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Kelley Williams on Going to Jail for Trying to Give Her Daughters a Better Education

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“My father was a fighter, but I think he got so disproved. So, you know, destroy with the system that he just was like, I'm going to exit. He died in a pediatry when I was able to see him. And in Ohio, the hospital is in Columbus, or it was at that time.”From the transcript

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In this episode of American Potential, host David From sits down with Kelley Williams to share a heartbreaking story about a mother’s fight to give her daughters a better education—and the devastating consequences that followed.

After concerns about bullying and academics in her daughters’ assigned public school, Kelley enrolled them in the district where her parents lived. What followed went far beyond a simple enrollment dispute. The school district hired a private investigator to follow Kelley, and she was eventually prosecuted on felony charges, convicted, and sent to jail.

Kelley also shares the painful story of her father, who supported her efforts to give his granddaughters a better education. He was later prosecuted on separate charges, sent to prison while suffering from serious health problems, and ultimately died while incarcerated. Kelley describes seeing him hospitalized, shackled to his bed, and wondering how their pursuit of a better public education could have resulted in such devastating consequences.

Her case eventually gained national attention and gave Kelley a platform to speak across the country about education and the power government can wield over families.

This episode is a powerful conversation about parental choice, government overreach, and why families should have greater freedom to pursue the education they believe is best for their children.

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My father was a fighter, but I think he got so disproved. So, you know, destroy with the system that he just was like, I'm going to exit. I believe this world. Because he never came home. He died in a pediatry when I was able to see him. He was in the hospital. He had a golden hospital, right? And in Ohio, the hospital is in Columbus, or it was at that time. And I feel like no matter where you were in prison at, if you're in the state of Ohio, I feel like they they they send you to Columbus. I was able to see him a few times. They had his legs shackled to the bed. They had his arms shackled to the bed. And by this point, he's not talking. He's had several strokes. I mean, he was on dialysis. They put him on dialysis. And my thing was all it is for education.

Americans are capable of achieving extraordinary things when they have the freedom and opportunity to do so. This is American potential. Our guest today is Kelly Williams-Bohlen. She's a mom who wanted to get her girls the best education available. We registered them to attend school in the district where her parents were. For that, she was prosecuted, sent to jail, along with the dad. I want to welcome Kelly to the podcast to share her story with you. Kelly, welcome. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. This is such a compelling story. I mean, it speaks so much to like what we've talked about a lot. It's just really just government overreach. Just the power of government run amok. Not acting in the interest, really, of students, that citizens. So I'm really excited to, you know, I'm familiar with their story. And I'm really excited to help. Shit to share this with our audience. So talk to me about what the school was like that your girls. We're going to that you were zoned for that you were living in.

And like, why did you want to switch? So the school that my daughters were attending was Akron Public Schools. And they just it was it was it was several different reasons. I always daughter it was bullying involved with her. And then also the academically, I want to say it was a great F in that district at that time. I don't know what it is now, but at that time it was definitely a failing district. So I had those two components and then I was in college. I had just gotten a divorce. I was in college and and I was on my own and my parents wanted to help me. And that's how all that even began. So did your parents suggest that that you kind of that you use their address? Yes, absolutely. So my father was my dad my dad. He had been saying it for a while. Ever since I got my divorce my dad was like, we just bring him out here. You know, I got, you know, I got a.

Yes, he had a very nice. Yeah, just built. He didn't just build a home. The home had been what maybe 10 years old. If that and built this beautiful home, he had property, land and everything. And he was like, just come stay here with us or or enroll him here while you're in school. You know, I can help out with them and my father used to be an entrepreneur himself. So he had several he had gotten sick and he had like a stroke. So he was home. And being that he was home and he was still mobile. He could still get about. He was just like, bring him out here and I can watch them get on and off the bus. Because in that district, everyone basically. You don't walk to that school. It's kind of rural. You know, so everyone basically catches the bus or, you know, ride. And so that's how it began is that my father was like, just bring him out here. So I decided to take them out there and I remember. I initially went to the elementary school first.

There are their school district. Everything is close and right together. It's not like admin is some far distant place, right? So I went to the elementary school and I remember the principal met me at the door. And he was a very nice gentleman. And he was like, you know, you want me to show you around? And I'm like, yeah, that'd be nice. Thank you. So he showed me around. I'm looking around like, oh my goodness. This is like state of the art building at that time. They had an entire room and not just a small room. It was a big room. And it was just like a computer room. And so my mind is like, this is great for my daughters. Then they took me to their. Their what is the word it? You know, it's like a beyond science. I forgot what it's called. Not an ecosystem. But anyway, it was like they had acres and acres of growing crop. And they had these green rooms.

I mean, green, green houses, right? With all. And I was like, this is acres and acres. The school, my daughters was going to, they were doing what I was doing in school, where you, where you take a styrofoam cop. And you put dirt in it and water and you put it in the windowsill. So so, you know, just seeing those two things right there. So I was like, oh, I definitely want my daughters to attend this school. So that's when the process began. So I started enrolling them. Got the paperwork and everything. I did use my parents address. And I mean, I was really at my parents house a lot. Anyway, I was truly a mom was in daddy's girl. Like I was always there. And so. I enrolled them. They were there for the first year. I really wasn't. Really wasn't too much to you. You had, they had, they hired this liaison. And the liaison, her, her job was to come to your home. And she could come there any given time. You know, I guess in reasonable hours.

But she can come at any given time. And she can ask to see your bedroom, your bathroom, your closet. She can see if the, if the, if the, if you know, if my girls were there. And that was a, I, I kind of. I kind of felt awkward about it. But I was just like, you know, whatever. I mean, we're here all the time. My kids got plenty of clothes here. It's five bit was. It was a four bedroom home. And I mean, it was just, they had everything there that they had. At my home, you know, so I didn't think anything of it. But that was, that was the first year. And then the second year, the first couple of weeks of school has started. And we got, I received the last week. I was in the first year. And then the first week of school has started. And we got, I received the letter saying that you have clear and convincing evidence that your children do not live here. They had hired a private investigator to follow me around for a couple of weeks. And I want to say in court, it said 14 days. But I could be wrong. But I know it was a couple of weeks.

And they followed me around town to see, you know, my warehouse and everything like that. And I didn't, I didn't know about it. So let me get a straight, so the school district hired a private investigator to follow you around to see if your girls should be enrolled at their school. Correct. I mean, that's, that's incredible, isn't it? I mean, that's, first of all, it's an enormous expense for what we're trying to do here. That seems not proportionate. But, uh, wow, that, that, that seems above and beyond in terms of what government should be doing. It seems pretty disproportionate. Exactly. How many parents, so you know that they had to be selective in the individuals that they wanted to do that with, because I just felt like that would be so expensive, just to follow everyone around to see if they lead, you know, live in the district or not. So it's one of the things that you guys, uh, even entered into or at least thought about it into, into a power of attorney agreement where your parents had power of attorney over the girls, is that true?

Yes, they have. Yes, I had. So I went to our, our system is at the juvenile delinquent center, you know, so I went to just T Adosio and, uh, she was one of the serving judges for juvenile delinquent, but, but at that court is where you can get the grandparent power of attorney. So we didn't get it the first day, but we did get it the second year, but they didn't want the grandparent power of attorney. It was like the school, but if you look, if like if you had went on their website at the time, they accepted the grandparent power of attorney, like it wasn't like they didn't, they accepted it online. So we went, we got it, they were fighting against that tremendous, they, they, I didn't even know how much they were fighting until. Okay, let me go back. Let me go back. So just, so the second year, again, I received a letter just stating that we have clear and convincing. Evidence that your children do not live here.

Okay, so that comes from the private eye. Okay, so then we had to go to a meeting. So we went to the meeting, talked to the superintendent, the treasurer, and I don't know, maybe someone else was there too, but I know those were the two important days that I remember. And so me and my dad went and so we were just all talking and, and, and my dad was like, you know, what is the, what's the big deal? I pay taxes. They're here, you know, I land taxes and I pay my house taxes, you know, they're my grandchildren, you know, and so they just was like, and they were not bad. Like it wasn't like my daughters were behavior students. Now, were they straight A students? No, they weren't absolutely not. They were average C, you know, maybe be on some things, but they were just average kids. And so, so, so that so they were fighting that. So they, my dad was like, we're going to continue keeping them there at the school.

So then in June, I got a letter from just here, those, you know, saying, you know what, they're fighting that just remove them. I did. When they just said, move them, I moved them. I got them out. We're back to the, they went back to their, they went back to their Akron, Father Schools. A year ago by 80, it was a total of 18 months that went by. And then I received an indictment and it came in the mail. And so. I'm the kind of person. That's almost like junk mail to me. Okay, like when you, so because it was a postcard, it wasn't a formal letter. It wasn't priority mail. It wasn't a where you got to get it signed. Like the post office come post post person coming to your door and say, hey, you got to sign this. It was none of that. It was literally a postcard. So I'm looking at it and it said, it said Kelly, it said Ohio versus Kelly Williams. I was like, what is that? I've never been in trouble before.

Surely didn't know indictments come in the mail. Like that, especially. So. I remember I caught my father and I was like, hey, daddy, I got this. Part. It says Ohio versus Kelly Williams. And to me, that was almost like a setup because if I didn't have any common sense, I would have thought this is trash. And now I would have had a warrant. I'm not arrest. So I go to my, my father tells me to come over. I go to his house. And so we're sitting there. We waited for his mail to run. It's his mail ran a couple hours after mine. Now mind you, me and my parents. We lived off of one main street, which was called Coffley Road. Appearance lived in Coffley, Towship. But we both lived off of the off of Coffley. I lived on a street car heart. Heartburn. I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? That was at the airport, which was on the street, a street car heartburn. And it ran right into Coffley and I would turn left and go out to their home. It was what? Three and a half miles away. Now, so it wasn't like I was going across town.

It was literally three. It took me 10 minutes max to get there. So I'm sitting there. He gets, he gets the indictment too. So now the process begins. So now we go to court and we're city near. I never been in court before. know how I work. I'm sitting there and I'm looking at all these people coming in. I'm talking about rapists, murderers, people that saw, you know, a thought charges. It's real. They're shackled up in a big long line with the uniform on. And that stayed in my mind so much because I'm like, what did we do to warrant that? The duant, this situation right now. And so, and how long was this from when you moved your girls back to the failing school? 18 months later. So you're gonna have after you move them back. You got it over here? Yes, over here, over here. So we're sitting there. They call us to

the front. You know, I'm looking at her, I'm looking at the judge, Cosgrove, I'm looking at the court reporter, just everything's just playing in my mind like, like this is not really happening. And so that's the beginning. And so, oh, so then of course, we want it. My father's like, you know, we know we're gonna we're gonna spend on this. This is not, it shouldn't be this. This should not be happening. So, gotta go to court now. So now that's another process. So we go to court and they're picking jurors. They're picking jurors. And so we're sitting there and we're waiting on the jurors to be picked from the prosecutors and the in my attorney. That process began. They picked out the jurors and then we went to court court went on for maybe three, four days. It was a long, everything was a long process. And I got I got charged with grant theft, temperament documents and something

else. It was like three charges. And then instead of Ohio, if you get if you get two charges, you it's not you can't you I believe is two charges in the state of Ohio. You can only get one removed and they will charge me with three different thing. Grant that tab you with documents. I can't remember the third. I've never it's always hard for me. Remember the third. And I believe I can't remember because they end up dropping it. They're dropping it because of the attention that came with this. You know, it just out of nowhere. Just people started hearing about it. And so they did drop that one. But anyway, so I'm sitting in court and you know, they're asking me all these questions and they're showing all this information on on this projector and the project is showing my children's personal information like the social security number and mine. It's just like so like you just don't have no rights and you haven't even been convicted yet. And you don't have any

rights. They just take they just take everything. And I was and you know, of course, I was convicted. And since it's 10 days in jail, I had had 80 hours of community service. I had to write a letter to the judge saying, you know, why what you know, what I would do different and why and you know, why basically I was charged. Oh my goodness, it was a lot to this. Oh, I had to keep going back to every every week. It started off every week. I had to go back every week to my to the PO to a PO. I had to go back to her. Yeah, for all officer to check in. And I was on probation for a couple of years. It was just a lot. It was so, so, so, it was I went into a deep depression. My dad went to jail too. We both, if you look at the earth footage from Good Morning. Yeah, if you look at the footage from Good Morning America, you will see my father and I

on trial sitting right beside each other when all this was going on. And then I just, I just remember I was really sad that my father had gotten involved in this too. Because, you know, he was older. He was sick. He had every element a person can have. I mean, he was a diabetic. He had gout. He had a hypertension. He had a, he just, he was going blind. And so you just had a lot to him. And it's like, oh my god, this is not helping any of that with him. And what happened was they had to drop my dad's charges. Because we, he went through the whole trial with us with me. And then at the end, they had to drop his charges. But they could, you know, of course, they convicted me. And I went to jail for 10, I was supposed to serve 10 days. So they, she let me out nine days after the ninth day. So before I get to my father's park, because that's so sensitive to me.

Trying to keep myself together. I do want to say, when I went, when they took me away, I just remember they take you, they take you down. There's a whole world underneath the court room. And underneath there is where all the prisoners go. And underneath there's where all the prisoners go to maybe the van. And then the van takes you to your, takes you to the, you know, the county. And then I guess if you have to go to actual prison, then they take you there to put so anyway. So I just remember sitting there. I just remember, oh my goodness. I was a wreck. Complete wreck. Non-stop waterfall. Just complete wreck. Could not stop. Could not stop. And I want to say I was, yeah, I was handcuffed during that whole time. And I was looking at all the other prisoners. They were, they were bringing shipping prisoners in and out. It was like cattle. It was like everybody was like cattle just moving from one place to the other. And then they got me

and they put me in the, in the van. And I went to the county to the onus women's side. And I went off to jail. And I was, I just remember not, I wasn't able to say goodbye to my children. I wasn't able to, you know, it was just daunting. It was just horrible to me. You know, it's funny because I got family members that, you know, they get in trouble. They've gotten in trouble quite a few times. So they was like, oh, you, you suck it up. You're all right. I'm like, no, I'm not all right. This, I was 40 years old. And nothing like that ever happened. No, that's, I mean, jail, that's one of the traumatizing experience someone can go through. That's awful. All because you wanted your kids to get the best education possible. That's unbelievable. That was it. They probably should have, because they're very puzzling them. Yes, my peers lived there. And I just wanted the best for my daughters. You're like anybody. And I didn't think I did anything that wrong. And oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I want me to do that.

No, fine. But I didn't think that I did anything that wrong. And so my dad, so then they sent him to jail. And what happened with him, they had to drop his charges. But my father was like, I'm sick. I'm on disability or, you know, or he said he was, he was, he was sick. And that he needed medical attention. So soon as he said that, they went looking into, they went looking into that. And they tried, and then he was like, because once you're in the lion's mouth, they're not just going to let you out. So then they go and they start searching things about my dad. And they was like, I had a certain age, you're supposed to switch over. What's this you didn't? We're going to say that you stole a thousand, a hundred thousand dollars worth of medical insurance. But that was like medical. He was like, this wasn't wear fair. Like this wasn't, you know, you hear about well, well fair fraud all the time. He was like, that's not that. This is a disability. This is how, you know, but they

were so bad because it really started getting a lot of attention. And let me tell you something. When you, in the court houses, they want these things to stay in that fish ball. They do not want it side of their, their arena. And if it, and now, because now the masses starting to hear what's going on and you got all these, they said that the, that they had to unplug in the chamber from in the judge's chambers. They had to unplug the phone from her wall. That's how many people that was calling in that when this was on to transpiring. And, um, and, uh, okay. So, yeah. So my, my dad, so they ended up saying that he had stolen that money and they took him to jail, took him to jail, sent put him in the penitentiary for an entire year. Oh my, the state penitentiary. That's awful. You went to a penitentiary. My father had never been to a penitentiary. And that's no matter what crime you commit, the person you're bunking with could be a rapist, could be a petafile,

could be a killer murderer. So he's in there with these people. He's old. And these are young boys, men that could probably, you know, probably even, you know, harm my father. And I just remember, I just remember in July. So, so he went in in May. In July, my birthday is the 15th of July. And my father's birthday is the 17th of July. And I just remember, he was able to call. So he called, he called and he said, I can't walk. And I said, what do you mean? I said, what do you mean? He said, I can't walk. He said, I have something called, see, see, see, see, see, a nurse would know or a doctor would know exactly what I'm trying to say. And what happens is,

when you're in a facility like that, the doctors, if you're a medicine, the doctors really don't care about washing their hands after one patient to the next. So they, so they give you medicine. And then they go to the next person to give that person their medicine. Now they're just handing this off. So they're not washing their hands in between. And that's how you, that's my understanding of how you end up getting seated. And that's when my father, that end up getting seated. So he couldn't, so you know, he lost his ability to walk. And so that was trauma, right? Because we like, oh my god, you know, you can make it. I'm trying to talk to him every day. You can make it. We're going to be okay. Everything's going to be fine. And I'm trying to go see him. And they act like we were bonding and Clyde. Like I was a he was b they wouldn't let me go see him initially. And you know, and I wanted to see him because I didn't know how his his his health was, uh, if he was his health was fairly. And they wouldn't let me go see him for the longest. Then finally,

the judge, Cosgrove did a she did something where I could see him. So I was able to go see him. But he just, he, my father was a fighter. But I think he got so distraught. So, you know, destroyed with the system that he just was like, I'm a exit. I believe this world. Because he never came home. He died in a pit of tetry. And it's like, it's like when I was able to see him, he was in the hospital. He had to go to the hospital, right? And in Ohio, the hospital is in Columbus or it was at that time. And I, I feel like no matter where you were in prison at if you're in the state of Ohio, I feel like they, they, they just did you two Columbus to Ohio, Ohio State University has, it's a hospital there.

If I'm correct, it's been some years now. When we went down there, I believe it was, uh, it was at body university. So it's like way up high. It's like on the top floor where all the prisoners go. That's where they, they send them like on the 17th floor or something. I don't know. It was up there. Anyway, I remember when I was able to see him a few times. And he was shackled to the bed. They had his legs shackled to the bed. They had his arm shackled to the bed. By this point, he's not talking. He's had several strokes. I mean, he was on dialysis. They put him on dialysis. And my fake was all of this for education. All of this was because I had sent my daughters to the school for a public education. It wasn't even, it wasn't even like, like I'm, like it was some private school. It was a public education. And so, you know, when I talk about it and I go back on it, and I remember everything,

it just, I'm so, I do apologize. It just brings up all the, What's incredible is extraordinary lengths at the school district and the school officials and then the, the prosecutors that judge went to be punitive, viewing your dad to like make you pay a price because you wanted to get your kids a better education. It's not even like your parents aren't paying, paying taxes. They pay taxes. It's, it's such, you know, we talk all the time about government overreach on the show. But I mean, in this case, it was really punitive and it had real world impact, a terrible impact on you and your family. To help. I was just going to say to me, it was like overzealous prosecution, you know, we ended up losing our home or house, you know, I live in an apartment now, got my mom with me because of course, that can't be provided for anything because he's dead. So it's just, you know, it was just overzealous prosecution, you know, it's just a lie. Oh, yeah. So your story did catch for good reason, kind of got some

worldwide attention and how did that happen? You know, the best thing I could think of at the time was I had, it's a funny story that you asked me that. I had an auntie who lived in Georgia and she knew what kind of person I was and she was like, no, no, you're not a criminal. And at that time, oh my god, what is, okay, so I got to tell you the story. You want to know how it caught attention. It was my aunt who did this. This is amazing. What is that called? What does that feed when you watch the national news and it's a feed down at the bottom? What is that called? Like a crawl along the bottom? Yeah, but you sometimes you see it with the stocks and bonds and stuff too, right? Okay, so back then, so back then, what she did was, and she tells the story where she stayed up. She said, I stayed up for like two or three days. Literally, she did not go to sleep. She said, I just was drinking coffee. She said, I'm gonna find out how to put the story in that feed.

I was like, you know, I didn't know. Okay, so they weren't, I was in jail when I was sat in it, right? I was in jail. So I didn't know what was taking place. This is the story she told me once we got out and settled. She says, she says, I stayed up. I stayed up for three days. She's out. I was drinking coffee. She said, my husband thought I was gonna just die because she said, this is not gonna happen to my niece. She found out how to attach it to the feed and she put it and she worded it. Mother and jail, mother faces jail felony charges, you know, for public education, for sending her kids to her parents. And she said, she said literally, when she put it in there, she said literally, she watched it go through and she said, next thing you know, everybody just started talking about it. It went and it did. It was on, it was on every, I got, when I got home, it didn't die down. Yeah, actually, because I remember

some TV show talk show was talking about it. And I'm in another room. I met my parents' house, but I'm in another room. And I hear somebody like you can hear the scream, right? And when I went to the living room to see it was me. It was me that was screaming on the TV because it was me welling going off to jail. Oh, and I, and I just sat there and I was like, oh my god. That had to be surreal. It was, it was. I was, I just, at certain points, you know, I just won't ever forget. Now, I mind you, this has been a while now. It's been since 2011, 2012. So it's been a long time, but there are certain things that I will never forget. And definitely, you know, seeing that or seeing the news or seeing night, it was on, it was on 2020. It was on nightline. It was on Dr. Phil. I was on Dr. Phil. I went on Dr. Phil. I went on the talk. Yeah,

I went on the talk. I was with Julie Chen. Yeah, Julie Chen. She interviewed me. She was wonderful. I am saying her name correctly. I think she was wonderful. It was on the talk. We'll be Goldberg. The gentleman's wife, she talked about me all the time. The gentleman, he just passed. He was a rock star. His wife, she's from, she has to access. She's from London. She always consistent. But she always talked about me like, I mean, like they did this for like a whole entire week or two. I think they just kept talking about it. And I think that pushed it out even more to the mass, you know, to people. So you asked, I mean, it's such a story of, it's such a story of injustice. You know, incredible government overreach. It's kind of ones malicious prosecution. It's terrible. So, it has it, has it really, so I know you've shared this with lawmakers. And, you know,

have you seen anything change in Ohio due to conversations you've had and the story that you've been able to tell? You know, I haven't, I know that we always talk about laws and I see things on the table. But to actually have something change here. Well, it's always a discussion. I feel like here, like I was papers and they're talking about certain things. And, you know, they say, well, you know, that's unconstitutional. And they'll talk about that. And they'll elaborate about how the system is made here. But if you're asking me have I actually seen anything change, I want to say overall, no, but I know this definitely on the table. And it's always discussion. They're always talking about it. But I have been able to change in like Connecticut, you know, that law changed there. I've been able to speak about it all across the country. I've done work with the bush with with jet bush or more than one occasion. You know, because he he does a lot of educational, you know, events. And so, you know, on a national level,

yes, but just locally, I don't know. Not yet. I'm working on it though. Yeah, no, I think there's opportunity. There is. It just goes to show. I mean, you know, the idea that children should be stuck in failing schools at the prime of their life for, I mean, they need good education. You know, it's not like, oh, we'll come in 10 years. Well, those kids get left behind. And the fact that you were trying to just catch your kids, the best education possible. And you had you know, their grandparents who could do it. And then you were just sent to jail and prosecuted. And you know, what happened? Your dad, it's just such a tragedy. And I'm glad that you're able to, you know, be pass this and you can tell the story and hopefully have it. Hopefully, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't happen to others. But, you know, so often government doesn't work for us, work for its citizens. It's it's working its own interests. And failing schools and trapping kids

in them is one of the biggest, most, I think one of the most pernicious ways that it does that. So I applaud you for trying to champion, you know, your girls. I'm so I don't know people, it wasn't like I used, I don't know, McDonald's address or Taco Bell's address is my parents' address. Right. Well, it seems even the system's wrong. The fact that somebody could, you know, the whole idea, even if you're, we're using a, you know, fake address. I mean, yeah, I get it in violet a lot at the time. But why are we trapping everybody like this? It's just, it's just, yeah. Well, Kelly, I really appreciate you sharing the story with us. It's the great reminder of a mother's love for kids and the need for choice and education. And then just the, the really dangerous power that government and, you know, motivated prosecutors can have to, to really, really damage group of lives. Yes. Yes. Losing your home, losing my father, you know,

you know, I was very private person. Next thing you know, you know, everybody knows I'm walking, and then the irony, you know, working education. So I'm walking the halls and if people are, you know, talking about me and kids are talking to your students are talking about me and, and you're seeing me in the magazines and they're seeing me on paper and they're seeing me in real life. And, you know, one day I'm, some of the people are doing documentaries on me. I don't even know about it. I'm sitting in a classroom. I'm helping a student and she says, boy, that, that woman really favors you. And I'm like, I didn't even look up because why would I think I'm in a documentary? So I'm like, oh, okay, you know, keep doing your assignment. She said, no, she really looks like you. And I look up and like, that's me. Like, wow, I'm in a classroom. You know, people are doing documentaries and I'm like, great, you know, because they're seeing me, you know, maybe go to jail, have sitting in a classroom and they see me in white and black or so. I don't know. It was just, it was just a very interesting time, a depressing time to, you know,

yeah. Well, I'm so sorry. You went through all that. Really am. And I appreciate you using your voice to kind of highlight problems in the system and trying to make it better. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. Thanks, Kelly. Well, folks, if you like this episode and would like to stay connected with the podcast, be sure to like and subscribe to our channel as well as following us on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. And always remember, Liberty and Freedom are easily taking you in. Don't take it for granted. Go out there and defend Freedom and Liberty. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you on the next episode. Thank you for listening to American Potential. You may listen to more stories from Americans working every day to expand Freedom and Opportunity and their communities by visiting Americanpotential.com.

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