LIVE with FRESH PRINCE CEO in VEGAS FreshPrinceCeo

1:00What a shock. Shocking, shocking, I say. I'm back, back from Miami. Got lots of stories. Because you hadn't seen an access thing. Because you also had a meetup with an ABC Australia, which actually went surprisingly well. I got my best friend in the whole world who is as dark as I am white. On his way into the studio right now. Freshly coming back from the, uh, what's the thing enhanced games? Enhanced games, man. In games only in a little August Nevada. Do we have the enhanced game? Is that sponsored by? Was that sponsored by kick? I'm wondering why like, fresh will be here for that. That's it's interesting. Yeah, yeah. All right, here we go. Let's do this one first thing. I'll add this to the stage. I'll realize the dating pool for men until my brother showed me his text.

2:00This man has been texting this girl for three weeks. Good morning, texts planning a date like actually locked in. She hits him with, and I'm reading this word for word. Hey, so I just got out of something and I think I need to be alone for a while. You're literally so sweet though. He said, okay, totally respected it. Didn't even double text. Two days later, she posted a guy on her story, completely different dude, tagged him, hard emojis, the whole thing. And then this is the part that actually made me nauseous. She texts my brother yesterday. Hey stranger, what are you doing tonight? I miss talking to you. Miss talking to you. You left you literally left and now your board. So you're coming back. I am in an apology. I had no idea y'all were dealing with this. Hey, man, the size matter, Kyle. Do you think size matters to chicks? Very long because if it's not thick enough, I'm can't ask some fingers. If the size is important, I said it many times.

3:01I know you guys hate me, but size is very important. At least in my situation, I love a big eye. I like to fill it everywhere. I like to fill it. It's so much better with that crucifix hanging around. I can't do the same. I don't care about how thick it is. Because you know, it's thick and gets in. If it's thick and this big one, I'm gonna do it. I like it very long because if it's not thick enough, I'm can't ask some fingers next week and make the Aztecs as a one. But I prefer the pain when it goes all the way down. Like they put my stomach definitely size important. If it's beaten out by if it's more than that's nasty. It is nasty, right? Isn't it nasty? Inability to find a partner is not some sort of social injustice. I don't think we have a male loneliness epidemic. I have think we have an epidemic of undatable men. Steven Bartlett asked if society should intervene to make sure men meet women. The only intervening society should do is putting systems in place that hold men accountable, teach them how to be better partners, teach them how to be better people

4:03so that there's somebody that a woman would want to be with. We should be because there's nothing wrong with women. The educating men about in-sell and far-right propaganda and the hatred towards women and anything that will hold men accountable for their behaviors, rather than perpetuating this narrative that somehow women are responsible for a man's behavior. Like call her daddy. Men are not entitled to pass on their genes or have a legacy. In fact, if anything, we learned about this in schools, natural selection, hello, we're weeding this shit out, but there's no oppression for men who are not being chosen in the dating pool. And it's always about a man's legacy in passing on his genes instead of him just being a father and raising a child. Men's mental health, the rate of male suicide, these are all serious issues. Yes, they deserve attention, they deserve concern and they deserve awareness. But control over women is not and has never been and never will be the answer to solve these things.

5:03Yeah, I think that's probably... I would die for you, but I could leave you in a hook and I don't tell them to say. I would never fucking teach you. And God gave us a hook and I would give my fucking life for you. Maybe you can run a shit out of this. So, you know what I'm talking about? Hey. The fuck in this game? The bird home. The fuck? And I'm gonna fucking count the next. Where the fuck am I? That, by the way, was not sent to me from anyone in the atmosphere. That I got off of like Vegas daily Instagram or something like that. Oh.

6:04To rid the data on what women find attractive and it's actually a lot of frustration on the internet. Because, yes, looking at a dude who's ripped with six pack ad, like it looks nice and it's awesome and it feels cool. All that's great. But women look at also like what I would call the golden gym God body, right? And they also can sense the life that comes along with that body. And it's kind of like me. Like that's the guy that can't just sit with me on the couch and have a piece of pizza every once in a while. That's the guy that's gonna go spend two hours in the gym instead of listening to me talk about my day. And what's fascinating is the body... And... That most women said this is the apex. This is what we find super attractive. Was a fit guy, but not a ripped guy. And what it tells me is the confident guy, the guy that stands tall, the guy that believes he's worth exercising and also believes, yeah, dude, I'll have a beer. That's the guy that she married. That's the guy she met. That's the guy she can anchor into. That's the guy who's balls like shrivel up. Seriously, man, your balls actually go smaller.

7:06I bring that, that's all I got today. I was, I'm gonna wait until fresh shows up. Now I gotta, now I gotta add live until these guys show up. Yeah, that's my life. Thanks. Hey, welcome back to the rational mail. Welcome to... Hey, could bring that around. Cool. This is gonna be a very casual stream today. Just letting everybody know firsthand. How's it gonna say that? Let's focus a little down. We haven't done... I don't know the show here in like two weeks. But yeah. So we have a, we got fresh from Fresh and Fit. My good friend Walt coming in. He should be here any minute. He told me he was here in about eight minutes ago. So I will see. Also got your, your brother's coming in. Miguel's coming in. And then we also got Mike Sartane, who just decided he was going to spontaneously start his own podcast. His live stream just a couple days ago. So, so good luck with that. I'm helping him out. And I'm on kick now too. I'd, I'd not on this stream, but like I will be, Axis Vegas will be on kick on my next one. So Mike kind of, kind of went crazy on his streams.

8:08Like every, he's like multi streaming. So like he's, he's streaming to Twitch, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and I'm trying to think, well, you know, it does, he does Instagram too, but he puts his phone there and doesn't Instagram live and just let's say, which you're having you kind of have to because Instagram like won't let you do jack shit. Um, let's uh, yeah. So we're more multi, multi platforming right now. And I'm wondering if this ain't actually the wave of the future, honestly, because you kind of have to like, if I just relied on the audience on YouTube, like right now, what are we at? We're 277. I would say good by half of that is generated by my Twitter right now. Yeah. And I'll tell you the other thing is funny. It's like whenever I'm doing, um, I live stream occasionally. I'll, I'll live stream my, uh, my band practices with jinx, right? And we'll be in there and I used to do it on Instagram on Instagram and Instagram lives thinking like, oh man, there'll be a lot of people they'll like to see this. Seven people are watching, right? I switched it over to Twitter. I've got like 800 people watching.

9:09I'm like, oh shit. So, so there is that. Yeah. Um, what else we got going on? Oh, well, back from Miami, Miami was quite the experience. I have to say, um, white party was good. It was fun. Um, made a lot of memories out there. A lot of the guys in the reignite group. Um, really, it came through. We have learned some valuable lessons, I think. Every time I do, um, an event with my guys, whether it's here in Vegas or it's in Miami or Los Angeles sometimes, uh, we will go to the vet. We do a buildup. We, uh, we get the guys together sometimes we'll do like, um, conversation skills. We'll practice with, we'll have like mock conversations with some girls that we know will come in and like, you know, give them live feedback. Cause a lot of these guys are just trying to get back into the game. They're just trying to get, uh, get their skills back or sort of just, you know, at least get themselves social instead of isolating themselves and, and everything. Um, and, uh, my guys did good. I'm, I'm very proud of each and every one of them.

10:10We had a good time. We did, uh, the fishing trip on, um, the, oh, uh, uh, uh, Bill and ours off at Bill and office, Bill and office, which is, uh, Captain, uh, Nelson, Captain Nelson, Delatory. That's where his name is. So if you are in Miami, you need to go get a fishing charter. That's the guy to go to. I feel like he's like my uncle that I go and visit like once a year, you know, he's just so fucking quiz, such a cool dude. Um, so we went out, uh, came back, had a full days fishing out there. We went to, um, I never been to this place before we went to a rooftop bar called sugar in Miami at the top of one of the hotels that's out there. And that was a lot of fun, but it was educational because I got to talk to the guys when I was there. And I said, look, I said, cause they have no clue about the location. Cause they have no clue. A lot of these guys have no clue. They never been around this caliber of women, much less any women at all, right? That it's certainly not locally. So they don't, they live in most of them, live in places that don't really have a night

11:11life. And so for them to go out and like sort of mingle and actually be, be social is, is kind of kind of a new experience for them. So we're at this, uh, we're at sugar. And I tell everybody, I said, just stop for a minute and said, now look around you. But what do you think the demographic is here? 25 to 35, maybe 40, right? And I said, how much money do you think the average person in this room makes in Miami? So we go through that. And I said, so first of all, what you need to do is you need to read the environment, right? What's the club like? Right? You got to read the, uh, this sort of the social situation. Uh, it costs $100 per person to have a table. So if you got four people, that's $400 for that table. Uh, so that's, should tell you what sugar is about, right? Drinks are 35 bucks. And that's cheap, like for a rum and coke, it's like 35 bucks. But the, so what kind of woman goes to this, and now we've established with the environment

12:15is like, what kind of woman comes here? Well, you know, of course, everybody in the chassis, they're gold diggers. This is those slaps from Miami to go out. And now they're not. They're actually very high, you know, high quality women. They're just out there, you know, mingling with the high quality man that everybody says that they want. All right. That's the, that's the game you got to play. So anyway, so we're out there. And um, it was interesting because these guys get it. They understand the environment. They understand what, you know, their situation. So that was good. And then we got to, uh, the white party, the white party is great. I, I enjoyed doing the white party for a lot of reasons. Um, one is, it gives me a chance to sort of like, sort of, I don't know, do photo ops and the optics are good. No, no doubt, but, um, I, it's a chance for people to like meet me live in person. And I, I've really looked at it that way because like when I would go to, um, babes in Toilet back in the day, when we first started access Vegas, I mean, people knew me. It was great. I was kind of overwhelmed that there were so many people that knew me.

13:16But now I'm kind of used to it. And so I've got, I, I think I did probably three spontaneous like interviews around the thing. I can't walk from one end of the event to the other without having like, you know, six or eight people hit me up for a selfie or something. And I know that sounds like I'm glossing myself. Oh, the guy is so, so fucking famous. Well, it's just a chance to get, you know, it's for, for just people to ask questions and talk to me and all that. So that, there's that aspect of it too. And it's also nice to be around like, I don't know, 300 gorgeous fucking bikini who have already just walked into the swimsuit show. That's kind of a kind of a plus for it as well. But it was, it was a lot of fun. So yeah, I would suggest if you guys want to go to the next one, our next event is going to be here. Well, there's another babes in Toilet that's coming up on in Los Angeles June 3rd. I don't have any reignite event plan for that, but we do for August 6th right here in Las Vegas. It will be swim week, Las Vegas. Swin, fashion week, I don't know what the hell they call it, but I don't care swim

14:18wear. And so there'll be, there's a lot of various events going on around swim week. It's the first week of August. And then it kind of sums up at, I think we're going to do it at Sahara again at the pool at Sahara and that's a babes in Toilet and that one's also very well attended. It's a, it's a bit, none of the bigger ones as well. So that's coming up on August 6th. And again, if this is something you guys want to do, hit me up, hit up Joe Marone. I'm with all the links that you need or I doubt are in the description. But we're going to, in the coming days, our team, our media team is already working on, you know, doing the post-production for the videos that we shot. We got a lot of pictures. If you've been following me on Instagram, you've probably seen a few of them already. But it's great. So it's, and it's fun too. I think what's, what, what people really don't get out of this is when you just see the pictures, it seems like, oh, that's so pretentious. Man, these guys just, everybody just wants to look at, yeah, well, yeah, that's what they're fucking there for, right?

15:19And why are you there? And I thought it was funny because like I've been, like, I know, I didn't, okay, full disclosure, I didn't do this on purpose, but I'm going to tell you anyways. Mike has been locking horns with Paul Elam recently. And I didn't, I swear to God, I did not set this up. I just, I thought it was funny because Paul Elam had said something about like going to social gatherings and like meeting people that way. I go, oh, so you agree with Mike Sartane and social circle game, right? And of course, Elam hates me because anything that comes out of my mouth is like from the enemy. But so now I guess there's been this dialogue between Elam and Mike. And I don't know where that's going to go. When Mike comes in here, maybe I'll bring it up, but he wanted to do some kind of debate. And like Mike's like, hey, are you in for this debate? I'm like, it reminded me of the debate I did with Alex from playing with fire. I go, I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's your turn.

16:21You get to deal with this bird. I'm interested to see what, how that will go down. So Mike has like sort of accepted some sort of debate conversation or something with him. I don't know when or where it's going to happen. No date has been set as far as I know. I mean, I'll go. Because just to hack it. Because Mike is my brother and I always have my brothers back. That's why I'll do us, right? So anyways, that's going to come up at some point. One of the things that kind of got me is whenever I go to these events or like whenever you do anything, like Kyle, you're at the gym, right? You go to the gym. You lift. How often do you lift? Oh, you don't have a mic. Just shout out how often do you lift? Four times a week. Four times a week. Four times a week. Okay. So are you have like fitness goals? Is there something you want to do?

17:22In particular, I plug it in. Yeah. Yeah. So the reason I'm asking is because I wrote a piece. Actually, it's in, I think it's my first book. It's in the second book, but it's called Crisis of Motive. And I figured this out a long time ago because I used to work in wine and spirits. And I had this conversation with this one chick. And I've had this conversation with girls on. In fact, we just did it recently on Access Vegas. And the girls will always say something. I mean, you probably heard this before where a girl will say, I dress this way for me. I don't dress it to me. Yeah. I'm not doing this for any guy or anything like that. I was like, come on. Okay. Can we just cut this shit? It's okay that you dress for. I don't care. I don't think any less of you because you want to dress like sexy. I want to be looked as a specimen. Right. Right. I want to be the guy that when I walk at, when I go to Bel Air, and I want to be the guy who's like the husband of the wife who's like, yeah, I want to get with that.

18:23Yeah, how does she get that to you? Like that's like, why and why not? Why is that, why is that fucking wrong? You know, so crisis of motive. I wrote this thing and I had this conversation with one of the girls who was doing my liquor promo at one time. And she was just, you know, screeching, let's just say, about how she dresses the way she does for her. And I'm going, I go, okay, fine. So if I came over to your house at four o'clock tomorrow, and you're going to be vacuuming their apartment or whatever I said, I'm going to find you in lingerie like this. And you're going to mean stockings and garter belt and all this other stuff. Whatever it is that you do, you go clubbing. And I'm going, you're going to look like that and not in sweatpants and t-shirt. Well, I'm going to be comfortable at home right now. BUSH! You just said you do it for you. So why would you not just, why wouldn't you want to do it all the time? It's the fuel track. Randomly. And I'm like, tension. No, it's just the reason why I called it crisis of motive is because people think that if they, if somebody's doing something, it's got to be for some reason.

19:25Uh-huh. Oh, Miguel's coming. Okay, cool. So it's got to be for some fucking reason. I'd see if fresh should be down there or have a, have Miguel, oh wait, here, wait, wait, he just, he just texted me. Okay. Freshness five minutes. Okay, he'll be down five. Okay, good. So if you see him down there, grab him. Yeah. We have to let people into the building. So like crazy. Don't come and like stalk us. So I was like looking at the, um, this, uh, this old, uh, this old essay I wrote is called crisis of motive, right? And really what it is, it's like, why can't it be both? Why can't it be both? Like if I go to the gym or like the, it's the similar situation. And this is like, guys will always say, well, the only reason you go to the gym is because you're trying to get girls. And I'm like, yeah. And. And they're like, well, you know, that's your, your, your do, you do it. You do everything for chicks. Everything you do is for chick. The way you dress, the way you look, you lift weights, do all this other stuff. Um, like I think this has become a little bit more in vogue because of like, uh, looks maxing and clavicular right now.

20:26Um, so it seems like very superficial. It seems like very sort of, uh, self-serving. I don't know whatever. But the thing is, is like, if you go to the gym, like, can it be like, I go to work, I go to work out because I want to be in shape. Um, I just had major surgery not too long ago. And even my, my surgeon said, you know, one of the reasons it was easier to do, I had a, technically had emergency surgery within the surgery. He says, one of the reasons I was easier to do it is because you're in shape. You're in better shape. You're, I don't have to cut through, you know, seven ways of fucking fat to get where I need to get to, right? Um, if you're in a, uh, an automobile accident or motorcycle accident, if you're in shape, you're going to probably be more survivable than if you're not in shape, right? I don't, that's pretty much no brainer. Um, but the very fact that you might actually, all of the, um, you know, I'm going to be also because you're getting in shape that you also might have a better sex life as a result. Like that's wrong. But if you do it because you want to be healthy and you want to be able to lift heavy things and you want to do something, you know, athletics or something, I mean, why would you do athletics in the first place if you didn't want, you know, to show off your physical

21:28prowess. So like women would want to get with you. And it's just like, it's crazy to me that you can apply that sort of madness to like anything. And so why would you do, why would I do a podcast? Why would I look like this? Why would I have fresh come in here? Why would I, well, just step out of the, why would you put on deodorant, right? In the morning. Well, you only put on deodorant because you want girls to think, to think you smell good all the time. You don't always smell like you're faking it. You don't always smell like it. And so what's the first thing like Scott Gallow, or something like this guy say, well, you need to go and, you know, get a haircut and put on nice clothes and put on some deodorant and wash your hair or something like these basic hygiene stuff, which sounds like dad, like schooling and, you know, scolding, you know, junior, like fuck off with that. Like who doesn't fucking put on, like if you're at the point where you have to be told that you got to take a shower and you got to wear some, you know, up your style and you need to put on deodorant and you need to do the basics.

22:30I think there's like, we're not in the, we're not even in that conversation mode just yet. The thing is, it's like, why would you do anything if it wasn't for fucking, right? If it wasn't for the fact that the probability of you actually getting pussy is there because you did that. Why did you want to become a doctor? Well, of course, because doctors are rich and chicks love doctors, right? Why did you want to become a fireman? Well, I wanted to say babies from burning buildings. Oh, no, you didn't. You just wanted to be in the sexy fireman calendar, right? You could make anything up out of that. Anything fits into that. Anything works with that. So when somebody's saying like, remember, this is not just for guys, this is also for women too, right? So like when women say, you know, that I don't dress this way for men, no, you do. And that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. You can say, hey, I like the way I look. Good. Good. You like the way you look, the way you will go out and have a good time with your friends and stuff like that.

23:31Awesome. But you also are doing it for you. I mean, you're hanging out with your friends, but you're also doing it because you want to draw attention to yourself. So fucking what? Like it's both can be true at the same time. You can do both at the same time. The thing is is when you're focusing on just like sort of the, you know, whatever qualifies is like superficial. And I'm quite honestly, I don't like that word superficial because what qualifies as superficial? What's fake? What's posing? People like, whoa, roll it. Take that beanie off. I took the beanie off by the way. This is this beanie off yesterday or no two days ago. And then I did it on fresh. I did it. If you haven't seen the episode of me and Myron and Mike from last Friday, not last Friday before when we were in Miami, I waited until the end of the show and I even asked Myron to start with the end of the show. Yeah, okay, because I'm waiting to do this. I took the beanie off. And so people asked me like, well, you took the beanie off. Why are you still wearing it? Because it's kind of like my, like people recognize me because I have the beanie on right

24:32now. I'll take it off. But I don't care at this point because I'm kind of like moving past that sort of phase but it's like, I thought about this. I'm like, I think I'm still going to keep the beanie, but I'll just take it off occasionally because it's one of the things that sort of makes me identifiable. I kind of like Tim Pull. If you saw Tim Pull with no beanie on and he was walking through, I don't know, Dallas Airport. He just looked like anybody else I was there. But if, and I love Tim, this is not, not that, not dig on Tim, but like, like if he didn't have that beanie on, you wouldn't know what Tim Pull. There's certain things that make guys like identifiable, right? Well, why are you wearing it? Or I got, I love it when I get the, the, well, how come he dresses? I wear muscle shirts. Why does he wear those? Why does he wear an invincible shirt? Why does he? He's 14. Why does that bother you? Why is that? Well, do you think that anything I say is going to be less valid because of how I look when

25:37I'm delivering the message? You don't know what I look like when you read my books. You don't, you don't, there's no, like the information is still the information. But you know, people say, well, you know, if you just like, if you just put on a three-piece suit or something like that and you look more professorial, people will take you more serious. I wouldn't be, I would be unidentifiable. And by the way, if I did that, would you have more respect for me for doing what I think everybody wants me to do? Or would you have more respect for anyone like fucking? I'm just going to be as comfortable as I can and this is just what I like to do. Oh, you shouldn't play in that band anymore. Do you know how, oh, you can imagine, I love it. There was a, I was talking to Phil, Phil LaBonte from all that remains. He's a, he's a regular on Tim Pull. Good friend. Good dude. I can remember at one time, like I asked him this. It was off, it was off the, it was off the air, but I asked him about this. I said, do you get, do you get hate like for being like, because he's 50, I think he's 54. So he's like, just like a couple of years, four years younger than I am, right?

26:38I said, do you get any hate for like being an abandoned year-age? He goes, dude, all the fucking time. But it's because people don't know. He's Phil, fucking LaBonte in all that remains. So people will see him like on Instagram and they'll be like, oh, imagine being his agent do with that. I'm like, yeah, you're only going to ever imagine it. Hey, there we are. We didn't see fresh down there. He said he was going to be five minutes. Yeah. He's probably coming in from the other, from the other entrance. Okay. Yeah, I'm glad. Oh, come on. I'll be right now. Miguel's here. Okay. Fresh is on Barbados time. Yeah. Fresh. Fresh and Miami is on Fresh Time in Las Vegas is on Barbados time, for sure. Man, did you hear about the Obam preaches? Oh, it was a possible not to hear. That's all I heard about over there. There's always something, man. There's always something. Okay. So when all that shit went, I don't know if you remember this, but this was back in like

27:422021. Okay. And when I first started working with Myron and Fresh, we were, I think it was August. It was August 2021. Yeah. Because the first time there was any kind of like scandal, there was any kind of like pushback. Right. And it was Obam preaches. We're fucking with them. Right. And they had, Obam preaches were on Fresh and Fit and they were on in, I think June or May of 2021. Right. And like they had the roommates on there too. They had some people who like, the people like hate them now, like they've been on the show. Right. They put them on. Yeah. And so at some point in August of 2021, Obam preaches started like talking shit about them and you know, these guys don't treat women right. And they're trying to, they're trying to say that like Myron had some sort of like secret chick that he was flying out from LA or something. And so people believed it and they were like, 30,000 fucking sums for that. Hey, there it is. Finally. Come take your seat, man. Mike's coming too. Michael be here. He said probably about an hour or so. What's up? Hey, man. What's up?

28:43I don't know. What's the time we're live right now? We are. Yeah. This is my show. We can do whatever the hell we want. I want to get some. Yeah. You got you. You got a new show now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of hours. 305 or 304. What are you calling? Three shows. I have a budget fit with me and Myron. I have a 305 me and Gary. I have a half hours just me. Slavery guests. Yeah. Dreamers influencers. Hot girls. 101. More intimate. We're down to earth. Yeah. So you just do kind of like we were doing right out. I just have like I think I've seen some of them on the run. Because you know what it is, bro? A lot of people want to talk to me. A lot of things that I didn't want to tell other people. They're going to cool with them. And they'll say don't come with me alone, you know? Yeah. That's my angle with the whole 101. Mike just launches a livestream. I just saw him on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. That's why he's like he's I was just mentioning. He's on like so many different platforms. Yeah. He was like actually 14 platforms. But we don't know how good an idea that we have to because you kind of do that.

29:44But we were so platform agnostic in a way. Yeah. I'm too YouTube. Yeah. And if you look at it, YouTube is demonetized this. They've taken us off the program. They've tried to band us to an extent. And it's kind of like if you want to expand and before you're at your band, how can you do that on one platform? You want to know something? Charlie just lost his channel. Yeah. He got deleted. His channel got deleted off of YouTube. No way. Yeah. Really? Two days ago. Yeah. Cool to date. See what I mean? I mean, I'm not even like a like a bad platform. You teach a people how to about crypto. Dude, I always tell them you my channel first because I say weight crazy shit. And Charlie is not even a red pill. Yeah. I actually say some red pill content on my show and stuff like that. But I don't think that's it though. I think I think that there's something they switched the algorithm over to Gemini. It's Gemini. It's like, RooTie. Yeah. Yeah. Like, for example, we're demonetized. We have a better chance now than before because it's just AI. So it's kind of like, yeah, do that. I think it was algorithm switching and people got wrapped up in like the purge.

30:44I think we're going to get it back because he wasn't doing anything. Basically, from what we can figure out, it was like, they're going after content of like the... So there's like, you're just enough streams where people are like live streaming other people's content for like 24 hours. You know, that sort of stuff. So they're trying to go up through that. So I think Charlie was sharing a, not a news article, but a news clip. And he wasn't on the screen at the time. He was talking. And while I was playing, they probably thought that, oh, this guy's just a rebroadcast. A rebroadcaster channel. Right. And they asked his whole channel. Yeah. They thought it was reuse content. Contents. Well, you can, you can also peel. Oh, no, that's what they didn't give us any, they didn't give us a strike. They just like deleted it. We're like, but this is why I'm subbing a rumble because if it rumble, you can do what you want, say what you want. And of course, it's not as, I want to say, hot and sexy from marketing as YouTube. Yeah. But you have the actual platform to do what you need to do. Yeah. So what you need to say. I'm on rumble and we put access Vegas on rumble. And I did that just, just as a failsafe. I mean, we're still on, on YouTube. But when we started doing access, because I have a bigger following than Mike and because we're re-launching,

31:50or we're launching a new channel when we did it. So like access Vegas is just this side of 10,000 subs, right? Yeah. But then again, subs don't mean shit anymore. No, so just after your point, I get this, this actual industry, beautiful more years. Okay, I'm guessing you're like, or live streaming. Yeah, live streaming. Oh, okay. But think about it. Netflix is trying to get into live streaming all time. Hollywood is dead too. Yeah, Hollywood is dead. Competitors, you know what? Rather than spend five million on a billboard, or they pay a creator of streams to market their products. It's true. You know, if entering casinos, entering, you know, actual brand deals, where are they going? Streamers. And they're some of the most sought after creators now on the planet. I just came from a brand where it's in Ross's event, right? And if you look at the talent there, it's mostly creators, but they're making bags of money. Yeah. The art industry is pretty much clean cut. We add value, sort of park as part of the service. We get the value back from the viewers. And we push that more and more and more.

32:51But if you think about it, what's the better ROI? If I stream content, entertainment, the good laugh, and fun, companies can pay me up to 200K a month, just because of that. Just to do the show. We're grinding our ass off. And by the way, Chad, obviously, people always add value, but like, think about it. They're doing bare minimum, entertainment, getting paid, 10X will be get paid. So the industry is leaning towards this. And at some point, it's going to phase out everyone else. So my point is, even in our space, as far as the resources, the actual real metric now isn't really that. Is how well can you work yourself to a company to survive what's coming next? That's the biggest thing. And as a creator, look at it from this standpoint. This is why I'm in my own way, my own way of doing it. It just needs because you're better off being cool with a owner of a company than anything else. Because look at Adon Ross and kick and Eddie. Yeah. Him being cool, Eddie is where it is today. It's why it is where he is today. Think about us.

33:51You know, like rumble. It's kind of like you need to, unlike yourself with a platform that has your ideals and your values. And you let the charge on there for rumble for fresh and fit. Absolutely. We don't, dude, you know, without certain things in place, we wouldn't be here today. But that's my point. Our content is so vague driven and so like real that some companies are like, like, you know what? This is good for this lane, but not for our advertisers. Yeah. And as a result, you know what? You make us money, but we don't need that much. Goodbye. Right. And then how do we help people out that need help? Right. We need outlet. Yeah. How did you make this decision as a channel of yours? Because you guys were like during that before you guys lost monetization and stuff. I mean, you guys were like the fastest growing channel on YouTube. I mean, I especially, I think you guys had the most amount of live streamers, basically. I do it. It was crazy at the time right? Yeah. Back in like 2021, 2021, like August summer. We would, we would stream. We wanted to Sunday, seven days a week to your stream. No one has ever done that since. Yeah. Because I remember when we were in 21, we were going to your, we were going to Miami to go on your show every two to three months.

34:53Every time we go live, double the views. Literally, like we were like, oh wow, like 1500 live 3000. And remember one show where we're like 8,000 people live. We're like, whoa, dude. And that's not even counting like the extra reviews later. Just live live views. And so just YouTube only were like, whoa. Can't say it is though. Yeah. You know, it's funny. People made a joke about me. I actually fell off. Because my viewers are on live, right? Mm-hmm. But they don't understand like, that doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. What matters is your actual connection to a company. And the funny part is, I make more money now with less views. How's that possible? And it's because I built what's relationships. But just to back to what you're saying now. If I'm someone I once get into this kind of space, I'm not trying to go out crazy and be a full like blown like idiot online and get views. No, no, no, no. I want to understand. Okay. If I'm going to do entertainment, where can I go for the best bank, my book? Because look, you can sell the, well, I'm not in for the money. Bro, you're aligned to yourself in the audience. Every creator wants to make money.

35:53That's how you sustain your platform. That's how you build your audience. You build also the marketing. You need actual revshare from your content. So don't get that. You're just dumb. Honestly. However, luckily for us, we can add value at the same time as getting paid. Which is hard to come by because most creators do this dumb shit. Yeah. My point is, in the repose page, especially, we have the foundation people don't have. Right. The foundation people don't have is a fun joke, whatever, a couple of money moments. That's all they have. We have to robot you. Now, first, to survive, I think, from this period of time here with this current marketplace, Hollywood is dead. It's really dead, bro. And I know it's because some people flew creators out there to LA to get the sauce from them. Right. You know what I'm talking about, one of the biggest in the space. And it's like, why are they going to put somebody up to LA, and they're going to be needing to pay them hundreds of millions of dollars to tell them how to clip? It's because they want our sauce and they want to know how to market themselves.

36:53Yeah. My point is they're trying to make it something. They want to know how we do what we did to stay relevant all this time. Is that way, like, their agencies are kind of with, like, the social media agencies to, like, show up on an IRL stream. Like, hey, whoa, I'm trying to speed up on, you know, randomly. I'll give you an example. Same thing with yesterday. It was a conference, right? Yeah. It was full of creators. Now, look at what grammar is. It is a fighting, I want to say a machine. We bring creators to libraries to fight on a card. However, that's not good to monetize directly because you got to pay it on this. You got to pay to fighters. Whatever you want, you want to get them, which is a lot of money. Then you got to pay for the venue. It's as much money you've got to spend. However, look at the market in. Yeah, it guess what's gonna happen when you bring creators. They're gonna stream. We're gonna get content. And it just blows your shit up. So imagine this, I'm a sponsor. I'm like, if I had to put up a logo or a video,

37:56I could pay billboard in Vegas. I don't know. How much a month? Yeah. 50K a month. 50K a month. 100K a month. Just put my board. Dude, we drive all the time on a road. Who's looking at a fucking billboard? Nobody. Or I could pay a creator. Or in a Ross, the placement of my ad on the screen. No. And in the building, it's eyeballs. Yeah. So ultimately, my point is, I think this business is changing. And even as a red poll influencer, if you don't adapt now, you're gonna die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that one time. This was a couple of years ago. I remember Myron once said, he says, you know, the days of like just sitting in your home studio and just yammering on about whatever, you know, and it goes up to be red pill stuff. He's at the day and just sitting down and just doing it solo. So it was a con. You have to like up your game. And that's when I realized I wanted to do an access day. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, we were working with, we tried to make it work out with value team. And that didn't happen. And then we brought it back to Vegas. Thanks to this guy. You know what? What I love to do is show a role, though, every week.

38:57Because he is of an older generation and has the values that we still need. I'm just like, I'm younger, right? But I'm also like able to talk to young people. Talk to old people. I'm like in the middle right now. So I see both sides. I'm like, damn, like they want to be more, I want to say geared towards wholesome direction. But social media itself just brainwashed them. And our generation is like, yo, I don't understand these dumb kids. Why are you doing this stuff? It's because it's social media. I thought it grew up. It's a laptop on iPad interfaces. How do I break this spell? But it's, well, and then they've also like got it down to a science as far as like the psych, like human psychology. And I don't think enough people really realize, like this is kind of like in our, in me and Mike's wing house, anyways, when it comes to like, when it comes to the site, like human psychology and what people swipe on and what they don't, right? What they click on and what they don't. There's a reason why TikTok videos that are 45 seconds longer popular, right? There's a reason for it. And so how does like something like a TikTok

39:58or a real or something like that, how does that go viral? There's, it's down to a science. And it doesn't matter what the content actually is. It's how the content is delivered. So you can have, you can be selling, you know, ramen noodles or some shit like that. And that can go viral. And your very important message about like some red pill truth dies on the table. Yeah. Because if you had to deliver it, like ramen noodles, people, it would have gone viral and people would have loved it. So you just describe something that's very important in space. It's called distribution. So if you're a creator, or you just already remember, right? How do you see content? Is it value? Or is it a method behind the scenes you don't see? And look a clavicle, right? He basically showed the world that you don't have to have much of a strategy. Or he'd have is a foundation, whether it's beauty. A competency. Yeah, yeah. In the industry talk, close maxing red pill, but he didn't, he didn't vehicle to get that out there. Did he do it? That is his greatest strength is the ability to jam it out there.

41:00And then I mean, I've, you probably seen the video already. I've talked about it as well, but like I know for a fact, and I'm not saying it's right or so wrong, but I know for a fact that the guy had like what two billion paid views in April and part of May, right? As a result of being on kick and the kick, of course, funds. Of course they do. They're gonna, they're biggest star. Of course they're gonna put the money into this guy. He's got something like what, 1,610, like re-streamers or reviewer, like that basically did exactly what Andrew, exactly, clippers did exactly what Andrew Tate did in 2022. And then industrialized it, turned it into a machine. He like, Tate pioneered it because he was doing it solo. He had, he was like, you know, join our group and we'll pay you to, you know, you'll get X amount of dollars. You can be a member or whatever. And he became the quote unquote most downloaded guy or the most search guy on the internet, right? As a result of he, he, he, he, Gamed the algorithm, but he did everything by the book. He didn't cheat. He just got enough guys to go and play by the rules. And he got fucked for it, you know, in August of 2022,

42:01because that's when he got de-platformed and all this money. I was, you know, money, what is the payment process? It's all got, you know, a clip. But he did, he played by the rules, played by the rules. You know where he learned that was from that was the AMC game stop. What was that called? What's the name? You know, the money, the dumb money. It was the, you know, you see the Netflix documentary on it? Yeah, like, yeah, it's, you know, it's, it's about, it's, it's, it's, it's Wall Street beds, but it's like the game stop. The game suck, AMC, they got enough people, like crowdsourced it enough. And they said, why this? I'm going to hold it. And we're going to fuck those guys over. And that's when like what Robin Hood decided they were going to put a whole lot of trades. And they played by the rules. Yeah. They, they play, and you know, who is in that, what's surprised you? Because I watched that, that on that Netflix documentary. And your tape's right there doing ex, oh, he's part of the whole thing. And I think that's where he learned that, where he learned the, let's crowdsource all of this stuff. Well, play by the rules. But if you get enough people to do it, then you can overwhelm the algorithm. Absolutely. What Clav is doing, it's exactly what he's doing.

43:03He's number two on that list too. And I'm not saying it's big spend too. It's big spend too. It's big money. Well, it costs money to do that. But if you have like a, if you got a big spender like kick who wants to build their platform, they're going to spend that on them. If you're in the right place, the right time. I mean, like what's funny to me is like people keep asking me like, hey, Roller, what do you think of this new looks maxing thing? New? What the fuck you talking about? Do you remember looks or face an LMS? Endotes? Does anybody remember the looks like this? Black pills. Black pills. I can't find a black pill. Well, people, I love it when people go, what are these in cells? I'm like, they're the guys who used to be in the true forced loneliness, like user groups, right? There's the guys who are like the forever loans on forechand, right? And they were offshoots really of the MRAs. And then they just, the black pillers decided to go one way and make towels one another way. MRAs went on. We talked about it right before. I think it was one of the first things you did in Las Vegas or right before he came to Vegas. We literally, you made all these predictions about where like the red pill was going to go into politics. What was one of the things I said? I was like, looks, Max, I'm just start blowing up.

44:04And because I saw that whole segment, because I was like, I mean, like, because obviously it was like the guys who came up with the looks, Max and stuff were all kind of like basically me and fresh as age and older, basically. And I knew at some point you're going to get some, the zoomers coming in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You mentioned the zoomers are going to get cut out by the generation alpha at some point, too. Can I say the secret? Yeah. This is for the audience only for roll of stream. My roll of blood. Oh, my black is on for the black pill as well. There we go. Oh, wait. So guess just you guys know where? Oh, there you go. Off white. OK, OK, you bought this for me. I know, man. Of course, people don't appreciate that. But listen, kick has an awfully on the stream industry. I'll tell you why. Kick is literally bought out. Most lippers want X. They're really. They're not so I know, but not because there's a spreadsheet of all the clippers. Yeah, we know that was in the dock. If you talk about the pages, on Twitter, on the next. Yeah, I was going to. Yeah, now imagine, right? If I own the clippers and I'm their budget, I pay prison,

45:04give them all the money for a budget, right? Why would they turn on me? And then let's say, for example, I want to take them from kick. If I'm a guy with a lot of money, I'll just pay them out. The problem is is kick has longevity, because they have unlimited funds, right? Obviously, the owner has a lot of money and it's just like that. Owners. Anyhow, my point is, is if I'm going to try to beat kick, I have to pay the clippers way more than they're getting paid right now. Yeah. Now, who would spend that much money just to outbeat kick? What's the ROI? There is none. Yeah, because you can't outbeat them. You know why? They're not funded by a return of $1. They're funded by gambling. Data's true. And all I need is eyeballs. If I can create eyeballs for these companies, they'll pay me. So remember, I say before, it's not a matter. Yeah. These don't really matter that much. I mean, they help a lot, of course, but they're not the main end all be all. Exposures, everything.

46:06And I reckon I spoke to myself to, like millions of people with clips. Yeah. And I have eyeballs on all my stuff. How do you beat that? You can't. Do you remember when I was, it was in 2021. When you guys first came on and I came on the show in January of 2021, I was at like 80, 85,000 subs. And you guys are like 30,000 subs. By March, you guys were already passed me up. And then I think it was April of that year. You guys hit 100,000. So you got there before I did. And then I hit 100,000 on the show in, like, May or something like that. And then you got, I was slowly going and you guys kept snowballing after that. But do you remember what we first got? I got that fucking platinum plaque. 100,000 fucking subs. I was reading this thing about how the algorithm had switched over to Gemini and Google had changed everything. And I thought, they're just by six things. Yeah, subs don't matter. I'm like, but I got this flat. Yeah. I was so fucking proud of it.

47:07It's funny. We championed those plaques, like they're actually like, like a me, something, but they really don't. I'm at some point they did back in the day. It's got like a blue check mark on Instagram. Right. I'm verified. I miss something in the past. I was like, I was just like, you have to have it so you can like, have the premium service. Yeah. So things have changed. I'm just saying this as a creator as well. It's never I'm realizing you don't have to work as hard anymore. You just got to work smart. Yeah. If you put the platform from obviously, you're just putting in work and time and effort, you have what companies want. Now, this distribution, a marketed and correct way, can make millions overnight. Literally, you can make millions. I was at, um, Brandaris yesterday. I met some creators. They're 20 years old, bro. 19 years old, making 400 came up. I'm like, how's this possible? You're not on YouTube like that. You're not on Twitch. What are you doing? I'm going to kick gambling. Yeah. Now, I'm not saying gambling is an obvious. So they're making money by gambling. Okay.

48:07No, they're making money from there. So they're being the crypto all the casinos are paying them bags. Just for exposure. Oh, just for exposure. Okay. So, you can make today. Now, what's that going to do? Do it? Does anyone know? Well, it's going to distort the marketplace. Yeah. Because not only become the main streaming, um, content or streaming like, I guess, sponsors for creators, which means if you're not gambling, you're falling about your following hang because you don't have to add spend. You cannot beat them, bro. So it's kind of unfair because how do you come back that? Right. And even if you use your own money, it can never meet up to what they might Monday to get spent on creators. Look up. For example, if I have unlimited budget to put clips on there and create massive distribution, how do you beat that? Yeah. There's one way. But does anyone know? No, what is what is what's the one way? Tell me quickly. I can't say my camera. Okay. But that's what I will say because I'm actually doing this for, for, um, company right

49:08now. You have to understand that this industry is rigged. Yeah. If you're interested in this, you're rigged. It's a game being played. Those two things have to be on the table first. Right. And from there, if I'm a creator, how do I maximize my value to my audience? One, but me and it might be at the same time. If you do something simultaneously, you go in. But keep in mind, you need clips. And this one way you could do it kind of like your own, I guess, ecosystem. You need to create your own clippers that have big pages to push your content. Yeah. But guess what I said earlier, it was most of them. Yeah. And I was like, well, you can do. And it's just some free value here. Aren't they like, you know, the clippers like they're, they're like in Pakistan, right? They're like in a country's where like they paid them less and it's still a really great wage for their everywhere. There's, there's, there's two tiers. There's, like, clippers is like a broad term, right?

50:10So there's like the regular clippers like, like, like sort of like how, like, how a tape sort of they like, he had his guys just start off pages for the first time. Yeah, well, he started his own kick basically like he had his own thing. But there's, there's established pages brands like like in hip hop, right? There's, there's only like so many big million, million followers like hip hop brand pages. One source pages are locked in. It takes a long time for like maybe every four years, you get me one new hip hop page or two hip hop pages that hit like a million, two, three million views. By controlling most of those big legacy pages, they have people that just fall them casually and then those clips start going out and then you can't, it's the same thing. This is starting to happen even in the crypto space. There's like two zoomer guys. I know they're affiliated with kick and stuff like that and they're everywhere. They're getting no views on their videos. But like they're, I cannot help I see their views and stuff. And then because you see them, you think start getting things. Can you say this? Yeah. They'll make money from clips that views on the stream. Yeah. Oh yeah. And you might say, oh, they fell off. They're making millions or making a lot of money because what does one's to see?

51:12They see, okay, this guy's everywhere. We'll pay you. That's all it takes. Yep. You use the matter like back in the day, you're taking a watching or you're amazing. Now it's like how do you distribute your content? Right. Come over. People's like, I want to say viewpoints are for attention are very low. Look at TikTok. You just scroll up and down. Yeah. Dude, they don't want to see our stream. Tartarus stream. They want to see maybe 30 minutes max clips. The hot take. And that's it. Clip and back to work back to someone else. So industry shows a lot with the subtitles on because they don't want to be the volume up. You think about what does the audience want to see? And to be honest, look at who your audience is. It's someone either a disabled veteran or someone that doesn't have a job or has like low like, I want to say, real world responsibility because to sit on a stream all day and watch your bro, you got to be like doing nothing because if you're working, you can watch after you finish work, but not you come to end. Yeah.

52:13Are you watching it while you work? Which is pretty smart. Yeah, that's what a lot of my audience does. I've been doing this. I think the 100% agree with you. I actually like diversify as far as like doing clips kind of stuff because people keep telling me I need to do more short form stuff, right? And I'm looking at this and I'm like, well, what's the sort of sweet spot for a short form video and you're looking at eight to 12 minutes, like 30 minutes is too long. But even then, even if you have that, you still got to have people rebroadcasting that over and over again. Yes. People got it. Yes. And if you don't have even a small army behind you to do that, you're never going to reach the levels of, you know, quote unquote popularity. That's why I laugh when people like, if I say something about looks maxing and then people go, is he talking about clavicular? I'm like, I like clavicular. I don't have a problem with him, but if you even like hint that the army will come after you because they're part of the, they're part of the clippers, right? They'll, they'll, oh, you're, you're professionally jealous of him. I'm like, in another, you know, 18 months, there's going to be another clavicular.

53:15There's going to be another Aiden Ross because that, the heal, that's what I was going to ask you. So you got these guys who are really super popular right now. We've got clav who's going on 60 minutes. He's going on a pierced Morgan. He's getting walking off, you know, interviews and shit like that. He can pretty much get away with whatever the fuck he wants to do right now. But after a while, there's going to be another dude that's going to come in and take out, yeah, that's like tick, tick, tick. So, so, one, first thing first, this is why I'm in my agency, CEO media agencies because I realized there's a gap between what creators can do, what companies can do. And you see, you see before you make a, make a content, but like, if I can't find you or find your content clips anywhere, then does it really matter? No. I'm just a plumber, right? Yeah. Me and the best plumber in the world, we have the best like certs and like, you know, recommendations, but I don't know, I don't know who you are. How can I hire you? Yeah. So, in the same token, this one's saying, content by itself is great. Mm-hmm. But you need clips. And if you don't make any clips right now, but you're dead because no one, no one can

54:16see you. Even a dumb clip of you getting like roasted or something like that is good because it's exposure. So my thing is like, once you can master this distribution, you could survive and thrive. Not, you're just spending your wills basically. That's all distribution at that point. Yeah. I was going to say, I was talking to some of the guys that I, I mean, I moved over to Substack because I'm, I still to ride right all the time, right? And Substack started to become something more substantial because like more so than, than even Twitter right now. And I think it's interesting what's going on with Twitter because I get, I pull money from Twitter. Like if I go and, I figured out the, I think I figured out the algorithm for Twitter. It's good. And then I go to, I can post a two sentence just edgy tweet. And a lot of guy do is reply to a few of the comments in there. And I will get 17,000, 25,000, 50,000. I've had stuff go like 700,000 on a one sentence tweet. And then they also, they also want you to use the articles feature that they, like, they're

55:18really pushing articles. And so damn near every article I do goes to at least 100,000, okay, on, on anything I write. And it can be just a short thing. It's have to be this doctoral thesis. It can be just a short little, you know, something that's a little edgy. And it's, people can read it inside of three minutes and they're good with it, right? Because most people don't want to read. They're one of, you know, but there are, that there still is that audience who's like more of the high brow kind of stuff that they're moving over to Substack because that's starting to turn into like, okay, that's the alternative to, to, to Twitter, right, or X, whatever. And then, but the thing is, is after a while, that platform is going to get infiltrated by all people. Oh, does this where everybody went? They're going to like find their way in. They're going to find the other way to commercialize it. You can actually live stream on Substack now. And there's, there's other, you know, I like Substack quite a bit, but, but Twitter is interesting that in that they will pay you for your tweets. And people just can't seem to figure out why a creator like me can get paid like $600

56:22or $1000 in a month and like, Brian from whatever podcast has way more followers than I do and gets way more engagement. He makes $45. Yeah. X is not a good place to monetize. I've done a kitty exercise. I know it's a good. The kitty made that statement and made the monetize DOM as a bro. Yeah. If you're going to monetize people that make your, make your platform thrive with news, or you could just forget it. No one's going to, because think about it. What do you go X for news or are you content? Yeah. It's kind of like, you just killed the whole, I'll go because you want to be petty. I don't know. I don't get it, bro. And then you, what is that? What is that? The content guy in charge of a Twitter, Nika. Yeah. Yeah. He's made a lot of him using crypto, man. He went after, he went after communities and stuff as well, which piece people off. Because, basically, what they're leaning towards is they're trying to just have you make, it's like people, it's a place to post like your links to like, hey, I'm alive on YouTube right now. I'm like, I'm Rubble, we'll kick. This is my DS for today. I'm going to be on here later on. And that's what people are mostly using it for besides news.

57:22What they're trying to go for is they're trying to have, like, you need just people who only stream or make content only on X, which no one does, basically. They even try to get rid of spaces for them. They didn't tell everyone fucking lost their shit. They were going to get rid of spaces and people were like, why are you going to get rid of spaces? And even Elon had like, we'll kind of roll that back because they were going to get rid of it. Yeah. So the other thing is this is like, I look at some like a kick right now is I think in the golden year, like, this is a sweet spot for kick. If you want to jump in right now, like, this is the elevators at the bottom right now to get on. And obviously they're going to be a force in the coming years, right? Then there's Rubble. And I got on Rubble because of you guys because when they demonetized you, I'm like, I ain't going to be long for me, right? So I got on Rubble and I started simulcasting to Rubble and then I had access Vegas, the access Vegas channel got demonetized back right around almost the same time you guys did. And I was like, why the hell did I didn't get any reason for it?

58:23And it was demonetized for over a year. And at the time, we were like maybe 7,000 subs. We weren't even playing to that big an audience at that time. And I think I've made a grand total of $300 a month off of the thing. We were doing it because we're trying to build the channel. We just wanted to have, you know, it was really just so we could get clips out of it, right? And like for Mike and I, it's the labor of love. We just like to do it. We enjoy, you know, the shows, but we also like for him, that's, it's all content creation for him. And it's not, give you look at his like Instagram. It's nothing but access. Well, almost nothing but access Vegas clips. And then when he's on Ryan Pineda or something else. But then it was demonetized. I couldn't understand why it was. And then after Trump came into office, I'm like, what if I could get remodeled? I said, I feel it afterwards. Boom, like within a month, I was like, damn. And so they reassessed it and they gave me the monetization back. And we were monetized for about eight months. And then they demonetized it again just recently, like a couple months ago. And I was like, damn, what do we do? And it was because of the algorithm they switched over to Gemini.

59:26And Gemini flagged our channel as reusing content. And I go, yeah, our content. So what was happening was I would simulcast to the rationale to this channel, to Mike's channel, to the access Vegas channel, to the Rumble channel as well, though wouldn't show up on there. But at least three different channels on YouTube were sourcing from the same broadcast. So once the show was over, once broadcast was recording now, that's when it gets into the realm of this is a re broadcast of somebody else's. And though it's on the same, it's owned by the same people, but they don't know that. They just see the clips or something like that. And they say that demonetized it. It took me all five minutes to do like a quick video and I say, hey, look, I think I know what happened. I'm just what I told you. I said, I think we're just getting swept up in this because we simulcast. This is actually our material. We aren't reusing it because we're the ones doing it, right? I pointed it out and I got it. Like, you know what I was going to say? It'll take like two to four weeks for them to respond to you. It was like within a day.

1:00:26It was back. That's probably AI. Like, this is job, but there's no human like, you know, it does it very well. Yeah. Yeah. So it's good and bad at the same time. Yeah. Right. So you got that gone. It's crazy. They don't have an affiliation, but I'm affiliated with this channel. It's sort of like this channel has permission to use my content and use it. And then you as fresh and fit to accept. And there's no problem anymore. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be way better. Yeah. The problem. Okay. I think I've really underutilized Rumble. I mean, we use it for access Vegas. I'll like mirror this show to Rumble. So as soon as it's over, it'll be a recording on Rumble, right? But there is. You know, okay, you want to use Rumble, Rumble correctly? Pretty simple. She does. You live stream a Rumble, but you do add rates. Let's tell you why. If you look at Rumble, it's a public-traded company, right? But they can't part. They can't cheat because they do it. They'll be off the Z. So what they do is they see, you know what? As a creator, we know how hard it is to monetize and get your money. You're a work.

1:01:27You bring viewers to our platform or reward you with add reads. And these add reads are built into the Rumble studio. So you read the add read, you can get between two to four, the five to six, K add read. From a Rumble, the Rumble stream. Do you do that? Do you do that like weekly, bro? You'll rock up like 10, 20, 30 K easily a month. That's the music best for Mario. For Bluetooth. Get for me. I'm just like, I'm on sales right now. Look, I get streamed for hours on cake, right? Yeah. I make close to the same money. Or do one add read. The love viewers. So to me, it works harder on artists. That's something like, I get people going to kick, but if you were really smart about how you did your content, you just do the regular shows, read the add read, and you're done. But you can pick and choose your add reads. Yeah. There's a bunch of them in your catalog. You just choose what you want. I said, Rumble gives you the add, they just add. So I'm like, as a creator, I'm like, okay, you're working extra hard. Cool.

1:02:27I'm over to work smart. Like at this point, what are we doing? I constantly get emails from people who want to do a collab or they want me to do an add read on YouTube or something. I'm also just spam shit. Yeah. Well, sometimes I'm wondering, like, what the fuck do these people think I am? I get like, add reads from like, Mary K Cosmetics or something. We really love your content. No, you don't. You know what? You know? You know, companies that filter between creators and other companies. Basically, they'll say, you know what? Forget all the spam emails you get for washed up or random, not nonsense sponsors. We'll give you the real sponsors. We just take a cut. I think Sean Gallagher does that very well. Yeah. I mean, Sean Gallagher has very work. I hate to say it because I love Sean, but like, Sean has some very low view, like videos. I'm like, how the hell does this guy make money? I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I have a lot of clients of money. Everyone watching. Divide views don't matter anymore. Look, it's like, this is back in it, like 2021 to 2018, it came to 2021, 2017.

1:03:32Yeah, it mattered. Now, no, it doesn't matter. All is just distribution. If you can master that one thing, guys, we're going to be most of the managers. Just just distribution. That's it. I used to be mad because I, ever since I got wrapped up in that DHS, watchlist shit, with the NG with a diverting head. Yeah, conspiracy theory, but now it's really. Yeah, I'm suddenly going to roll these big conspiracy theories. I remember then because I looked at the, the, the, their annual report and they were, like, you were on there and Pearl was on there and Rich Cooper and Eric Clary was on there. And so like, everyone's on there. I kept asking, I said, have you, have you gained any subs or lost any subs? No. We have been stuck at the same level of subs for two fucking years, man. We are locked. I'm locked at 224,000. I can't gain anymore and I can't lose anymore. I have no idea how that works, but apparently we're on some sort of list where we get locked like that. And same thing with Aaron. Aaron hasn't, he can't gain or lose either. So I think that's probably something that had to do with that, all that shenanigans that

1:04:35went on. Aaron's so smart with his money, man. He's so smart with his money. I got it. Yeah, one of the best. Yeah, literally. I'm a, I'm a, this is smart as there, but hey, I make it work in a different ways, you know? So look, look at his age versus your age and stuff like, and also too, like, I mean, it just comes, it's like, it's like, it came so fast too and stuff like, you know, Aaron is like, okay, so like, for me, I'm playing Aaron's game on hard mode, right? I mean, because, because I'm married, I take care of my mother-in-law, I have a daughter, I take care of her still, you know, many different ones. I have people that depend on me, you know, like even just people that are, I'm just cool with, you know? But man, he's, Aaron's, it's not the same. Aaron is an asshole, but like, but, but, but, he's an eyepassal. He's an eyepassal, right? Aaron's an eyepassal. He's got a problem. Yeah, that's why, he'll be, he'll be the first one to tell you that. But, no, it's like, you know, when you, when you're at that certain point right there, then you start to realize like what your, what your liabilities are, right?

1:05:39And so when you have a kid, that's all that, I hate, I have a kid. That's a liability. So liability. And you've got to be able to, to, if you want to have a kid, you've got to be able to afford a kid, right? So, simple as that. I don't think it's anything wrong with that. But, um, then it's also not just money, it's time. Well, I can remember, I'm sure fresh remember this, but the whole fucking vasectomy tweet, right? That was because I had watched Brandon Carter talking about how he was going to streamline his life and he never went to publics to go grocery shopping and he never had to worry about his clothes because he had the laundry service and he doesn't own a car, which of course it's a brickled, why would you own a car anyways? And then, you know, anything that would take him away from working on, you know, doing something, he would just streamline it and outsource it and no kids or nothing. That's what inspired the tweet. I was like, why would, I'm playing this game on fucking hard mode, man. Uh-oh. Here he is. With a brand new boy, you would have loved that, uh, the last conversation we just had, man. Are you going to put him in?

1:06:40Yeah. You're going to add him like a cool, now you can watch this show on his channel too. That's the best thing. Like we have such a good, like collaboration. Yeah. Now, you were just saying a second ago about how you're going to these, like, Aiden Ross is a trade show. What was the name of the event you just went to? Oh, Brand Risk. Okay. Brand Risk. Brand Risk is what it's called. Funny name, right? Yeah. Okay. And how this whole business is evolving right now. So think about, think about this. Think about this. Think about this. Think about this. Think about these. By the way, I was fresh last Friday. I was in your seat. That's a, which was funny because the last time I was in Miami, I was in my run seat and you were across. But, uh, no, but now we have these relationships between me and you and myron and Mike and everybody who we, like, we're still very, very cool with. So, like, for instance, we're going to simulcast to Mike's stream or like when we do access Vegas, we'll simulcast there. Or you guys come out to do a show with us or we come out and do a show with you.

1:07:41We have this sort of, just understanding that, you know, hey, if you want to, you know, simulcast, that's fine. You know, I'm happy to broadcast to your audience as well as mine at the same time. How is that going to affect what we do in the future as this thing grows into something else, right? So, like, if the, for instance, like when we're talking about kick and making money off a kick or doing ad reads and stuff like that, um, as a result of the connections and the relationships that we built over the last five or six years, I guess almost six years now, um, think about what our opportunities are going to be as a result of having built up those relationships over that. I think there's going to be groups in, uh, separate groups, for example, if you look at most in industry, people now, there's AMP, there's, uh, ADNs group, there's, um, the red pill, there's, um, I want to say conservative spaces. There's also a loop. There's groups of people that are facing content, face clans, face clans.

1:08:43Yeah. So, it's already separated, but it's going to be even more so now with the whole, like, I guess, uh, platforms, how they operate. Right. So, yeah, you're right. I think it's going to be groups within like the platforms and there's platform versus platform attack and stuff like that. Do you see ever see it? Like it gets to a point where like a consolidation or like it's going to be like, we're all kick even though we're all separate groups. We have to attack or something like it is, it's just, or it's just going to stay as new content creators, you just make, keep making their own thing. It's going to depend on how money is distributed because, okay. Look at it from the standpoint of like, how it is now. If I have a group of people, right, they're making me money with my group. Why do I bring you in? Are you in? Right. My flow are ruining it because your brand is to me. So I think it's going to depend on what your values are and how you just put your money because if I know for sure, it's persons okay with my brand deals and okay with my platform, yeah, come on. That's what cloud. They're not your exed out immediately. This reminds me a lot of like, it's sort of like we're record labels in a way like you

1:09:43go, you got motowns. Yeah. You got motowns and then it's like, okay, you go to a certain size. Let me add you. Let me get you. So, it makes sense. But Miguel just said is 100% correct. Streamers are the new rappers and labels are new platforms. So if you think about it from that standpoint, we're actually the talent they use to get sponsors, get deals. And if you're smart, look at all the big artists. They are cool with the label owners or labels because they know the label likes you. You're going to be put in top spot. Yeah. It don't like you. You're going to forgotten and then moving on. Lots of them say that's the way that and just like the music industry, you either appear or you disappear. You got to keep doing new shit. I saw this thing and I remember once I get my surgery done and I was in the hospital and I had my laptop there. I was watching the video of Clavicular running over that dude in a cyber truck. And this is all like Christmas Eve.

1:10:43It was December 24th. And I'm like, oh, this is the end of the class. I got you such a brief career, right? No, like nothing happened. I was like, what the fuck? And then remember when he was in Scottsdale and he got arrested for having a fake ID at some Scottsdale club, right? Does he not have to go to the arrangement or something like that? Does he just pay a fine or something? Like, how come there's no legal? Remember where he's streaming? Yeah. It was YouTube done. Right. He's OK. Yeah. They have connections that other people never use because. Once you're in that box, you're in that box and they just span you. But with kick, you don't have to do anything, bro. For sure. So here's the thing. OK, so I got to think about this. Think about it. Think about that. So I've been watching, say, like, I don't even want to call them. Maybe they're mainstream, a list or like Chris Williamson, for example. Oh, OK. He had this show and he was interviewing Wilcoastello.

1:11:45He had Freya in India. So he just wrote a book or something like that. This other chick was a evolutionary psychologist. And then it's Chris Williamson on there. And they're having this back and forth. He's got this new format, not unlike this, where they're sitting at a table and having this back and forth. And they are talking about the looks-maxing niche. Right. It's at this new craze called looks-maxing. And how does this bowd for the future of Gen Z? And are these guys turning into Derek Zoolander? And just like going like crazy. I'm like, do you not know? He's a product. Do you not know that it's the reason why his name is in your mouth is because kick wants it to be there? And it blows me away. Because I'm wondering, guys like Steve Bartlett, like Tom Buele, Chris Williamson, trying to think of Jay Shetty. So many other guys. Do they not know what fresh, or do they? And they're just trying to play Koi about it. I think people know, but they don't know how to do it.

1:12:47Yeah, they don't know. See, for example, they think it's legit. For example, it is legit. What do you put more on? I'm curious about what I'm saying. Because I was saying that like, like, clavicular and the looks-maxing thing has been ramped forever. So we already know that. But from what we've been just discussing a little while ago, we're getting of the ins and outs of kick in rumble and everything else. And how like, clav is basically a product. I mean, he's a product of like at least two billion paid ads, so important to, you know, what's up in April or May. But the reason why he's a household name, and the reason why Chris Williamson knows his name is as a result of him being boosted by kick, and not necessarily because they would have anything to do with that guy under any other circumstances. What are your things? I also think he speaks to a very, very specific group of guys at a massive level. And he was going to be popular anyway. And I also think the money that whatever they're going into clipping him, it's probably coming from the inbound money that he's making off all the people watching him on kick.

1:13:47Because I'm on his stream. I've been on his stream twice. And just the volume of people that are watching, that are real people, is absolutely outrageous. So I don't know. I think he struck a chord that we didn't think that was going to get struck. You're right. Looks-maxing has been around forever. We used to call the Metrosexuals 30 years ago. And now it's, but I felt the same way you did Rollo until I went and hung out with Rush and Clubicular. I don't think any of it's fake. I think these people are obsessed with him. Like I really do. Oh yeah. Are they obsessed with him? Yeah. But that goes without saying. But I'm just saying that the only reason, I'm not saying the only reason, but I think one of the reasons why somebody like Chris Williamson or Wilkostella or India or India or whatever name is, afraid of India. The only reason they know his name is because he's popular. Yeah, because they picked up on the fact that he's- There's like a modern day, like good morning of America ABC. He's like, they're getting there. He was just saying, yeah, he was just saying about so. There's a breach.

1:14:49There's a ceiling they have to breach. Miren breach the ceiling, but Chris can't have miren on. Because Chris Miren, in fact, you talk, Miren, talk about this. Chris Williamson and Miren gains have had conversations. Andrew crossed that ceiling, but Chris can't have him on. Chris Williamson interviewed Andrew take for four hours and never posted the video. Okay, just so you guys know, not software, not software, not a belly. Iced coffee hour here in Las Vegas. They had Owen cook on for four hours and never posted the video. And you know, not software, not a belly, but Jay Shetty and there's one other one that where James Jackson was talking about you and me and then they cut our names out of it. Okay, the part with Clavicular is he's too popular with too many people. And they're not going to have him on the show, but they will react to him. Because at some point it was just like, did you see the New York Post or the article about me and Arantera Bayon yesterday or two days ago? Yeah, so the New York Post, why are they writing that article? You read the article with me. Was there anything in there that was even damning about me or what?

1:15:50Actually, I mean, you look good. I mean, exactly. But what was it? It was and then they said $10,000 from my course. I don't have a course of $10,000. It's $27, like $27, men of acts right now. So if you stayed with me long enough, could you spend $10,000 for unlimited coaching you could? I'm not going to tell you can't. I'm saying the course being $10,000. Do you still do the living? Yeah, I don't do the living anymore. Oh, yeah, I have a, my girlfriend was not happy about the living. I used to have a client, but anyway. So, so with the point is, where did that $10,000 come from? It came from the made up story that James Bloodworth made about me and the New York in the London Times. So she's still picking up their hand. What I'm saying is what amount of work did she do to write that article? Nothing. No, she got my photos from Shutterstock and then she rewrote what someone else wrote about me and produced nothing and asked me no questions. It was fluff, but it is a throw away. This was, if this took Kira Breslin more than an hour to write, I need to introduce her to some better AI models

1:16:51because that was not, there was not a lot of work in there. It was two paragraphs on each one of us. And to be fair, Owen Cook and Casey Zander are both bigger than me and I got from building over that. And so, where does that come from? It's just like, it's swagger jacking. It's cloud jacking. Why did inside the manosphere have sneaco in it? Why? Can someone explain to me why? I'm not trying to dis sneaco. What does sneaco today have to do with the manosphere? Well, absolutely nothing. He doesn't want to talk about why is he in it? Why is he in it? Because he's got market share. If we want to talk about reforming the American public through Islamic Sharia law, I'll go to sneaco. Let's go talk to sneaco. If we want to go talk about that, it's like, the world is decaying. I'll go talk to sneaco, right? If I want to talk about, hey, here's the way to go pick up chicks in manosphere stuff, I'm not good. Why is sneaco in this video? It's swagger jacking. It's cloud jacking. And the problem is, and I've said this, I've talked to both of you about this before. It's going to look stupid in five or 10 years

1:17:53when they don't have us on. They're just going to look like, they're just going to look, it's just like, we want to learn how to be quarterback in the NFL. And Tom Brady's like, can I come on your show? Oh, just come on for free. I'll pay my way to come on your show. No, Tom, we don't really believe in the way you play quarterback. We're not going to do that. It doesn't matter. I'll say this before I'll continue to say this. But there's any other coach in this space who you think is better than me. If it's Matthew Hussie, or if it's fucking Christy Gupari, let's compare the number of testimonials they have, the number of testimonials from CEO network, the number of testimonials from reignite. Let's look at the number of testimonials we have, video testimonials. Remember the FTC requires that we have to disclose if we compensated them for those testimonials. We did not, okay? The number of testimonials I have compared to Saudi Akhan, compared to anybody else in this space. How do we have more testimonials? What's my trust pilot score? It's 4.999. What the, how are you explaining this way? You can't. You can't explain it away. So the best way to deal with what we're doing

1:18:54is to not talk to us. The best way to deal with what we're doing is no matter how big we get, or how many people follow us, it's to stop talking to us. And then it got so bad, Andrew Tate is one of the results of this. Richard Reeves says, because academia was not willing to have these conversations, that's why Andrew could take Russo Bigg. You wanna know what else grew out of this? Rumble. Rumble exists explicitly because these conversations were not meant to be had. They weren't. Nick F is a great example of that, right? These conversations, no one was allowed to have the conversations. Kick is another example. Twitch was way too, they've centered their content way too much. If you had content that was outside the realm of just, you know, being a spurger and being on a video game, they didn't want it, so they then they opened up kick, right? And now you see guys doing IRL streams on kick. And so why is that that this dis-explosion is happening? It's happening because other people don't wanna have the conversation. But you know who doesn't mind having the conversation? You, me, or Myron. Is there anyone you, me, or Myron would not go to bake?

1:19:55So there was this, and I think I, I was just telling him, but fresh doesn't know this one. We just did the interview with ABC Australia, with Mark Vannell, and actually, I kinda like the guy. I thought he was, he, he, he, I think he was stunned. Yeah, I think it was, yeah, I think he didn't know what to do with us. There were girls in there being like, we love you so much, Michael, that's what we come on the show all the time. He didn't know what to do. He was like, what the fuck do I do with this? Like I can't, I can't make a hit piece. When the guy, girl to his friend is like, the girl to his right is saying, you're one of my best friends, and I love you, Michael. Like how do I make him out to be a, not that Mark was trying to. It's just when Mark takes that back to his producer, his producer's gonna be like, yeah, what is this? I don't know what they're gonna do. What are they gonna do? Okay, so Mike and I are at Rollin' Smoke barbecue, right? And we were there for close at three hours, doing the interview. I cannot wait to this video to come out. I can't wait for that to come out either, because at the end of that, I don't know that this wasn't a plant. I don't think it was. I mean, I'm gonna, I wanna believe the best here. But as we were just wrapping up, there was,

1:20:58there's some like, I didn't even get that good look at her face. I saw, I saw. She blew her, like, you know, Lesbian-ish kind of chick was there, and she was just like, she yelling at us, and she's like, you guys are a bunch of fucking in cells, and then her boyfriend's there, and I think he was, did you ever find out if he was like, you know what I mean? No, I need to look it up. So we're looking, I'm looking over the barbecue sauce, and I see this guy with a phone and he's filming us, which makes sense. There's a bunch of huge $30,000 cameras filming us. Yeah, a whole bunch of people. There's like a boom. I would probably wanna know what was going on too. So they hear me and Rolo talk about, you know, in our space, men are suffering, et cetera, et cetera. That's what they do. And then all of a sudden, while they're walking out the door, you guys are a bunch of cocks. You guys are a bunch of, you're in cell, you're in cell, stupid, in cell podcasts. Well, you guys so broke, you can't even afford a studio. Yes, yes. We can't afford a studio. That's why we were in. What you really should be asking yourself is, why did Roland Smelt give us permission to shoot in their place? That's what you really should be asking yourself. Do we have a studio? Yes, we have a studio.

1:21:59But it was like, and they were just, and so go home and get cucked by your girlfriend, loser. So what was our first response, right? It was, hey, come over here. Come sit down. Come sit down and talk to us. Like we wanted them to actually, I would love for them to come and sit across from us. But of course they were like running out, they run it out of the restaurant at that same time. But that right there, that you know damn well, that's gonna make it into the, you know, I could see it not making it, and I'll tell you why. Because it's not what's that. Because it makes it look like what we're saying is the truth. Yeah, right. That one clip of Ross Kemp, you could see he was a little uncomfortable asking, answering the question, if you guys saw Ross Kemp was asking William Castello, how many in-cell murders are there worldwide? And he goes seven to 15, and he goes, in the UK, he goes no worldwide. What? It goes, it goes, how many of them, how many killings have there been? 59 killings worldwide all time by in-cells. 59? He goes, I think everything I've gotten, I heard about in-cells is wrong. When we played that for Mark, I would expect it marked

1:23:00to be like, wow, it looks like we're being fed this information, but he can't, because he's part of the agency, he's really, he can't say that. So it was really interesting because like, what they, what they expected from us, and what they expect from you, and all of us is knuckle dragging, troglodyte, woman hating, homophobic, that's all they expect. Maga, maga, maga, maga, maga, maga, maga, maga, maga, maga, well, I'm sick, the four of us are probably best six out of 10 Trump supporters, honestly. Like, I'm not, I like him, but I like him way more than I like Kamala Harris, but it's not like that, I'm not dying, John Dye and John Dye and John Dye and John Dye and John Dye. Yeah, I don't have a red hat, I've never worn a Maga hat, you know what I'm saying? Siko has, guess that's why he was on inside the manus, and so, so it's, it's just one of these situations where I'm like, I'm watching this, and I don't know what Mark's gonna do. I don't know, I understand how they're gonna try to pitch it. Now, what they could do is what CBS did, which is give up, and they were like, yeah, this guy actually sounds like he's pretty solid, because they sat there and they interviewed all my clients and my clients were like, this changed my life. This was the greatest thing I've ever done.

1:24:00And they're like, how can, we're trying to, we're trying to paint you guys in a circle. Hey, some, I do wanna go over with you because this kind of fits into the soul situation. Rob Henderson's new carousel he just released, going over the myth of the chads and the guys who don't get laid. Oh, really? Yeah, we'll go, we'll do it on a live show. We'll do it on a live show. But it's really good, and I wanna, I don't wanna in be insulted, because I like Rob Henderson's work. It's what, because I fall, I actually paid to follow him on a sub-stack. So, can I ask you guys a question? Not that the four of us would ever do this, because we're all men of God, but we know guys who've slept with lots of women, right? I know one, you know, you know guys who slept with men. Yeah. Okay. Protect the innocent, protect the innocent. Okay. So, let me ask her saying, that you're a disgrace to Christianity because you say that you're like actually a virgin. I'm like, who the fuck? I was like, I never said that. Like, there we go. Just so I, I wanna get, I wanna get, and she says she's like an arrogant, I'm like, you know, this is so annoying. I've never stated, I'm following Christianity to a T. I said before, I said it to be a pastor, I stopped,

1:25:01and I'm not practicing Christian, I'm not, because I know what I'm doing. So to say that is disingenuous one, and too, you obviously don't watch the show because I never said that. Never, I love it. So, okay. Okay, I need to get on, I'm getting on his level right now. So, I had a long night. I'm gonna, you know, I know I saw. How we watched, you know what's really funny? Is I came home after being out of my room, that one time when we were on Christian Fitsel, a minute you were out with Michael Beasley. And I come home and there's a girl in my bed, and she's up, she's pissed at me. She's like, you were out all night, and I was like, what an interesting reality you must live in, where you can literally watch what the fuck I was doing for the last five hours. Like you can't question whether or not I was with some other girl. You could literally see what I'm doing every, I've had this happen so many times. Like what did you call me back? And I was on Access Vegas and I was like, you can literally watch what I was doing. Like moment to moment in 4K, and you're still jealous. That show that never goes away. It never goes away. And you guys even do a pre show before that. Yes, it's like, oh, relax.

1:26:03You hear everyone in the background? Yes. Yeah, baby, I took her in the bathroom real quick. I just saw I could cheat on you real quick. Oh, so here's the thing. Oh, real quick. He's going to chat. Got men by B. Brother, if you don't understand sarcasm, at his lowest level, you are retarded. When I'm on the show and ask him, what's your body count? I'm a virgin. I am trolling my guy. Are you dumb? Or are you stupid? I don't know what you're aware of. They're talking about like trolling the chicks basically. Yeah, yeah. But what's your body count? I'm a virgin. I'm some trolling. Yeah. It's common sense. Guess not. God. I really, I really wish you could have seen last week's Axis Vegas when we had that moon unit chick that was on there the whole time. We were just usually, I lean in this stuff like that. And I'm just like, yeah, let's see. The problem is, the problem is that it's a business model, bro. She's one. There's this one point where I'm about to go off. And Mike was like this. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I'm sorry. That's what you know. I'm ready to fly. Because she's saying nonsense about astrology. But like, who are we really fighting?

1:27:03It's not like our audience is going to listen there. But like, oh, okay, I guess it was Sagittarius why I didn't get the bitch. Like nobody believes that, bro. So it's not. It wasn't that big of a deal. Anyway, my question for the four of you. Because obviously, we'll Gary does. Gary does. And you know, it's funny. How you know Gary? I actually see the relevance of having that as a part of your game. Oh, I need to talk to you. I've never, I've never, never, never. It never reminds me. I need to talk to him because I got to get a bet with him to see that gold nights are going to win this. Yeah. It's an incredible fucking sports better. You could talk to him a lot. I'm all day, but you can't deny his shit has some value. Whether it's in dating or in business or in bed. I always have to. I'll shut the queue out. 100%. If you guys want to gas like women and tell them, hey, what is your astrological sign? Hey, they can't come back later and be like, if you lied, you lied. I don't know what to say. I'm not telling you what doesn't work. Reveal the lines. I'm telling you, bro. I'm not as powerful. I'm not telling you what does work. I know that way. I have a question to the 40 because this was from the Rob Henderson. So the idea is that we know to be the fact

1:28:05and also the data shows this is that women are choosing a small group of men. So there's one 2017 survey that shows that 70% of women's sexual interactions are with the top 20% of men. And another one that just came out two weeks ago that says, the top 10% most promiscuous men are having women are having 58% of their sexual encounters with the top 10% most promiscuous men. When you do this, you go look at GSS data on the number of sexual partners you have. For men, I believe top 10% is like 25, top 5%, is 50, top 1%, is 150 sexual partners. You take all the sexual partners of the top 10. And then you say, okay, for the top 10, how many women would we have to go through to get to the same number of women? And it's 58% of women, okay? So that indicates to me that really will just call them for the sake of the discussion. Permiscuous men are having sex with promiscuous women, extremely promiscuous women, somewhat promiscuous women, moderately promiscuous women, somewhat below average promiscuous women and not promiscuous women.

1:29:06It seems to me that guys who are crushing it with women are having sex with promiscuous women and non-promiscuous women. The whole spectrum. Yeah. Rob Henderson and Alex from Date Sike, their argument is no, these men are only having sex with promiscuous women. With force. You're not missing out, guys. You're not missing out. The third of you, the third of you, the third of you who are not having sex, Debra So, sex distinction. Read the book. The third of you who are not having sex, don't worry about the fact you're not having sex. These other guys who are having all the sex, they're only having sex with whores, just the most promiscuous women. Nope, they're all having sex with Amy Dean from you. I'm gonna, so by my friends. So by my friends. So by my friends. For me, apparently. But the body slug is lame. Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy, I love you. Amy, stop, go listen. That's uncalled for. All right, listen. I had a question, though. Just because the role brought it up. I don't know if I've brought it up. I know that's your friend. Yeah. I'm not mad at her. I think she's not mad at all. I think she's a great speaker. Yes, I agree.

1:30:06No way. But. Roll, just ask this question. Honestly. If you had one day to be a woman, right? And you. Morons. We're gonna marry somebody. Or me married them one day, right? You're right. Yeah. And you were going on a podcast. Mm-hmm. And you had fucked one of the hosts on a podcast. Look at how you're soon to be husband slash husband. Like you did that before you brought him there. Or not to let him at all. Roll, take your ring off first. I'm just curious because like, bro. I can't believe that. I was like, there's no way she did this nigga. So she told him after. I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna be fresh to answer that question. If I found I was a woman tomorrow, the first thing I would do is start a movie fans. That's goes. That's number one. And that number two is this is, she felt comfortable enough with that dude to tell him that in the first place. Right. That she already knows that he's a kind of dude

1:31:08that she's wouldn't, she's oblivious to what she's saying and that he's gonna be okay with that. So you're saying she was like comfortable enough to be like, he can't go anywhere. Well, have you seen that? Have you seen the interview with, was it Lily Phillips? She's got a new boyfriend and like, is that real though? No, probably not. But like, if I just want to throw shit at him and call him a cuck, which of course he is. But, I don't think there's any way for us to know because either it's not real and he's a plant or it is real and he, like from our standpoint, he's a cuck but from his standpoint, it's normal. And then from everyone else's standpoint, you're so brave, good for standing up for your feminist wife. Cause that's what a feminist is now. 100 body of the same guy. Really what that is, what Amy Neat interview is, what all that shit is, is it's engaging media on various levels, various scales, right? So what happens is we come on our show, hey, did you hear about Lily Phillips and her cuck husband? Like that's what they want. So market into it. So market is all happening. It's exponential. They want you to sit. Okay, to be, to play Neville's advocate, we do talk about this shit. Yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:32:08but hold on, hold on. What he's saying is, look at it from me, more cynical, prime level. Yes. What he's saying is, yes, we talk about it or giving them marketing for the simps in the chat. Think about it. Our audience is a perfect, they've got it for her. So only fans or for her, I guess, you want to say manager, management, right? Because we're giving her free marketing to our audience, even though it's to roast them. Some guys in Chateau, you know what? Well, damn, I don't want to see what happened here. Do we all remember? It's fucking on camera. No way. You remember when Adam 22 decided to to wore out his wife, lean in the plug, too. Of course, she's already a porn star to begin with. So like what's the, was she in number four? She had never filmed it before. Yeah, so she, it didn't stay just. But she's a thing is, yeah, then he did that. And I remember it because I was in a studio that one time. And he was like, I don't know if I feel comfortable, but this is like talking to Destiny about how he doesn't feel comfortable about a, but he did that. I grew with you. That was a set. I think Adam 22 has no trouble. It's not the actual movie itself.

1:33:09That's the event. It's everything that leads up to that event and everything that kind of follows after that event. The same thing with, was the boxing match between Adam 22 and, Oh, Jason Love, that was it. That was it. That was it. It's up to the event. And then after the event, they talk shit about each other, right? The event is like secondary to all of the engagement that happens because we're talking about it. The saying, I talked about it. Hell, I remember even Matt Walsh was talking about, Adam 22, Hore and Out, lean in the plug and how horrible it was. And he's not even in the same sphere, but it's good content. Of course. Of course. And that's exactly what I mean. But again, I think it's engagement meeting. I think the four of us are just as guilty as they are. Oh, yeah. No, no, what I mean by that is like, we keep taking away. I'd say it was any better. No, I'm saying it's like, we didn't come on today going over here. Here's five peer reviewed studies. We're going to go over today. No, we're talking about lean to the plug and Adam 22 and to prove it to her. That's what we're talking about. Now, the thing is, I think Adam personally has no trouble whatsoever being naked with other men having sex with women. I don't know.

1:34:09I don't want to extrapolate any further than that. I don't think at any point he had any trouble with this. I was going to go in that one. What I'm saying is like, for me, I might delete myself. If I was in that situation. For him, he feels very comfortable. See, that's not even the point. The point is, is that that's one example of Lily Phillips and her husband. That's one example of Amy banging the thing. That's one example of it. And by various like, niches and various scopes, right? Like compared to Adam 22, Amy is not at that level, let's just say. But the same engagement dynamics work for her. That work for I think Adam 22 is brilliant in that. Oh, he figured out how to reach Adam 22 has at least $10 million. DeGeneres, he did that. But like, but he, but he, but he, but he, but he, but he, but he's not a respected game. But he got on some of the bad financial strike because when we went to go visit him in LA, right? One of the first things I saw was like, dude, how is he affording this building? He had this massive building security. I couldn't, like the amount of employees he had there.

1:35:09Like, he just had people on the couch hanging out. Because because he's, he's trying, he's going full hood. Like, yeah, it's, he's like hood plus rap plus porn. Like that's his stick. Right. And the problem with that is like, you see the one time of the guy comes in with a gun, the gun and his head like, that's what you're asking for when you do this. And so it's just, it's like mainstream porn and rap. It's like, and this is the confluence between the two. It's like GTA six. And here's the other thing, like with, with the bottom is that. So if you watch, I like, I like a grand wizard. What's you? Oh, um, Chad, I could ask. Yeah, academics, academics, academics, academics, academics, academics. I got a watch party. Yeah, academics, his news page is hilarious. And it's almost like a conservative mirror to no jumpers. Is it any one more time? Academics. Oh, grand, grand wizard, uh, chat nice here. Mark, mark that. Mark that. Mark that. Yeah. Like, yes. Um, yeah. Shout out to him. Uh, but his news, the stuff that he posts on there, I, I will go there and now I'll, I'll verify everything that's on there.

1:36:11But he has a little bit of a conservative spin to it, right? Whereas like no jumper has kind of an TMZ, especially TMZ has like a liberal spin to it. And it might be the same article about Drake dropping a new album or whatever. And I just think, I think that part's interesting. But going back to, but you're right back to your point. Yeah, the original question, right? So that we have our sunglasses of misogyny on real quick. Okay. Okay. Everybody have your massage and sunglasses on there. Right. Right. Here we go. Do you believe that these men with these super high body counts? Are only having sex with super high body count women like we're being told through these assorted, I've heard this from Alex from date, psych, Rob Henderson and Jizma Jafar that the guys who were sleeping with all these women are only sleeping with hyper per misguise women. What do you guys think? Definitely not because um, I regret something myself having a good girl that I know I messed up. And we all do. We all bender. We all lie just straight up. Just from personal experience and also as adults experience my friends as well. Yeah, I met his girl. She's amazing, but she's so nice to me.

1:37:13Too good. Too good. Yeah, that was all the time. God wants you to have the baby. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. The guys that we've had on the show that like crush it with women. The thing is, I don't know how, because this is very non scientific. I know guys in the city who are either male strippers, jiggleos, VIP hosts. I'm talking five six seven hundred body count minimum. And and you and I'll ask them like every girl you've been with is just like a porn star or an escort or whatever. And they're like, no, like more than half the women I'm with are not like that at all. It's an accountant from a paduka conduckie like that. So I'm with. And then when you do the math, it's like there aren't enough female roster spots. So women report how many partners they have. There's not enough roster spots to fit the men in the top 10%. It can't be what I'm saying is the top 20% of women don't have enough sex with enough men to equal the top 20% of men. In fact, I think the number I think the number is like four or five to one. What I mean by that is the top 1% of men have 150 sexual partners.

1:38:17The top 1% of women have 35. Do you see how that? Wow. That doesn't match up. Like what I'm saying is the top 10% of women, there's not enough. If I took a million men and a million women, I took the top 100,000 men and the top 100,000 women. I also applied the coefficient of how many sexual partners the average guy on the top 10% had versus the top 10% of women. The for many, it's almost five times as many sexual partners. And so when we look at the Lars, the hands Larsen data on the GSS, you guys want to look up that data, the 58% of women's sexual partners are with the top 10% most promiscuous men. And then when I watched that when I read the Rob Henderson thing, it's like, yeah, but they're not in relationships with those. Yeah, that's the point. That's the point. That is the point. That's the point. That's number one. And then number two, it's like, well, don't worry guys because they're only, it's a myth. They're only having sex with hyper promiscuous women. I'm sorry. The math does not agree. I know. I know. Like one of my favorite things to show. So I like, I like discussing demographic differences in evolutionary psychology. The three biggest demographic differences.

1:39:17One is upper body strength. Men are more than twice as strong as women in their upper body. Just on average. Number two is the desire for sexual variety. So men when asked how many sexual partners they want to have when they die, how much the total number, the number comes out somewhere in the 20s for women. It's like seven or six or five somewhere in that. When you look at the top two percent most promiscuous women, that equals the median man. Do you guys understand? Like the average guy, his level, his desire for sexual variety equals the top two percent of women. Does that make sense? Women who do adult work or escort, even their desire for sexual partners is less than the actual number of sexual partners they have. Do you understand? You're talking about lays and not relationships. Yeah, I'm talking about even individual lays. Because that's a number we can look at. Well, we can't look at is good sex in a relationship versus bad sex out of frat party. I don't have data on that. If somebody has sense as data on that, I want to see it. But I can't look at is sexlessness for a year. That's very clear.

1:40:18The amount of men that go sexless for a year, that number keeps increasing. The amount of sexual partners for the bottom 33 percent of men, I know that keeps going down. And the amount of sexual partners for the top 10 percent of men, I know that keeps going up. I know that the amount of the amount of sexual partners for the top 5 percent of men for over the last 15 years, I believe went from 38 partners to 50. So what you're saying is the number of like basically the number of like fuck pussy keeps staying the same and actually gradually increasing. But it's only like no, it's tilted. It's tilting like this. So if I were to take the body count for women in general, I'm going to get a line. Right. As they get older, I'm going to get a line. So as they get older, the number of bodies they get will increase. Correct. Yeah. Over time. For men, I'm going to get like, or for the women who have the least amount of sex, they're going to be over here. Right. But like, it's 20 percent of women who haven't had sex in the last year. It's 33 percent of men who haven't had sex in the last year. So we're going to get this number of people with this number of bodies, this number of bodies, this number of bodies. And we're going to end up here at 35 percent for the top 35 bodies for the top 1 percent.

1:41:20Okay. So we're going to start at zero. We're going to do 35. For men, it's going to be zero for like the first 23, 25 percent. Then the median is going to be five or seven depending on who you ask. Then when we get to, then we, so it's ready. So we start, I wish I could graph this out. I'm going to get a chat. Yeah. So it's like zero for the first 25 percent. Then when we get to the median, we're going to get to five or seven bodies. Then when we get to the top 10 percent, we're at 35 bodies. Then when we get to the top of 5 percent, we're at 50. And then when we get to top 1 percent, we're at 150. I don't even think you can get hired as a host in Las Vegas if you have fewer than 150 bodies. I don't even think you can work for Thunder from Down Under with under 150 bodies. Honestly. So what was Rob saying? What was like, what was he saying? He was saying he was saying it was, so two things he said in the first slide, I agree with the second assertion. I don't agree with the first. The first assertion was the idea of Chad's and Alphas is a myth disagree. He did not provide data to show me that that's a myth. But then he said, and this data can create resentment.

1:42:21I do agree. That does definitely, pergamy does create resentment. Not for me, not for him, not for you guys, because we're on the, we're on this side of the hypergamy scale. If you've been with 40 women in your life, you're on, you're in a lot of, we're not delivered. Yeah. If you've even been with 40 women in your life, you're in the top seven, eight percent of men worldwide. If you talk 40 percent. I hate it by one. Yes. Correct. Correct. I'm just, I'm extrapolating, right? Because I know top 10 percent, you have to be like 25 women that you've been with in your whole life, so yeah. So, so for, for us, like, you know, not us, obviously, not us, but I know guys that have been with more than a hundred women. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. I know it's insane. But the, I've heard a guy, I know you're talking about, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. They don't count if they are below a four or if you have to pay them. You know, it is funny. Just add to what we're all saying. When you put your body count as a measure of how good you are as a man, it's crazy because

1:43:23like the older I get, I'm kind of like, I'm not ashamed to say my body count. It's more like, it's not important anymore. It's not a measure of like my manhood. It just a matter of like, okay, I did this. Great. Now let's move on. And the front of the part is, it just was experience. But to what level of experience? Because if I said spend all day fucking bitches, I'm not really done as a man of actual merit. I've just fucked about your bitches. So okay, do any trophy now? Like, what's the, are you leading towards quality? No, no, no, no, what, I think, I think the part that we're missing is the guys who don't have the same body count had they had the same opportunity would have the same body. That would do it. Oh, well, that's the part we keep missing. It's like the girl, the girl is married to a guy who has a body count of five. And he thinks she thinks her husband is better than me if my body count is greater than five, not recognizing that if her husband had my opportunities, he'd have my body count.

1:44:26Does that make sense? Right. We went over the desire for a number of sexual partners. So, no muscles is not a, is not a, is not a peaceful man. You can't conduct violence because your husband can't get laid. Because it make him better than me or more moral. It means women don't choose him. And they chose him. He'd have the same body count. It's the hypothetically that I have. It was, it was a, it was a, it was a, Ron White was talking about the difference between one guy who like cheats on his wife and tiger woods. Yeah. He's like, she's not like something. But you look at the amount of women that were like, you know, who would have fucked tiger woods. Then you could say, no, tiger woods is actually a better spot for that. He's like, yeah, no, no, exactly. He's like, he's like, he loves that woman. He's like, he's on me cheated nine times with 11,000 people coming after him. Yeah. Yeah. You do the ratio. You do the math. His, his love for his wife is crazy. You want to know what, you want to know what every single one of those women talking shit about Clay Thompson after the whole Megan the Salian thing had been comment. Every one of them would fuck Clay Thompson in one second if he messaged.

1:45:27Correct. If he messaged him, these women would throw themselves at Clay Thompson. Sure. I got the, I got the same guy that Megan Salian got. I take, I take, I understand what you're saying for us because I, I got to a point where, where I'm just like, what is it? Like what should get, once I got past 50, right? All this pretentious bullshit about like, you know, body count this or I want to grow a little bit. I like, I want a chick who's DTF. I want to grow his hot and wants to fuck that's basically it. I'm good with that. I don't care. What is your body count? I don't, people always think that because me and Myron did that one show or a couple shows actually where we talked about like body count, how to fix, you know, marriage, contentment and, and bonding and all this other stuff. And you know, I think we worked, we actually came up with six, which is what all this, the egg heads finally came up with later on. We just got to it two years earlier. But I think because we did that show, everybody thinks that like he and I are like, like, well, body count is the worst thing for women or, or slut shaming women because we're talking about body count.

1:46:28I think I'm like, I'm just giving you the stats, man. I didn't want to ask high personally what I think. Yes. I told Corel Osborne this to I said, I don't fucking. Corel Osborne is awesome. I could give two fucking shits about. She's great. But the thing is, it's like, I understand what you're saying because like whenever people want to say that they, at least these red pill guys or whatever, the man is for guys, they measure their egos by how many notch counts they have or like, you know, they're, it's a dick measuring contest. I'm like, no, it's not because, and I'll tell you why because I can go, we're in Nevada right now. Okay. Is it is prostitution legal here? Mike Sartane? No. But it is legal in places in Nevada. But it doesn't matter because the thing is like, if I say I have a hundred body count, but 90 of them were hookers I bought or escorts that I fucked. Does that mean what if I have a hundred body count or a Chinese? Let's not shame the trance. Yeah. Okay. It's not shame. That's not shame. The Chinese are equal Brazilian Chinese are equal rights to a body. Yeah. Exactly. Can we all agree to that?

1:47:28I thought you did there. I don't think it's a good metric because a guy who gets laid a hundred times with prostitutes and the guy who gets laid and he's never had a prostitutes life, those are qualitatively much different situations, right? So there is that. But the other part of it is is like, when everybody asks me or they think that if I go into a, do a whole episode dedicated to body count, they think that because I do that, that I must be on their side. I must think the same thing. Oh, Rolls really about this, but you know why they have a problem with that? Because they don't fuck. There are guys that don't fuck and the guys who don't fuck think that body count should matter more than it does because it helps them cope with the fact that there are guys who don't fuck. And I've written a several essays about this and people are going to just run me up the fly. I pulled through it and say, and this, I don't give a fly and fuck because it's been done a million times. But the thing is, it's for you to say, Rolls, you're not dying the third time now. Well, I'm not. Intra sexual competition. Yeah, Rolls. It's a guy. So guys can't, a guy can't take on him because he's got better upper body strength than it. And this is a guy that fucks, okay?

1:48:29A guy who does not fuck. We're certain. He's got a fine. He's got a pathetic, yeah, high-pithetic guy. But there's, but there's, those guys have to find some sort of psychological way to gas, like you want to thinking that because you fuck, you're a very bad, bad man. And so that's why body count becomes an issue. I would be willing to bet that if we were to have a therapist on here and then we, in the therapist, hypothetically, we would talk to a man who had 200 sexual partners in his life. We know anyone like that. I know. If we can think of anyone who had even 200, I don't see how every therapist would say, well, that person's obviously a narcissist because they had 200 sexual partners. But Mike, just that's your point. You wouldn't know my body count if it ain't said. Of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody would know what, because first of all, I don't act like that anyway. One, I'm not fucking asshole, but this is like, bro, when you get to a level, it's like, bro, I beat the game. Right. There is a certain level of or even like, you're like, I could tell this guy to get

1:49:29a sexual partner. Yes. You told with me, right? One of my olds around. What did you say? Okay. You've been with me, right? What about my olds around? You're always around really, really attractive, extremely white, Eastern European women with really, really nice bucks. But that's right. White women with incredible asses. But I'm just like, yes. And it's funny because they're like, oh, you guys are doing too much. We're just living our lives. This is who we are. But again, my body count, you would never know. And I said, I told you. Yeah. Well, I remember, I just think we're more of this. I was on a pack Campbell show one time. It was a, we were talking about body count. All right. And I was on there and like, Carly, Carly was his producer. And it's his chick, his producer. And someone on the show asked me what my body count was. I'm always open with about, oh, it's 41. And you could hear this audible gasp. And this is Tulsa, Oklahoma, right? They're like, how dare you? And they thought it was a manhorn. And I'm like, the guys that I like, I know who are like in the triple digits, they think

1:50:33I'm a rookie. They don't, they think I shouldn't even be giving advice because I have, because I don't have my numbers on. There's no receipts, you know? There's no streamer in Miami. That's below 100. I don't think there's, can you think of one that I would, would be below 100? I can't think like every streamer, I'm calling people out, but like there's no, you're beginning to like hyper-religious. It's not the reason why I'm talking about the IRL streamer. Well, maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe a Larry Wheels isn't. But the, and I'm not trying to make fun of him, but he's, he's picked, he chose to be with one woman, right? He's like, oh, I don't get in the hole. So, so, but what I'm saying is I think, let me say this a different way. I don't think there's any streamer who if they didn't want to, couldn't get to 100 very quickly in Miami because again, I watched it with an angel, Jenna, can clav and all those guys when I was at clav's club and the women are throwing themselves at these guys, throwing and these are attractive women. And I was just like, yo, this is wild. And I'm, as a, as a person who I get, for being almost 50 years old, I get a lot of women

1:51:38in a, like if I was, if I was single and I wanted a day to different girl every day, it would not be very difficult. I will tell you, being one tenth is big as those guys online as far as the number of people who watch me stream. I, there is the, the amount that the women throw themselves at these guys is crazy. So this is my other question to you guys. If I want you to think about the narrative, the overall in general, Manosphere, think about, think about this, think about this, the overall general narrative that men have about women from the Manosphere. No resentment, no hatred, just in general, do women care about status? They do. Do women care about money? They do. Do women care about clout? They do. Do women care about looks? They do. Okay. Do women care about personality also? They do, but they also care about clout and the looks and the status that we said. Okay. Now, when we say this, then we get pushed back from the other side. We're not, we're not going to say the blue goal. We'll just say the other side that we get pushed back from them though. That's a mischaracterization of women that is, that is a misogynistic.

1:52:40I can't believe you say that. I don't know, man. I just watched women lining up to make out with clout. I, I, I'm sorry. I watch women. I don't, I don't mean to tell anybody. I've watched, I've watched women that Myron has gone after a hard a shit on the show, afterwards follow Myron around when we were at Mushimushi. Just like clearly, clearly looking to have sex with them afterwards. You've seen it too. Like the ones, you guys on the show, you see the ones that Clout, that Myron goes the hardest at, like he's super, like he very go after each other afterwards. We go out to eat. I'm, he made this girl cry. I know like, okay, she's gonna go home, I'm talking about him online. Yeah. Make posts. Oh my God. Right. She comes with us to Mushimushi. She's next to Myron says, you were right. Yeah. And I was like, mother fucker. Then, then, then, not my you, my, my you, right? I'm sitting there like, how's this gonna play out? So I'm the one driving him back home, right? Sitting at back seat. I see her hand on Myron's lap. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. I just, just, just, just go to show.

1:53:40It doesn't matter. Allegedly. What's she saying? It's just who you are. Yes. I got a story about Myron too. And I know you know who I'm talking about, but this was back in 2021, 2022. I was on a show and I remember this happened because she was like this really, she had the really kind of, you know, I don't forget her name, but she had the, she's blonde with kind of like that bob hair cut, who looks just like a stereotypical Karen, right? And she had fitness. Yeah, fitness girl. Yeah, right? You know what I'm talking about? And, and he, she just hated him, right? And I was at about a month later, two months later, I come back and we're getting ready for the show. I know, I, I'm maybe I shouldn't say this, but like, she, this is not the old studio, okay? So it's not the new studio, okay? So, so I go up there and you know, Myron keeps very, ah, hours, right? Cause he gets up at four or five o'clock. No, he wakes up at seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when we start press event. And, and I swear to God, I come in, I think you might have been with me and that chick was coming out of his bedroom and she had like a,

1:54:43uh, uh, yeah, she had a, she had a, uh, she had a little, uh, carry on luggage like she was just a little head and out the dorses. Oh, hi, Rollo, cause she knew I had like, knew what it was. It's like, I'm like, okay, so, the fuck? Yeah, let's go back to my, you hated this move. Yeah. Let me go back to my original point. Let me go back to my original point, right? I remember. Do you remember moon cat made that video? I give bonked evolutionary psychology. I think it's got like 1.5 million views. If you guys want to check it out and then William Cusello and Alex and Bates, I made a retort to that video and so did me and Rollo. Um, that's what I actually, the video that Alex and William made, I made it a required viewing in my program, and it's so good. It is such an incredible, that, that I, I love it. It completely, it's one of the best steel man evolutionary psychology videos I've ever seen. So the point I'm trying to make is, if they, if we're wrong about what we believe, shouldn't these women or these content creators that don't like us be furious with all the women throwing themselves at Leonardo DiCaprio?

1:55:44Shouldn't they, like, do you understand? It's like every, I keep hearing about how Klaab is misogynistic and then I go and I see one woman after another sitting on his lap trying to make out with him. Shouldn't you stop being mad at us? Who should you be mad at? You should be mad at the women who keep proving us right? Right. Am I crazy? It's just constant visual proof one time after another. And then Axis Vegas is the worst. Why? Because what do we have? We have a bunch of women on there. Hey, how many, do you have a degree from somewhere? Do you remember the question? Yeah, I have two masters degrees. Yeah. And then I look right at Mark. I'm like, she's got two masters degrees. Remember how you guys think that we cherry-pick girls are stupid to come on our show? We don't. It's like no matter, if that won't make it into the group. I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you right now. If you want to defeat us in one fell soup, here's what you do. Here's what you do. Well, you're looking at my, yeah, I just started the game. That was good. Yeah, I know I'm trying. I'm trying to catch up to you guys. By the way, if you guys are watching me on YouTube, I'd really appreciate it if you go to kick for just one second,

1:56:47leave at least one comment and check me out on kick. Just in case Gavin Newsom gets elected president and they nuke our YouTube. Send the bio. Just please, please. It's our insurance policy. Please go to kick and rumble. Support him, but he wants to. Huh? He wants. He supports, like, guys, please support kick and rumble and X because they support our freedom of speech when. And I love YouTube and I love Instagram. Obviously, that's where I'm strongest, but YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok do not support freedom of speech like rumble kick and X do. Just, just so please support them. Yeah. But to go back what I said before, there's an opportunity here, like, if I'm a woman, I'm furious about what keeps happening. If you were to watch the show, Axis Vegas, you have a bunch of women who are married mothers with masters degrees. They're agreeing with us and somewhat disagreeing with us. They're friends with us. They said, we love you, Michael. We love you, Rolo. That's what we come on the show. Okay. And they're saying the same things that the girls on Fresh and Fit are saying, like exactly the same. The only difference is the girls in Vegas don't call themselves tens because they don't have to compete. The girls here have to compete with each other

1:57:48or the pool jobs and so they know if there's nothing wrong, if you're a Vegas 7, you're still incredibly hot. I got a question for you. Go ahead. Okay. So whenever, whenever reading something like Rob Henderson's, like stats, right? Or remember on the show, everybody's saying, well, you guys come in with this data and the stats and everything like that. And I've talked about this in a couple of occasions. I think one of the reasons, I think one of the things that we kind of get lost in the sauce with is we are always trying to find the latest study, the latest research that, experimental, whatever it is in the lab, whatever. To, usually it's qualitative, but sometimes it's quantitative. We're looking for research and surveys and all this other stuff. And the one thing that I think that a lot of these guys just simply, they completely disqualify is field work. Like being out there and watching this shit happen and observing it. And I thought it was funny because it was, it was a Jane Goodall just died recently, right? Yes. That's all she did. Was sit in the jungle and watch what was fucking happening right there. They didn't go and give the gorilla surveys to,

1:58:50hey, do you like that little female gorilla over there? No, you have to be right there and observe it. And yet we have this, this like God-like respect for like Diane Foster or Jane Goodall. People who are, I can only think of them off the top of my head, but researchers who have to be in the field to observe what's happening so that they can take notes and make the, make the study. If I were a researcher, why can't we do that? Why can't we have the same level of respect? It's a some degree for guys like you, guys like me, guys like these guys who we've been here, we've seen this happen. But no, maybe you guys have your own programs and you guys are on the take. So there's something wrong with you. I was like, no, we see this happen. Anybody who's out here has seen this happen before. And I'm sure your research is accurate, but can you at least acknowledge that what our observations have been talking about for in some cases 20 years is at least somewhat valuable to the discussion we're having here. So there's new evolutionary psychology data coming out on cross-sex relationships leading to relationships. Right. Lucy Hunt did a, actually, she did a study

1:59:51about this 10 years ago. William Castell is doing one now. And it's about cross-sex relationships and friendship leading to relationships. A lot of times what will happen is guys who even think that they don't have female friends, they do have female friends. They're people you just say what up to when you walk around. And they are the ones who introduce you to the girl that you end up hooking up with because women have more access than men. You guys know that, right? You don't believe me? Go to a strict club with a girl and have her just go up to a girl and start touching another girl's boobs. Nothing happens. She doesn't get kicked out because women have more access. Like I've had women walk into the dressing room before a strict club. Nobody says anything. Women have freedom and access. They can introduce people. They have no approach anxiety. If you have a ton of female friends, you're going to meet more high status dudes and you're going to date more attractive women. Now the evolutionary psychology data backs this up. So, but the problem is if I were to look at an experimental physicist versus an, or it's called a theoretical physicist versus an experimental physicist. A theoretical physicist is going to write ideas out on the chalkboard. The experimental physicist is going to actually put together

2:00:52the experiments and the lasers or whatever. That can be repeatable. My question is, at some point when we're talking about dating, why not talk to the guy, what I would want to do is if I were an evolutionary psychologist which I would consider to be a theoretical physicist in this metaphor, I would want to talk to, I would say I want to look at average guys. So an average guy. So apparently on Reddit I'm 5'9". So I'm an average guy. Right, I'm right, no, I'm 5'6". I can't remember. I'm 5'9 or 5'6". So I'm an average guy. I'm not a male model, but it's nothing specific. I got a story. I got a story. Okay. I have a less expensive Rolex on than fresh. Fresh. Fresh, you have the Rolex guy. What? Goddweller? Okay. I mean, it doesn't matter, bro. I'm not saying it's, I'm not as ballerous. It's all these guys. Why Rolex? Because I got a bullet. Listen, that's not important. Okay. My point is, the point is the man is wearing the watch. Yeah, I like you very much. My question is, why, if I'm a researcher, I would want to look at an average guy who does really, really well with women and who has clients

2:01:52that do really, really well with women. But unfortunately, they don't, like, they can't use my data scientifically. And I've asked certain evolution, I said colleges before, I was like, hey, listen, if you want to go over research specifically with male, female, cross-sex relationships, and whether or not having cross-sex relationships allows you to read the minds of women. I told you guys this before, great way to be able to read women's minds is having a huge slut friend. Having one female friend who is a huge, huge, huge, you have any female friends like this? You don't have any friends like this? Okay. I have no female friends. Okay. So having a huge, I have a quick business. I want to do something. I meant to do a long time ago, but we had now have an opportunity to do this because people in the shadow are like, oh, he's really insecure about his height. I was a, I posted a picture. And you know the picture that me and you and Sosnik are in for when we were at my, my wife party, right? And people go, wow, I think Rolo's taller than Mike. No, I'm about an inch shorter. I'm trying to explain this to him.

2:02:52And so here's what we do. Kyle, can you do this? Can we like move with a camera so he can go stand up against that wall where we have the tape right there? We specifically did this so that you guys can, once and for all, now you guys can see, just I also want some hater on Reddit to come do this with us. Yeah. Does that matter what I do? They're just gonna say you fake this. So it doesn't make any difference. I also kind of, I kind of like the fact that people think I'm five nine pulling all these women. It's kind of not. So what I, because this happens so often, what I did, you know those little, the strip, the tape that goes up side of the door at 7-11 so they can tell how tall the purpose as he runs out the door. We have one I got that specifically here. So I went, go over there and stand by that and let's, let's see exactly. Once and for all, this is how tall Michael Sartane is. All right, here we go. There we go. Like to turn around, turn around. There you go. Okay, so you guys can see what the hair is about. Sit on the hair. This is so, so,

2:03:53no, right. So my skull, I've never seen this in a more than eight years. Yeah. I'm being in one of my head. So I know knock you skull. I'm not my skull. My head, I'm gonna shake my head. My head slows down like a, like a, a, a slide. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I shake my head, I look like a content. Yeah, this big. So the top of my skull is actually the same height as the hair in the front of my head. Sartane's a star child. But if you take, you take it over here, yeah, it's about six, a little bit more than six months. So that's about working on it. So I don't know, anybody else want to check this out? There it is. That's it. Obviously, I'm learning shoes that have a listen. Yeah, yeah. He's not standing on a phone book. Yes. He's not standing on a milk carton. Yeah. I think they're doing more of the top of my skull because I have this huge, like, xenomorphic full screen. It is a matter of like, all you did, all you did was give the flatter.

2:04:55There's more reason to be here. No one will care. First of all say, fake. It's fake. It's fake. It's so incredible. Right. This will, people will lose. People will be just, I hate Michael Sartane. There's going to be crazy or whatever. I'm going to say this. I wish I wasn't six one. I wish because it actually I could sell more. I could sell my product more. But yeah, unfortunately, that's what I'm at. What would you want? I mean, for my program, five, six. If I was five, six, I'd be, oh my, I'd make so much money and be ridiculous. That's why I have a client who's four, eleven who look crushes a woman. I have a ton of clients that are Indian. They're South Asian guys who are, just go to MOA mentoring.com for us. That's the money. There's ways to get over the height situation. There's ways with charisma, leadership. You know, people in the chat asking why Myron's not on here. You guys clearly didn't watch last Friday's show when both of us were on the show with Myron. He basically tabled the castle the entire table so that we could go on for another like three hours after that guy was so playful.

2:05:55We are out of there. Yo, and then I get home and the girl in my bed is like, who are you with? And I'm like, you can literally watch. You can literally watch. I know. You can literally like, do you understand how weird it is for a woman dating a streamer? Like if you're, if you're a clavs girlfriend or if you're, whoever, like, who are the big old one, baby, the alien or whatever is the any androgeant, whatever these, these streamers are. If you're, if you're dating one of these guys, like you get to see what they're doing all the time. You can't, you can be jealous, but you can't accuse them of shit they didn't do. It's just like, it's so crazy. And they track your phone. What are you doing at the hotel? I'm telling you more in the morning, a podcast. Yes. So they're like, you were at a hotel and I'm like, I was at a hotel. I was at, I was at, I'm gonna sell a lot of brickless. What do you do? Yeah, it's a hotel. It has a residence and it has a hotel. Why were you getting pizza at 5 a.m.? I was like, because, because I was hungry. It was 5 a.m. Oh, that was great. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. I could have read a true time. I think you need the, yeah, I read it. I didn't think you needed the pizza. I didn't think you wanted the pizza. Am I wrong for that?

2:06:56Oh my gosh. We just broke the internet. I'm sorry. There's a lot of guys just crying right now. They saw that whole thing of me being inspired. I don't know. I feel so bad. I love getting into my blood and saw it as my blood. Yeah, I think he's a man lit God. Got forbid I like stand next to Miron and like J. Waller. And I'm 5'11 and they're like, y'know how to those guys are ever saying, I knew brother was a Man Lit. What does he 5' 9"? He was like. You know, it's crazy, boy high. I'm around to 10 guys all day. and Michael B is like 610. I'm six foot at best, right? And like for me it's kind of like, I look at his, okay. He has this portion of girls, I have my portion of girls. There's more than enough to go around at our level. Some of us look at his, okay, you know what? He's taller than me, so FM, he's taking my girls. Yeah. Bro, what? Dude, look at all the girls that are here in Vegas. You can't fit them all.

2:07:58He can fit them all. He's the he who, but guess what I can do? I can go on my dating app if I was gonna use the app, Instagram, and find some ones that he can't find. The point is there's more than enough to go around. Yeah, so heightened itself. Yes, you could say it's a detractor, but at the same time it doesn't eliminate you from everything in the world. No, it doesn't. You do, I will say it's an advantage, and it can be a disadvantage at some point. I've just seen a lot of girls say, I won't get a guy below this height, which he will, if the dude has enough rizz and swag. Kind of money. Well, sometimes money, but it doesn't have to be money. It can be money, but it doesn't have to be money. I've seen dudes, I have seen guys humor their way into vagina. Hopefully you guys have all at least had one friend who's done that. Like literally no chance whatsoever, but what I've also seen the guy who leads the social group for the birthday party, the escape room, the whatever party, the club promoter, whatever, and he like, he social proofs his way into vagina. And then I've also seen the one,

2:09:00this is, I would say this is me, who's pre-selected his way into looking up with girls that are kind of out of his league, because girls will see who I used to date, and I get this message all the time. Whenever I'm single, they're like, I saw your ex, she was so hot. I get this frequently, or like all of my previous exes. And so that's another way. Who's the comedian? I never forget the guy's name, dad, I'm during 9-11, used to date, Kim Kardashian. Oh. He's so indescrib- didn't discrept, I can't even remember the guy's name. I'm sure someone in the chat will say the same. But my point is that guy, he did really well with women, because he hooked up, if I went out with Kim Kardashian, the amount of women I would get would double. It would, because just because that's how pre-selection works. Have you heard about the Instagram chat method where guys will post by their girlfriend? Davidson, that's the same. By then girlfriend, a Jew Aggon. By her, a bunch of roses, in a thousand dollars, you can't take them with trips. Love bomb. It's called Queen Game. Yeah.

2:10:00And I just wonder, why would you post this shit? You look like a lame lady. No one needs to know. But then I met someone that's a good friend of mine who does this every other month. I'm like, what are you doing this for? His DMs, oh my god. His DMs, I'm like, holy shit. Queen Game. And now I'm, because I feel like, dude, this is kind of a sandwich. What are you doing? But when I saw the line that goes DM, I'm like, hey, what are you doing this weekend? That could be me and you. I'm like, you're fucking bull just for this shit. Yeah. It's an advertisement budget, like we're talking about for a friend. It is. It shows your generous. It shows your generous and your attainable. And the girl gets off on the idea of stealing you from another woman. And those three things, so it's called, the term is called Queen Game. Queen Game. Queen Game is, you make one girl look like you're queen with the express intent of getting other women to slide to your DM. So it's the picture in front of the Eiffel Tower. It's getting her a car. It's going up the ski lift and having the people behind you take a picture of the two of you on the ski lift. I knew one guy, he literally, all this guy did,

2:11:01was cheat on his girl and then post pictures of him, with his girl doing all this stuff. And his DMs just packed full of women. And again, I'm going to say this again. The problem is you keep telling us we're wrong. And then we keep doing things that we say are right. And it keeps working. And I don't know how, if I'm a woman, and I really don't like this content, who I really, really, really am angry with, is the women sitting on Clav's lap. The women going on fresh and fit. The women who keep dating the guys in the space. And you keep, the other thing I loved about that mooncat video was we were in cell podcasts. And I'm like, you can say a lot of things about me and fresh, and my iron and roll, and no fugazzy and Brian Atlas. But the idea that we don't, that we're involuntarily celibate, is just factually incorrect. That it just isn't true. So I thought that was interesting. Just saying that might be a conversation or something to bring up when you have your debate with Paul. But that takes a lot of like, finessing in terms of like, where to put, because like, the chat sort of is right in the way you're attracting gold diggers.

2:12:02But if you're just using them just to fuck them because that's what it sounds like. But like, that'd be so funny too, imagine, you're breaking up the check and just like, this could be you use all your old pictures. Just take the girls face out. Yeah, well, this could be you. Well, the thing is, I don't think it's, it's just gold diggers because the problem is this man, the amount of women that have asked me to like, introduce them to pick whatever a cloud like, if that girl hit me, ask me, is like, can you introduce me to a cloud? And one girl asked me, can you introduce, more than one girl, can you introduce me, and her take, 100 girls say, can you introduce me to Justin Baller? They asked me to do this stuff. I don't, and when I look at these girls, they just introduce themselves. Yeah. They're not, they're not, they're not, they're not gold diggers. They're not gold diggers. They're not gold diggers. Like these girls are, they're not, like a lot of them are just regular girls that I see wanting to do this. And I just, I'm just, there's gotta be a way for somehow we can express, Dr. David Busch just goes on, trigger nometry last week. The title of the, the title of the interview is called,

2:13:02nobody wants to hear this. And there's gotta be a place where we can say the thing, nobody wants to hear, and understand it is going to create resentment with some people while at the same time recognizing, while at the same time recognizing it's still true. We're gonna say, you're gonna say things when it comes to biology, economics, when it comes to socioeconomics, when it comes to dating, sometimes you're gonna say things that are true that do make people resent or make people upset. It's just true. It really is the truth, right? If you tell people that are overweight, hey, you're less likely to be able to carry a child through nine months of pregnancy, and you're more likely to die of heart disease, some people find that offensive, even though it's true. And we have to be able to find the balance. And because we can't find the balance, then we have a red pill space that exists because people don't wanna hear this stuff, like what Dr. Busch said, nobody wants to hear this. And we also have an anti-red pill space, which are people saying the same thing. The gentleman's fear. Who are copying the same talking points with different words,

2:14:02and then saying, we're not like those red pill guys, and almost using our arguments for bail. Like that's the problem, right? So, I don't know how we're ever gonna get to a solution, where we could get to a solution, which is, hey, let's come to the realization that some of the things that the Manusphere and Red Pill Guy said are correct. They're factually correct. Even if we don't like the way that they said it, they are factually correct. And one of the problems that those guys have is, while they can describe the problem, taking it off. Casting art? Yes, streaming art. Kick it.

2:15:02What's going on now? We're on, okay, good, all right. So, we're on, good enough. Who what happened, there we go. Now we're good. Why did it kick you out of school? Sometimes, it kicked me out before, too. But it didn't turn the channel up so. Well, I'm still up. So that's fine. That's all it matters. We have fail safes. We ever done it see here. Ma, as I was gonna say, I watch the, or there's a article recently, essentially it's the same fucking thing, over again, which is, you know, men need to do better. It's men's fault that the marriage, you know, if men were better than women, we wouldn't want to marry them and stuff like that. And that's again, you're going back to this marriage as sort of a litmus test or all of this. Well, I want to talk to, uh, fresh about now, all this stuff we've been talking about, like, you know, what we've been doing for the last, what, now got six years now. Six years. I was, one of the friends, you're spending these when, when, uh, when, myron kicked off all the girls on last Friday. The first question I said, I was looking at them, I go, are you, aren't you getting tired of all this? He goes, well, you know, he was really honest about it, right? But before Mike got here, and we were talking about, like, the industry and

2:16:06how things are changing as far as like streaming and kick and, and just how we're not, like, the streaming side of the stuff that we used to do from 2021 all the way up to, I guess, 2025 now. Do you see, like, the content still being relevant or is it the delivery that's going to be more relevant than the content? So, like, for Mike and I, I've got six books under my belts. Mike's been doing what we, M.O.A. for God knows how long. We have our independent sort of, you know, little, little fiefdoms, I guess, you know, we got our own other products that we have going on. But to make those things relevant, we got to start playing the game differently. And the way that you were just describing before we got here. Now, my question to you is, is it still, are we still able to be honest? Are we still able to be like genuine in what we do and still be able to broadcast to the same degree that we need to so that we can stay relevant with the noise that's coming out with the rest of the show? Yeah, well, the content is always going to be relevant. No doubt about it.

2:17:09You can see it today with celebrities, their lifestyles, also all these cases happening. You see, even women on podcasts, admitting, hey, listen, this how I am as a woman, and it confirms what we said for years in Red Pill that women are promiscuous, they do what they want. They don't care about men's standards. What's going to have to happen is the delivery with the pack and has to change. Because the whole order of just being truthful online, keeping it real, is under attack. It's all, it's always been under attack, but it's more so now with them before because of the algo. Look at AI. The moment you say certain words or certain things, yes, you're gone like that. Now, rumble, luckily, gives you that free speech platform to say what you want, so it is kick. But at the same time, things are always evolving. And as far as mainstream marketing goes, TikTok, YouTube, what else? Snapchat. They have a broader audience to market to. And if you

2:18:11want as a creator to push those platforms, you have to package it in a different way. Look at Klaev. Klaev brought Blackpill to a different audience, different package. Never done before. He's not in the first, not the last, but his packaging was different. Us as creators have to do the same thing. Now, look at it from standpoint of someone that's new. Oh, I heard there about people. Turn off. All I've seen are Netflix, the documentary about these people in the right post base. Turn off instantly. No question in, no review, just because. But what if you bought in a hot girl? And the hot girls saying, roll will change my life. Here's why. Play the clip. See right there. It's the same content. This package is different. And I give them a, wait a minute, let me stop. Wait, rollo, the guy is in the documentary. He's a bad person. Why is she saying this? Now, I want to listen. So it's all relevant. This package has to change because again, we've been

2:19:16under attack for so long. And our needs have been directed the month for so long that any type of content with our faces on it for the most part is seen as like bad, bad. And it's this help people are trained. But the packaging of it changes because they'll win. I don't think there's any way to help. So the issue with the, when you package things the way that we're going to say, like the mainstream dating advice package is it? Like, I really like Scott Galloway. I don't think he can help you get laid. I like Scott Galloway. I don't think Scott Galloway has the advice to help average men do better with women. I don't, I don't think drinking more is the answer. I don't, I like, I love listening to Richard Reeves. I don't think Richard Reeves has a legitimate solution for men who are very average being able to get with women. And with all due respect, I, I really enjoy listening to Chris Williamson. I don't think Chris Williamson has what it takes for you as an average man to be able to date women in 2026. I think he has pieces of it. I think he has percentages of it. I don't think he has the whole thing. In order for you to come up with the

2:20:18entire thing, you would have to test thousands of different, of iterations with thousands of different men with hundreds of thousands of different women in order to make this whole situation work. And when I do that, in order, if I were to tell you everything that I've learned, it's always going to sound toxic. There's no way around it. There's, now, if I were to every piece of toxic information that you think that I give, if you were to take that same piece of information and say it's for women, it's not toxic all of a sudden. It's not toxic all of a sudden. If I were to say something about men need to have standards, men, these men, they think they're the prize. This is these stupid men. If I were to say women need to have standards, then it's not toxic. If women were to say men all need to start in jail and work their way out, basically need to start in bondage. That's funny. It gets promoted on TikTok. It gets a huge laugh, hundreds of thousands of likes. If I'm a man and I were to say women need to, I'm not even going to say it because we're on YouTube. I'm not even going to say the words. Women need to start in blink and then work their way out. Then it's toxic. It's misogynistic. So the problem is if you are to give

2:21:19men good advice, there is no possible way to give men good advice. You have to really squint hard and clinch your butthole. Really hard to maybe get around the censorship. You're going to put it to give men good advice. If I'm like, for instance, I'll tell you really good advice for men. You're out with a girl. Things are not going down the direction that you would like them to go. You yon and you say, hey, let me call you an Uber. I'm having a great night. Let me call you an Uber. I need to get up and get some work done tomorrow. Even if you don't have work to do tomorrow, I recommend guys do that. You're setting a boundary. You're letting her know, hey, listen, it's not that you're just wasting my time. I think I'm wasting your time. Let me buy an Uber for you. I've done that before. I've had my clients do that before. Then crazy enough, as soon as they actually push the Uber and the girl see that he's not bluffing, the girl all of a sudden wants to stay. And then funny, she wants to stay at your place. Now for somebody who listened to this, God, that sounds so manipulative. No, it's a game. It's a push and pull game that

2:22:21goes back and forth. And if it was talks, it will, like, why does it work so well? Like, I don't understand. Or another thing that I've happened is the girl does go on the Uber. And then next time she hangs out with the guy, she realizes, okay, I've got about a two hour limit with this guy. I can't just keep trying to get validation and attention from him. I actually have to let him know whether or not I'm sexually attracted to him or not. And so the second thing that happens is, the second time you go out with a girl, she very quickly takes the interaction to where you want it to go. That makes sense. We got to say the words is wrong YouTube. We got to use different words. So that comes off as toxic. Another thing I will say before is, if you were, you had a date with a girl and she stood you up, I would tell guys, post you having a blast doing fun shit, whether or not it's in a nightclub or out with your friends or out deep sea fishing or in Jamaica or whatever, post on your IG that you're out having fun and don't message her back saying, why didn't you message me back? You stood me up. Yeah, my feelings are so hard. Ignore. And then when she looks at all

2:23:22your stories and then you inevitably get a message, oh my bad, I'm sorry, I didn't message you back. Your response is, oh shit, I forgot we even had a date. I've had guys do this. They say, Michael, 10 out of 10, great advice. It works. But doesn't it sound toxic? Doesn't it sound toxic? Now, if Alex Cooper tells women to do that on caller daddy, now is it toxic then? No. That's the difference. There's no way to really, really get in there, right? You can't, there's telling people to have good habits and then there's the heart transplant. There's no way to really get into the meat and really change men's lives. If you do so, you're going to say things that the opposite gender is not going to like. Period. It's just the truth. There's no way around it. And so what's happened is because these guys are so afraid of the algorithm, they never say the actual thing that men need to hear in order to do better with women. They never hear it. Makes sense. They're still taught, hey, you know what? Women like the dad bod. They don't. They don't like the dad bod. They don't. Sorry if you didn't know that. They don't. If you survey women, who would you rather have sex with? They don't select the dad bod. They select the guy who has muscles. Sorry, that's true. So what we do

2:24:28instead is these midterm offseason. Yeah, these mid these mid tier these middle of the road content creators, what they say is women like the dad bod. You work out too much. You look like a narcissist. No, it's not true. What we need to do instead is what I do is I survey thousands of women who's the last five guys you dated. Basically, I'm reverse engineering who women fuck. And in doing so, I find out what the truth is. I don't ask them what they're attracted to. Because when I ask them what they're attracted to, they tell me what makes a good partner. I'm asking them who they have sex with. And when I find out who they have sex with, it's the same things that all the four of us have been saying. And the more you illustrate that, the more toxic you sound online. You don't ask them what aluminum she is. Ask her who she dated. Yeah, that's it. It's exactly right. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Women will give you a list of 12 things that they need in a man. And then you go through their dating history and there's guys that they dated that they slept with on the first night who were none of those 12 things. That's you just pay attention to the action. By the way, you do the same thing with men. If you guys are getting into business with

2:25:29someone and the guy says, I can do this, this, and this. Go back and talk to his previous business partners and find out that he ripped them all off. Don't do business with that guy. Okay. It's the same thing for men. I care about what you've done. Not what you say. Same, same. I want to hold the same standard to men that I do for women. But for women, when I keep hearing women say, I want a nice guy and your last five acts is turned out to be narcissists. I'm going to pay attention to what you did. Women vote with their vaginas. I'm going to pay attention to who you pointed your vagina towards. I'm not, I don't really care about what you tell me what fairy tale that you try to tell me that you're attracted to. I want a guy who's emotionally available. I want high emotional intelligence and a guy who knows multiple languages and he has to float in the astro place. He has to understand that my love language is gifts. Okay. I'm going to hear. I'm going to listen to all this and then I'm going to look at the last five guys you did it because it's easy to do. Why is it easy for me to find the last five guys you did? Why is it easy guys? Right? Why? This social media. It's easy. I can tell, I can find out the last five guys you dated. It's super easy that you people talk. I can find out the last five guys you dated. What's the car facts? Yeah. What's the car facts? And when I look at the

2:26:31last five guys you dated, I see that those things you swore to me, you needed an apartment, the last guy you dated, you slept with them on the first date and he had none of those attributes. So, so don't put me to that same standard. Can you imagine guys being dating a woman who's like, yeah, back in my day, I used to have three sums with all my boyfriends, but I'm serious about this relationship and I'm not going to do that with you. You imagine how that must feel as a man, how crazy that I would just be like, listen, I love you seem like a great person. You need to find someone you're more attracted to because clearly you're not that attracted to me if you're willing to have three sums with your previous boyfriend's and not with me. Sorry, that's that's the way I would look at it. Really sorry, I don't want him as gang bag. I'm sorry, man. I think I got your rumble on. Yeah, but you know, funny part about what I realized doing it for six seven years just as treating myself. Especially on camera. Women will say one thing and the most cameras off the opposite. And then come to find out like WLA have a boyfriend and then Chris will be like, yo, we're going to club after, come with us. Okay. And then we're at a club with the single. She's a boyfriend and she's actively trying to get with Chris or me or one of our friends.

2:27:37I'm like, you just see you had a boyfriend, but in the moment she said it because it looks going on camera. Reality she's single. A guy that's talking to her doesn't want to take a seriously. That's that's what it really is. So we must say one thing, bro, but especially on camera, those eight obviously just because it sounds good. It's crazy too because like all of us have been on like on fresh and fit and seen after hours and it's night and day. Like, and it's so crazy too because before they go on after hours, they're so calm. Everything's cool. I've literally never seen a fight before like before they get on after hours. They get on after hours. They act out and then they start acting right again. It's crazy. You know, obviously, some people just, you know, they're trying to like show off for the camera, of course. Oh, I have. There's also the white cloth necklace. Yeah. Some of the some of the some of the girls who have disagreed with me, the most strenuously on access Vegas have then later asked me, when are you going to take me out? I've had that happen before too. Knowing I have a girlfriend, they'd still ask me that.

2:28:39So yeah, of course that is the case. And again, like, I just, it's so maddening to me. It's like, why we should all be agreeing. I don't know why we're all disagreeing. I think the the reason why we're disagreeing is because of the words that the most extreme people in this space use, whether it's you know, Andrew H. Sikki Tak here, whatever, we don't use those. When you use those words, the problem is about a third of the population just shut off. They don't want to hear what you have to say anymore. And so there's a way to do this without using the same without using the words, even though the audience resonates with the words, right? I just think there's a way to do it. And the other thing is what we need to understand is I subscribe to the Wiz Khalifa, juicy J, a school of thought here, which is these hoes, they for everybody. You pass them around there at every party. They go, I said, I'm getting a hoes. They ain't going to be loyal, not to anybody, but I still love these hoes. I don't want to marry them. I don't want to marry them. We all know girls. We've had great, incredible times with. We just don't want to marry them. They're, they're full of red flags. And they're fun. They're fun. They're fun to go to EDC with. They're fun to go to party with.

2:29:42They're fun for you and your girl to take home and have fun with. They're fun for that. That's what they're for. We don't hate them. I don't hate them, but I also know I don't want to be in a relationship with them. And that's the whole thing. And because they don't understand that, and then they they hook up with a guy that maybe not me, but some other guy they see a super high status, because of the money he makes or how good looking he is or how charismatic or how much cloud he has, and they think, well, in their estimation, this guy's a nine. So I can, I can get a nine to settle down with me. No, honey, you had a threesome with me and my girlfriend. That doesn't mean we're settling down with you. You're confused about what's going on. And so I love the term 49ers. For now on, we're just going to, let's just, three of three of fours. Instead of three of fours, they're 49ers. Fours who think they're nine. And that's where we are. And by the way, there are, there are men who are like this too. The difference for men though is we're a four and we think we're a nine. When we message Megan Fox, she doesn't message us back. But if you're a woman who's a four and you edit your photos and you message Michael B Jordan, he will message you back. Tiger will message you back. Right. These guys will message you back. Right. Michael B's

2:30:42a smash. Just smash smash. They will message you back. So so their fantasy, it goes all the way up to the guy's bedroom. Whereas our fantasy, it stops. Right. We're in the request folder in the DMs. And that's the difference is so we as men, we are always like, I'm a nine until I walk into the powerhouse. Yeah. You walk in there like, as men, because we're competing all the time, I understand. Yeah. Like I think I'm a pretty interesting guy online. And then I watch some of these other guys like they're way more interesting to me. I understand as a man, I'm constantly being beaten down by the fact that other guys are stronger than me, richer than me, more popular than me, et cetera. So I kind of know where my value is. I know how much I have to offer. I know the unique things I can offer. But I'm always aware of it. If I'm a woman and I can just edit my photos and have men out of my league have sex with me, then I nobody clip that please. I can have them have sex with me. Then then I might believe that I'm somewhere that I'm not. And because I'm so, because as men, we have to we create, we understand our value based on the supply and demand

2:31:44curve that would that exists around us all the time. For women, their value is something that they give themselves based on how they feel in the moment. What are you going to do by all stocking? Exactly. Is that your somebody? Yes. That's hilarious. You need that. Yeah, but just real quick. Yeah, I just find it hilarious, right? Because you bought up some regular points. It starts in. And it's funny. All of our detractors who are talking shit about us for years are doing what we're doing exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But full print. Yes. Full print. Just bringing up once again, the port and preach. But it's also a port and preach. It's because they will say we're always focused on, you know, the red pill, the truth. It's too hard and it's not a good message. Yeah. And it's seen token. They're doing on a high level what we're seeing because it works. Yeah. If it didn't work, you wouldn't do it. Are we talking about the content or the gaslighting of all the women he got right? They're doing sneaky fucker again. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they're doing. Well, the thing that gets me is like, I mean, I'm not going to name names because they're basically

2:32:47not going to know I'm talking about it. Right. But I hate it when I see another guy talking about how write another article or does another fucking video about how they're leaving the manuscript. No, you're fucking not leaving the manuscript. You are never. I'm sorry. You are not leaving the manuscript. I'll see these other articles about these guys. You're like, I was part of the red pill community. And it was like a cult. And now I had intervention. And now I'm out. I'm away from it. I'm no longer red pill anymore. Like, dude, you're still red pill. You still are aware of the things that people talk to you about. And I put it. I've been worried about it. I said, once you put the glasses on, they do not come off. So you can stick your head up your ass and you can put your head in the sand, whatever it is. But at some point, you're going to, there's your, your, your niece or your aunt or somebody they're going to be in some sort of relationship. And you know, oh, that's what those guys talked about that time. You're going to see the code in the matrix. Some, something's going to happen in popular culture or you're going to be scrolling on your, on your social media and you're going to see some story that relates to something that you understood a little bit better because you're a red pill aware as a result of that. You can go and

2:33:51make all these great articles about how, what is it? The latest trend is this. It is these, what is it? Jim sex. I think it was Jim sex. I'm not talking about this. The rise in divorces of red pill men because these husbands become red pill all of a sudden and they divorce their wives because they won't cook and clean. It's the kind of personal. It's the women. Women leaving red pill. God, man. And I'm like, what do you mean? You mean women, the gender that causes 80% of the divorces already? They're saying. Yeah. Like, no, no, what you're doing is your future code. The way that they write this though is that it's like, well, he suddenly expected her to cook and clean just like Andrew take tells women to do. It's like this over the tide you tell because it's this rhetoric that is like boosted to this absurd extreme. And it's like, first of all, like, who is saying this? And if you don't even need to ask that question because all they're doing, again,

2:34:52the gentle manosphere, this anti-manosphere anti-red pill, you can build brands on it right now, essentially. And all they're doing, all you got to do is just exactly what you're saying before. So all you got to do is just amplify that signal. And it doesn't matter what the content is as long as it is in the nice, easy to digest packages. You're running through the drive through lane and jack in the box and they throw it in your mouth and you're onto the next kind of thing. The algorithm is changing for good. The old ways of making content, the health distributed, are changing for good. Now, if you're smart, and this what people do, they say, okay, if I make content about xyz, aka the repil, negative, like, I get push or an algorithm. And remember, they're using not AI to push content as you see fit. Now, listen, if I'm a platform, right, with power, control, and AI algorithm that does what I say, I'm going to make sure to put out for my sponsors, excel repil. Keep them more there at. Don't push them. I'm at excel politics. It's divisive. I'll go for sponsors. I'm at excel, hand on the Jews is what it is.

2:35:57Back in business, excel now, couple of that into major like YouTube, for example, what is it done for all of us? It's a stifled algorithm because it doesn't help the sponsors get what they want as it turns to like get into a sponsorship. So my point is basically, I'm not sure. These people that are pushing this agenda against repil, they can pay to do it. That's what they're doing. And they're being rewarded because they get alga push, new fans, payment. But they know deep down that it's true because if they didn't know, they don't have bank closed doors. So that's how I'm saying, bro. Yeah, no, you're correct about the algorithm push. The algorithm because a little bit less on YouTube, but way more on Instagram and TikTok, because the majority of the purchases on those platforms are by women and saying things that women don't like to hear. Like again, you guys understand any one of us right now could say something that is objectively incorrect, which is we could talk about astrology, whatever, flat earth. And we would grow faster than we would as a red pill content creator. As a red pill content creator, you're going to be demonetized, it platformed and ratioed. And you could only all you could do is bring up peer-review

2:37:00data and you're that's still going to happen to you. But if you sit there and you make content about astrology that is like categorically not real, then what happens is you are going to grow faster than you will. What am I in trouble now? You're going to grow faster than you will making content about evolutionary psychology. It's just it's the truth. So the reason why is because astrology makes women feel good and evolutionary psychology does not make women feel good. I do against like a astro projection. Yeah, whatever they avoid. Whatever they buy. Again, again, like there's no there's no way in a rational or just in northwood. There's no way in a rational society that like Logan Paul and Joe dispends to have more followers than Alex Hermosi or Andrew Huberman. There's no in a rational world, Alex Hermosi and Andrew Huberman help more people. It's not even close then. But start to your point. Pumpings prefer not entertainment than value. No, for sure. It's entertainment. This is what you're going to my point. The what they do is more entertaining. What I'm saying is we don't have a we don't have a society where you get the

2:38:01most views and likes because you help the most people. Otherwise, Andrew Huberman would be the number one podcast because of all the top 10 he helps more people than anyone else. Yeah, more plates more to yeah more plates. Yeah, more plates. Whatever. Yeah, my point is what happens though instead is like we get an entertain listening to Logan Paul talk to Calvickia, which is an entry. It was an interesting conversation to listen to. I'm not trying to hate on Logan Paul. What I'm saying is if we were doing this based solely on the merit of using this telecommunication in order to help the most people, then the different people would be Brittany Renner would not have a following. But Brittany Renner would not have a following the size of Alex Hermosi. But Alex Hermosi, Bradley and Andrew Huberman who actually do help people, those people have they have big following but not as big as these other content creators that just spew nonsense. Right? Graham Hancock would not legitimately not even be on the internet. Like that's what would happen. But we still allow this and saying that you know, so that's what I'm saying is the entertainment factor matters so much. And so what happens is it doesn't matter if it's true as long as it's entertaining.

2:39:03You saw after Artemis landed all the well, this is all fake and the moon landings were fake. I'm like okay, maybe you think it was fake but you don't have more evidence that it's fake. You have less evidence that it's fake and now you're going more viral because you're saying this and I have a Maverick approaching who wants to debate me about whether or not the moon landing was fake. It's fine. It's fine. You're good. You can get humiliated just like everyone else. You'll take the content. It's all the Maverick. Yeah, I mean, he's like I think he makes entertaining content. He's going to get humiliated if he actually is dumb enough to debate me. But that's the whole thing. It's like it doesn't make any difference because at the end he'll still have 10 times as many followers as I do. Well, it's like I remember when Gary the numbers guy told me that the in 2023 that the Vegas Golden Knights would not win the Stanley Cup. And I remember distinctly remember on the last game he was like texting me he's going dude give me a lot of shit on. I said you can send that money to the gray arrest Gary will trash you online and then take you to dinner afterwards. Oh, it's great. It's great. It's like it's back when he's wrong. He was the goalie back then who's

2:40:05playing on the thing. Well, you know why you lost because eight and hills numbers 33. Shot's all my 33s. You know what I wanted to say to you earlier when you're talking about the whole red pilthing. I was like why do my eyes hurt Rolo? Because you've never used them before. Once you put your shades on you can never take them off. It's absolutely. Every once in a while I have to go back and watch that movie just to remind myself like the lines and stuff like that. I had a bitch out so many. I'm gonna tell you right now because people in the fucking comments are gonna say this right now. I don't give a fine fuck with the Wachowski's brothers. We're now the Wachowski sisters. Okay. I don't know the writing at that time and what they were doing at that time was absolute fucking genius. Okay. I mean it was genius. It's a messy story. It's a correlation too. But it's also like the cards. I think they're for him. It's still consciousness. It's still existence and stuff like that. So there's so many things that are in that and every now and then I'll come back to one of the things I was just talking about recently is like you know how like everybody gives for whatever reason. Everybody wants to give

2:41:06me shit that I still use the name Rollo Tomassi and not my real name right. And there's a scene in the Matrix where I didn't notice this until I watched this recently but the Smith unit. The Smith agent Smith right. He only refers to Neo as Mr. Anderson. And because even when he's like talking to me he's giving those model logs and everything he's always referring to Mr. Anderson. And there's at one point where he's almost going to die and he jumps out of the way of the the oncoming like subway you know train. He says my name is Neo like because that's his name where he that he chose for himself to be like because people will give me shit all that all the time about like oh he's real name is not that it's blah blah blah and it's where else fresh. We know what your real name is. Myron Gaines is not really Myron Gaines. Okay. Ryan Stone is a different it's not his real name. A clavicular I'm pretty sure that's not his real name. Why aren't you giving this motherfucker you know grief right. The reason is because they want to take that and they want to they want you to to accept their identity. They want you to

2:42:12think that they can still define who you are. And that's the problem that they have. So it's like if I don't dress in a certain way if I don't act in a certain way if I don't deliver my material in a certain way if I don't if I if I don't fit into this idea of what they what they think I ought to be at that time. It's I've used the name for since really since the late 90s but but the thing is is like it's trying to deny you an identity of like you that you create for yourself. Yeah. Fresh print CEO is an identity is the persona that you kind of who you are man I mean we've gone out to dinner with my wife before right. I know your dog is right. I know what you're about right. But in the same sense it's like I think it's kind of cool at least to some degree that people can still like define who they want to be like Mike uses his real name but I know what his persona is and I know Mike off off camera too right. And I think that when when you get to a certain point people really want to try to take that away from that your identity they little

2:43:16reason want to take that identity away from you because they're powerless in any other in every any other respect. It's a very good point. Yeah. Miguel what's your name? You guys soon to name? Dollar cost crypto DCC. It used to be hex Jesus. Hex Jesus man I'm a man of many names Dogecoin Muhammad. That's funny. Yeah. You got any chats here? No I've been just kind of throwing them on an office. You know you know anybody wants a question you would be feel free to throw them out there. So I think I asked it to my question though. I asked you earlier if you were one for a day you had a soon to be husband slash husband. You went to a podcast where you might have fucked one of the hosts. Would you tell your husband there? I wouldn't say anything after. I think most women wouldn't say anything. No no you want to know why I know this. No God this is so bad. I can't believe I'm saying this is for all of us. Oh, roll up. How many times God I I hate to say this. I'm not going to say anyone's name. But a girl's come on our show that I've

2:44:20got Bible study with. Okay. This a lot of times has happened. And I don't expect their boyfriend they tell their boyfriends. Maybe it's the moral thing to do but it happens all the time where girls yeah like like okay I believe though if you were the guy would you want to know like for example you walk into the room. There's no idea that I don't know Miguel was the one that was pulling your your wife a couple weeks ago. Our months ago. Whatever. I don't know how I don't know how to answer this. I would and I wouldn't at the same time. I would not and I would at the same I don't know you got just one. Fuck it. See I didn't know. Most guys want to know. It's hard. Yeah. But it's okay. Yeah. I guess I'd want to know. I want to know but maybe not during the pod. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just for after. Yeah. Would you want to know? Absolutely. So. Niko. I want to know. What a buddy come right. It's so important. Because in Miami it's a hyper inflated marketplace. Yeah. Absolutely. We have many beautiful women and pause. Good looking dudes. Pause again.

2:45:24And it's because I don't want to check right. It's why the four girls only. Because at least I know the four girl for the most part has not smashed your friends. Yeah. The worst you could do is the man I think it's the walking to room with a girl. Your friends smash and you don't know. Yeah. The last. No, you look. I don't care if you're a top dog. You're an alpha male. What do you want to call yourself? You look crazy. And I'm not you. This happens all the time. I'll be in a spot with my boys. I'm like. Damn. I was with her last week but he don't know. Yeah. But he doesn't know. Yes. All the time. Yes. That to me is worse than that. That's like I cut. You don't even know you being cut. It's like you saying like all this girl's been on yacht last week. Oh shit. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. If you were one of the first people to talk about that yacht thing, dude, it's crazy. Would you want to know if your girlfriend or wife smashed somebody in your room? I want to know before I even get there. So, so what he said is correct. My last four girlfriends from frog level Arkansas Nashville, Tennessee, Oregon, North Dakota and Kildare, Ireland. There's the last four girls that I've gone out with.

2:46:25Yes. And the one before that. The one before that from Phoenix. The one before that from Phoenix. Last five girls I dated. That's because they're not. They weren't Vegas local girls. That's exactly right. So, man, I want you to be careful watching this podcast. Imagine you choose a wife or girlfriend nowadays, right? You don't know her past to a tee. That's fine. No one knows for sure. They can light of you and say whatever. But at least if you got a girlfriend or wife, bro, she needs to have the DC. You know what? Miguel, just so you understand. We go to spot. I fucked the manager. Because it's just a tell you, bro. You look crazy. You do. You're right. You look crazy. You're right. Sorting. What did I tell you? Paulie not. No, they won't. You fucked a promoter. You fucked sartane. You fucked. Well, but here's the issue. What? This is why I'm not I'm not mad at Amy. I'm just like, I, listen, Amy brought to do, right? She was in an impossible situation. Not a nigga. You're conservative woman. You should be honest with your man. You brought a nice charming young man that has no knowledge of how this

2:47:27act. He works, but you know, it works. And I'm calling on names here, but you smashed a couple of people in the space. Now, I know what you did. I didn't say anything. Shit. Zina did. My point is at least tell the dude. Listen, brother. I mean, you're I'm gonna come over to space. I know what's happening. Yeah. I was back for you. My love. My husband. My boyfriend. You know, this happened. Are you okay with coming to the studio? Don't bring him in and say nothing. A nigga. It's bulldozing. Do you look correct? He looks crazy. Yo, I remember to poor guys. Fuck two two incidents. One hypothetical. One two two incidents. One, I had two girls on my podcast. And then we had three way Bible study right afterwards for the next three nights. And then afterwards, uh, she the day she's leaving to go back to where she lives. Because most of the time when we have a girl, join us, she usually we don't like her to live in Vegas. Sometimes they do. And she is asking us for relationship advice for the guy that she's seeing. And I'm like, what another time this was not even a couple months ago, we're in a

2:48:30neighboring state to this one. And we go see a girl and she's she's telling us I have a date with this guy tomorrow. She's like, I've never had a threesome before. Uh, you know, I'm, I'm celibate. I'm choosing to be celibate. Comes back has three way Bible study with us. And then she comes to Vegas with the guy that she went on the date with the next day. And that's now her boyfriend. This is this happens. No, no, no, no. There's no, this is constantly happens. Constantly happens with us where we'll we'll have three way Bible study with a girl. And then all of a sudden she's asking us for like dating advice with the guy that she's, you know, it's interesting because it doesn't count. Because you have three way. Well, you will, like, and I know you've read these studies on it. You will because there are people that that you respect. But these guys will, we'll tell you how there's no way that's possible. There's no way that could happen because women would never be able to live with themselves. Con, you know, or else they'll qualify and they'll, well, those are low quality women. There's, there's all their damage in some way. There's always some kind of cope that goes along with that to explain it away. Right. But no, the fact of the matter is is that

2:49:35women can and do have an ability to compartmentalize cognitive dissonance just like that. Or it's like, it's nothing to them to to think of that with. Now guys, I think need to get that through their heads. So back to my hypothetical here is if, say, understanding what I just said right now, if you took that guy and I saw the pictures of the guy and I got a little bit of a background on the guy that Amy had has married, I guess, now, right? Yeah. If that guy, I'm going to ask you because you know better than I do, if that guy had known about all those dudes, right? Including the sugar daddy. I can think of at least four of the top of my head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I know who they are too. That's just the thing. Right. And my other stuff is do you, does that guy not strike you as a guy who would still go, yeah, I'll still marry her. Yes. But here's the thing, right? That's a good point. Here's the thing. That's a very good point. He's still doing it anyway. He makes, okay,

2:50:39you know, just let's go through with this method here, right? That's as you told them. And he said, you know what? I don't care. I still love you. Right. At least he knows. Yeah. Yeah. But now, but now, fast forward, this comes out and it's open in a way where you can't recover from this. Because think about it. Not that he knows, even if you could handle it to himself, the world knows. Yeah. Right. Now you're a cook, like you're exposed, your girls for the streets. Bro, how do you recover from that? How do you, as a man? You know what? My balls are beginning to handle this and stay with her long term. Bro, it's going to end. So, so I guess the issue is, you guys are saying it's not unreasonable for someone to want to be with Amy because she's been with these guys. But by the way, you know, I'm not trying to pile on here. I like Amy a lot. I mean, Amy went with me and she went with me and her and I friends, which she's been nothing but cool. I think Amy is a cool person. She's really cool. My thing is, you're not saying that because she's been with XYZ that she's not, she's unmariable, you're saying that even though she's been with XYZ, the guy she's going to marry should at least

2:51:43know beforehand that this is what's going on. And then there's nothing wrong with him choosing. Because guys, we're going to get to a point here really soon where it's like, I want to be with a woman who's only been with three guys and it's like, you're going to be a virgin, Pimp. Like, that's, we're getting to that place very quickly. That's the reality. Yes. Because this, this web botics on the board, because I don't think 10 years that number might to know if I'm in a vicinity of this. Yes. Yes. Okay. The problem is we are so hyper focused on sex as men and women nowadays that even on the lowest level of like actual love of connection, this is going to be crossover. Like, I'm sure if I live in Vegas, bro, we'd have multiple girls that we smash both. But as a real friend, as a real man, win, win, win, we do, you go put this in brother. Just so you know, I was with her boom. We smash because you're a real friend. Because you're a real friend. Because now, because now I know, damn, thanks, bro. Yeah. I'm good. And versus you sit there next to me like this, like, she's looking at you like, damn, he didn't tell him. Great. I got one up because remember, if she doesn't

2:52:44tell you as your partner, your homeboy should tell you. This is, this is, this is why I don't have as many guy friends. Like, like, guys will cut like, girl, be date. Like, a girl will be hitting on me. I mean, she has a boyfriend and he wants to become friends with me. And I'm like, I can't do this because I know how this is going to end. Right. He knows. There's been times I've been in Miami at a table, right? Tanky a table. My boys bought. Yeah. I'm different free, of course, because you know, I'm saying they bring girls. She's looking at my boy, a certain way. Like, just look at him. Remember, remember, I come at that. It's very important, right? For the beginning of talking, with sexual attention. So she looks at him as her in a way. I can just tell from the look they fought. I'm like, yeah, real quick, bro. It's like, you smashed that. Yeah, I did. Now, mind you, you know what I would have done? I spoke to her, gained a little bit, tried to smash, take a home. But no one, he smashed. I'm good. Cause it's just weird to me, right? I don't know if you guys have been weird to me. Of course. Yeah. Of course. I want to know. So I don't go on a path. For example, I don't call them names like big guy in our space. You know, you know them, you know,

2:53:46the, you know, the, you know, the fresh. You know, those girls. Yeah. This happened. Cool. Good to know. Done. Right. It's just a principle thing. But to not tell your homeboy and then for your girl, I'll tell you, pro, that's disgusting, bro. Yeah. And then, and then just to go back to the earlier example of like, all right, the dude accept these. Like, all right, I'm still going to date you. Because you told me. Don't embarrass me. It's the same thing with the guys with the guy, look, I'm, I'm messing around, but I'm not going to embarrass you. Okay. And then, and then you were like, then you're like, you embarrassed your girl and then she's mad and you're like, yeah, I fucked up right there. Right. But on the other side, too, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? Take me to this fucking party or like, if you're married and you're going to get out of this thing, why you putting in situations, make me look like a fucking idiot. I'm almost to the point now, where you, as if you're a man and you have any kind of personal brand whatsoever, you should not put your girl 100% 100. I'm calling my own foul here. Right. I legitimately thought, because I'm, I was 44, dating a 20 year old girl who looked like Megan Fox with a blue job that I would get more credibility from this space. And I got nothing but hate. And people started making all these videos

2:54:49about her due to in a million years, could never get a girl that hot. And I just made up my mind from that point forward, no matter who I'm dating, I'm not putting, I'm bringing her on camera again, as my girl ever again, because I think that's the answer. That's the only answer, because here's the thing, she could do nothing wrong. And there's still weirdos who will make up videos that say she did things wrong that she didn't do. A great example with the situation with Myron. Myron had broken up with Angie. And then there was a video of her with some skateboarder or whatever. They were broken up. Yeah. Well, I don't understand. You're sitting here trying to make this. So with my relationship, I broke up with her. The only person I told was I did tell you and I told you. Yeah. And no one picked up on the fact that I was single for a whole year. It was August of 24 when we broke up. It was August of 25 before I started getting messages. Are you still with so and so? Yeah. And then all the haters, they caught up there like, oh my God, they broke up. She must have cheated on him. And it was like, no, I broke up with her in August of 24. And like, I didn't tell any of you about it for the whole year. And it wasn't until people started seeing me with all these other girls that people started to figure out that I've seen someone else, which is why I said that's

2:55:53what Logan Paul should have done with Nina Oggle, which is just like don't say anything about the same thing with Travis Hunter. He should just keep stay off social media. Then a year later, be on a date already on a date with another girl. And then when someone asks you to be like, hey, I wish nothing but the best for her. And then keep pushing. That's the way to break up. Instead of what people do is like, I need to, we need to leave. I have a public statement, a joint statement. Yeah, don't, don't, there's, you don't need to have a joint public statement. You just keep it. No one needs to know. It's like your, you know, who's really good at this? Chris Williamson. I have no idea who's dating. I have no clue. He's doing a great job. I have no clue. Joe Rogan keeps his girl off the, off the internet. It's, it's terrific. You know the terrible example of this? A caution. That's about his bad. She can go in the opposite direction. What are you doing? Another issue, you know, I really like the guy, but Tom, Billion, like what you're doing with your wife, she, you need to have separate entities that have nothing to do with each other. But, but unfortunately, because, because she's, she's taking your, she's swaggered to you and taking your cloud. And now she's running off in a different direction with, with cloud

2:56:54that she didn't earn. Now all she does, there is no good that can come from this. None. You are not going to get a single sponsor or make a single dollar because of what you're doing. There's own, you've only enabled yourself to risk. Yeah. So the thing I would say is if you're a dude and you have even have 10,000 followers on Instagram, I think it's probably the best idea for you to just keep your girl. What you do is close friends list. Girls that girls that you maybe want to have Bible study with and dudes that are your homies that you trust, they're the only ones who get to see your relationship. And then everyone else, you just say, Hey, I'm, take pictures. I'm with 12 girls right now. We're just having fun. We're existing. We're living life might be sleeping with them, might not be sleeping with them. None of your business. I'm existing, but I'm going to give you some advice. You can listen to it or not. But when you make it about you, bro, it's a problem. People that use it as a shortcut for their, for their, like, for their social media pages. Correct. And that's also the problem as well. Like, I mean, because it's like, they're getting no motion. It's like, let me put my wife in here and then put in my wife on every fucking thumbnail with her ass and fucking yoga pants. Now you get a part of the brand and that's part. And then you get it. You want her to be a part of it, but it doesn't work. They're not all Layla Hermosi. If they were all

2:57:55Layla Hermosi, then maybe they're not like that. Well, if you notice, most agencies and Hollywood directors tell actors to get with somebody. Yes, similar to because if you go a fit relationship like that online, if it breaks that doesn't matter, because it's not even real. But as an audience, you're like, you should do that. She did this. It just, you know, engagement and more back to for the next season, next episode. But if it's a real girlfriend, a real boyfriend, a real husband, a wife, that's going to create tension automatically. So there's no way to win in that scenario. None. No way to win. So in that sense, even me, for example, I brought girls on stream. I'll have them followed. It was a series. Just have this fun. Even that was taken out. I was like, God, damn, I'm just fucking her. It's not my girl. So I think our species, especially our cameras way better. And I find it weird when people post their kids to listen, we all need to just be floating disembodied penises that just exist in the universe. We're, it's like it's hard. We are both sleeping with a woman and not sleeping with a woman

2:59:01at the same time. We're in a relationship and not in a relationship at the same time. Shrodinger's penis. That's what I mean. No, no, no, no, no, when they sit fresh, you don't get on a bitch's bro. You got to pay. Cool. Think that because you know what it is in real life. I know what I do. But it's funny because when I showed people the date that went on on YouTube and the vlogs, it got weird. It didn't go as parents. Oh, she's a mud shark. I mean, that's kind of funny, but you know what I'm saying? And it's like you're stalking her. And now it's weird because I don't want to hurt the girl. Yeah, she's super cool. I'm just having fun. We're having fun. But then it's like it's a weird place to be. Now imagine that was my girlfriend for real. Disaster. It can they create things and a parasocial dynamic where like it makes it awkward. And notice, I've been on YouTube for six, seven years before that. I watch YouTube for the whole time. You got to call my finger. My fingers, right? How many YouTubers are still together? After making data, making channels, having family channels, do they're all broken up? Why is that? Adding internet, comments, and two people together like that is the recipe for disaster.

3:00:06Because do you cannot control the outcome of what people will say, how they'll react to you? I want to push out there because think about it. Even if you're a music creator in the best in the world, comments will pierce to at some point. Yes. There's only one like archetype that I can think of that works with family is father, son, or father, cousin, male cousin, or something like that that I've seen work because if it breaks up, it's like, well, he's just off doing his own thing. Sort of like brothers. Brothers brothers. Brothers. Yeah. Brothers. Brothers. Brothers. But even then they could have gone into huge fighting just broken up and they'd do their own things. But still it's like it doesn't destroy the whole thing basically. It's like they're just doing off their own thing depending on how bad the fight is. People always like ask me about like what my me my wife's dynamic is. And it's like, well, my wife doesn't want to be on social media. She simply doesn't. She says, go ahead, please do. Look for her Instagram. Look for her Twitter. Look for her Facebook. It's not there because she doesn't have it. She's never. Every time I date a girl stalkers, bro, these guys just start stalking them, asking them questions, all kinds of my favorite is this one guy fight because I've said this a million times.

3:01:08If you can find one single girl I've ever paid to hang out with me, go on a date with me, take a picture with me, come to my event anything. I paid one cent to any one of them. I will give you $50,000 if you can find one girl and all of them are tagged on my Instagram. So I say this and everyone shuts the fuck up except one dude actually took me up on it and he started messaging a bunch of girls and the girls were like, the girls were like, they were sending me the screen shots and a bunch of girls were like, the guy was like, how much does Michael pay you and the girls were like, Michael doesn't pay me anything. They're like, well then why do you hang out with them? She's like, because I love him. He's my friend. Michael is one of the like the greatest dude ever. And they sent me screenshots and what did the guy did? Did he go, oh my gosh, I've learned a new lesson. It turns out you can actually have a bunch of women speak up for you and actually fucking really like you. And then from that date a bunch of beautiful women. Instead he's like, fuck you bitch, you stupid whore. What do you mean? Like, what no, no, she's not a stupid whore. She didn't take any money. That's great. He couldn't accept the fact that I have never paid a single, never, it's not that I don't pay. I've never paid a single woman ever to come to any event or go to dinner with me or anything

3:02:14ever one time ever. And instead of guys saying, hey, maybe there's something I could learn from this dude. Maybe I could go to his YouTube channel and see the videos saying you can never lead with money. Why successful guys don't suck it dating. Maybe you could watch one of those videos that might teach you. But instead, what they do is say, screw this guy. This is my religion. My religion is I'm a victim because I don't have money or I'm a victim because I don't look like King six eight or clavicular. So I'm a victim. And Michael is taking away my victim status by showing me testimonials of due to her four, eleven and broke, ending up hooking up with hot chicks. And it's guys with Vic Indian accent, hooking up with hot chicks. He's ruining my fucking victim hood. Yeah. I mean, also, also, just at that point, obviously, I've said her sometimes, right? You're like, fresh can't do this. It's not possible. He's paying. And I didn't say, wait, damn, all those on my vlogs that have ever been with me, even the ones that bring on camera are my story. If I pay them not one, there's none. It's inspiring. It should be inspiring. No, mind you, it highlights their deficiency because think about it, right? Think about this. Yeah.

3:03:16If I could pull holes like looking chilling like this, you know what I'm saying? I'm not even like that muscular, that all for whatever. That shows their colors because look at the mirror. Yes. If I could do this, you can't do it. What does that say about you? Yeah, well, it's just because again, this is the same thing. I really hate this mentality when somebody says you shouldn't compare yourself to other people. You're sure to compare yourself to who you're worried yesterday. Fuck that. You should just compare yourself absolutely to other people. That will give you inspiration to get bigger and better and do so ahead. And we do it naturally. Anyways, there's no way you're going to never do that, right? I mean, I understand like beating yourself up over it. But if you're if you're a bodybuilder and you look at Arnold Schwarzenegger for his pride and you go, yeah, I want to look like that. Okay, you're comparing. Okay, today I don't look like that yet. Oh, do I look, you know, keep going every day? How much faster? That's just weird. How much do I got to do? But that's, I mean, the whole thing is just you know, the reason what what Mike was just saying a minute ago is like guys don't think it's possible.

3:04:17Yeah, they don't, I mean, fundamentally philosophically like, you know, mentally and their mental space is impossible for that to happen. And so that's why you got, well, you pay those girls. Oh, you, you know, the other one is the other one is those are fake. Those girls are damn it. The other one is those are fake charity events, Michael. I like their fake charity events. Just invest it's 501 C3. Just investigate if we're if it's a fake charity. It'd be so easy for you. Just explain it. It's a fake charity. We're literally taking toys for the midnight mission. It is a homeless shelter in Los Angeles. It's been there for 100 years. The people from the homeless shelter come to our event. They say, thank you for the two truckloads worth of toys. Do you think we take the toys home with us and sell the fucking toys? Are you retarded? What is wrong with you? It's not a fake charity. The problem is, here's the thing. When you really listen to what I say, have a bunch of women, introduce you to more women and build your entire social life around philanthropy. If you really think about it, you're like, God damn, that's a really good idea. Why didn't I fucking think of

3:05:18that? That's what you should be thinking. Instead is he pays the women and the charity is fake. No, bro, you're a victim. You're just a victim. You're a coward and a victim. That's it. And I'm sorry, I have insulted your religion. Your religion is only men who are good looking with money and get women. But unfortunately, you have to explain away my 4500 fucking clients and you can't. So you hate me instead. That's the problem. Just accept the fact. Like, I don't understand. Why do all these people have me on their show? Why is it so many? Why does the New York, if the New York Post and the London Times are writing negative articles about me, that should prove to you what I'm doing works. Okay, that's just weird. We're to a point where it's like, you got to accept this. All these people, dude, there's no negative reviews of my program. Do you realize that? There's no negative, there's not a single negative review of my program anywhere. Not 4500 clients. How is that fucking possible? How is that possible? And the reason why is because I am too arrogant to let anyone who takes my program not have success. I am so arrogant that I will not, it's like the Marines. We don't leave any

3:06:20men behind. There's no one I leave behind and that's the reason why I work so well. Somebody said there's three dudes in the room with sunglasses on and you're all losers. But now there's four. That's losers. You know, I was I was wondering sometimes, can we say can we save everybody? And we can. No, everyone wants to be saved. Yes. And as a result, we're gonna always wallow in despair. And that's the sad part because everyone's win. I already do. I mean, we've been successful. You know what, Kirsten, is when we see, when we see visible six, I've been working with the re-ignite guys for, well, I'm coming up on two years now, right? And I've seen guys who were just this side of suicidal, just this side of like self-deletion, right? And I still work with some guys. I will get a new guy in and we got to start it all over again because I know we're that guys out. And I'm thank God I've got other dudes that are in the program right now who are there to help out,

3:07:20you know, along with the thing. But they don't, I mean, you want to talk about guys who don't believe, these are young guys who don't believe that it's possible that they could possibly go to a, a Babes in Toilet and pick up a hot girl, whatever like that. Now imagine, imagine you're 45 years old and you just came out of a really bad nasty divorce and you don't think life is possible and you don't think that you have two options basically, delete yourself or rebuild yourself because everything you built up to that point has just been ripped away from me and everything you thought was going to make your, you were going to have this great life later on and to all been stripped away and you don't know what to do and you have no idea how to rebuild yourself, right? But gets me is when I listened to these guys talking about like, you know, what is it, an adolescence, right? Or the, or the, or the Manosphere movie or something. We, or we're going to spend 20 billion British pounds to, a million British pounds to make sure that little 13 year old kids don't go and stab their classmates because they don't want them to talk like Andrew Tate and everything. What about the guys

3:08:20who are 45 to 65 years old? There's a whole nother demographic of guys who are Gen X and maybe a few boomers, but you know, Gen X, maybe the latter half of the millennials who are, are still, that are part of the space. They're still part of the Manosphere. They're still part of the red, the red pill space. No one talks about that. They're like, once you get past like, you know, 45, 49 somewhere around there, you're effectively invisible at that point. You don't care, right? What about those dudes? That's still a part of like, you know, the masculinity crisis and nobody wants to talk about that. No one wants to help these guys rebuild. In fact, I, as far as I know, I have the only program that's doing anything that's, that's effective like that. But what gets me is that when I work with these guys who are previously really kind of hopeless and they get about six months into the program and they get, you know, we do an event or something and they go out and they realize, hey, maybe that maybe there's something maybe I can get laid, maybe I can get a, they don't even want to, they don't want to become players. They just want a girlfriend. They just want to be able to let's, they want to socialize after this complete disaster that happened to

3:09:22the light guy zeroed out, man. And it's like, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to turn these guys into, like, you know, play as so they can go and get their notch counted up. And like, yeah, we're going to fuck all these bad bitches and manipulate and play games with women. They just want to date, they just want to get a kiss. They just want to make a connection that isn't a fucking only fans, girl. They want to have a real human connection with something and they don't even have the opportunities to do anything like that. I'm trying to help these guys along, but no, Rose, Philching shackles out of the back of their pockets or something like that. These, these menace fear guys are like, you deal with this all the time. So do I. They're, they're just, they're on the take all the time. They simply don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It is confident ignorance on their part. But I think the quote today is, don't hate, just create. Look, there's many ways to get a cat and look, some guys want a paper box. Cool. By all means, go for it. Some guys, they want to spit game all day and game tricks all day. Sure, have at it. Some guys just realize, you know what? I need to be the full package and all the factors of life.

3:10:24So I'm going to do that first. They thought the girls. Whatever, whatever you want to do it, you can do it. My point of view is, if someone's doing well in their own lane, what hit on them? Forget it. We're for themselves to work. We got girls. Get success. Cool. We've learned from them. What they, they're doing to play the my life. Yeah. And you know what I saw? I saw a tape, right? Rise up to who he was in 22, 21. I was like, damn, this was killing it. He has everyone's eyeballs on him pause. And he has a lot of like, you know, good qualities that I could take from them. Yes. Played myself. The lifestyle, you know, helping others. Cool. I'll take those qualities. I'm like where I can. And bro, I tell you not, I kid you not. My second page, I was that what, like what? I think I was like 300k back then. Bro, I just took some shit from Adj's page. Blights of mine. I'm obviously, I make a money for the lifestyle. But like, it helped me grow a lot more. Yes. I got to make, you know what? Act this guy, bro. I don't like him. He's doing too well, bro. You got 200 girls in the cars. Fuck him. I just see, you know what? I'm going to rather than hate create and that's just my entire mindset.

3:11:26Do after that? You and I started doing those reaction videos. You know, the white, the green screen, the green screen, those are so great. They don't take a lot of time. They know for it. No effort. And they get, I'm actually, because the New York, like I said, the New York Post sort of an article about me two days ago. So I'm going to do one tonight. I'm going to react to the article and they do so well. They require so little effort. I'm in Miami with you and collab. And then I'm like, I need to get on kick. I need to get on rumble. So I started to kick and rumble this week from doing that. So yeah, you have to learn. I undertake his monologues that he does where he just goes off on one subject. And he just, he's so compelling when you listen to it. I try to steal that. You're right. These guys are really, really good communicators. But I also steal stuff from like Chris Williamson. He uses a bunch of peer review data to come to a conclusion that's not a very popular conclusion. I like that. I steal that as well. I would say, steal. I would say you apply things that apply to you. A stealing has got been a bit of a bit. A bit of excessive. But yeah, you get a point. Look at Miguel. His actual prowess for

3:12:27Krypton and obviously DCing is powerful. Now, I don't mean Miguel, you know, six foot one Mexican, wife and kids. He's a stud. But I don't mean Miguel. But his Krypton knowledge. Oh, by all means, good. Bless me, bro. Yeah. I'm always one phone call away. You know, so that's actually, look, look, look, guys, no one's perfect. No one has all that would not be in Las Vegas. There you go. But you can now place you and move forward, man. Look, Roles of Mentor, Miguel's a mentor. He's a mentor as well. We all are mentors there on our own, right? And look, if you're going to have a lifestyle where you want to have the best options possible, you can't always say, you know what? Dan, is it better than me? I'm just going to hate. Nah, just create from there what you can and take. You know, one of the biggest things Rolo always says about the red fill is it's choose your own adventure. Yeah, it's choose your own adventure. What do you want? Do you want to be a player? Do you want to be a family man? Like you just, you can choose. But people want to be told what to do. Like it's like, if you want to be a player, but if you want to get from bang bitches, bang bitches, but if you want to have like, you know, I'm a settle down now. I've been fucking horrors. I want to have

3:13:30a family now. I want to have kids. I want to have legacy. You can do that. That's the only thing that kills me about the whole thing. I went when everybody's like really super anti-manisfior, like the gentle manosphere and all this stuff. The presumption is that it's guys trying to tell other guys how to like get a bunch of how to how to get your notch count up. And it's like, I think probably the vast majority of guys that I have worked with don't want to they have no aspirations to be players. They just held some of these guys are like 30 years old and never gotten laid there. They I mean, I'm sure you've encountered them. These guys who are just want to get a second date. They just want to kiss a girl. They want to they don't even know how to hold a girl. I want to get a connection. And they can't even like talk to guys, right? Because they have the the social skills just simply aren't there. And they're just kind of socially awkward. Yeah. They got to find some way to get back and you know, some in into a routine so that they can learn these skills. And I'll tell you that that's probably one of the things that's the most underrated under reported aspect of all of this is we can talk about how the the latest chick guy divorced her husband because

3:14:34he was suddenly became red pilling out brainwashed and you're turned into this robot is this red pill robot. But you're not talking about the the and I can point you in the direction of a comment thread I have on one of my essays for something like 1100 1200 guys basically giving testimonials about how my work and the red pill in general has pretty much saved their lives. You don't hear that. Try to express that to a Brian was a Mark Mark Fennel on the ABC Australia thing. And and just saying like, hey, look, you know, it there's there's much more to this than just like the loud rhetoric and and the wanting to make ridiculousness out of all of this. There's a lot more going on. There's a lot more positivity than there is negativity going on here. And I just think that people just are not reporting into they're never going to because it does because you know why because under the new law the new rules for for social media that doesn't play. If I go I this guy decided to live instead

3:15:35of put the news around his neck. Guess what? If you to put the news around his neck, that would have gone viral. But if he takes it off and he lives a better life, that doesn't go viral. It's a good point. I trust. Yeah. We are going. We are at 315. So I think we are good. Man, thank you guys. That'd be extreme. That'd be extreme. Man. This is a real. We are like we are what's the testing like to so many. I think we're on nine or ten channels. This is going to be a new thing for us. We got to you have to like you have to multiple plow. Can I ask you guys to do one thing for me just to protect for just again, they because they protect free speech. You guys go to my kick right now. Just give me one comment on kick before we get out of here. I'm trying to grow my kick just be again. You guys think I'm bullshitting Gavin Newsom gets elected to become president of the United States. And you think we are safe. You are out of they will nuke all of us. We everybody who has anything to say they will go completely in the opposite direction. So in order for us to protect our brands, I didn't understand it at first when Myron was doing it now. I understand it. Please support creators on rumble kick and axe. Please. I'm not saying I love YouTube. I love Instagram. I love Facebook

3:16:40and I tolerate TikTok. But if you guys support free speech support kick rumble and axe. Please. Oh, okay. Awesome. Guys thanks. Have a good memorial day weekend. Thank you for your service. Captain Michael Sartain. Appreciate that. That was actually my nickname by the way. Yes. I started a new podcast called Outdoors Podcast. Yes. It's a one-on-one setting more intimate up in rural under Sartain as well. And Miguel. Obviously I'm going to have celebrities under every week pretty much. Really hot girls that are not wanting to come on Outdoors. And of course close friends that have businesses that are very successful teacher guys as well. So it's an all-in-one podcast. Out the work. It's called Outdoors, YouTube, Racks. Learn something. Get some knowledge. And have some fun. Oh, also rumble. Also the New York Post said that my program is $10,000. Look up men of action $27. It's $27 program. You're going to take it out. All right guys. Thanks for coming. And I guess we'll see you next week. Peace. Peace.

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