Israel-bound flight hijacked

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1:00There is day, October 1st. And occasionally, as we like to do with my good friend, Chris Salsado in Texas, we like to simulcast his radio show in mind so that we can collaborate on some issues. And I'm actually watching him on his video, cats are right now on X. But good morning. Do we have you, Chris? Yes, you do. Jonah Ellis in the morning, folks, welcome to the Chris Salsado show on Torch Audio. Great. Well, yeah, this is a really great and fun way that we can collaborate occasionally. And you and I have been talking over the last week or so, what everybody's been talking about with the midterms. And where do you focus on right now, Chris Salsado, in Texas, of course, but then also nationally? Well, of course, the balance of power, the Senate,

2:01and a lot of these races is top of the ticket in many of these states and Texas, I can tell you. So I'm watching Abdul Al-Sahyed, and I'm watching, of course, in my home state of Texas, James Telefriek show, and keeping an ear on some of the other big races. There was a cat in Iowa who is running for Senate who says that he wants to bring in more illegal aliens and more foreign nationals to take Iowa's jobs, which I thought was a weird pitch. Yeah, I want to replace your jobs, vote for me. And then there's this crazy woman out in Arkansas who's running against Tom Cotton. She says that she would trade five Americans for one illegal alien because the Democrats value illegal aliens more than they do Americans, but vote for them, right? So I've got my toe in a lot of races, of course I can speak with greater authority on the one that directly impacts me and my family

3:01right here in the great state of Texas. Was I speaking out of turn? You are in Florida, right? You are there. I am. I am indeed. The free state of Florida that, you know, we're hoping won't go to the Democrats in November, but you know, that apparently is on the line right now. Well, I haven't talked much about Florida because to be quite honest with you, I thought that it was with Ron DeSantis and the exceptional job that he has done and that the conservative leadership that is coming out of Florida, I didn't think we were on the rest of the country in conservative land had anything to worry about. Why don't you fill my audience and know what's happening in Florida and your concerns? Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, over here on Jenna Ellis in the morning on American Family Radio Network, we talk a lot about Florida because I'm here, but also because this is the free state of Florida and who would have thought that we would be in the position where potentially the Democrat, David Jolly,

4:02would be literally neck and neck with Byron Donalds who is the Republican. And I think a few things are coalescing at the same time, Chris, to make this possible. One is that Byron Donalds is honestly a very weak candidate here in Florida. Governor DeSantis did not endorse him in the primary. It was a very hard fought primary. The only thing that Byron Donalds ran on is that he has the Trump endorsement. He wouldn't debate. And a lot of people in Florida, of course, Governor DeSantis's base felt that that was an insult to them and are now saying that they basically want to leave the top of the ticket blank and will vote Republican all the way down, but they're going to leave the top of the ticket blank. And along with that, you have David Jolly who is very much a leftist liberal Democrat, but he actually used to be a Republican. And so Byron Donalds, who is a former Democrat now Republican,

5:02is running against David Jolly, who is a former Republican congressman, who's now actually a Democrat. And so I think that some Republicans in Florida are saying, well, if he used to be a Republican, how far to the left can he really be? And so there are a lot of issues again that are coalescing, but really it is just that Byron Donalds is not doing the right messaging. I think mirroring the national GOP that is not handling the messaging right. And he is failing to coalesce a lot of the voters. So I mean, I think it would be a terrible travesty if we handed the state back over to the liberal left. I don't think that we'll have that problem down the ballot, but it's really scary that it's even this interesting. Yeah, you know, the last Democrat that ran in your state, that the bias press, the Democrat party was saying, was going to stay Florida, ended up being a drug addict and in jail.

6:05So the track record of the Democrat party, and Mr. Jolly, of course, he's a former Republican. And we have a lot of these so-called Republicans who are showing themselves to actually be socialists in Marxist, whether they be in media, whether they be in, like for example, John Cornyn. John Cornyn is for all intents and purposes of the Democrat. He's not voting the Republican ticket. He will not support Ken Paxon in my home state of Texas. He is actively working to elect socialists in Marxist. And might I say that he has a lot of support in media from the Brian Kilmeads of the world, from the hue, hue, it's of the world, from Karl Rove, from the Karl Rove Never Trump Network. And also let's be plain, that the Senate Republicans who have sat on their duffs and done nothing, nothing to advance and codify the America First Agenda into law, who have been basically running up the clock on the country, they too have been working very hard

7:05to hand over the country back to Democrats. And there's a problem that socialists and Communists are winning these Democrat primaries. That's a huge red flag, no? Yeah, absolutely. And it is mind boggling, Chris, that we have Republicans that are actively undermining the conservative agenda. And for what? I mean, what are the corns and the tomatilluses of the world gaining? And even, you know, Brian Kilmead and some of these others and Karl Rove, you know, of all people. I mean, what are they gaining by undermining some of these candidates? I mean, this is not Donald Trump that we're talking about. He's not on the ballot. I get that, you know, people opposed him for various reasons in the past. But to actually actively undermine a coalition that you need in order to have a majority in the House and the Senate. I don't understand their logic because this is a team sport. Politics is a team sport.

8:07And on the federal level, you have to make sure that you are voting a sufficient number of people. And listen, this is what primaries are for. Maybe you were the one that got ousted in the primary, or candid it did, but you can't be so focused on the primary that you don't move forward and vote your values in the general. Yeah, it's kind of so bad, Jenna, that Karl Rove is calling those of us who support certain candidates Nazis. I mean, he's adopting the language of the left and falsely labeling people Nazis with whom he politically disagrees. That's the state of what I would call the Bush wing or the fake Republican wing of the Republican Party. So let's pivot now to the other side because maybe you have, I don't know how much you've been watching about Texas, but the money's coming online in Texas and now everybody's starting to recognize who this cat is, James, I call him James Telefrike show. His name is James Telefrico, who is really a do-nothing figurehead, a pasty white guy, fake Christian.

9:09And it has come out in the last couple of days that he has a real serious problem with part of the Democrat coalition blacks. I just got through playing a sound bite where the black vice-chair for voter engagement in the state of Texas was taking a call from a concerned citizen and basically admitting that James Telefrico doesn't want anything to do with blacks and they already distrust him because of what Jasmine Crockett has been saying and Colin Allrad has been saying, they refuse to campaign with him because they suspect or maybe even they know that he is part of this left-wing racist cabal that defines the Democrat Party throughout American history. What do you think? Yeah, and I listen to that clip as well and it's so fascinating to see how even the stars of the Democrat Party for as much as they don't share our values as conservatives, they don't actually share the same values as each other either. And you have this interesting split with even the socialists

10:12who are not the Democrat Party of 20 and 30 years ago but then you have these people that continue to undermine each other. And basically what I took away from this as well is that because Telefrico is the young white male, that's in part all that some Democrat voters care about. And so it's really fascinating to see what some of their priorities are. And I hope that with this new influx of money into Paxton's race from Elon Musk, from Trump and some others on the Republican side, that more of Telefrico's values, what they actually are can be front and stage in Texas because this is really a Chris, and I've been saying this on my show for a number of weeks now, this is two completely different views of reality from any Democrat that you look at and any Republican and wherever they're at on the political spectrum.

11:15Any Democrat is going to have a completely and totally different view of reality, legitimate government, family, liberty, socialism, I mean, the economy, all of that, then what Republicans are. And speaking of the Democrats, I don't think that the GOP is messaging well why socialism actually is a problem because some of these younger voters like with Rich Barrett's survey that just came out recently. A lot of these young voters are saying Republicans didn't give us any answers. So, hey, we'll at least take some of the candidates that are at least trying to solve the problems. Do you find that that's the case as well in Texas? Because somebody like Talleriko isn't necessarily this foreign socialist, but there are still young voters everywhere in the country that are trending more socialist. Yeah, you know what, I'm saying it not just in Texas,

12:15even though I think we have a better handle on it here. And I would imagine it's similar in Florida, but I think that the Republican Party writ large isn't, and this is not Trump's fault because Trump is doing everything he can. The Republican Party and its quote unquote leadership writ large is doing a very poor job of describing the stakes of just what is in store for us if there is a socialist and Marxist majority anywhere in this country. And I gotta be honest, who is messaging better on this, Jenna, than the Republicans? Bill Mar. I mean, I'm John, can you make sure that our audio that they should be able to hear it? I wanna make sure her audience hears this, but Bill Mar is out there, and he's making the better case as to why Democrats, Socialists, and Communists are a danger to the American way of life, than the Republicans are. Listen to Bill Mar, folks. Have you seen the platform from the Democratic Socialists of America?

13:15They ask us to imagine a future without capitalism, where your job isn't just a job to pay bills, and then they say, speaking of bills, you don't really have them anymore. Ooh, no bills. I'm listening to insanity, but I'm listening. Yeah. Their website says in the future, you don't pay a mortgage or have a landlord because comfortable housing is a human right. Wow, so the government pays for all housing for everyone everywhere. That's times like it could be a little pricey. Oh, not just housing, also health insurance, food, education, medicine, transportation, free daycare, free universal daycare. Just day. What is that? What about night? What are parents supposed to do at night, see their kids? I mean, just how much will this have an on-earth class? Well, the estimates are between 72 trillion and 212 trillion.

14:16Yeah. Nice. Well, well, we got to end it here, Crystal Sato. Thanks so much for your commentary. I grew up here on Bill Marison. It's amazing when he's the one speaking truth. We'll be right back. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American family radio and specifically this podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.net-fordslash-give. That's afr.net-slash-give. Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the morning on American Family Radio. Welcome back. Well, yesterday a flight Dubai flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv was diverted to Saudi Arabia after the pilot was stabbed by the other pilot in the cockpit during an apparent attempt to crash the plane in a hijacking.

15:18This coming from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and so there was heroism on board despite being wounded, the attacked pilot fought back and managed in Netanyahu's words to prevent a 9-11 disaster. A passenger also described how he put to the alleged assailant in a choke hold before grabbing the plane's controls to stabilize the flight. But it's unclear at this time who ultimately landed the plane. So the incident caused the aircraft to plummet about almost 20,000 feet in less than two minutes according to the flight tracking data. The plane was diverted to Saudi Arabia and the passengers have since returned safely to Israel. A flight Dubai has launched an investigation into the incident and airline spokesperson said and that heroic passenger revealed that he met Netanyahu and it was some of these pictures coming out were just so emotionally heart-wrenching just seen not only this passenger meeting Netanyahu

16:21still covered in a bloody t-shirt from the incident but then also the families greeting their loved ones as they actually arrive in Israel. Just what an incredible story of heroism but also a really terrifying warning about terrorism and what is still possible. So let's welcome in Scott Eulinger who's a retired CIA officer and Scott. There's a lot of speculation going around as to targeting these specific passengers because they were Israelis. Do we know anything more about the attacker and exactly what happened here? Well, yeah, we do know some things. I know that it's reading between the lines and there was one of the top leaders of the IRGC seemed to kind of mention this which has some people thinking that Iran could have been involved

17:23but there's some other things I'd like to point out about it. One is an interesting thing is that this is obviously a cockpit incident. It was not a cockpit altercation. It was an attempt to terrorist attack but actually if you look at, let's see, the past 10 years or so, there have been at least six incidents involving death by pilot where the pilot just took the plane down but there's been six. So in other words, the trend is not toward people grabbing the airplane behind the cockpit. It's people in the cockpit that are causing the problems. So there's a couple of interesting things about this. The pilot was an incredibly brave guy because what he managed to do was in the midst of being attacked and cut up and stopped. He opened the cockpit door because as you recall, after 9-11, they reinforced the cockpit doors. So in other words, if he hadn't opened that door, that plane would be a smoking crater in the ground because the passengers would not have been able

18:25to open the door no matter what, with fire accidents they wouldn't have been able to do it. So it's really, you know, this is the hand of God intervening because it's truly miraculous. I've also seen some engineers talk about that airplane, that airframes of 737 exceeded 650 knots and it's 17,000 foot descent, which must have been like, you know, an angle like corining into the ground. And it is a miracle on that alone that the airframe did not rip itself apart and that's like people involved in aviation design have said that. So it's truly miraculous. The latest thing I read was that a, it was actually a little girl that was the first, showed the first sign of the problem. She went to the bathroom, she heard the scuffling in the cockpit, she ran back to her parents, woke her mom up, insisted on waking her mom up, the same mom, there's a problem up here, you need to get up. And then the Israeli plumber went in

19:28and I guess fought the guy off or restrained him somehow. And they, and basically from watching TV, he simply pulled the aircraft with the control yolks out of the dive. And I think at that point, there were off duty pilots amongst the passengers who were able to take over from there. So like I said, we see a lot of, you know, this is a miracle, this is an absolute miracle. We look at the engineering involved and the presence of mind, the pilot, et cetera. So we really have caused to thank God that innocent people were not killed. Yeah, and wow, so many different parts to this story. And I was wondering that because as you said after 9-11, you know, the cockpit doors, you can't open as a passenger. And so how exactly did this come about? Do you think that because of this and because the pilot was actually able to open the door in order to let people come in to help? Should there be a contemplation perhaps as part of this investigation

20:28about some kind of emergency release or some other way that pilots, if there is some kind of emergency or in the cockpit, can more easily allow the door to be opened? Yeah, I think there may be some sort of quick release now, but yes, they have to definitely look at that. But it's interesting like, like now that you brought that up, right? We talked about it. But is it interesting that like I said, in the past 10 or 12 years, all major problems with aircraft that result in crashes, basically, or almost all of them have resulted from actions inside the cockpit. So that very well could be the mindset of the terrorists understanding that, okay, now we cannot get into the cockpit from outside. So what we need to do is we need to recruit people to either go into flight training or recruit people already in flight training because we need to get inside the cockpit and the way we get inside the cockpit is to recruit a terrorist pilot.

21:31Now, this guy is a mony who attacked. We haven't heard a lot of information about his name yet. And that will be interesting when we do, if we do, because some people have really speculated he could be tied to like some, well, it's relatively well-known family inside a mon, but we'll have to find that out. Yeah, and how difficult is this? I mean, this is an insider threat to, and how difficult is it to defend against that when we now have terrorist pilots who have already been vetted, credentialed, and authorized to enter the cockpit. I mean, this isn't the same as 9-11 where you just have a passenger and you have potential screen, you have the TSA restrictions and everything that happened after 9-11. I mean, this is somebody who has gone through ostensibly, at least, the actual credentialing and yet still got into the cockpit

22:32and still caused this act of terrorism. Yes, and the other thing, because I have friends who fly large, very large commercial jets. And another problem that basically contributes toward the additional terrorist threat is seeing the old days, let's say 10 or 15 years ago, this would have been easier to avoid. Okay, you can screen the pilots when they're trainees, et cetera. And then, at a certain point, basically, the pilots start out at their flying commuter jets, et cetera. They move up a ladder, increasingly large and complex jets. So like in other words, you'd have a little bit more time to screen them in a real world situation. But what we've seen now in the last five years or so is the amount of flight hours that a copilot of like a large aircraft is required to fly before they're in a large aircraft

23:33is like one fifth of what it used to be. In other words, in the old days, they used to have a copilot, and I have like, I don't know, 500 hours in an aircraft of many aircraft of smaller size. But now it is not uncommon to have a copilot who has like 75 hours, because they're so short of pilots and copilets, they're accelerating their promotion. But of course, as you accelerate your promotion, you're giving the guy a greater opportunity to do something really spectacular in terms of death if he is, in fact, some kind of terrorist recruit. And of course, the Middle Eastern Airlines have the greatest threat, because not only are most of them, Muslim, although this pilot was Indian notably, but also the screening, you know, how good are they gonna be with the screening when you have basically some people who sympathize with the Palestinians

24:35and are open to committing acceptors. And how do you guard the guards? Yeah, yeah, and how different is this potentially because this was a Middle Eastern airline, then the vetting process in the United States for, for example, are domestic airlines, because obviously there are people now concerned about flying and the vetting of our own pilots here in the United States. Do you think that that's a different type of concern or is there a different standard or how would you answer that? Well, right, that's the problem. I mean, there is a different standard, but it's not as different as I would like it to be. In other words, in the Middle East, you're gonna have people perhaps doing a screening who are basically, you know, favorably inclined toward like the Muslim brotherhood or something. So that's a big problem. But in this country, we have too many people who are willing to, you know, jump through hoops to prove that they are not an Islam, a Islamaphob.

25:38And so because of that, they're going to promote people inappropriately perhaps who, let's face it, have a greater chance of committing acts of terrorism. It's a simple fact, you know, as we've seen in intelligence. Everyone is allowed to have the room opinion, but you're not allowed to have your own facts. And the facts are that it is Muslim pilots that are committing these acts of terrorism. Now, there have been, there have been, you know, suicide, suicide by cockpit where I think there was a Swiss Airflator at discount German airline that went down in the Alps because the pilot committed suicide. So there's always those things, but we also have to look at very seriously at the terrorist factor as opposed to suicide. Yeah. And given that this was a Dubai to Tel Aviv flight carrying a large number of Israelis, there's been a lot of media focus on that, obviously from Netanyahu. How much does the route itself factor into the terrorism assessment?

26:40Yeah, well, one interesting thing I'll bring up is that those people on the ground for like two hours before they were taken out. And the reason is an interesting diplomatic thing is that Saudi Arabia does not recognize, still does not officially recognize Israel. And so technically, someone within Israeli passport is not allowed in Saudi. Now, the airplane had to divert to Saudi because it was an emergency. So, of course, the Saudi allowed that to happen and there was even some initial medical treatment, and it's tough. But then after that, they quickly got another jet and deflie them out because it becomes like diplomatically embarrassing. And hopefully like the Abraham Accords, which would entail full diplomatic recognition, then this would no longer be a potential diplomatic problem. But certainly, flying in that area is a concern. And that is another reason why we have to, we can't ignore the possibility

27:40that this couldn't have been a long-term IRGC plot to train certain nationality pilots and Oman would certainly fall within the sphere of influence of Iran that they could potentially recruit in Omane versus somebody from the UAE who are very much against Iran. But in Oman, the IRGC could find Omanes who are susceptible to recruitment by this Iranian regime. Wow. And with all of this and on the obvious, links to terrorism and potentially ongoing recruitment, do you think that it's likely that US intelligence will be involved behind the scenes and contributing or at least having knowledge of the investigation as well? I would think we would wanna know exactly what happened. Yes, definitely that.

28:41The FAA has international mandate almost, and they get involved in lots of things. They are recognized as the foremost experts on air safety. And then of course, yes, the CIA would also get involved in this as well. And in fact, me even would offer its services to assistance screening. And of course, this gives, because this was a UAE carrier, Dubai carrier I think, it would, this is an embarrassment to them. And so they probably would seek out, they would probably seek out agency assistance so that they can basically, you know, continue as a viable business. Okay, look, you know, we're getting additional help in screening because obviously we may mistake, but we're correcting that mistake. And so I can see them seeking out the assistance of the CIA. Yeah, wow. And you know, as we've mentioned, passengers physically intervened and prevented this from becoming a catastrophe. And so from the security standpoint,

29:43we've talked about this of what happened in the cockpit and allowing that door to be open. But is there anything that airlines maybe should look at as well because we've seen a few instances where passengers have since 9-11 have intervened. And so what can airlines learn about this or passengers without necessarily encouraging passengers to rush the cockpit during ordinary emergencies or, you know, always having that on their mind, but it seems like the passengers are truly heroes in this instance. And it seems like more passengers, particularly, you know, in the States as well, since we're primarily concerned domestically, but it seems like passengers should be more aware of their surroundings and should take some of these lessons seriously and maybe contemplate what they can potentially do if there's ever a disaster on their own flight. Right. I don't really think of any changes

30:47that need to be taken to like the physical layout of the aircraft or anything like that. Other than what has already been done, the screening, I think, is the main part, you know, and that will include, but see, that will also include screening continuing throughout someone's career, which now you have privacy concerns and things like that. But what I'm saying is, you know, this is not a brand new rookie pilot. This is somebody who's been around, not around as long as they used to be, you know, like we talked about the amount of flight to copia estimate. But it's clear that the screening is not just initially into pilot training. It has to be a continuous process, monitoring of social media posts et cetera, what websites they're following. And you know, that's kind of run a foul of freedom concerns, but on the other hand, outside of the United States, they don't have the Bill of Rights. And so a country, you know, like the UAE would be able to do that without getting a lot of pushback. Yeah. And with the privacy concerns, obviously,

31:51that are constitutional, and there's been a lot of policy discussion since 9-11 about, you know, freedoms that we've given up in exchange for security or perhaps perceived security. How might that work in the United States, because I think a lot of people would want pilots to be vetted, but understand, you know, they do have obviously some privacy rights as well, but may be willing to call for that type of trade-off. Like if you want to be a commercial pilot, you're going to have to, as a part of that, give up some of the privacy to your organization so that they can go and, you know, vet some of these things, but where would you draw some of those lines as a former CIA officer to say, you know, these are things that are actually important to security versus just the government using that as a pretext in order to, you know, big brother or everyone's lives who may be involved in commercial airlines, and may weed out some of the actually good ones

32:53who don't want to give that up. Right. I mean, you put it at, you point out a good thing, Jenna, because like I said, I think it would have to, you'd have to basically, it would be some kind of release for people going in, if you're going to go into something that is directly concerned with public safety, like flying an airplane with 300 people in it, you're going to have to be prepared to give up some rights, I think, so that they can do this screening. Because what I think what we learned during the, after 9-11, the Patriot Act and stuff was used by the government as a basis of abusing power. Clearly, like basically the FISA courts and what they did to Trump is a perfect example of that. So I don't want to, I don't recommend any kind of a large fix that affects the entire American people, because it is open to abuse, and we've already seen that abuse. However, like you said, some kind of, you know, release of liability for monitoring airline pilots specifically would probably, would perhaps be in order,

33:55and I guess they're probably looking at something like that now to prevent another such incident from happening. Yeah, I mean, I, preliminarily, obviously, I'd have to see the specifics, but I would be in favor of that. I mean, there are a lot of jobs and other various types of careers where, you know, you, you do give up a measure of either your privacy or, you know, certain other things in order to have that job. I mean, I can, you have the military, for example, and some other things. And so preliminarily, I think that that would be in order. But last question for you, Scott Ealinger, and I so appreciate your expertise and your commentary on this topic. I've learned a lot that even, you know, the mainstream media wasn't reporting about this incident. How long should it take for this investigation to conclude, and when might we know more? I think that, I think that, you know, you know, FAA works pretty slowly. I think I'd look at like something like six months, before you have something. And you still, there's still that unwillingness.

34:57There's still, despite the fact that Trump's in office, you know, you've got to, you've got to change these organizations bureaucratically, administratively. And we've seen like, you know, with, there's still, there's still a lot of DEI brainwashing in middle schools and high schools and stuff, despite the fact that there's new administration around. So you still get to work through that bureaucracy. And I still, I saw that I'm saying is about six months because there's still going to be people in the FAA who are not going to want to call a spade a spade and not going to really want to admit what the problem is. But, you know, even though it's as plain as the, as it knows on your face. Yeah, and it's unfortunate. Now, we got to take a break here, but it's unfortunate when politics gets in the way of just the facts. And hopefully the investigators will do their job and will have an accurate report regardless of where it leads and regardless of the implications because that's what you have to do in order

35:58to prevent something like this in the future. But again, Scott Eulinger, former CIA officer, really appreciate it. You can follow him on X that encouraged you to do so. And we will be right back with more. We're living in a defining moment in history. Today, a woman facing an unexpected pregnancy can order the abortion pill online. Often before anyone has had the chance to tell her, she is loved that she's not alone or that there is hope. That's why you are needed right now. You were made for this moment.

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38:00on American Family Radio. Welcome back. Well, in some good news, today is identifying as lesbian, gay, or bisexual in the LGBTQ movement in a free fall among young people in the last few years. Well, according to a new study, there has been a decline in the US between 18 to 24 year olds with early data from 2025. And it may be because the younger people themselves are recognizing that this isn't just some form of identity that actually gets them anything. It's not something to be pursued. They actually personally don't like it as much as perhaps some of their liberal parents are trying to force on them. And there was a video that went viral earlier this week, actress Cameron Nanheim. I had to actually Google her, so I was like, I recognized her from somewhere, but I couldn't quite place it. She was the actress back in the 90s on the practice.

39:02If you remember that legal show, I watched that. It was the precursor to Boston Legal, which in my opinion was so much better, because it was the comedy that everybody loved. But she was on that, she was on a few other things, but she was speaking apparently at the Human Rights Campaign event. So appropriate for that forum. And here's what she said as an older woman talking about her own children and saying that she always wanted a gay son. Listen to this. I always wanted a gay son. I did. I love that relationship between gay sons and their mothers. I want to be the picket sign holding mom who would beat the shit out of somebody for her kid. I mean, let's just admit it, gay sons are the best, right? Right. Right. I have photographs of my son in high heels, in full drag. He knows every word to every musical ever written. His fairy godfather, Aaron Walton, is here with us tonight.

40:06I mean, truly, I thought I had this thing locked up. But no, no. He's the only straight guy in his entire musical theater company. So when Marsha called me about 10 years ago from her closet, I kid you not. She was in her closet to tell me that her son had come out to her as gay. All I said was, oh my god, you are so fucking lucky. And about a week later, I was at Marsha's house for dinner when an Amazon package was delivered for her son. And inside, I'm not kidding you, was a pair of thigh high red patent leather boots, like kinky boots. And I thought, oh, come on. Now she is just showing off, right? So disturbing. And such a vulgar woman who is prioritizing her own preferences

41:11above recognizing her son being in the image of God. And anyway, so much to say about this. But let's welcome in Walker Wildman, who, of course, is our vice president here at the American Family Association, AFA Action, and also the co-host of At the Core. And Walker, this is really great that among young adults in the US, there has been a free fall according to this report of students who are identifying with various forms of sexual orientation. And they're not buying into this LGBTQ movement. But with parents like this, like, for example, this Cameron Mannheim, it just shows the pressure, I think, from the liberal left that has been put on these kids. And it's a good thing that a lot of them are pushing back and just saying, no, I'm not going to buy into this insanity. Yeah. And we've been seeing the reason this is refreshing

42:14to see a reprieve in this data is that we've been seeing for the last decade just a drastic increase in kids and young people that identify as LGBTQ or one of the other alphabet letters. So it's due time that we see some kind of a pre-pure. But to your point, the fact that we have adults pushing this on kids and youth is tragic. It should never be this way. Adults should be the responsible ones in the room that bring people back to reality. But there's a generation out there of parents that are bought in on this stuff. And another thing that has helped this data turn the other direction is we have been, the conservative movement in Christians have been waging war, if you will, against Hollywood and against America's education system to ensure that there's as little indoctrination as possible when it comes to this or none at all. And so there's been a lot of exposing of this homosexual

43:18and transgender ideology in schools. There's been a really somewhat of a shunning of Hollywood when they push this garbage on our families through television and social media, et cetera. And so there's a lot of companies that used to push this day in and day out. I mean, every month used to be Pride month. And now, many, much of corporate America through our pressure and the collective pressure of Christians and conservatives, they're really beginning to distance themselves from this type of propaganda. So I think all in all, this is a move back to reality and really a shunning of people who there push this unnatural, ungodly lifestyle on young people. Yeah, and what a great example of how we can truly change culture if Christians are willing to stand up, get involved and speak truth. And so how do you think the cultural mindset, perhaps for some of the current young people, has shifted when these ideologies aren't being taught,

44:22largely, at least in a lot of schools anymore, like my home state of Florida, we've gotten rid of the woke, as Governor DeSantis says, so that kids understand that participating in these deviant lifestyles isn't actually going to benefit them in some way. They're not going to be able to just wear this identity as some sort of badge of honor. And they're actually then encouraged to live in light of truth and reality. Yeah, well, I think this report, and even previous reports to the contrary that are somewhat negative, prove that this is not a, they used to tell us this is an immutable characteristic, you're, they tried the whole born day thing, which had absolutely zero science or data behind it, and it was debunked by a litany of scientists and people that are experts in this field.

45:24But we've been told for decades that they can't help themselves, they're transgender, this is just their natural identity, and we were just told that over and over again, as if us pushing God's design for human sexuality is somehow going contrary to how they were designed. But these reports show that we can actually move the needle with people. The reason young people started to entertain this garbage to begin with is because in some way they were either introduced to it, are they themselves had trauma in their life? There's countless numbers of people who have bald end to homosexuality or transgenderism that are victims of some type of sexual abuse when they were kids. This is a story that is repetitive over and over again amongst people who come out of this lifestyle. And so the fact of the matter is, is that we can't have a say over the direction that young people go, we can't have a say on what they view as right and wrong,

46:24and we can't have a say on pointing them towards God's design for human sexuality, God's design for marriage and family, God's design for male and female. And so all is not lost, all is not doomed, and people aren't just bent towards destruction, we can actually point them in the right direction, and they can heed that instruction. And that's what this report shows is that young people are for a variety of reasons, not all religious, but for a variety of reasons, young people are just fed up with the constant homosexual and transgender propaganda, and they're actually moving the other direction. Yeah, and it is really encouraging. It's encouraging to see that this younger generation as well is drinking the least out of any of their, the prior generations that are still currently living, and there has been this turn back to the, the trad or the traditional marriage movement. And so what can we do as Christians to build on this momentum and to encourage

47:25the younger generation that they're actually headed in the right direction, culturally and return to, culturally encouraging the traditional family? Yeah, I think we need to do two things primarily. Obviously, we need to continue calling out the lunacy and the the private, the the the private that is homosexuality, transgenderism, and anything that is outside of God's design for human sexuality, and that includes fortification and adultery. And so this is what we should continue calling out and speaking truth about these harmful life decisions that young people are making that is outside of God's design. And then we need to pair that warning and that message which should resonate with anyone and everyone regardless of their belief or their politics. We need to pair that with God's design. So not only warned about the harms of what they're currently doing and what our culture has been pushing, but we also got to show them what the right way is.

48:26And so we've got to restore a culture of marriage and family between a man and a woman, because that's how we're going to save Western civilization. When you look at all the studies, you look at all the reports, you look at all the issues that we face in government and culture and entertainment economically, all of this at the end of the day, boils down to a degradation of the nuclear family. And if we can begin to rebuild that, I think we can begin shipping away and all other issues in our culture. Well said, Walker Wildman. So well said, we can't just say, what they shouldn't be doing, we need to point to the truth and say, here's the alternative and this is what God's design is for human flourishing and liberty. Well said, as always, you can reach me and my team, Jenna at AFR.net. Preborn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion. And every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join preborn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis?

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