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hear your first. That's Shopify.com. Slash Shapiro. Most discussions of Karl Marx began at the very end. They began with communism, the Soviet Union, hundreds of millions of dead bodies, or somebody online demanding free health care. But Marx starts with a theory of history. They have theory still shapes American politics, most clearly in the democratic socialist of America. Also parts of the populist right these days. The DSA's current national program doesn't describe America as a sound country in the midst of a political experiment with economic and political problems to solve. Instead, it says the capitalism is THE problem. It says the enemy is not merely a bad employer or a corporation, but the entire global market system. The DSA's basic structure is, of course, Marxist. To understand why, we need about 30 seconds on a German philosopher named Georg Hegel. Hegel believed societies contain internal contradictions, conflicts between their ideals and how they actually operate. Eventually, those conflicts produce a struggle and that transforms the existing order. So the idea is thesis, one idea, antithesis, the opposite, synthesis. That process changed
produced by conflict inside a system is called the dialectic. So Marx just stole that basic idea, but then changed what drove it. So Hegel suggested that ideas in human consciousness played the central role. For Marx, the main driver was material life itself, who owns property, who controls production, who works for whom, and how the wealth is divvied up. Marxists called this dialectical materialism. Materialism means the conflict is not rooted in ideas, it's rooted in economic and physical conditions. So, under free markets, Marx sees the central conflict as a struggle between two classes. It's the bourgeois, the people who own the productive property, factories, large businesses, machinery, capital, and the proletarian. The people who don't own enough productive property to support themselves, and so they have to sell their ability to work for wages. The DSA, of course, uses that updated language. Its program usually says bosses and the billionaire class versus the workers, but the structure is the same. Society is organized around a conflict between the people who control capital and the people who are their wage slaves. Marx argued that this economic structure shapes a society's laws, politics, and dominant ideas. If you defend private
property, for example, Marxists will argue that capitalist society trained you to see private property as natural. Your brain was injected with false consciousness because of the system in which you live. Your disagreement with them becomes evidence for their theory of the world. This is why Marxism is not really a great political theory because it's very difficult to disprove. In fact, they make it purposefully non-disprovable. But you can test some of the propositions of Marxism and show that those are false. So if every failed prediction is redefined as another stage of the same theory, the theory has stopped explaining evidence and started protecting itself from the evidence. So one of the ideas of Marxism is alienation. Marx argued that workers become separated from what they produce, from control over their work, from other people, and finally from their own human potential. The DSA says the same thing. Their program imagines worker-controlled labor, a 32-hour work week with full pay, a society in which housing, healthcare, food, education, energy, transportation are treated as common goods that magically appear rather than profit-making businesses. And that sounds nice because it begins with a real desire because, of course, we want all those things. Security,
control, meaning, and the stuff. Marx, however, connects alienation to wage labor and private property itself. So the worker creates something controlled by somebody else. That product adds to the owner's capital. The growing capital gives the owner greater control over the conditions of employment. Marx describes alienating labor and private property as a cycle. You alienate your labor. That produces private property, private property, then reproduces alienation. The DSA says the same thing when they say that ordinary workplace reforms aren't enough, and that workers have to gain control over the means of production. But ownership of the final product is not the only source of meaning. A surgeon is not owned, a repaired artery, an architect is not owned the building that he sells. A teacher does not own what a student learns. In fact, most of what we produce is consumed by other people. The relevant questions are whether people have agency mobility and freedom of association. Can you change jobs or negotiate or save or acquire property or start businesses of your own? Make choices with your own labor and get paid for things you do. Capitalism can't make every job meaningful because literally no system can. A lot of meaningless jobs under communism. But capitalism does allow people to make choices without obtaining
political permission from some commissar somewhere. Socialism promises you. You will have freedom to choose, but in reality you will be told by someone how to work, when to work, and what to work for. Now we reach the communist manifesto. Marx and his collaborator Frederick Engels, who is actually a significantly better writer, reject the possibility that capitalism can remain stable. They say that ownership will become increasingly concentrated and society will divide more sharply between owners and workers. That the workers will become emisorated, the owners will become very rich, and eventually there will be a class war. The DSA says the same thing today. Their program argues that billionaires and major corporations have so much economic power that the existing political system doesn't represent workers fairly. Now the truth they won't cop to is that the same person can be an employee, a homeowner, or a retirement account investor, a future business owner, a consumer. That's all within the American dream. Now Marx's major economic argument appears in DOS Copital. It begins with a labor theory of value. So Marx didn't originate the labor theory of value. It appears as early as David Ricardo and Adam Smith, but the basic idea is that things are valuable because of how much work was put into it. This is a dumb idea. According to Marx,
a product has to be useful, and its value is connected to what he calls the socially necessary labor time. So that means the average time required to produce something under normal condition. So if most people can build a chair into hours, taking 20 hours does not make your chair 10 times as valuable. Marx then takes that value and he distinguishes it from market price. So market prices can go up, they can go down, but that's not the real value, the real value is the labor value. This distinction matters because a common rebuttal does not work. A bottle of water can cost far more in an evacuation zone than in a supermarket, even though it contains precise through the same amount of labor. But Marx already knew temporary scarcity could move market prices away from the underlying value. So he says that the water example wouldn't disprove his theory. But the stronger criticism is that modern economics does not require a separate substance called labor value underneath prices. Prices are an agreement. What you're willing to pay and what I'm willing to sell a thing for. That is what a price is. Prices can be explained through supply, demand, consumer preference, scarcity, available alternatives, production costs, expectations, Marx has to show why socially necessary labor adds some element that is essential to the explanation
of how much things cost. Well, the Marxists, they talk in warm and fuzzy terms, and then of course, kill pretty much everyone. But here is the thing. If God forbid, something were to happen to you, you need to make sure that your family is taken care of. And we live in a free society, which means you can get the life insurance you need. Head on over to policy genius. It's a free online marketplace where you can compare quotes from some of America's top insurers side by side, so you can find an affordable policy that meets your needs. Their license team helps you understand coverage amounts, prices, and terms. They answer your questions, handle the paperwork, and advocate for you throughout the process. Policy genius also has thousands of five star views on Google and Trust Pilot from customers who found the right policy fit. With policy genius, you can find 20-year life insurance policies starting at just $276 bucks a year from million dollars in coverage. Head on over to policygenius.com slash Shapiro to compare life insurance quotes from top companies and see how much you could save again. That's policygenius.com slash Shapiro. Go check them out right now. It is just an inevitability that something will happen to you, but your family at least can be taken care of financially if you get the right life insurance policy genius will make that happen
for you. Go check them out a fast and easy way right now. Policygenius.com slash Shapiro to get started. It's policygenius.com slash Shapiro. Now, why does that become important? Well, it becomes important because Marks says that there's a labor value to an object, and then there's the expropriative profit that a capitalist arrives from your labor. So if you took two hours to make the chair, that's the labor value. And now the capitalist who invested in all the machinery and all of the labor takes that chair and sells it at a profit. Profit is just stuff that doesn't need to exist. So according to Marks, workers sell their labor power, meaning their ability to work for a period of time, and that they create more value during that period than they receive in the wages, and the difference is the profit. And the owner keeps it, and that's exploitation. This is the logic behind the DSA's demand for public ownership of major corporations. If private profit represents value taken from workers, then transferring the ownership back to the workers, corrects the injustice. But of course, all of this is bullsh- Production requires more than just labor hours. It requires equipment buildings planning, knowledge, coordination, capital risk, before anyone knows whether customers will even purchase
the finished product. The worker is owed wages for work already performed, though the worker risks unemployment if the company fails. The owner risks bankruptcy. He might lose all his money. Now, Marks doesn't deny that employment agreements can be voluntary, but he argues that even if they are voluntary, exploitation isn't an inherent part of the process because of profit. He would say both sides receiving some benefit does not eliminate exploitation. A worker can prefer a wage to an employment while still producing surplus value for the owner. Now, the normal, free market reply is that this conclusion would only follow if labor were the source of all new value, and if everything remaining after wages properly belonged to the labor. But that's nonsense. It's not true. Workers, owners, and customers can all gain from the same transaction while contributing to different things. Economists call that a positive sum exchange. One person can benefit without another person suffering an equal loss. It is not zero sum thinking. Marxism is all about zero sum thinking, which is not true in the real world, which is why the stuff that you have is better than the stuff your parents had. Marx and his theory of profit are just falls. Now, Marx's political destination became clearer in the critique of the Gotha program.
Marx describes an early communist society which people received goods according to their contribution followed by a higher stage in which goods were distributed according to need. He envisioned a revolutionary rule by the working class. This is not just a welfare state. You know, like a capitalist country that taxes people and provides some public services, Marx is describing a complete change in who owns and controls productive property. This would require an authority to decide who can own a business, who directs production, and what happens when people decide they don't feel like working today. The DSA calls for public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries. It proposes abolishing the Senate and replacing the president and the Supreme Court with an executive in judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress. It also describes the abolition of the police and prison system as a goal. That's what the organization says about itself. New York Mayor Zorn Mamdani offers a useful example of how DSA politics becomes a governing agenda. He likes to say affordability a lot. Affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability. What that means politically is free buses, universal child care, rent freezes public investment in housing. His plan calls for 200,000 new affordable rent
stabilized homes and preservation of another 200,000 back by a $22 billion five-year capital commitment. Over the next decade, city government will build 200,000 new affordable rent stabilized homes. We will preserve and stabilize an additional 200,000 homes and they will be made possible by historic $22 billion capital investment over five years. But how's he going to achieve all of that? He certainly isn't going to do that in a cost-effective manner. Rent control provides an obvious benefit to the tenant whose rent is controlled. But there's some pretty massive side effects. Like for example, no one will ever build an apartment building again. Tenants will not move. Landlords who cannot afford to cover the expense of upkeep will stop upkeeping the property. One major San Francisco study found that affected landlords reduced rents will supply by selling or converting properties. They're 50,000 vacant units in New York that are rent controlled today because the owners won't rent them why because they would lose money in doing so. So, Zorn Mamdani promises affordability, but the actual goal is simply
social ownership. And this brings us to the so-called horse shoe right. A lot of people on the right have the same exact premises as Marx. The system is rigged, markets are manipulated by finance and large corporations, ordinary citizens have lost meaningful control, we need government interventionism top down. There's a reason that Tucker Carlson has praised feudalism, praised Elizabeth Warren's government led economic patriotism plan. She sounds like Donald Trump at his best. An advocated government restrictions on automation. The overlap also appears in foreign policy because of course the DSA and Communist generally believe that America's foreign policy is exploitative and terrible. Mirroring the Soviet Union, the DSA calls American military power a war machine. Tucker opposes American support for pretty much all defensive action in our own interests. He argues that our foreign policy is driven by donors, corporations, naturally Jews rather than other American voters. Again, in June 2026 he actually withdrew his support from the Republican Party. I would not support the Republican Party, there's no chance I would support the Republican Party. Here is also a reminder that traditional conservatism rests on
constitutional government private property, individual liberty and a strong national defense. It recognizes America's failures without concluding that the entire country or system is fraudulent precisely the opposite. The system is awesome. And sometimes it fails. Sure, the American economy has flaws. Most of them government cause like subsidies and cronism and regulations. We need to fix those things, but those are not problems with private property or free markets. The answer to restrictions on housing is to make fewer restrictions on housing. The answer to distorted markets is more competition and equal treatment under the law. The DSA explicitly seeks permanent public control of major parts of economic life. The horse you write supports targeted government controls over trade technology finance employment and then says all this is necessary because otherwise free markets will destroy you. Both of these movements increasingly asked voters to trust government with more discretionary power. Power exercised through political judgment rather than stable, neutrally applicable law. Marx is enduring appeal is that he promises utopia and that sounds awesome. It is really, really emotionally sustaining. If you fail, it's because
the system failed you. If you succeed, well that's because you probably screwed somebody. If you disagree, it's because the system shaped your brain. Every disappointment receives a villain. Every villain becomes evidence for the theory. The DSA applies that framework directly. The horse you write increasingly borrows parts of that logic. Both promise liberation from distance on a countable power, but both actually risk immediate harsh power over all aspects of your life. And this is the part of Marx most worth understanding because modern political movements are still using his map. And I read Marx so you don't have to. But at least now you know what they're selling.
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