Inside Epstein’s Earliest Florida Victim's Account (3/2/26) (Part 3) (3/2/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up, where we left off, with Michelle Pagan and her interview, with one of the survivors, during the initial investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, down in Florida. Pagan, so you're in the kitchen area what happens next? Answer from the survivor, we were waiting there, we were talking, just about how cool the was. I'm like, oh my gosh, I've never been in a house like this. And then the lady and the man came in, Jeff I'm pretty sure, like 90% positive. And he walked in, he was like in a t-shirt and pants, not pants, but you know like maybe, like kind of dressy. And he was like hello, he's like hi Haley. And then he said hi to me, and then he said hi to the girl. He knew the girl, and he knew Haley, but then he said, I don't remember your name. But the girl was like, oh she's like, I know that he didn't remember her, but he knew her, do you know what I mean?

1:03Pagan, uh-huh, answer. He didn't remember her name, but he knew she was. And then she's like, oh hi, and she's like, who are you? And I'm like, I'm redacted. And then he's like, okay, well then follow my, I don't remember the lady's name, but she, he said follow her, redacted upstairs. So she's like, come on, and then we walked upstairs, and I thought, she gets interrupted by Pagan by herself, answer, yes. I thought that Haley, because she said that she was going to get paid, so I thought Haley and the girl was going to get paid in like, you know, like private privacy, and cause it was just him and her and the other girl in the kitchen. And so I went upstairs, and as I was walking upstairs, there was a picture of him in like a different country. And then I'm like, that's really cool, and the lady said, isn't it? And she was just walking upstairs, and there was like a door, and then it was like to a little inaudible, this big, and it had a couch, and a couch, and it was like another

2:05walkway towards that way. And then walked towards, like keeping walking forward, and then to my right, and there was a bedroom. And then we turned right again, and there was a bathroom, a big, it was humongous. And the bathroom, it wasn't like a bathroom bathroom, it was like a sitting area with the shower there, humongous shower, like a Julian people could fit in the shower. And then it was humongous, and there was like a door here, and you opened it, and there was like a little desk with paper and pads and stuff. And I don't know, inaudible, like sitting on the couch right here, like against my, there is this big, long couch, and it was pink and green, hot pink and green. And there, cut off again by Pagan, the room or the sofa. After the sofa, Pagan, okay, answer, and there's a table with a phone on it, and during when I was giving him a massage, he made a phone call, but I don't remember whether he just said, like, he said four words and hung up. Yeah, I don't remember, Pagan, but the lady, so you were upstairs, and you're sitting

3:07down in the ladies there, what she doing, answer, oh, she's well, there is a closet right here with a table in it, like the massage table, Pagan, near the sofas, answer, yes, like a door on each side and on towards the door, there's a door for the table. She took that out, and there's like a safe, and then she put it in the middle. It's this way, like long ways, and then she put like, put like cloth over it, but she's looking around the room, I guess, just a look, like she was remembering something, I guess like where the lotion was, and there are like pictures of like naked girls on the walls, and there was like, there was like one big mural of naked girls like butts, and then towards the door, there was like a cabinet here, like a built-in thing, like an audible, and there's draws in it, and she opened the last drawer, and there was a whole bunch of lotions, like millions and millions of kinds of lotion, and she picked up three kinds of lotions, and put them on like an arm-war kind of thing with a mirror, and then she said it there.

4:09And then after she told me, sit here for five minutes, like just sit here, and eventually he came in, and was like, hi, I'm Jeff, and I'm like, hi, and he's like, I'll be right back, you can take your clothes off, and then he left, and there's a bedroom out there, and he just went out there, and I don't know, but there's like pictures out there. I think I don't remember he took off his clothes and put a towel on him, but I don't know if there was a towel thing back there, because it's like, I don't remember. Question, did he undress in front of you? Answer? No, he didn't, but he took his towel off in front of me. Answer or question? Okay, so he came back in. Answer? Yeah. He came back into the room, and he was begone, were you dressed? Answer? I was in a bra, and he said, no, I meant get naked. And then I was, I went like that, and he was, you can keep your bra and underwear on, but get down to your bra and underwear, so I took off my pants, because he was real stern about it, like take off your pants. And then I just took off my pants, and then he laid down on the table, but like after

5:13he was laying on the table, he took off the towel just enough, you know, like you could see. Pagan, did you see him naked? Answer? Yes, I did. And it was disgusting. Pagan, I don't mean to, I know maybe it's disgusting, but can you describe him? Did he have any marks? Tattoos? Was he hairy? Answer? Yes, he was really very hairy on his chest and his back and towards, okay, I don't mean to sound gross, but Pagan, no, say it, the way you would say if you were speaking to one of your best friends, answer, okay, Pagan, an audible answer, okay, he was laying on his belly side, so his butt was like up, and there was like, he had a very hairy back all the way to here, and then there was just like a hairy butt line going down to his butt. Pagan, okay, answer is so gross, okay, then Pagan, did you see in front of him? Answer? Yeah, because he got off the table. He like turned this way, so everything showed towards me, and then he got off, and then

6:13he went and whacked off, and then he came back in, but he was very hairy on his chest area, and I just look like for one second, and it was very, very disgusting, okay, that's all I have to say about that. Pagan, do you know what it means? And I have to ask you because there are some people that don't, to be circumcised? Answer? No, I don't, I don't really know, but I think he was on steroids because he was a built guy, and his weeny was very tiny. Pagan, his wewy, was very tiny, answer, yes, question, and when you mean wewy, you mean what? Answer his penis, Pagan, yes, his penis, okay. Answer? Yes, his penis. Pagan, people will call it different things, all right, I just wanted to make sure we know, okay, he laid down, he took off his towel, and he laid down. Answer? He laid down on the, she gets cut off by Pagan, did he take the towel completely off, or just open it? Answer? No, completely off. Pagan, okay, where did he put the towel?

7:15Answer on the floor, right like the table underneath. Question? Okay, so he laid down, took off the towel, what happened next? Answer, and then he's like at the lotion, so I grabbed the lotion, which I had to lock almost naked, but I was in like a thong, so yeah, my butt was showing, and he, the table is like, I mean, the sink was, you know, the lotions were right there, and I was over here, and he was like, go get the lotions, just so I could walk past him with my butt showing to get the lotions, so I go get the lotions, and he's like, okay, like this lotion, and then I took the lotion, and he's like squirted on your hands, and then massage clockwise on my back, because I didn't know how to do it, and then he's like telling me where he would like the massage here and here, the right to the left, down more, up more, so I was just massaging, and he turned and started having a conversation, oh, what happened to Haley, and I'm like, an audible, my ex-boyfriend, an audible, what's your boyfriend's name, Zach, and he was kind of questioning me, and then he said, he's

8:17like, could you stop, I need to go, and I just stopped, and I'm like, okay, he got off the table, he put the towel over him, he bent down, got the towel, and then he left the room, and you could hear him like, you know, you could obviously tell what he was doing, just like, question, I don't, I won't look at you, but do what he was doing, what you heard, I know it's kind of embarrassing, answer, he was making sex noises, you know, like, I don't, they were very strange noises, that's all I can say. Question, okay, answer, I don't know how to describe them, they were very strange. Question, can you imitate them, answer, I don't, I don't want to make a fool of myself. And you won't, you're not making a fool of yourself, you know, it might say it's sex noises, he may say I was singing, answer, okay, he was like, then MP cuts her off, Picon cuts her off, I won't look at you, go ahead, so they go through all of it, she talks about, she says, yes, groaning noises, that's it, okay, that was really embarrassing,

9:19it really was. He was making those kinds of noises, and then he walked back into the room, took off his towel again, laid back down on the thing, and then he wanted the same kind of massage, what he was like, oh, use your, an audible a little bit more. Question, you were massaging his back, answer, yeah, and then he's like, could you turn over for a second, go back out of the room, he turned over and he said, okay, please massage my boobs, and then I was massaging his boobs, and he's like, he's like, oh, like, as I was doing it, as I was massaging, he was making the same noises again, like, oh my god, it's so embarrassing to do this. But gone, I won't look, answer, he was going, oh, making those noises, and like five minutes after that, he then he turned back around and he started touching himself, and I think the massage was like half an hour, because I don't know the time I think it was a half an hour to 45 minutes, and then I was done. And then he, I think he was like, save somewhere, because around us, he didn't have his wallet

10:21or something, because right when we got out the door, he left to go put the towel on again, and he put the towel on again and went out of the room, and he goes, you can put your clothes back on, so I put my clothes back on, and he walked right out there, like two seconds, and then comes back like within two seconds, and he's like, here's your money, and then he gave me $300 in $100 bills, and they were like brand new, because they had like one crease in them, and that's when they folded in half. And he said, thank you for your time, and then he left. And he said, you can see your way out, and as I was walking, and I got lost, because there are so many different rooms, and I got lost, and walked back downstairs, and Haley was just smiling and giggling like, I guess it was what the lady was saying, and then she looked at me, and she looked back at the lady, and she's like, the lady is like, oh, buy Haley, because it was time to go, because I guess because I was done. And then when we left the same way we came in, and then Haley is like, oh my gosh, Haley goes, did you like it, like, how much did he give you, how much did he pay you, and

11:24I'm like 300, and I was kind of like 300, Haley, because the girl was like this, she was looking at me really weird, the other girl that was with her. She like was really quiet though, and then she just looked at me really weird, like she's trying to gaze into my eyeballs, and then we went into the car, and we got in the car, Haley's like, let me see what he gave you, and then I showed her my $300, and she was like, we're going to Marshall's, and then give me back my money, and I put it in my back pocket. And then she was trying to get me to describe what happened, so I told her what happened, and she's like, you could do this every Saturday, he's like, so rich. And I was just kind of like, yeah, we could. And then she put the music on, and then when we were leaving, the lady was walking outside an eye and audible, one of the cars really fast, but she was going to the passenger seat, and she opened the door, and then closed it. A gun, what did Haley's friends say? Did she say anything about it? She was like, interest didn't what happened, like when we were talking, we like got into

12:26the conversation, and she was like giggling and laughing, like I think I wouldn't say I mean, I don't know, inaudible, or not, but she was acting surprised, you know, like giggling. She was just like giggling and laughing along with Haley, and then Haley goes on, and then when I was giving the guy the massage, she goes, I know, Haley, she's been working with me for a long time. And then when I came back downstairs, Haley goes, you only paid me 200, so Pagan, he liked you better, answer, I don't know. All right. So we're going to wrap up this episode right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off all of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. I don't know, I don't know.