MLB Division Series, Clone Calls

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1:01And I'm not gonna paint all of you with one broad stroke. I never, ever, ever, ever do that. But let me address one Cleveland fan, and one reaction I got on chat. This is from Ad Zay from Cleveland. Quote. I'm just saying, Jim, when Dishon had a bad game, you killed my man. He's three in one. You look great last night. Give Munkin credit for rolling with Dishon. That was a bold move, man. Damn, Zay, where do I even start? Quote. I'm just saying, Jim, when Dishon had a bad game, you killed my man. Bro, here's my opinion. He didn't have a bad game. He had lots of bad games. Really bad games. And that's when he was available. He was unavailable for a lot of games. He got hurt. He was a bad dude, a bad dude, who had a lot of bad games.

2:05And was hurt badly and unavailable for a long time. And then, and he had a bad preseason, and he got booting preseason. Zay, how soon you forget how much Cleveland fan hated this guy. Boot him in the preseason to the point that he got in front of the media and essentially told all of you to go to hell. Why are you booing me? You don't know how hard I've worked. He basically said, bleep you. And that didn't bother you. At that point in time, I'm like, there's no way this will ever work. He essentially told the entire fan base, go to hell, bleep you. And yet, the Munkin, incredibly, named him the starter, the very next day. You forgot that all happens, eh? But you want me to sit here and act like this is Josh Allen. He's three and one. He looked great last night. Give the Munkin credit. Bro, not always it not just me.

3:07Not only did ownership make the worst trade ever. You gave up all those number ones. You guaranteed all that money to this guy. Even though you saw his act off the field, did nothing for you when he was on the field, and was mostly off the field because he got hurt. Have you already forgotten that your ownership owned what a mistake it was? Let me read you a quote because you clearly forgot this, Zay. Jimmy Haslam, 2025. Quote, we took a big swing and miss with Dishon. We thought we had the quarterback. We didn't. And we gave up a lot of draft picks to get him. So we've got to dig ourselves out of the hole. It was an entire organization decision. And it ends with D and I. So hold us accountable. End to quote, Zay, your own owner finally admitted.

4:09It was a huge swing and a miss. With your guy who you seem to think is Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Troy Ackman all rolled into one. And by the way, dude, what do you want from me? How did I open that show by giving him credit? By giving the monkey and credit? By giving the team credit? By telling the fans you should enjoy that. That was a great night. Now, how do you want from me? You expect me to say you're three and one. We're going to need to see more, but I gave you credit for that start. Yeah, I've been harsh and understandably so and rightfully so. The guys ping garbage. Let me tell you something again, Zay. You quote, your man. Give my man some credit. He got blown out in the opener. They got blown out in the opener. This dude was one game away from maybe never seeing the light of day again.

5:15He did nothing in the opener to get credit. And then you won, then you won, then you won. And I rolled out here on a Friday when you're three and one, and I give quote, your dude credit. And I gave the monkey and credit. And I gave the defense credit. And I took a run at Pittsburgh. What do you want from me? You want me to sit here and say this guy's Josh Allen? Come on. You got as much credit as you deserve for a three and one team that beat a Stewart team that's got this weird marriage between a fat guy and an old guy. By the way, by the way, by the way, you're getting more credit than you deserve. But it shows how much I like Cleveland and I want you to be happy. I'm not here to hate. I'm here to be real. The hell more credit do you want? You're getting as much as you deserve if not more. Man, stop acting like you just won the division.

6:15Stop acting like you just want to play off game. Stop acting like you won the damn Super Bowl. Stop acting like I owe you an apology. I don't. I gave you credit. I spent 25 minutes off the top of this freaking show giving you credit. What do you want? A Lombardi Award? You didn't earn it yet. Man, I'm telling you. 1-800-636-86-86-86. Cleveland. Cleveland. I'm one of the only ones outside of Cleveland on your side. I'm one of the only ones on Cleveland. Did you not see all the heat that prime video took last night for the way they handled or didn't handle the Sean? I'm actually one of the most objective, fair-minded people.

7:17Not looking for a hot take. I'm just being real in authentic. Wait, I'm not giving you enough credit. I'm the only one outside of Cleveland giving you credit. What are we doing here? King Shark 49. The Sean Watson may not be the best human being on the planet, but last night he made plays. Enough plays to beat Rogers. Call it an inconvenient truth, but it's still a fact. And what? And what? You mean what I said in the open? And what? Do I owe you something too? King Shark 49? I said as much. The hell you all hear what you want to hear. It's just a fact, Jim. Yeah, I know. A fact that I stated myself. Do any of you have ears or you all in MMA and you all have cauliflower ears and you can't hear a damn thing? Have all of your ears been rubbed up against that mat for the last 25 years and they're all swollen shut? Do you hear anything I say?

8:19I said it. Dude, I said it. I'm not particularly fond of the creep. I made that pretty clear, but I got to give him credit. He had his best first half since he's been a brown. Said that. Didn't do anything in the next couple of quarters, but when he had to make plays, he made plays and he's done a three games in a row. Said that. The hell do you want me to say? These are the best quarter back in the NFL. These are the best guy in the NFL that they just won the Lombardi. None of those things are true. So I'm not saying any of those things. Jamie and Green Bay. I can't wait to see the steakhouse restaurant that Mike McCarthy shows up that he built in Minecraft 12 or 12 years from now. Sorry, Jamie. Good point. Sorry, that didn't read it well. This is Chris W. Heard. Former Brown die hard.

9:20Bailed when they brought the creep to town and now actively hate watch. As painful as this month has been, 25 years of a trend don't just disappear after a few close games. Mediocrity will persevere in Cleveland. You know, there's something to that too. But notice I didn't say that. Notice I didn't come out and say, hey man, Browns is still the Browns. They're kind of Browns. Here it comes. Wait for it. I could have done that. I didn't say I didn't see town fan. I didn't do any of that. I did not say, hey, remember back in 1995 when they started three and one and Modell bruised his scrotum and then moved them under cover and I didn't do that. I gave you credit. I said, damn Browns fans. That looked like that was fun last night. There was energy back in that house and I know how much you hate Pittsburgh.

10:22I know how good that must have felt. But still not good enough. I even acknowledged it might keep going. Look at the schedule. They could be five and two. By the time they played Pittsburgh again, this might actually be sustainable. I said positive things. I gave you credit. Don't you run up on me with told you so. Told me what? Told me what? Like you knew like this is a team that is in the same class as the bills. No, it's not. That this team should be mentioned in the same sentences that chiefs. No, they shouldn't. That this team is better than the Jags. No, they're not. They're three and one. They're finding ways to get it done. That's a big ass win in prime time over a hated rival.

11:22You're on top. And the creep is making plays and the monkey. Change the vibe. Defense looking good without carrot and without gym shorts. Yeah, I'm fired up. How is it that I'm not giving you enough credit? Come on. Cleveland. Again, I'm the only one outside of Cleveland giving you this much credit. And believe me, I'm the only one outside of Cleveland, Cleveland fan. That's as happy for you as I am. But I do find it curious that this same dude told all of you, bleep off. And you've already forgotten. Winning will do that, right? Winning will do that. Greg and Green Bay. Rome, you have to like the direction the browns are going in. They are winning games and their coach is a content machine. The monkey is fearless, heartless and chinless. Three qualities that will get them to at least a 500 record.

12:25Fair. Fair. Jamie and Green Bay back. I'm just saying, Jim, when Dishon had a bad massage, you killed my man signed Z. 1-800-636-86-86. Get up in here. Hit me up. Man, I'm telling you I could not have been more complimentary and still not good enough for some of you browns fans. Hey, Rome, any chance I can get an invite to the Todd Munkin lunch in. I'd suggest you schedule it soon before the inevitable collapse. Scott in South Carolina. Inevitable. This is kind of my point. It would have been very easy for me to come in here and say that. And then you all would have been like, Hey, there, Hey, there, Hey, there. I didn't do that. Munkie, Munkie, Munkie, Munkie. Believe me, C-town fan.

13:27Z. At Al. There are lots of people all over the rest of the country who are saying that. Settle down, Cleveland fan. You're gonna fall apart like you always do. I didn't say that because I'm different. I'm better in that sense. I'm objective. I'm fair. I have an open mind. But, but there's certain things that I'm pretty pragmatic about and pretty dogmatic about. And I'm not gonna act. Look, you know what I'm not gonna do? I'm not gonna sit here and say the creep, man. Given what he went through, what did he go through? What did the creep endure? He was accused of sexual misconduct by more than two dozen women. What did he go through? It's what they went through. What he went through is to position himself in with the choices he made and the actions he took.

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16:32Welcome back Jim Roam and Southern California. Good to be with you. And as I mentioned, good to have most of you, but not all of you. But really glad to talk baseball and really glad to talk baseball with this guy. We are joined right now by a world series champion. A six time all star. He won the 2007 MLB Reliever the Year award. He played 12 years in the Biggs for the Red Sox to fill his in the nationals. He currently serves as a Red Sox analyst for Nessons, Evie and New England. He is co-host of Fowl Territory, which is a daily digital baseball show. We have episode streaming weekdays at 1 p.m. Eastern. I'm talking about Jonathan Pappelbaum. Jonathan, good to have you on, dude. How you doing? What's up, Jim? How's it going, man? Good. Good. Good to see you, man. Thanks so much for doing this. Great to have you. Hey, let me start right in the NL. The Braves needed three games to finish Philadelphia off last night. They had three bombs to advance to the NLDS. Let me ask you this. With Atlanta having such a quick turnaround for game 1 against L.A. tomorrow, how do you think they match up with the two-time defending champs?

17:34Well, it's tough to match up against the Dodgers in any case in any scenario, Jim. I mean, they're defending champs. And they seem to always, every year, be getting healthy at the right time when it matters most. And that's when the postseason starts. And that's what they're doing. And they're going to set out a lineup up in a pitch of staff that has a load of veterans and a lot of younger guys, a lot of rookies and role players. And they all mesh well together. When we won the World Series in 2007, that was the complete identity of our team. And we had a great leadership, quality and current shielding, David Ortiz. We had younger players like myself, Elves Berry, Dustin Padroya. And we all meshed well together. And I believe that that was the big reason why we were able to go out there and win.

18:35And that reminds me of the Dodgers. But I tell you what, from what I saw from the Braves last night, pretty impressive. Now, Chris Stale is going to obviously get pushed back. He's not going to be able to be a game 1 starter. But I really look at this series and I see them really matching up pretty evenly. You know, the Braves are a really good team and they'd be a really good team in the Philadelphia Phillies. And, you know, the Phillies, my former team, they've got a lot of questions. They've got a lot of questions that needed to be answered because their window is now with Bryce Harper, Kyle Schwarber, and they just seemed to fail in their window. And now, here's another thing you got to think of, Jim. The Los Angeles Dodgers have been sitting for five days now. In the game of baseball, that's not a good thing.

19:37So they might start off with a little slow foot here, in my opinion. And the Braves might still have a couple games early on in the series. But I'm looking for this series to go for all five games for sure. Jonathan, there's so much good stuff done packing what you just said. I feel like the five days, I agree with you. It feels like 15 days for one thing. And you mentioned the window. I was going to say Philadelphia, I feel like that window may have already slammed shut. Maybe not slammed shut, but it's closing, right dude? It's closing. Let me ask you this. There was a report this morning, Jonathan, that Don Mattingly, despite taking over that job when they were 10 games under 500 and leading them to a 79 and 55 mark that he's not going to be brought back. What is your reaction to that report? Do you think that he's done enough to get that job full time, or should they go after somebody else? Well, you look at it, you know, and a manager at the big leagues, you're hired to be fired. Just like an NFL coach, just like any sport, you're hired to be fired

20:41if you're a manager or a coach. Number one, number two, they're going to weigh their options, man, that's what they're going to do because they're going to have options. You look at my old former teammate, Alex Korra. He's going to probably be back and putting his name out there to be a manager again this year and bring back his staff with Jason Veritek, another former teammate of mine. And you just never know, Dave Dombraski is going to pick the best coach he thinks is available. And you know, Alex Korra and Dave Dombraski have had a World Series championship together and are very, very tight. So, look, I think, I think Don Manley made a mistake last night in starting Air Nola. Should've started Wheeler, in my opinion, he should've started him. He's your horse. He's the guy that you've been going to all year long.

21:41Let Air Nola be the long guy. Start, get the game started off on a good foot because Air Nola wasn't able to go out there and command the strike zone and fell behind a lot of hitters and the Braze hitters took advantage. By the way, that could cost him. I mean, you don't want to say that one game could cost you, but if it's that game and that decision, that could cost you. And John, the teeter point, man, I love Alex Korra. I'm an enormous Alex Korra dude. I love the guy. Love the guy. I love him as a player. I love him as a manager. And if I'm filled off, and I'm looking at Alex Korra's out there and he wants that job, he'd take that job, you got to hire that guy. You mentioned that championship team and that clubhouse, the guys that you mentioned in that clubhouse, Jonathan, like obviously there's great chemistry and there's great leadership. Who ran that clubhouse? Who's clubhouse was that when you guys won it all? Because those are some enormous personalities. Yeah, we had enormous personalities. David Ortiz, usually babysat many Ramirez and Kurt Schilling ran the pitch and staff.

22:42And most of the pitchers, Jason Veriteck, was the guy that ran the lineup and commanded the pitch and staff every day and did our scouting reports. And you had to have good chemistry. And you know, look at the fillies and you asked themselves, like, the way they were kind of playing when they were down, they just didn't fight and scratch and claw back like you would expect to play off team to do. And you got to ask yourself, what kind of chemistry did they have in that clubhouse? And you know, it basically boils down to this. When you have good chemistry, you can win games because you're going out there and you're protecting each other. When you don't have good chemistry, you're not protecting each other as players. You're not going out there playing for each other. So you lose games a whole lot more. But it just didn't seem like the fillies had a good chemistry going on. Right. Hey, look, if you're playing for yourself,

23:43it would stand a reason you're going to lose a lot more games than you ordinarily might. The one guy you mentioned before, but not that time, how about my guy Dustin Petroia? How did he fit into all that? Like if, if Jason Veriteck ran that and she'll ran the staff and Big Poppy handled Manram, like where did Dustin Petroia fit in in terms of leadership? Well, he was the guy that was getting pumped up for everybody every day, making sure everybody was ready. This guy would go and look at you in your face and he'd say, you're not ready. You're not ready. Or he'd say, you're ready to go. Let's go, Pat. And he just would get in your face. I mean, he's five foot four on a good day. And, you know, this kid would just really get the team amped up every day for 162 games plus playoffs. And he's got three world series to show for it. And the man is an all-time competitor. And I assume we'll see him back in the game sometime soon when his kids are getting out of school here shortly.

24:46I think I've been trying to run him down. He's one of my favorites, but I think part of the reason I'm able to find him is he's about family, man. He's about family. He gave so much to the game. He's with his kids. To me, he's the ultimate. I can't use the word, but you know the phrase. He's the ultimate D in the dirt, man. This dude is the best. Yeah. I love, I love, Padroya. Man Ram is one of my favorite human beings ever. Dude, if Mani Ramirez is one of my favorite players ever, can you share your best PG Mani Ramirez story? I mean, where do you even start with Man Ram? He was so awesome and so funny and so weird and so everything. Man, like what was Man Ramirez? Yeah, my best story is, is he used to come back in the dugout a lot. And if he struck out on one pitch, he'd always say, if that pitcher throws me that pitch again on the take of deep. And in the ALDS, K-Rod was on the mound, great closer. And he struck him out the first that bat with a curve ball.

25:46And then the very end of the game to win it. He takes some deep because he threw that pitch again to him. He made the mistake. And he used to call his shot all the time. He would say, I'm going deep, sure enough, get up to the plate, go deep. And that was the most amazing thing to me. To me, Man Ramirez is the greatest right handed hitter of all time. I mean, Jonathan, he like, you look at Mani. You know, like, dude, this is no rocket scientist. But in reality, he was kind of a genius, right? Yes. Yes. This guy, let me tell you something, he studied pitchers more than the, anybody would ever realize. And the guys work at the, let me tell you about this guy's work ethic. This guy worked, there we go. That's what I was talking about. Bam. Great. Bam. Over the coat models. On to the mass avenue. So let me tell you something. This guy's work ethic was bar none.

26:48Nobody worked harder than this guy, really and truthfully. Now, he wanted to come across like, you know, I'm happy, go lucky. I'm just another one of the idiots in the club. I just ran into one lucky, right? I just ran into one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But this guy really studied and really worked hitters. And had a tremendous talent to go along with it. Jonathan, pal, I'm joining us, breaking it all down. This is so great. Jonathan, you played in two of the toughest towns ever. New England or Boston and Philadelphia. Two totally different towns. Which one, and of course you won your ring, where you won your ring. But which one was tougher? Which one was tougher on its athlete? Which one on its upper media? I mean, dude, you're a tough guy and you never back down anyway. But, man, those are two towns to play some ball with. It's tough. Yeah, I'll tell you what, Jim. I got to go with Philadelphia, man, because I had, this was in 2013. I had 27 saves in a row.

27:48And I blew one, my first one. And it wasn't until like after the off star break. And the entire stadium booted me off the field. So, you know, I grabbed myself, I gave the fans a little gesture, grabbed myself and Joe West ended up kicking me out of the game. It was a big spectacle. Yeah, they were pretty tough on me, man. But, and then another thing is, is the guy came on the field straight into the bullpen, wanted to fight me, jumped into the bullpen, and had to put him in an ad lock. And then security came. So, yeah, the Philly fans are a little bit tougher than the Red Sox fans. I will say that. That is wild. That is wild. But then again, they did boom, Mike Schmidt. And of course, Jonathan, as you know, they were just trying to make him a quarter better player. Maybe they were trying to make you a better reliever because you only saved 27 straight games. Maybe that guy wanted to fight you, only wanted to make you a better reliever.

28:49I mean, that is wild, wild, wild, wild. You before you go, because I know we have a lot of viewers and listeners that are in Wisconsin, and they're Milwaukee, and they want to know about the Brewers. Best record in baseball. Now they've got deal with the hottest team in baseball in San Diego, who's won 20 of 26. Considering San Diego took four out of six from Milwaukee during the regular season, do you give them any kind of shot at beating the top seed? Yeah, I do. And, you know, for me, you know, Pat Murphy is a great coach. And he gets his players to play for him. And that's the sign of a great manager. But I just look at the Padres. They match up better against the Brewers than any other team I believe. And my bracket, I've got the Padres beating the Dodgers in the NLCS.

29:49Yes, I've got them beating Dodgers. They are just getting hot at the right time. And man, you know, playoffs, that's what it's all about, getting hot at the right time. And man, the Machado is going to lead them for Nando Tatees is going to lead them. And they got a great squad. And they got to stay healthy, obviously. And that's a big key. But to me, they're hot. They're the hottest team right now. And I see them being the Brewers. I'm not pushing back on you because sometimes it is the hottest team, not the best team. Sometimes the hottest team is the best team. But if you get hot at the right time, and nobody's hotter than the Padres, Manny is swinging it. Tatees has been incredible for the last few months. And I'm just kind of chuckling because I grew up in L.A. I worked in San Diego. I live right between the two. I know that rivalry. It's a great, underrated rivalry. It's like, I'm not saying that it's Red Sox and Yankees. But man, San Diego hates L.A. Well, everybody hates L.A. But the Padres really hate L.A. So that would be great. Great rivalry. San Diego is a great city man.

30:49Nice to love going to San Diego, gas lamp district, and all, man, great town. Breach. Breach. And that joint pebble. And that ballpark is popping right now, isn't it? It is. It is. Electric. And it's a hard place to play right now. I mean, and their fans have given them a home-filled advantage, which they used to not have. When I was playing Peck Co. It's not a home-filled advantage. And now it is. And to me, that's a big key. When you go into these playoffs, you've got to win at home. You're games at home. You've got to win. That's how you keep going on to the next round. But man, yeah, man, my red socks, they, they sucked ass, man. And there's no other way to put it. I didn't see them. I didn't really see them getting past the Yankees very easily, but I didn't see them getting their butts whipped away. They got their butts whipped. My man, I give you so much credit for saying that. So leave me on this note.

31:49They got, you're right. They sucked ass. You can say that on this show. It's one thing to lose. It's another to lose the way they did. And then what about the major talking point again? Did Sonny Gray get the hook too soon? And was that totally mishandled? Yes, he did. He got the hook too soon. He's the best, he is the best pitcher in the big leagues. The third time around the order in the lineup. Yes. And so you've got to let him, your backster gets the wall. He's one of your studs. He's one of your horses. He should have been an all star this year. So to me, you've got to let him go. Peyton totally did a good job as well, but the bullpen ended up caving in, and they ran into a hot hitter and been rice. And I mean, look, if the Yankees get back, judge, which I'm not sure they've made a call on quite yet. I think they're going to make that today.

32:49Do you know if they've made that call yet? I don't think they have yet. I don't think they have yet. There's a whole whole lot of drama. How weird is that whole thing with Aaron Boone saying, hey, man, it's a moderate cap spring, spring and judge going out of his way to say, oh, so it's moderate. Like, what the hell are these two guys doing? That's kind of weird. That's New York for you, baby. That's New York for you. That's Boone in New York for you, man. That's the Salah goes. Kind of reminds me to Roman Anthony in his hand all year. Nobody really knew what was wrong with his hand. He gets pulled out of the game the other night. You know, it's really nobody knew all year long what was going on. He saw every specialist they could all year long. Truthfully, honestly, he was not healthy enough to come back and play in the postseason of my video. He says, okay, it's your point. The guy wanted to be out there. He probably heard everybody saying, why are you not out there? Then he comes back and he's not right. So, do you think he did the right thing or did he hurt them by coming back? No, he hurt them by coming back, Jim.

33:49Yeah. When you're a player, you know what your capabilities are, right? And the worst part about it is, is he's a young kid playing in a big city and sometimes the pressure of getting back on the field is too much. That's what I'm saying. And it was for him. And so he says, you know what? Like, I'm good to go just because he's hitting balls off a team, hitting live batting practice. Well, that's not big league pitching. When you face big league pitching, your check swings are harder, your swings are harder, there's a adrenaline flowing, there's so many extra things that are going on. So he really wasn't ready to play. And you put the team, you could use that spot for somebody else. And he put the team in a position that they didn't need to be. You know what's your point? To your point, he said that. He said, I jacked it up again on a check swing. So like who then who makes the call? Do you do need to have management protect the young player from himself?

34:49Or do you assume that, well, that guy knows his body better than anybody else? He's going to make that call. Who makes that call? Well, I'll tell you who makes that call is Craig Brezler. Yeah. Craig Brezler, the GPM makes that call, right? And don't, don't get me wrong with any of this Chad Tracy interim manager this year. By far, Brezler made every decision and gave Chad Tracy the red light or the green light on every decision made. Since he became manager, and that was one of the big reasons why he got hired to be his manager. Because Craig Brezler knew I can make these shots and call these shots because he, he, he, Craig Brezler wants to make those calls because that's the whole reason why fired out of Scoro. Okay. Outscoro was pushing back on Brezler with some of the decisions he was making and outscoro said, well, if you don't like it, you're going to have to fire me. Well, that's exactly what happened. So. Bro, so this is why you're so good at what you do.

35:53Now normally I'll say, hey, hey, guest, you have a platform. How are you approaching your content? Everybody has content. Now, see you and AJ, you guys do what you do because you guys are so different. It's like, I don't want to make any of this about me, but when I came up, I did what I did because I was different. You guys are so good because you do things like this. Leave me with this touch on. Then how much fun are you and AJ having? AJ's co-founder of Fowl Territory. Adam on recently, you guys doing the digital show. How much fun are you having, chopping it up with him, and especially during the postseason, whether it's so many games every single day? Yeah, man, we have a blast. Fowl Territory is taking off. Man, it's a great show. We love doing it. And, you know, me and AJ, we go way back. Capita gets each other for the last, you know, the entire 13 years of my career, I face him. So, for me, I love the fact that it's all form of players don't foul Territory, man. That's what I really love.

36:54We bet on games. We take games and we have fun with it. And we also have the ability to kind of know where managers are coming from. General managers are coming from. Players are coming from because we've been there, done that before. You know, that's what makes it great. So, when you went up against AJ back in the day, when you guys were competitors, did you always have that mutual respect? And you liked that dude or did you want to knock him out? No, AJ didn't want none of me. AJ didn't want none of me, man. AJ, I don't think AJ got a hit off of me. So, only people like that, he hits off of me on his team with Draman die. Draman die was the only dude who could hit you. Yeah, that's it. Why? Not the white socks. Why, why, why, why, why could you not figure him out? I couldn't figure him out because every time I threw my split, he hit a D. I don't know, Draman. So, bro, sorry, well, you two just kept throwing it to him, right? Like, I'm gonna get him, man. He, I'm just gonna keep throwing it to him. Oh, yeah. All right? Oh, yeah.

37:54The ego got in the way big times, Draman. Jonathan Palfa, one of joining us, dude, you're the best. That was an awesome idea. I never, ever, ever on this show keep people that long. So, sorry for that, but you were that good, dude. I appreciate you, man. That was so much fun. No worries, man. I enjoyed it. I can post season till you, brother. You got it, you two, dude. You two. And they have a great show. Falt territory. Make sure you check it out. He's a co-host. Jonathan Palfa, bond coming up huge. Happy post season to you, brother. Hey, chat. I'm sorry. Brother. I'm sorry for absolutely nothing for talking all that baseball. That was a great guest. Falt territory. That's a good platform now because you get guys like that in AJ. They're just going to let it rip. I even have no problem with Jonathan standing me at the very end. You know, you know what's good about us? We talk to only guys who played the game. And not guys like you, Rome. Just guys who played the game. GMs and players. And we get there inside. And we even bet on the games.

38:55And he kept it real. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, didn't want a part of me. He said, no, those guys could hit me except for Germaine die. Germaine die could swing it. Good hitter. All right. I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did. That was a blast. My thanks to Jonathan, Paupo Bon. Nord VPN. Now comes with a next gen anti-virus. Can you dig it? Stop digital threats. Before they reach your device with proactive protection, the works in the background. Avoid online scams. Beat fishing attacks. And block intrusive ads. Nord VPN will warn you about malicious websites. And remove infected files before you download them. Nord VPN's next gen anti-virus is a security tool for your digital life. Go big on your online protection. Visit nordvpn.com and get Nord VPN with a next gen anti-virus. Nord VPN.

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40:56And get a $1 trial. Shopify.com slash listen. Alright so let's give me a short segment because the interview was so long and the interview was so long. Because the interview was so awesome. I'm going to say something incredible about Jonathan Paupel-Bahn. I've never spoken to him before that. And he shows up like that. That was an incredible conversation. Man that was awesome. I'm so happy with that. So my thanks to him for showing up the way he did. And staying as long as he did. I want you to react into it. Like I know you had an opinion of him before that interview. Has your opinion of him changed? And either way whether it has or hasn't, there is no denying he kicked ass in that interview. That was a great interview. ATP on a Friday. It's time to ask the pros. You get to ask me or anybody else on the crew a question. It's always sponsored by O'Reilly Auto Parts. Post your question at Jim Rome. Use the hashtag hashtag hashtag hashtag pros on ex. Listen later on. And one of us will answer one or more of your questions.

41:56Think O'Reilly Auto Parts. Follow up your car care needs. Get the parts and service you need fast from the professional parts people at O'Reilly Auto Parts. All right. Let's go to the phones quickly. Marshall in Orlando. Good to have you on. Marshall, what's up? Yeah, dude. I'm a transplant from LA. So just a Dodgers fan grew up. It's just hating everything red socks. I'm like, now Paupel-Bahn's on. I hate that guy. Dude, like after that interview, I think you need to start doing an after hour segment with Paupel-Bahn. Like daily. I mean, I don't know. Usually when you say we don't know these guys, it's because we think they're great and they're really D-bags. But in this case, I'm like, oh, this guy's a D-bag and dude, after 20 minutes of you spending time with him, what a great guy. What a great interview props out. All right. Marshall, I appreciate that. See, the thing is, I disagree with one part of that. I know your point about I grew up in LA. I hate all things red socks. I hated that guy.

42:56But then I heard the interview. Now I love that guy. And I want you to put them on every single day. And this is the part I disagree with. Hey, Romeo, you know how you always say we don't know any of these guys? Quite contrary. I think he showed up exactly the way that I would expect him to show up or the way he is. He still sounded like he played. That sounded like an interview. I mean, it was more expansive and more elaborate. But it sounded to me like he still played the game. Like, nah, they don't want any part of me. He did not say he sounded exactly the way I would expect. Like, I'm not backing down. I'm not taking any bleep from anybody at all. I'm not hard to find. You know where to find me. And when he said, man, I just could not get Germaine die out. I kept throwing him that split and he kept hitting it over the fence. I'm like, why, man? Were you just stubborn? He's like, yes. Yes. It was pride. It was ego. I kept throwing him the same pitch and he kept depositing it into the seats.

43:58No, I thought John to Pappelbaum was incredible. Much like his co-host, AJ Prasinski showed up. I talked AJ in years. And I'll be honest with you. I don't wonder if AJ and I went sideways somehow because we just haven't talked in years. And then AJ shows up like we've been talking the whole time. And he was incredible. That's why we're talking baseball, chat. Which are two of the best interviews we've had in weeks. Stay tuned. Go, go! 20th century studios presents the most incredible survival story of the year. I think we'll help him! We'll fall on October 16th to survive the unthinkable, do the impossible. You're gonna become so dangerous that the predators can't help but let him go. We're gonna get out of here. We got a phone! We got a phone! We'll fall. We did PD 13 in theaters October 16th. Get tickets now.