Murder In Moscow: DNA, Cell Data & a Crumbling Defense

0:00This is Steve Covino from Covino and Rich. Quick trivia fellas, every guy listening is contestant. Answer honestly to yourself. You got a belly in a little chest, gassed by the afternoon, no drive left in the tank, you lack that confidence and mental edge. Those are classic signs that your testosterone's been sliding. And nothing drags it down faster than extra weight. So why not take matters into your own hands? Shrip off the weight that tanks your testosterone with Bioma, GLP1 booster. Every serving is packed with science-packed ingredients that crank up your natural GLP1 production. Visit bioma.health slash GLP1 and use code CR Show for 15% off your first order. What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. As we're all aware, the police have rated Brian Coburger's apartment, and they took a bunch of items from that apartment. However, according to several experts, the whole that they took from his apartment wasn't that big. And they were expecting, meaning these experts,

1:02Jennifer Cofin Daffer particularly, was expecting there to be more taken from Brian Coburger's apartment. Now I've said from the very beginning that I don't expect them to ever recover any of that evidence. Not the knife, not the clothes he was wearing, and not the shoes that allegedly left a latent print at the scene of the crime. And furthermore with those shoes, we're talking about vans here folks. Is there a college kid in the whole entire country who doesn't have a pair of vans? And we already know that the roommates wore vans as well. So I don't know how strong of evidence this latent footprint would even be. Considering it could have been insert person here, right? What the alleged killer is the only person who's wearing vans. But the fact that they didn't find the shoes does not shock me at all. In fact, I'll take it a step further. I don't think anything they took from that house is going to come back with any kind of evidence really.

2:03I highly doubt that those stains on the pillows and the blanket were blood. I think that Brian Coburger's big issue is going to be that vehicle. He got in that vehicle directly after those murders allegedly. And if he did that, then there has to be DNA all over that vehicle. You can't clean it good enough to get that DNA off of it. Even if he was wearing like a tie-back suit and took all of the precautionary measures that you need to take, they're still going to be at the very least trace amounts of DNA that you're dragging into that car. So it's my opinion that the evidence that they're going to get from that car is going to be the strongest evidence they get as far as DNA from a search warrant. Because I don't think they're going to get much from his house as far as evidence wise, we saw what they took. There was no knife there, no weapon, no shoes, no clothes really. So what did they really get from that apartment? Well, we don't know.

3:04Maybe a treasure trove as far as digital evidence, but I'm guessing, and remember folks, this is just my guess that those tests are going to come back. And I don't think it's going to be that home run proof that everybody's looking for. However, I do believe that that car will be that home run evidence. So let's get to this article from Newsweek and let's see what's going on. Headline, Clue and Idaho Murder Case leaves question about Brian Coburger evidence. This article was authored by Matthew Impelli. One aspect of the Idaho Murder's case has left questions surrounding the evidence recovered from suspect Brian Coburger's apartment near Washington State University. In the probable cause affidavit, used in the arrest of Coburger, who was currently charged with four counts of first degree murder and one count of felony burglary, investigators stated that during the processing of the crime scene, investigators found a latent shoe print

4:06and sounds damning, right? Until we realized that the whole entire scene was basically contaminated. So that's something we have to keep in mind as well. I know that we've forgotten about that part, but when the police showed up there, that there was a house full of people and who knows what they were traipsing through in that house. And if you're a defense attorney, you can have a field day with that. And my guess is that's going to be one of their strategies that the crime scene wasn't secured properly, that there was hours and hours that went by after these murders before the cops or forensics were there. It could have been anybody. And the crime scene was contaminated. Wait and see, that's going to be a line of argument from the defense. And honestly, it should be. According to the affidavit, the shoe print found had a diamond-shaped pattern similar to a van-style shoe. The print was detected by using a presumptive blood test and then a amino black, a protein stain

5:07that detects the presence of cellular material. The affidavit said, despite the discovery of a shoe print at the crime scene, the unsealed search warrant of co-burgers apartment did not say that investigators recovered a shoe that matched the description of the print. Now, let's not act like he had a bunch of plutonium that he had to get rid of. It's not very difficult to get rid of a pair of shoes. Quick fire, throw them in there and you're done with it. The knife is a little bit more difficult because you're not going to be able to burn that down. You got to look for a body of water. Some place where nobody's ever going to find that but your clothes, your shoes, all of that stuff. All you have to do is have a burn pit, get yourself a nice little burn pit going and the rest is history. And that's my working hypothesis that Brian Coburger, when he went through that Lewis and Clark Valley, if Brian Coburger is the man they told us he was, I think that detour was specifically taken

6:07to burn up this evidence and get rid of that knife. In the early morning hours of November 13th, four University of Idaho students, Kayleigh Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, and Zana Kernotl, were stabbed to death in an off-campus residence in Moscow, Idaho. Coburger, 28, was arrested on December 30th at his parents' residence in all Brightesville, Pennsylvania, in connection to the brutal slangs. Coburger was a PhD student at Washington State University, studying criminology with his former attorney in Pennsylvania, saying that his client was eager to be exonerated. Shortly after the probable cause of a David was released, Michael Ruiz, a reporter for Fox News Digital, wrote on Twitter that some social media users have pointed out that the van's type shoe in question is popular and was previously seen in the home where the murders were committed on police body cam footage of past noise complaints.

7:09And this is what I mentioned earlier, I'm legitimately wearing a pair of vans right now. This is Steve Covino from Covino and Rich. All right, quick round of trivia before we get back into the show. But we're doing it differently this time. Every guy listening right now, you're contestant. No buzzers, no calling in. Just answer honestly to yourself. Here we go. You got a belly and a little chest that won't go away no matter what you try. Gassed by the middle of the afternoon, no drive left in the tank. And lastly, you lack that confidence in mental edge. Fellowes, here's the thing. Those are classic signs that your testosterone's been sliding. And nothing drags it down faster than extra weight. The good news, emerging research suggests that getting rid of it may actually be more effective than TRT. So why not take matters into your own hands? Strip off the weight that tanks your testosterone with Bioma GLP1 booster. Every serving is packed with science back and third party tested ingredients that crank up your natural GLP1 production. So you can enjoy a leaner physique, surging energy,

8:09and increased drive. Visit bioma.health slash GLP1 and use code CR Show to get 15% off your first order. That's bioma.health slash GLP1 code CR Show for 15% off. It is a very common shoe, especially amongst college kids. So I don't know how strong this evidence is going to be for the prosecution. The defense can easily challenge it by pointing to that body cam footage and saying, look, you can see for yourself that people in this house were wearing those vans. Now, obviously you can look at the shoe size and see what's what. But still, that doesn't account for anybody else who might have been at the house. Remember, the crime scene wasn't secured for hours and hours and hours. So that's going to be a point of contention. Come trial time, wait and see. Vans are a common sneaker. And as readers have pointed out, they've been worn inside the Idaho students house before that said, we don't know yet what size print police found or what

9:12they recovered after co-burgers arrest. Ruiz tweeted early last month, I will say this. We don't know what was recovered from Brian co-burgers' parents house. Maybe he had the vans there. That would be a dumbass move. But so is using your own car to commit these crimes. While speaking with Newsweek on Friday, former FBI agent Jennifer Coffin-Daffer, who was not involved in the case, said that the return from the search warrant of co-burgers' apartment was weak. I think that's why we don't see it on the search warrant return. Coffin-Daffer told Newsweek because he likely had it with him. The shoes could have been terribly stained with blood. In other words, he might have, very possibly, gotten rid of it with the rest of the clothing he wore, the knife, the mask. That's what a prudent criminal would do. Yeah, no shit. And what else would he be going to the Lewis and Clark Valley for at that time of night or in the morning, I should say, certainly not for a hike. He wasn't going out there for a little joyous walk in the woods.

10:13So there had to be a reason he took that route. And for me, the only logical explanation is that he was doing that to get rid of that evidence in a place where he knew nobody was going to be hanging out. Meanwhile, investigators have also been unable to recover the knife that was believed to be used in the crime from co-burgers' apartment. Despite the lack of the shoe that matches the description and the probable cause of it, Coffin-Daffer added that prosecutors will still be able to build a case against co-burger using other evidence such as DNA, digital forensics, and cellular information. I think they're fine without it. Would they love to have it? Absolutely. But it's not going to break their case, she said, no, I don't think it will either. But you want to have all of that evidence. She's not wrong. You want to have the murder weapon. If you can have some shoes that the print came from, the latent shoe print, you want to have that as well. And without it, certainly a more difficult task for the prosecutors.

11:14But we don't know. I know I keep saying this, but we don't know what they have behind the scenes. And if history is a guide, the probable cause affidavit was just the tip of the iceberg. And then my experience covering these kinds of cases, there's usually a whole lot more lurking right below the surface. And we're going to see all of it come trial time, obviously. But for now, I would expect both sides to continue to play things close to the vest. We've already heard from Brian Coberger's team that as of now, they don't have any evidence that they're going to provide, that supports the claim of Brian Coberger being innocent. But I think that's a lot of cat and mouse as well. So you're going to see it from both sides. The question is, when the rubber meets the road, is the evidence going to stick? All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. This is Steve Covino from Covino and Rich. Quick trivia, fellas.

12:15Every guy listening's contestant. Answer honestly to yourself. You got a belly in a little chest, gassed by the afternoon, no drive left in the tank. You lack that confidence and mental edge. Those are classic signs that your testosterone's been sliding. And nothing drags it down faster than extra weight. So why not take matters into your own hands? Shrip off the weight that tanks your testosterone with Bioma, GLP1 booster. Every serving is packed with science, packed ingredients that crank up your natural GLP1 production. Visit bioma.health slash GLP1 and use code CRShow for 15% off your first order.