Magick, Wizardry & Sorcery w/ E.A. Koetting & Lord Byron Jester

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2:25My name's Jonathan. I'm Sean. And today we have two awesome guests. One, I don't know, it's your 10th or 11th time coming on the show. Lord Byron, welcome back to the show. My good brother. That's good. Good man. How are you guys doing? Awesome. And they're man. I feel like this is my home away from home, you know? Indeed. You'd come on. Excited for you. I'm always warm, dude. And also we have a new guest, Eric Kweading. Welcome to the show, sir. How are you tonight? Good. I'm doing spectacular. Thanks so much for having me on. It's awesome. Just chat with you guys. Hell yeah. Well, look, Lord Byron has talked a lot about you. And you guys have teamed up. And we're really looking forward to hearing about, you know, really just you and everything that you practice, all the different kind of things that you're into. I'm not trying to label anything. So I'm trying to like dance around it. But that being said, I mean, would you would you mind telling us a little bit about yourself? And what's your what your deal is, sir? Yeah, for sure.

3:26Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, my name is Eric Kweading. My author name is EA Kweading. I've written around 30 plus books on magic. And so when I say magic, you know, dude, I try to approach it from every angle. Black magic, white magic, purple and yellow and everything in between. And that's it is really hard. You know, it's it is hard to to stay away from labels because you know, I'll fall into it every now and again. I'll live life as a as a satanist and be fully into it. And the next thing, you know, I'm someone in the arc angel Michael and run on with that. But I do think that's the that's the real magical path is is just, you know, touching. I'd let my magical path at least. I want to touch everything. Everything I see. I'm like, oh, that's cool. Let me play with that and unbox it and see what's there. And and so I do that with every every magical practice. I've ever been. I will get on get my hands off since I was a kid. I started learning just, you know, Wicked and all of that stuff. Got my hands on the necronomicon.

4:26And that was a game changer. I was like, oh, I'm going to summon some stuff and started some and some some and some stuff. That really blew the hinges off the doors for me. And and really what what that did for me is that really solidified evocation. The summoning of spirits is one of my primary practices. Because as soon as I started tapping into it to the watchers to Enky, it's like the books become stupid. It's like, I would even read a book when I can just ask the dude himself. Right. And and so that became my my big practices, spirit communication, spirit summoning. And so you start writing books about it. I started doing a YouTube multi media assault where I was, you know, for several years, just throwing as many videos as I could on YouTube. And and my goal with that was to try to really to try to change the way people think about magic and specifically the left hand path to to to maybe take the covers off of it and go, you know, we're not we're not here doing crazy stuff to kids.

5:27We're not doing the crazy stuff that the rumors say. But here is actually what it could be. Here's my path. And and so that was cool. I got canceled off of social media a couple of years ago. Had a had a guy that he wasn't associated with me at all. In any way that he didn't he didn't buy my books. He didn't watch my videos. He didn't really interact with me. He killed a couple ladies, but he had gone a couple years before he got there onto my forum. And and so BBC made this whole link between him. Canceled me online. That's okay. That was actually for me. That was a reset. That was that was an that was an opportunity for me to actually look at my practice and go, you know, am I doing this because I want people to click that like button or am I doing this because this is who I am. And I really had to just get back to the core of like, what's my practice about? Who am I as an actual sorcerer and get back to the core of that? And that's just it's been carried me. It's been carrying me solid ever since.

6:28So that's that's that's who I am. That's what I'm about. My big my big mission is to kind of act like a lightning rod. Go experience some crazy stuff. Get zapped by whatever I get zapped by. And then if I have something try to find something I can report back to the world and go, Hey, like here's here's what I came up with. And I do try to I do try to bring it back to practices. Like it's not I don't want to come back and be like, here's what I saw on the other dimension. That's useless. I want to tell you how to get to the other dimension and see your own stuff to have your own experiences. So that's the most important thing that's been in a nutshell, guys. I love to hear about it. First of all, it's awesome that you just called yourself a sorcerer. That is probably one of the most gangster titles ever. It's just being a sorcerer. But yeah, it's I, I'm the fact that you've written how many books you said 30 books on magic. Over 30 of this point over 30. Yeah, I started out, you know, save with digital deals at Vons and Albertsons. This week at Vons and Albertsons,

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8:32Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all only at McDonald's. So when I was about 23, I got my girlfriend pregnant and my whole life changed. Because I was just on a crazy, crazy path. Didn't know what I was doing with my life. Just picking up whatever job I could, sleeping on people's couches and then boom. Somebody shifted the track I was on and boom, I shifted it, I guess, by my own choices. Shifter the track I was on and really took, took me in a dad seriously. And part of that was was like, you know what? If I'm going to do something with my life, it's time I start doing it. And I've always talked about being a writer. And if I'm going to get serious about it, let's get serious about it. And so sat down and started writing my first books and that out. I started writing my second one and just kind of started rolling it ever since. And it really hit me.

9:32It was a weird thing. Like I feel like it was a biological thing. That after I had reproduced, that there was something in me going like the next step for you is death. You're going to raise this child and then you die. And so your biological mission has been fulfilled with reproducing. Now anything else you want to get done, you better get working on it. That's awesome. So you, all right. So a couple of different things. I see that you got Mjolnir hanging from your neck right there, along with a couple of Viking runes there on your shirt. Is that something that you also dabble into as far as like trying to get in touch with the Norse gods? Yeah, and I would go even much further than dabbling. I've got a whole area in my backyard. I'm blessed to have a really cool property in southern Utah, in the middle of middle of nowhere. And so I've got a, I've got a spot in my backyard where I've got a whole runic setup. I've got a huge room stone that I've made there. And I'll go out and I've got an offering, an altar that'll go out and commune with the gods.

10:34They are the gods of my ancestors. And so I can feel that pull in my blood. And you know, when I was like 16, 17, I picked up my first room, sat just from the store, fell in love with it. But I've got sidetracked with tarot and with the, you know, spirity vocation and whatever. And so it's funny because I feel like runes and all of that, it kind of works like that. It'll, I'll kind of forget about it. I'll put it down and then a couple years later, boom, it just loops back around. I was like, hey, remember me old friend? And pick it back up and start using again. But I do feel it's in my blood. And so I can't escape it even if I didn't even if I wanted to. But yeah, it's a huge, huge practice with you know, with working with the Norse gods and working with the runes. It's a different thing than working with any kind of any other kind of magic. Because it's not, you're not calling an odon in front of you. You're going and walking out into the wilderness and trying to, trying to have odon walk alongside you or maybe even walk within you and become

11:36odon to a degree. You don't necessarily call on the elves. You don't summon them. You go out into the forest and you start to see them in the trees. You start to see to hear strange things. You start to see sparkles as the light comes down. It's like you commune with nature in a different way. I do feel like the the Norse path, the Celtic path also has this is a deep tie. My native American paths, of course, have a deep tie back to the earth that we've lost. Like, like, as a species or a civilization, we need to get back to that. We need to take our shoes off and get back into the dirt, you know. A hundred percent. And I'm so happy you said it the way that you did. Because we've talked about essentially embodying the essence of said gods or deities or whatever that you're not necessarily reaching who might have say what you are or what you aren't doing. But just from, you know, our understanding is that you're almost like embodying their essence in a weird way, which is, you know, very interesting. You would expect that, you know, if you're communicating with gods that they

12:37would be alongside you or they would be, you know, pointing in a direction from the sky or something like that. But it's very different as far as our understanding as magic goes. And that's something, you know, we can attribute that to Lord Byron first of all for introducing us to a lot of magic and helping us understand, you know, a lot of his practices and how it works and everything like that. But I would say that, you know, as far as our magical understanding, it is basically because of Lord Byron and the book by Philip Cooper called the Magician. We always reference that book like that. Have you, have you dabbled into that book? I mean, you know, years ago, I, I know I came across it and read it, but, you know, I don't know that I even captured on my bookshelf. Okay. Yeah. So I mean, I highly recommend anybody that wants to try and understand magic, magic a little bit more that, that book right there really broke it down to, to where even a fourth grader could understand. And we made it simple enough for you and I to really catch onto it. And then we had Byron on and he was like validating everything that we had just learned and

13:41come to the understanding of how some of these things work and working with the mind and using the different modalities of the different tools or instruments, if you will. And it was just like, oh, this is all starting to come together. You know, it's like, and I like how you were saying in the beginning as far as you kind of dabbling in all of the different types of magic. And Jonathan and I were just talking earlier today about, you know, putting things in a box and labeling things. And I think that's where we get kind of, I think that's where we get slowed down just a little bit because you get so locked into one idea and you're really limiting yourself to, to everything else, you know, and so I respect that. Well, and just as far as like we recently covered eccentric witchcraft, is it no, not eccentric, eclectic, eclectic witchcraft. And that is something that, you know, it's seemingly very embodying everything essentially like taking a little bit from here, taking a little bit from there, taking a little bit from religion and philosophy and magic and every, every single thing altogether.

14:43And that just seems like, I mean, if you were one of the original people that were practicing a religion or practicing a spirituality or something like that, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have anything to run off of. You would have just whatever is around you, the information and the tools around you to, to use and to try and, you know, maybe manipulate the energy around you or call upon said, you know, ghosts or deity or demon or angel or whatever, you know what I mean? Like it wouldn't be so strict because you would be the first one that would be doing it, right? And that's kind of how my mind went is that like the, the original witches were probably eclectic. Right. I do this little thought experiment with myself of everything. So I've got a daily yoga practice. I do, I've got a bunch of different practices that I, that I keep going. And with all of them, I try to bring it back to this thought. So in yoga and Buddhism, there's, there's all these

15:43teachings about these, these old monks that would, they would go live in a cave for 40 years, they live in a cave, meditating and chanting and the birds are bringing them food to eat and all this stuff. And, and so I bring it back to there. If I was all by myself, I didn't have any technology and I was in a cave, what would I do? How would I do this? How would I make this magic work? Because you know, there's, there's so much over reliance people have on, on structure and on, I've got to have the right color, a candle and I've got to have the right smelling incense. You don't need any of that. You can take a piece of mud. You know, this is, this is what chaos magic teaches you. Take a piece of mud, form it into whatever form you want, give it a name, worship it and then ask it to do things for you. And it's going to do things for you. But that actually brings me back to the real, the real nature of magic is like, like you're saying, with the, the, the proto magicians, the first magicians, for, for a very long time, magic was formulated out of necessity. But if you're going on a hunt, you got to, you, you want to guarantee that you're going to bring something home from that hunt. If you're banging your wife, you want to guarantee

16:45that's going to produce a child. And so everything that you're doing, if you want to give that extra punch, they needed to find a technology to allow us to succeed and to thrive. And, and I do believe that our, our spiritual capabilities is one of the things that gives us an advantage. And, and it's not only that you can feel things when you're hunting, that you can actually tap into things on a, on a deep level, but you can also manifest the things that you desire if you're visualizing it, right? This is before we had a, before we had created a, we all as a species, before we had treated language, there were sorcerers gathered in caves that were chiseling, you know, the, the elk that they want to go hunt to make sure that they could hunt it. And they would, they would, you know, we need 12 elk. So we're going to chisel 12 of them right here. And then we're going to smoke some of this that we've got here when we get to utilize it. And so it's like that before, before we had any technology, this was one of the first technologies that people started using. No, I'm going to go even further. I don't think that we just accidentally figured this stuff out.

17:46I think that it was given to us. I don't know, you know, I like to think that some gods stepped in and handed us these tools. Or maybe it was the past civilization, because I think there are multiple civilizations before us. But I don't think we just stumbled on this. This is a technology that was given to us. Yeah, that's, I mean, it does kind of make sense. And don't get me started. I'm a conspiracy theorist through and through. So whenever you talk about ancient, forgotten about civilizations, I'm all here for the Lantis talk. But yeah, I think you're on to something, dude, like as far as just how all of it works, like it doesn't necessarily have to be so structured. I think, and this is something that even the Majikian was talking about. It was just like, you know, he goes, yeah, you know, in the beginning, you want to make sure you got your sword and your chalice and your shield and your incense and your candles and make sure you have your temple and make sure nobody goes into your temple because you have to know that that's yours. And all of those things are essentially symbols that you're going to use in your mind. You're not using them as

18:49practice necessarily to perform any kind of ritual. So he talked about, you know, all the different practices that he would use and essentially take these symbols and being able to work with them in his mind. And he goes, after a while, you're not going to need any of that shit anymore. You're like, all you're going to need, all of that's going to be in your mind. You don't need to see a physical sword in front of you anymore because now that sword is so permanently tattooed inside your mind that you can just go pick it up and grab it. And so yeah, I agree with you that you don't necessarily need all that. It's just helpful kind of tools to help you to get to where you're going, right? Well, I'm actually going to go, it's interesting because I think everything moves in waves. It's not just one thing all the time. It's sometimes this and sometimes that. And so with that, yeah, when you first start, start out with all the different stuff, make sure you're you're really going hardcore into the physical and then start eliminating it, you know, to take the sword out. And I suggest the same thing of taking the tools out one at a time. You know,

19:52what's the thing that feels like you don't really need it? Get rid of all of those things. And then and then get to the point, get rid of the circle, get rid of the triangle, get rid of your words, get rid of everything until you're just standing there in blissful communion with the spirit. And so that's awesome. But then I do recommend once you're kind of at a plateau with that adding things back in, what actually feels necessary, what feels like it's going to add to the ritual. You know, so I did an evocation of Michael a couple weeks ago, the arcane to Michael. And I just did it all in my backyard, a huge elaborate ritual. It's not just electric, it's Toyota Electric. And during Toyota's easy toy sales event, going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek busy, the adventurous, busy, woodland, or the sporty CHR. But don't wait, these special savings won't

20:54last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. Meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer. It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. It's not just electric, it's Toyota Electric. And during Toyota's easy toy sales event, going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek busy, the adventurous, busy, woodland, or the sporty CHR. But don't wait, these special savings won't last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. And I was like, you know, I want to have, I feel like I need, like there wasn't much there. I have my book to take notes in. I have my incense. And the circle that I carved into the ground.

22:00I'm like, I really don't have much though. And I feel like I should bring something, but it really hit me. Anything that you add, it can't just be because you want to add extra stuff. And needs to actually have a purpose. So if you can figure out the purpose, so what I actually got was a gong. I got a big little gong. I brought out there and I was like, I'm just going to get this gong once. And that's going to set the ritual. And that was all I needed. It was a perfect ritual. But why I'm saying this is the sword, it's not just a prop for your mind. It can also become an anchor of your power. And so if you have a physical tool, you know, I guess swords in the wall behind me there, most of them are magical. And they said they're doing whatever they're doing, whether I'm sleeping or playing video games or whatever I'm doing, my magical tools are always working on my behalf. And so it can act as a physical anchor for your energy. Another thing that I'll say is I have noticed, if you're doing the ritual in your mind only,

23:00and I would call that mental or astral ritual, because maybe you are on the astral play moving things, the result that you can expect is usually going to be a mental or an energetic or an emotional result. If you want to have a physical result, you've got to do some physical stuff. And so with the physical stuff, light some candles, light some incense, say the words out loud, actually develop the magical ecosystem in the space and then transmit your will through the ritual. And then also go do the things in the world that you need to do. If you're going to do a wealth spell, you better be putting applications out. If you're doing a love spell, you better be brushing yourself up and going and approaching some hobbies. So yeah, those are my thoughts on that. Let goes into what you were saying as far as the whole embodying thing. We were just covering this not too long ago and it was so fascinating because it made so much sense. If you're going to do a money spell and you would probably want to embody the energy of somebody who was going out there

24:02and getting money, it just makes too much sense. Have you checked out the book, Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill? Jonathan always brings this up. Yeah. Yeah. So when I was like 18, I started hanging out with some rich guys that did multi-level marketing and they got me on a couple of their schemes and I made a little bit of money, but more than anything, I was trying to figure out, like, how do you become that person? How do you become the person that is comfortable with the nice home and the nice car and the nice lifestyle? Because I've always been poor. I've been homeless several times in my life. I've been magic to pull me up out of the gutters literally. And so I'm looking at this going, what's the secrets behind this? And everybody kept turning me over to Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich. And so I read that book and I was like, all it's talking about is the way you think. Where's the actual system? Where's the secret in the end? Where's the trick? And on my mentors kept telling me, no, no, that is the secret. You got to tune the way you think about things. You have

25:04to see yourself as being the person that you want to be. Start identifying, like, not just a nice car, what car? What brand of car? And what does the house actually look like? What does it feel like? And part of that is, you know, this is silly, I feel silly for admitting this, but one of the things that I will do from time to time, if I need a series of breakthroughs in my life, is also down to do a vision board. You know, I saw this on Oprah when I was like in high school or something. My mom's watching Oprah in the other room. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to try this. And so go get a poster board, get a bunch of magazines and cut out the pictures of the things that you want. And don't think about it. Just whatever you're drawn to, just cut it out, put it on the board. And then every day, pin that in your bedroom. So every day you look at it and just think about it and visualize yourself having those things. Dude, it's sick. How this stuff just starts coming to you. That the exact kind of car that I cut the picture out, like it was within a couple months. Boom, that's the car that I've got in my hands. And I didn't even notice it until I look back at the board. So yeah, it's not. You shouldn't even feel silly talking like that, you know what I mean?

26:08Because we all know that you can you can see things in the world. And maybe you're you're not consciously aware of that, you know, and I had a really weird experience. So we can get into that later. But basically my my subconscious mind was noticing certain things that I was not fully aware of. And then I had some weird vision when I was taking a nap of some lightning and shit like that. And then I get up in two hours later or storm rolls in. And there's a bunch of lightning. There was no way I saw nothing with my conscious mind that a storm was coming that that, you know, there was no clouds in the distance, nothing like that. And so somehow my subconscious mind was aware of what I wasn't. And so you, what is that called when you're when you're Byron, I think you taught us this, but when you're seeing something throughout the day and and you're just it's in your subconscious mind, but that doesn't sound silly to me at all, dude, to to look at stuff like that. And it's kind of reprogramming your mind to expect to see these things, even without you really knowing it's almost like, you know, and so that's magic in itself, like a premonition at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

27:11On moments as a super important thing, you know, that's something, especially filtering out something that's not just in your head and like actually like a secrecy or an omen. And that's like a fascinating phenomenon about this place, this realm, you know, because it's I mean, imagine what kind of mechanism would have to be for that that many people in the world to be receiving these messages all the time from the environment and how many people just only have been pay attention to it. But imagine the mechanism behind that. Like if it was like a computer software, you know, like imagine for it because everyone gets these, you know, it's not worthy only once. Dude, it's not you know, that's a crazy, but that's a crazy point. So excuse me, my fiancee and I were hanging out in Vegas. I just live right over the border of Vegas. So it's a fun town to go hang out and so we're hanging out in Vegas and we're up in the we're up in the hotel room doing a ritual for Hacate, the goddess of the underworld. And we walk out as soon as we get on the street, we see this this fire boom. And this pitch fork comes up out of the fire and it's just some advertisement for something. It's like,

28:15I felt like I got transported into hell itself. What the heck? And she goes, did you see that? That was like a straight sign. I'm like, yeah. And then we walk and there's there's a bunch of keys that we see and there's keys everywhere, which is another symbol of for her. And just everywhere we're looking, it's like the world is just flashing with these symbols. So like Byron Sand, like this is this is a meta communication with the spirits you're working with and with your environment itself. And it is, it does make you wonder about like the holographic nature of it because it's doing this for everybody, but most people are just ignoring it. Most people don't even see signs. But so I call this the voice of magic, the voice of magic. It can be just little signs that you see, you know, don't leave your wallet there. You're going to forget it and then you forget your wallet. So the little voice of magic. Every single time there's a choice, it's like a crossroads that you're facing. Are you going to just miss it as an accident or are you going to recognize it for what it is? If you recognize it for what it is, this doorway opens that makes more of those things happen. And so and and more of those things happen and you become it becomes clearer. The voice gets

29:20super clear to the point that you see the you see the the the if you'll see the answer to the question before you bomb it to ask it while you're thinking about the question, but oh, damn, okay, cool. Dude, and this is like a magic itself, you know, like leaves this like kind of calling card behind, you know, where it lets you know if someone's attacking you or if your spell is working, you know, things are going good, you know, like magic itself has this way of like just leaving it's it's residue behind residue just to inform you or anyone else, you know, dude, you know, what's funny is is that all right, so just to let all the one out there know, we actually had these two guys scheduled a few days ago to come on the show. And and I double booked and I didn't, you know, remember to jot it down the calendar and I was like, oh my god, of all people to leave like that, you know, waiting in the balance and I'm like, this guy's going to do a fucking painful magic spell

30:22on me. Like, this is the worst person to leave behind. Oh my god, I hope he doesn't and then he didn't reply back for a day or two. I was like, oh shit, it's already happening. What's going on? He started to feel sick and shit. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to hit me up in session. We curse these guys or what? Yeah. Well, I'm happy you guys decided on too. Yeah. Um, so, uh, Eric, you had mentioned about how the left hand path kind of gets a bad rep. Can you explain what you mean by that? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, so we've got to go, we've got to go a bit for far backing and go back to, uh, to India because that's where the journey to left hand back comes from. He's understood that there's the right hand path. That's the solar path, the path of the daytime, the things that are obvious in life, the obvious gods, the obvious practices, and then he have the the left hand path, the nighttime path. And so, so where the daytime path, the the solar path

31:23and right hand path is the, it's a masculine path. It's a path of of aggression and work and doing things in the physical world. The nighttime path is more turning into the unconscious, turning into the unknown. Um, it's a feminine path of opening yourself up to receive the mysterious, not necessarily be so much in control. And um, this has created a bit of a division when this idea came over. Madame Blavacksky brought this over with, uh, with her, was it fiosophanie? The philosophy. The philosophy. All right. Yeah. Where she brought that over and imported the turn left hand path and right hand path into that. She really made a, did a disservice by saying the left hand path is the evil demonic side, the right hand path is the good side because that's not what it is at all. These are, these are night and day. They're, they're a perfect balance. And, um, and to, to, to, so that's gotten filtered through our Judeo-Christian society as left hand path is demonic and bad. Demont demons are bad. Satanism is bad and, and, and evil. And obviously,

32:28Christianity, which is responsible for more crimes and, you know, horrendous things to children and everything that, than anything we've ever seen before, that's the good side. And so it's like, so that same false division is really affecting the whole thing is the things that, the most of the time, most of the time when a magician refers to a demon, they're not talking about something evil. They're talking about ancient gods that predate, uh, Christianity and, and Judaism. You know, you look at, you look at, and Ningu's either the first serpent god is literally just a serpent god, a giant serpent, Christians freak out about that kind of stuff. That's obviously evil, but that's one of the very first gods ever worshipped. And so when you go back further and further in time, to our modern perception, filtered through with Judeo-Christian lens, it does look very evil. Um, and so there is that, now also there's an additional matter of, it's not just electric, it's Toyota electric, and during Toyota's easy-to-choice sales event, going electric is easier than ever.

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34:30We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. People always want to escape goat their problems. So anything that we don't want to admit that we have, it's easier than to admit we have problems than to just say, oh, these people over here, they're not of our tribe, therefore let's blame them. That's always kind of the pattern. So those things kind of brought together do give Lechtam Path a bad name. If anybody ever says they're working with black magic, it's automatically assumed that they're cursing people or that they're manipulating or that they're doing generally like bad nefarious things. I would say that they're actually just tuning into the more mysterious, the darker. Sometimes absolutely the forbidden things. And that is, I never understand whether, I understand whether safeguards there. Don't call the worst of the worst demons because he'll destroy your life. He might destroy your life, but I still like to call them. They're still value in calling.

35:32Oh yeah, dude. Yeah, that's, man, that is so interesting to do that. And I was actually talking with somebody earlier that said, oh, you know, I don't believe in spills. And I'm like, like, what do you mean you don't believe in it? Like you believe that it's not happening? Like you think that it's not working? No, I don't believe in any of that. I'm like, what would be a way that, what would be a spell that I could do to show you that it actually does work and that there is something truly behind it? And so I was just curious, you know, and not to get too personal, you know, you don't have to say anything you don't want to, but is there, has there been like a ritual or a spell that you've done that you were like, oh my god, I can't believe it worked. Like have you had a few of those instances? Oh yeah, there are a couple of them that are so out there that I just won't mention them, but there are some that there are some that I'll look at this world headlines. I'm like, how can I, I want to read something on the New York Times headline, what's that going to be? And so I'll even, as soon as I got into Radionics, it got really easy

36:32to do that. What are program specific phrases that I want to have pop up and in the pop up and the world headlines? And then start seeing that phrase, boom, all over. And so playing little games with reality like that for sure. I mean, look, I like, I actually, I'm going to take this to a more personal level though, is my daughter was when she was like one, maybe two years old, in between, you know, one and a half year, one and a half years old. She got, she got started getting really sick, really heating up and and just couldn't keep her temperature down no matter what we did every, every day we're having her at the doctor's office and doctors running tests, can't figure it out. And it's going on about a week. And she's, at this point, she's not keeping fluids down, you know, as soon as she drinks it or drinks anything, she's puking it back up. And you know, we had her in the ER a couple times and then they sent us home and they're like, look, next day, you come in, it's, it's ICU time. And I was like, oh, okay, this is bad. So,

37:37I actually call it demon that I worked with a lot, King Pymon. He's great for, for making, you know, getting, getting my jobs to, you know, whatever, whatever I need, little little things in the world they needed, he was always there. So I call him, he's like, hey, hey, this isn't my realm, I don't do healing. And I'm like, what, you know, see what you can do? And he's like, I'm telling you, I don't do healing. I was like, just do, do the best you can for me. She gets instantly worse, instantly, he just starts plummeting. And, and so I call him back. And I was like, what the hell is going on here, dude? And he says, I told you I don't do healing. You need to go to the Archangel rough. I am. And I was like, wait a minute, dude, you're a demonic King and you're telling me to go to an Archangel. What's going on here? He goes, I'm telling you to go to the best person for the job. She's a child. He will heal. And that is the thing. Cause like, if you're, if you're an awful person with all kinds of sin under your belt, angels might not heal you. But if you're a child, you know, they can come through. So I call call Raphael, didn't have a communication or a connection

38:41with them, just an understanding that his light was passing to her pretty much instant recovery, instant recovery. And then as she's, as her temperature is coming down and she's starting to coloring her cheeks again, give a call from the doctor, just got the test results back. It's this and this. We know exactly what to give her. Just bring her in and bring her in in the morning. If she's stabilizing, you should be good. But it was clear, it's clear sailing. And so for me, wow, it's like, it's fun to make little stuff happen in the world and to, to, to, to, manipulate people and do that kind of stuff. But when the rubber meets the road, my daughter wouldn't be alive if it weren't for magic. And so that's the kind of stuff that blows my mind. That makes me grateful. That makes me humble with the, the, it does make me humble. That's the thing. That's, that's the thing that people don't really understand from the outside. This stuff does not inflate your ego. It does the exact opposite. It makes you go, Oh, man, I'm so small and this power is so big. Oh, that's incredible. Thanks for sharing that dude. Yeah, that's crazy, man.

39:44Just out of curiosity, I'm trying to understand like exactly how, how it works. Whenever you're saying that like you called him up, like what is, what does that mean? Yeah, yeah. No, no, thank you. Thank you. Let's, let's break it down. All right. So at that time, I'm living in a little apartment, just, you know, a second story of apartment and my wife, at the time, ex-wife, she was, she was tolerant of everything. She wasn't really getting, you know, into it herself, but she would tolerate all my rituals. She can't have to. So I go into the living room and I lay down a, this is not so amateur, but I took a tape, just blue painter's tape and just made a circle out of the blue painter's tape, made a triangle out of the tape, and then laid my incense in there, just a bowl of incense. So with the incense, I'll use discs, just like hookah discs that I'll then put, like resin on top of. And so I did that, got candles at each of the corners of the triangle,

40:50and, and then start heaping incense on there and calling out to King Pinemon. And so with the calling out, I keep my invocations super simple, because what I'm trying to do, I'm not trying to get this flowery, sounding good thing. I'm just, I'm trying to get myself into a deep, deep state with my eyes open, still functioning, but give my mind as low as I can. And so King Pinemon come. King Pinemon come. And just continue that and just keep myself going lower and lower as I'm looking at the smoke. And now what starts happening there? It's not just electric, it's Toyota electric, and during Toyota's easy choice sales event, going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek, busy, the adventurous, busy, winlant, or the sporty CHR. But don't wait, these special savings won't last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places.

42:40You can feel the presence of the spirit come into the room. You can feel like your body constricts a bit, like it feels like it feels like you've got a compression suit on that gets a little bit tighter, it's a little harder to breathe, start getting a little dizzy, like it's, it does feel like it's, again, harder to breathe for sure. And then the, if you keep your eyes open, looking at the smoke, you're going to see strange things popping out of the smoke. A little, a little, you know, a puff of smoke will look like a skull or look like a serpent. And those are cool symbols, but the real, the real contact has happened behind the scenes inside your mind, that keeping yourself in that low place. The very first time I called King Pym on, in my mind, it was a voice coming from above me saying, who do you think you are to have called me? Now I was like, oh, the only answer for that is it's not me, it's God who's calling you here,

43:42it's not me, it is Yad Havav, it is, you know, if you just go through different God names of what resonates for you, because you're not calling them as a human, you're actually invoking divinity within you. And so I go through that whole repetition and, you know, he comes into a more cumbly form, but that is usually it's, there's going to be strange phenomenon flashing, you'll see, I'll see visibly flashing lights like the light in the room starts pulsing and all of that, but it's almost like that's, I treat that, or anything that's happening with my eyes is a distraction from the inner thing that's happening, the communication that's happening with them. Now one little, one actually big secret that I use to unlock it is, is this little rule here? If you want to get an answer, you have to ask a question, because most of the time when you're sitting in that state, it's like, okay, I'm on your here, thanks for coming, if you don't have anything to go on, it's, it doesn't really build, you've got to build it with your questions. So I say, bring three to five

44:46good questions into it. And so just start out, you know, who are you? You can have your first question, who are you? What's your name? That's actually a good question to start with if you don't know the spirit, so it can talk a bit about itself. And then just build on it from there, but you'll ask the, that's the question out loud. And most of the time, most of the time the answer just starts popping off in your head, usually in an inner voice that's not your own, it's a very clear different tone, a different, just a different everything, just injected into your mind. Now one cool thing about it is you can pause it, rewind it, and play it forward exactly the same way. If you miss out what it's saying, if you're trying to take notes and you're like, what, what, what, what, what, back up? It'll, whatever this, whatever's happening here, it is like it's playing a recording, because it'll go the exact same tone, not missing a beat, and it'll tell you the exact same thing again, almost like it's a free recorded message waiting for you to unpack it. And so that, now, now what I'm saying, when I'm saying most of the time, it'll be this inner experience, I'm saying that because you do have the side ball phenomenons where I'll see the

45:52person, I'll see the spirit in front of me, and it'll, it'll shock me, or you usually won't be dead in front of me, it'll be right off to the corner, it'll be in the peripheral vision, and I can see every detail of them until I look, or, or I'll hear something actually audibly and go, is somebody in the house or whatever, but most of the time, most of the communication is happening in the inner, but I'm gonna tell you what, that is just one thing with magic, there's, there's no one path for it, everybody has their own unique path, so with that, I'd actually like to hear from Byron what his experience with evocation, spirit contact, and all of that is like, because he might have a completely different perspective. Let's go. Well, so just a frame it too, because I think this is, you kind of hinted at it before how's a big part of your magical practice, but before I get into some of my stuff, I just want to say, you know, there's like these key moments in like the evolution of magic, you know, like Crowley was one of those, you know, he was kind of the first brought like yoga to the scene, and all that stuff too, a lot of people forget about the whole yoga thing,

46:55and how important that was, you know, they need like, like Austin Osmond Spare coming up with sigils, which later, you know, was with the chaos magic, chaos magic blew a lot off the roof when it came to the development of magic, even the satanic Bible, you know, but one of those key moments in the evolution of magic, I think comes predominantly from Eric and his emphasis and constant emphasis and breakdown of evocation. I think that's one of those things that I think there's a lot of people that don't even understand how important that is, you know, that was at the time that you're emphasizing all of that, because you know, like I've heard people say like they've tried golden dawn, OOTO, WCA, nothing worked until they found you, and not just in not just little kids either, I mean like people in their 40s and 50s effort say that, and so, well, you know, let me actually let me start just interrupt you real quick, and one of the big things that I feel like I was able to bring to the scene with spirit summoning was a breakdown of the elementary principles of evocation,

48:02and I'm not going to go through all of them, but I've got seven elementary principles, you know, in investing yourself in the spirit working with a usable system. I've got these principles that are like no matter what system you're working with, these always appear, and so make sure you do these, and if you do these, you're going to have a successful evocation, and sure enough, that is, it is most magic works that way. It's a science that if you plug in the right details, you're going to get the result, but turn it back to you, Byron. Yeah, so I just really want to kind of frame that real quick, because I think it's really important how important evocation is, it's like one of the main pillars of magic, and it's always been kind of a mystery, you know, because you did just write books, so you put out a, you know, a course on it, and then, you know, just constantly talking about it in your live streams and your, in your videos, I think that was super important in the evolution of magic. Like I said, I don't think you get the props you deserve for that. I don't think I think I think it went over a lot of people's heads how important that was. He's a fucking. Nothing, nothing, nothing great is ever created with the expectation of props.

49:07Like, you got to just do what you're doing. Some of my stuff flops, some of my stuff, oh my god, that was a shitty book. But sometimes he, sometimes he hit it, but you just got to keep doing the thing. Yeah, totally. Yeah, so, so what's the question? It's like thought on like evocation and stuff. What's the subjective experience for you like when you're working with the spirit? Is it, you know, are you getting into, because I get into a really deep, like almost internal psychedelic state with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, you know, especially if I'm doing magic indoors, I try to do like a series of warmups and meditations and stuff and really activate everything. That helps a lot. I find it's like, let's say you're warm, it's like a chakra meditation. You know, and do all that, you know, I'll also activate the shockers of my hands and feet, but also my eyeballs. And I really feel like, you know, when you're running a grounding course, every time you're breathing in, you got those energy coming from the earth up here.

50:09And then, you know, the same thing coming from the cosmos. And then when you have both your eyeballs and your third eye also activated, it makes it really in hands and feet. So it makes it really easy to charge the schedule and really get into a magical state of mind. But as far as like communication goes, yeah, you know, it's basically the same thing. Like, it kind of depends on the spirit. Sometimes it's so profound where you can see everything crystal clear. And the back and forth is happening really fast and clear. You know, but other times, like I said, like you were saying, it's a it's an intermonologue. And it's usually like the first thing you hear in your head too, when you're asking these questions and you're in this moment and stuff. You know, a lot of beginners, they might struggle with that in a might take them a while. You know, like, they'll probably just get downloads as it goes on. You know, but when you, but I'm sorry, not to get you guys off real quick, when you are getting some kind of a message, is it like any at all like a long or dialogue or is it like a word or two? Because I feel like I've had experiences where

51:11I've heard some voice and it was just like one word, you know, and I was like, well, where'd that come in? And it kind of freaked me out because I felt like I could actually hear it, you know, and it was just one singular word. And so I just thought, yeah, some of your thoughts on that. I've got my like my evocation of Michael here was, let me see. So I say, do you have a message for me? I just open question, right? Do you have a message for me? He says, keep going. We almost lost you. And then she, she got dark for a minute there. And she got a real dark for me for a minute there. So he goes, we almost lost you. Never lose hope. Not because I am with you or some other helper helps you, but because you have yourself, never lose hope. Keep going. So that was my message from Michael, the Archangel, right? I just asked him to message for me. He's like, this is what, and so the way that that appears to me is just keep going was the first thing. It's just boom, I understood it. It's just popped in my head. Keep going. So I

52:12write it down. And I was writing this as, as I'm getting the message, keep going. As soon as I've got that written down, the next, the next thing just starts coming. It just starts coming and it gets to the point when you get used to it, we'll let me back up. Byron says it can be difficult for, for beginners. The difficulty is trusting yourself. Yeah. Just getting yourself out of the way and going, you know what? I asked the question. This is, I'm whatever comes through. I'm just going to write it down and just I'll play make believe in all evaluate it later. So now with this, this is a really clear message. And luckily for me, it was in English. It's not always the case. I've gotten messages in Portuguese. I don't speak Portuguese. I've never listened to Portuguese in my life. I've gotten messages in Portuguese. I've had to go in translation. I've had messages appeared to me in Aramaic that I've had to translate. And so, and with that, they're not, it's not that the spirit doesn't speak my language. It's that they're wanting me to go search it out and find out because in studying Aramaic, I found out how it all about some of the first gnostics that exist in, existed in Nabitea. And that just led me down whole rabbit hole. So,

53:17it's like they were waving a flag, but kind of making me chase them down the rabbit hole. Like, like Byron said, they leave their fingerprints on everything. And so it's like, once you start seeing it, it's like, oh, okay, yeah, just follow, follow it down the rabbit hole. Now, how many times do you get the answer to the question before you even ask the question? Like, right before. Like, probably, probably all the time, huh? Like most of the time, right? It's not just electric. It's Toyota Electric. And during Toyota's easy toy sales event, going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek, busy, the adventurous, busy, woodland, or the sporty CHR. But don't wait, these special savings won't last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. Meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer. It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire? Try them all only at McDonald's.

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55:30next question because I wanted to ask a budding question off of the answer that I had just gotten. You know, so it's like, it's wild. It's such a crazy thing that goes on. But I, you know, in that instance, I felt as if there was like an absolute some kind of powerful communication that I was having. But then I have other experiences, whether I'm in deep meditation or something like that where I'm really trying to essentially hollow out the mind and open up some space for otherworldly, so to say, communication. And most of the time, it almost sounds like it's like my higher self of sorts. If I'm not necessarily calling upon anybody, like maybe just a higher version of me or something like that. And so whenever you guys are calling upon certain certain beings, like are you the answers that you're receiving in your mind once you've hollowed it out? Are you just understanding that that is exactly who you are communicating with? How does that work in your mind? So like, for example, I did a I did a terror reading the other day

56:35on myself. And I was really like trying to figure something out. It was kind of like a very important question that I wanted to ask. And I have this this little crystal that one of our one of our favorites gave to us. And it's a it's a little panda. And whenever I gotten that, I was like instantly, I associate that with my grandmother, who who passed away about 15, 20 years ago, right? And so specifically, whenever I had that crystal on top of the terror deck, I was specifically calling upon her, right? And I don't know, maybe that's that sounds wild, but I was like, I'm just going to trust it. And whatever reading that I get, I am going to have faith that this is the message that she is giving me. Nobody else, nothing else, it is only her, right? And whenever I got that message, bang, it was exactly like, dude, it was so crazy because it was like a three-card draw that I did. And it was it was almost exactly how she would say it was the message that I got. And I was like, man, it just it never seems to amaze me. It never seems to not amaze me,

57:37rather. And it's like, so basically my question is, is that whenever you're calling upon said energy, is that are you just assuming that whatever voice pops into your head that that's exactly where that information's coming from? Well, that's a great question because not always, you know, that not always. So you do have to develop a bit of a familiarity. The first time you encounter a spirit, you know, like somehow a lot of us get lucky that the first time we call King Pymon, he's the one that actually shows up and is like, hey, you know, and it starts working with you, because other things imposter could show up. And that's that that is why I say to ask the ask the spirit its name. If you're not sure who it is, just take that extra step of going, you're welcome, welcome to my temple. Thank you for coming. What's your name? And a spirit like for instance, Azazel, he's not just going to say Azazel, he's usually going to follow it up by, you know, I am Azazel, Lord of Saturn and that kind of rags about himself from that. That's

58:42that that's usually what the spirits will do is they'll they'll name maybe a couple of their epithets or they'll just tell you their name. Tricks your spirits will try to try to get out of the question and then you can do another further test of how to then sign their name. And so you pass them a notebook and what they'll do is they'll just kind of usually wave their hand over it and then you look at it with your psychic vision and you can see the imprint. It's like you look at the page and it looks like it's glowing like a little glowing wherever they signed it and they can there's like supposedly a role you know a spirit can't sign a name other than their own. I don't know how I don't know how secure that is but whatever seems to work enough. But but so there are things like that that you can do but it is largely going to be a matter of familiarity. If your grandma comes up and gives you a hug from behind you, you can feel that's your grandma and not the guy that you owe money to, you know, that you can feel the essence of that person. And so that this comes back to the conversation about almonds too. What's important, it's not that the fire

59:45happened in Vegas and the billboard said this thing, it's the fact that I noticed it that exact time and it meant something to me that I took it in and I said, oh that's significant. That's the only thing that's really important and because there are a million things that I'm ignoring while that one thing stands out to me. And so it's not just electric, it's Toyota electric and during Toyota's easy toy sales event going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek busy, the adventurous busy woodland or the sporty CHR but don't wait, these special savings won't last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. Meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer. It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all only at McDonald's.

1:00:49It's not just electric, it's Toyota electric and during Toyota's easy toy sales event going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek busy, the adventurous busy woodland or the sporty CHR but don't wait, these special savings won't last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. Similarly, as you're doing the reading, I do all, I do readings a lot for my daughter. I do readings for like clients and stuff. My daughter is a thing. She comes to me all the time with everything she's got. And she's like 20 years old at this point. So she's got all kinds of stuff going on in her life. She needs help with. I'm happy to guide her. But with that, a lot of times, all four down the cards and I'll look at them go, dude, there's nothing there. You got to reshopple. I don't know. Maybe you weren't thinking about it. Maybe, but I'll look at cards and I can just feel confusion. And I'm like, you got to, you got to hit that again. And so you, so,

1:01:53so with that, that feeling of discernment, I think that that takes precedence over all things. You can, you know, you can feel if somebody is lying to you and you can feel if they're being honest to you, you've got to use that same discernment. This is, you know, biblical, the discernment of spirits. This is a gift that I think is embedded into us to be able to, you know, to be able to tell that. So, but why are you about what, what, what, what, what, what discernment do you use? And how do you know if you're talking to the real guy? Yeah. So, I'm going to make to that, that first evocation, I guess the first sensation I'll feel like, like as a spirit approaches and stuff, is like a drop in pressure, you know, like, like, I'll feel that right away. But I get this, kind of like a feeling in my ears, where it's almost like the sound changes, almost feels like it's been like a vacuum chamber or something, you know, but, but yeah, so with discernment, you know, I feel like that's something, you know, like, you know, a Pisces, where the echo come from.

1:02:56But that's something like a Pisces will pick up on really quick, because every Pisces I know, you know, had that ability at a young age, you know, but, you know, like a lot of Pisces, so they can, they can be hypercontriacs, you know, like, you know, she's not like that anymore, but, you know, my, my woman's a Pisces, but for discernment, man, you know, that's a tricky thing. I think some of it, it depends on the person, because some people are just naturally good at it. For, for me, it took a while of, like learning how to tell people are lying is a big one, you know, and even, and this is where I think like sometimes like the occult and conspiracies mesh really well, because it's the same kind of muscle when you can like look at the news and know that it's a flat out lie, you know, so I think that same muscle applies to the occult. So I think, you know, some of that stuff, one thing that helped me a lot with doing it quicker and picking up on that

1:04:00stuff, I think was the emotion code and muscle testing, you know, but for a long time, for a long time, you had this logical part of your brain that wants to second guess it, you know, it's one of the things where it's like the first voice is almost always right, but that second doubting voice is almost always wrong, you know, so you got to just kind of, once you pick up on that, but as far as spirits go with the triggers and stuff, you know, I don't know, I think that's something like beginners would have to deal with more than anyone else, because you know, there's a saying, you know, you can have cats or you can have pests, you know, so I think once you establish like a relationship with with a few spirits and you're working with them, I think a lot of that is just going to kind of rectify itself. So just kind of like relying on your intuition a bit in understanding that like, you know, especially after a while, you know, season vets like y'all,

1:05:04it's it's probably just second nature that you know if you're being fucked with, you know, if you're being told the truth kind of thing. Well, let me actually, let me go a little to do maybe a different area of this too, it's not all on us and what I mean by that is my first evocation of Azazel. So Azazel is known as the the scapegoat and he was one of the fallen angels that came here and taught men's sorcery and warfare, all the cool stuff in life. And he, so I do my evocation of him, but I've just had him know where I was like, you know, I'm going to try this spirit, I've heard his name a few times and I'll just reach out to him and see if he can help me with a book release I was doing at the time. And so I I, I called him and I said, thank you for coming so quickly when I called you. And he said, no, thank you for coming so quickly when I called you. And I was like, well, what do you mean? I did it. And I explained I broke it down for him. I'm like, I did a whole

1:06:06evocation that I created so I could call you. And he goes, and you did that because I was telling you to do that because I needed to talk to you. And I was like, oh, dang, okay, that, that, that flips the whole thing over on its head then is if you, if you're, if you're being pulled to call a specific spirit, it's not like you've got to weed through all the, all the spirits are out there. No, it's already standing right next to you. And so here's what I'm actually going to say is if you start getting that inkling of I want to call, I want to call a spirit. I want to call this specific spirit. Just run it around in your mind. What would a ritual for this spirit look like? What kind of, what kind of ritual would it want? Would it want a bunch of candles? What color of candles? Let yourself, because what's happening as you're asking yourself these questions, you don't know the answers. The spirit's going to start filling in the blanks for you. And so you're going to start, you know, just as you, as you start to ponder about it, you're going to start having the entire ritual that's just designed for you, you know, exactly what to do. Sometimes a lot of times actually people will start getting visions

1:07:09of the place they need to do it. They're like, oh, there's a spot in the woods. I forgot all about and now I'm going to go there and set up this ritual because they're being guided by it. So, so the spirit's already guiding you. It's not that there's not a huge amount of effort actually in calling it. It's already there. The biggest effort is in relaxing, dropping your own walls and letting it happen. Oh my. That's great, dude. The way that you've covered some of this tonight has just been so like, it's exciting. You know what I mean? It's like you're pulling us into your, into your realm, dude, and it's just exciting. I wanted to ask one question though, because you did mention the trickster spirits. If you can, like, what is your understanding of the trickster spirits? Why are there trickster spirits? What is there? Obviously, they want to trick us, but like, why? What's going on with that? It's not just electric. It's Toyota electric. And during Toyota's easy toy sales event, going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special

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1:09:13But why? The most of them are low level vampires. I'm going to say most of them are low level vampires. They're little spirits. And why they exist, man, there's a million things in this reality that exists. I'm not sure why they exist. But as far as they're concerned, they're trying to get attention. Okay, so let me back up. There's a guy Mark Passio. If you haven't checked out, you've got check him out. He's done a lot of really cool things and understanding the occult symbolism that's everywhere in the world around us. And he introduced me to this concept. There are only two, there are two currencies that are universal. Every spirit will accept these currencies. And in fact, if you use these currencies in your life and your business and whatever, they do pay off, and that's your time and your attention. Everything is trying to get your time and your attention. And so that's the offering you can give any spirit or anything that you want to increase in your life. If something's not working out, well,

1:10:15if somebody's treating like shit, give them less of your time and attention, you see how they just go away. The things that you want to enhance in your life, give it more of your time and attention, they just flourish. And including the bad things, something bad's going on. If you give it a bunch of your time and attention, it gets worse and worse and worse. And so these are universal currencies. And so these tricks for spirits are coming through trying to get some attention, just trying to get it. And the way I visualize it, and they're not like full-bodied spirits, it's almost like a floating sperm floating around or it looks like it actually to me looks a lot like on the movie Ghost, the the little black things that pull people to hell. I don't know if you saw the movie Ghost with Patrick Swazie, but it's just like these black shadows that are just kind of lingering around. Like a race, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like a little, like a not very well formed race. Yeah. And what they're trying to do is they're trying to get your energy. No,

1:11:15the way that they can, you can see a progression here. And first, what they're trying to do is they're trying to get whatever attention they're trying to get your, they're trying to vampirize your time and attention to get your energy. And so first, they'll just start moving things around and you know, open and cover door workers and turn it on and off television sets. But something really dangerous happens if there's anybody in the house that gets afraid of them. If anybody gets afraid, why that's dangerous is that's a ton of energy. You just dump down all over that spirit. And then it starts learning something. It's like, oh, wait a minute, because these are actually really, they're not, they're not intelligent at all. They're really operating on a primitive, like animalistic type of instinct. So they're looking at that going, oh, I got to get me more of that. That was good energy. Let me see what I can do to enhance the fear. And so then they start causing nightmares and they start causing, you know, sometimes the full on attacking people to try to get that fear to response. So this is why when people say that they've, you know, they're like, oh, all I need to do is call the name of Jesus. It doesn't matter the name of Jesus. You could be talking about

1:12:19rice crispies as long as you're doing it in an authentically competent voice. You were centered in yourself and you're not afraid. That's the ticket right there is to to counteract the fear by whatever else you can and push it out. But you also got to be careful of not feeding them anger or jealousy. If you've got these kinds of things happening. So one of the things that I started to notice in is I've just called it the spirit of contention. If you start arguing in the house, you kind of notice like a snowball. Other people start arguing. The cats start fighting with each other and it creates this momentum. You've got to do a full, a full banishing. Get some sage out, ban and banish it out, open the windows and let some fresh air in or, you know, say a prayer. Whatever it is that your system is to banish that negative energy. But treat it like an infesting spirit because it is. And it's going to start tormenting you because you get a look at this as an energy play. Everything's trying to get energy. I'm trying to get energy. Now, love the energy I get off of coming on shows like this and talking to cool people and whatever. These little nasty things get

1:13:21their energy from low sources, low sources. And so they're going to try to stimulate it whatever through arguments and things like that. And yeah, again, just without fear, cast them out with full confidence. We do have, we do have an ability to set sacred space. That's like a spiritual thing that was given to us and, you know, go back to the Bible. We're made in the image of God. I take that very literally that we are actually, we are living God. We are made in the in the likeness and with all of the power of our creator and our existence is a matter of trying to unlock all of and remember it because we've forgotten. But with that, God, the Almighty Creator has the ability to create boundaries and go, this is the universe. Here's your solar system and creates boundaries within which things can happen. And this is why you create the circle in the magical space. You are acting as God creating a boundary. And so, and this isn't even just in Christianity. Let's look at it from the Norse mythology. Same thing the gods did. As soon as they killed the first giant emir,

1:14:26they pulled his flesh down, they pulled down his eyebrows and they put a boundary around mid guard and around their own, their own as guard. So they're like, we're going to, we got to be protected. We got to have a sacred space. So that is something you can create that sacred space around your home, drawing a circle around your home is actually a really good idea. You know, even if you're not under attack, that's, we're living in a war where there's a warfare going on everywhere around us. There are symbols being blasted at us. There are people using technology against us. There are mass manipulation campaigns going on. You got to, you got to be able to come into your house and have that be your sacred space. And so absolutely, go around your property with a bag of salt and just draw a salt circle around your property and, you know, whatever your neighbors will think you're weird, but you'll be safe. Dude, all right. So I've been stewing on asking you this question because you had mentioned it earlier and I was like, oh my god, I feel like you just unlocked something in my own mind. And then you kind of just touched on it again a little bit there,

1:15:27talking about made in the, in the image of God, made in the likeness of God and stuff like that, essentially, you know, little pieces of God, you know, like a drop in the ocean ocean, ocean in a drop kind of thing, whatever you want to call it. But it's, you know, you had mentioned earlier about how you were like one of your first invocations or revocations. You, you had the the spirit come on. What the hell was his name? King Pymon, right? And you had mentioned about like, all right, well, you knew that he was there, but then you started saying like, you know, well, Yode Vave or whatever calling on essentially like the name of God. And that's in that instance, are you, are you almost like embodying the highest version of God at that point to be able to command this spirit? Indeed, indeed. Because you're sort of like walking as the God and embodying 100%. So here's dude, you just, yeah, one, you just opened the box that makes this whole thing happen. Let's go. The guy that, the, me, the person that takes out the trash and washes the dishes,

1:16:32I can't make miracles happen, right? I'm a monkey. I'm a monkey. This figure in this year, that. And so what's actually what you need to do is one of the first aspects of any ritual is turn it over. You know, you, you become a vessel for the higher thing that you wouldn't call into yourself. So, so I work quite a bit with the principle of Yode Have, which that's not Jehovah. Jehovah's this fake God that was created from this principle, but I'm talking about a principle of pure light and pure creation and nothing but good involved in that. Not the only reason. I mean, as much as I can till I'm glowing with that. And so when I'm speaking the words, because yeah, it was a challenge that he gave me. Who are you to call me? No, I know. The first instinct I had is, you know, run away. I'm nobody. And that's actually good. You are nobody. We're nobody. That's that's the exactly way. Because it's not me that's doing this. No, it is the highest of the high. It is the almighty himself speaking through me. And to be honest,

1:17:34as you're saying this, you got to get into a bit of a crazy land. Because, you know, saying these things in public conversation with people that sound silly and sounds, but when you're actually doing it in your own ritual, you are fully commanding it and there's no doubt about it in ceremonial magic. They call this assumption of God forms. So they actually choose which God you want to inhabit. Find out if do they do they in all of their depictions, are they always sitting down? Are they standing up? You do exactly what they do? Are they holding their hand in a specific way? You hold your hand in that way. And then you sit there and become them and let them come out and start moving through you. And so it is, it's like possession. But when we think of possession, we think a small version of possession of like some little wandering spirit popping into you. But this is possession by by the highest forces. And so yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So that sounds like a lot like, sorry, sorry, sorry, then it's through that that that the whole thing happened. It's actually you're getting out of your way and letting the light of of the creator source or

1:18:38whatever you want to say, that's just moving through you and making that stuff happen. And with that, the things that you speak, that's the voice of God. That is the commandment of the Almighty upon the world. But you've got to honor that by not getting your own bullshit in the way. And so if you feel like like, if that comes through you and you're like, you know what, Azazel, you are not going to be summoned tonight. Give night. I'm shutting this thing down. You've got to honor that. You can't you can't push against it. You've got to open yourself up and keep yourself an open vessel. Oh, man. Dude, this almost this this might get sound kind of crazy. And some people are going to think that it's downright blasphemous. But that's okay. That almost sounds exactly like what Jesus was doing. Am I tripping by saying that? I don't think so. Like, you know, he's coming on the father, right? That nobody goes to the father except through me, right? Like, is that not like him saying it? But people misunderstood it and misinterpreted kind of thing. Dude, when when Jesus heals,

1:19:39was it the blind person, you know, everyone's around like, Jesus Christ, how'd you do that? And he was just like, dude, that's nothing. You guys can probably do a way cooler shit than that. Right. Holy shit. I think he got to me for that too, right? hung is asked. No, that one that 100% was Jesus's big teaching is, is, you know, don't don't worship me. I'm nobody. I'm nobody. It's the father. The deserves all of the praise. And he's inside of you. Good news. He's already inside of you. You don't have to go anywhere. You don't have to do anything. He the father is already inside of each of us. And like, like Byron just said, all of the miracles that I'm doing, you can do too. And even greater things because that's the real point of it. He's like, I'm doing some cool stuff for sure. You can do this to and even greater things as he's dying and resurrecting himself. He's telling us you can do better than this. Come on, guys. Step it up. You need to get overlooked quite a bit, I think. It's almost like, why would you worship the wizard, bro? He was showing you the way. You don't have to worship him in that sense. Like,

1:20:42understand what he was trying to say. But like to turn him into an idol, I think that that's exactly not what he wanted. Right? Meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer. It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all only at McDonald's. It's not just electric. It's Toyota Electric. And during Toyota's easy-to-choice sales event, going electric is easier than ever. Right now, save instantly on a new Toyota EV with special incentive programs for first time EV buyers and prior EV owners. Choose the sleek busy, the adventurous busy woodland or the sporty CHR. But don't wait. These special savings won't last. We make it easy. Toyota, let's go places. Meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer. It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all only at

1:21:48McDonald's. There are the three tests of Satan. The three temptations of Christ, the Satan gave them. So the first was to be able to transmute water, you know, Jesus is fasting for 40 days of 49. The Satan comes to him and says, Hey, you're awfully hungry, awfully thirsty, aren't you? Once you take those stones and you can just command those stones to turn into bread and water, you can do it. You know that, right? And he goes, Oh, you gotta do worship me. And I'll give you that power. And Jesus does that. I don't need to worship you. I don't need bread and water. I can survive on the spirit alone. Thank you very much. Satan goes, Okay, well, take them up above the above Jerusalem, shows him all the Jerusalem and supposedly the whole world. And it says, all of this can be yours. All of this will be under your dominion. If you worship me, Jesus, not I'm not going to worship you. Like, I don't need all of this. Everything is already in my father's hands. Not going to worship you. Third, third test was take some up giant peak where he says,

1:22:51if you jump down, if you worship me, you can fall down and you won't die. I'll make you immortal. He's no, no, no, I'm not going to worship you. Now in the hidden story here, in rejecting worship, in just rejecting worship, he got all three of those things. He had the ability, because he came out of that all of a sudden, he's transmuting water into wine. He's raising the dead. He's doing exactly that. He just, Christianity is one of the biggest religions all over the face of the earth. It worked. His spell fucking was cast and it worked. He did, you know, get immortality supposedly physically, but in any way that the myth is read, he's an immortal figure. So he gained all three of those things. And so the lesson I get from this is he's saying, don't worship. Don't worship anything. You'll get what you want. As soon as you start worshiping, that's when you're going to lose all of these things. I've never heard this before. That makes the most amount of sense though, doesn't it? Wow, I feel like you just unlocked the next level, dude.

1:23:55I'm not even lying. And then let's, let's go even a further step. And this goes back to like, are the demons really bad? Jesus and Jesus is being followed around the whole time by one spirit. He has a familiar spirit that's following him around all the time, always talking to him, yapping in his ear. It's not the Archangel Michael. It's not Gabriel. It is Satan. It is Satan walking alongside him every step of the way. You're going to try to tell me this dude's not a sorcerer. Of course, he's a sorcerer. He's got the devil in your health walking beside him. Wow. That's crazy. Dude, I love it. All right. Now I'm kind of excited to go to church on one of these Sundays now, just to look at it from that angle. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, geez, that is so crazy. And this is the thing. And Byron, you always talk about it. It's almost like you're, it's like a divine right, almost, to be able to work with magic in a sense.

1:24:55And it's like, you know, you, your famous saying is like, your mind is a weapon. Keep it loaded. Right. And I just find that like, you know, and combining it with what we're talking about right here, dude, we're fucking all sorcerers in that sense, right? Like we all have the ability to do these things and manipulate our surroundings. And in that sense, it's like, and then you got other people that are like, I don't know, maybe they're, they're worshiping a certain deity or something like that. And it's almost like, man, I feel like you just don't understand what you're doing. And you're just doing what your parents told you to do and stuff like that. Well, like, what do you really know about it? You know, other than just what everybody else is doing and I don't know. I always found it fascinating that somebody could, could call themselves religious or that they're a certain follower of said icon or whatever, but then they don't really even know the stories of it. You know, it's kind of like they're just doing it out of tradition at that point. And which is, who's that helping? And you know, I think it's one of those things too. For one, they, most of them miss the point, you know, about the whole meaning of the book and everything. And

1:25:59then it's just, you know, you know, you can pray and everything and pray and one thing that'll help, you know, blessing your food. And you know, you can, you know, you can pray and everything and pray and one thing that'll help, you know, blessing your food before you do that's huge. You know, but you have to do a work and this is where people get really messed up because they think of magic is something that's like separate from them like it's evil, you know, but it's like, it's the part of us is the most real. It's the part of us is like linked closest to the creator and all of creation, you know, everyone has the ability to do this. And, you know, let me actually go a little, just a one step further than that. It's not even, it's not even that everybody could, but

1:27:05they don't, no, no, no, it's worse than that. Everybody is creating their reality accidentally. Intentionally. Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, you know, every single thought that you have, so let's just take this. If you think about something, that's just a thought form, that's just a thought it's, guys, it's not nothing really, but as soon as you start attaching energy through emotion to that thought, it starts creating a bubble of energy or even a stream of energy that connects that thing to, to manifesting. And so you, you start thinking you're at work, you know, working away and you're like, God, my wife's such a bitch. She was, and you start grumbling about it. And you know, like, I bet she's going to be in a bad mood when you're manifesting every bit of that. And so it's not, it's not just the people could use magic and they're, people are using sloppy magic. They're using unintentional magic, right? Because every thought you think, every word you speak is just powerful. Yeah. It's sort of like, like, when you read books on like New York linguistic programming, one of the things that may clear when it comes to the ethics of it

1:28:07is you can't not influence people. So it's kind of the same thing with magic, you know, you can't not do magic. Everyone's doing magic all the time, you know, and how many people do you see out in the matrix, man, that are like people that you care about and love that are just like cursing themselves over and over and over and over again. Can you imagine going through like public school and then like working in a factory to working like some other thing going through divorces and never even understanding the importance of cleaning your aura. Imagine how many people are just so gunky and beat down from life and then they just become magnets for it. Right. Right. Once you go through a certain point, you know, and right. I think when, when people allow their ego to really drive, you know, everything in their reality, they, they tend to forget, you know, like, I think Jonathan's brought this up before. If you just look at yourself as a human that you are there to take care of, almost like that higher version of yourself looking out for the thing that is you, you would definitely want to do everything could to take care of that thing.

1:29:10But because you are inside of this body for whatever reason, it's almost easier to just kind of succumb to the, those lower energies of the ego. Oh, dude, you forget that you're not you. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the crazy thing. Like, you think that you are the avatar, but it's, that's why we always talk about like, and that's literally the reason why every single episode we have a meditation to try and remind us that we are not the avatar. We're kind of just, uh, you know, aware of it and, you know, you could say in control of it and whatnot. But, you know, and this is a quote that we always say, and this is probably young. I thought about it, and then I saw you typing it in to find it because we never get it right. This is beautiful. Yes. Carl Young's fame is quote, now I'm going to get this fucking tattooed on me, bro. Because I think you got to that way. You can read it. You know, just have it pulled up. What did I say again? But he goes until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate. And that is exactly like, you know, if you're unaware that you're a magician

1:30:13in for a lack of a better one magic that you're doing. You're doing the ass in the magic. Yeah. Like all that shit you're talking. Oh, I suck at this. Or I'm never going to get this. And it's like, yes, yes, here's my wand granting you this wish, you know, in that sense. And it's like, man, if we only knew the power, you know, it's crazy. Oh, yeah. And you can flip, you can flip situations. Let's go back to the other situation. You know, you're getting ready for work and your wife's going to be in that, not that friendly. You go off to work. If you spend your work day thinking about how awesome she is appreciating her and, and you know, maybe even thinking about what you've done wrong, how you can do better, you're probably going to get home to a wife that's done the exact same thing. She's probably spent the whole day doing the same thing and you get to the door and she's, I'm so sorry, baby, this morning was a disaster. I love you so much. But because, you know, you can, you can. And this is actually a fun little game to play with your reality. If you feel the energy of something moving

1:31:13and way you don't like, all right, let me actually take a step back actually because what you were saying and then I'm here about becoming, you're not the avatar until you choose to be. And, and you can step into it and, and, and I've got a little, I've got something that works from A Three Breaths. I take three intentional breaths. Just breathe, hold it, release after three breaths. I'm there. And then I can, I can operate from actually being present, but you see yourself wandering off and drifting off in Napoleon Hill wrote another book called Outweeting the Devil. He's his publisher wouldn't let him publish this book while he was alive. His kids tried to publish it. They wouldn't let him publish it either because this book is Napoleon Hill taking all of his self-help philosophy and putting it into a conversation he has with the devil. And so he goes, you know, Satan, how, if you were going to, if you were going to stop me from all the good things I'm going to do in this world, how would you do it? I want to know exactly your plan. And then he goes through exactly how people are thrown off course and he goes every time what it comes down to

1:32:15is just one thing. And that's the drift, the drift, that you're not paying attention. You took your hands off the wheel. Life is going, okay, it's going, okay, you don't need to pay that much attention. And so you don't, he'll have, it's just drifting. And you can drift in a car as if you're not going too fast, just coast along. You can drift for a few minutes before it causes an issue, but sooner or later it causes a situation. And so every problem that you, you can track down when your life's gone off the rails is because you took your hands off and let it drift. And so the, the thing is is to have your daily practices that every day you're becoming present that you're engaging with a meditation, a prayer or ritual, something that you're harnessing yourself and going, you know what, I'm not going to drift today. I'm actually, you know, so for me, little personal addition to this is I'm going to recovering addict. I'm coming on three years sober, be the main. That's all I'm with that. Thank you. Thank you. And that is a daily thing. Just every day, every day, you know, I'm not going to meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer.

1:33:17It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all only at my thumbs. You fuck up my life with using that shit ever again today. Today is my day of just being so. And and with that kind of thing, I also do the same with it. Today is my day of just being happy. I'm I've been working through this discipline lately of trying to only wish well on every living thing. And that's that's hard because there are people that piss me off. There are bugs that annoy me. There's little things in life. And so there's a discipline that I'm picking up from Buddhism and stuff. I'm just just wishing well, trying to make that come from an authentic place of love and do it. It's hard. But that's why it's a discipline. And so all of these things make sure you're doing something every day that's that's making you grab that steering wheel and hold onto it and push life in the direction you want to go. That's great. Just like you said earlier, you know, two of the most valuable things you have is your time and your attention. And so it just depends on where you're

1:34:19you are directing that. And we have the power to direct it basically anywhere really. You know, even in the bad. So you know what's funny too is that we were out by the pool yesterday. And I live in apartment complex. They got a pool right in the middle. And so me and my son went out there and my wife went out there as well. And when we were out there, there was this wasp that was like flying around and it like flew down and got stuck in the water. And you could see it was like pretty cool. It was like swimming with its little arms and shit. And in my mind, I'm thinking of like, you know, Buddhism in a sense because my old self would have said, fuck that wasp. I'm killing it. I'm drowning it right now. Like I don't want it to be a part of my life at all, right? And that's what she wanted to do. She was like, kill it drown it. Like you don't want to get stung. Do you know what I'm going to pick. I'm going to lift it up out of the water. And I'm just going to set it on the side, you know, and just let it live a little bit, right? And she goes, oh, that's stupid. It's just going to come back and sting you. And I was like, ah, you know, maybe it'll show me a little love because I just saved its life, right? When you know it, dude, like three minutes later,

1:35:22I get stung by the motherfucker. And I'm like, all right. Like I thought I was doing the right thing. I get stung for it. I'm like, what's going on here? And so I don't know. Maybe that was just like a little wash. Here's my, here's my, here's my evaluation of that. He shouldn't have said that. She put that into the universe. She shouldn't have put that in the universe. She should have said that's really sweet to you, baby. That big, that, that wasp is going to fly away and love life and not it up. But, but, but, you say, yeah, I'm, uh, my friends, my friends, I'll do that. I'll be like, you can't put that in the universe. Because every word you speak is a spell for sure. But, so I had last year, I'm just sitting on my back torch just chilling and this wasp flies and gets right in my face. And same thing, old me would have snatched them then squeezed it right away. And, uh, and I'm like, ah, it's not actually doing anything. Well, it's just chilling. It's kind of cute. It actually kind of, if you look at wasps of clothes, they kind of look like

1:36:24dogs. Like they kind of like have a floppy dogness to them. And so I'm like, oh, it's kind of cute. So it lands on my coffee cup and like my coffee mud that has like a little hole to sip out of. And there's like a ring of coffee that it's sipping off of. I'm like, you know, I'll let it drink my coffee. Every morning I come out there and per for about a month and it will come out there and be with me. And so I started putting out, um, and it never stung me once. So I put out a little pile of honey. I was just like, yeah, it's just to see. You know, I want to just squeeze some honey out on this log that I've got out there. Sure enough, a ton of wasps come around and they start, uh, they were, they were coming around me treating me like, like a friend. Like they were just buzzing around me. One of them landed on my nose. And that's that that was more of a dis, I kind of shooted away as gently as I could, but, uh, but it was, uh, yeah, it was like probably a good month or two that I just had this beautiful daily relationship with these, these, these be or these wasps. I had, I had, I had to learn all about them because I thought they were bees because I

1:37:27didn't know the difference and I had to look it up and like, oh, no, these are actually wasps. And here's the cool spiritual significance of that or whatever, but, um, but with this, this made me unravel this massive teaching with my direction with these wasps. I do the same thing with cats. I've got cats that have become pets. Um, and all I've all I've had to do is just put food out and there's, I've, I lived next to the wilderness, so little, you're on a way cats and stuff will come, uh, come, eat the food, make friends with them. And I was thinking about it and I was like, that's really similar to the way that we interact with the divine or we act interact with our gods or our spirits. Speaking in English back and forth, sure that works, but that's like, um, that's not a pure communication because that's not how they think that's not how they communicate. So they're having to slow their messages way down. A more pure communication between two species is through gifts that you give it something you think it's going to like like he and the idea of gifts is you give it something it's going to like, it's easy for you to get like any kind of food

1:38:30item or things like that incense candles, the two, you know, again, the two currencies of time and attention, it's easy for you to just pay a little bit of attention to these things and then they give you gifts of sometimes the miracles happening in your life. And those are those are the real communication I feel like happens with spirits with animals with all kinds of things is we can talk all day long, but it's like it's actually that the exchanges that can kind of tell you the most. So gifts as in like little offerings, you mean? Sure, yeah, little, well, okay, well, it's come to do it. Let's break this down. So a gift, the first the first level is going to be your time and attention. Like are you are you going to go are you just going to think about it or you actually going to light a candle and gaze into it and think about the thing that you want to have happen and go through the process. And then you're going to follow that through with the work that you've got to do. So that's the first part of it. But then also offerings. So what what would be an offering? If let's say a love spell, you want to do a love spell, what would be some good things to

1:39:32have in there? Well, some candles because you know, inflame things and get things fired up and candles are a good gateway for the candles probably red for you to get a nice, you know, firey color. They have the blood rolling and you know, make some associations like that. So even those are offerings how you're setting up the ritual. The visualization that you have. But then there's another offering that's on the I call it like a back end, a back end offering, a back end sacrifice. So you cast the spell, you ask for the thing to happen. And then you see the girl at the coffee shop. She's standing right there. She was delivered to you. This is the next part of the offering. Are you going to go ask for her number or are you just going to let the pet the pet the situate you buy. And so that's another part of the offering is is following through on it, doing your thing, doing your part and trusting like looking at him going, ah, that's what I asked for. There it is and going and getting it. That's also part of the offering. And then once you've received it, actually reaching out to the spirits and saying, hey, thanks so much. That worked out really well. I appreciate you. And I'll usually do that like if I've got

1:40:36sigils or other things on paper that I need to burn or release after at the end of the ritual, I'll use that moment to thank the spirits in advance. Hey, thanks to them. And is that spirit or gratitude that actually is a huge offering? All of these things, whether it's the incense or the candles or all of these things, though, it's your own energy that you're bringing to it. It's that you know the candles are red. You know what it means for you to do these things. And so it's that energy that you're going to offer up to the situation that you want to make you want to have it unfold. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You're just having people, though, just to be clear for everybody, no stabbing people, that's not what the offerings are about. No harm to others. That's you know, I don't even I have done like animal sacrifices of chickens and stuff like that. And I'll eat it. I'll eat it. I'll use the bones. I use all of it. I don't like it. I don't feel like it's I don't feel like it's necessary. I feel like I can get just as much energy from tap and radio on it's or from doing a meditation or from masturbating. There's a million ways to get

1:41:40just as much energy that without without it's just I love animals. I love life and I don't want to kill anything that it doesn't need to be killed. And with that, I don't have any problem with hunting or with you know, fishing or even me or whatever. But but I don't know. I don't feel like it's necessary. You know, now, now mind you, if I'm out deer hunting, you better believe before I put that deer down. I'm going to get into a meditative state. I'm going to thank it for for it's it's offering to me. I'm going to come you know with it. I'm going to make it a religious experience when I'm taking the light that animal. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And that's something that you know, we kind of feel the same way about to like I'm all for magic and everything. But whenever it comes to sacrificing something, I'm like, man, I'm not going to sacrifice an animal. Maybe I'll sacrifice my need for sugar or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Like that's what all that's also not to say that it doesn't work. You know what I mean? Like we understand that it that it does, you know, but we had no I respect that I totally I'm with

1:42:44you on that, dude. And you know, it's funny, man. You know, every time we we have these episodes and and Byron brings one of his friends along, man. And I just know that we're going to something's going to be unlocked. Something we're going to just it's just going to snap and we're going to understand it just a lot better. And I think that we've learned a lot of let's we've had a lot of those moments here tonight. I just won't let you know that. And you're excitement. Everything man just got me excited. No, thank you. That's yeah, this it is exciting. So, you know, when I was a kid, I grew up in I grew up Mormon. And so I said in church and I hear about this stuff. And uh, none of it worked. None of it worked. I tried I tried praying and and not not not like asking for things and the things didn't happen. But I was talking to myself. I was talking to myself. And and I could feel this. You know, I I pushed through it and I was a good Mormon kid and really like I

1:43:44was Mr. Mormon when I was a kid, really trying my hardest to feel feel what was going on with this faith. I return to it as an adult too, just to just you know, give it a couple more years and really see if it's if it's and it doesn't have the it doesn't unlock anything like there's nothing there. And that's the same with a lot of not not not every religion. You know, Buddhism's got a lot of stuff there. You can you can open up different religions and see that there's a lot there. But within a lot of the mainstream Christian religions, it's just a control mechanism and you can see that and feel it. But as soon as I you know, when I was a 12, I started researching the occult, started looking, you know, I've sneak away to the library at the school and try to look up whatever magical stuff. I was just being pulled to it. And then when I was 16, I started doing my first rituals. And it did just unlocked it just started unlocking everything started working on the things I asked for. I just started getting it started it was blowing my mind. And I actually was for the first

1:44:45like maybe year. I was playing with it. Trying to try to get it to fail. I was like, you know, this is I got to be making this up. So let me just start casting this spell. Let me get this cheerleader to give me her number. Let me do this. I was I was going for ridiculous stuff in high school. My my high school brain was going wild with the possibilities. And nothing failed. Like every ritual was producing results after result after result. And and so did it has like it is excites always been so excited. I was like, I found this thing like what's inside this box guys. But what's what's really crazy to me is for me, it's been I'm not going to say nothing but positive because for sure I've opened up some doors and called some evil stuff and I've cast some curses and so it's not all nothing but positive. But by and large 99% positive for me for everybody around me has done nothing but good. But what's crazy to me is when I show people that what's in the box. Most people don't have the reaction you guys have. You got to stop that son. You got to find Jesus

1:45:51in this thing. Like I already found Jesus and there's nothing there. Like I'm sorry. But I found the thing that all this stuff is at and you got to check it out. And that is the the with with the path like this a magical path. How do you guys put it? When you guys said that like an eclectic eclectic witchcraft. Yeah. It's it's it's not like there's one way to do it. There's one set of gods to worship it's everything. And it is anything and everything that you want to include into your magical system included. If you want to pray to Jesus, that can be a definite part of your magical system. If you absolutely never want to you don't have to. Right. The things that don't work take it out. Yeah. Yeah. It's the beauty of it. Yeah. With magic almost anything works man. Almost anything works. Yeah. Going back to the radionics too. You know, like I use a lot less like blood with radionics like a lot less. And I mean, just programming a visual candle because it fills it with so much clean energy and then using that in a ritual. I mean, that's the closest to

1:46:53like plug and play that I found with doing magic. Where I can just do something do something and barely putting effort into it and it works really well. You know, you know, when you say, when you say I'm using a lot less blood, it makes it sound like you were using a lot of blood. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. No, I never I never really, I mean, I guess like every vocation, you know, I would use a few drops of blood or something or stuff like that. But like I said with radionics, I really stopped using it. And radionics also kind of shifted my whole mindset on a you know, the concept of offerings and stuff like that and putting energy into it and the amount of energy that needs to go into it. I kind of think more in terms of like the energy side of it now. And so I really think like just the act of doing a ritual and an evocation because you're putting a lot of energy into it, you're given the spirit of body, you're communicating with it, you're creating a thought form and releasing it. I'll vote you want. So just in terms of energy alone,

1:47:57I think just the ritual alone is pretty much enough offering, you know. Yeah, you're kind of just creating that space for that thing to allow that thing to happen at that point. Yeah. Meet the Red Bull Dragonberry Emergizer. It's one of the many new drinks out now. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all. Only Admeta. And Eric, I do have a question for you just for anybody out there that is just now getting into this or as curious to see if this works or are you communicating with the dark lord and you know, maybe you are a little bit, but I'm just kidding. But whenever whenever you're doing that kind of stuff and you have people that are seemingly interested in it and maybe want to just test the validity of it a little bit, is there any like really easy ritual or really easy evocation or spell or something like that that they can do that's not going to ruin their life and make it go crazy, but just something something simple that they can do to where they can look at the rest of

1:49:01their day or the next coming days and be like, Oh, shit. Did I just do that? You know, is there anything like that like something simple? All right. So so so I used to do a lot of lectures and like, you know, speaking in front of people and I'd get this question a lot where people would want to walk home with something and so so so I would give them so here's what I'm going to tell you is get a sigil or a room. So for instance, I've got Michael's sigil there. So that's just one of his sigils. You can find a sigil. So if you find a spirit that you want to call or a thing that you want to make happen. So you can also use a room, you know, I don't know if I've got any examples of rooms here, but oh, here we are. I got a bind room that I created there a prayer to the frost giants to invoke the knowledge of the unknowable. And so you know, you can copy and paste that one if anybody wants to, but use a symbol find a symbol that has a result that you want to get in your life. And so make sure, you know, if you're calling a spirit of wealth, you can actually do one

1:50:03wealth or whatever it is that you're calling. And draw that on a piece of paper. You can even just draw it in your notebook like I have here, but do it in black marker just like that. So it's so it's nice and thick. Draw it. Gaze it. Gaze at it. And think about the thing that you want to have happen. So you know, money, you want to see that money in your hand or imagine your bank account or whatever it's going to look like for the amount of money that you want. If now if this is your first time, keep it reasonable. Don't go crazy. I want a million dollars. Keep it, you know, I'll find some extra money. You don't even put a price on it or anything, but just kind of keep it open and be open to whatever it is that that comes. But gaze at the sigil, relax your vision while you're thinking and visualizing yourself having the thing you desire. Now this is the number one ingredient that's going to make your magic work and without it, your magic is not going to work. That is visualizing what you want to have happen. Seeing it in your mind as if it's already happening and

1:51:05then putting your emotions into it because that's actually feeding your energy. So what's it going to feel like when that money comes? Is that going to feel like relief excitement, produce that feeling within yourself as you're visualizing the end result as you're gazing at the sigil. I'm using the word gazing intentionally. You don't want to stare at it. There's a specific kind of vision that you're going to find yourself walking into where you're super relaxed and it's almost the same vision you're going to use if you're looking at one of those 3D pictures that has a bunch of color and then you look at it and a boat pops out. It's like you want to relax your vision so much that you start to fall into the sigil while you're gazing at it while you're visualizing while you're feeling the emotions that you're going to produce in the future when the thing happens. As you're doing this for just like a few seconds maybe a couple minutes or most, you're going to start having some interesting things happen with the sigil. The lines of it might disappear like physically bone. They're not on the paper anymore and then they reappear and

1:52:06they're glowing or it might start to look like the whole sigil lifts off of the paper and starts waving in the air. Sometimes it'll start to look colored like the black ink starts to get rainbows inside of it. Just relax through that. Continue to visualize what you want to have happen. What you're going to notice is your ability to visualize it gets weaker and weaker because the energy of it is going out of you into the sigil. The sigil is becoming a gateway that's taking all of that energy and pushing it towards the spirit or the realm that that sigil is associated with. Once you're at a point you feel like in the visual phenomenon anything you see that's just phenomenon. Don't worry about it. Don't get too invested in it. It's just a sign that you're on the right track. You might also feel yourself getting a little dizzy. Just stay with it. You're not going to pass nobody's ever died from gazing at a sigil. Just stay with it. You'll be fine. And once you get a point you can't hold the vision that it's just not there anymore. That's the sigil of the energy is out of you. So then say out loud what it is you want to have happen. If you're calling a spirit say Azazel

1:53:11going to the world and setting up the opportunities for the success that I need. So it is done. And then blow out your candles, blow out everything and go about your day. Fold up that sigil. Take that paper that you drew that on. So your first experiment is best to put this on a piece of paper that you can fold up and put somewhere. So not on a notebook but somewhere that you put somewhere so you forget about it. Put it in your stock drawer up in a closet. Out of sight out of mind that's an open and gateway. And so you just want to keep it keep it out of sight until the thing happens. And then go find it and burn it once once the thing has come about. It's a good idea to take those sigils or burn and burn them just to release the gate. Wait, thank the spirit at that point. Hey, thanks for doing what you've done and then release it. So that's I know that's not super simple. That simple is like looking into a candle and chanting a few words. However, that blows people that knocks people socks off. Okay, so I I used to pass out. I would have a sigil. Everybody likes money. Everybody, nobody ever turns down a money spell for some reason. So I pass out these magic squares for money. And I just I'd

1:54:15have them printed and then on the back of the square, I had printed out my email address. And so I did pass those out to the audience. I guide them through the visualization, visualize yourself having the money, feel it happening. And then after it's over, I say, you know, just email me with any results that you guys happen to get. And my email got flooded. Usually within a week, at most, some of them were two weeks, but usually within a week, people are, yeah, I got the job promotion or I lost my job. And then another job came in. All the sudden things start moving and turning in very, very strange ways. So this kind of magic that I just explained is called sigil magic. It is considered like advanced magic, but anybody can do it. You don't have to have special skills. You just have to be able to visualize what you want, gaze at the sigil and let your energy get out of you. Your eyes are a powerful window, like a binary in the sand about opening the shoppers of your eyes. Your eyes are powerful windows and gateways. And so if you're looking at something, this is another thing with the time and attention

1:55:16that you're sending your energy towards, your eyes can direct where that attention goes. Look at a photo of somebody and think about them and they will feel you. They'll feel what you're thinking and feeling if you're connecting with them through your eyes. Look at somebody across the room. You want a girl to get you, you don't get a girl's attention, just stare at her for a minute and really push your attention forward. She'll feel you and look over. Color over. So yeah, color over. Dude, and you know, we've talked about this too, as far as like sigil magic and stuff like that. It's, you know, whenever I hear it from people like you and from people like Byron, it's like, I feel like everything that we've talked about, like leading up to this point, has been on the right path because that's perfectly in line with how we have done our own kind of spells and like we did a money spell. We've done love spells and all these other things. And it seems to work all the same way, you know, that that sigil kind of magic in that sense. So

1:56:18yeah, it's, I mean, look, if anybody's out there that doesn't believe that this stuff works or, you know, it's scared to try it. I mean, is there any reason to believe that if a, if a spell or an evocation or a ritual, is there any reason to believe that if any of that actually does work that now you're in control of that demon or something like that, I always hear that all the time. Well, it's like, yeah, they'll give you what they want or they'll give you what you want. But then, you know, they, they control you. Is, is there anything like that connected to that stuff? No, no, not, not the big control you, but, but here, look, I'm glad you brought this up because, because there is, I think there's a moment to, to, to give some responsible warnings about this because, because you do need to be responsible about this because it's real. Like the, the spirit you're, you're, you're calling, it's not just parts of your mind, they're actually real and they actually do come and they start, they start rearranging your reality. And so the, the very first thing I'm going to tell you is, here's the big, here's, here's the biggest harm that I can see

1:57:19that's, that's a constant. You become like the things you surround yourself with. So, you could be a happy, go lucky person and then somebody pisses you off and you do a person. Then you got a spirit that's a, a, a, a bane full energy spirit that's around you. And that spirit wants more of that interaction. And it wants your time and attention again. Now that has made connection with you, hey, don't you think this person needs be cursed too? Hey, what about that person over there? They start pointing out the people that need be cursed because they want to be activated again in your life. And, and so you, you can go down really slippery slopes with opening doorways of, I'm going to do this thing and then you want to do it more and more. And it's not, and it is literally the forces you have around you whispering into your ear, guiding you to just activate them one more time. So, and it's not that it's not that if you do one curse on somebody or you call one demon that forever, it's going to be haunting you, then maybe

1:58:20it could be, I think you need to overwhelm yourself with the spirits that you want to be like. And so you know that it's all some, call some dark spirits. If you need to call some dark spirits, but make sure that unless you want to become dark, that you're calling mostly light spirits, or if you want to become dark, all the dark spirits you want because you're going to become like them. And so that's the biggest thing there is that, that, that you are, you're going to develop a spiritual momentum in the direction that you travel. The second thing is, is that, one, this is, is it hard to conceptualize? Once you make contact with the spirit, it's with you forever. It's with you forever. And when I say forever, that's into the future. It's going to continue to linger around you anytime you want to activate that spirit. All you do you got to do is think about it. It's there. But then you start noticing how that spirit has been there in the past too, all the way back, especially as you make stronger connections with it, it is like Azazel is a spirit. I probably work with the most. And I'm like, dude, he was,

1:59:25he was there my whole life. I can see him. He was, I had, I had a, I had a some, some weird dark thing hanging out in the closet with glowing green eyes. And now I find out, oh, that was him. And he was, he was not there haunting me. He was actually there protecting and guiding me as a child. And so, so you start to see things where it's like, I didn't even see it. Maybe they didn't even remember it until making contact with the spirit. And then you can see the reflection of it out was forever. And so with that, yeah, you got to be careful about the, the, the spirit that you call into your spirit sensation because they're always going to be lingering there. They're always going to have and most musicians won't say this because they don't want to admit the truth. The spirits will have influence over you. They are whispering in your ear. They are pulling your, your, your desires. They're, they are stirring things up. And, and so yeah, no, for the most part, if it's a spirit that you can summon, you can also talk to it and just say, hey, I don't want you around me anymore. You know, cut off all the presents and they will, they will. They're not

2:00:29going to come too easily if you call them again. You know, this, you got like one chance to kick them out of your life, basically. But, but so there are things like that. But that's that, that is the precaution you need to take is be don't, don't be willing to be about the spirits that you invite into your life. It's, it is, it's, it's not just inviting a stranger into your home. It's inviting them into your bedroom to get naked and lay in bed with you. Like this is an intimate connection you're making with every spirit. Man, wow. All right. Building a, building a solid foundation first will make it less jarring. But you know, especially with like some of these like, like non-human spirits and stuff, you know, like that have been around forever. These are like forces of nature, you know, if you're not prepared for it. And then there's, there's like regular pit holes too, because you got, you know, a lot of people, especially in the left hand path, you know, are coping with like religious trauma, physical traumas, you know, sexual trauma, like, and then, and then there is like this kind of edgy coolness to it, you know, I mean, which I

2:01:32understand, you know, I'm a metalhead. I played in a bunch of metal, metal bands. I love brutality. You know, you want more brutality, not less. You know, but, you know, but so there's always going to be pitfalls. You know, I think it's important to work towards being in a grounded person, because you know, like these energies can corrupt your life if you're not careful. You know, especially if you're a polarized person, you know, which, which I feel like we saw a lot, you know, since, like 2016, really 2020, but I think if you're like a really polarized person, you know, but here's the other rub, you know, it's like a lot of people are just on their journey. So, you know, a lot of these pitfalls are going to be for like a 21 year old, more than a 45 year old, you know, yeah, that makes sense. So, so part of it is just learning and growing, you know, everyone's on their own journey, but yeah. The many new drinks out now, who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire.

2:02:38Try them all only at my dogs. And speaking of that journey too, EA, I wanted to ask you because we've heard a lot of it from Lord Byron as far as radionics and how much of a major help it is. I mean, can you describe, you know, the ways that radionics machines are helping you within your magic? Yeah, absolutely. You know, let me swivel my camera just a little bit. So in the corner there, you can see I've got a Vangraph generator that you generate static electricity and then over to the television set. Everything in that corner is my radionic setup. And it's nuts. It's not balls. It is not balls. If I were to up and I've got to hooked up to an amp so you can hear, I can hear the frequencies and so I'll power it up and I'll hear the frequencies just scrubbing through the room. I'll get them dialed. I've got a two frequency generator so I can get two frequencies that kind of butt up against each other and they create a fluttering effect. And that fluttering effect creates a ghost wave or a phantom wave. And that's actually the magical

2:03:40wave that I want to harness. So I've got specific frequencies I'll tune it into for that. And then I've got some of the personal devices that I'll use to fine tune it all. But it's nuts because it is technology. The very, very simple technology that because it really is just frequencies. It's just the whole technology is frequencies. And those frequencies do come together to create a field. And it's not. I'll have people come through. I throw a lot of parties. I've got a lot of cool friends that I like to hang out with. I don't have people through here that don't have any connection with anything spiritual. And they'll come in and all. It's kind of one of the like little tricks I'll do for a company. Most of the stuff I do is really weird. People don't know what to make of it. But I'll call this my wish machine. I'm like, hey, come in. We're going to make a wish of the wish machine. They're like, well, they'll fire it up and then we'll have them put their hands on it and they walk away charged.

2:04:40They're like, I don't know what that was. But why do that? It is a very physical energy. But here's the really where it came into play for me. I do a lot of rituals for clients. I was going through a... We did a sale where it was, I don't know, half off of our rituals and we promoted it all over the place. And so we had... I was getting a ritual a day that I was happened to do for people. And that was on top of all my other stuff that I had to do. And the way I was running my rituals is I would set up the whole ritual. I'd do it and then I would I would put myself emotionally into the place of the person I'm trying to help. I'd fill their situation with as much empathy as I could and I would squeeze myself to get all of my energy to come out. Sometimes yelling and screaming if I need to do that for a ritual or we being formed. Just anything that I could squeeze myself to get every drop of energy I could for these rituals. And I was running myself ragged, ragged in a million ways that was breaking me down.

2:05:49And that's actually when I finally was like, you know what, let me give this rating on a stuff of track because if I can use just something else to supplement my power, I've got enough power for myself and for a ritual for every, you know, maybe a couple rituals a week for people, but damn, that's a lot. Just just a supplement. And what I found is that it does, it's so much more than that because it because literally you're opening up a portal, an infinite portal, and then just any any energy you want, you just pull it from that portal. You don't need to squeeze yourself. You don't need to try. You don't need to feel whatever, if that comes through naturally, sometimes it does. Sometimes I'll turn the device on. I'll start turning the dials and I'll start weeping for the person that I'm doing the ritual for if they're going through some heavy. And so, so you can fulfill yourself to an end to it, but you don't have to squeeze yourself anymore because the power's just coming through the portal. And that did that that was a game changer for me with radionics, but also just with the way I approach magic, rather than squeezing myself, let me just turn it over to the powers. Let me,

2:06:53let me open the door. All I got to do is open the door and let the magic and let the gods and let it do the rest. My job can be as easy as opening the door. And so, so radionics, radionics comes into play because it can force that door open and it actually acts as what I call a door stopper. So, you can jam it in the door and leave the door open and we walk away, go do your own thing and it's doing it all day long. So, yeah, complete game changer as a professional magician doing rituals for people to get in. Like, I demand that I get good success. My client's demand that I get success. The rituals have to work. And so, so with that, it's like, I can, I know how to do it for myself, but being able to add that element of radionics in, now there's no question about it. Fire it up, boom, I don't have to squeeze myself. The rituals work every time, no, no questions ask. It does turn it into a, I can't remember the way my iron set it, but it's like a much more systematic approach. You just plug it in, do your thing and it's good to go.

2:07:56Yeah, plug and play. And the extra energy is important. What you're talking about bringing friends over and they can feel the charge. I had a client down in Australia. She got a broadcaster. That's like the small one with the antenna on it. And she was working through the cliff off. And I think she might have been on the Mars sphere. But she had that running in her temple. And at the same time, she had painters over. And so when they would come up to the door of the temple, they would like walk as far away from the door as possible and make it as big like arching walk around it. They could totally feel it. They're totally, they can't even want to be around that room. They were just totally picking up on that energy because you had that going. So there's a lot you can do with that as far as magic. Because you can prime yourself. But you can also prime your room. Prime all your materials, all in advance. Like Eric was mentioning, give yourself a lot more energy, which is important because when you

2:09:01first mentioned it, doing a ritual every day, I was like, man, that's not even enough time to recover. Because ritual fatigue is a real thing. And I show you this Eric. I don't think I saw this yet. Is it the zombie? I made a beefed up vampire bonds. So here's a regular vampire box. Here's the beefed up one. And seven crystals, two input jacks, two output jacks, input and output. The cases that I'm using too, I'll set these little holes. So if you wanted to put it on the wall, you could, you know, but but a vampire box man. That's a that's a life saver man. That's a that's an important machine that really, but any machine will will act as a vampire box really, you know, dude, it's just pretty much act as a vampire box. If you work, use it right. The fact that those things work as well as y'all say that they do, it is just unreal. Anybody that is performing any kind of magic or rituals, I don't know why you wouldn't

2:10:02incorporate it. Like even just simple little things, maybe even, I mean, is that something that you can incorporate into your own like daily practice in some kind of way, not even necessarily trying to perform some kind of outright crazy ritual. What, Ray, I'm not sure. Yeah. So I'll take my I'll take my system. Let's say I'm going to uh, call a spirit. I mean, I'll do my regular evocation process, do the candles and the incense, but then I'll go take the sigil that I've got for the spirit and go take it over the radionics, blast that as soon as I've got the frequencies locked in, just radiate them through the room so I can hear and fill it and then come back to the ritual and it's amplified. And so yeah, you can do that. And you can and you should absolutely use it, use it as a supplement to all of your rituals. And it is just going to add that, uh, it does, it adds a layer that I don't, I don't know that there's any other way that that that that this has been able to be accessed honestly. Like, I don't know, no, okay, well, no, because even if you get into like deep yoga states and these

2:11:07kinds of things, it's a different thing. This is a portal, up on an energetic portal that you're freaking opening up. It's it's, it's not like, yeah, it is completely different. It's almost the same. You can almost do the same stuff with magic that you can do with radionics, but there's just some things you can do with radionics. I don't think you can do with magic, you know, but ideally, you need both, you know, and I still think for the most part, I think magic is a little faster, can be a little faster, depending on how you do it. But sometimes radionics, you know, I mean, sometimes it'll work as soon as you turn it on, but sometimes it takes a while for that thought form to build and to see it manifest. Yeah, I just kind of wanted to throw it out there for anybody that was curious about how that worked and how much it was actually able to amplify your workings and all that kind of stuff, because I think that especially a lot of the listeners of this show, I mean, we're very open-minded. We look at things from a different point of view, not necessarily what's good, what's evil, but like how does it work? And that's, you know, I think that,

2:12:13you know, everybody's going to have their perspective on certain things. And I think that, you know, personally, what I've been able to do just within my own mind is instead of labeling something good or bad or, you know, godly or demonic or something like that, I'm just, just look at it for what it is and what it does in that sense. And that's helped me, you know, understand it a lot more, just trying to understand it, you know, just trying to help my mind, yeah, I don't know, digest it in a sense. We've got to use, it's like we've got slunky interfaces with all of this stuff, because we're dealing with such a, with such high-dimensional stuff that is hard for our brains to even know what to do with it. And so almost all of it is concocted through, you know, even as we're talking about the, the, the, you know, using magic and these are different technologies using, you know, different symbolism to try to access the so-called do. So as I, I know really deep into

2:13:14rune magic and NorthSource Reo over this last year, I've written a whole book on rune magic, it'll be coming out now, this winter sometime. And with that, I kept coming across this thing as I was studying the, the, the Edas and the, the poetic Edas and the sagas that are actually the, like, the codified, like, the stories of what happened back then. And this turn keeps coming up, the other side, and the other side is capitalized, the O is capitalized, and it's one word, other side. And I was like, what the fuck is this other side? So I start digging in, coming back to layers. And that's the term that the Norse would use for everything that's not part of this normal physical world. It's, it's all the other side. We got our side, this little tiny side, and then the other side. But that's, that's exactly what all of these things are true, whether it's magic or prayers or, or, you know, invocations or meditations or all of these things are just attempts to breach through to the other side. Yeah, that's something that we covered the druids too, they called it the other world, you know, and so they all seem to be talking

2:14:20in the same realm. Some people might, I mean, could that possibly be confused with heaven even? That could be. Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, not too, too religious. Did you get into the twat, did you get into the twat that you're down in? We've mentioned it in passing, but never really do have too deep into it. Try them all only at McDonald's. Oh, dude, so it's this whole civilization of people that just arrive to Ireland, they appear out of the thin air. No, no, no, that's not true. So a fog falls over Ireland. The entire island is engulfed in a fog. And then as the fog lifts, it's these beautiful people that are much taller than everybody else, much more beautiful. Their skin is shining and they have magical abilities and magical technologies. They live amongst them for multiple generations.

2:15:24They set up, and it's not just a couple people, it's an entire civilization of them that lives amongst the Irish for multiple generations. And then of course, men come to do war. They're like, we got to kick these supernatural beings out of here because they're not one of us. So instead of going and, you know, going somewhere else, they disappear into the fog. And then at that point, they entered nature. And so they live amongst us in the rocks and the trees. And they're just barely out of, out of reach. But this same story is told over and over and over again about that there's a civilization of beings much like us, but better that are around us and they're just at a reach. They can interact with us. They can touch us, but we can't touch them. All right, Sean, we're doing a fucking episode on that. That sounds awesome. Let's do it. Let's do it. Sign me up, baby. Yeah, dude. Well, look, we could talk to y'all literally all night. And honestly, this has been one of our longer episodes just because it's just like whenever you're communicating with the spirits, it's like, all right, I got a question. And I already have the

2:16:27next question lined up, but damn what you just said made me think a little bit deeper. So I love these kind of conversations. These are great, man. So we appreciate you guys coming and hanging out with us. So far, dude, so much. So much. If you guys, well, actually before we do wrap it up here, we usually do a tarot reading at the end of every episode, usually just a single card draw. And we even though we've been doing this for a little over two years now, we still rely on the handy dandy guided tarot book to give us definitions and whatnot. But Sean, you guys are more than welcome to give us your interpretation if you'd like. But, uh, please interestingly enough, man, we got the death card. Oh, you know what, don't be confused, you know, because it's not a bad thing. It's my understanding. Yeah, I mean, unless you want to be a representative at the end, right? Well, it's interesting that we would get that card because it is the 13th card within the full journey. The death card is it is the ultimate transformation, a cycle of release leading to rebirth. Death is perhaps one of the most

2:17:32misunderstood cards in the tarot and one that is overflowing with rich symbolism. Death appears as a skeleton dressed in black armor, riding through a scene of figures near death or already dead, holding a black flag with a flower and ears of corn on it, representing the growing and harvesting seasons that align with the seasons of our lives. A religious figure appears to plead with death, while a child and a young woman kneeled nearby, both symbolizing innocence and transition. In the distance, the sun rises between the two towers, representing the conscious and unconscious mind. The skin is yellow, the color of spiritual enlightenment, as are the robes of the religious figure. The horse he rides symbolizes the freedom that arises from embracing transformation and the fact that he is seated on his horse looking down at the religious figure suggests that spiritual enlightenment transcends traditional religious teachings. The sun rising illuminates rebirth, a contrast to death's black armor, which indicates that shadow aspects once hidden are now displayed with pride. Death is protected during this cycle of change, as well as we all are during times of transformation.

2:18:38Dude, dude, you were just talking about, Eric was just talking about the right hand path and the left hand path and the right hand path being the more well understood belief systems and this and that. Dude, that's beautiful man. Today, I was at work and there was a power line that I was looking at and there was like a black bag hanging from it and like blowing in the wind, but like for a split second, I was like, it almost looked like it could have been like death. You know what I mean? Just like, I don't know, it was a trip. That's what I was thinking. You called it out there. That was... There it is. Yeah. So, just to give my interpretation of the card and my thoughts on on the energy of death is it's often not about physical death, but it signifies that there's something that's happening that you can't change. You can't make it stop. You can't negotiate with it. The only thing that you can do is accept it or choose not to accept it, but it's happening either way. And so anything that's with that, anything that's in the past, you know, we find ourselves

2:19:44obsessing about the things that we can we can't change. This is, you know, it comes to serenity prayer. Grammy is renégates to accept the things that I can't change. It's the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. Unfortunately, most of the things in our lives are going to fall in the first category. We can't change a whole lot of stuff. And that's one of the conundrums with with magic is that a lot of times we'll come into it wanting to change everything. There's a whole lot of acceptance that we got to learn along the way because there's a lot of stuff that you just can't change. Especially when it comes to death, you know, and you're like trying to heal someone or something because there's all these times you can heal someone you work these crazy miracles, but when it's time when it's someone's time to go, there's like nothing you can do. Just the right time. Yeah. And what's interesting you guys bring that up is because that the reverse meanings to the death card would be clinging to the past and refusing to change. So just the fact that it was that we got it, it was like, all right, well, that's that's something that we're not necessarily clinging to the past and not refusing to change. That we are open to

2:20:48this form of essentially like transformation in a sense. But there is a spiritual message also. It says you're in the throes of transformation of the self that may include letting go of old, worn out patterns and behaviors. This purge is creating space for new beginnings by forcing you to release the past. Beautiful. See, I think, you know, I whenever I used to, whenever we've gotten that card in the past and the very beginning, you know, I was like, oh, the death card, you know, like, and I think a lot of the listeners and other people that aren't so familiar with terror, you know, would probably think the same way, but, but no, it's a great card. Oh, it's good. It's almost like the gnostic way of looking at it if you really think about it because, you know, there's the little, the literal, you know, translation and the literal meaning of looking at it a specific way. But then it's like, how can you look at this even deeper? How can you look at it from a noses like a Sophia type of understanding and it just makes so much more sense whenever you do that because you almost feel a lot more connected to the message is being given at that point.

2:21:51Oh, yeah, absolutely. And just to understand that there's so much more to this reality and we are so much so capable of transmuting just about anything if we really want to. Yeah, it's awesome. I love this stuff. Thank you guys so much for coming to hang out with us. I'm sorry. Let me just let me just riff a little bit more here because I just look this up of all 42. I'm looking up the order of these cards. All right. So the order of the major economy. So, so death comes right after the hanged man, meaning that again, things that you can control that there's a lot that you can't control and even fighting to try to control those things is part of the process. You just need to give up and let go now. But right after that is to because here's the thing, the death card is not the last card in the major economy. It's it's like smack in the middle. So it's like the story is not over. That's just part of it. But the next is temperance. Now now that you're rising from death, now that you let go, be careful of what you manifest from here. Be a bit more wise going forward. So, so anyways, I just wanted to bring that out. The

2:22:54the death card is is far from the last card in the in the spread. Oh, dude, that is perfect. And even just from my own personal perspective, that's exactly what I needed, bro. Like on some real shit, like you ever notice that like sometimes we'll get cards and maybe we resonate with them. Maybe we don't, but sometimes they just hit so damn close to home at like certain times, you're just like, yes, I needed that. So yeah, I love it. I love a one of our communicating with the tarot in that sense. But, uh, but yeah, if you guys would first, I guess we'll go with Lord Byron. I mean, if this is anybody's first time listening to Meta Mysteries, holy shit. But yeah, I mean, if it's not your first time, then I can guarantee you've heard Lord Byron. Um, but for those that don't know you Byron or are unaware of your works or where would they be able to find yet? Uh, my main YouTube channel is Maya Pothiosis. Uh, and then uh, Instagram, Lord Byron, Jester, all lowercase, all one word. All right. We'll have that laying down in the

2:23:57show notes below. Anybody wants to be able to go check out Lord Byron. He's the man. We love you, bro. Um, and also Eric, where would they be able to find you at, sir? Yeah, yeah. You can, uh, find my main website with all of my video courses, books, everything on it is, uh, to become a living god calm, become a living god calm. Um, I've got a tick talk. So tick tock slash at ea coenning and then Odyssey, Odyssey slash ade a coenning as well. I do live chats on there, post a bunch of videos. So check me out. Hell yeah. We'll have all those links down the show notes. We really appreciate you guys coming to hang out with us tonight. And again, super sorry about the mix up on the dates and stuff. We won't let it happen again. But you know what? I will say this every time or anytime that's happened where something happens or maybe the guest calls us and says, Hey, you know, we're going to have to shoot another day. And then we do shoot. I just feel like it's such a great episode. And so I actually think that this was supposed to happen this way. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. But thank you guys so much. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. You've got a lot of

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2:26:04of the one out there that's been helping us in that way, helping us pump this show out to all the algorithms of the world. So we appreciate y'all very much and with that being said, if Lord Byron and the Sorcerer EA came here and they taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you don't know. So I'll just get weird. Stay weird. Open doors inside your mind. Leave the ordinary far behind. Color swallon stars alive. In the meta mysteries you're finding. That's got me. Got me too. Yeah. Dude, I was in there. Dude, like swimwear. Yeah. Dude, it's interesting. You know, we we talk about, you know, the metaphysics of things that we try to understand these unseen forces, but one thing that is so underestimated, dude, is the unseen force

2:27:08of the subconscious mind, you know, the patterns and the ego and everything that's just intertwined as of now, making you who you are. You know, and it's just like, if you don't stop and look at that and examine it and try to make those necessary changes, it's just going to continue. And you're not even going to know what's going on. You know, you're just going to like, for all youngs, that it's just going to be fate, you know, but that unseen force is a, it's a strong one, man. It really is. Well, and people, you know, it really bothers me when people just look at, you know, especially like within like older religious books and whatnot, that they're like, well, we're just humans. We're just sinners. We're just dirty rags. We're just that. We're just this. And it's like, people take that on and they're like, well, I can never be like that. I could never do these kinds of things. I'm just a human. And I'm like, there's a portion of you that is, I'm not saying that

2:28:12there isn't. But then there's also this other portion of you that is observing the one that is aware, the one that you know that it's there, but it's so subtle, you barely can even catch it sometimes. You know, that that version of you that is alive in meditation whenever you get so deep, that version of you that is alive whenever you're so deep in a past life regression or a hypnotic state or something like that. Like there's something that is so much more than just plain old human. It's not even funny, dude. Like it's and it's so there, but it's oh, it's so subtle at the same time. And that's what I love about it. And that's what's so fascinating. And that's why we love meditating so often is because it's that's that's the time where all the other chitter chatter slows down and you're able just to be with the highest version of yourself. And if that is made in the image and likeness of God, that makes the most sense right there, right? Yeah, man, and I

2:29:12really I really love how how Eric and Byron, you know, how they were putting it as far as like the whisper or the very subtle, almost residue that is magic, you know, that little voice in your head that says, why did you put your wallet there? Because you know, that's not where you normally put it. And you know, you're not going to be able to find it later. You know, like that's a weird place to put it. I shouldn't put it there, but I did anyways. It's like that's the the voice of wisdom of Sophia, of the gin of the genius of the higher self, whatever you want to call it. It's like you already have the answer. You know, you shouldn't have done that, but you did it anyway. You know, you ignore it. That's actually something that I think about so often, too, because I'm like, all right, why am I so aware of the subtle little shit that I really shouldn't be worrying about? And it's almost like, all right, well, is this another spirit that is communicating with me? Is this just me me being like hyper aware in this moment? Or is it, is it something,

2:30:17you know, higher up? Is it, is it you at the highest form at that point? So it's like, you know, in those cases, like, you know, don't set your keys here. Don't set your wallet there. And you almost feel like a little skits of frenic sometimes. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a separation. You almost feel like a little paranoid because you're like, all right, my, my higher mind or something is telling me not to do these things or to do these things. And you know, and it can be a little overwhelming sometimes, you know, but then there's other times where you're like, just calm down. Like, it's not telling you to go jump off a damn bridge. It's just telling me like, maybe you shouldn't let your glasses there. You know, like, something so simple like that. And, you know, and what I found to be the, the most peculiar thing about a lot of this is that it just really helps you to be present more than anything. You know, like to, to be in the most important thing, man. And there was, there was something that I've, I'm pretty sure I've

2:31:18mentioned this before, but I heard it from someone else where it's like, you know, imagine your 75 years old and really where you are right now is just in the memory of that 75 year old person. And that 75 year old person found a way to to get into time machine or to be able to replay the movie or something like that. And that has helped me out tremendously just in my own life, just put in myself, like making sure that if I, if I was that guy, what would I do in this moment? If I could go back and have a whole like advantage of it, right? Yeah. Yeah. And that's especially like prominent whenever I, like if I'm like hugging my kid, hugging and kissing my kid good night. You know, like just something so simple, giving him a big hug and kissing him, telling me I love him and stuff like that. It's like those moments, they are so fleeting because I have, I have a, coming up on a three year old, but I also have a coming up on a 14 year old too. And I know how fast it goes. It is incredibly, it goes so fast. It's like, it's, it's gone before you know it.

2:32:20And I'm not saying, you know, it's like, you have different relationships with a 14 year old versus a three year old. You know what I'm saying? And so yeah, I think that it's important to just try and remain as present as humanly possible so that it, I mean, it's going to, time's going to go by regardless. But to be able to cherish those little moments is so profound. And to be honest, I think like magic kind of taught me that in a way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's its own modality, man. You know, and that I don't want people to get, I don't want myself even to, to get too caught up in, you know, what box to put that in or what is this and what is that? What do we call that? And it's like, whatever you want to call it, you know, I feel like we all experience it. And, you know, just call it what you want to call it and understand it to be what you understand it to be and go from there. You know, as long as you recognize it and take those moments of hugging your kid and saying to yourself, wow, I could be just, you know, just for that example that you said, you know, in a memory of, you know, this moment that I might have missed because I

2:33:23was just too busy, you know, in my own head trying to figure out shit and make the money and do whatever. And it's like, yes, funny because I took my daughter to go and get herself some panda. And it's like one of her favorite things. She's like, oh, I love panda express, you know, and she was sitting there holding her food and we had to go get food for the other kids at some some other place. And she was like, she was saying, well, how did she put it? She was like, oh, I'm gonna like hold on to this moment because I know that like once I'm done eating this, then it's, you know, it's done. It's over. I said, well, how about you pretend that you already ate it. And now you just went back in time and now you get to eat it again and she went, boom, like that, you know, it's like just a little games that you could play with just the mind. Oh, dude, yeah, it's awesome. Like how all that, you know, because once you understand that you are not the mind that you're, you can actually become in control of your mind, you can trick it all day. Long. That's it. And it's not even just tricking it. So like here's an example. One thing that I

2:34:26realized just to use the me giving my son a hug before he goes to sleep example, whenever I hug him and I'm in that moment, it's not that as far as like presence goes, you almost have to put yourself in the mindset of this is the only thing that is going on in the entire world in this moment. Is this moment that I'm having with my kid? Yeah, all the other things exist. Your living room still there, you know, your other kids are, are you know, they're doing what they're doing. But in that moment, the only thing that exists is your embrace with your little one or whatever it is. Like and dude, in that sense, it makes it feel so much more powerful and so much more, there's just something more meaningful about it. Whenever nothing else exists in that moment, you know? Yeah, exactly to take that further, you know, I can't tell you how many times I've looked at pictures, you know, sometimes our TV will kind of go into like a screen-saver mode and it'll just start start showing some of our photos that are on our phones and I see pictures of the kids and they're,

2:35:30you know, they're this big and I'm like, wow, like I wish I could go back to that and just like pick them up and, you know, because they were small, you could pick them up and like, you know, throw them around and kiss them or whatever and I see those pictures now and it, yeah, I'm not going to lie, dude, it kind of makes me emotional because I can't do that. You know, like that moment, that moment is gone. Yeah, you know, but then it's like, okay, like you said, take advantage of now, you know, that's what we got. That's it, dude. And also like just as far as that whole death card, man, that really was so perfect. On top of the synchronicity as well. Oh my god, that treat me out a little bit. It was a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little fuck. Perfect. It was there, there wasn't another better card for that moment, for that conversation, even just what's been going on in my life here in the past couple of days could not have been a more perfect card. And man, that's just such a powerful sentiment that you shared in that moment. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. It was a good one, man. Like I said, I'm gonna have to go back and relist them to it. Oh, dude. Yeah. That's some good shit in there. Yeah. He is the fucking man.

2:36:35Lord Byron. Yeah. Also the fucking man loved having conversation and just trying to understand how it works from a different perspective instead of just sitting there judging it. You know, nobody learns anything from judgment at all. Like you are prohibiting yourself from learning anything when you are sitting there in judgment. And there's just so much more to learn rather than just that's not what I believe or that's working with this. So that get past that just to just to be able to be that sponge and spoke and soak it all up to really try and understand it. And I think that he really appreciated that too that we kind of took that angle. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It was a great episode, man. And can we have a backman? Studs, studs. But anyhow, yeah, I guess with that being said, we're gonna wrap it up right here and can't wait for Wonder Wisdom. It's gonna be a fun one. So, we'll approach it. So, all right, guys. We will see you on the flip side. Voice is drift on winds on tane. Words like spells that can't be made.

2:37:40Close your eyes and feel the sound. Journey where no bounds are found. Open doors inside your mind. Leave the ordinary far behind. Color swirl and stars align. In the meta mysteries you find.