God, Consciousness and Biocentrism: Rethinking Life, Time, Space and Death

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1:03Are you ready to take the Quantum League? Here's Perisha. Greetings. This is Quantum League Book Club. This is your host, Perisha. Today joining with me are my co-host, L.O.A., who is actually in Sydney or somewhere about Sydney, Australia. And we have Gabrielle Thompson, who is out and around Mountain Beauty, Australia. So today it's just me and my Australian friends. We were playing down on her and up over and every other way we can loop it. Today we are actually discussing again and continuing with biosentrism. And we want to do that in bringing it not just a lot of questions that we have on science. And I have been reading a lot of your responses. You all are saying that you're pretty much looking for more in-depth spiritual awakening material that the particular science and the particulars of what science offers that

2:07get a little boring or a little trying sometime and I agree with you. Okay? Especially since there's such a dogma that actually avoids making anything that makes sense, especially when you're leaving out the equation of God or that there is source. Okay? Whatever your sacred word is. So we're going to be discussing that as we move into looking through the biosentrism's book by Dr. Steven Lasagna. Lasagna, did you hear I said I'm hungry? It's a long time here. Okay. Lons up. So we're going to be looking at what Steven has written. He is a genius at many, many things. So he began to question, as we've all been reading and understanding, he began to question what the base of science is and how it has become a dogma and how little we have advanced with it and that quantum physics is of the past.

3:08We're looking into string theory and a few of their options on the frontier, especially as AI begins to dominate the technical interest. So we have to explain what is this intelligence that we're calling AI and how is it that AI actually becomes almost something of itself or some one of itself as people begin to work with it. We also have heard and are cautious about the dark side of AI, especially since it's been associated with some suicides. So we're looking at consciousness and we say the word consciousness and we actually then combine that word with biosentrism. We're pretty close to looking at something that makes a little bit more sense than just quantum theory and what new age and spiritual add-ons have actually put to quantum. So when I'm talking to the scientists, the guys that do the lab and the whole theory stuff,

4:13they feel that the spiritual community, new age, metaphysics, the whole thing has actually added their own reality to what the science base of quantum is. And I would have to admit that myself being very much on what I would call the treadmill of time and investigation with science. So we have to be careful that we, where we combine what we have with what we say is factual or credible, credible because we can prove it or we can offer some experience or research that helps us understand it better and give it more mass. Okay. And then we have that which we experience in our imaginative consciousness, which means we meditate, we visualize and with that we have some very deep inward journeys that seem to add some of its own particular interpretation to what quantum theory is.

5:15Okay. So with me, I don't find fault with any of it. I feel all is necessary and more than necessary acceptable because each of us being individual once, no, like each we are. Okay. Is that we don't really see everything the same and it's not going to happen and come to us the same as everyone else. So when we try to use any particular little particular whatever and say that everything has to fit with this to be correct, it's not going to work and never will. Okay. So we need to say be in open to saying that there's 40 of us standing around the elephant and the only thing we can talk about is the particular part of the elephant that we are facing directly. And then we would come up with so many different variations of what the elephant is. But if we put them all together or run them all together in some sequence, we'll find

6:16out that all, wow, great. This was an elephant. Okay. So that's what we're doing with science and bioscentrism. We're trying to put pieces together for you so that you can actually have the benefit of what we say is proven. It's substantial or credible. And then what we have come to explore in our consciousness with the imagination, the imaging part of the inward being that we are. For myself, I can clear right off the top and for those who know me and those who have been following our show, you know that I stay very much as God centered. As far as I'm concerned, source is real. Whatever sacred name you choose to call it, however you choose to define it. Its presence is real. It's physical. We tend to accept that God is a theoretical and beyond us. And it's not. It's within us. bioscentrism has come closer and closer to helping us acknowledge that truth.

7:21But what we seek as far as the sacred words were source is within us. And that our particular word in what I say, the science and spiritual field now is now we have this word consciousness. And then you have on team million people trying to give a definition to a word that cannot be described. Okay. And we cannot put it in a test tube and we cannot bring it into the laboratory and stick it under the microscope. So now we're trying to say, okay, it's credible, it's real, but we can't tell you what it is. We can't see it. We can't touch it. We can't contain it. Okay. And so bioscentrism comes back and says, hmm, that's not true. That actually the physicalness of it is something that we experience on the very common level of everyday living. And that the very evidence of it is our everydayness. And so it's very physical, you know, to say that we believe in a source or something

8:23greater than ourselves. And that means it has to be unphysical. I think that if we truly get into understanding the actual story and existence of Jesus Christ, we have to realize that it is very physical. And that physical means it's with us right now that we don't have to wait till we're no longer a body. And that we don't have to then actually say that anything that we have come to experience on the earth is wrong, bad or whatever. Okay. We are here to explore and fail. We are here to explore and succeed. We are here to explore. And so therefore to say that we won't make mistakes and we won't fall short and that we won't be perfect, those are all true. And in that it's expected. So therefore there's no judgment that we have to worry about that what we want if anything

9:24to worry about is are we happy with ourselves? If we're happy, then we're on the right track. If we feel peace, oh, then we're in the right place. So as we do that and today discuss with you some of our own reflections on biosentraism, keep in mind that consciousness means God. Okay, the reason scientists is now willing to talk about consciousness. They've done everything they can to avoid the word God or great spirit. Okay. Or whatever particular sacred names in various languages and cultures. And the point is that they do not come anywhere near accepting that there is a source. Okay. And in that then they can't connect anything. So biosentraism, especially Dr. Lonza and his many cohorts, they're all agreeing with that that there's that you know that you're not we're not connecting things. It's not one thing is saying of itself something that sounds very, very powerful and good, but

10:29then we can't connect it to the other stuff because there's either contradictions or missing space. And that's simply simply because in this, this I'm saying this after 60 something, 68 years out of my 85, then I have been working very much with forums with the scientists, very leading edge people, cutting edge people in the field of research and understanding who human and existence. And with that everyone admits that when we leave out the equation of the source, okay, then nothing makes sense. We can't put it together. It doesn't compliment. It doesn't in any way actually connect to where it makes a wholeness of anything. And then you have all of these ridiculous little individual plots of things that never really can go anywhere because they can't really be of any use in the simplicity of its

11:30nonexistence. So we were talking biosentras and please pay attention. We're talking consciousness and we talk consciousness. We are talking source. So with that, I'm going to jump over and let my co-host today give us some other thoughts on all of this. And let's start with you today, Gabby. What's up and what have you been looking into this week? I've sat you know with the beautiful way that biosentras and gets us to think outside the box that you know, whether we go down the road of physics and say this is proven or is not proven or we go into the realm of the philosophical or the belief knowing in God, it gets us talking and that's what I really like. It had me talking in my mind and you know looking at physics, it can explain a lot.

12:32This can explain how neurons transmit in the brain and in the heart, how molecules interact. It can explain how energy flows. It can explain the body, our nervous system and all those things. But when it comes to consciousness there, there is an inkling that it's there but it can't be explained by physics. The brain workings itself, they cannot connect to what the conscious experience actually is and that is really exciting because it leads me in my living, in my thinking into my consciousness is a self awareness, an awareness of the environment around me and what I perceive is unique to me because I'm a unique being but I only not just perceive, I actually know I do create my environment, I create what I perceive and that's where it becomes really,

13:37really exciting that knowing that there's a power behind it that we as humanity are not mere puppets living in this universe, living on this beautiful earth that has been created perfectly for us and our needs and where our needs are continuously met in the most amazing ways but that we actually have a creative power to make it what we need it to be and I find that really exciting that our perception intertwined with our external and internal world that we are not separate that what's out there is not out there, it's in here and that's where it started and that my observer is the one directing where this goes and I found a research, a couple of people who researched the subject other than Robert Lanza and I came across Richard Swinburne

14:39and he has, he's an English philosopher and was a professor at the university there for many years and he brought some principles and one of them he says when there's an absence of special reasons to the contrary of things they're probably as they seem to be and I relate that to if if I know God and I know the influence of God in my life and that I am one with God I have a right to do that and that is real for me and I don't need physics to prove that in any way and he also looked at free will and saying that intentions cause physical events in our brain, in our body, in our environment and they cannot just be reduced the material brain activity absolutely not because there is a distinct difference between brain events and conscious events

15:44and we cannot scientifically predict what someone might do for example if moral questions arise they go down to each and every person's consciousness that's just some things I've been pondering upon as she says oh just some things I've been pondering on and we sit in such deep thawgen say such trivial response to him right that's exactly what we do and and and and and any even date other people will be discussing the weather and we're going to be discussing consciousness while I mean really ladies let's get a little bit all right Eloy what are you going to share with us to do in this week Toyota's easy choice sales event is on whether you're looking for the performance of the camera the versatility of her app for the efficiency of a corolla or all electric driving in the BZ there's a Toyota that's just right for you and with great deals across the lineup now's the time to find yours but hurry these deals won't last long Toyota's easy choice sales event and soon

16:51we make it easy Toyota let's go places now that we know Gabby sitting there at beautiful mountain beauty pondering on consciousness well the pondering is a good word because that's what is invited when we look into consciousness and the key things I mean just having the book is a little trigger of things because it's been read it quite a few times but that whole concept of the sound of a falling tree is there a sound if you're not there to hear it now there's a there's a science behind it yes air waves are compressed they move there's a you know a living entity whether it be a human or a bird or something has a sense organ that gets those compressed waves and calls that a sound but then my pondering was taking it further is like does anything exist if it is not sensed does anything exist if it is not witnessed and in this is the pondering of who is the

17:58witness is it only there or not there in in so called my world if I didn't witness that it didn't exist in my world but the ultimate witness is the source or is God and it can be the next question in the pondering is why would a source create multiple opportunities for perspectives co-creating life and that's that's really where this keeps coming to any part of the book any part of that question on what is reality comes back to reality being a co-created outcome and that word co-creations mentioned frequently in as you mentioned you know whether it's a new age community or whether it's that that area of inquiry where people are starting to say well it's me too I'm creating

19:06and then there's the part well everything's fate and and God the source has created a sequence of opportunities and then your actions will will make it a greater probability of which one you go upon and then there's other views that are it's completely open in terms of the probability of your life path yet your your lineage that you pick up the storylines that you pick up from the people your chosen ancestry and your chosen place of birth and your chosen current life then will influence and narrow down the likelihood of the path you take nothing says that there's anything off the table that's what's really interesting here so that idea of can you hear a tree does a tree make a sound if it's falling in the forest it's like what is my life if I am not perceiving it and if I'm not perceiving it is there a source greater than the one perspective that I am that's

20:06what I've been looking at sources created so many perspectives if I want a bigger picture a bigger understanding of this as human then there's two ways and he mentions here when you stop thinking and you see that in so many texts whether it be religious or meditation or even mental health least a stop thinking and in that moment where we stop thinking and professor Fred Allen wolf talks about this very well as well that things happen when you stop thinking you're then not separate there's a realization that it's not me here and out there out there that line gets blurred of me as the entity and the other thing is to gather perspectives from other people that simple gather around listen and as you listen to the perspectives of others there's a I feel now there's more of a ability to relate to the source of will of course I want lots of perspectives the more perspectives

21:13the bigger and richer this picture can be and there's some things that I've been pondering all right so basically let's see where we basically when we're saying we're pondering what we're doing is actually trying to put together some thoughts of the different things we're studying and what we're what usually as far as we're concerned on this show the things we purposely expose ourselves to which is the advancement of any information on understanding consciousness and human okay so basically all of the various sciences especially right now because a lot of science is involved in our government I'm very impressed that our president here in the United States is very very trusting and very interested in what science offers is predicting and what role can it play in helping us actually come to being a better world and when we look at that most every

22:18science especially meaning of what I would consider the advanced sciences that we would say are spiritually based there's a lot of what we aspire of the spiritual community are looking at today and kind of laboring that our spiritual sciences which quantum is one physics and now definitely biology so when we begin to explore as we have and I think we especially those of us who have evolved through well when I would consider metaphysics and write on through the various levels of curiosity and exploration that we've done we've used the word energy a lot you know moving energy and when we hear a little the little cliches we've made we're not the body you know so we're we're in a lot of denial of what I would see the very evidence of God's presence and everything

23:19being raised with Native Americans and spending the first 20 years of my life very much within the native beliefs and understanding of what God in the life and value and the whole thing is of well pursued all other religions throughout my life traveled all over the world when in every church and every niche in cranny where people were praying or talking or looking or exploring and seeking awareness and relationship with God and it is the same it is the same though we call our religions by different names we have different cultural particular ways we reflected in everything else the hunger the insensible hunger that we have to know God comes from the need of having a spiritual physical spiritual experience with God we know that we're born we know that if we

24:20go to the fundamental perspective of what the Bible offers or the various global scriptures that when did we understand the suffering of being human we understand the falling out of grace and you know the whatever particular situation we're in by making the mistakes that have been made and falling out of well following the commandments and the way of life as God has put it to test and so forth but when we get into all of that it just gets crazy it gets it gets it gets I don't even know I wanted to write or you know a word that I could use it just goes that far beyond anything that makes sense and then we run around in our own communities we're going to we're not the body we're this we're that and then we use the word consciousness which nobody can truly define because it's not measurable and defiantable right so now we find ourselves on that to be a good example of what we're going to find out what's going to make God tangible what's

25:24going to make God human what's going to make God real for us human is to see the God that we are the child of God that everything in every world is going to be a good example of what we're going to make God real for us human is to see the God that we are the the child of God that everything in every scripture and every particular religion around the world sees we are children of God we have been created by God and in the creation be it just an art do other pieces and come out with some beautiful logic whatever we're saying when we use and define the word creation and creator it becomes a part of the creator and that's that's what we keep looking at in science and science won't come to talking about that is what part of that are we

26:25what part of that is the body what's what's the use of the body if we're going to discard it and say we're not the body okay and we don't know how ridiculous that is okay because how do you measure anything what do you make of yourself and what are you looking at is your body so then we have to say the body is the alter see then I fall back onto my roots and my native life and we didn't have a word in our language that said body nothing was body everything was of itself an example or an expression of the creator self the great spirit our body as we say and hear it today is called alter it's an alter it's a sacred place where the great spirit meets us and works with us and interacts with us expresses itself in us so then for me you know with all of the scientists and

27:32everything over the years I've involved in it's for me to help them understand what it is okay I'm going to have to let you pick it up here because the dogs are having them so you're all figured it please it is interesting as is Gabriella I I I looked at you know the physical body compared to our soul and and the the connection and I came to an example by Fred Alan Wolf a physicist in his book The Self Where Universe where he describes the physical body as a car and consciousness as a driver and I found that example is very relatable and I can share that with people it makes sense to many in saying my physical body right now is the vehicle I have on earth to be living here if I did not have a body I would not be able to exist so that is my

28:37my car so to speak but how do I drive it I tap into consciousness and consciousness is tapping into the larger universal field of awareness and spirit and through consciousness as we are learning I'm actually able to collapse what some have proven on a quantum level the possibilities that exist into my life or I might be guided into a different timeline where what I consciously create happens so then my physical body will be almost at the receiving end of that and looking at that further I came to to again Ahmed Goswadmi a American physicist who's written many books on on consciousness he he definitely shares with us that consciousness not matter is the fundamental

29:38ground of all existence and the universe itself is self aware so we are communicating with that all the time and that our material world does not exist separately from us it it is created through our consciousness and again last time we spoke about that you know the example that Robert Lanza gives off the kitchen is the kitchen the cupboards that are on a you know on a quantum level all just particles moving around is the kitchen actually there when I turn off the light and walk out and I've been having fun playing with that every time I walk into my kitchen and turn on the light I have that moment and think no the kitchen is not there until I perceive it to be there and just to follow on from Dr Goswadmi again it's it's this important part to realize that our brain activity cannot just be the one determining what is happening for us because it would

30:41leave no room for human agency for our self-determination for our free will but in knowing that through the HeartMath Institute and other organizations that the heart has more neurons than the brain that we do need to go to that part to the heart we need to go there to speak to communicate to create and come away from those thought that yeah thought is a good word there that the brain is doing it all it is not through the heart and our connection with consciousness our connection with God is how we create reality and that is just so beautiful and powerful that's very well said but definitely confusing because then we're going to have people that I'm already seeing the board lit up so how do you define and describe it how do you know you're in the heart okay and yes it's hard enough to decide when we're in the brain little when we're in

31:44the heart so when we come again and we try to connect body to consciousness we then try to find locations such as what you've just done Gabi which was a good attempt but then again it fall short doesn't because see we still can't put our hands on it all right we still we still can't have that control that we need to not feel vanger not real sure lack of confidence so then we have to go to what I call the imaginative we have to go in to the imagination we have to use our brain to explore the inner being of what we are yes the heart is there and I agree 100 percent we have more neurons and it is the communication center and so forth and on but again when we say we're not the body what we're doing is trying to say we're more than a body not omitting or saying let go of the body or not respect the body the body is the altar and the altar is where the macro and

32:51micro experience of God has its experience so the body is very needed of that but the body in itself is evolving so it's changing the brain itself is changing we now have five layers of tissue on the brain that says there's been five worlds that we have evolved in this body with so basically the body is our passport yes it is our automobile it is the physical mobility and third dimension of what we are saying is the consciousness people used to say consciousness is so okay maybe it still is you know who who again can prove that who can who can actually not prove that so we come back to say well then what can we do what is it give us something I'm saying imagine use the imagination the imagination is where we can actually be physical with God it is in the

34:00experience of us putting image and creating from the inner being the energy that we are that we can put under that telescope or under that microscope or under anything that would try to measure it our scientists are very clear that they cannot measure a cosmic ray it is too fast it is too something it is just not measurable so that's what we are and that we have definitely proof that we can prove with technology that we exist in so many levels of of of of awareness we use the word awareness meaning that we have some cognitive understanding of of being it or with it or experiencing and that's different worlds they say that's different worlds so we're we're a being of multicultural experiences of even what life the simpleness of a day so then we have to use imagination and I

35:08feel that biosentrism is common to say in that that if if if it exists at all that kitchen you know the particular rooms that you're talking about how how do they exist well when we say they exist so that that we find the blasphemous according to religions to say we are God but whatever we are as co-creator and let's try to play a safe margin here from not being disrespectful but as co-creators in the imaginative level of ourselves our ability to image what we feel we can experience God and the co-creator that we are is what biosentrism is trying to get to that if it is to become of any value as far as being a physical existence it can't happen without us

36:14and then therefore that would be the validation that we then are of God that the very presence the very outcome of the physical presence of God or creator or as my word auto noob is that once I see it it becomes real once I see it it is physical and when I can use imagination and listen beloveds I have seen such miracles of healing and using the mind's ability to image cells to hold us giving people the experience of seeing a living human cell and seeing the difference in that cell because of disease months and ill health but showing them the healthy one and the sick one

37:17or the diseased one and telling them make a choice focus on the one you want not any other language not not any other way of saying it focus on what you want choose and they inevitably will choose the healthy one because they want to heal they want to get well and then they begin to do everything in their power to think at first there's some stress there is in the experiment I see there is some stress because they're trying to be perfect and do it just the right way there is no right way just do it okay do the best you can that's it but then there's the humanist that says okay but you have to be particular well whatever and then finally getting them to where they've exhausted all of the craziness and then they just do it the minute the split nanosecond that they do it the body cells all align themselves with it much like

38:28when we go into an x-ray whenever we go into the x-ray machine and that various sounds and everything within the x-ray that actually flips our cells around you know we can we can follow that with technology now we can actually see the cellular mass of our bodies flipping us we go through the x-ray machine well so can we see it when we do it with our mind when we do the imaginative when we go where we truly exist see we cannot find a way yet for science to accept that that imagination is imaging in action that it's not make believe or phony or whatever children have been told when they're saying they're imagining something we're taught immediately as children that that's not real and in fact some people will say it's sinful it's the devil it's all kinds of stuff and scare the children

39:34but it is the presence of God in us it's our ability to experience it while we are physically here well we are working and evolving and being part of the evolutionary track of the human altar God's altar creator's altar you me simple is that that in the imaginative world we can be we are creating what is the most perfect reflection of ourselves as child I remember entertaining myself because my world was made up of older people I had no children for a while a big part of my life and I entertained myself with nature I would follow the bugs and watch the bugs

40:37it become to know all the different things that the bugs in the ants would do and then the flying things that would fly around and things would crawl things that flew find this swim and even the soil herself and we'd pick her up and let the wind blow the soil across the face of the mother and watch how each little particle becomes something of itself so when we have that ability to be that godly and I hope not to offend anyone by saying that but it is what I believe in my heart that when we allow ourselves to be that godly we are with God there's no separation that innocence that excitement of beauty of life the power of something of anything

41:41then we are in what bioscentrism is trying to help us understand but it's so simple the connection comes through imagination imaging in action when you take the word apart and define it and investigate it all it's simply saying is imaging in action and what's imaging what what part of us inside us see we could we could measure it now we know it's present now with technology but it doesn't take forms it represents static or it represents a sound or sometimes it changes in shades of color it has many ways that it reveals itself and it's thought as Gabby said thoughts are interesting are thinking imaging vision in

42:46but it's where it's real why is it real because when we can see it in technology it is encouraging when we do it through the body the body's communications get into it the different organs the different things and how you how you do the body if you are a person applying to not feel good then you know you're going to affect what the image is if you're a person who is happy and looks for the better things you're going to see other things so the body does have influence there's no doubt about it and who is it that actually determines what the body is experiencing as Dr. Lon's experiments that Gabby shared is okay that's only whatever we want it to be whenever we actually view it so again what is it that makes it real imaging we imagine it to be that and that's what

43:56it becomes no different in the third dimension than in whatever this eighth ninth and tenth and fourth eighth dimension is what you're doing your imaging so when biosentrism we're at that we're at that window that doorway or we're getting ready for science to actually say you can't leave out the source anymore and when you actually admit to the source you'll understand that consciousness is us and that everything each one of us are experiencing is unique of that which we give the most sacred of names so what can you add to that young lady let's see what you have there all the way you're gonna throw some two cents on that yes yes in the the practical part of it because I was

45:04reflecting what does that mean in a day like when I get up if I've done the imaging and I've written it out and it's gone well this is like a real thing a meeting happened and it said that and afterwards I I still had this feeling it's like well it's also like you're saying God God is physical and then I was looking at that concept of the devil you know and the devil is if we want to call it something it's it's a subtlety that is opposite the creative the the choice of being creative the choice of imaging if I'm imaging I've chosen to do something sometimes the thoughts that there it'd be like where did they come from a thought there's a thought and a thought is a think a thought can be quite out of the blue and can almost be an insight and it's like well where did that come from and I think in those moments to it's to say well I'm always with with the source or

46:11with God so ask you know who's speaking and when it's the thinking that adds to that and then says well what about this and what about that rara that thinking then to be identified that is that taking me away from that original thought it's simple am I making it complex with this thinking and when I look at what by a centrist by a centristism is teaching it's who I let in that door that does the narrative the results in the outcome so it's if I want to walk with God and listen and as Gabby was saying with the heart like how do you listen how do you know and I would say there is a time if you're choosing to create then your you're doing that from that God's base you're choosing it if you've gone into a mind numbing space

47:15whether it be all the sorts of things that add us distractions in today's world including excessive eating including maturing talking for nothing including scrolling on a device I think when we apply this practically we can know I am creating my reality because as I perceive it and see it I created it if it's something I didn't like then use that as feedback and say I can redo this I think that's a really powerful part going forward to know that we can redo there are still consequences but we can choose to redo okay so basically you're I hear what you're saying where you're still saying the possibility is right there I don't even see it as possibility anymore I know it is a probability looking at knowing there'll be in with the scientist

48:21that I talked to on a weekly basis knowing where they're at now I mean everyone is just warning themselves out all of the all of the stalks people that for years as far as that concern have been very rigid and their determination to not relate to source or God or had any kind of spiritualness or biblical influence on it or anything has now softened greatly because there is no place to go there is you know like I said you have now you have AI which is as close to coming to something outside the box that science can't actually say you know I say and then I remember a conversation about a month ago to where one of one of the world's most recorded scientists I don't use names because it's not I'm not trying to put any of these guys behind the eight baller

49:21on the spot everything but he made this really powerful presentation and everything to the to villainizing AI and saying it is just a hoax and it was the word hoax that is kind of I think stone the rest of us listening hoax what do you mean hoax I mean the reality of it the actuality the actual having it's you know it's happening I don't you know hoax is something that is phony that is not present you know that is it's not real in other words somebody's pretending it is but it is and I mean AI is very real okay and people are using it it's very effective it's it's God it's presence it's not any longer a question it's it is no longer even a probability it is a fact okay but anyway he he he he's very highly respected like I said it accredited and he

50:25gave this 45 minute presentation on denouncing AI and that it really isn't you know it's just yeah almost summing it up as the AI is some pre-recorded something or whether that people call into and you know turn out and that it has no interactive capability it has it is not an intelligence it's you know and the guys leased for that was present at the end of the presentation I came back with real heavy and strong with disagreement and all kinds of proof and you know giving all kinds of lead information to follow up on and everything else and their whole perspective is that AI proves consciousness exists of itself and then it can only exist of itself is it if it is of a

51:26supreme source far beyond anything we can actually account for so again the word God was omitted but definitely insinuated so but like I said when we when we see what's going on we are already in it where you know we're living it and consciousness isn't something that's going to happen we we are our consciousness but how do we come to peace with it how can we you know talk about it and and understand it without 16 different arguments against it or whatever awareness you know I've heard people say what consciousness is nothing other than awareness no that's that's that's not even exact in itself awareness in itself means that you are just physically very much uh oh you know aware or knowing of something happening about you and consciousness isn't so when we look at the

52:32brain itself and realize how many layers of experience we have in the brain itself all of the various vibrations we we are experiencing that which we call consciousness at different frequencies so we're in beta we're actually having the body override most of what we would consider as the open consciousness because the body is taken at least 60 70 percent of the field of activity so it like I said before me looking at the brain research of abconcally involved in and then looking at consciousness even with that I know that the brain itself is not capable so when we're saying consciousness we are talking about a living presence we're not talking about something that looks like a huge piece of cauliflower with all of its wrinkles its tissue and all

53:37of its different cellular masses and all of its little wires and its little you know corridors itself so no matter how we dissect it and what little pieces we tend to look at it there's no way to explain that the brain can actually perform what we are called in consciousness so it works with it the body works with it everything in the environment's working with it we are of it and yet we at this point cannot define it and maybe we never will maybe it's just done something that words can actually be a part of so at this point let's sum up our today's discussion and leave a little bit of a message of happiness and hope for everyone who is out there seeking consciousness just to know that it is definitely there and don't give up keep pursuing it make sure that you live your understanding of it to be conscious is to be happy

54:44to be healthy to be wealthy and kind all right L.O.A you have a closing I think anything would be that every time you're looking you are creating and appreciate take that time to appreciate people do the gratitude take the time to appreciate what you saw of beauty and know that you are part of that and beauty is a big part of it yes yes yes there we go with Mount Beauty Gabby sitting up there in Mount Beauty and what will you close with today it is just for everyone to be open to well we're not arguing with physical laws here we're not you know not we're looking at science as well but knowing that there's a gap somewhere and I'm sure many of us feel that like you know there's a little room to move where we're not sure and just to allow that to allow your own pondering to come in and say what what is that place and then

55:48contemplate that consciousness could be it that you you are connected to a much greater self-aware universe and that you are car creators and and and play with that because it's very joyful and empowering just be still and hold hold your pondering okay so we will close this and we're going to be covering a few more chapters in biosentres by Dr. Steven Lanza so make sure you pick up the book and enjoy the journey yourself meanwhile have a happy happy week see you later oh see oh thank you for listening to Quantum League Book Club for more information where you can contact us go to L.O.A. Radio Network dot com forward slash quantum hyphen league have a great week