Hunting for Noah's Ark in 2026 (E391)

0:30If you're hearing this, well done, you found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast episode 391, hunting for Noah's Ark in 2026. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Field and Travis View. Jacob Curious, you remember Noah's Ark being discussed much during your religious education? Why would you ask the only two? It was a famous story because it appealed to kids because there were pairs of animals in it. A giant flood, so if you were a morbid and kind of imagined people being washed away, that was something to kind of sort of sink your claws into mentally at least. You know who loves Noah's Ark is for you in cash patella, am I right? Because he's having sex with the animals. Two, he's having sex with pairs of animals. Right, exactly. He's a unicorn in the threesome. Of course, of course. Yeah, so yeah, we are learning about Noah's Ark, but not too much.

1:31I think Noah was a Jew. I had a picture book. I think I read it in a picture book. I think we had a, briefly when I was young, we had one of those illustrated kitty bibles where it was just like the coolest stories like David versus Goliath. I remember Jonah and his whale. Yeah, Jonah and the whale. That's very fun. How is he inside the whale? He's alive in there. And Noah's Ark is always a fun one, you know? It's like they're going to wash away all my enemies and I get to spend time with animals. But then you watch the like Darren Aaron off ski. I think that was, that was who it was. Oh God. Yeah. With the Russell Crowe playing, no one you go, wait a minute. This looks a lot more intense than I was led to believe in the stories. I can't believe that they made that movie. What a beautiful world we live in. Yeah, I think that's generally how they treat like Noah's Ark is a really fun story for kids because it has a big boat and pairs of animals. Yeah, there's a rainbow at the end. A family's working together. Yeah, that's exactly. A family working together. It's very, it's very cute. But then the story kind of fades as you get older and they're like a teenager and maybe

2:33start asking more questions, you know? Yeah, you like like after the arc, how did they not get Habsburg jaw or whatever, you know? How did, how did we have such a small amount of people that were all having sex with each other and we don't, I mean, I guess maybe that's why I have back pain. Yes. If weren't they some kind of family to begin with, they were already maybe kind of, it's not great when you think about the specifics of how it's going to go. Once you end up there with all the animals that are all knowing and all seeing God doesn't really sound like he thought this through. Yeah, that's the real gritty reboot. Like Noah starts eating the animals on board and stuff and develops like a brain parasite. Yeah, my, my theory is that Noah's Ark gives biblical literalists the biggest headaches and to be fair, like biblical literalism is a minority position even in the United States. I saw a Gallup poll that said only 20% of people, 20% of Americans consider themselves biblical literalists. So that's really low actually. I wonder if it's just because Americans don't understand what it means to be biblical

3:34literalists so they're like, I, maybe, no. Yeah. So I mean, it has some problems. Even if you like buy like everything else in Genesis, you can maybe you can even buy the idea that like humanity was started by two people in actual garden of Eden. And maybe you could even get on board with the idea that the diversity of human language is punishment for building the tower of Babel. Which is a good one. But when you tell people that like Noah built a boat that could hold and feed all of the animals on Earth, he's a pair of them each. And then Noah used this to escape 40 days and nights of straight rain which covered the Earth and water for 150 days. Then you know, even the most faithful will start nosing problems with the story. And that's before you even mentioned that Noah was allegedly 600 years old when he boarded this boat. Oh, I didn't realize that. Wait a minute. 600 years old. Yeah. That's like, it seems like Russell Crowe was cast a little young then. Yeah. So life expectancy is actually getting shorter. Well, I mean, yeah, surely you must have, must have, they remembered like, yeah, like

4:37the patriarchs discussed in the book of Genesis lived hundreds of years. Hmm. So Noah is just like an ancient vampire. He's like, I've been alive so long. Well, yeah, I mean, the idea is like for some reason in the like the pre-flood times everyone lived hundreds of years and this stopped being the case after the flood. Yeah, after the flood, we never figured out how to live that long. That's sad that we lost that people stopped taking their college in. I don't know. Yeah. I learned that the medieval Jewish scholar, Dachmanides, all the way back in the 13th century, observed that there is no naturalistic explanation for the story. So here he is with you wrote. It is known that there are great many beasts and some of them, such as elephants, rams and others, are very large. Likewise, creeping things upon the earth are very many. Noah was thus obligated to bring all of them into the ark in order that they may beget their like. If you would gather a full year supply of food for all of them, you would find that this

5:41ark and ten others like it could not hold it. Ah, he's an early Travis Few, he's debunked. Wait a second, pal. The story doesn't check out. Boo, boo, stone this man. Kill this man. He's like, and what were they doing with all of the dung? Yeah, where were they all shitting? God, that boat must have been... Oh, God, it's must have smelled horrible. That's how we got life in the ocean. Micro-organisms from Noah's dung. God, imagine on a windless day, not only do you not have a motor on board, so you're going to be just stuck like in the ocean fucking floating there. But then you got to smell the dung of a thousandths of animals. Yeah, it's like zoo down there. You literally have every size of animal shit happening simultaneously on one boat. This is an unclean place. Can you imagine the kind of virus is birthing there if you got batshit and pig shit and cow shit?

6:41That's probably how we lost the long life. We used to live 600 years, but then we had to survive on animal shit on a boat for 150 days, and all of humanity became crippled with various issues. Yeah, I mean, I love that. The story is like so outlandish that even like a pre-modern religious scholar was like, OK, this doesn't add up. I've done the math, OK? But I should mention that from this, Nakhmanadi doesn't conclude that the arc story didn't happen, rather it was a miracle of small space containing a great quantity. We love to see those miracles they happen in the Bible they do. Well, I gotta say, honestly, I respect this approach so much more than modern creationists, try to like take like literal readings of the Bible and then like try to make them make sense in light of like modern scientific rationality. You know, I relate. Nakhmanadi is like a miracle of small space containing a great quantity. That's what I always say when I'm at the clothing optional beach.

7:42Please don't judge me. Now today, many deeply religious people are content to treat the Noah's Ark tale as some mysterious blend of allegory, divine instruction, and legend. This is essentially the position of the Catholic Church, but there are still those who are committed to the literal reading. Some even make it their life's mission to uncover physical evidence of an actual giant ship built and piloted by Noah. Meanwhile, you're just like finding dinosaur bone after dinosaur bone, like tearing your hair out like God damn it. When will one of these incredible reptiles that will never experience the presence of on earth? When will they give way to a boat? In 2026, the tradition of art hunting is carried on by the organization Noah's Ark scans in its founder Andrew Jones. Andrew Jones, who was a software developed by trade, has been quietly working for decades, trying to find evidence of the Ark. Like Ark hunters before him, he has made multiple trips to the alleged final resting place for the Ark, Mount Errorat in eastern Turkey.

8:42To me, if it is Noah's Ark, then that's a big plus for proving that the Bible is true. We start digging and find just natural layers of rock and dirt down there. It would be very disappointing. I mean, I've looked at this and studied it and investigated it for half my life. Oh my God, it's so to see a shining mind like this, you know, it really makes me think I was born wrong. Like, he's capable of joy. Like, he thinks the world is full of treasures and he might unlock something sacred and fundamental. Like, why don't I feel that way? I am so jealous of that man. I mean, yeah, these sorts of people always baffle me because he's not a stupid person. You know, he had a successful career in building apps and stuff and he's like, you know, he's literate, he can read, but he's so deeply committed to this literal, young earth creationist view that he just can't see anything outside of it. I love the idea that if he just finds the right shit, that it'll make the Bible true.

9:42Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's like, the other thing I was talking about is like, it's very interesting that like, there are no like, like, Jewish or Muslim arc hunters. It's like, it's always Christian, specifically, usually, typically American evangelical Christians who are like, who are like really committed to like actually uncovering the arc. Well, you gotta, you gotta do something in the story. What happens at the end? What do they do with the arc? Once the flood subsides. Well, we'll get to that, but yeah, it says that it rested in the mountains of Errorat. That's all it says, yeah. Okay. I might have been hearing a lot more about Andrew Jones recently because he got a huge publicity push over the last few months because Jones teamed up with the producers of the anti-vax documentary died suddenly. Yes. Let's not, let's not go. The crossover no one asked for. You know, one thing Noah would agree with is no vaccinations. That's how almost animals survived all that time. So that's where we're going to talk about today, how one man is trying to apply the latest technology in his quest to find Noah's arc and how he's being assisted by people who are best known for their vaccine denialism, white nationalism, and QAnon promotion.

10:47This is perfect. This is another kind of like esoteric Nazi where you know, you become like Indiana Jones basically in the process of your contorted beliefs. Before I really get, you know, deep in the Jones, I want to talk about some of the tradition that Andrew Jones is operating in. The reason arc hunters go to Mount Errorat is because in Genesis chapter eight, it says that when the flood watered receded, the arc came to rest on the mountains of Errorat. Now already we have a problem because close readers might notice that the phrase mountains of Errorat is different than Mount Errorat. And according to scholars, there's no way that Genesis specifically is referring to that exact mountain. According to Heidelberg University's Faculty of Theology, the phrase mountains of Errorat in the Bible actually refers to a much larger region than the modern Mount Errorat. In fact, what is now called Mount Errorat did not have that name until the Middle Ages. Apparently the word Errorat actually refers to Erartu, an ancient civilization that occupied

11:48the Armenian Highlands. So this is what Heidelberg University says with some assistance from Google translate. In the Old Testament, Errorat refers to a landscape or a territory. Oh, I know exactly what voice to do this. In the Old Testament, Errorat refers to a landscape or a territory. The name Errorat corresponds linguistically and factually to the landscape name Erartu, a tested and cutiform document since the 13th century BC by Erartu, according to current political geography, encompasses parts of Easter, Turkey, Armenia and Northern Iran. So this is a big difference. So Mount Errorat has an area of about 420 square miles. Modern day Armenia, like by itself, has an area of about 11 and a half thousand square miles. So for most of the last two millennia, readers of Genesis assume that mountains of Errorat refer to the larger area, like the vast Armenian Highlands, thousands and thousands of square miles. So this is what they say is referring to.

12:48But starting in the 11th or 12th centuries, people started assuming that the specific mountain we call Mount Errorat was mentioned as the final resting place of the Ark, even though it wasn't. They've been looking in the wrong place all along. Exactly. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's funny. It reminds me of that Atlantis, I think Disney cartoon, with the big reveals, like everyone thinks that it's off the coast of like Iceland, really. It's Ireland. It's like a slightly different letter. I mean, all of this leads to just people going to place and look for boat underground, right? Yeah. Like what were attempting to do here? Well, I mean, wouldn't it be nestled into the mountain? I mean, I guess not. I guess land would have built on top of it over the last, you know, 10,000 years. No, it depends if there's erosion in that area or if there's currently two plates being pushed together, which formed the mountains in the first place. Because I think I'm thinking I'm looking for a big ship way up in the sky between two mountains, kind of like it got caught in a, like a frisbee that got caught in a tree. Yeah. And last, the sky was the ocean.

13:50So really, he was flying on a final fantasy style, kind of like, like, you know, an airship, an airship, you know? So just keep your mind open, Jacob, okay? All right. Sorry. So really like art hunting, sincere efforts to go to Mount Erat and find Evans of the Ark, didn't really start until the 19th century, which makes sense because Mount Erat is a big scary mountain. Its peak is 16.8,000 feet and is covered with permanent ice and glaciers. Oh my God. Just people up there slip into their death trying to catch sight of like an old bow. In 1877, the British academic and politician James Bryce published a book which contains an account of him finding a four foot long five inch thick piece of wood during a scent of Mount Erat. Sure. Part of the ship. I found it, Brian. It's a piece of wood. Is that hold on? Let me smell it. My dong, it must be them. It smells like thousands of different animals.

14:51Shit. I can feel the bacteria crawling into my nose from the feces of 1200 species. If they find that ancient fucking guano pile, that is that book, they are going to unleash the fucking Prometheus disease. Seriously, they really will. Like, you're so fucked. That's a good premise for a movie is that scientists think they've discovered the arc or they actually do discover the arc and it's containing some horrible beast that starts to eat through humanity. Boom, that's a great premise. Yeah, the guano has mutated over. I believe it. Setch trees under a glacier. I mean, it's the thing. Yeah. So James Bryce is a alleged wood plank convinced many of the United States they had found the remnant of the arc, but in its own account, he's less committed. Whether it was really Go for Wood of which material the arc was built, I will not undertake to say, but I am willing to submit to the inspection of the curious, the bit which I cut off with my ice axe and brought away. Anyhow, it will be hard to prove that it is not Go for Wood. And if there be any remains of the arc on Ararat at all, a point as to which the natives

15:56are perfectly clear, here rather than the top is the place where one might expect to find them. Since in the courses of ages, they would get carried down by the onward movement of the snow beds along the declivenies. So I was saying like, well, didn't find it at the peak necessarily. We found it lower, but that's where you would expect to find an arc. The important part of this is that I have a piece of wood. Once you take from this, my friend, that is an adventure that you and I are about to embark on. But just know this, the wood will not be leaving my possession. Yeah, I've chipped off a little piece to keep in your pocket if you want for good luck. But our hunting really picked up in the post-war 20th century. This is a thoroughly modern phenomenon. And like many of the most annoying parts of American culture, it was pioneered by the French. Ah, yes. In 1955, French industrialist Fernand Navara returned from Mount Ararat with an actual piece of timber for others to test and observe. God, it's just so it's like you've set up a system in which anyone can just like grab

16:56a piece of wood and be like, yeah, me too. So high on the mountain, Navar says that he descended into an icy crevasse. According to Navara's account, his 11 year old son Raphael encouraged him to dig. Daddy, Papa, you're simply mastic further. We've almost found the art. Beneath the icy found Darkwood. And Navara announced his conclusion in a book published in 1956 called, I Have Found Noah's Ark. In 1965, Britain's National Physical Laboratory, Radio Carbon Dated the Wood, which placed it around 760 AD. Very old, but far too young to actually be Noah's Ark. Still pretty cool. It's like maybe you adapted to what you found. There's probably a fascinating story there. I'm sorry, it's not yours. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's interesting. How does this wood get on this mostly desolate mountain? You know, I think they're right. There's some interesting history there. It's almost certainly a cretin, hit another cretin with a piece of wood. I mean, it's human history. What do you want? But worth looking into nonetheless.

17:57The published result from the lab includes this note. Definitely not the Ark. Well, man, yes, we got that official, yeah. Evidently. It's really good though to still give that space to exist. Like listen, the Ark exists. It is out there, but this is not it. Very generous. Yeah, it's good to be the bigger person and admit that it's not the Ark there. Our content was energized shortly after the discovery of the Duro Panars site in 1959. So this is a geological formation 18 miles south of Mount Erat. So not actually on Mount Erat, but it's close enough for our hunters. I see we've entered into a mud fossil university type bit where I see the outline of what could be interpreted as a boat. Yeah, it has this sort of long boat-like shape. You know, it's like it has, it's approximately 160 meters long with a raised perimeter and a pointed end. So it's like, well, you know, again, if you're doing a mud fossil university bake, then you

19:03could say it's Noah's Ark. You fools. This is obviously the vagina of the giant. But this is, yeah. Of course, that's just spurring. It could be interpreted as such. But how long would this, I mean, this is like a satellite picture you've got included here. How long would this boat be if that were the case? Is a miles long? I mean, you know how many animals were on that effort? You got it. You want to make a big boat? You can't like a three mile long boat? No, it's, it was not three miles long. We'll get into the length of the boat, but that's great. That's great. Oh, thank you. The Bible mentions the instructions that God gives to Noah for constructing the boat and includes its length width and height. I hope he gave them all the tools and hardware too. Yeah, I'd be like, come on. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like a 600 year old man making him do manual labor, you know. Now geologists might tell you that the shape was created by erosion of bedrock by landslide debris, but yeah, but since it's kind of shaped like a boat, this has been the focus of our country's roughly last 65 years. It's shaped like a lot of stuff.

20:03Yeah, they landed on boat. It's, you know, it's a short drive from Mount Errorat, so that's good enough for them. Sure. Huh, I mean, it's a, it's a place to start looking if you're so inclined. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's either a boat or a rain. It could have disintegrated. It could have left a boat shape and maybe like beneath in that crevice, there's pieces of like, to Kingwood, I don't know. More like petrified, I think. Yeah, petrified at that point, it would have to be. I don't know how that stuff works. And I'm not going to pretend. I don't know anything works. No one's life was changed more by the discovery of the duro penar site than a Tennessee man named Ron Wyatt. In 1960, at the age of 27, while Wyatt was working in the hospital as a nurse, he read an article in Life magazine about the site. And so it became a lifelong obsession. In 1977, he went on the first of what would be over 100 expeditions around Mount Ararat. That is so crazy to leave Tennessee to finally start traveling the world just to go 100 times back to the same area because he saw it in Life magazine.

21:05Holy shit. Americans rock. He saw a picture of it. This was like basically the first like public announcement of this discovery of this interesting rock formation. He said, like, I'm going to dedicate my life to this and only visit this site. It struck him somehow. Honey this year, can we just go to Cuba or I mean the Bahamas like a beach? No, we're going back to Mount Ararat. I found the boat as sure honey this time. It's the 78th time we're going. It's going to be the one time where we find a piece of wood. As you might imagine, these multiple trips made them a nuisance to the locals of the region for 22 years. Imagine some guy from Tennessee just shows up. And you're like, oh, how we just take what a character that's so cool. And then then you're a hundred times in it. It's like, oh my fucking god, it's the guy again. On different occasions, his trips resulted in him being attacked, arrested, kidnapped, and deported. Well, if you go a hundred times, you know, you're going to you're playing out all this

22:05scenario. It's a lot of replayability in that game. The 14 times described his strange archaeology methods. He surprised everyone, especially the farmers who carved them by stating that certain boundary markers were actually anchor stones from the ark. There was no evidence to support the claim. He then insisted that Noah had established a farm to breed the animals he'd say while outlining this farm, he discovered, quote, no was family burial ground. What's more, he claimed he'd found from radar readings chambers inside the ship used for penning animals. He found samples of fossilized wood and insisted that he found fossilized iron embedded in the ship's side. The truth was, his metal detector was responding to magnetite, which occurs all over the region. Oh boy, god dude, being a local and just seeing this guy point to something that you carved like last week and be like, well, we found the anchors for the ark. We found the ark. I think it's even funnier if you imagine him with like a thick Tennessee accent too.

23:06Despite the fact that why it was obviously a crank, he managed to get sympathetic media coverage, like this story from WKRN in Nashville in 1985. In the rugged Mount Error at the region of eastern Turkey, Nashville and Ron Wyatt and his expedition team think they have found what this song is talking about. In fact, they believe this rock and wood and metal configuration was at one time this, a boat, more than 500 feet long that was built by a man named Noah. That white found to measure almost identically to the text offered in the sixth chapter of Genesis in the Old Testament. It was also found in the area where the Bible says the ark finally came to rest. But we actually have found its physical evidence that this is a boat. Whether or not it's Noah's Ark is up to the people that review the material that's up to them to decide on that. My personal feeling is that it is Noah's Ark.

24:06Of course he's a weather guy. A hovel or not. I love that he's like listen it's going to be up to the individual. The ark is in the eye of the beholder. Let's not bring up any specialists. Certainly no specialists get involved. Thank you. Me personally, I think it's the ark. I bet he goes to sleep at night and he's like you know what it's definitely the ark and I'm satisfied. He might have I don't know. I mean maybe he's passed since then, but I'm sure he's stayed strong. Nothing like a belief to carry all the way to the end. Wrong white wasn't just limited to finding the Noah's Ark. He actually he claims he uncovered a bunch of biblical relics about 92 actually. They include Goliath Sword, a book written by Moses himself on animal skins. Whoa. Yeah. He's a blood of Jesus and the ark of the covenant.

25:08That's right. He found both arcs from the Bible. Yeah. Do you think he licked the blood just to see? Yeah. No, he's seen last crusade. He knew better than that. You know, just in case he was wrong. In fact, why it claimed that he met with the angels who guard the ark of the covenant and they had some instructions for him. All right. Now we're stepping things up a little bit. There are real angels, not just scratched pictures and stones that are taking a very active heart in doing this. When I found the ark of the covenant in that chamber, there were four young men standing in there that if I had met them on the street, I would have seen no difference between them and anybody else. One of them said, we're the angels that have been assigned to the ark of the covenant. And we'll tell you what God wants to done with this and will help you do what he wants done. Oh, you're asking me why there were four young men in the chamber at the time when you found me. Well, of course, they seem like normal boys, you potentially, but they were in fact angels.

26:17Runway it was so crazy that even his fellow biblical literalist thought they used to be a real shit. In 1999, the 7th Adventist Russell and Colin Standish, a published book called Sacred Relics Revelation, which has this assessment of wrong-wise work. Undeniably, this is an impressive array of discoveries. Indeed, if confirmed, these discoveries would place Ron Wyatt at the forefront of biblical archaeology by a wide margin. Since archaeology is a painstaking discipline, the discovery of such an enormous range of artifacts from Turkey in the north to Egypt in the south would represent countless thousands of hours of effort. We are amazed that a man who has been engaged most of each year in his profession as a nurse and a sadist can claim such a vast array of discoveries. Dude, that is so condescending. You know what? I don't like their tone. It's designed to be condescending because this was the book that was actually aimed at people who also take the Bible literally like some 7th-day Adventist. I know you have biblical literalists being like, this guy is a whack job.

27:17Trying to convince other people, don't listen to this limited thing. I know he's telling you stuff he wants to hear, but he's just off his rock. This type of character is a hero. I do love any kind of like far gone community, biblical literalists having to deal with a guy like this. Yeah, and essentially all he's really done maybe is watched all three Indiana Jones movies and he's like, all right, well, yep, these are the treasures that I'll be chasing. Well, like many Americans, he's an inveterate and professional liar. Now, this brings me back to the modern day arcunter Andrew Jones because Ron Wyatt was the inspiration and personal mentor to Andrew Jones. The lineage. Yeah. According to Jones, he was a young teenager living in Sacramento around 1990 or 91 when he saw an advertisement for a talk by Ron Wyatt. Now, he couldn't attend because he had homework to do so his father went instead. Oh, wait. He sent your dad? Yeah, I guess I guess so. I was like, well, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, no, you're busy with your homework. I'll go, dude. I'll report back to you.

28:18But Jones says that he was so intrigued that he read Wyatt's book connected with Wyatt himself for the phone and even invited him out to speak personally. I was his early teen. So it's like seven threes grade. I remember my father went to the meeting and he came back and said, well, this guy said he found no Zark. And so I wanted to learn more about it. And I bought Ron's book. And after reading, it was a small little book. And I wanted to have a lot of questions, want to learn more. So I called the operator for one one. And they connected me through the run and that started a phone conversation with him throughout my high school years. And finally, I had a amount of Sacramento with some friends. We invited him out twice in 95 and 96. And then 1997 I finally went out to the site as a tourist middle of college and went out there. When you see the coast to coast, AM. I love it. I love it. I love it. Start coming up. That's when you know that something has hit the big time. According to his project biography, Andrew Jones first visited the site in Turkey in

29:181997, returned in 2000 and began more extensive field work in 2013. In 2019, he helped organize and fund grounds penetrating radar and laser mapping surveys. So this is his main contribution to our hunting. So he seeks out some of the latest technology that allows one to like detect what's going on underneath the surface of the earth and uses that to try and find evidence of the arc. Technology that we developed that essentially like disproved biblical literalism. Yeah. And then you're using it. Yeah. The same technology people have probably used to find the dinosaurs, which are a little hard to explain. You see, this is why this is why I respect, you know, Nakhmanides so much more saying, like, I listen, this doesn't make sense because it was a miracle. Like move on with your life. Yeah. Like, there we go. Just like, it's like just make peace with the with the mystery. Sometimes, you know, we need new miracles, Travis. Yeah. Jones has done what Ron Wyatt could only dream of. He has lived in Turkey since 2020 full time.

30:19He's a full on like Ararat nerd. Like he's like a weeb. Yeah. A white guy living in like Akia Barra. He says that he's living there full time to work on university relationships, permits and assembling the research team harassing any local academics. Well, think about Andrew Jones is that I think he has some batch it beliefs, but he's a little bit more personable than Ron Wyatt. Yeah. People probably put up with him as a kind of a fun cook. Yeah. His involvement also extends to tourism. He leads visitors, gives lectures and help coordinate renovations to the site's visitor center in 2022. He's become both an organizer of the investigation and the public advocate for significance. Now, I previously assumed that we had moved past the era in which mainstream media outlets take art hunting seriously, but I've been shocked by the coverage Andrew Jones has managed to drum up. His work was even covered last year by NBC's Today Show, who actually sent a correspondent to meet with him in Turkey. On in depth today, the search for Noah's Ark. Yeah.

31:20One of the Bible's most compelling stories, of course, will now some American researchers claim they have found what they believe is evidence of the arc buried in a remote part of Turkey. Wow. It looks archaed. Here. The Christian researcher Andrew Jones from California says the dimensions match. In chapter six of Genesis, it talks about a 300-cubit long boat. And that, if you use the Egyptian cube, it is 515 feet long or about 157 meters. And that's exactly the length of this boat shaped object. What do you see, Sally? And Jones says he has fresh evidence. I mean, referring to him as an American researcher or a Christian researcher, he has no background in like archaeology or geology or even like biblical scholarship. One nation under God, Travis. One nation under God. He's just indivisible, Travis. If you don't believe in God, you might as well just say so right now, Travis, because I'm starting to get a little tired. I can't even bring myself to jokingly say Liberty and Justice for all.

32:23Jones told the Today Show that the length of that rock formation roughly matches the length of the arc as described in Genesis. But he doesn't mention a few things that are not interrogated in that segment, which is what I'm going to travel out on today. Firstly, he got that 515 feet number based on Genesis describing the arc as 300 qubits long. So a qubit as a length from your elbow to your fingertips. So not a precise measurement, as you can imagine. And in fact, according to archaeologist Gabriel Barca, a qubit in the Bible could refer to two different lengths. In fact, there were two different qubits, the long or royal qubit and the short qubit. Scholars have used various means to determine the length of qubits more or less with success. The long qubit is approximately 52.5 centimeters or 20.7 inches and the short qubit is about 45 centimeters or 17.7 inches. What Andrew Jones has done, which is actually something he got from Ron Wyatt, is assumed that Genesis is referring to the longer qubit, which is sometimes also called the Egyptian

33:23royal qubit. But there is no certainty about which qubit Genesis is referring to in that passage. And in fact, most authorities on this subject assume that Genesis is referring to the shorter qubit. So this is the explanation given by the United Bible Society's handbook on Genesis. They should have never let this guy use rulers. We need to keep Travis away from all measuring equipment. Translators will notice variations in the numbers given for the dimensions in different versions. Genesis due to uncertainty about the lengths of the unit translated qubits by Revive Standard Version. Taking a qubit to equal 45 centimeters or 18 inches, the boat would be about 130 meters long, 22 meters wide and 13 meters high or 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. They're like a small yacht. Well, I mean, that'd be a big yacht. That's a big yacht, 450 is a big one. 75 feet wide and 450 feet long, yeah, I think so. I don't have a company. I really don't have an idea of feet.

34:25Well, you're seven foot two, right? So just do the math. Okay, I'm seven foot two. I would have to lay down 483 times across the length of the boat, smelling the poop. Smelling a lot of poop. You'd be laying down and rolling it around. Lay down in the poop. We'd roll you from end to end of the ship so you'd gather it all up. Somebody get me off this boat. Isn't qubit like it's like the length of your fingertip to your elbow? Yeah, exactly. It was the approximate length and then the way it was written down is kind of been reconstructed by scholars and what was it's approximate length was. Right, because nobody's really knowing what kind of elbows Noah's got. Like he might have really long ones. Yeah, he was knowing that. He pointed. Winged. No. How blasphemous can I get on one Bible-centric episode? Let's see. His guy said Noah had fucking wings. This guy know what he comes into my fucking office. He goes, I'm looking for two kangaroos. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. One kangaroo is hard enough to come by, but you tell him you need two ruse and he's like,

35:30I'm telling you, I need all the kangaroos you'll get. Okay, that's how Noah sounds too. Any end-waves. All right, let's keep going. All right. All right. Now, I don't think it would be very significant if that geological site happened to match the length of the ark described in the Bible, but it only matches that length if you make one very big and unwarranted assumption, which is that it's referring to the long cubit, not the short cubit. If you assume it's the short cubit, then the site's too long. Second thing is that Jones also didn't tell the today's show that even if you assume that Genesis is referring to the long cubit, then the width of the site doesn't match how the ark is described. So Noah's ark is said to be 50 cubits wide, which is roughly a six feet if you assume the long cubit, but the formation is 138 feet wide, which is about 60 percent bigger than that. Not surprised they used to make nerds like you pay. Yeah, they had a separate pen for you. Jones has actually addressed this in a different interview. He says he has an explanation for that discrepancy.

36:31Okay, good. Thank God. I mean, you're saying that the site is actually matching the length. So almost exactly number one. And the width as well, is it matching that? No, in the middle of the boat is 138 feet wide. The site has a pointed bow and it has a rounded stern. So it's ship shape. It's not a box. It's not a rectangular box. So some have stated well, if you look to the average, this would then match the biblical count of the 50 cubits wide. The other idea is that the boat being an ancient wooden boat has splaed out and gotten wider than what it was at the time of the flood. And so as an ancient wooden ship that's decayed, you find it like roaming in Greek ships as they fall apart, dirt covers it in the ground. The shape doesn't always stay the same. And so we're seeing that here that the widest part is 138 feet. So a little wider than the 50 cubits. But the length is still there. So yeah, it seems like it kind of like well, it's falling apart. He has this sort of ad hoc explanation about why it doesn't actually match the dimensions

37:36of the ark described in the Bible. If it fell apart of the sides, why would it not also fall apart like in the other directions? I don't know if it's just kind of it's a ship shape. I don't know. Ship shape. It's just a ship shape. Ship shape. Ship show. Now, I think it's worth mentioning that even people who otherwise support the mission of Andrew Jones have alternative explanations for the site. For example, in one interview, Jones says that he's read speculation that the site is actually where the ark was built, not where it rested. Come on, what did switch Aru? We had one gentleman. He actually left a paper at the visitor center and he's from Spain. I don't know what type of background he has, but he had read this whole document explaining up this was where they built the ark. That's the shape you see. Now, my biggest problem with that is if somehow the shape of the ark existed, where they built it, why did that survive the flood? If anyone's been killed and everything's being drowned outside, but the ark building site was preserved, why is it ship shaped and we really have a concrete bottom?

38:39I mean, I don't know. Anyways, as you can see, there's a lot of theories out there. Hi, I'm a big adult. I was about to give you a break. Oh, man. It's like you fool. The ship was so magnificent. It was God. It's shape was carved into the rocks. It's like also, if it's where it was built and you think that the Ararat information is correct about where it landed, that means that the ship didn't go very far, which I guess makes sense. A lot of animals on it. Yeah, flood came in, ship went up, flood left, ship went down. That's right. Came back to the place that it started. It needs to travel. It came black to the place that it started. Did you say it came black? You did? Yeah. I tried to power through it, like I didn't, like I didn't even speak. I tried to throw it in, buddy. Oh, fuck. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Andrew Jones also says he frequently sees suggestions that it's not Noah's Ark. He's observing, but rather a Nephilim ark. Oh, man. Now we've got the Nephilim and they've got their own ark.

39:40Oh, come on. So, yeah, the Nephilim. So these are mysterious beings mentioned in Genesis that modern readers typically interpret to be giants or fallen angels. Now this is the first I've heard of this ark, but as you can imagine, Jones has his own sort of reason for dismissing the theory. The Nephilim had to load up angelic versions of every animal. So that was tricky. They all had halos. Well, there was also discussion that the Nephilim were hybrids, right? Like fallen angels who had made it with women. So maybe they were also creating their own race. Maybe their ship was just full of women. Yeah, maybe they were creating their own race of animals. So the Nephilim were not only, but also killing the blanks, mad lives, you know? Okay, sure. They were not only verb the women, but they were also verb the animals. I think we need to unplug them. Yeah, we did this podcast for too long and I'm like a chat bot that's kind of lost the plot and just started spitting out like weird random pieces of code.

40:44Yeah, don't worry. We set Jake the last functioning model. Yeah, will you roll my drivers back rolling you back? Yeah, rolling you back. Sorry, Travis, go ahead and play the clip. I'm had people say it's the Nephilim arc, which they say aren't the giants. Oh, they somehow the giants survive the flood so that they had their own arc. And see that comment a lot to my YouTube videos. Yeah. What do you think about that? I think they had a Nephilim arc. Well, no, I mean, there's a lot to judge. Oh, yeah, because they had giants before and after. I understand the premise. This is what our show lives in space, bro. Yeah. Well, so if so as a Christian, you, you know, so I am a Christian looking at the New Testament account. I don't, you know, so I guess it becomes out. You do believe that Nephilim were considered people or like souls because, you know, according to the New Testament, only eight people survived. Right. As matches what the Old Testament said. So these other people that were on their own boat doesn't make any sense. Well, you know what they say about the giants and how they survived the flood, right? They just stood up.

41:44It cut to like the fucking most bearded podcast bro you've ever seen. I was like, did they just cut to a giant? Oh my God. Did they cut to one of them? That guy looked like a red oak. No. His face, I bet if you cut that guy open, you could see rings inside of how old he was. Yeah. Like I like his reason. It's like, well, you know, obviously the Nephilim existed and they, you know, they roamed during this time. But I don't think they built a boat. No, that's not. He was, he was pressing his buddy. He was like, well, you know, you joke around. And then the guy had to back up because well, yeah, of course, you know, they're, they're giants before and after. So yeah, he's like, we have to remember we believe in simply. Hey man, remember we're a cookie podcast. People even bigfoot. Can you please give this Christian the, you know, the, the advantage of the doubt? Hey man, look, my face, my face is red as hell. Well, Andrew Jones is obviously passionate about this project. Like I said, he said he's devoted the half his life to it. And he even managed to get the today's show to launder creation's nonsense to millions of people. That one say he's a natural publicity. Hound. No, he's scattered.

42:45Yeah. Imagine this guy giving me a torch, like mumbling. Yeah. So just this year, he teamed up with Lauren Witsky and Edwards Azale, producers of the anti-vax documentary died suddenly. Now, earlier this year, they made the corporation Noah's Ark Discover Inc. and set up a give-send goat campaign to raise funds for the arc hunting efforts. I have a note here that says that as of this recording, it's raised $111,000. But actually, I just checked before we started recording here. It's actually up to 115,000. Oh my god. So they are piling up bands by the day for this arc hunting expedition. That's not the goal, though. Their goal, their ultimate goal according to the give-send goat is $600,000. Yeah. $1,000 for each year that Noah lived. This is crazy. I should just be like, give-send goat, I'm going to go become a real ghost buster. Yeah, what if you had a whole $600,000? What if you had a whole mini series that you had to go to? You do professionally where you actually went and did exactly that? Yeah, but this guy is not cranking out that premium level of content.

43:50I mean, that's not. Yeah, he's going, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Where are the giants? It's not the same guy. They're all that guy, though, whatever. I'm sorry. If you're looking for arcs, if you're looking for giants, I don't know. I guess this is pretty harmless, right? That's about to become a little bit more questionable. Oh, please. Travis, destroy Jake's innocence and view the game. So, yeah, one of these producers who got him bored with the arc hunting efforts, Lauren Whiskey, she actually has a connection to QAnon. In 2020, she used the Republican nominee for the United States Senate in Delaware, and she wound up losing to incumbent Democrat Chris Coons. But during the campaign, Whiskey wore a QAnon shirt, which she explained had been a gift, asked about the movement during a candidate forum in September of 2020. She described it as absolutely harmless and characterized its participants as people who wanted sex traffickers and pedophiles held accountable. She also amplified supportive posts from VDAR, the white nationalist website.

44:52So how did these two, as like Whiskey and Sezal, how they get involved with the project? So according to Ed Worsesal, he was down because apparently the Trump administration wasn't right wing enough for his taste. It was a little depressed about this. So we found inspiration from a book about the giants that roamed the earth before Noah's flood. This story actually started with a book. Beginning this year, Lauren actually brought a book forward that changed our minds away from all this depressing news. We're already starting to suspect that we'd been betrayed by the Trump administration, and all the world was about to go into chaos. But instead of focusing on that, we wanted to work on a project that was in God's realm. Well, Lauren actually, she read a book called World Before the Flood. Now this is about the days of Noah before the flood, which just wiped out the entire earth, wiped out the Nephilim, wiped out the giants, and then preserved just Noah and his family, and then restarted mankind. It looks like a DND book, what they just flashed you. So yeah. It's amazing. I mean, the covers definitely, AI assisted.

45:52I wonder if the content is too. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised, I'll say. According to the diet suddenly newsletter, Whiskey pivoted Noah's Ark because she believes that undeniable evidence of the Ark will bring more people to God. It all began with a deeply personal mission. Last November, God laid the story of Noah's Ark heavily on the heart of died suddenly producer Lauren Whiskey. I can't explain it, and I don't know why. I just feel like God wanted me to do this, Lauren said of the encounter. Perhaps God preserved the Ark all these years because he knew that one day a generation would be so deceived by evolutionary lies and modern technology that they would need a tangible evidence of his existence to undo the falsehoods their textbooks had taught them. Lauren began praying and searching for hard evidence of Noah's Ark, and that search led her straight to Noah's Ark scans and the remarkable research unfolding at the Drupinar formation. She reached out to Noah's Ark scans founder Andrew Jones and they began working together on an archaeological expedition that if successful could potentially save millions, if not billions

46:57of souls and undue decades of Darwinistic teachings. Nice. A recent interview, Whiskey stressed her belief that the discovery of Noah's Ark would somehow overturned our wittian evolution. That's the great awakening. It's, I really, really, really want to take down evolution. That's the thing. It's taking over our school system. It's taking over our textbook. It's almost mainstream science now, and it was an idea that somebody came up with in the late 1800s. You know, Noah's Ark has been history for years and centuries. That all of a sudden these people were wrong. They're like, oh, well, actually, I think we evolved from apes. And now they're teaching it in schools like it's like science. And it's just amazing to me. You know, when I do believe that's why we're getting so much pushback, I believe that's why we're getting attacked. I think that's why Andrew got robbed. You know, I think they know the implications of finding Noah's Ark versus us, say we were, you know, studying the Titanic or studying the USS Yankee shipwreck. And we weren't getting the heat. We were getting people to be questioning what we're doing. People wouldn't be calling us scam artists and liars and Christians. They wouldn't be doing all that because of the implications of what Noah's Ark brings.

48:01It shows that evolution is a lie. It proves that every single person on this world came from the eight survivors on that arc. All the creatures we see today came from the eight survivors on that arc. And that's where creation began. I knew we didn't begin as like, you know, a different species entirely and evolve over millions and millions of years. And I really want to tackle that. I know that it's like a demonic belief system that's taken over and they're targeting our children with it too. And I truly believe Noah's Ark dismantles it all. And I want to dismantle the Darwinism with our findings. Lauren Whiskey, I do believe that you could be descended from the eight people that survived that. Yeah. Yeah. This was like, this is strange to me for a lot of the reasons like if all of humanity descended from one family 5,000 years ago, the best evidence wouldn't be the remnants of an ancient boat in Turkey. I mean, we would just show up in her DNA if there was like a genetic bottleneck of about eight people about 5,000 years ago. Even if you just consider like the variances in like how human beings look, I mean, you'd have to have that fucking arc.

49:02Those eight people should would have to be like United Colors of Benadson to get the way it is. Yeah. I was thinking it's like very convenient for her. She's like, I'm setting out to disprove evolution. And I was like, what kind of degree do you need to do that? Like, it's so convenient that like you can go and take down these, these, you know, over a hundred years of institutional science with no education of any sort, just kind of a feeling or reading the Bible, I guess. There's something out weird about the evangelical mind who imagines like they just need to discover or uncover the thing. And then like the culture in the world will transform an instance once we understand. It's like, again, this is a, Noah's Ark is a, is a Jewish Muslim story too. But like they aren't Jewish and Muslim arc hunters. They don't think it's that big of a deal or that relevant or that important to their faith to find the arc. We're going to have like Muslim arc hunters writing in like for sure. They're going to get so angry. Yeah. I'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and save you a little bit Travis by saying that as far

50:04as I know, I haven't met too many Jewish treasure hunters either. Like I don't, you know, I don't think they're, they're really just more obsessed with one place. I really try not to make it come on. Yeah. Come on, man. You're really setting us up. Yeah, I don't fuck yourself. I was just trapped. I'm not following it in this trap. What is this organization doing with all the money they're raising? I have the raise over six figures so far. Like thousands are coming in by the day. Well, right now they're drilling holes in the formation and sending down drones with cameras, which they call gophers in order to more closely inspect the site. I really don't mean to call on the, you know, the right wing Turkish government to crack down on these fools, but hey, they're making holes in your cool mountains. You got to go, you got to go make sure these, these people are kosher. No, no, Julian, Julian, this is like the beginning of the second act of Prometheus. Well, I want to see where this goes. You know, it's funny. I think it's like Andrew Jones, Matt, seems to have managed to get a pretty good relationship

51:07with the local authorities. I guess he manages to bring in a lot of money from like Christian, the tourists. Well, maybe he's promising them, you know, petrified camel dung from the arc, which could be more valuable than gold. You can go drill your own little hole for a set amount of money. Just last week, the Twitter account for Noah's arc scans posted a nearly five minute video of grainy black and white footage taken from one of these gophers. Now it appears to me, they mostly just show like dirt, rock and bugs and holes in the earth. Yeah. But they say it's actually more dramatic than that. Here's from the tweet. First look, footage from inside Noah's arc. Gofer drone was sent down into the core drilling holes in an attempt to reach the mapped voids. Gofer needs some modifications in order to look around as his wheels had trouble moving on the very loose sediment on the ground. Become a part of history. Help us cover core drilling costs and third party lab expenses. So this is what people are sending their money for, like lots of people.

52:07I mean, I look at the gifts and go and it's like, yes, like people are sending in like you know, $25 and like, you know, $50, $100 because they think this is contributing towards at, you know, the discovering the arc and their imaginations, overturning Darwinian evolution, you know, you can't call me a scammer if I'm actually this stupid. I mean, I don't know. This is the very frustrating. I have to imagine like, you know, a real archaeologist like all over the world trying to get grants begging their universities for like funding and expeditions for like real work. And then they see this dipshit who is like out in Turkey, like begging for money, getting thousands and thousands of dollars by the day, just like poking in this dirt, poking in this, in this big rock, trying to find something that just isn't fair. Like this just is just absolute nonsense. But like it's, you know, it's, it's, it's absolute nonsense that again, I think we're going to see a lot more of because yeah, it has a couple people who are pretty good that publicity behind it now. And also, like I said, the press is just too fucking credulous.

53:09It's like they're willing to like spend a lot of money and time in order to interview this because they think it's an interesting story without you know, disclosing the fact that this is a creationist loon who should not be listened to at all. Imagine your grandmother like emptying out her savings account. So some idiots somewhere can go look for an invisible boat in a mountain in Turkey. These guys are looking at a gray, grainy screen and going like that. I think that way. Go back. Go back. Go back. It's ghost hunting ship. Yeah. No offense to not taking, not taken, but it's ghost hunting. But yeah. Yeah. They're taking like like the yeah, they're using all of these, these scientific instruments and like yeah, they're not really experts in this field. They don't really know how to use them. And so they're thinking that like it's somehow represents something significant. No, this is I think really how no absurd. It's like I was like how much longer is this guy just going to fucking just chill in Turkey drilling holes in the earth and convincing like me mods and Tennessee to send their money.

54:10I mean, I say you can do it for another 40 years. He might have like an on-site accident or something drill too many in the wrong place. We might hear about this guy like falling into a crevice. Let's be honest, this is just taking money away from like Trump coin or whatever. Sure. It's a competing, it's a competing scam. Yeah. Seemingly a little bit a little bit less harmful maybe. I mean, you know, I think the search for Noah's Ark is something that can be fun for kids. I think it continues to be entertaining. And I mean, that's these morning shows they're desperate for like acutely, not acutely, a cutely mentally ill person. Like someone who's mentally, they're looking for those few Americans that are mentally ill but are still somewhat harmless and like of course they can get some harmful stuff. But man, we need these stories. Come on, a little bit of magic. Yeah. We've grown tired of like funny cat videos and so now we have to kind of like see like funny cat videos but like as they exist through people. Like watching a person kind of like, you know, tweak out or do something funny.

55:11Does that make any sense? No. Sure. I mean, yeah, but like again, I don't understand why like the cute, I guess like human interest story has to be, you know, the story of this creationist, Loon, who is being supported by like a white nationalist QAnon promoter. I feel like that's like an important part of the story. Like any future, you know, a reporter ever like touches the story again. I feel like those parts of the tale are worth integrating into a report. That's right. Travis is here to ruin your fun. Even your fucking fun little interest stories are in danger of his of his acute eye. And this guy says that he's got the arc of the covenant and the grail. No, no, that's what Ron White. His mentor claim. Oh, his mentor. Yeah, it's a claim. Like, yeah, that's a funny thing about like in his temperament and in his focus, like Andrew Jones is like, that doesn't seem like that wild or outside. Like Ron White, like he's like, he's saying he found the blood of Jesus and he met the angels

56:11who were guarded. He's saying all these guys are crazy things. Andrew Jones is like is smart enough to like maybe he's not showing his power level, like he's like he's smart enough to like tone down the things that like made Ron White just more obviously a coup. Could should not be listened to. They always learn how to be a little bit less kooky than their master. Anyway, it's will have a link for that fundraiser in your show notes. Make sure you get your piece of wood that's part of the arc. Yeah, everybody can have their own piece of petrified dong. Yeah, I mean, 150 days, the whole ship was made of turt. I'm pretty sure they floated on a giant turt. Look, and if this was way back in Noah's time, like he might have had some really exotic shit giant spiders, stuff that we've never even seen before. Yeah, you've never even seen a giant spider shit. That's another good fucking premise. That's another good premise is that like there's the shit in the ship. There's something inside the ship, like a fucking like a prehistoric bug that nobody

57:13accounted for. Like the arc of these dumb archaeologists just get picked off one by one by like a prehistoric cockroach that's like 15 feet long or a centipede or something. Oh, that's awesome. All right. Well, Jake has stroked himself to completion once again. So we can end the episode. Oh, yeah. All right. Before I go, there's like one other thing I thought was really funny that that Andrew Jones talked about. So one of his kookyer beliefs. So he has a lot. I mean, he suggested that a possible explanation of dinosaurs is people in pre-flood times creating abominations through genetic engineering. Oh, cool. So it was like this on umbrella corp that made the dinosaurs interesting. So even the dinosaurs can't be fucking dinosaurs. Andrew, what can you say about dinosaurs? If the David David, the X-E said, oh, yeah, well, we have puzzles. There's different views. Some say that the dinosaurs were like enough of them or like DNA created animals by people

58:19doing things against God's original plan. Like did God create the dinosaurs? Others believe dinosaurs are just giant lizards. Did God create them? I think some were created animals. They're just bigger life forms. Others did people doing some crazy DNA thing, you know, mixing genes, whatever. Like some people try to do today. That's very possible. Yeah, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. Oh, yeah. That's so true about history. I wasn't there. Yeah, yeah. This band should not be fodder for like, you know, for morning shows. No, he should be fodder for a podcast like ours. Exactly. He should be fodder for a podcast like ours who, you know, critically examines the claims that he's making. Oh, I was saying we're worse than morning shows. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm an optimist. I'm saying we're better. Hell yes. Thank you for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash QAA and subscribe for five bucks a month to get a whole second

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1:00:21And when the Roman soldier pierced Christ's side with a spear, the blood and water that flowed from his body seeped through the fracture and dripped directly onto the mercy seat of the ark. In his view, this was not symbolism. It was not metaphor. It was literal. He said he found dried, dark residue on the stone lid over the ark and collected a sample. And he claimed that laboratory testing revealed human blood, yet unlike any blood ever recorded. According to Wyatt, it had only 24 chromosomes instead of 46. And a single-why chromosome, unconnected to any biological father. He said the cells were still alive when rehydrated. And they looked at me and they said, Mr. Wyatt, this human blood only has 24 chromosomes in it.

1:01:21Everybody else has 46. She's the 23 from your mother, 23 from your father. To him, this confirmed the virgin birth and the divine identity of Jesus Christ.