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2:02We are not lawyers or legal experts. Somebody said, Melanie's not even ready. It's grace. I thought we was chilling this whole time. Uh, we are not lawyers or legal experts. But we have this podcast. We talk about legal things. Mm-hmm. And so that's what we're going to do today. What are we gonna talk about? I first want to talk about. I didn't ask you if you watched the video that I made. I made a video about a shooting at a mall. Did you watch it? I did not. Oh, look at you. Look at you. But I know about it. What you know, I told you about it already. You told me about it and I saw a couple of things on it. Not from me though. You saw from somebody else. Um, Instagram, I believe. It might have been your video. Hello. All right. Let me tell you guys. Uh, but it's the two guys. The two boys fighting right? Yes. Yeah. It was in Detroit. Mm-hmm. And what ended what happened? It was earlier this year. It was in July of this year, 2026.

3:06There were two guys. One named Cameron Watkins. And the other named Kionte Seaburn or Seaborn. I think they are at this mall. And they get into a fight with each other. Mm-hmm. Cameron ends up taking out a weapon. From the woman he's with. Uh, his pregnant girlfriend or pregnant person. Woman he's with. Takes a gun out of her purse. Shoot Kionte, Kionte dies. And then according to the reporting, Cameron begins shooting like, recklessly in the mall. And so, and so he ends up shooting another person. During the course of that, this other guy who by all accounts and from the reporting seems unconnected to the situation. Mm-hmm. But his name is Martinez Long. Martinez Long pulls out his gun and shoots and kills Cameron Watkins. So now, Cameron is dead, right? But Cameron is also the person who killed Kionte and Kionte is dead.

4:09And then a third person is also shot. They end up surviving. But that's kind of the destruction from the incident. After the incident, Martinez Long, right? The one who seems by all accounts not the innocent bystander. Yeah, he just pulled out his gun and shot the guy. Yeah. He gets charged for having for possession of a firearm. He is not licensed to carry because he's only 19. So he's not even of age. Okay. And then the girl who. And Kionte took the weapon out of her purse. She also gets charged. And so I was like, oh, that's kind of crazy, you know, because he saved lives, right? And so what was even crazier was the judges remarks to him during the sentencing. So I just want to play the remarks for the sake of the conversation. One. Yeah, okay.

5:10I want you to continue that. So you've got to think before you act. And you're 19. Lies are lost. Who gets gunned by. Fortunately, you weren't injured. But nonetheless, you had gun there in the first place. You just poor judge. Kind of why you need for protection. Well, it's gone in a mall. And then you're in the first place. But nonetheless, I think this agreement is in the best interest of justice. I go along with it. And the sense of court. Mr. Long has replaced out for base for three or three years. This is under high. The whole truth for training at. So if you do it successfully at the end of it, your record will be expunged. This gives you a clean flip. You only 19 years of age. More of your life ahead of you than behind. You know, this won't prevent you from.

6:12It's dancing as you move forward. It's also part of that kind of evaluation that you possess. No guns. And before ammunition or the components of a weapon. That you also undergo cognitive behavioral therapy. As a condition of your probation. Y'all suppose I have any contact with David Terry. How to directly or if you're a person. I'm not sure if you can click the handgun safety class. I'll talk about court. And I also get you. Okay. I would like. Please. One. One. Would I have shot. The gushing. I'm not sure. It would all depend on. What was happening who I was with.

7:13And if I had a straight way of getting out of it. Because as soon as I'm here and shot. I'm dropping it and I'm going to whatever. You know, I'm. Man. Even if you have a weapon. You know, I don't know that. I'm not looking to see who shoot. I hear shot. I'm dropping. I'm. I hear shot. If I see a door. I'm dropping and I'm going. The nine times out of 10. If I'm in the mall. I'm probably with you and the keys. So we're dropping. I'm over and over. And I'm looking. And that's when. She's about to go down. Because now I got my gun. And I play. He wrote. And this about how I get the user. I'm pulling it out. Back against wall. And then I'm observing what's happening. And if I see a guy shooting recklessly. Yes. I'm. Taken aim. And I'm shooting. Let's do. With no hesitation.

8:16This old man needs to shed the hell up. This judge needs to shed the hell up. Somebody. I'm going to be replayed. This is to this himself. Because. What do you mean. Stop. Think before you act. This boy. Is a hero. That dude could have shot and killed several more people easily. This dude. Reactive like this to keep him from shooting anybody else. And you're going to tell him. He had bad judgment. Why you got a gun in a mall. Why the. What a girl had a gun in a mall. That's why I got my gun. Yeah. Come on, man. Uh, he should have. Praise him. Thank you for your quick action. Unfortunately, things like this happen. And unfortunately, we do need guns and malls. And we need. Patriot, you know, straight up. Citizens like this guy.

9:18To hopefully be there. And in times of need. But uh. We are. That's a crazy situation. Yeah. You can't plan for it. But you got to be grateful that that guy was there. Now, just imagine if he did say. Oh, man, my name legal. Let me. I'm gone. You got. Five other people. Because. This judge want to be in probation for being. He wrote. So. Uh, it doesn't need. That's what he needs to do. Uh, where. They do. It's great. His name is Hernandez. Martinez. Martinez. I didn't expect. To see. He looked like he got six folks. He was. But yeah. I. Thought it was. Yeah. I. I. Thought it was. Yeah. I thought it was. Yeah. I thought you didn't shoot. To. Also to be 19. Yeah.

10:18And to think. To do that. To come and protect. Especially. It made me. About. Great. There used to be that show. Um, that we used to watch all the time. Uh, what would you do? What. What would you do? I think so. That prime time. That we would like. Have situations occur. And then it would be like. To see if people. Camera is off. To see if people will. And then it would be like. And then it would be like. To see if people. Camera is off. Camera is off. To see if people would like. Step in and do something about it. And it's so funny. Because that show. I feel like. I mean, people we used to be locked into that show. But. So a lot of people don't step in. A lot of people are like that. Yeah. Nothing to do with me. Because the minute I step in and now become my problem. Or you're now direct your angle. Whatever toward me. I'm putting myself in a farmed way. And so. Yes, it was. And so. And so, I don't think I'm going to be that. I'm going to be that.

11:18I'm going to be that. I'm going to be that. I'm going to be that. Would you do okay. You'll remember. But this guy to to your point. He's so young. But like in that moment. It will show to step in and potentially save lives of other people. And so I can smell this to be weird. That the judge didn't acknowledge that part. And the only. I carved on him. With that I think it's appropriate. I think two things can be true. I think it is appropriate to express him. Now you know you are under a, to carry a weapon. You know that's illegal. I think that's fine to express that because that is the truth. However, in this same breath you should also acknowledge the fact that because you had a gun and took the courage to step in and you saved the lives of other people, I also like, I posted my video about the story on my Instagram and what's my guy's name. I always forget he's Atlanta attorney. I can't remember his name right now. But he commented and he said that he and Jones, I mean, keep Jones, keep Adam sorry, why is he in return?

12:20Keep Adam's, he's Adam's out of case like this recently and they took it to trial and he said, yours usually are lenient on this kind of stuff. So I was, I mean, he got in court. I think he got a great infant right, Mark said long got two years of probation and he got that act. So I think in the next two years it's going to be expunged anyway like this is a good ending for an act that's moved. They do. It was illegal. You shouldn't have had it. I think that that is the appropriate sentence. However, he would have took the job because I feel like as a juror, I would have been like, I know that's what they all say. This dude saved lives. You know what I think the very would have acquitted him. I don't understand why this has to go. Why this is even going to trial. But not trial as he played. Well, why would even be considered

13:20something to go to trial for? It's, this is what I be hating about the law and look man, this man saved the life. If somebody is shooting up killing people and you defend the person, whether it's with the illegal weapon or not. Yeah. Jerry nullification is the proper term that I was blanking on. That's what I was trying to describe. He wouldn't want to trial and they, the juror, it would have been jury nullification because even though the evidence is there because of the circumstances, I believe that a juror, a jury would have acquitted him. But go ahead, sorry. Well, yeah, that's, I don't understand why he even got probation. You and the guy probation for me, it would have been simply, now look, this time you got off with having this weapon, but next time you might not be as fortunate. Thank you. And just because you reacted the way

14:23you reacted and you were able to help your people out, strangers out. This is a pass, basically, thank you. But next time you get caught with the weapon like this, you can be punished now. Yeah. You know, not the craziness. He's, hey, you shouldn't have the weapon in the first place, blaz, a blaz, a man get the hell out of here. A lot of people are commenting as well because you were talking about prosecutors deciding to pursue this because at the end of the day, right? It's the prosecutors who make the decision as to what charges to bring. So the fact that the prosecutors decided in this situation that what is appropriate is to charge him is actually where this whole thing. Like he shouldn't have had a gun. Yes. But as a prosecutor, you can understand that him having that gun saved the lives of other people, he didn't use it irresponsibly that day. He used it responsibly and possibly helped prevent other people losing their lives as the prosecutor. You can make the

15:25judgment call, right? Because they make that call every day. Sometimes people don't get charged with stuff. Sometimes they do. That's their call. It is odd that in this situation to choose to charge this young man knowing the circumstances. Now, if there's some backstory here that we don't know, then maybe that's why. But based on what is what we do know and what has been presented, it does feel a little weird to charge him in this situation when you didn't have to. But again, I think the sentence, because they did choose to, I think the sentence is appropriate, but I also wish he wouldn't want to try out because I think there's a world in which during notification would have happened. He would have he would have been acquitted. So Mr. President, my company formed the explosion on our rear on October 2nd, causing massive water displacement and triggering the tsunami. They all keep the blame on me. Tom Cruise is. Digger, don't listen to this mess. And Digger is gonna dig us out. Something director of Birdman and the Revenant. What would happen if I stop? You stole, you

16:26freeze to death. That's what. With great power, comes great deniability. I'm not the earth, daddy. Digger, see the tree long off. Only in the years of October 2nd, rated R, under 1790 minute without parent. Who says Halloween only lasts one day? With Wayfair, one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at home. From larger than life yard decor and moody lighting to festive accents for every room in the house, Wayfair has what you need to make Halloween feel like magic all in one place. Because the best Halloween memories aren't made in just one night. They're made all season long. Shop Halloween decor now at Wayfair.com. Wayfair every style every home. Also, also you have police officers that run away from situations like this. Don't even react the way he reacted. Trained adults. And you had this untrained 19 year old with the work. Hey, I need to jump into action. You know, yeah, I commend them. But all they did.

17:31Okay, let's move on to the next thing I wanted to talk about. Which is sometimes I, especially when I'm in between like big trials, I will kind of just scour the internet, the YouTube's. My notifications to see if there's something, some kind of interesting trial that I missed that I want to go back and watch. And so that's what I did in the last week. I was like, what is something, you know, old that I missed that I could go back and look at since I was at covering dirt for so long. And so when I was scouring the YouTube's, I came across a case that was I found to be kind of interesting. And there's one, there's a couple parts about it that are interesting. So I'll tell you and so I came across this case from where was it? Linna Michigan, another Michigan. Okay, so in 2006 or seven, I forgot the actual year that this situation happened.

18:36But essentially this man named John Skeleton, it's very similar to Skeleton. First of all, it's just missing another e, which I was like, this is a little creepy, but okay, this guy named John Skeleton, he has three, three little boys, they're like five, seven, and nine, you know, very young children. And he was married to this woman. He wanted to move to Florida. She testified on the sand. She said, I thought we had a good marriage until one day. He said he wanted to move to Florida. I told him I didn't want to move to Florida. And then all of a sudden, he says he's going to take the kids to school that day. He takes them to school and the school administrator calls my phone, hey, your husband John just came up here with drew the kids from school, asked for their records, asked how to get them signed up in a new school and said he's going to Florida. So she's like, I thought our marriage was fine. And then

19:37the school administrator calls me. And so I'm like, what the heck? So she calls him and she's trying to figure out where it, what's he doing? She ends up calling her, she has two older daughters by a different person. They're like, how can we stop him from taking kidnapping these kids? And so the lawyer is like, you have to file for divorce. That's the only way you could do it. So she's like, file. So then they file for divorce. He ends up really going to Florida. The kids call her, I think the next day was like her birthday. The kids call her like, hey, happy birthday. We're at Daddy's friends. How Sarah and Florida amassed, okay? Her and her daughters go to Florida. And they're trying to file the paperwork with the courts. It's like it went from zero to 100 real quick. I said, what is he just getting file for divorce that fast? The lady listened, whoever she called. The attorney was like, you got to file for divorce right now. That's the only way you can do this. So they end up filing. She ends up going to Florida. She they end up getting a hearing

20:39in Florida. They get to see a judge and the judges make some order like y'all have to deal with this back in Michigan where you're from. So the order is that you guys need to drive back to Florida and you need to be in eyesight of each other. The whole drive. That's the order that y'all got to go back and y'all got to see each other the whole way. You testify that's what they do. She said, sometimes we would pull over and the kids would switch and get in his car and get in my car. Oh, Linnaway. Linna, y'all know I'm bad with the fanatical uh Linnaway. Linnaway, Michigan. Okay. So they drive back to Michigan and at that point, obviously, it's over. She said he was trying to get back with her, but regardless, I think this happens in like September, I think. And so they're now separated and he they show her her house like where she staying because she was staying there like her mama house or something. Anyway, the ice the from the window like imagine you're in your kitchen window

21:40like doing dishes and they're I mean, you're in your kitchen and there's a window where you do dishes. The view of her window of wherever she was at her mama house or whoever's house could see his house like his driveway, right? Hey, cross street. Yeah. So anyway, time passes and they're not together, right? And then he's supposed to have them on Thanksgiving, but then on Black Friday, she's supposed to get the kids back. Black Friday comes and he's telling her that the kids are with somebody, some woman. It got real crazy. Anyway, they're still in Michigan at this point. Yes, he comes back to Michigan. Okay. Yes. Living across the street from Michigan. Yes, that's how it appears. Okay. And so she's like, where are you? And he's like, I'm not home. And she was like, he was so weird because I could see his car. So I'm like, what do you mean? You know, and he like, no, I'm not home, whatever. And so he eventually tells her he heard his leg and

22:40at some doctor. And so she called the doctor. It was a little bit of tea because she says she calls up to the hospital. He says he's at and the doctor is like, are you his wife? And she was like, well, we're separated. But technically, yeah, he was like, okay, if you're technically still his wife, then I can tell you, he tried to take his life today. And she's like, what? So then she's freaking out because she's like, where are my kids? If he's at the hospital because he tried to end his life, where are my children? So then she calls the police, they bus in the house, looking for the kids. The kids have never been found since that day. Never. Yeah. And so what ends up happening is he in 2010, he gets charged with false imprisonment of the three boys because they've never ever been found. And he was the last one. He pleads guilty to the charges. So he is sentenced to 15 to 15 years. He tried to get out early, but they denied his

23:41release. So he served 15 the whole 15 years, okay, from 2010 until 2025 last year. Last year, he's about to get out because he has served his 15 years for the false imprisonment of his three kids. Wait, y'all, I'm not done. There's two more bigs to parts of the story. What's his first day? John. John, okay. 12 days before he's supposed to be released. 12 days before his 15 year release date of prison. The prosecutors come in and charge him with murder three times. They charge him with the murder of his three kids. And the only reason they could do that is because, y'all, so he's supposed to get out November, something sometime in November 2025. In March, the mama, okay, other babies, the mama, she goes to the court and she says, I'd like you to pronounce my kids dead. Because as of now, they've just never been found.

24:45They're just like missing. She said, no, no, no, judge, I need you to pronounce them dead and say that he's responsible for the murder of them. The judge was like, I can't determine that he's responsible for the murder, but I can pronounce them dead. The judge pronouncing them dead allowed the prosecutors to now bring murder charges against this man. 12 day, this man served 15 years, 12 days before he gets out, prosecutors say, hey, hey, hey, drop them charges. This man has now is, he is still in prison. He didn't get out when he was supposed to. They just had the hearing. So that's what I was watching. Just had the hearing. And the judge was like, yes, there is enough, it was a preliminary hearing. There's enough for him to go to trial. So he has to have a whole another trial 15 years later for the death of his kids. But that's not listen, that's not even a kicker. Oh my goodness. When the, I mean, that is the kicker. That is crazy. But there's this is the other part before you keep going. This is, this is where and this

25:45thing double jeopardy, this is where the law and this is where the law matters. Like this is where you bring some stuff up to really pin somebody against the wall to the wall. Not this young man opening fire, protecting people. Yeah. When this dude has literally, if you ain't killed him, kids, you got him somewhere. You know where they are. Well, they had like medical issues. The mom on the stand is like, there's met it. They would have had, it's been 15 years. There was medication. They would have had to take, they not here no more. Essentially, you know, um, okay. So that I don't, first of all, I watch day one and I don't know all of everything. I just told you all the quick version, right? That I learned over the course of watching the days. But before I even learned everything, I just told you, right? I'm still kind of trying to familiarize myself like, what happened? What's the story? So day one of the hearing, preliminary hearing.

26:47The mom of the kids is on the stand. And the prosecutor is asking her, how did you meet John? And like, you know, whatever she was living at, her mom, my house and he was living at his daddy house and they was dating now. They grown, grown, okay? But they was dating. And then they get together and buy their own house or it's yeah, live together. And so the prosecutors like, so and her three, the three boys are by him. So at that time, she just had her two kids. And so the prosecutors like, you know, you guys met and before you guys met, you had your own issues and she was like, yeah, so that's all I'm going to tell you. I'm going to now play to you, okay? What this late, this is the mother of the three kids, okay? You just need to hear this show. I think I know what's happening. Before you get married, did you tell John that you saw some time ago? Yes, he knew that the first night we met. Tell me the conversation you had with John about that. I don't recall exact

27:53words, but... Somebody said you did. Y'all could hear that? Oh, okay, let me play again, sorry. The conversation you had with John about that. I don't recall. So at the point in time, you get married? Correct. When? 2002. So, remember? A session. Before you get married, did you tell John that you saw some time ago? Yes, he knew that the first night we met. Tell me the conversation you had with John about that. I don't recall exact words, but did I have... guided trouble and spent 10 months in prison and I was still on parole when I met him? Did you tell him what the FM support I did? Tell me what you told him, as best you can remember,

28:55I know, it was a long time ago. It was a sex crime and that I was on a sex crime. Did you give him the details of that sex offense? I did. Without naming names of anybody else involved, can you give me a brief description of what that FM involved? I have an inappropriate relationship with a teenage boy. The problem was 14. The general counsel's telling we've been talking about it today. What the hell? What is happening? You should have said, Floor. The hit, where did I get dropped off it? I was so confused. I said, now wait, what is the point of this trial again? Is it because he killed the kids or because she is on the on the register list?

30:00Now baby, what? 14. Oh, I wanted y'all to have the whiplash I had and it seems like y'all had it. That's the whiplash I had. I'm here filling, sorry for this mama. This poor mom lost her three boys. Maybe wait a minute. Now what would you do at 14? Now I can't put nothing past you. And listen, now I'm like, well, man, why was he taking the kids? He had now that came up of course, right? Because at some point he starts, I guess, trying to imply she did something to the kids. And so the prosecutors like that had never been brought up before until the divorce time. It just the whole thing went left. It just went left. Oh my goodness. So, yes.

31:02He's on trial. Well, it was a preliminary hearing. So he's now on trial yet. It was, you know, the preliminary hearing is. Yeah. Okay. So now anything he says that incriminates her or tries to incriminate her, it's going to hold some type of weight. Well, the evidence is pretty bad for him, but okay. Anything he says now, it's going to hold. You're going to be you're going to your ears are going to be perked up now because of this lady's past charges. And you got caught, but how many times are you still doing this? Because you know, it's for it'll be real easy for women to get away with this because guys ain't telling stuff, you know, this is, this is wild. This is wild. Yeah. That was the last

32:09I was not expecting. It was very, I gave me whiplash. It was anus day one. I was just like, oh, literally, this is the way I'm like, oh, let me see if there's something I miss. La la la. Oh, here's an interesting. His name is skeleton. There's three kids missing. Oh my gosh. He got sentenced to 15 years and now 12 years beforehand. Another try. This is kind of crazy. Let me turn it on. Click. And then that was like 14 minutes into day one. Mind you. Okay. So I hit day one. I'm like, oh, okay. This is the mom. She's walking up to the stand. La la la. We met. La la la. Wait, what? 14 minutes in. So then I'm like, I don't understand. And then the more she keeps talking about their relationship and it just got really crazy because he was like a truck driver. And so somebody from one of his companies testifies about like, you know, truck drivers be driving all times the places and, you know, so one of the ex co-workers is like, one time he was like,

33:09man, that's a great place to dump a body. And so when the kids came up missing, the co-worker went to the police like just so you know, one time he told me that there's a good place to dump a body. So they checked the place, but no bodies. The children have never been found, never been found. So, um, and then the pastor testified. She got on the stand. It was, that was a little weird. Um, and then the, it's like the cousin's daughter got on the stand. It's very, oh, um, a recap, but I just found the details to be crazy. They are. I would go to the crawl space of that house and check. They be having, they be people be having bodies in their crawl spaces. And it'd be right there right up underneath your nose. I would actually go across street to her house and check her house because he might have put them under his, under her house. Yes, somebody is saying, um, commenting the story that he gave that the officer even testified to.

34:13And the wife testified to, he was telling her that he had given them to another woman, um, to watch them. It was like one of the ladies from Florida. There was also, um, I'm telling you, there's a, there's a lot of twists and turns to their story. It has to do with like a mom, mom group or something. And so it's very much seen like he created a fake profile on this mom group that the, that she was in the wife. And so anytime they got into it, he would log in as the, as the friend to his wife and like, talk to her about the fight and try to like convince her that he should forgive him. It's just a bit, it's a lot of pieces to the story. But, um, anyway, just general information is the basics of what I told you guys because it was those are those are the details I have. I don't have more to give you more insight. But would you all, all right. This, this makes me think, would you all, I know like they have these flock cameras and, you know, um, the government is trying to keep a tab on us. But if you had the

35:20option of inserting a tracker in your child's wrist or whatever, something that sits underneath the skin. So where you can always track your child, would you do that? Would you? This sounds like the end of question. I'm saying for situations like this, would you, would you, wish you would have had? I mean, we all, we all really walk around with trackers already. Sure. You know, what's one in your, that's the mark of the beast. Thank you. That's exactly that's, that's the mark of, oh, okay. Book of Revelation chapter 7, verses 16 and 17. All right. Let's go. Revelation is talk about, uh, I know that's the last book of the Bible. Well, I mean, they talk up as they talk about the market of the beast. What I'm saying is they talk about household trackers. They talk about the market of the beast. What's the market of the beast? Got to do with tracking people.

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37:27Bonjour, Compadre. It's the. Price line, Niko Shigayder. How do I negotiate so many great travel deals? My greatest gadget. The price line app. It's got hotel deals. Flight deals. Rental card deals. All of those deals in a bundle. Deals. Gameday deals. Concert trip deals. No one deals more deals than price line. Older horses, there's more. The app that you filter hotels by neighborhood. Five, star level and amenities like pools and spas and beach fronts. Wait, I'm not done. Stop cutting the ice line! Anyway, I give my I give my daughter my Apple Watch when she goes to the park and if I'm not with them and I be cracking her. So just a question. You know, just need to hear no there. But if one of them children had something on them that no one knew about, they would know where them keys is. Okay, last one I want to talk about and then we can get out of here is there is a trial that's

38:32been happening that a bunch of people, a bunch of people DMed me on all of the platforms telling me I need just to cover it, but it was boring. It's prosay and so I always am a fan of prosay. Trials, but like interesting prosay ones, right? And where the cases are the same. Where you represent yourself. Interesting prosay ones or like you just being a complete fool, but he wasn't it's the it's the surgeon case. He's a plastic surgeon, but he wasn't even like doing no cross examination. So then it was just like the it was a preliminary hearing. It's just like the prosecutor or not not even preliminary. It's like a grand jury hearing where the prosecutor is just presenting all of the information and he is kind of sitting there. So because of that, I wasn't all that interested, but then yesterday something happened that I'll play that I thought was kind of funny, particularly because the defendant, I'll give you a brief recap of the case, but the defendant who is prosay, there is like a officer behind him and what's funny, the funniest part in the clip to me is the face of the officer because of how ridiculous the man is.

39:37So generally, or generally speaking, I'll give you again, this is a brief recap. It's not going to be just like I just talked about that last case. This is brief. So I asked me to make questions. I will know too many details. This is brief. The case is I can't even pronounce this man's name. Swaski. Kassau, Kassau, Kassawaski. Kassauaski. It might be Kassauaski. Anyway, his name is, I believe it's Thomas, but there's like a Z at the end of Thomas as well. Kowalski. Okay, thank you. Sweet July is commenting that it's Kowalski. Anyway, the guy is a plastic surgeon. Essentially, he was in a lawsuit, civil lawsuit, his firm, no.

40:41Kowalski is the plastic surgeon. He kills the lawyer. Well, he was found guilty today, so I can say he kills. He kills the lawyer who is involved in a lawsuit that the surgeon is involved with. So the lawyer is representing the other party in the lawsuit. Does that make sense? Yes. Okay. What the theory it sounds like is that this man, the attorney, walked into the bathroom, I believe at his firm and Kowalski, the plastic surgeon, followed him in there. There was some kind of blood, what did they say, blood-letting event? There was some kind of injury to him that calls him to bleed. Kowalski then, I believe, carried him out in like a cart, carried this man out of the bathroom in a cart covered or whatever, takes him to his truck,

41:47lifts the cart with the man, the lawyer inside into the truck, thrives away. I think they say he goes home for a while, regardless, they're saying that is like the course of events that kind of led up to it. He was killed in this bathroom where Kowalski killed him and then carried him in this cart, put the cart in the man on the truck and drove away. So while the lead detective on the case is on the stand, hopefully you're following this, but while the lead detective is on the stand, Kowalski actually does cross examination of him and he's asking to demonstrate this process of carrying a man in a cart, lifting it up and putting it on the bed of a truck is what he's trying to ask. That is enough background for you. I'm going to play the clip so you can hear Kowalski asking the detective to do this illustration.

42:50So from what I recall, he weighed about 190 pounds. It's a movable amount of weight. It can be lifted. It was in a wagon, but that's an amount of weight that can be picked up and put in the bed of the truck. If I recall correctly, that area of the parking lot, there's a large oak tree between the sidewalk and the parking lot that the truck was backed up to and believe the roots on the ground would have brought the ground level closer to the bed of the, or to the tailgate of the truck. The tailgate was down. Okay. And were you a few months ago, I believe members from the state's attorney's office went down and went to the truck that was in storage and measured the height of the truck. Were you part of that? No, I was not. Do you know the results of what happened over there? No, I do not. All right. Are you physically fit? Are things so? Do you do exercise? I do. Do you do lift weights? I do. Okay. Would you be

43:56willing to help in a demonstration? I could. Sure. Wonderful. Do you see that? Hey, when you like lift weights, you pray for the moment. How many pushes you can do? I don't want to prove like, let me show you what I can do. Mr. Bondarhyde and Mr. Pidaris are sitting at? Yes. The height of that is just 30 inches. Okay. Okay. A few months back, the state's, the state went and measured the height of the Toyota and they measured that it was 28 inches from the ground to the rear bumper. So if you swing the tailgate down, that would add a few more inches. I would say closer to four inches. So I would say that that's a pretty good analog. Maybe a little bit less of the height that somebody would have to lift a person

45:01to load it on to the Toyota tailgate. Now we have a gorilla cart and evidence right now. What I propose we do is that we take that gorilla cart. We ask for a volunteer that's approximately 190, 195 pounds to get into that gorilla cart. And I would like you to lift that gorilla cart with that person onto that desk. And you're on. I'm going to get to the set of demonstration. I'm going to ask you for first of all the relative strength capabilities. We've developed the SAS-MUSI-ROS to resign to your action in the car. We've developed a 23. We're not irrelevant to this detective who's test drive for today. I'm not sure where you're going to find a 100-19 year old deer in the final wheel cart. So you've gone here and you put on table today in the corner of the jacket. All right. I'll sustain the objection but you made your point.

46:03I don't think I have. Well, I do have. So you may continue with your crossing. Your honor. Their theory is that I took a 195 pound person in a cart and somehow lifted those two weights together and loaded it onto the back of the truck. He's telling you that I committed murder and he's trying to kill me for it. All right. That is their theory. The least, the least that they have to do is show me that this is plausible. Now I, because of my career, I know what it's like to transfer 195 pound people all the time because I transfer people from or our tables to gurneys all the time. All right. If your theory is real, you should have no problem lifting that cart up with a 195 person onto that desk. Now please.

47:07All right. I understand your argument and I'll take it into consideration but we're not going to have that type of demonstration in the courtroom, right? So you may continue with your cross examination. mad 可以 He was banking on that. He was banking on them, demonstrating his little situation. Also, what makes you think somebody about that? Oh, yeah, I volunteer, put me in the gorilla car and lift me up on this table. But what is also really weird to me is he in the midst of him saying how hard it is.

48:10He then, because I'm sure he can't help but talk about himself. He then says, well, because in my profession, I lift 190 people, pound people up all the time. I put them from this table to that table to this table to that table. Okay, so sir, what you're telling me is that that's not a problem for you. You are trying to ask a random all of the detective who may be kind to work out to lift up the 190 person with the car. Why do we care? I want to know if you can. And what you just said to me is that you probably can't. So what do you think about what is the point of this? What is the point of this? And 200 pounds is not that heavy to lift up to put on a back of a truck. And if you are constantly, if you're a plastic surgeon constantly moving bodies, I bet you you could do it. I bet you you could do it. This, the little tidbit of you said him talking about himself gave it away.

49:12And the officer behind him was just, just tickled pink. That bad was just trying to hold it together. He said, uh, he said, no, I don't think I made my point. The officer's good. It's so ridiculous. Mind you. This man is facing the death penalty. Okay. Why would you represent yourself in a case where you're facing the death penalty unless you did it and you're just crazy? He also, um, it was a bench trial. He chose not a jury. This is a trial only in front of a judge. There is no jury. This judge and the judge said they finished presenting. He didn't testify. The surgeon didn't testify and didn't present any witnesses. And so at the close of the, um, evidence, the judge said he needs 15 minutes to decide the verdict. And then he came back out and said he's guilty.

50:12I was thinking this is a little, this is unreal. I got, I got some hold on hold. Okay, y'all. Oh no, they're 200 pounds might have been a little bit too heavy. This is a hundred pound kettlebell. So with one hand, I feel like also though, you got to take into account the size of stuff. Like that's all put in one concentrated weight versus like trying to lift up a cart. Yeah, with a cart, I'm able to get everything. Okay. But hey, that's one on. If I'm able to live with both, I told you, I people that live with just me. I would like to know. You acted like the person you just talked about. But now I'm already kind of windy.

51:14Well, anyway, 200 pounds, I say it was probably fairly easy. On the bar on a weight bar is easy, but they're weight. That's what I feel like a body would be different. But also it feels in a cart though, it wasn't. It's contained. Anyway, that off that that doctor, he really didn't look like he was that physical. Well, but I mean to that, to the point of doctors, they are constantly moving bodies. I feel like they would have, I would imagine anyway, doctors probably have a lot of like arm strength. Well, maybe even legs if they're lifting right because they're constantly moving bodies. Replace the plate with the help of other people. Just feel like they probably have some strength. Oh, she said no, they don't. I was about to say I don't think from one gurney to the next, you doing this, that ain't nothing.

52:16But also when you're lifting something onto a tailgate, you know, you lift it and then if you get it just a little bit on that tailgate, then you can push, push it on the way. Well, he was convicted. So I was, those are the two random cases I've been catching up on. And you know, a little bit of time I've had since, since Derk has ended. He was also on the table like he was leaned over. He was leaned over. Hey, hey, man, you are a little once. He was leaned over. Oh, Nancy said nurse here and doctors will watch a patient fall out of their bed and still not. Nurses are the strong one. Doctors are wrong. That actually makes sense. That's hilarious. Okay. And then very, very last thing I was going to say was I meant to ask if anybody watched the the first round of the motery case with Kiwan White.

53:19I didn't watch it. I might make a video because I know that second trial with a yellow beasy is coming at the end of October, October 26. I believe is the date that it was delayed to. So I might make a video to recap the first trial because it's a setup to this second trial. That's going to happen very soon. So, but I didn't, I didn't know if anybody had watched that one. So let me know if you watched it and what you thought of it. I know that that camera, it's very far like it's the way from what I understand that courtroom. There's like where the camera is is behind like a window. So it's not the best kind of setup. So I don't know. That's kind of why I've been back and forth. I'm actually going to recap it just because it's a little hard to see. And I don't know if the volume is good either. Oh, a few people are saying they watched a little bit. Well, we'll see. I'll see. All right, I think that's it. How do I end this?

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