Jags HQ | Boselli, Gladstone on Jaguars' Response & Prep for Week 4

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1:00With that, Game on. Jags HQ starts right now. I'd say people are pretty happy right now. After that dominant win, 35 to 6 over the New England Patriots last week, we welcome in the Jaguars Radio Network here for our coverage of Jags HQ. Brian Sexton along with Jeff Logamon. We are in the Hyundai Studios inside the Miller Electric Center, walking in the door right now is the executive vice president of football operations. And following him is the Jaguars General Manager, Tony Bisselli and James Gladstone. As they get settled in, we will tell you that Sunday's game is brought to you by Bud Light. Bud Light is the official beer of the Jacksonville Jaguars and the presenting sponsor of Sunday's game at Pecore Stadium in Cincinnati. Hi. What's up, boys? You're telling us? How's your day been so far? You know what? It was good. Good practice. Guys were out there flying around and very intentional with their preparation. So I think good work and our good work day tomorrow to get ready for the bangles,

2:04which will be a very big test. I feel like we last year missed an opportunity to go win a football game. And so I think our guys are hungry and I know we're excited to go test ourselves against a good football team. A team that's actually better than they were last year, especially on defense with what they've done in the Aussies. And so it's going to be a great test for us in a tough environment. Can't wait for it. And getting probably the hot one of the hottest quarterbacks than League 2 and Joe Burrow. He's watching that game. He's pretty good. He's pretty good football. Got some pretty good weapons on the outside there. Yeah, just, you know, yeah, a little above average. There's no question. Well, we'll have our hands full and look forward to sort of using the fuel of, you know, the result of last year in some ways is something to tap into. But nonetheless, I think it's Tony articulated. It's been a good couple of days here out out on the grass again and seeing our guys

3:04being intentional about their actions and put forth what our coaches are game plan. Former Jack West linebackers coach and former Bengals linebackers coach Mark Duffner said that he'd watched a lot of Joe Burrow. He was there with him for four years. And he thought that the way he played last week was maybe as good as he's playing, completed 75% of his passes. And there was the turnover at the end when he got hit. But you're getting a quarterback who's precisely hot. I mean, he's surgical. Yeah, at this point in time. And he's a guy who the game say he's completed 84% of his passes in the games that we've seen him. So it's, how do you, how do you pressure him? He's great against the blitz. He's got big offensive tackles. How do you get to a guy like that? It's, it's got to be a coordinated effort by the entire defense. You got to cover on the back end so he's forcing the hold it at extra click. And then you got to go win the 101 matchups up front. Because, you know, listen, camping does a great job of designing with our coaching staff, game plans, you know, for each of our opponents. And, and when to be aggressive, when to play coverage, I mean, all those different things.

4:06And camping will figure that out with, and as I go through the week and have a great plan, confident of that. But then the day you got to go win 101 matchups. And you got to, hey, listen, our corners are going to be tested. Our guys, those are two of the best receivers. Probably the best combo in the NFL. I didn't get it fair. And a guy in Jamar chase that, you know, you've just, it's only halfway done once he catches it. Because he's one of the best, if not the best run after catch-wide receiver in football. And you got to got like T Higgins, who's big, long, and great ball, skills, and just goes win, wins contested catches. So you look at our corners or secondary. It's a big test for those guys. I know our guys are excited for it. I think, you know, Jeff, you know, this is a player. There's always anxiety and nerves when you go against great players. But at the same time, you look forward the opportunity to go test yourself as well. So, but it's a group effort. That's the only way you can stop this. These guys, and ultimately, you also realize that Joe Burrow, Jamar chase, T Higgins, those guys are going to make place. They're very good what they do. And we just got to go try to make one more than they do.

5:08Yeah, we were just talking about how you're not going to stop Jamar chase. And T Higgins from having catches at all. It's just, it's not realistic. But you can be realistic about minimizing the damage that happens after they catch it. You know, with those two, especially with Jamar chase. No, man. You know, make a tackle after he catches the ball. Even though he looks like Gail Sayer after the catch. I mean, he's tremendous. Oh, he's big, lower body. That's right. Surprisingly large. I mean, a guy that's very muscular, kind of like Parker Washington. You know what? It's like Tony says, going to take a coordinated effort. And that's not just in keeping the ball out of their hands, but once it's in it. And the phase of the game that requires the attention of all 11 on the field, is getting guys to the ground. We've certainly done our part throughout the course of a few games here. And you got to make sure that that carries over. I think every game that you guys probably watched, there is something that you take away from and that you gain great satisfaction from. There's an organization, whether it's the coach, you Liam or Tony or you or James.

6:12This past game, what was the thing that you guys took as a great point of satisfaction in that game? I think it's been the case with a number of games that you look at and can clearly state. And this one's a response. And you know, it's not the first time that we felt like, you know, we let one get away. But we didn't let that taste just sit in our mouth for too long, bounce back in a way that was notable and showed some true colors. And now this week, it's a totally different state of mind in comparison where you're trying to respond the right way to a result that you would have wanted to see. So that's a totally different reshape and reframe as you approach this next week. But the work remains the same. The cadence remains the same. The intentionality has got to remain top tier. And you know, the way in which we close out the weeks important because a week you go today, we were at a spot where, you know, we were building and you could feel that home by Friday's end. It was notable.

7:13And guys were ready to rock at that point in time. And that's got to be the same way this week. Everyone listening wants to know is it? You feel that home? You know what? I think it's truly got to be built up through the course of the weeks. The end of the day tomorrow. Yeah, it's really is building. Yeah, that's too early. There's no doubt. You know, I think just echo what James said. I think for me, it's you don't really know who you are as a team to be face of adversity. And you know, losing a football game is really the first taste of that of how do you handle it? And I think the most exciting thing for me is the grit of the organization, the grit of our staff, grit of our players, the response just like James said, and how they approach the whole week, how we show up to the game. Because ultimately, none of us know the outcome. We don't know how it's going to go Sunday. We didn't know going into Sunday with the Patriots exactly what that outcome was going to be. But the one thing you can't control is your response.

8:13And how you show up and how you play the game of football. And I think one of the things that we want to be as an organization is that there's a certain standard of how we play weekend, week out. And if we don't meet that standard, that's the problem. If we hit the standard and the outcome doesn't go our way, that's the game of football. That's going to happen. And to see our guys approach it that way. And Liam does a great job and we've said this multiple times on the show. He does a great job of communicating very clearly, concisely, holding the standard, keeping people accountable. When I say people, it's not just our players, it's the entire building. It's a staff, it supports staff. It's all of us. Understanding that what we're trying to do takes attention. It takes, we have to live up to what we, the words we say, in the words we speak to it, each other. And to see guys do that. And you can really see, you feel it in the locker room, you feel it in the building that each individual taking that responsibility, being accountable to their self first and foremost,

9:14their teammates. And then wanting to go out there and put the right stuff on tape. Here I was thinking of the cell A would go offensively. They responded. That's too easy. That's too easy. But that's easy. I mean, I'm for it. Anytime you control the line of scrimmage, but I got to go on both sides. There was a huge test last week. It's just as big if not bigger this week. It was. You get two great interior defense alignment for the Patriots. We have another two very good, great interior defense alignment. Dexter Lawrence is playing like he did two years ago, which was the best one technique when you talk about three down player, because we're on hand pass. And he's back to that level. So it's another great test. But it's no different than any week. Is if you don't control the line of scrimmage, it's going to be hard to win football games. But when you can control the line of scrimmage like we did last week, and our offense line didn't announce any job across the board, our defensive line, stop in the run. It could not run the ball at all. Forced in the D1 dimensional. That is, that's how you win football games.

10:14This week we need to add the pass rush to it. Because you got one of the best quarterbacks in the football. So we need that dynamic as well. Joe Burrow is on fire. And the Jaguars hope to go put him out on Sunday with pressure on the quarterback. We'll take a break when we come back on Jags HQ. We'll talk a little bit about that running game. Improved by the addition of one player from the New York Giants. And we'll get Tony and James opinion of what the Jaguars need to do to run the ball efficiently and effectively. We're back after this on the Jaguars radio network. Welcome back Jags HQ. We continue right now. They can't get separation. We're on right along here with James Gladstone, the Jaguar General Manager. And Tony Bacelli, the Jaguar's executive vice president of football operations. Also, Jeff Logamon is here. They gave a tent pick in this year's draft. Yes. For Dexter Lawrence. Yep. And he's 65, 350 logs. You thought maybe hamburger or two about that? Yeah, I think he's a little above that.

11:14I don't know how much he weighs. I'll say this. When he walks down the hallway of any building, he takes up the entire hallway. Because he's filled a couple gaps on the. He is tall, big. His width of his body from shoulders down. It's like very, I don't know how many humans are built like that on planet Earth. One of the one of the other things they're alive. Devon Hamilton at 335 or Dexter Lawrence at 350. What do you think? There's no talent. The amazing thing. That's what they're roasted. I don't just say what they're listening to. When you log, you'll do this. You'll turn on the film and you'll see Dexter's crowding the line of scrims. Crowding the ball in a way that's unlike any other ballerous sport. It's fascinating. Really screaming. His presence is screaming before the ball is even snagged. It's unreal. It's unbelievable. His rear end almost covers two gaps by itself. It's impressive. It's amazing. It was a guard that played for the Atlanta Falcons back in the day who had the biggest rear end,

12:15maybe in history and football. And Dexter Lawrence's rear end rivals him. Oh my gosh. He's that. I can't remember the guy with the top. I can't see it. What's amazing, whatever adjective you want to use is his athletic ability. This is not just a big man who's going to play first and second down. He heated up. He has past rushability. He can get in the gap. They'll move into a three technique and sub protection. Let him rush the passer. He can catch the ball. He can, I mean, he is a. What? Oh, yeah. How do you nag it? Well, he did it in training camp. Oh, okay. Yeah, but he is a, he's a great athlete. And so he's a very, and so he, listen. He plays teams every week. You got to account for individual. We talk about the offense. You got to obviously account for Joe Burrow. You got to account for tomorrow chase to Higgins. On their defense, you have to account for Dexter Lawrence. Because he's a guy who can wreck a game if you don't. I think that's a pretty good trade. Tenth overall pick for a Dexter Lawrence. What do you think?

13:16It seems like it's helping him win football. If you win games, it's worth it. So there were any offense last year. Was it dead last 165 yards of game? I think it was second to last, wasn't it? Wasn't New York Giants last or there? They were 165. If the Giants were worse than that, then they can have it. Yeah, I mean, they were right there in the bottom. Which Giants were worse than that with Dexter Lawrence. What are the Bengals doing? They're only giving up 95 per game. So they're like 60% better with a guy that was a part of a bad run. I think that's what that speaks to. Brian, is you look at certain organizations? They go through periods of change and turmoil where there's not alignment and there's no continuity across the whole thing. And I think there's different levels of play. And then when that happens, when that happens, it can affect everybody all the way down to what happens in the field. It just is. It's human nature. It happens. The numbers say it is. And we've all seen it across the league. And I think, listen, it was made no secret. Dexter wanted to get out of there. He wanted to leave.

14:16He wanted to be paid. He wanted to be taken to a different organization. And you see it in his play. Like, there's a rebirth. He's playing at an extremely high level. And that can happen to guys. You're in a tough situation. Coaches get fired. You know, the will to go out there. I mean, football is a tough sport. And but Dexter's playing. Dexter Lawrence football like he's all pro. The thing that also I think can be easy to overlook in the conversation related to his presence is what it does for those around. That's exactly right. You know, obviously him in isolation is good. But the play of those linebackers behind him has improved. And it's a result of the guys up front and the improvements that have been made there across their roster. And you see an entirely different demeanor of this bangles defense than not only who we played this time last year roughly, but also who they were over the back stretch of the season. And it's a tough outfit. It's not going to be anything but a challenge.

15:17And we look forward to seeing that. It's amazing. Linebackers get really a lot better when you can't get to them. They're running free. It's a simple game. And there's a can't reach you. I can't block you. Ray Lewis is one of the greatest linebackers ever. I mean, Hall Famer. They're ready for your goose and Sam Adams. When they have the best defense, everyone says, man, Ray Lewis is so tough. I'm like, we don't even know how tough he is because we can't get to him because you don't see your person in Sam Adams. And I try to get these huge you and be two big guys. And then you have a lead player like Ray Lewis who can run free. It's like, oh my gosh. Now these guys aren't Ray Lewis. But they're good football players. And now you give them free access to run around and make plays. Man, that defense gets better. That's because of Dexter Lawrence. Where is like Dexter Lawrence on the on the pay scale? Like amongst defensive tackles in the National Football League. 26 right now. I think 26 million a year. I think so. I think Vita just got North of him at 30. Vita Vaya at 30.

16:18That's top top of the food chain. If I'm just going nose tackles, then it's different than I do. Because the card. Yeah, never about 35. But so you consider Dexter Lawrence a nose tackle. Yeah, but he would be considered a three down nose tackle, which is very rare. Yeah, I mean, who else is a three down nose tackle? Vita Vaya. Nobody else, right? It's very rare. Yeah, I think that's the right one. What's the top? Whether or not you classify Kobe Turner as a three down nose tackle or defensive tackles and interesting conversation. Those types of things. What's the top of the food chain now in the National Football League as a three technique defensive tackle pay scale? Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter. And was he at 38? 38. 38 million. And who's two? It would be Jeff Simmons. Yeah, Simmons is. We just signed the Jefferson's Tennessee Titans. I think Quinter couldn't wait. He's up there, too. There's a tear above everyone. They all got done here at the beginning. Yeah, just recently. And that's in the 30s. Mid 30s. Yeah, 35 to 38.

17:19In the right. Yeah, that is. The guys that we saw last week, Milton Williams and Barmore, like 22 to 26. Right now, Milton's coming off as a bargain a little bit. Yeah. They signed him last year. They got a good deal. Where's the pass rush come from since the night? Now that Dre Hendrickson is in Baltimore. I mean, he was a problem last year. He's doing a great job. And that was a free agent signing the Vagels. Yeah, from Seattle. Got the rookie on the opposite end. He's been doing a lot of good stuff with more limited snaps. And then Murphy, who's been a contributor for him isn't necessarily the rush oriented edge player, but is a stable presence and edge that are. And so the combination of those three really are what's sparking a lot from the outside. I figure if it works for the linebackers to have. That's the point. They're getting. I mean, those are good players by themselves. Right. You get even better when all of a sudden you're getting middle push. And that quarterback can't step up. Now, the sudden that corner gets a little shorter for you. Because the quarterback's been out off to a great start. And that's the starting point.

18:20He's good player for Minnesota. Yeah, he's a good player. No doubt. He got surprised. I mean, he's what, you're 10. Is it already your 10? I think it's like nine or 10 for him. Yeah, you're 10. Now is that is that old for defensive tackle? No, those guys. It depends on their style, their game, how long it lasts necessarily. But you see guys go into their 30s and it not be a abnormal abnormal approach. And who on the back end do you have to watch out for? That's right now they're a little banged up at safety. So they're going through some mix and match there. But their corners are really good. They can run with a lot of dudes. They do great for noose. Yeah, they do great from trail positions. And it sounds like Dax is going to move into the nickel spot this week with some injuries on the back end. Then their rookies are going to be out there on the outside out of Washington. How rare is it for one big guy to come in and change the whole trajectory of their defense? Well, I think that they also had my faith from Seattle. So they got the rookies. But we had the same thing back about.

19:21With those guys. I mean, I think it's a group effort, but there's always guys that come in, a guy like Dexter. And I was reading something I think today or yesterday before, Jamar Chase talking about the presence of Dexter Lawrence in the locker room and the team. And just what I was equating it to was when Colay's Campbell came here in 2017 and turned everything along for that team. I mean, guys, there's certain guys that, you know, change the math on the field. No doubt about it. Dexter's one of those guys because of his presence. But there's also guys that a lot of times change the math in a locker room, the culture, how they approach it, their presence, their communication, just the standard which they approach things. And Dexter having the reputation he did and what he had done at New York at a high level for so many years coming into Cincinnati and his call excitement to be in a new place and a new, and wanting to prove who he is is one of the best players in this league. That presence is felt. And you can see it in that defense is playing at a different level than they did last year. This stuff isn't like a reason why so often I, I was sort of point back to the idea that we're not simply

20:26in the talent acquisition business is because there's a lot of talent that exists in the NFL. But so much of it is also rooted in systems and timing and that we're actually in the team building business because you can point back to your question around. Why weren't the giants with Dexter Lawrence last year in the conversation is one of the best run-stopping units defensively, but now the bangles fast forward are. So much of it is rooted beyond just an individual talent and it is timing and the systems that actually have to work in coordination. And that's a team oriented game and the team building business where we spend all of our attention. But Jacobi was in a very similar spot that what his influence and presence meant to our football team a year ago in comparison to the then Raiders. Well, I wasn't it happening where he was elevating that space for them but ends up here and you feel that right.

21:28There's a lot that goes beyond just the individual talents that makes this all come to life. I'm talking about the interesting thing is that if you look at your drop passes last year prior to his arrival and compare. It's a wild post-arrival. It's like night and day. Well, there was a very clear problem. We were struggling to catch the ball. Jacobi superpower catching the ball. But obviously that super power is kind of one of those things that emanates into the room. So just look at the bangles were struggling to stop the run. Dexter superpower is stopping the run. Right. So it's sometimes it's not crazy complicated. But it does require timing and systems to see it to its fullest potential. We have one more segment with James and Tony and we'll do that right after this on Jaguars Radio. MUSIC Ah! Welcome back, Jags HQ. It continues right now.

22:30Welcome back, Jags HQ. Brian Sexton along with Jeff Laghaman, James Plasstone and Tony Pacelli. This is because the Dexter Lawrence conversation got me thinking. Once again, Devon Hamilton. Because he does not get the credit across the league. He deserves because he doesn't sack the quarterback. Right. He did last week. Oh, he did last week. He did last week. He did last week. He did last week. He did, sack. Yeah. Got the win knocked out of him. But he, you know, he talked about guys controlling the defense of line and doing stuff. I mean, another great effort from the whole group. But that's how important having that guy, big guy who can, and that's what Dexter does. So it's as similar as those are fans, think about watching this game and you say, hey, the Jaguars run defense look how good they've done. And we've talked about Devon's presence. It's very similar to a Dexter Lawrence in what he does. Because those guys are so big and strong, they eat up blocks. And all our guys like 4a and Ventro who had, again, played good last week, strong games, the access they have to go operate. That's how important. Those guys always get the stat line credit.

23:32I think James did a great job last week talking about Zach Allen. Didn't show up on the stat line. And that's where the team building that James was talking about of like what we're trying to do here. Bangles did a great job this off season doing it. Those type of guys bring a presence of just making everyone else around them better. Yeah, the, uh, was looking at Devon's numbers because you know, we're kind of looking at Dexter. What does Dexter Lawrence have career sax, Brian? See if you can find that number. Just out of curiosity because Devon with that half a sack now has got six. And it's clear. So we need to get one more so that he can average a sack of years. But I mean, most people look at it and go, well, he's not that good of a player, but he does so many other things. And he's a good pass rusher still in his own right. But I mean, that's the kind of things that sometimes like you're talking about was Zach Allen. It's the influence and more often than not, it's the influence and it's what it does for others and the rest of the unit.

24:32I mean, the way that we stop the run is building a wall and it requires you to remain sturdy and stout. It doesn't necessarily point to penetrate in Pierce. And that's where you see a lot of the tackles for loss, sacks, hits, pressure, all that kind of stuff. So when you're in that schematic game of reading, yeah, which is what Devon does exactly right? We got like Devon. We talked about last year, we got like Matt Dickerson. Most people don't pay attention to what Matt does. This is a guy who just goes in there and eats up box. Another guy, Rook, again, comes over, understands the new system, new way to play. There's Devon. He had a great game. Have a great game. And so those are the style plays. And a totally new system. Rook was in what you would call attack, react. We play a system that is the opposite, react, and then attack. So like you said, reading, right? That's where you got to totally shift your state of mind when you're moving from those two systems.

25:36And Rook, obviously now, through three games, starting to find his group and contributions within the larger scope. And it goes to like, it's no different. So he looked at this bangles front. Yeah, Dexter is the guy that everyone talks about. You mentioned Jonathan Allen. You got the ends. And so it's a group that is playing together and playing off each other. No different than the passers going back to the conversation. How do you stop Joe? Joe Broke. We got to win 101 matchups, but we got a Russian and coordinated way. We got to play off each other. And you have to the blitz. It's coverage. I mean, so much of these things is not about, it's the individual's winning one on one. And we want to all see that as much as possible. That's, you know, those were guys get paid to do is go win matchups at the same time. Secondary is not covering. Sticky playing their tails off, forcing Bro to hold a little bit longer. Those acts. So many of the sacks and James and I every off season, all the time, go through and you start as you're going through free agency and everything else. You're looking at guys and you might be interested in

26:38or who are free agents or your own guys in trying to figure out what they do well and everything else. And you turn on a sac real. And when we think of sacks, the average person, you're like, oh, he just whipped it and just got a sack. Most sacks are happening around four seconds. Three, half four seconds. A lot of them. The best. And so often for a quarterback to hold that long, what has to happen? You got to cover people on the back end. And so it's this whole team dynamic. We will win the game if we play as a team. I would love to see. And I don't know if there is even such a thing. But you look at some of the, like Aaron Donald, for example, what's his average time to sack versus the average in NFL history? We can certainly pull that. I mean, is that a metric that even gets, it does it gets measured? Oh, yeah. Time to sack. It's better. We were watching Aaron Donald because he was coming back and we went back and just watching his sacks.

27:39Aaron Donald, some of his best plays, he never got the sack. He was so disruptive. And some of his sacks were effort sacks that happened three, four, five seconds after the play. And so it's one of those things that you just hope it all happens. Because he's whipping the guy and, you know, point five seconds. But the court backs running around and throws it away or someone else gets the sack because what Aaron did vice versa. There's times where the chaos of everything and Aaron ends up with great effort. Jason Bunk. Tony can't stand some of these pressure. I was like, I, because I know, he's like, that's not a pressure. It's not a sack. But it's, it's what we need to worry about. And this goes all the way back to your original question like Joe Burrow, who's playing at a high level. It's not always about how many sacks we get. Obviously you want the negative yards. That impacts that gets people off the field, changes drives. Those are important. I'm not saying that at all.

28:39But we have to disrupt his timing. The more disruptive we can be to get him out of sorts and off his spot, that's when quarterback struggled. We saw it with Trevor in Denver. James did a great job of highlighting that was how his account played. Zero sacks, but he was the most disruptive player on their defense. And that's what we have to do to Joe Burrow. That's when you have to do to every quarterback in this league. Because if you don't, they're too good. They can get back there and you can't cover long enough, especially when you got T Higgins and Jamar Chase out there running around. All right, so I'm fascinated about this stat. Time to sack. Is that TTP or is that TTS? TTS. Is that a legitimate thing that you can pull up? Yeah. And then TTT is time to throw. OK, TTT is time to pressure. Is how long has time to sack TTS? I think we should go pull yours. But it's not very good. Eight seconds. No, it's a little less than that. It's probably around five. But what's like some of the great past rushers in NFL history?

29:41What was like their time to start giving me these questions ahead of that second actually pull? I have not looked at it with this. But is there such a thing? Is there a database? What a time. Like Bruce Smith. Could you go back and get time to my computer and start hammering it out. It'll take just seconds. Are you kidding me? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, we can bring you back. So who needs a committed to memory when you got your computer? So I can give you a whole more consideration. So you can do this. You're saying, if I say, hey, give you an assignment, right? So next week, I would love to know, like the top 20 time to say, this sack, guys were or have been in NFL history. That's great. You can get that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, the data sets typically on you go back a certain. Well, as far back as you can go, I would love to know. I'll answer your question. You asked how many sacks that Dexter has? 32 and a half. 32 and a half. 30 and a half. 30 and a half. That's impressive. That's four sacks a year from a nose tackle.

30:42That's impressive. That's three all the pronouns. In his three all pro pro years, he had 21. And you guys, you got to go back to work. So I got my assignment done time to sack. Time to sack. I'm trying to look at it, but my fancy. Just curious. Just curious. We got to take a break. We'll be back after this so the Jaguars Radio Network. Thanks. OK. Welcome back, Jags HQ. Continues right now. Welcome back, Jags HQ. Brian sexted along with Jeff Laghamon. And we got another stat. We were just talking about during the day. For TTP. Right. Time to pressure. I'd seen that one. So, OK. So this week, Joe Barrow, right? I mean, time to sack, time to pressure are two critical metrics. OK. That I don't think after the game, anybody's going to go and say, hey, where can I find that TTP or TTP? Yeah, that's where you get one in the weeds. OK. But I mean, those numbers this week are incredibly important.

31:43So what should it be? Hey, you heard Tony. He said three to four seconds is where the most sacks are. Well, it has like for a sack normal, you know, for, you know, how long does it take to make Joe Barrow nervous? But I mean, we were just talking also all the air there. Is that OK, when does the clock stop? Is it when contact is made? Or is it when is the whistle is blown? And who's doing the gradient? That's a very valid point. A lot of the next gen stats. It's who and what system they're applying. It's subjective. It's subjective. But I was like, for me, the time to sack would be more of like time to contact with the result being a sack. You know what I mean? That's really what I'm looking at. Because every fish, you know, when a fish will might not blow it dead until later or miss a, you know, he's still alive. But the fact is that he was sacked. Where you hit the quarterback, you can no longer throw it. Exactly. I mean, how do you decide it? Yeah. So, but I mean, that's, I think it's a very curious thing. And it's something that the Jaguars need to be able to accomplish this week.

32:44And Orlando Brown at the left tackle position is right now the weak point of that Cincinnati Bangle's offensive line. And he's got the weirdest stance on the planet. And I don't know how better to describe it. Here we go. And but I'm going to do my best. And I'm going to be accurate and tell everybody exactly what I told you earlier. Go for it. Okay, you know, like when your son, when he's young, and he's got up, he's got to go to the bathroom. He's talking like three, four years old. Yeah, like three, four year old kid. And he puts his two knees together. And he, and, you know, and he has a stance to where he puts his knees together like a kid that needs to go peepee. Why would you do that? It's just it's a weird, it's a weird stance. It is dad. Zeus had that. But anyway, he's a, he's a very large man. 6, 8, 350. And if you try to get in the game of, of just wanting to overpower him, that's not the game you need to play.

33:46You need to play the game that you need to get on his edges and make 360 pounds or 50 pounds, whatever he weighs in a real world and make him move. The most effective speed Russia this team has right now is Dennis Gardek. Dennis Gardek. And I got to throw a little bit of credit to Brian Thomas Jr. last week his first opportunity getting some rushes. And he did pretty well. But look, you know, our, our top guys, Josh and Trayvon, they, they've got a win. And Trayvon, if he stays on the left side, Amarius Mims is a good football player and, and a very large man and Trayvon's typically a power player. And Mims has got the size to negate power. So this is going to be a significant matchup on both sides. All right. We need to break. So the UF Health injury report, as is up to date at this moment, you are listening to Jags HQ on Jaguars Radio.

34:51Welcome back Jags HQ continues right now. The injury report today is brought to you by UF Health, official healthcare partner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. And for the Jaguars, a lot of limited guys running back with Quint Allen, cornerbacks, Christian Braswell and Monterric Brown, defensive tackle, Devon Hamilton, wide receiver, Jacoby Myers, defensive tackle, Albert Regis and offensive tackle, Cole Van Lannon, one addition to the, the report today. And that is tight and Nate Borkertur, who did not practice with an illness, a couple to note for the Cincinnati Bengals, three or four guys that have not participated in back-to-back days. Safety Kyle Dugger, defensive tackle, BJ Hill, starting offensive guard Dalton Reisner and wide receiver, Cole B. Young. We'll see the final report about this time tomorrow. Yeah. Cole B. Young, third round pick out of Georgia.

35:53Yoshivas, he went to IR earlier in the year, had been their third wide receiver and then he got hurt and then they put in Cole B. Young, who's the third round pick. He's gotten some snaps and then Dante Myers. But they don't, I like our third wide receiver options, much better than I do the healthy Cincinnati Bengals ones. That's a two-headed monster. The third, when you hit Jamar Chase, why are you even throwing the number? Well, the third is the tight end. Good thinking. Yeah. So, just to put it in context, the last two games that Jamar Chase has played against the Jaguars last year in Cincinnati and the Monday Night Football game, I think it was, it was Sunday, I think it was Monday, in 2023. 25 catches, 313 yards and two touchdowns. He is coming off of back-to-back seasons in which he has had 125 or more catches in

36:53each season. I think it's interesting and looking at his career numbers and 538 catches, right? And he's in what? He's in year six. So, he's going to hit 600 receptions this year, right? I mean, easy. Yeah, easy. Yeah, based upon what he's done. You got a guy that's averaging over 100 catches a year in the first six years of his NFL career and that's crazy. Now, you know why people say future Hall of Famer and nobody ever contested. Made a pro bowl every year. Last year, the Jaguars couldn't get their hands on it. 14 catches. I mean, 165 in a touchdown. Can you imagine if you had Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase on the same team? You might win the national championship. And then Parker is your three. Those two guys, by the way, we're on the same TV. Probably know it as you with Joe Burrow. It's crazy.

37:54No wonder they went 15 to know. Hello. I mean, think about that. I mean, LSU had those two guys and Joe. Yeah. I mean, no wonder Trevor lost his first game ever at Clemson. Against those guys. Yeah. Playing it at such a high level and the value of T Higgins on the other side because he's so big and tall. You can't cover him, man, on man. You got to go zone on him. No, and you go back a couple of years ago and think about how the Cincinnati Bengals didn't want to pay him. When every team in the league was like, line up, don't pay him. Send him to us. Right. We'll take him. And they paid him 28 million a year in his bar. Finally, they paid him. Chase is over 40, I believe. There's the highest big. Two really good receivers. The top two combo in the league. Jaguars and Bengals, it is a one o'clock kickoff on Sunday at Paycore Stadium in Cincinnati. We'll get things started for those of you listening locally on our flagship station.

38:551010 XL at 10 a.m. with the public's tailgate show Mike Dempsey and Austin Lane joined me for that and then we'll bring you in the network around at noon Eastern time and a one o'clock kickoff followed by the post game show and for those of you local, the Jaguars scoreboard show. We'll take a break and come back to rap. No, not rap. We got more to go. We'll come back right after this on the Jaguars radio network. Welcome back, Jags HQ continues right now. And welcome back to Jags HQ. You Brian and Jeff with you for about eight or nine more minutes. And listen, shame on us. We've been talking about Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T Higgins and how the Jaguars are going to handle that. We talked about the running game because of the storyline of Dexter Lawrence and what he's meant to the Bengals in his first year in Cincinnati. But the Jaguars have a quarterback who is playing so well that they can go up there and

39:56go toe to toe with Joe Burrow. Maybe for the first time since they faced him because in those other three matchups, Trevor wasn't playing like he is now. He's playing top five in the National Football League. And in the MVP conversation, and I'm not a gambler, but I saw an article that was talking about odds of people that could win the MVP. Josh Allen is at the top. And Trevor is right there in the mix. You know, and the reality is is that he should be in the mix. Small market. I think lowers his chances a little bit. If Trevor were in New York, do you think that's a good thing? I think those chances would be much higher. Absolutely. Everyone would be talking about that. Oh my gosh, absolutely. There's no chance that people would dismiss it. And some people do because again, they look at a smaller market that they don't see as often as you know, doubt, no doubt. And I think you know, the it's easy to talk about the big plays in the game that Trevor makes is to say why he's good. But there are some plays that aren't considered that big that are why he's that good.

40:58You go to that 15 play drive, which ate up a ton of game clock. And on that drive, he had that one play. If you'll remember, he was under pressure. And at the last second, he finds Basel Tutin to his left and gets it out at just the right moment. Basel Tutin makes a nice little gain out of it. So that one ends up being what could have been a negative turned into a positive. There was another play in which he gets it out of his hands as he's being hit. He just flicked the wrist and it lands to Jacobi on a third down. It converts the first down. And then he had another one that he took a sack on. And a lot of people say, well, big deal. Well, no, it is a big deal because the Trevor Lawrence of a couple of years ago, who was giving them all the way, might have tried to throw it away and it ended up in the wrong hands. But he just said, hey, look, I'm going to take a sack here, live to play another down. And then you have the other play where he's getting chased out of the pocket on the naked bootleg. There's nobody open. And he just throws it away. The Trevor Lawrence of old, not a ran out of bounds and taking a sack for a lot of

42:02yards behind the lines of gravity. Because we've seen those mistakes in the past. But that's, it's just amazing to watch the maturation or maturing process of Trevor. And right now he's playing that on the lead level. By the way, the play to Tutin that you mentioned would be a perfect example of passing yards over expected. Oh, right? Well, expected. And we get sacked if you watch that, right? I mean, I guess. Yeah, yeah. I just tweaked it. Just a little bit. Um, just, I thought because talking to guys in the locker room, you know, there's a lot of confidence in him right now. He is lifting the performance of all those players around him. He is doing what his college teammate, Dexter Lawrence, is doing it since Nadi, on the offensive side of the ball. That's right. It's impressive to see. It's fun to see. And then it's also, it's fun to listen to him talk about plays after the game. Because when he talks about it, he's not talking about it from a singular position. He's looking at it from the macro perspective because he understands everything he's

43:06seen. He's a lot of fun to watch and listen to right now. And as the guys in the locker room will tell you, because they did tell us this week, fun to play with. We'll take our final break and come back and wrap up Jags HQ on the first Thursday of October here on Jaguars Radio. Welcome back, Jags HQ continues right now. Jaguars on the road Sunday, pick horse, date, and then since Nadi taking on the two and one since Nadi Bengals, and listen, I know Jeff that a lot of people are looking at that Broncos 49ers game and saying that is the marquee game of the week. I wouldn't get too far from this one. Two former number one overall picks back to back years, national championship winners played against each other in college. I think this has the potential to be a wonderful game. It's going to the fourth quarter for sure. For me, this is a total popcorn game. And when you have history, like these two guys do, even though they were a couple years of part in college, the national championship game, the connection between guys on their

44:07team, guys on our team, Clemson LSU, this is a must watch game. And anytime you have two elite quarterbacks, it must watch TV in my book. What's the differentiator? What has to happen to the Jaguars? I'm a big believer and obviously it's tried and true. Takeaway battle is everything. Eliminate possession. And the Jaguars defense has done a great job of taking the ball away. They've had six on the year. They've got 31 points off of those six takeaways. If you take the ball away against Joe Burrow and score some points, that's a big swing. We're going to find out Sunday, one o'clock kick off, ten o'clock for those of you in the Jaguars. So Jacksonville for the public's tailgate show and noon for countdown to kick off on the Jaguars radio network. Thanks for spending some of your evening with us with Jeff Logamon for Tony Bacelli for James Gladstone and for Mark Duffner and our entire broadcast crew. We wish you a very good evening and we'll talk to you on Sunday from Jacksonville and Cincinnati.