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0:00A solid wide receiver too. I was predicting a JSN like year three breakout and Wamp Wamp on me Wamp Wamp on the entire Chargers organization. Hey I'm Liz Losa this is Facts vs Feelings and today's fact is that while misery does love company company often eases misery. Hey Daniel Dopp I love to see your face but I'm so bummed that we're not in the same room right now. Yeah me too. I love seeing your face as well Liz Losa but soon I will see you you'll be back here. We'll be doing more shows together. But I miss you right now. I miss you right now too but also right now I'm in the business of misery so let's take

1:02it from the top Liz Losa Trevor Lawrence did me dirty this last week as a fantasy manager who rostres him and started him there was one specific play that really sticks in my crawl right now if you know what I'm saying. Yeah that kneel down at the one yard line with a minute. So by the way I don't know if this will make you feel any better but had he actually plunged over the goal line and scored that touchdown then his fantasy points per game average would be 19.3 which is very close to the career high 19.9 fantasy points per game that he managed in 2025. Did that work is that was that a balm for your soul at all? No what could have and should have been did not make me feel better Liz now but what about here in week four I mean are we thinking that something could have or should have been better here in week four for him? Well you know we have to find silver linings right and obviously the quarterback position has been decimated Trevor Lawrence while not necessarily the prince that was promised can be a solid stream in week four facing a vulnerable Bengals defense.

2:05He has averaged over 17 fantasy points per game he's thrown seven touchdowns in three games he's managing a career high completion percentage of 67% and I like this part even more a career low off target rate of just 9%. Mention the Bengals defense yeah they've gotten a little bit better but they are also averaging 287 passing yards per game gifted to opposing quarterbacks. I have Lawrence ranked inside my top 10 fantasy players the position for week four. I am with you on that this week and hoping that things continue in that direction with these pass catchers. A pass catcher I'm not really excited about the direction they're going lad freaking Maconkey pretty sure that's his middle name my buddy might call them bad Macdonkey. He's not been good so far to start the season the entire chargers offense hasn't been good but he was one of the guys that we were definitely counting on to be a steady wide receiver to at least in our offense as a fantasy manager now he draws the Seattle sea hawks this

3:06week Liz what are we doing? A solid wide receiver to I was predicting a JS and like year three breakout and Wamp on me Wamp Wamp on the entire chargers organization lad freaking Maconkey to quote you has a total of 15 targets this season he's the wide receiver 45 in looks drawn now I know there was a rib injury in there as well but the fact of the matter is like what makes him so frustrating is that when you look at the strong armed Justin Herbert and the sure handed lad Maconkey and the opportunities in which they've been able to connect there has been flashes of what could be right like right now lad Maconkey is managing an eight out of 13 and a catch rate of 80% those two things in tandem however are not sustainable because over the past 10 seasons no wide receiver with a catch rate of 75% or more has managed an eight out of 13.6 or more so until this offense settles into Mike McDaniel scheme or until Mike McDaniel better schemes

4:13lad for these intermediate routes and grabs for which he was has been known for that he's so good at until the intermediate passing game starts to click and we see Maconkey being used honestly more regularly or like as more of a floor play instead of this constant yolo that excuse me then I think we can like have some consistency but I don't know when that's going to happen I don't think you can drop him though because the talent is there the potential is there and that's evident I do think however and given this match up at Seattle it's easy to bench him I have him ranked as my wide receiver 30 so I'm not even really that interested in flexing him unless I have to I am with you I like and I don't I don't mind if I have to flex him because I drafted him to be that wide receiver if I don't have someone on my bench he's probably going to be the best or most skilled guy that could deliver me fantasy points however like you just said if I've got someone that's gone off then I do not mind benching him and throwing someone else in there you

5:17said he's got 15 targets so far this season is that what you said yeah yeah over three games let's talk about Michael Wilson who I believe at 17 targets last week alone Liz Lose like this is the kind of guy that I would be benching lad mcconkey for yeah you know the maza rady morphed into a minivan and Michael Wilson moved into the driver seat the volume has been insane 17 targets last week were three more than any player has had in a single game this season also maybe we should have and less stubborn about this actually happening because Wilson has averaged 10.8 targets per game and over 19 fantasy points as a result per game since week 11 over that span of time though Marvin Harris and junior has managed just 20 targets just 20 so the promotion is real I don't need to see anything more Wilson to me is a top 25 play particularly against a banged up giant

6:17secondary yeah I am with you 100% on that they paid this guy a bunch of money for a reason and now it feels like he is going to be the wide receiver one as they have moved on essentially from Marvin Harris and junior but hey before you guys move on please do us a favor don't forget to like and subscribe to this video it helps us a ton it helps other people be able to find it it means a lot to us and make sure that you call us and leave us a voice mail the voice mail line is open 323 391 485 5 leave us your instagram handle when you do so we can give you a shout out to let you know you made the show Instagram teen accounts come with automatic protections that limit who can contact teens the content they can see and the time they spend on the app learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com slash teen accounts Tt hockey on ESPN is blowing up hockey is back so what does it look like now the kids here's

7:18celebrating shaper that's hockey ovean grasping that's hockey and with access to over a thousand out of market games you can watch them and the rest of the league holy hockey that's more hockey to love for more fans who love it the NHL's best on ESPN watch all season long on ABC ESPN ESPN plus and the ESPN app. What? Oh what are you talking about man? Lizlosa nobody is more perennially confused at this network than I am so we decided only into it and we made a segment called make it make sense because we're three weeks into the football season and this last week in week three case kingdom was a top five fantasy quarterback. I don't understand what's happening in this game that we play Liz I got a bunch of things that I got questions about I'm hoping you brought a bunch of things to the table maybe we can just do a little therapy session back and forth with each other how does that sound well I love the way you position this because sometimes surprises are happy and I do think Jared goff

8:19has been one of those I did not anticipate over the summer where we were talking on and on about how deep the quarterback position was though we did often suggest people draft two that Jared goff would be the QB seven in fantasy points per game averaging nearly 22 and now Jared goff given the injuries to the position and the fact that Drake may and Justin Herbert have both flat out stunk is in a streaming position you should like this as a lion's fan because Jared goff is the only quarterback over the past three seasons to open the year with three straight games of 25 completions and two or more passing touchdowns he also has more touchdowns seven than in completions five in the red zone this season and he has a plum matchup against the panthers who gave up two touchdowns to Dishon Watson make that make sense so I think that you can consider Jared goff a low and a QB one for fantasy purposes this week in the QB 10 to QB 12 range.

9:23I am with you on that list the only quarterback over the last three seasons to have at least 4500 passing yards and 30 passing touchdowns in each of those three seasons. Liz I did think that there was going to be a little bit of regression and I think you did too around Jalen hurts this year with the Russian specifically and that regression was going to impact us in fantasy he wasn't a high end a top tier QB one he was the very end of that tier one quarterback conversation I'm not even sure he belongs in the tier one conversation anymore because even though his rushing has regressed I kind of thought it was going to go to Saekwon Barkley and then it didn't really it hasn't gone to Saekwon the way that I thought it was it really hasn't gone anywhere he has not topped nine fantasy points and either of his healthy games so far this year he did leave game two with the stinger right so he has only played two full games but he has not topped 15 carries in either of those two games and he has only had one catch in both of those two healthy games as well he's surprising part wow and with AJ Brown off the squad you would think that

10:26Barkley's dual threat skill set would be more utilized but also the Eagles are not closing games right they lost in week three against the bears it was tight against the Titans it was tight against the commanders this is not a team that is definitive and I think therefore game script how are we saying this game script is not going Saekwon Barkley's way you would think a a player with the sort of receiving ability that he has would not be game script dependent but he is because right now I mean I think you're saying he's touchdown dependent which makes him not too different frankly than David Montgomery no I mean that's basically what he has become he has zero touchdowns this year and he has three catches that is very David Montgomery ask the problem is this week Liz they play the Rams you want to know how many touchdowns the Rams have allowed you running back so far this year I know the answer and it's zero it's zero and so if we need touchdowns from Saekwon it feels like maybe this isn't the week to get it I don't know how you bench him but he's at best like a mid to low end RB two he's not the guy that we thought he was no I

11:28totally agree that is disappointing where do you have him ranked I've got him I believe as running back 16 this week and that's probably generous because he's Saekwon Barkley right it's because his name is Saekwon Barkley if he wasn't Saekwon Barkley and I looked at the box scores there's no way he would be in that conversation agreed agreed yeah what about you what's the next one you got for me well you know I like to do a little whispering to the tight ends and though I promised myself on Sunday night that I was not going to do this when I dug into Deer and Waller's numbers I have to put him on the streaming radar I can't believe like what alternate universe am I in I didn't even think stranger things was still a show it's so tilting the Daniel Dopp has just left the the premise is but I will continue on Deer and Waller his eight targets last week led the team now obviously Jalen coaker wasn't available but coaker still dealing with a quad issue so there's no reason to that Waller won't see volume again in week four also his snap share has increased every single

12:33week 34% 43% 49% he already has multiple end zone targets this season in fact the only tight ends with more juan jones and traimac bride and sam la porta see faces the lions this week Daniel definitely doesn't want to come back to hear this part Detroit's defense has allowed five different tight ends to hit 13 fantasy points or more they've also given up a touchdown to six different tight ends so dear waller is firmly and so shockingly on the streaming radar thank you for the list next time if you would give me a trigger warning I would really appreciate I didn't need to be here for this I just let you do it not gonna just walk away no it'd been fine I think that this year's Detroit Lions are the 2025 Cincinnati Bengals the way that they were a tight end funnel last season it kind of feels like through the first three games at least that is what it has looked like for the Detroit Lions with neither of their safeties back Brian branch and Kirby Joseph being bad like it's I'm not sure it gets better anytime soon Liz so until things change I'm starting every tight

13:38end against the Lions which means Darren Waller is one of them oh I'm so mad about it can I ask you about another tight end though because I feel like I am a little bit I think I might have gotten Isaiah likelihood again and I told myself I wasn't gonna get Isaiah likelihood again and then I did it I let myself buy into the hype that was Isaiah likely John Harboh bringing him over from the Ravens I loved that gonna be a real option for Jackson Dart I loved that didn't have to hide behind Mark Andrews anymore I loved that and then he has week one 26 some fantasy points all things we love oh it's like we did this we call this obviously and then week two 8.3 fantasy points and then we three three three three fantasy points and I'm like I've read this story before yeah Liz here's a thing the points are going the wrong direction but the snap share is going the right direction only 49% of the snaps in week one 69% of the snaps in week two that's nice 84% of the snaps in

14:43week three is this just his quarterbacks are bad right now or is this more about Isaiah likely Isaiah likely in us again for like the third straight year in fantasy no I think this is an offense with a coordinator that is not good outside of less predictable situations Matt Niggie you know when he's in Kansas City with Andy Reid he does quite well take him out of that situation Chicago and he flails and now the giants have been faced with a definitely unforeseen challenge the offense has to completely change the tricky thing and the most frustrating thing I think is that you would imagine the tight end position would kind of be the least affected because we know they frequently work as what a safety valve over the middle but that's not been the case I don't think that you can drop likely I still have him ranked inside my top 10 this week versus Arizona I like him more for instance than like Hunter Henry or something so I think you have to just plan for the floor

15:45which is going to be about eight points and then if you get lucky and things start to change congratulations yeah I feel like I'm wish casting Isaiah likely to be a tight end one because there's so much scar tissue from previous seasons where I've seen the same narrative work out they're like okay I'm gonna start a miss a tight end one for one more week but I reserve the right to change my mind next week if things don't look better for me Liz Losea well that is why this game is a compilation of facts and feelings both equally important Instagram teen accounts come with automatic protections that limit who can contact teens the content they can see and the time they spend on the app learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com slash teen accounts this is us banks cozy cash formations with your chief financial plan maker for Nando Mendoza you

16:46are worthy of financial security budgeting is now restriction it's freedom you are smart you are capable you are giving your money a purpose you are learning the language of saving of growing now streaming member FDIC copyright 2026 us bank this is a safe place it's a place where we can feel free sharing our feelings well Daniel if we are looking at the heavens and screaming make it make sense we have to feel as though other people are doing the same so let's get straight into fantasy therapy what are the submissions so far this week yeah we're gonna dive into your DMs first one is at Allah sin can I stream Kurt cousins against the chiefs at quarterback this week I also roster Justin Herbert Liz that's where we have gotten really for would you play cousins so I understand that cousins

17:51has been uncharacteristically good just scoring touchdown after touchdown week after week but I don't like this matchup against Kansas City the chiefs defense has allowed just two passing scores so far this season they've also got the third fewest passing yards what is up must eventually come down and I do think that will be cousins this week I understand wanting to sit Herbert we've talked about quarterback throughout this show especially at Seattle if you could stream I would recommend Kyler Murray he is rostered in about 60% of leagues if you need someone who's more available might I recommend Marcus Mariota he is available and I believe 80% of leagues currently yeah I am with you on that one Liz I would rather play Mariota than either Kurt cousins or Justin Herbert this week if they were on the roster yeah I think she's on the way but why are all right our buddy J-man from the rolling hills trying to get his team out of the gutter here with the voicemail hey this is Jason I'm calling from the beautiful black hills of South Dakota I'm calling more for a pep talk

18:54than anything I'm in a super flex league among my team members are Justin Herbert Drake May Drake London and Colston loved ones and Quinty on Judkins needles to say I am getting absolute destroyed so I just need you to tell me that everything's gonna be okay and that these guys who are also supposed to be pretty good are gonna pick it up thanks appreciate it and I do not have an Instagram handle that's probably for the best um I I think Jason what I would do first is probably walk outside taking the view of those gorgeous black hills maybe put on a little bit of Marley every little thing man is gonna be okay because even though you're in a super flex league and probably need both of those quarterbacks who are absolutely tanking there are streamable options available we talked about them throughout the show I think you got to dig in and do a little

19:56bit of work there and also find some silver linings right like Drake London had a quarterback change and bounced back a little bit Quinty on Judkins we knew it was a volume plays currently the RB 17 in Russia temps Colston loved land I get the frustration I get the frustration and also Ben Johnson clearly making a concerted effort to get him the ball you rank second on the team in routes run he has the most end zone targets on the squad so it will happen this is an offense in flux but that was able to stand up to the challenge and appear not just you know stable but victorious just like your squad man I want you to think of yourselves as the week three Chicago Bears on prime time using a dusty quarterback that you didn't even think was gonna be in the rotation and bounce back how about that for a pep talk that was really good Liz I really appreciate

21:02your positivity Jason is probably not going to be all right your team is probably some but I love what Liz just brought to the table let's just be real I mean come on don't give up on fantasy football though bro you keep you keep grinding while you can we got another question Collins J 1967 okay I got Khalil Shakir and Romeo dobs at the flex would you start either of those or Brenton Strange and Kyle Menunguy either one of those as well oh so you're gonna get like eight fantasy points here right like if you start Shakir or dobs I would have to start Shakir because I want the option that is attached to the better quarterback and the healthier offense but I also wouldn't do it if I didn't have to because wall strange has theoretically a good match up against the Bengals Kaya Menunguy has a better one and more upside against the Jets now I know his efficiency is waned over the past three weeks we don't love that but Menunguy could get you eight fantasy points like these other guys or he could get you 18 particularly and again in a matchup

22:04against the Jets have that have allowed four touchdowns of the running back position two on the ground and two through the air that would be the upside play and the one I would take among these four yeah Jameer just got in the end zone three times against that Jets defense so I'm with you on that list have you ever been to South by Southwest the festival oh no but I would love to go I went to Austin for the Grompri almost a year ago now in October of 2025 and I had the time of my life I fell in love with Austin was my first time there why is this caller from Austin this caller is from Austin Texas that's why oh let's hear from him okay first and foremost I love you guys oh you got I listen to you probably more than daily I'm probably on repeat twice wow there's be honest my name is Joey from Austin Texas my ID handle is underscore Joe underscore high underscore roller underscore four four underscores yo de hi roll uh we're fast if anyone gets that reference anyway

23:07to the football how am I feeling about they flower they flowers I feel good about it is my god like we saw what he did in week one right yeah we saw what he did yeah do I sell high on Zay flowers am I losing my mind is he gonna get hurt again that's a different question Liz I can't answer that but I should you sell I on Zay flowers I mean for what are you going to sell hi he's already a wide receiver one for fantasy purposes he managed five catches and cleared 80 receiving yards on weird turf conditions and on a limited snap count in week three and now Jesse Minter has said he's gonna be a full go in week four he is the team's undisputed number one he's been electric like I don't I want the best players on my team and he hasn't mentioned a different position of need that he would want to upgrade with a potential trade so I think as much as I adore you Joey and as much as I would love to see Austin through your eyes I would sit in a little space

24:11of gratitude here yeah I also love you to Joey baby but listen if I've got Zay flowers on my squad I'm just gonna be in on it all right that is a very condensed fantasy offense you're talking about Zay flowers and Derek Henry and the March accent it's not like there's a lot of other past catchers there I actually like that if I have a wide receiver that is the majority of the going to be the guy majority of the time I want that dude so I'm in I'm keeping Zay flowers like Liz but I do want to make a field trip out to Austin some day Liz maybe we can go make that happen oh that'd be fun yeah all right I got one last question here this one last one comes from our producer Ryan oh that's right our producer Ryan lost to me this week in fantasy football because the Denver Broncos had a pick six at the end of the game do you remember that pick six that meant basically nothing but it meant something to me and it definitely meant something to Ryan unfortunately Liz yeah the best part about this is that Ryan very intelligently played the Minnesota Vikings defense and I think this is the only match up that Brian Flores lost yeah yeah he was really nice week except for in Ryan's line

25:16up sorry about that big guy better days ahead hey who says defenses don't win fantasy games well in case you guys missed it we had a pretty exciting unique segment last week so Luke this is Jess this is Luke it's nice to meet you it's nice to meet you Jess I don't think either one of you should leave in fact I think you should both meet up with your mutual friend groups this coming Sunday at that silver lake bar that is a Lions bar that I will not drop the name of for your own you know private reasons mm-hmm what do you guys think yeah yeah yeah yeah so Jess and Luke did meet up I actually went to the Lions bar to be with them and we had a great time we watched your Lions win we watched Jameer gave absolutely crushed and everybody you know it was one of the

26:19coolest parts everybody had their phones out checking their fantasy scores so there was definite second screen experience happening a lot of people stopped me and wanted lineup advice a lot of people upset about Justin Herbert and Quinch on Judkins I got numerous questions but the bar was very inviting they sat next to each other in a booth and the conversation was sparkling they asked about you Luke was very complimentary of you you are beloved amongst a Lions fan so you were there with me in spirit for sure I love that I wish I could have been there I got to ask you how much Lions knowledge did Luke have because he came across like a fan that actually knew quite a bit about football I mean what was interesting was he did tell my friend who's a professional hairdresser in Los Angeles a city that does hair regularly um that he got a new haircut but didn't want to not wear his lucky Lions hat so purposely covered it what I appreciated most was that these

27:21were two before this moment strangers who were open to possibility who you know we're just like stunned at what the universe presented them and went for it and like maybe this is a rom come in the making or maybe this is nothing more than an awesome story but kudos to people like staying open and just you know not just being factual all the time but giving some of those feelings some real credence today we learned that while Trevor Lawrence may not be the prince that was promised at least Justin Herbert investors can find refuge in the pleasant surprise that is Jared Goff and that often commiseration can provide catharsis be sure to check out my week four edition of facts versus feelings the column which is currently live on the dot com and leave us a voicemail we want all of your cashouts crash outs and week four lineup questions the number to call is 323 391 4855

28:27until next time may your facts be solid your feelings be right and your bus be someone else's problem Daniel Dup I'm in LA you're in Bristol and I miss you I miss you too Liz but listen hmm I'm moved over that real quick I miss you too but anyway