Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 3/30/26--Weekend Recap

0:00This is the Jason Beam horse racing podcast brought to you by Twin Spires. Here's your host, Jason Beam. I round him a good Monday morning you all welcome in to the Jason Beam horse racing podcast brought to you by Twin Spires a Monday March 30th edition of the show last couple days of the third month of the year and then we're in April and then May and then Derby and then my birthday and precness and all the fun stuff happens. I love May. Do most people like their birthday month more than most months? I feel like that's kind of I do think it's annoying when people say my birthday month because you get you get 24 hours really you get like 12 because everybody's asleep the first part and you go you know you're going to bed at the second part. So yeah 46 for me this year it's not the most eventful birthday in the world anyways.

1:05But good to be with you here maybe just a few minutes late publishing the show because today was Florida Cup Day. We celebrated the Florida bread with some steaks races and I feel like the horse that will be most talked about out of this day was the final race winner that made a special wait for the three-year-old Phillies. It was a on paper looked like a pretty good group a lot of like big name barns. There was I think a couple of chads. There was a Riley Mott, a Tom Proctor, a Shugmagehi, a Miguel Camel, another Shugmagehi, a Peter Waslik, but Parfois who had raced in France and I got a text from the great Sarah Abadwi after the race and she said she said oh you got to watch this horse's debut at lay oh shit now I forget what it's called like le boosted it let's test it a bush. I think it's the name of the track.

2:07The horse won but was de cute so I'm excited to go look up the replay because now they had a fast pace to run into with this horse Parfois they went 21 and chain I don't know how accurate that is I don't know that they slowed it down to 25 second quarter they were definitely moving though and sometimes out of the straightaway you do get those faster opening fractions because they're running straighter instead of bending into the stretch but this horse Parfois kind of settled down in the middle stages toward the back but it was traveling well and man just really really big turn of foot on the far turn and I kind of made it sound like she was a winner on the far turn which I was right but when she went nine wide into the stretch which the chart says nine wide as well and I know

3:09the chart color doesn't listen to my calls there was part of it was like oh god and then you can just see that she was gobbled up around one by six and a quarter last eight and eleven and three and was was pretty damn impressive I just pulled up the replay so you can find this replay on to inspires it's under the France track La Tiste de Bush it's a mile on the good software I'm gonna watch this and then come back to the show so hold tight it won't take the you know it'll be two seconds in your world it'll be two minutes in my okay so I watched the replay so Parfois turns for home it's a seven horse field maiden event and she's last and in front of her a horse like jets out and basically gets eased and so they're last with 400 meters to go after having to dodge this like early traffic and then she comes to the inside and as she comes inside of this horse immediately kind of lugs out forces

4:09a horse out into another horse who then clips heels and unseats the rider so I'm guessing that's where the DQ came from and that she just completely mose down these leaders who were like three lengths in front of her and accelerates real nicely and she was a little erratic here at Tampa but she was she was pretty pretty damn good so worth worth checking out if you want to watch a replay Parfois Dave Greening even tweeted that he's like if you you should probably watch this 11th race tip might hear something from that horse so not technically a debut and I honestly not technically the horses first win because the horse had finished first in that last start but DQ DQ in Europe doesn't that usually mean like he got a really foul some stuff up because don't think go by the category one rules I think that's I think that's the case but um yeah it was a fun day Damon's mound one who I love Damon's mound he's just kind of a cool horse and it it bumped him up over a million dollars in career earnings which I thought was very very neat so I was happy for those connections I know Michelle Lovell had the horse for a long time

5:11and then Bill Mott took over the training and and that was it a lot of obviously lots to talk about right there's there's Gulfstream there's Oakland the TVG Fandall thing I'm gonna wait till tomorrow or Wednesday to talk about because I feel like that's like half a show or more I mean I could talk about it for an hour I think there's a lot of thoughts there's a lot of looking back there's a lot of looking forward and there's a lot of processing I felt like it was not yeah I'm just I'm gonna wait till it till the next day and we'll talk about it more because um it's a big story uh in our industry I don't know that it'll be a big story in the sports gambling world but for for racing it's a big story it's it's obviously sad for a lot of people it's it's possibly an opportunity for new things to come up but we'll talk about all that more I will say I went on Thursday night after we did the show Wednesday 4 Thursday Thursday's kind of my day off

6:12and I try to check out a horse racing for 24 hours and I went with some friends to the uh what with my neighbor and his wife and then one of my friends to the um lightning game because we were giving Mrs. Thayer's tickets and Mrs. Thayer's tickets are great like they come with the food and they're drinking you're in a comfy chair it's awesome if Mrs. Thayer's tickets are ever offered to me which I usually get a probably two three times a year I take them and they were against my hometown Seattle Kraken and so we watched the game went to overtime and the Kraken one but that wasn't the story for me at the night driving home they had the on ramp closed to the normal way that I would come home because I my friend met me at the international mall so we took one car because I had a parking pass and then I so I dropped them off and then I started heading over the bridge to the Courtney Campbell Causeway which is how I normally go home you basically drive on the bridge over Tampa Bay straight to Clearwater and I only live two minutes off of that road so like once I'm on that road it's like one turn even though it's a 20 mile trip but they had the on ramp closed

7:14so I was like oh and then the directions told me to go the other way which is there's another bridge that goes over to St. Petersburg so I took that and as I get off there I'm on to I did Olmerton Road I think it's Olmerton Road but it's one of those kind of main east west roads going down from Clearwater to St. Pete and it's like a main a main artery kind of road but it's you know 45 miles an hour three lanes on each side big big wide open Florida Road so as I'm driving going west I you know these little motorcycles they come in and out a lot you see these guys that they ride kind of crazy and kind of dangerously and they they zig and zag through traffic and when there is a lot of traffic they'll ride right on the line and go between cars and it always feels very unsafe and it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people drive really irresponsibly anyways because it's just like you're usually not making up much if any time because you're just going to run into a stoplight that's going to put you right but you know you might make up one

8:15car like big deal this guy comes ziggin and zag and he goes by me on my front end and I have dash cameras on the front in the back now because I don't trust a lot of drivers and I think Florida is a no fault state so you can't do so anyways he zigs and zags past me misses me by three inches misses the next car by three inches and then he's gone right because it's kind of oddly enough because of the road closure that he was kind of a lot of traffic even though it's 1030 at night and it's like I said it's kind of a main road so I get up to the next stoplight which is almost in a belcher and I used to belcher was where I lived my first year here in Florida and it's like the light turns green but nobody's nobody's moving and I'm like what's going on and you know I kind of honk at the guy and everybody else starts honking and everybody's mad nobody's moving so finally I see traffic to the right moving to turn right so I said I'm just going to do that and go around like I don't know why we're not moving so I get up to the intersection and

9:15that motorcycle is cut in half and in the front half I don't know where it was that I only saw the back half I did see the kid walking towards the curb with some assistance from somebody else and he had hit the front end of a van that was in the turn lane so I don't know if he ran the light or what because I again he had by that point he had gone by me 30 seconds or so but man it was scary when I saw that bike and I was like oh there's only half of that bike there and like I said he was walking he had a helmet on so that was good but it was just it was scary and it kind of made me a little pissed because I'm like dude like stop riding like that because he he obviously you know hit somebody else and possibly injured them or they hit him I mean who but I feel like when you're riding dangerous that you put yourself in position to get hit like that and I had a friend get killed by a motorcycle a long time ago and or on a motorcycle by a car because they didn't see him and so it's it was scary though holy moly when I drove by I was like oh my god

10:15and yeah so that was that was that was my weekend other than that I just worked and went to a backyard concert at the friend of a friend's house on Saturday it was so much fun and a blast that was that a good weekend but let's talk some racing oh god bafford left cow there's is going to o'clock and Kentucky too we got to talk about that at some point this week but we got to talk golf stream and we got to talk o'clock and we'll talk golf stream first I feel like on big days when there's two big tracks I usually default to one because you know we're running a Tampa so I got I got to work and I try to flip through it did catch the o'clock mile live but I had to catch the Arkansas Derby I know I watched that live too never mind what am I I just didn't get to watch any of the undercard races from oakland golf stream I watched them all and the curlin florida derby the 14th and final race of the day at golf stream park a little bit bummed it scratched down so much but the three that scratched out of it were all kind of long shots redlin rebels I think was a major pace player in the race and so it certainly changed a little bit from that dynamic I saw

11:23few tweets about nearly being lone speed after the scratches and Wayne's law had been on the lead in the same Davis and so I guess I was kind of assuming well he's going to go up there too and he did end up making the lead and and nearly sat second the interesting thing was the bedding nearly was like smashed early and obviously the odds trickled up a little bit he ended up going off at seven to five and of course the scratches kind of you know mess with the morning line a little bit because you know you take out some horses that are you know somewhat somewhat contenders that that they they would take money even though they're they're long shots they would they would take money and nearly was the third choice I believe chief wallaby was installed the morning that favorite commandment was second and nearly was third they were all established pretty close together as it turned out it was kind of inverse of that nearly was the favorite commandment was second and chief wallaby was your your third choice but just a two to one the Puma went off at eight to one or seven ninety to one and then those two big bombs so the big four were still the big four and the race

12:26finished with the big four as the big four to Wayne's laws credit like he at least was within shouting distance of nearly and and chief wallaby he's just not as good as the best of this this group but commandment wins in a nose photo that watching live I swore the Puma run one I watched this race I had just gotten home from Tampa and I was heading out to that outdoor concert and I watched it in my driveway and I watched on on Twin Spires I saw the race live and I said oh nice the Puma one and I was going to put in reverse I was like let me wait and watch the replay and I saw oh god commandment got all of the head bob all of it and to me that was kind of what made the difference in the race look I was selfishly rooting for the Puma I love when horses from Tampa farewell in these these big derby preps and the Puma we had Romero on last week and kind of

13:27talked about the horse I thought for him it was a big proving ground in terms of that Tampa may derby had a little bit of mystery to it because of the way the track played I know the figure was assigned 95 and then it was kind of taken back but I I could kind of tell the three it's possible okay the Puma's running so I was glad that but I really thought he was going to flatten out because nearly I thought said a very good trip I he didn't get the lead but it's it's kind of hard to complain about a first over run and I saw a lot of people complaining about it or at least saying it was a bad ride and man maybe I would love to hear thoughts on that because I just didn't see this that I saw Johnny put the horse in a good spot gave the horse a big chance to win and he didn't win you know and I think to me that makes me kind of discredit nearly certainly more than the ride just because again I thought he had I mean they weren't going fast

14:32they went 24 and 1 for the opening quarter mile 48.8 for the opening half like it's Gulfstream Park you know these horses that's not exactly a famously slow surface and I know they had some rain Sunday but they didn't have any on on Saturday the move I like was the Puma Castellano committed to that outside draw chief Wallaby I guess you could maybe argue had a bit of the trip of the race in terms of not great but I liked that the Puma he just put him out in the clear and he was going to win or lose with that horse nearly makes the front around the far turn and the Puma was kind of right to his attack and there's a moment at the quarter pole where right before the corn port the Puma Castellano starts riding Johnny V looks over because Johnny V kind of got comfortable there for a second and then when they turned for home the Puma had the momentum he gave the Puma the big call off the turn and right when he said that it kind of looked as though the six nearly was going to kick back well then the Puma makes the lead chief Wallaby kind of tries to come out I thought chief Wallaby had better momentum than

15:34commandment for a second but then commandment was just more slow and steady and and grind away those two horses are obviously very close in ability um I mean all three of these ones are as terms of the close fish but the fact chief Wallaby and commandment now have been you know very very close to the couple starts and kind of similar running styles and look it's a it's a bit of a stranger race because of the smaller field and because of the lack of pace it is not going to be a six horse field and a 48 and four pace in four weeks or five weeks or however far away we are from the Kentucky Derby five you know it's not it's not going to be there will be pace there will be more than six horses so it's going to be a different kind of race I do love how commandment looked in those later stages and if you're a Puma fan yes he covered a lot of ground he's an ultra game racehorse but you know commandment was getting to him right I mean they did gallop out kind of together but I don't know I'm not the biggest gallop out subscriber in the world

16:34so but the Puma was clearly in for a fight he ran great I thought this top three all ran great I thought this was a very very important prep I think it'll be a prep where those top three horses will be top six or seven choices in the race I mean commandment's going to be probably what second or third of me obviously the the big scratch Paladin I guess he's not a scratch but he's just not on the trail anymore because of an injury but it will get to renegade but there are not I don't think too many horses that are going to be that far ahead of commandment in the betting odds I do think the Puma will be higher odds than commandment even though there's a nose photo separating him I just think that that he will be and I think Chief Wallaby will get plenty of respect and probably be a little higher than I mean I'm watching the replay right now commandment just got all the head Bob the Puma was back in front a nose after the wire and before it's a sick beat but I think the connections you look I mean the difference between winning the Florida Derby and running second is four hundred and fifteen thousand dollars so it's not like it's just like

17:39oh darn he ran well though like it's four hundred grand and so I'm and it's a great one win right it's a huge huge feather in their cap for a lot of reasons so I'm sure it's a sick beat for them but in the Derby grand scheme of things they got to be pretty happy right I mean it's a it's a very fine effort it reinforces that his Tampa Derby win was was not a fluke or not weird because he beat some good horses that day and I and I heard Kent let us no longer on the trail as well going to be out to the fault I read but I think for the top three they all got to feel really good I think nearly's got to be the one out of this group that is is questioning things because I thought kind of a no excuse trip in the Florida Derby but it was it was a fun heat it was a good race I thought it was I think the buyer came back a hundred for the top two which means for chief Wallaby it ain't much smaller maybe a ninety nine and nearly obviously still a pretty decent effort so I really do think this cements those top three is three of the top five or six choices

18:45renegade obviously is renegade is probably your favorite right now but there's some big prep still to come next weekend and so no one to get too ahead of things in terms of in terms of that but yeah command it very very impressive for Bradcock and Wathen racing they were they were running a few over Tampa on the weekend I said their name in the post parade a couple of times in the Pan American stakes far bridge the the big favorite getting up in the final jumps over corruption the marker Cassie trainee and who led the entire way until the last couple of jumps at far bridge just a classy veteran marathoner getting it done at the age of six still still doing it the sands brings it was sweet Rebecca the favorite who I thought got a nice ride from gaffley owned getting through down along the inside to just beat hang the moon who finished in second Maggie goes third the Gulf Stream Park oaks I thought a nice effort here for the winter prom queen this I was very kind of excited to see this particular race she be smooth I thought a

19:49little bit vulnerable was last early on and again 48.52 for the mile and a 16 just not that fast to pace they did run kind of a quick third quarter and sometimes that can be that something that spills doom for the horses up front but honestly the horses that were up front stay there and they kind of ended up being a bit of a strung out group is prom queen one nicely over my mismo and she be smooth having to settle for a for third the orchid sultana 18 to one rallying from off the pace the score pretty big upset there for the cabinet tired barn what was the other one oh grande that grande was one to nine and had to very much work for to beat capital idea in the the ghost sapper steaks ended up going in front running fashion and again went very very slow up front but had to had to put in some work at one to nine that's a that's a bit of a tough thing to take one of the sicker beats I saw during the day if you were a favorite player was the

20:50three to five tal bingo in the sixth race the all out optional clamor were x y prime who's a horse that runs over a tampa and doesn't even run that great a tampa is fine but made the lead early for Jorge Ruiz and was able to just hold off tal bingo who got going very very late to to score an upset at 31 to one over the three to five shot as yeah x x y prime and then Quattro Cento who won our one of our turf steaks at tampa went gate to wire in winning the Appleton steaks Julian Leparou for Fausto Gutierrez so good for them for scoring a very very nice win at Gulfstream on their their big Saturday so the the championship meat is over now right like now where it's just regular it's just regular Gulfstream park I know they have a name for some of these other meats is it there's the ten palms meat but I thought that was more like the oh it's the royal palm meat so the royal palm meat starts on Thursday and then what it maybe it's just

21:52royal palm meats the entire rest rest of the meat I also forget Gulfstream's website kind of drives me crazy like I wish there was a just a year long calendar or however far they've you know assured assured things but I like off for the life of me I can never find there's just too much going on there I have some gripe we should do a whole episode about rating and reviewing racetrack websites would that be would that be good podcast probably not you probably need the visual standpoint but we could we could certainly do that let's take quick time out we come back we'll head over to Oclon Arkansas Derby big day over in there or 73,000 was the elisted attendance exactly 73,000 I love giving Oclon crap about their 10 numbers because I don't believe him be a because it's a brown number so I know they're just kind of guessing but it did everybody said it was more crowded than normal so they they they they did 73,000 so I'm thrilled for them I was watching a documentary

22:54on Vince McMahon the wrestling guy from WWF and they were talking about WrestleMania three because it famously had the biggest attendance of an indoor event of all time 93,000 and like all these experts like there was like 75,000 people but I'm like they you know but wrestling like if you're six foot two they say you're six foot five it's called build height even though your actual height is not that I wonder if there's build attendance versus actual attendance maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm wrong I don't want to piss off Oclon fans but it's it's been my long held theory that the the numbers are a little juiced when it comes to the the the on track guess for that kind of stuff let's take a quick time out we come back we'll talk some Oclon park it's a great track I love Oclon go if you can we'll be right back after short time out it's the Jason Beam horse racing podcast brought to you by TwinSpire there was a time not long ago you had to get into your car drive down to your local racetrack walk a mile in the parking lot pay admission go up the escalator

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24:58like I was not prepared for Keenland opening we will talk some Keenland this week we'll talk some oak on this week we got two great guests penciled in both both repeat guests one's been on like five or six times probably and the other will be a second visit well I'm very excited for both of them it should be a it should be a lot of fun very much looking forward to that but yeah turfway park season in the books we we love our friends up at in Florence y'all if you've never had a chance to I shouldn't say I technically haven't had a chance to go to turfway because I haven't been to the I haven't been to the new turfway I've only been to the old turfway but I have been to oak lawn which I haven't been oak lawn since the hotel's there so maybe I haven't been to new oak lawn either but I feel like the grandstand and racing part is still safe I didn't think one of the coolest parts of oak lawn when you pull into town on Central Ave the track is just right on the main street it's called Central Ave but like all the little restaurants around had like signs like welcome race failed like the whole town really gets into it it's a very cool thing so the the

26:00the big race the what is it now they it's worth more than a million right the arcs under yeah a million a half they they give away now for the big race there so much so much slot machine money burning through the the windows there well they handle they handle 23 million on the day for 14 races on track did 2.4 million it seems that they always tend to do right about 35 bucks per person you know on track handle a lot of people obviously bet on their phones so that's that's a thing but yeah so anyways but a big day for them and obviously the Arkansas Derby the the big headliner and renegade set off as your even money favorite here your second choice silent tactic obviously coming off a very good effort last time out at oak lawn park tap tastic who was the maiden winner took some money was 12 to 1 and we'll talk more about him in a second blackout time was a 4 to 1 92 I guess lipis test 92 a little bit soft at the windows for

27:01it feels like the the bafford clan in general is is just not that strong this year with the three olds I say that and he'll he'll run off probably win but I don't think he has any of the top 10 kind of rated three year olds at this point does he I know he doesn't on the DRF ratings but that's that's that's simply Marcus Hirsch's opinion but we'll talk about Marcus tomorrow with the TVG stuff as well the internet's a wonderful place but anyway so renegade scores and scores impressively I watch this race I didn't get to hear the call I was I was at the outdoor concert I was watching it on my phone and so I just got to listen back before here when I was watching the replay and I'm at did a great job of course but Redland rebels Alex to go here into this spot I'm assuming thinking it was the softer spot and maybe thinking it was the softer pace spot and in their defense they got the lead kind of as you think they don't have wanted to it just wasn't able to hold it once things got a little bit more serious but I thought a few interesting points in this

28:06race first of all renegade he was second last and you can tell I read wanted to get him a little bit closer down the back stretch I don't know if he thought they were going slow 47 and four is not I mean it's kind of average right for this level in this distance but he kind of got shut off there I think it was by tapped I think it was more than he was just going to run into tap task if he kept going in between horses so all of a sudden he gets shuffled back to last and at the same time silent tactic was kind of traveling pretty well and silent tactic got first run he got the first move renegade followed him and renegade just flat out not only outkicked him but really outkicked him late they were too clear of taptastic who also had some trouble in the home stretch I don't know if trouble was just kind of tight and whatever but I think taptastic might be a real serious racehorse he might be one that when they come back around the precness or Belmont or something like that has something to say because I think he's he's quite interesting given the performance

29:07in just his second career race because silent tactic is a nice horse and renegades obviously a very nice horse but to run third to them your second career start no shame no shame at all and I mean silent tactic obviously had a little more seasoning than renegade but not by much but silent tactics very useful and very good and when he gets the setup on his best day against the right competition probably going to be a very very winning three-year-old is he a Kentucky Derby contender I mean he's going to be in the race you would think I would venture a guess he's a 20 or 30 to one morning line horse and and will be probably your 11 12 13th choice or whatever but you probably do worse than him he seems to show up every time he's got a late kick you know the Derby is going to be so different than a lot of these preps just strictly because of the pace and because of the numbers and the trip you're going to need but yeah I feel like he's he's going to end up being a wise guy horse for some people shit I might be here in four weeks telling you you

30:11know I'm thinking about here to 20 to one's old silent tactic so I'm not married to anybody the Derby and I what we were doing our Tampa rent does her pre use before the race and she had mentioned Renegade and she's like as of now that's my Derby pick and I was like well you don't have to make a Derby pick that's of now but I know she bet but Renegade was sensational and you know for us at Tampa we were obviously very excited it's been a big couple weeks for horses that prepped at Tampa between the Puma running back so well Renegade winning emerging market winning the Louisiana Derby after his big main effort at Tampa it's been it's been a good week for us in terms of our Derby prep season who knows maybe if Renegade goes and wins the Kentucky Derby maybe the Sam F Davis will once again be a great in stakes race like it was what I got there and then they took it away because I got here but there's been some good horses obviously to win it over the years but right now Renegade looks like certainly one of the better ones and

31:12I mean it's really hard to not like what you see from this horse that the first start back the Sam F Davis I thought was almost a little bit more impressive than he might have gotten credit for it was a three and a half length win but you know he was kind of in the fight there in mid stretch and the Puma had a little bit of trouble but he was really leveling out and maybe that is his you know real benefit quality thing is that he can really kick late in these races because the Sam F Davis it wasn't that it was in question the last 16th but it wasn't a decisive win and then all of a sudden it was and then this one kind of the same thing turn it for home it's like oh he he might be able to grind the way and then he's blows their doors off late and and wins nicely the lows low on a low and Robert Lowe and Ripoli are the owners I would guess they alternate silks because the purple they had the lows purple and green on this time so I'm sure Ripoli will get the silks next time because he had them in the Sam F Davis that's one of the things I don't

32:17love about partnerships is is like I like a horse to have one uniform it'd be identified by it I feel like Sierra Leone and some of these others in recent years we know we've seen them where they switch around all the time and I realized it's a majorly tiny nitpicky dumb thing to even worry about but I do like when they run in the the same silks each time but I would think he'll be in the the Rapoli's just because I'm guessing that they're probably going either or so for renegade if they're with the Rapoli's in the Derby and he wins and they come back probably where the lows in the precness and then you know obviously if they win that the big dance in in Belmont well is it in Saratoga again this year it isn't Saratoga this year again right yeah because Belmont doesn't open till till the fall so but yeah I mean I thought renegade was awesome I know I know it's not a I'm not adding a whole lot to the conversation because I feel like a lot of it's been said but I did think he was absolutely sensational in victory and if not the favorite who is because Paladin

33:22obviously is not there but again there's I don't think Pellamy Road was necessarily the Derby favorite before he went beat the wheels off of everybody in the the wooden memorial that year so who knows the Oklawn Mile one of the undercard features at Oklawn Park knew what's new sent off is the favorite which I guess he was he the morning line favorite he was the second choice full Serrano was the the morning line favorite and full Serrano broke terribly kind of had a bad stumble there and was last and ended up running a decent race actually I thought he used to have anew ran pretty well forced to come you know from off the pace which we've kind of learned is maybe not his most signature thing but he was gaining on knew what's new late and not he doesn't look like a horse that's got like a clothes to him or at least a strong one but I don't know I was a little encouraged by East Avenue in this race and I why I would assume his connections kind of war as well publisher and Eric Ass was invictorious in the American fair over and I'd have a publisher

34:24he's gotten good wasn't he the horse that like took a long time to break his maiden and now he's he's like a wind machine I forgot if that's hit there was a net or was that tis tastic I forget if it's tis tastic or if it's uh if it's publisher it's one of those two right am I am I am I am I am I am that wrong on this stuff first of all where's the past performance that oh it's the ninth race I'm I'm going back to the eighth on my my brisnet pp's here ninth race publisher am I right yeah yeah he he was he took forever to break the main he ran the Derby in the Arkansas Derby and everything else I said oh I don't or the Oklahoma Derby and finally they put him in for a maiden and he got beat ironically by knew what's new that's funny and then he breaks the maiden and now he's very good and uh Eric Ass was in having a very good Oklahoma on meat to be said I feel like the Ass was in boys get a lot of grief on Twitter and calls of nepotism and and all that but like I don't know when in 18% isn't that about what Steve is

35:27year after year is about 18% what is he at this meat probably probably better than that 17% and he starts so many horses I feel like you get an accurate you get an accurate gauge when you're talking about uh Mr. uh Mr. Asmison uh should mention that uh they on Friday ran the the fantasy stakes uh over at Oakland Park the uh Philly I do like that Oakland kind of does that a lot on their big days they don't necessarily stack everything they kind of give Friday its own centerpiece I like when these other races get to be centerpiece I've long said I much prefer when every weekend had one or two stakes races and there was a feature every week because with these mega cards yes they're exciting and I know that you know handle and all that's going to dictate it but like the actual storylines of these races they get so diminished because look when you run the Belmont stakes and the Met Mile you know it's kind of hard to remember the Woody Stevens or or whatever the the Ogden Thips or whatever the other you know kind of

36:31grade one undercard races are and you know I think it takes away a little bit from I know they're not going to change it because we don't change anything I guess they did change it that way so maybe maybe they do change things in horse racing but anyways in the fantasy it was counting stars for Francisco Arietta for the West Point group I saw Griffin Johnson posting social media is cheering so I I'm assuming maybe he's part of the the partnership on this horse but able to uh to get the victory over search party and and sticker shock I know a bunch of runners coming out of that March 1st race at Oklahoma is the top three finishers were and they were way away strong out counting stars kind of put them you know what the lead on the far turn there and took over from that 40 dawn shot and it was uh it was curtains they had a big effort for uh for that one so certainly jumping up in the Kentucky Oaks I feel like in the next week or two we should probably do like a real a real Oaks deep dive uh obviously we'll have a lot more answers with with zany and uh and others coming

37:31back uh explorers off the Oaks trail is that correct I feel like I read that this weekend there was a lot of news going on uh life of joy obviously a part of that bill palerina some good ones it doesn't feel like the divisions like that strong but maybe maybe zany still really good I feel like the sun coast was like I just was expecting more than I'm like was she still one and one nicely and put up a good speed figure so like why is why are we why are we so down I think sometimes when horses are you know undefeated or have been very good before we have this expectation that they're just gonna always do that first of all it's just a crazy expectation to think they're just gonna win every time right I mean expecting that is uh is asking quite a lot but um yeah anyways we will uh we will call it good there and we will be back tomorrow with great guests we're gonna talk keelin we're gonna talk oklon we're gonna talk old stories we might talk

38:32some sopranos there's your hint there's your hint on one of our guests uh because we always talk sopranos when this guest comes I suppose there's two guests that I always talk sopranos on or with when they're on and Travis is one of them and we had Travis on like two weeks ago so there's your your hint but we will be back tomorrow and wednesday and thursday as we do as we lead up to uh to april and our final big weekend of derby prep so uh that's all coming up here on the show this week appreciate you guys for tuning in we'll see you back tomorrow have a great rest of your Monday