Hour 2: Deshaun Watson's Magic Runs Out in Browns' Team Loss to the Jets

0:00. Coming up at seven twenty can we all get off a Jose Ramirez's case now. After what he pulled all over this series and obviously on Saturday. How bad was Watson yesterday two on six four seven four to below 92 let's just come out and ask it. Because this is this is my whole point about it being like. And some people I got a long email from lightning doctery who listens who's been listening since day one and I know that he sends emails to like all the other shows and stations and all that stuff. And I said I couldn't help it. I'm going there's no argument about Watson returning to twenty twenty Houston form. I think Dishon Watson had to become I think Dishon Watson had to understand that he's got to be twenty twenty six Watson and not. Twenty twenty four not twenty twenty three like he's got to turn into a different kind of quarterback. And it was all I said everything's results based here because quarterback play across the league isn't that good Nick Padone joining us on the show.

1:07Tony will be back tomorrow he's currently on his way back from Chicago as I say these sentences here he's listening on the free audacity app and so should you if you get out there in the road. But when you look at a loss and he's fifteen of thirty three for one fifty five and you fumble he got sack the bunch but you get fumbled you lose balls like. It's a bad game bad day there's no way to put it like when you lose the game hey ain't that good. Yeah I was surprised at how many people at least on social media have already gone out with like the defense of Dishon Watson for this it's kind of a bizarre stance the tape. Well what would it be well what were the defenses like I can defend a little bit and go well. You know I really can't defend the weather because they both got a planet I say a bond fumble or dropping balls that didn't make anything any better on him or easier on him so and that killed a couple of drives so that I I can feel for him in that sense the sacks the problems that they had on the offensive line that's a little bit but you know you get hurried up on that like but if you look at any like no it's it's

2:12a little bit of a lot of the ball space and it wasn't like he was lighting up the New York sky and then they lose it a shoot out me was seventeen to twelve you weren't that great in a game where he was sacked a times and fumbled three times and he was fortunate that he only lost one in the ball security issues have been an issue for him and he threw another could have been an reception to make a fits Patrick that he was it was lucky that wasn't you know picked off I thought it was a bad game for Dishon and the defense of it has been to me and I and I see you know that the I say a bond thing okay stop throwing on the football you've got Harold Fanden Juner you've got tensile Boston get those guys more they had four combined targets can he go in to the fourth but here the defense is usable and some of that is on the quarterback that I agree with you on that I think you missed Jerry Judy across the middle which would have been an easy completion in a first down on a couple of plays there's a couple of the things obviously that I'm on for touchdown like yeah you are right it wasn't a good game however I do think it may you're going to if you're a defense you're going to make things easier where it's okay we have no more Casey concese you don't we have to deal with because making fits Patrick did a dirty hit and took him out I'll care

3:15what Todd Munkin said in the post game you know what you saw and there ain't no reason to be doing a crap I don't give a damn so there's no more Casey concese on it makes it easier to cover Denzel Boston makes it easier to cover Harold Fanden Juner and that's why I think that Isaiah Bond got higher usage than what any of us really thought he was going to get and you see because he's fast but he can't catch why they had to have Casey concese on on this football team sure and how important he is after he was lost and again that's that's the depth issue that you have that's going to come back and get you go ahead it is I just felt like you know some of the stuff with the offensive line the offensive line was was a rough watch and I didn't really have that on my bingo card obviously David Bailey you knew was going to be a good player coming in you couldn't have that be his coming out party it turns out being his coming out party it felt like Watson routinely had no idea where the free rush was coming from though and identifying those sort of things before the snap is his responsibility held on to the football for a really long time on a couple of

4:16those and that's his responsibility it kind of did feel like the magic ran out on the Dishon Watson thing felt like you tried to put the cape on one final time when he found Denzel Boston on that 29 year touchdown but but when the you know you get the ball back with the minute and a half to go and you're thinking well here we go again you know it could you do it again for straight game winning drives and and for it to go as poorly as it went and to get sacked on that fourth down and for that sack to be yet another fun ball it was just it was a bad Watson game and I can't believe that there are people on social media seriously trying to protect your defend the guy this is a byproduct of when you can't play a complete football game at the quarterback position it's been bugging me even throughout the wins that it feels like we have to lean on Dishon Watson to be Superman on the last drive of a game and yesterday the clock hit midnight on it the magic ran out it is what it is like if you ask you got to do that all the time there's going to be an issue there like it wasn't all I don't think it was all on him but again I'm looking at

5:16the quarterback performance like it's not about replacing him that's a conversation I'm not having there's not even a yet there I'm not having that conversation I there was definitely things that he could have been better with and it and we have to discuss he is just never good in inclement weather he is it's not where he's a different quarterback or anything like that there's just something about bad weather that he does not respond to very well whatsoever 216474 to below 92 let's go to the phones Henry and Akron you're next up on the fan hello the morning thank you for taking my call glad to have you I'm not putting it on only Sean Watson that office aligned with terrible we're bad yeah I'm not making no excuses you still want to be able to know how to catch the football in the rain I mean I believe they could have won that game they had the they had the lead that could have won that game to go on the New York 40 they could have won that you usually win those games yep no you're right that Henry thank you very much for the call Sean and Cleveland you're next up on the fan hello Sean hey what's up guys hey you know I think everybody's feeling

6:18to remember special teams you know it's working he missed the football we had the lead which put him in great territory did the shine have a great game absolutely not but let's not forget we didn't have a running game this football I don't want to miss can I'll tell you this stay with me for a second Sean I don't want to miss constru it like I don't think that he's I think it's a complete team loss special teams wasn't good running game wasn't good offensive line wasn't good a defense was pretty decent to be honest with you I they got settled down right after that first drive and they they were they were able to step up and make plays and you got some guys free who we didn't think we're going to get free but it was complete team loss but our our conversations always focus are on quarterbacks in this city I the quarterback wasn't very good yesterday but here's the thing also you think about that last drive that one that one pass that bond drop that wasn't on the shot and my thing is this and we're gonna watch football I used to play football

7:19great players aren't great all the time just when they have to be and so that last four minutes you can't put that last four minutes on the shot Sean are you is is that you calling Dishon wants in a great football player though wait wait wait wait I think that's where I get kind of lost on this no I'm not calling them great but I'm saying based on based on what we have and what we've seen in the last three weeks Dishon has been playing pretty steady he's been playing steady football now I also think we go ahead Sean finish it up all right okay so when you okay he's been he hasn't been great in Cleveland it's safe to say uh-huh however when you when you look at his body his body of work when you was in Houston he he wasn't in a buff tier quarterback so you know I'm not gonna go I'm gonna say yeah Dishon is a good one he wasn't I don't think he was a bum or garbage ran and I know you're not saying that Sean thank you very much for the call but you are you're in a situation right now and I can't I can't really expect him to be

8:24I think this is I want to find what the real line is for Dishon Watson other than he either plays so well that nobody could say anything to him or everybody hates his guts in what's amount of Cleveland like he's the starter and he's firm in that position to me so what is the line for Watson again it's not about going back to 2020 Watson you're just gonna be disappointed by everything and you're gonna hate everything it's about finding a new version of Dishon Watson 30 year old Dishon Watson who's had a slew of injuries yep since the 2020 Watson even before that and what you have is a quarterback that no it's he's not Josh Allen he's not Patrick Maholms he's not Joe Burrow he's not one of these guys that can overcome the issues that you may have as a football team it was a complete team loss no doubt yet Dishon Watson wasn't very good and isn't that guy who can overcome those issues and I think that that's a fair statement to say and I think it's a fair reality to put him in I think you're gonna lose some games yeah I don't think you lost the

9:26game because of him but he didn't help the matter in the for the most part I think the macro reminder was that this is an organization that still needs a quarterback even though for this year he could still feel secure in the job or whatever because the lack of guys that they have to challenge him the position whatever the case might be the the guy looked really bad against that jets team that jets defense talking about airing Glenn potentially getting fired today if the jets found a way to lose that football game and Dishon Watson delivered a stinker it's the only way that I can really view what he did again I'm not putting the whole loss on him either Kenny I do think it was a team loss but he certainly gets a piece of the blame pie he was bad you lost he lost the fumble he was sacked eight times like that's not a good quarterback play 216474792 how bad or how good was Dishon Watson can you put the loss on him I really still don't think you can that and can we stop with the Jose Ramirez stuff now in the postseason and also I can ask a lot of my boss I don't know if I can ask him to do this for me can Carmen Anthony Lima Nick Pidone

10:32and for Anthony today on the fan I'm gonna ask if we're gonna get off Jose Ramirez's case here very shortly however speaking of cases we are we are friends with our boss I've had no problem calling in my boss some people here at the station and station history had problem calling in our boss when he was only the assistant brand manager now it's a full on brand manager and respect is due as much as I may disagree with him and his fiddle playing of me from time to time however I got to go out the little little right after this like right after and I'm looking to save a little bit of time hey Paisanos because I got I if Lima's late which he sent us a picture of him the family they're on their way back so he's right now we're making good time Chicago from Chicago yes there is wife ran in the marathon I think she was like 98th out of all ladies or she was second out of all

11:32limas there were 18 they're 18 linemen looked it up I started getting her place in amongst Sarah's but they were like 200 oh boy that's a lot of linemen there was 18 like top 10 that Lord almighty so any who uh they're coming back and I wasn't able to make the stop yesterday basically can I just ask piece of buddy but he's also our boss can I ask you to stop the liquor store for me on the way over here he'll be in right after the liquor store what do you mean stop at the liquor store well I because you need to bring something with you don't you to a place where they're serving an abundance of things yeah but not the things that not not okay fair but I also need a cigar cutter I've lost my misplaced my cigar cutter they have cigars at the liquor store and so can I ask him to go to the liquor store so you need not liquor no I need a cigar cutter and possibly a bottle of some and I mean why why can't he look can he stop where's that asking too much of your

12:33boss is he coming in today or is he going to the hangout with you guys no he's coming in now he's never been to the hangout with us he's never been so that's the tricky part I think he's ever been to little in a lot of business I believe at all times that is the tricky part but this is before business this is not during pleasure but this is before business what do you mean it's before business it's before it's been up to having sound and videos since like 430 this one damn so what he's he is he always on call that's uh mean yeah he is 247 365 I guess that kind of is how goes yeah so I guess he can't go with great power comes with I told him the one time heavy is the crown brother yeah long dead of him I was like well sucks but can I ask you can only cash this in so many times in your career right what's not going to liquor store for me every day I'm talking about liquor store I'm talking about hey boss I need you to do me a favor well if I asked him to do me a favor went to your house and got your bag one time because he's a bag man yeah he was the

13:34bag man that day sometimes you do have to wear multiple hats I think it's worth asking sometimes you have to wear multiple hats I think that you liquor store for your dude yeah I mean it's on the way and your dude is in a time Crow you said you got to go right I got to go right because if I'm doing today what's like what are you doing I'm doing and little little I'm lima standing for the parade if he isn't able to make it on time then I got to get the parade started and do the announcements and stuff like that according to what lima told you have to fire the pistol or what's get the guys there's no pistol that's fired they just start walking down the hill Marie Hill I'm plenty familiar I know yeah yeah I know who I want starting it if we're going down Marie Hill I think everybody wants that but I don't know he's gonna be I want Benny to just bring him right on down the hill I don't know if Benny's actually been there on a day like today he's

14:36been to the feast busy I don't think he shows up for this really yeah there's other ones there's other crewners that are there at this time but there's not I don't think Benny's there if he wants to go ahead and do the announcements that's fine I'm just saying if lima isn't there he has asked me like hey if if I'm a little late you get you get the party started and I'll be there as soon as I possibly so it is important that you're there on time it is important that I'm there on time which adds to the need for the request to be putting I need yes I need a cigar cutter and I also would like to come bearing a gift yeah the the nice thing is like if I know one thing about little Italy the somebody will have a cigar cutter there for you sure but I want to ask I want to start asking because the one person who says no then all of a sudden you're just battling and asking everybody for cigar cutters if I just get my own like I have a knife on me but I don't want to sit there and mess with it and mess it up and all of a sudden I would like my good cigar I don't want to do that I well is it okay to ask you're in a box such a thing I think so

15:39an extreme circumstances which which I'd say this is nearing extreme you're in a little bit of a time crunch when you get out of here you got a big filling it's a ton of a liquor store though can it I don't know if he's a lot to do that yeah now I don't know I don't know the CEO of the company was it just last week I don't what she be okay with such a thing I don't know if she would depends I think if she knew that you were in a time crunch that you weren't gonna have time to stop and that you could potentially embarrass yourself because you don't have a cigar cutter front of all these people in little Italy well I got no I got on the truck I can I got the knife on me I can possibly get it cut but again I don't want to ruin it right and plus if he's going to stop for a cigar cutter I mean it's 99 cents you really want to give me a bottle are we done we're ripping on Jose Ramirez in the postseason yet is that all dead or are we gonna do this again in this series I'm serious I want to know like because he came through in wild fashion not just in game five I mean he came through as a series one on exactly and so that's that's the point I'm

16:41kind of making here is like hey guys are we done ripping on Jose in the postseason now can we stop with that like I will still defend him if he would if he had more veterans if he had more boppers around him I think he'd get better pitches to hit but he's making the most of the pitches he does get to hit and again you want to nothing he was he accounted for the runs the pitch that and the pitch that he had I don't even know that was what that's what I'm saying he golfed that thing out exactly so are we done with the Jose Ramirez criticism or does it just start again because we're going to be like you're not favored in the Tampa Bay series it's not a reason to sit there and think that there it would be better if they lost will just dumb but just because you're not favored I don't know if that's a reason to sit there and start ripping on Jose Ramirez let me get to Keith he's on the wise heart right we make a right call call right hotline the bad signal's on Keith can't just send me what you need I don't I have some people that could probably do that for you I'm not going to commit to that but just send me what you need what an ice god I do anything it feels

17:42and you it feels like a brown victory Monday today so I'm happy I'll do anything what I would celebrate you know the Guardian's with the ALC there we go I'm going to celebrate today by the way yeah we're adding to the five reasons people take off work Lima's going to get his voice ready to do all the emptying of this event no he was at the he was at Chicago for the the I know he was there we had to feel the city we're tweeting out pictures from Chicago this weekend when everything's back complete when that great wait a minute great feel for the city there that was the old boss who said you have to feel it they're the old boss according to the who is the same as the old boss in that sense I'll say this there is a slim chance in hell that I'm ever going to get your bag for you if you forget you could do a four hour show without your bag it's good buddy you're not you're not in fourth grade anymore I did not expect him to do that it was a good thing that he did it I I appreciate him doing that but he drove all the way out to the streets bro picked up the bag and brought it here pretty crazy the show the gas prices there is no chance that's happened the thing is by the time he got it to me it was like there's 40 minutes left in the show it's like what's the point even going to get that final note that you guys had to do I

18:42mean yeah otherwise you got to we're written on the paper you just figured out as you go I mean we have shows that done that before just you know what presented itself okay you know what I want you to say it that's a lot I wasn't going to say it and now we're just going to let keep go on the wise heart right we make it right called call right hotline it feels like that was worth our time though you're getting the thing I'm already I was going to ask him to give me some many things there's some 50 50s he said I mean you want some zigzag you need something yeah I'm just going to get me out something yeah let's get it going two one six four seven four to below 92 so are we done with the Jose stuff yeah we done ripping on Jose or are we going to just continue this in this series see like you said yeah like tonight you got foster Griffin going does it feel almost like house money to start off the series because it ain't Parker I know house money I mean I thought I think we all kind of assumed before the way that game four went down that had they pulled off game four

19:42with Parker and game five with Gavin it would be tenor by me and the by me came in and bus not great see that in his however many pitches and I think that was great and I think when you look at this oh and to that point like you went out there and you traded for foster Griffin at the deadline so like I don't think they're looking at this it like house money I think they're looking at this like this is a guy that we went out and traded for that's good point that's good point you can't trust and or by be who we paid because he melts down every time yeah yeah that's fair like I don't think it's a go out there and like just like hand over the game or anything like that that's a good point about foster Griffin you just made um it did feel like like I'm happy to make the LCS and then you have this series that starts it's like well wait a minute we can't just keep re-evaluating history all the way through but I'm the one making the argument for Jose so can I not evaluate history all the way through after I just said what I said I think I have to I mean dude they should honestly I'm surprised they're not out there right now working on this statue but like it should be up by the time the guardians come home for game three I know that's never

20:46been done before I jokingly put that out there on X this week like have has there ever been a statue built for an existing player because the discount alone that this guy is playing on for him to come through in the way that he came through and they have the pose the the stretching out to go get one nine inches off the ground that's the pose that's what statue looks like that's pretty nice yeah that's a good point put it up I don't know if we can get it up before they get home on third they play Thursday Friday there's some hard work people there's a spot there's a spot where you can move a current statue you just nudge it over a little bit front or you can have like three different poses and surround that statue with Jose and three different different poses three different like that would be the not yet three different hoses and three different opposed marking strong as a marker we don't rip it on Jose Ramirez yeah he's proved himself for sure thank you I agree I had another thing though all right I was going to comment about yours the garcutter um I think that you're going to have to submit a expense report through your company for

21:46that oh my god and if you use it if you use it for like prop like you know groucho marks you supers television show if you use it for a prop like for your radio show you might be able to get it through the company so oh or or if I use it this morning we use it right at all this morning right we it's it's correct thank you for the call I could possibly get that deducted off the taxes if I wanted to do I haven't filled out an expense reports since I did play by play that that was a long time ago brother that was 15 years ago all right let me get the Jeff and Cleveland hello Jeff what's up Kenny hi Jeff go ahead hey who's the guy you want to get right now Nick Padone hey so um when it comes to the browns and man that office of mine is trash man and I think the Sean watching this back man if he brought us he got us three wins this season you think he's back you said he's back to find back back no no no you think he's back I think he's back wait a minute you can't wait for today to be you can wait to get on the radio and talk about the

22:48couple of mistakes that he had Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff Jeff you see those things are true wait wait did you see Bailey who's Bailey who's that guy Bailey David David Bailey he was a top you was a top pick he destroyed us he destroyed nobody all season did you see Jones are are are right tackle that came in the game trash you see bond drop all those passes the intersection that he almost those were good because Jerry Judy because Jerry Judy was supposed to attack that football in the air and he tried to wait for it to come down because he was scared of fixed packers on the head of these guys are not they're not helping him I apologize I thought Jeff was going to say something about Jose I didn't see it close enough I apologize but let me I got to go back to this hold on when you say back does Sean Watson is back to back to what back to those Houston days oh that's not his way come on I think you're wrong making plays if you make too many plays yesterday that guy's in Jeff that if he's back to the well he's never played well in rain so I can't say yesterday they would have won that game if he's back to the Houston days but they would have more than 12 points

23:50with one that game was 33 Jeff we're 100 Jeff Jeff how many got passes would have made it more than that it did you drop that's fair like but we've mentioned that I just watched Joe Burrow get called one of the best quarterbacks because he throws up Hill Mary to Jamar chase Jamar chase if we got a guy like that Casey concept you only got took out in the first quarter that messes up your whole game plan when you and he put by a Casey Consent is it is it is in Jamar chase I mean you got a you got to look at both sides on this point that point he doesn't have a Jamar chase I have a key hit all right but he's you knew half this even before Joe Burrow had Jamar chase you knew Joe Burrow was good like we're sitting here going back we're sitting here going back to the shine Watson like we got Jamar chase Jeff Jeff Jeff had a good receiver I came over to Miami Georgia he planned for K from Georgia what was you at you at all was AJ green with him at that point or was it okay yes we're two years all right was first two years okay Jeff okay I always had a great deal always had a great

24:52to watch to watch this version of DeShawn Watson and say that it's that he is back to Houston form Jeff that's insane did you see our running game did you see just I saw it twice I've seen the game twice Jeff thank you for the call okay listen that that's what I'm saying can we just can we have an honest conversation about either guy can we have an honest conversation about Jose and that we have an honest conversation about the Shawn Watson because I know that everybody needs Jose to do everything for this offense but on the other side with the Shawn Watson I mean for the love of God come on if he's 2026 to Shawn Watson that's an effective quarterback why was he coming after 20 because I apparently you think you're a hater of the Shawn Watson I don't know I haven't heard much of what you said have you been hating on DeShawn Watson they did just say it was I mean he was bad he wasn't good as you're 15 of 33 he's time he he fumbled the both 20 20 to Shawn Watson gets over those over those sex 2020 to Shawn Watson gets over those

25:58fumbles that is not 2020 to Shawn Watson there it's 2026 which isn't bad okay I'd rather have this than 2023 or 2024's Watson be effective as a power ranking our watch as effective as you can like they didn't he can help his football team win but he's not going to overcome the mistakes that the rest of the football team had and that's what you expect from a 2020 to Shawn Watson not this one and if you did I'm sorry that's where I'm looking at Jeff going you're being unfair to Watson a guy who you clearly like 216474 to below 92 I'm gonna get back to you guys on this does Jose are we done with the criticism can Carmen Nick Pidone in France and he live on the fan can I saw a clip this morning and you were like Cody of blame you blame the players you blame both he's blaming the manager what did he do yanking Gavin when they did no I had no problem going to the guys that you've gone to all year I mean it's about he didn't pretty darn good I know people

26:59off the cat of Van Wagon but Hunter spent pretty good too guys you don't hit you don't leave it's better to talk about pitching changes and everything else but like sex put the ball in play and we didn't they had three it's a runner's in scoring position we had zero how important is Stephen vote to this organization I'm that sounds like an ass and I in question to ask but you last week we did a story that the Seattle Times they they parted ways with their manager their manager had been with the organization for a very long time went out there told everybody I'm done being the manager and everybody sad and one of the names that were bandied about by the Seattle Times was Stephen vote wait that's our guy that's our guy and they and they led that story that part of that story off with this is highly unlikely those were the words that were used highly unlikely but last night after they lost and they're now down to in this series there were a way more

28:00people than I'm comfortable with including some people who are personal friends Hayden brought it up Hayden Grove our own America's Got Talent contestant was it America's Got Talent in America the voice the voice Judas Priest I can't get a ball the singer um he was like basically if Seattle wants them Seattle can have them it's like whoa whoa whoa I know we're angry let's hold on a second here like there there are two men I know we're mad I know we're mad we can't start saying things we can't take back yeah I thought about this is guys this would not be I know I said the same thing about Jose Ramirez I got to find a different way to say it but I'm just gonna say like well would be would we even be complaining about the postseason right now if they didn't have Stephen vote like there's other I'm sure there's other guys who could who could do the right emotional buttons and maybe get them I I get it that he's not the end all be all but it's like man

29:05you know you got a hot hand there and being so flipping about that probably isn't the best idea I hate to I hate to say this because it's gonna sound like a loser mentality but our managers right now the way that this team is financed every year they need to have a particular set of skills which is getting the team to 162 that's the most important thing and I know people are gonna say that's not the most important thing the most important thing is a playoffs but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that every other manager could have had this team in the playoffs the last few years even in this division I do not think that is the case he is the seventh highest paid manager in baseball I think he's one spot behind Aaron Boone and I looked at that last week I looked into it a little further if you put it on a graph the salaries have come down in Major League baseball and is it because for managers is it because more teams are cheaper than ever before losing their local TV deals that's part of it well that's also because they think they're interchangeable yeah they they would rather spend that money on players but with the guardians

30:08we're not going to spend that money elsewhere so other than outside of making sure that we can pluck talent from the Dominican and Latin America that's important to us we do spend resources there the issue is now so to the Dodgers so to these other teams they have more money to do it but we're going to make sure that our manager you know gives us an edge well that's and he has that's a different so that like that's Paul Dolan criticism that's not necessarily steam vote criticism like yeah they spend four million dollars a year on Stephen vote according to a spot track or wherever I went found it front office sports I think had the had the actual lineup you're spending four million dollars a year on a manager they'd rather spend four million dollars a year on a manager than twenty million dollars a year on another bat which I know will infuriate everybody and not make it that's not an excuse but that's the way that they've done business okay well we've done the Paul Dolan shows many times before and we'll do them again I'm sure before he's all done being the owner of the Cleveland Guardians. By the way I do say every time I know you get mad at me I think they're the worst shows I think they're so boring I think we all understand well then go anywhere because he doesn't and he's

31:10not selling the till he is selling the team but but I've had really bad news for people the next to the next guy is going to run it exactly like Dolan does well in the two degree you know how I know that because he has not infused the team with a bunch of cash yeah he's gonna run it like a business okay just like Dolan but you know what you and I have been lockstep on this like he is like he's not gonna treat I don't think he's gonna treat the Cleveland Guardians like the New York Yankees and just overspend though honestly the way the Dan get and I know that that's a cap league but the way the Dan Gilbert treats the the calves like Dan Gilbert would just spend whatever it's a interesting situation there I think Jimmy has them if he didn't have a cap would just spend whatever the guardians are different and and we've been through the family trust before and if you don't know like can't just go into the he can't just do Scrooge McDuck and spin the wheel and walk in there and take whatever out the MSG cable vision money is not his no and then you got how families work you got the brother and the sister and basically I from what I hear they're not

32:13really interested in having the team anymore themselves so he's like still interested in having the team and they got it's they got to turn their keys on things before they go spending money but that's that's a bogged down conversation that people are bored by because they don't like the conversation about this team not spending money which is the the crux of everybody's problem but it does but because of that it makes Stephen vote more valuable to this organization and yeah like I hear Owen I didn't I didn't fight back on Owen like all right 91 pitches I was a little bit I raised my eyebrows yesterday I raised my eyebrows that he came out into the six inning I also know that it's a must win game and I'm not going to sit there and and disagree with Owen because I think Owen's right actually I was just surprised that he was back out there for the six inning that pointed out would we be in that position without Stephen vote we wouldn't go ahead on where we go say that's that's the whole thing either don't start him that inning or let him go and see if he can get that run out because either way he took himself off the pitcher of record

33:17right with that runner getting to first so is the two one game yes he couldn't win the game anymore unless he got himself out of it well or Sibraski got him out of it but he didn't I think I I think I felt the same way I mean Sibraski's been banged up this year it was I the only person who started getting a weird feeling in their stomach when when Gavin Williams walked off I couldn't have been the only one I think basically a lot of people in the stadium probably felt the same way and if they didn't feel that way they were hoping like that we we've had a better bullpen probably than what we want to recognize but we don't feel great about this bullpen we also don't have Andrew Miller and actually the numbers behind the bullpen you know for about a month and a half there towards the end of the year we had one of the better bullpen's in baseball again I understand that so the problem is that I don't think that that buys a lot of currency with a lot of fans but no no it doesn't here's where I disagree Gavin Williams does like that's where I disagree with Matt who watches so much more and knows so much more about the stuff that I do he has he says that the bullpen has earned it over the course of the year and I just think the post season is just so

34:21different from the regular season that I wasn't ready to punt this into a new baseball game I wanted the old baseball game and I've talked about how in the playoffs these games go one way and the minute you depart to the bullpen you kind of cross your fingers and hope and say I hope it's still that game that I was enjoying when we had the lead but then it turns into the lineup conversation because why did they basically have a bullpen game yesterday and they did it in the other day as well and they're up two oh in the series you know that that's where again one hand is going to watch the other here but I think that's that saying well Stephen Vokin just go to Seattle that is not going to fix our situation I don't believe that this organization would be in the position that it's in like we looked at Terry Frankona and you know I I kicked around an idea and it doesn't look like I'll be able to like if we get back to an ALCS if we get to a world series does that change the way we see Tito Frankona the the Stephen Vokin change like there was a time Tito Frankona was absolutely

35:25tough line here you could not get on the radio and say nasty things about Tito Frankona like I'm talking about callers like we would shoot them down and what will we say a lot of the same things for Stephen the saying about Stephen Vokin would we be here without this guy would we be able to develop these guys without that guy would like his job is is much more hands on than what a lot of managers jobs are especially in markets that were competing against like those same things are being said about Stephen vote that were said about Tito Frankona and so if this team were to continue like if they get their head out of places and come back at a two two series and they end up winning this series and you go back to the ALCS I know that we're presuming a lot here we got to win tomorrow for crying out a lot before we start dreaming all that other stuff but if you do do that then what are we saying about Stephen Vokin like a lot of this is is reactionary hot air and it's tough to do that in the postseason where you only have that many games compared to

36:25162 over 180 days by I guarantee you what Stephen vote would say is what was that payroll in 2017 130 million dollars pair to 76 pair to 70 now oh boy I'd like to have another 60 million dollars in payroll and players to turn to because when I look at my lineups I'm deciding between who David Frye I mean but you know Bailey at catcher like I'm sure he'd be arguing hey it'd be nice to have another 60 million I could go have that that Japanese slugger who got paid 17 million this year for you know that that's just part of the it's hard to compare the two the 2017 we went out and got Edwin and Cardassian you know I think was at the J Bruce year two when that was at the yeah at the waiver deadline and at the year before we we got Andrew Miller to help us out so I look they did make some significant trades at the deadline they did and I think our lineup actually kind of take took a step but is that still a playoff lineup and there is a big difference between playoff

37:31lineups and regular you know just get through 162 lineups we are also being well is this part of the reason that steam vote has been successful we are being accused of high crimes here this is courtesy of the bench pod the stretch podcast courtesy of bar school bar stool this is a man who calls white socks Dave and apparently did they call the league or they call the organization of the white socks about us I believe he says it in here but Sean Burke who was the picture yes okay here we go nobody can say that white socks Dave is not doing his part he thought they were stealing signs at one point I didn't think I was right it was like the fifth inning whenever the guardians had a guy on second they were tapped their helmet and and every pitch the white socks through they were holding on or whatever they were swinging a text Burke middle of the game is like they're still in the signs well I knew Burke was out of the game he pitched a game before so I thought he might have his phone on them then I hit a vessel and then I hit up the front office exec all three of them got back to me right away and they're like yeah we got this we saw it too but the thing was they

38:33didn't call time I wasn't the only one that did it Jordan was asking I know you're listening he did the exact same he works for a socks on 35th and he did the exact same thing he hit up the socks too because they didn't call time and fix it immediately and a couple of those times they had bases loaded if they know what pitch is coming that's an issue and they didn't call time and fix like middle of the inning which like they should have but they got fixed eventually so so yeah I did play my part a little bit I that begs the question to me that's a lot how many text messages were set to both players and management and organizational figures in the matter of other phone minutes like the NFL they can have their phones on them yeah it is very different but I think but would the guardians appreciate that if they gave their phone numbers out to us in mass like that or would they find it to be a detriment because if those guys are texting them about that what else are they hitting up guys during the playoffs I believe they were referring to game one yeah yeah yeah oh yeah so many base runners so obviously there was so much sign ceiling going on what do we

39:35have three hits well 70 yeah we had bases loaded and we were still in the signs and then we scored zero right it's not golf is it not part of the game if you're not doing a good enough job point this to the Astros thing the big difference was they were obviously using video and video coordinators and things like that if part of the game has always been yeah the guy on second peaking in on what the catchers doing that's why they invented pitchcom they also there was a story I don't remember what team it was maybe the Orioles they told the guardians after they'd play it was the that's actually it was the match yeah and they swept us if I'm obviously swept us hey man your pitchcoms are so loud we can hear everything that's going on right now which is insane so well I listen and yeah I one's my favorite team and the other one I really don't like like that's a far cry from Jose Al Tuvia allegedly being wired up like he's in the departed for

40:35crying out loud like I think that that's a big difference don't you yes but if they're if they're stealing signs I guess we got to find a better way to steal signs and because we got to get going tomorrow I mean I'll take anything I will I will anything short of stealing people I will do to try to went get back in this series right now because this is terrible this is terrible all right coming up at nine o'clock Daniel Yafousi going to join us on the show do we have a better quarterback situation than we realize tell me more oh John will tell you more during the neutral zone with Ratboy in the hog in five minutes on the fan let's