Full Show | Midweek Mail Run with Mick Guerin & Tony Johnson (30/9/26)

0:00Find hot savings for cold days at Chemist Warehouse like Go Healthy Magnesium Glacenate, 120 veggie capsules now 29.99, save 10 and save 25% on a last-a-plus protective wrist stabilizer only 44.99. Chemist Warehouse, great savings every day. Yeah, Makers in the House, we'll get to them in just a moment, just going 11 o'clock, got to get to some of your texts about these movies. I knew I was taking a lot on. Hard to whittle it down to five, even by eliminating motorsport and boxing. Kenny and Fung are eight. Morning, my movies are field of dreams. Any given Sunday, 61 with the asterisk, that was a great movie. That was about Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle vying for the home run record. Good call, the natural and the kick. Was that the one about Stephen? Stephen Benville. I don't know if it quite belongs in that. Absolutely, absolutely. Thanks for that one. Absolutely belongs in there. You heard the last couple says Jason Moneyball was a hell of a good watch.

1:00In my opinion, it was Brad Pitt in Moneyball yet. Morning Tony, I think the best sports movie is Invincible. The story about Vince Papali making the Philly Eagles after open tryouts. And finally, Jason, high T.J. Great list. Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. My fun fact is that Harold Abrahams, the guy who was in chariots of fire, was the commentator in 1936 when Jack Lovelock won his gold medal at the Berlin Olympics. Cheers Jason. Thank you for that. Yeah, you're right. Come on Jack, come on Jack. Oh my god, he's done. Yeah, amazing piece of commentary. And that was the same guy that won the 100 metres in chariots of fire. Hey, thanks for all that. And just before we get to make some headlines for Carter. Yeah, just quickly Phoenix Crossland has paid the Kiwi tax at the NRL judiceries, called the Four Week Band. So Mrs. The Grand Final and the first three games of the Rugby League World Cup as well.

2:01Twice Formula One World Champion, Fernando Alonso is continuing with Aston Martin, who haven't unchanged lineup for 2027. And it's all been confirmed now by the Premier League. Manchester City have been found guilty of all charges related to serious breaches of financial rules by an independent commission. But they say Manchester City arranged sham contracts with a number of its commercial partners to disguise a funding scheme to artificially inflate the club's revenues and reduce its cost by more than 900 million pounds. Yeah, our headlines come with the PGG rights and turf helping create the stage for finals. Heroes, he's one of our heroes. That's nice to hear, Jo. What was the movie story? I just told you, you're top five. What were your top five? I didn't have boxing movies because I'd already done that. And I left motorsport out of it because there's too many boxing movies. Yeah. I had actually a couple of really, I saw my apologies. What were you talking about? A couple of baseball movies.

3:01And there I had a league of their own. Yeah. And that was at number five. That was Tom Hanks. And I had a ball Durham. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ball Durham was my number one Kevin Costner. I had a couple in there on American football. Remember the Titans. And I had any given Sunday, amazing movie without the opportunity, Oliver Stone, yeah. And Carrie, it's a fire. Well, fun, innit? Bazaarly, does this just look great, Racy horse racing movies? So far, yeah, far. That was a great horse racing movie. C. Biscuit was a really well done horse racing game. Champion. Just a story and Bob Champion. The guy that rode red, was it Red, Old Renety, Old Renety? At the Grand National. Yeah. And the movie made about it. Actually, my favorite movie of all time is actually a sports movie. Cheritza Fah. Of all movies of all time. Cheritza Fah is my favorite. Fantastic, yeah. I mean, it was just beautifully called. The story, the strange story about how Arthur Porett didn't get mentioned in the movie. They called him Tom Watson, but it was because he was just so humble.

4:04So, might as funny, having to come and suit the stages of your life, because at that stage, Athletics was a massive part of my life, and it just resonated with me enormously. Great soundtrack to, of course, by Van Jones. Van Jones, yeah. We've been able to put it. Racing is stuff by the way, for the next day. See, biscuit. We've just got a sea biscuit. Can I just get, wait, I just dropped one in here. Good on you, Jeff. I wasn't going to mention it. Jeff has put in his nomination for the worst sports film Invictus. I was trying to get through the whole thing without mentioning it, because I didn't want to watch the movie, because I was there. I'd already seen it. Yeah, but thanks for that, Jeff. That's a good cast, though. Of course, it was. Matt Damon and Morgan Freeman. Seriously. He played rugby in two movies, didn't he? Matt Damon? Yeah, it wasn't the departed. Wasn't there a scene in the departed where he was playing rugby? Up and vast. Baston, yeah. So on the horse racing track, there's been a couple of really good movies, but it's actually been a really big week for horse racing, and as we did every week, if you have any racing questions, Fatherment, W833, we'll try and answer them in our fourth segment today.

5:05Some really unusual things going on. Very short, we're going to talk to Sir David Ellis. He was David Ellis on Monday. He's our sur David Ellis, because he had his own vestiture yesterday, a government house here in Auckland. So we'll talk to David, who's the boss of Tiaka. On Saturday, we go back to business. Well-written is New Zealand-speced horse. She heads to Sydney to take on some of Australia-speced horses. Not their absolute elite, and the $1.5 million Epson. And it's been a long time since a New Zealand trained on the ground horse here, one race of that statue. It's been too long. Can she do it? We'll talk to Steven Marsh out of Sydney. She flew last night. He flew yesterday. They're both in Sydney. And then we mentioned on Monday, show TJ, that war woven won the golden rose. Now, you're putting them in a hood of him. He's a big chunky horse. He's worth about $15 million now. But he's by sort of state, whose Danzig Cambridge stud. I'm going to talk about the ecosystem of racing.

6:06How one win here can have such massive repercussions for a stud in New Zealand. Cambridge stud, a very famous stud, of course, these days owned by subrendan and Lady Jo Lindsay. We'll talk about what the economics of that name is got called up from Cambridge stud. But it's a first chance on support nation. It must have been a plenty of times before. To talk to the boss of TRK, Sue David Ellis. Good idea, David. Congratulations. Congratulations, Sue David Ellis. You won the radio with us for the first time and Sue David. Sue David. Yes, probably I am Michael. Well, that's the last time I'm ever going to call you, Sue David, and you're a tie-alike. You can get it up off your knee now, mate. Tell me, what was it like? Talk to us about yesterday. So your investiture was in Auckland. I know some people have theirs in one item. So I think you're allowed to take five or six family members with you. Tell us what the experience was like from when you started

7:06putting the collar on time on the morning to when they don't know this, but I presume they tap your either shoulder. It's the most humbling experience that you could ever have in your life. I got up yesterday morning and hit a bit of my task. I caught a pass nine. I was allowed to take five people. I had the choice of going to Wellington. I got my asked Queen's honour. I went to Wellington. So this time I thought I'd go to Government House in Auckland. And it was really a very humbling experience. And one that so many people involved and that have helped me over the years. So David. So many people that have... Just what do they actually do? So I presume you're sitting in a room and then they call you forward.

8:08And obviously we've all seen movies where they get the sword and tap your either shoulder and say, arise, sir David. But is that actually anything what it's like in reality? It is for a knife hood. You stand up and somebody reads out what the knife hood's for. And then the Governor General asked you to come forward and you have to kneel down. And then she... Officially nights you, I guess, you'd call it. And then you have a chat to her for about two minutes. And then you go back to the table. Once the ceremony is over and you'd be there with your wife, Lady Karen and some of your family members, what happened next? What was the emotion like once that moment had happened and then you were able to share it with the people you love?

9:11Well, we left the Government House at 11.30 and went to a nice restaurant with 14 friends for lunch. And we had a big celebration. And it was a super afternoon and one that I was just so proud of because there's a lot of people that... It's in my name, but it's really for a lot of other people, too, like Karen has been quite incredible for 22 years. What she's done helping me personally, helping you with the business, helping me with the farm. And then there's people like Mark Walker who has worked since the day left school 35 years ago. And Sam Burgesson, Reese Trumpa, Hunter Durant, these people, Tom Murphy, my racing manager, I can't do it without them.

10:12And then on the farm, I've got the best team that you could have in Luke Copeland, and Mick Morrison, who run the sheep and cattle, and then Dean Locate, it looks after the horses. So I've got a big team and this honour is for those team. And also for the owners that have supported me and have been part of the Tiacca family for so long. Brilliant. All right. So how do you see, this is an interesting one. The protocols of this heading forward, because for example, if I'm doing a gig for New Zealand Bloodstock and I'm interviewing Sir Peter Valor on it, I will call them Sir Peter Valor. But I won't call them that when I'm talking to him normally. I call him Peter, same with Brendan Lindsay. I'll call him Big B, but if I'm talking to him on television, I'll call him Sir Brendan. So who calls you what? I do, I presume Mark Walker doesn't call you Sir David

11:13to the staff call you Sir David. Do you now sign leaders, Sir David? What's the, when do you use Sir and when doesn't, you're not used to? I, most people call me David and all DC, my initials, and really I'm happy whatever they want, whatever makes them feel comfortable suits me. A couple of years ago, because we're talking to David Ellis, who is the man who started, and is the boss of Tiacar Racing, the biggest racing business in the country. A couple of years ago, you had a few incidents with your health, and you were talking about slowing down, but there doesn't seem to be any slowing down the numbers of horses at Tiacar are purchasing or racing. So where's Tiacar at the moment? Because you have mentioned the fact that you can't potentially do this forever, but you don't seem to be that interested. In shrinking the business.

12:13No, at this stage, with people like Reese and Sam involved in the training, and Laura McNabb running the office, so well, I just want to keep going, and so that they get a really good chance in life to have a big involvement. And that's what gives me the thrill is seeing young people do well, and also to see the thrill of owners get winning these races. That's a big part of it too. So yes, I was in hospital, 13 months ago, but I've had a complete clean bill of health, all the equipment I've had, so first, and the doctors couldn't be happy with me. When you've had an operation like you had last year, one of the things the doctors tell you is that for those who don't understand

13:14renal operations, which are kidneys, obviously, is that you're not supposed to smoke. Now, need you to tell the truth. Just between us. Did you light up a cigar yesterday? Yes, I did. Okay, I thought you were. I'm allowed to have an occasional cigar, because as I tell people, it's the only proven formula for controlling our cybers. Not entirely sure. I'm not entirely sure of that story, but never mind. Take this for people who don't know, David, because obviously sport notion is basically a sport base show. We have a bit of racing on it. Just give us an idea of the scale. So Tiacl have a basin crisis, have a base in Mutamata, and they have a farm, obviously what you own, and they have stables in Cranburg. Between all those facilities, between brood mere jealings, race horses the whole lot. How many horses would be on the books for Tiacl? Well, we've got 100 in work in Mutamata, 24 in work at Christchurch,

14:1745 in work in Cranbourne, and we'd have hundreds belling or brood mares or bowls at the farm. Okay, so well over 250 horses on the books. What's your best chance for tangerine, or in someone else's colours, who races horses with mark and se, of training or winner in the next week or two, David, because as much as we are thrilled for your investiture, and all we have done for New Zealand Racing being recognised, we still like a winner. So what's one you can tip us out for this sport nationlessness? Well, we've got a film called Aventage, who's out of Aventage, who you'll all remember, and she's taken a bit longer than I thought, to really show something. She's one who lasts two or three,

15:17but the way she trialled the other day, with hope beyond, I can see her winning very quickly, and we've got a really nice tear out by Spurder Boom, called San Arty, that won a car recently. He looks like he's a great, correct a million horse, and we've got a pinnacle coat that we think is very, very good, and there's a couple of shares left in him. Okay, look David, it's Sue David. It's great to see you recognise that not only putting so much enjoyment into people's lives, Tiara has been a huge employer of Kiwis, and some Australians, along the way, it's put money in people's pockets, which are put people's kids through school, and all those sort of things that big businesses do. So congratulations on yesterday to you and to Lady Karen,

16:18to everybody involved. Ricardo, it's not often we have many sewers on the show. No, it's just going to ask you have to now, you know, start looking at sprinters and distance, and start looking at jousting horses. Is that the next thing you're going to? It's the different sort of night. Oh, I can. So Ricardo watches a lot of movies, David. Congratulations on yesterday. I'm sure the last thing the effort I do in this morning was some radio, because I'm sure there's a few deents in the brain after yesterday's activities that the 14-person lunch. Congratulations. Congratulations. So on behalf of everybody here, all of us here, made it sound. That's a hell of an achievement, and I'm very glad to hear you're going to be trucking on, and there's a 250 new horsesliding we have in the place. So please pass on, I can congratulate you to, congratulations to to Lady Karen. Thank you very much. Great to talk. Interesting. It's a T-Jay. If you've ever been to an ambassador, no, no. I've always wondered what it's like, too. My grandfather got a medal, because he ran the mail boats in the,

17:18in the mail resounds, and he actually got it presented by the Queen. He didn't want to go, but he was told, well, you kind of have to. But no, I haven't been to one. No, it's, well, being got a QEC, and I think there's so many wonderful people in communities like, you know, who get them for services to a whole bunch of things. I think they're fantastic, but, but the Sue is obviously the big one. It's the big chunky one. No, the only investiture I've ever been was when they let me into the, the, the, the seascaughts. I was invested into the seascaughts. Are you still there? I still there. No, heck no. I just moved it. No, I got my fire light as bad, which was all I really wanted. I just wanted to be, you know, a qualified fire lighter, and then I think I left after that. This is on a really discharge. I probably. Hey, so that was, so, the machine here 250 horses. Now, when you think each horse is an individual business, and the average horse, I'll give people listening to this, an idea, an average race horse in training would cost about $30,000 a year. Some could cost 50, some could cost 20, but that's roughly what it cost to have a horse and work.

18:19Well, you can do the math on that pretty quickly. If you've got 250 horses floating around, brood me as a different, it's an enormous contributor to the economy. And of course, all that pace G is two. There's tax paid on all of that. So it was a part of the economy. Some people do not like racing. That's the right. I can, good on you if you don't. It's entirely up to you. But when you think that's one business, so Tiacias business would have a revenue stream far bigger than many, many other major businesses in the country. Whether people like it or not, it is a huge part of the government's tax take. Hey, we've got a text for you here too. Logan Mitchell from, well, he's a good punter. He says here, how good was old fashioned in the Hawkes Bay Guinness? He was super. It's a serious horse here. This is last Saturday. So he'd only had one previous start. A big strong horse came out, won the Hawkes Bay Guinness at a second start, hell of a training performance. And when a little runny horse wins the race in spring, you're like, okay, it's a little bit like a little football play.

19:21You go, he's pretty good, but is he going to stand up to it? But when those big strong horses win a race, you go, okay, there's what they call scoped. There's scoped here. And he's the horse who could turn up at Rikunit and definitely be a chance in a 2000 Guinness. So, yep, big strong horse like him. What happens usually with the horse like him? And he won't be sold because he's owned by a guy called Matt Goodsard, who's a very smart guy. Horse like him starts getting into the ballpark of people offering $500, $700, even a million. And that's one of the problems we have in this country is we have so many good cults. Wouldn't these races, and then they get sold overseas, like Kaying Rising, they go race in Hong Kong and we don't get to see them, but that's a really important part of the ecosystem. I don't think he'll be one of those because he's owned by people who would love to race him and win a Guinness. We'll take a break on the other side. We're going to go to Sydney to talk to Steven Marsh. She has our best horse, horse of the year, well written. The race of her life is this Saturday.

20:24We'll find out how she and he are getting on. It's 24 minutes after 11th Sport Nation. And the text and, and Rik, always happy to answer your text on double eight, double three. We were talking in the last hour about sporting movies and Iris John's texted in any movie or doko on desert orchid or on jockey list to pick it. Well, there is a very good documentary on list to pick it. You can pick it up on YouTube, John. I think it's Peter O'Sullivan, who was a great race and commentator. I think it's him, his voice on it. As for desert orchid, I'm not sure, but I was in the UK living when, when, when, Dezzy, as, I'm sure the man himself, Peter O'Sullivan, would have called him. Like the Chotlin Gold Cup? One the Chotlin Gold Cup, one the, Irish Grand National one. I mean, just absolutely dominated. Fantastic horse. There's a lot of YouTube type doko's on racing. But racing is like, there's not a lot of racing books these days because the market for people who buy these things isn't so big.

21:26And that's why something like Far Lap or Seabiscuit, those movies being general release successful is really important to racing. And I forgot to mention, of course, was right like a girl, the story of Michelle Payne, who became the first jockey to win the female jockey to win the well-known Cup. And it was really, really well done with Theresa Palmer. So it was another movie we missed in my racing. And we talked about Leicester Figot because he came to New Zealand once, didn't he? Oh, Arbor Shaine, Arbor Shaine. I still remember Keith Hobb, his commentary. And he just wrote him over. He's magic this fellow. It was a brilliant piece of commentary, and it was just such a great thing to have him. Generally accepted as the world's best ever jockey, by people, it tends to be two bases for this. There's Europe and England and New Zealand and Australia resonate quite closely with that. And then there's, of course, America. And the America is always there. The American jockeys are the best. So there's been some wonderful jockeys in America. We've got another question for you, but I think we've got to press on because I think we've got someone waiting on the line. I don't think the marsh got a marsh on the line yet.

22:28The marsh, I think, at the moment is the best pound for pound trainer in New Zealand. He should have won trainer of the year at the recent awards. He didn't. Then again, a lot of people who vote at the awards shouldn't get a vote. That's another story for another day. A marsh is a real thing. No, a really thing. But you know what? There's about 40 people vote on the racing awards and only about 10 of them would watch enough racing to be voting. Simple as that. But then again, the hell works also have a lot of people voting. They shouldn't either. One thing I can tell you is, Steven marsh has never trained better. He's going to need to train well this week. He has well written our best horse and the $1.5 million EPSIM on Saturday up against some really big guns. Marshy, I believe you're in Sydney. Almost more importantly, I believe well written is in Sydney. How are the two of you feeling? Just looked into it. That intro, she's, oh yeah. Oh, I think you're absolutely champion. I think you're the best in the business too. There you go. Well, it's a pretty small business. It comes to racing due to some much.

23:29It's like being the tallest on the 7th of the walls. I want to get to it, all right? But here are, as the media, because everybody loves well written. She hasn't raced for three weeks and she won the Prasea plate. But now she has started. It's been serious all along for her, but it starts to get real serious comes out day. Yeah, absolutely. It does. So she left sort of later afternoon from Cambridge. She obviously floated Auckland, got on the plane, arrived at Randwick, where we were waiting for her, over and out of the plane, and I waited at the stables. And look, she got off just after 10pm, and you wouldn't have believed how good. If you could have paid through the travel, it's good, you would have. She just got off the float, not even, you know, you can see sweat marks on them if they've had a sweat at some stage, but she was not one sweat maker. It looked like she'd just been brushed. She looked amazing. She's taken nothing out of herself. She was straight onto the track this morning,

24:29and she's perfect. She has not done anything wrong. She's better than I would have ever hoped for. Okay, she is in the Epson. That's great news. She has, she's arrived well. It's worth $1.5 million. It's worth more than that, because she's a media and a group one winner in Australia counts for so much. She hasn't even bigger race with $10 million coming up at the end of next month. How do you and you are mined, and you would have discussed with the owners, rate what she's been doing in New Zealand, winning a group one last time out with what she's going to attempt to do on Saturday. Is it one length harder, three lengths, five lengths harder? Because I must admit, I've been thinking about it a lot and I can't quite quantify how much tougher this is this week. It's, look, she's going to have to be right on top of the game. I think she's taken a real good natural improvement from, you know, at Prasea Plates. She's, you know, two soft enough trolls until race 14.

25:29I think you've seen her at her best at a mile. You know, 1,000 guinea-thin-correcta-mails probably been her best two wins. You know, she has to be right on her game. You know, first, a couple of ticks of the box, barrier draw, great. The way she's travelled over Brilliant. And just got to hope this, you know, a few people were in here want to tell me the weather's going to pack out better on the week. That would be a, that would be a big mark next to her name. But yeah, look, these sources are hard to beat. There's some, you know, I think there's nine, there's nine group one winners in the field, I believe. And the credible amount I was just talking to a journalist before and he said, you know, it's, you know, pound for pound. It's one of the harder epsons he's seen for a long time. And a lot of horses seem to be here that, you know, may not have originally gone to be. So yet, look, it's not going to be easy. It's going to be very hard. But we feel got everything we want them. Horse trainers lose a lot more races than they would.

26:31So they don't tend to get into dream scenarios because otherwise they can very quickly become nightmares. But what's the best case for what could happen in the run? I presume from barrier three, she jumps away, she sits four for six. No one's leading on top of her and annoying her. And at the top of the straight, Zach Lloyd, your new jockey gets to push the button when he feels like it. Is that the best case kind of scenario for the whole thing? Absolutely. You know, being given that drawer, that gives you a chance to help you out of the gate skip. You know, well ahead of them, it's filled. And then it's up to him to assess the tempo. You know, sometimes in 19 horse field, at a model, at a random rate, they can be pretty high pressure. But you know, she's got good early tactical speeds. She should be able to put herself there. And whether she's four, four, as you say, six, will be dictated to by tempo. But it gives you so many barrier options. You know, you draw outside and you go and back. And you've got to get over 15 of them.

27:32Which makes it difficult. So yeah, I think you have the ideal drawing. What you just hear, you just put it. I think it's the ideal scenario for us. Marsha has been a really interesting time for New Zealand racing. We used to go across there a lot and win major races with New Zealand trained horses. But we sell so many these days. It's so real. Plus, the Australians have these mega stables, Kirinmar, Chris, what is the obvious one? So it's really hard for us to do this. And we don't do it very often. Would there be a little bit of you want to win this for yourself? You want to win it for the owners? You want to win it to vindicate New Zealand form? But is there a little bit of New Zealand flag flying going on here too? Is it a case that you would love to win this just to say to people? Hey, don't forget, our South Racing is pretty serious too. Yeah, it's totally. I mean, there's a bit of everything. I mean, the Kiwis are flying and they're way back Kiwis. You know, like you've got this, you're, you know, Waller obviously, you know, Björn, James, I mean, I think the Kiwis flag is flying high.

28:33But yeah, it is nice. And it's great if our form can be frank. You know, I just feel to say that, it's been a little bit indifferent in the last few months. The horse has come into Australia. But, yeah, it's, I think it'll be great for everyone. And, you know, she's got such a big following. You know, it'd be nice to do it for us and for everyone, for sure. You don't presume, you know, get nervous that often. I've seen you nervous a couple of times that I've asked a couple of years. I think it's your Kiwis day. You wanted it to go right. Is it any more nerve-wracking putting the collar and tie on to go to Renbuk on a Saturday morning that it would be out of the two, sad days ago? No, look at the moment. I think you'd probably get nervous when, you know, I think it was probably at my worst before the like a race. Jimmy Shik, you know, when you know you've got about 80% right, you know, she's going to be vulnerable. But, I'm a lot more relaxed that, you know, she's travelled over so good. Everything's gone perfectly to planned. No, I'm feeling good, but ain't no doubt.

29:35I mean, you're not alive if you don't get a little bit, but nervy and a bit excited. I certainly won't over race, but, yeah, I mean, I'll be, not toy, but I'll be excitable. Come Saturday morning, and I certainly, that's the way I'll expect to be. Mate, you're in a hiding to nothing here because we had you on the show a month ago. We asked you for a winner and you said, I've got four horses I liked today and they all won. Now, so now we're going to ask you if you've got a horse you like at Cambridge today on your home track. And really, it's pretty hard to top that. So if you give us one for the sport, you should list it is, but look, you've probably got some credit in the back to be completely honest after that. The foursome about about a month ago. Yeah, not quite as confident today to be honest, but I thought just to track specialist, I thought confectioners could certainly, certainly go another one. She's been unbeaten on the synthetic. And I'd probably be on here and she's probably a best for the day.

30:38I like Mulana DGW, she's got 50 on live kilos, which means 16 hours and makes it a bit tough. So let's just go confectioners. Mate, I would really love to see you win on Saturday. Not just because we love the horse. It's good for New Zealand racing. It's something you deserve after an amazing couple of seasons. Go well. I'm sure somebody on Sport Nation or on Trackside and TAB, they'll be talking to you between Aaron and Saturday. Mate, but for all of us, wish you the best of luck. We'd love to see the big Gilgit home in the green and white on Saturday. No, beautiful. Really appreciate it guys. And appreciate the support. Yeah, all the best mate. All the best. Go well. Ricardo, confectioners, can you find out the field trust at Cambridge today? I'm just looking. I'm looking. Think it's a bit race four. Mark, I'm surprised you still in the room, and not outside on his phone. I don't even leave the room. Yeah. I do it in commotion, bro. I'm on that. It's not race four, I don't think. It's not race three. I'm just going through. We'll leave you with. We'll leave you with it. We'll leave you with it. We're going to take a break. On the other side of this break, and look, by the way, there's going to be a huge coverage of well-written in the Epsom this week.

31:41Preview shows Thursday morning called the form. They'll be talking about it on Friday. And of course, on Saturday, big Saturday coming up on tracks on massive coverage coming up for well-written TJ. Yeah. It'll be the biggest New Zealand trained winner in Australia. Probably in five years of it, once. Yeah, we found out. Hey, look, we've got another night on the show very shortly. Actually, we were going to have subrendered Lindsay, but he's on a plane. So he's got to have Scott Coolder. Scott Cool. Cambridge stud to talk about really, really big numbers. Okay, it's an early race. It's race two. Confectionist is currently sitting at $3.20. For those of you who can't see this because it's made here, Ricardo just put his hand up like he was a seven-year-old child at a school. Wow. So that's well done, Ricardo. We're two great verbose broadcasters in the room. I feel I just need to make sure I just get in there. You mean because we were in love with the message. Because we were ignoring you and talking to each other. Yes, I just went down with we know. Well, come back with Scott Coolder from Cambridge stud on the other side. To find out what happens when a New Zealand side size,

32:42a massive wooder in Australia, what sort of numbers are we talking about? We'll find out in about three minutes. Can and bomb hanging tough. Yes, Tows has got it all to do. War wave and makes them move now at the 200. And spread it quickly. And War wave and opens up by two lengths on under focus. Then came some gutter. And again, back to the rest of War wave and a brilliant winner in the golden rose. Absolutely straight in there. Some gutter tried hard. He next second at the end from... That was the golden rose one at Rose Hill in Sydney on Saturday. That horse is not owned or trained in New Zealand. He's actually trained by a New Zealander who lives in Sydney, Bjorn Baker. But the horse is bred at Cambridge stud in New Zealand. He is by a stallion called Sword of State. Now that is a big bopper race. That is a really serious deal. He's a cult. He's now worth some random vicinity of $15 million. But for Cambridge stud, it means they have one of the most exciting young stallions in Australia, which is the whole Southern Hemisphere,

33:44when it comes to breeding. Scott Kourde is one of those people at Cambridge stud who makes the place run. He knows the place inside out. Scott, when you hear that and when that moment happened on Saturday, what does it mean to the people who work alongside these beautiful horses at Cambridge stud every day? I'm not sure. I'm going to put a bit of a smile on my face just listening to the audio again. So, yeah, it was a massive thrill for everyone here on the farm. You know, we watched the stallions progeny very closely every weekend and sometimes at ends and tears. And then, yeah, a day like Saturday just really makes it all worthwhile. But as you touched on, I think even though war was technically an Aldi breed, it was a huge result for the New Zealand industry. And it has a lot of consequence not just for us here at Cambridge stud, but for all of our clients and breeders throughout New Zealand. So, as you said, the stage doesn't get much bigger than a golden rose. And it has massive significance for our blood block industry.

34:47Let's talk about some of the numbers, Scott, because a lot of people listening to this have heard of Cambridge stud. They know it used to be owned by Sir Patrick Hogan, but they wouldn't understand the numbers around this. How many stallions stand at Cambridge stud? And for a horse like sort of state, how much money does it cost for a man to be served by him? And how many meers would he serve in a breeding season? So, yeah, we've got stallions on the roster this year. And the sort of state is the most expensive of those. The service fee is $50,000, which comes with a live-fold guarantee. So, effectively, anyone that sends their meer to sort of state and produces a fee which in his case is $50,000. And, yeah, I suppose, do some of the people an idea of how valuable these horses can become, you know, decable of producing around 100 foils a year, sometimes more. So, when you multiply them up, you can see why these stallions are so valuable.

35:49And it's obviously a big part of our business here is the service fee, some of the stallions, but we also sell our own blood stock, which is something, so Patrick was very famous for through the years. And that's kind of what makes the wills turning around for the stud day to day. Okay, so now sort of state has had, because it's only a second season of horses racing on the track. Now he's had this big bopper winner, a lot, this real big superstar, who may well go on to win the core field guineas in a couple of weeks. Does that therefore make him more attractive to New Zealand, or even Australian breeders? And the fact would some Australian breeders even pit me as on a plane, fly them to New Zealand just to, shall we say, hook up for sort of state, get pregnant, then fly them home. Yeah, yeah, fly and fly out. We do, we have quite a number of Australian clients. Our war-wobin mother is a classic example. She lives over at Cura stud and the Hunter Valley there in New South Wales,

36:52and she flew over earlier this year for a return date to sort of states. And there's many others that do the same every year. So it is an international business in that sense, like our biggest market, for selling our horses, is into Australia, New Zealand, and the Arabians have got a very proud tradition over there, and we rely on doing well in Australia. So that's why having a war-wobin one at a Saturday in a group one, and certainly as massive significance, not just the breeders over there, but more importantly, probably the trainers, the Bjorn Bakers and Jim Clarks of the world that brought war-wobin. We hope to be back in January to buy more of them. It's a performance business. You've got to be doing well on the track and a result like that. And yeah, that's exactly what you need, really. Scott Plenty of people listening to this have got a dog or a cat at home. They've got a favourite animal. Some people, it's a goat or a cow, and they have a baby once a year, and they're over the moon.

37:53Yeah, they get a new litter of kittens and they're both thrilled. At the moment, it's stud season, so the little bubbles are being born. At Cambridge Stado, I believe, Monday morning, for example, there were ten new foals on the ground, and each of them is an entity. Each of them is a business. Each of them is usually owned by somebody different. Must be a fascinating time to get up on Monday morning and find out there's ten new babies on the farm. Yeah, I'm pretty lucky. My phone doesn't go off in the middle of the night when it's happening, but yeah, it was probably, I guess the busiest night in the folling unit. I can remember in my eight years here at Cambridge Stado. So it was a hit that night, and I just had a lady here to see her full this morning, and we were talking about that exact thing, that some of her workmates just were blown away when she describes the facilities and what actually goes on at a stud. We've got two full-time night staff as a vet on call for every folling. Our managers are on call. And the reality is that the horses are incredibly well-keared

38:57for not to deviate folling time, particularly a life and death situation if things don't go to plan. We rely on our experience of our staff and the vets. The reality is, if anything happens to these horses, one of them bangs their leg and the paddock this afternoon, they'll get seen to a lot quicker. Then if it was, if I fall down the stairs, walking out of the office with afternoon, I'd say I'll be on a lot longer waiting list than these horses and they get an incredibly high level of care. And then during stud season, especially there's just their eyeballs on the horses constantly, just to check that they're always 100% healthy and happy. I made it's high stakes, Polka, when you're playing with stallions and some of them are worth tens of millions of dollars. It's a really, really big day on Saturday for you guys and what happened is going to have repercussions and financial bonuses for people all over New Zealand, potentially. I'm not exaggerating this for the next 15 years. Scott, call it from Cambridge stud. Thanks for taking the time to join us, explain to us how this all works and we wish you guys the best of luck. Not only for folding season,

39:57but of course for Jolte, star heading forward and for war woven and the other stock of sort or state. So we appreciate your time this morning, Scott. Thanks, Nick. Great, great time of year to be following the racing. So yeah, look, if you're forward to it, thank you very much. Yeah, for those who don't know, it's funny. So if you have a foul, it's literally like, they send you a video, guess what? You're mere foul today and you see growing adults. I'm talking hard and ass lawyers who live in Auckland, like, you know, cooling over their phones and going to have coffee in the morning and saying that people in the office, look, I've got a foul in some people, look, I don't care. But some people really love it. So it's a pretty amazing time. Ten new babies on the ground, but literally that was a multi, multi, multi million dollar moment for that stud on Saturday. We're going to take a short break, come back on the other side, tee you up for the rest of what's going to happen for the racing week. And don't forget, if you've got any questions, W8, W3 will do our best to answer them in the final segment of today's midweek marathon. Six and a half minutes away from midday on Sport Nation.

40:57Mornings and we have got some questions here, coming through on W8, W3. I'll ask you the first one. Here has there ever been, or have there been many horses more versatile than YTAC at our elite level, Mac? That from brand. Not in recent years, the back of the old days horse has used to race from 1200 meters up to two miles and win regularly. But obviously the specialisation pull was vastly different. YTAC of course won the railway when it was hold at Puca Coe, which is over 1200 meters. And then he won the other day over 1600 but he's also one over 2000 meters. So in the modern era of the last, we'll make the modern era of the last 15 years to give people an idea of how that works. Very, very rare that a horse can do that. You're starting to get into that sort of sun line like Territory for horses who've been able to do it. Obviously, Wynx won from 1400 at the top level up to 2400, because she won in Oaks, but she wasn't a New Zealand based horse. So a very good point. A question has comes from W8, W3 as well for you, Michael,

41:58saying, I see OTI racing have purchased a half share and grosses girl. Will she still be going to 1000 guineas or to Australia? I've got a funny feeling talking to one of the part owners last week and OTI racing is an Australian based syndication firm for those who don't understand what that is. They realise that black type in Australia is really valuable. They were talking about the VRC Oaks, which is run on the Thursday, ladies day, two days after the Melbourne Cup. So she can't go to both. Now the local crop of fillies, headed by how we are, is very, very strong. I think they are more likely to go to the Victoria Oaks with grosses girl than there would be to the 1000 guineas at Rikiden, as she'd undecided, but that's my intel at the stage. Well, we're just about out of time. Make just a little quick Cambridge today. So, Cambridge today, six PM Saturday, well written takes on the Aussies and one of the most important New Zealand trained races for a long time. And in the first today, there's a horse for those who don't want to bear an Auckland on Saturday night. It's called Show Girl.

42:58It goes pretty good. There's one, two of its trials. Show Girl, a horse to look out for in the first at Cambridge today. That goes at one, 21, those markets available now on TAB.go.nz. And of course, BITCH. Thank you so much, Rik. We'll be back here next week. Look forward to a TJ good on you, man. You have a great day, everyone. Cuckoo down, or... Brussels clean up nicely at Sweet Green. Maple glazed, roasted, and edges perfectly caramelized. Sweet Green's fall harvest is back on the menu. And the season's most overlooked little green vegetable is dressed to be devoured. You know what to do. Order on the Sweet Green app. Hi there. I am fully charged. And here to tell you, Toy Story 5 is now on Disney Flash. What? It's been too long, Cowboy. Woody Buzz and Jesse are back for a brand new adventure with some seriously cool new tech. What? Holy butter scotch! You said it, Jesse. So, save your batteries and watch the global phenomenon at home.

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