FULL SHOW 10/1/2026

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1:05Perhaps the most iconic song of the 1980s. It's up there when I think 80s, I think of this song. It is up there. And a good Thursday afternoon everyone. Hello, how are you doing? Well took a day off. My brother was in town yesterday. And hadn't seen him in a while. So took the day off and he turned me on to something. And I am now a disc golfer. Welcome to the club, baby. Good to be in it. You're a forfer. I'm a for for all. I saw you out there. So you little leg flare. That's called good form. Good form. That's not called good form, but it's okay. Really rainy, but did you did you have fun? Do we like this activity? So we we had to like a lull in the afternoon. I'll get into that some other time. You know why he was in town, but we had a little lull in the afternoon. It was drizzling a little bit, but he's like, do you want to go play disc golf? Yeah. And I said, that's for nerds. Yeah. I know. And he goes, it's really fun. And we found this disc golf store called Albatross in Lonex.

2:18You know about Albatross. Okay. So we went over there and I bought my first disc. It's a driver. I said I wanted to play first before I decided if I was going to get the mid range or the putter. I have putters. I know. Got to have at least three. That's right. We went to black hoof in Lonexa right off Monticello. It's a good starting course for somebody who's never played before. And I suck. My brother is really good, but we had so much fun. And we laughed and T was out there with us and T's terrible too at the moment. But we are going to start disc golfing on the weekend. I can't remember where we were or why we were out of town. I have to text him. But about a year ago, we were in a park that has this gigantic fountain geyser. And I mean, and you can tell us on the text line if you know what I'm talking about. This is a geyser in the center of this body of water that goes up in the air like 900 feet. It's crazy.

3:20And so before we left town, I said, Hey, why don't we go down there and see if we can get a picture with this fountain behind us. We show up. There's people everywhere. And we're not sure what's going on. But it's like a tent. There's just a lot of people there. And we look around and we see the Frisbee golf course. I mean, several holes. And it was like an international best in the world. Frisbee golf competition. People of all ages. And so we had a chance to sit there on a park bench and watch. And I mean, some of these, and I'm going to use the word athletes. God, these were people that do not miss leg or arm day in the gym. You know, of all ages, but some of them 40s, 50s, 60 years old, they would rip that thing with such ferocity. It would go a mile. And we just sat there and watched it. I'm like, you know, I knew that this was like an activity. You could do it like Shiny Mission Park. But I didn't know it was like, there's an Olympics of this thing. People take it, people take it very seriously. You'll see guys with the backpacks with like 50 to 70 different discs in there.

4:23Different drivers, different mid range. There's mid range putters, there's short game putters. And it can come down to simply the angle that your hand is at when you release the disc. I learned that a lot yesterday. And whether or not you get a decent throw if it goes into the woods and parks, it's okay to suck your first time. You get the land a little bit better. Well, I'll tell you this one funny thing. And then we'll move on to some serious news in the world today. We're walking out of my brother has like a bat. There's bags where you carry all your discs in. And we're walking out the door after we bought one disc for me, one disc for tea. And then my brother got two more like he needed. I don't think. And I look over to my left and there's a there's a row of bags a bunch of bags up against the wall. And I said, Oh, Steve, I need a bag. I need a bag for my disc. And he just looks, he looks me because you're not there yet. I guess when you get a bag, it means you're a serious disc golfer. Yeah, so I have about 12 discs, but I have not stepped up to the DG bag yet.

5:26Okay. Can we go to Tennessee for a minute, please? Well, I think we're going to go there and stay there. I don't know how we don't make this the lead story of the day. This story from Channel 9 Tennessee officials were unable to put Christophe Pike to death yesterday for a 1995 murder after administering two doses of a lethal drug. A death penalty expert said it was an unprecedented failure. And Tennessee governor Bill Lee halted the one remaining execution for the rest of the year. Pike, who is 50 years old, she was 18 when she committed this crime was alive and loudly snoring after the attempted lethal injection and taken by ambulance from the prison. She was being treated at a hospital, but they said they had not been told about her condition. She was scheduled to die yesterday morning at 10 o'clock. Okay. Then I got a text from like the New York Times saying, I don't know. There's, there was a stay Supreme court stepping in. I'm like, okay. So the stay expired and they brought her into the death chamber around 7 30 last night.

6:27If she had died, it would have been the first female executed in Tennessee in 200 years. Yeah. So they started administering the drugs and she says something to the effect of it feels like my arm is about to burst open. Okay. Then she says, is it really supposed to feel like this? Then the first attempt did not work. Nothing. They had a second IV and they started using that one. She apparently was snoring. And her legs were shaking violently. And she survived. Her attorneys have filed an emergency motion stating that Pike suffered unnecessary agony, noting she failed to lose consciousness maintained a heartbeat and was audibly snoring after both doses. The execution was officially abandoned. You know, there's witnesses to these things. There were reporters in the room. There's always a reporter and there's a witness. They had to then shuffle all of the witnesses out legal experts from NBC News noted that while other executions have been stopped due to like an inability to locate a vein kind of thing, a prisoner surviving after the actual administration of lethal drugs is virtually unprecedented in modern United States history.

7:51She is now in critical condition and receiving quote life saving medical care. So read that we started down this road trying to end her life. Now we are providing life saving care and the irony. Scott, I know there are people screaming in their cars. What about the agony her victim suffered? We are not here to discount the severity of that crime nor will I or discount the fact that someone needed to be punished severely for it. The fact of the matter in that case is several people were involved in that death. Ms. Pike was one of them. She was 18 years old at the time. I feel like it is pretty rare today that we would send an 18 year old to death row for a single murder involving multiple people. I don't know that you would see it.

8:52Especially a woman, especially a woman. And I only bring that up because we suck so bad at the death penalty in the United States. Who gets it? Why do they get it? What are the circumstances of the case? And how do we decide that lethal injection was the most humane way to do it? She had asked for hanging and I remember when I saw that request thinking, well, they can't just go constructing gallows over like you can't just ask for something that doesn't exist. I mean, Kansas has gallows. I've seen them haven't been used in what 100 years since just after the clutter murders were executed. So you know, she didn't she didn't have a choice. This is what their state goes with for whatever reason. It didn't work. This is unprecedented. What do we do now? Well, I think it's going to be really hard to send certain to to give her an execution now.

9:52What if she's not in a vegetative state? I was just going to say what if she now requires medical care for the rest of her life? And you know, I think over the course of a lifetime. And you know, knock on wood you and I are about at the halfway mark, Scott or north of that. You're very optimistic. My feelings in certain cases have changed and I do feel like if if we can't get this right, then we shouldn't be doing it at all. And there are way too many cases where we get it wrong. And I'm not talking about the botched execution. I'm talking about sending people to death row like this individual in his 70s this week turns out DNA doesn't match. He didn't do it. State tried to kill him three times. We don't do this well because it is a human system. It is a human system filled with humans who are flawed, who error, who have political ambitions. Look at the disparity in race, not in this case, but in a whole lot of death penalty cases.

10:58If it is a black person killing a white person versus a white person killing a white person or a black person like it. We don't do it well. And if we can't do it well, why are we doing it? So I heard Sam say this out in the newsroom. It is on the text line. Why not go to shore. I hate the term fire. Sure fire ways to execute someone the guillotine. Oh God. I thought you were going to say firing squad maybe the fire is the 1400s like no, we're not hanging. We're going to do that in the town square. Of course, then we're getting down to like let's this is just a barbaric conversation, but it needs to be had. And the idea of killing somebody for a crime is kind of barbaric in and of itself. Is it not? It is, but part of me and we'll take your calls on this 913-586-7798. Part of me wonders if most Americans like me Scott, I'm still not quite ready to completely give up the notion of the death penalty in a very narrow set of cases.

12:02And that would be crimes involving children and mass murder crimes. 913-586-7798. Here on Dan in parks. I want to say something about the crime. There were four then teenagers involved. It was a brutal, horrifying. That poor girl who died fought for her life and lost. It's tortured. So, you know, I understand the bloodlust in this case. We want something done. The other codifinate by the way, the only male who was there that night was 17 years old at the time. And therefore was not eligible for the death penalty. So he remains in prison for his role in the crime. And again, I bring this up because so many people today are saying good. I hope it hurt.

13:03And I, I do understand that as a mother, you would want vengeance. I cannot imagine the rage in the hurt. You would want vengeance. The mother of the victim was sitting in that room. She's really upset and had to watch what she calls quote a mess that the failed execution was quote a mess. You had mentioned during a break, Scott. She is furious. Furious why? Because Christophe pike did not die. Because Christophe pike is still alive at a hospital. She wanted Christophe to die. And that didn't happen. And there were a number of reporters are actually at least two or three reporters who witnessed this. And they all kick one, one female reporter came out. I remember and said, I covered all of the Tennessee executions last year. And most of them this year, she's on the execution beat. I apparently yes. And I have never seen anything like this. By the way, this is not the first execution Tennessee is botched this year alone.

14:11They tried to execute a man by the name of Tony Carrothers. Convicted of kidnapping and killing three people in 1994. But on the second IV that they were trying to give him, they couldn't find a vein. And so I don't know what's to become of Tony Carrothers, but he's still on death row, but doesn't have an execution date. And after last night probably won't get one for a while. Are we the only developed country that still meets out this punishment? Maybe some kind is look that up. I'll check it out. Obviously, you know, Saudi Arabia does it. Right. But do we want to be in that? Yes and no. I mean, for Johnny Robinson. Yeah. Okay. For a BTK who also killed children. I keep going back to the children that if you are child, God forbid. Think of the Elizabeth smart cases of the world was kidnapped the worst of the worst things done to that child and then murdered.

15:13I think 90% of Americans would say look, even with my personal thoughts about the death penalty, there are certain cases where it's not doing anyone any favors that this person is still here. That's where I struggle. If we could just narrow it down to the mass shooters and the child abductors and kidnappers of the world, I think I would feel better about it. When you look at and I'm not again, it makes me sound like I'm diminishing the one person murdered another person. But sometimes you see a gas station robbery gone wrong and someone is shot and killed. That's a death penalty case. But then over here, how many gas station clerks are shot and killed every year? Those aren't. And it's just there's no uniformity, which to me opens the door for abuse. Around 50 countries still have capital punishment on the books China most of the Middle East most of South Asia.

16:17In the Americas, the United States is the only country that has it. What about your portions of Africa? The only country in Europe is Belarus. I didn't think anyone here over 110 countries have fully abolished the death penalty for all crimes. A lawyer for the death row inmate said she is in critical condition, but is still alive. And that was a seven minutes ago update from the New York Times. But is she conscious? How do you survive? I don't know. Scott, I don't know. And you know, Sam reminded us during the break and you handed it this as well. Just how brutal this killing was. Yes. It was over rumors that the other the victim in this case liked the boy or was trying to creep in on their relationship. And Christophe and the others tortured this young lady beat her with a piece of asphalt to death and then carved a pentagram in her chest.

17:24And Christophe kept a piece of this young lady's skull to show to people. I want to quote here from her mother, the victim's mother, Ms. Slammer, who you said is furious and you certainly can understand that. Quote, nobody remembers Colleen. She told the New York Times of her daughter last month. What has happened in the last 24 hours only makes that worse for this family because everyone today is talking about what happened to Ms. Pike and we should be having that conversation. The other thing with the death penalty, Scott, this was a crime that happened 30 years ago. So the families are then the stays and the appeals and the real damage to me that is done to the families. It is so rare that you have a Timothy McVey type of and that was federal. So there are some differences where he just says I wave all of my appeals, kill me. It just doesn't happen that way.

18:28It doesn't. But see, and that is why I do still think that the death penalty is an effective punishment in certain cases. And I'm with you. I don't know if I was on that jury in 1995 or 96 whenever she went to the killing occurred in 1995. I don't know when she went to trial. I don't know that I could say yes on the death penalty for an 18 year old girl. Let's be honest. Let's be honest, Scott, 18 years old. But for people like Timothy McVey or he's a bad example because he wanted to die. But others who are on death row who fight tooth and nail to have that execution state so they can serve life in prison without parole. That tells me that they are filled with fear and I'm okay with that about the prospect of dying. Let's go to Jose and Liberty. Jose, good afternoon. Hello. I got a thing Scott and Dana. So I heard that this lady, Ms. Pike, had with me mentally challenged.

19:32So, you know, I don't know because she was mentally challenged. How much is she really participate in the crime? Or did she maybe pin the law around her? I don't know. And Jose, thank you for the call. I haven't read that she had any mental challenges. I have read that jurors were not given any information about her childhood trauma. Sex abuse. She was raped twice according to her lawyers. Again, not, you know, not that you look at a case like this and go, oh, well, okay, she's had a rough life. This doesn't excuse what she did to calling that poor girl who we should all be remembering today. But guess what? Every single headline is not about the victim in this case. It is about what happened to Ms. Pike. 913-586-7798 from the text line, the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It never has been. It's not a deterrent. There would be any more crime if you feared the death penalty. It is not a deterrent. It's not intended to be a deterrent. It's intended, in my opinion, to be a punishment.

20:33913-586-7798, let me ask you this. If she does regain consciousness, if she isn't already, and she is sent back to the penitentiary, what do you do with her then? Just let her sit in a cell for the rest of her life. Or do you set a new execution? This is unprecedented in US history. What do you do? Scott, I don't know. It doesn't change the outcome, and now we're just delaying this for the victim's family. This is a mess from A to Z. I don't know how you fix it. Why is it on the taxpayer to then pay for the life of an individual who committed a heinous crime for the rest of their life? Say we remove the death penalty. I'm not speaking for or against it, but we have no plethora of tax dollars in this country. We're constantly looking for more because we spend it in ways that some people may or may not agree with. But now I have to pay for your life because you killed somebody. And medical care, if she needs it, for the rest of her life?

21:35What if she is in a vegetative state? I mean, she won't live much longer, probably. But we don't know that. You can't then return her to the hospital, to the prison. You would have to keep her in a hospital. There's no way. Prison's not equipped to deal with this. No, and nor should they. If she is in a vegetative state, what do you do with her? I mean, do you take her off life support? And call that the execution? That's the world we're in right now because of what happened last night in Tennessee. Do we say, well, we're going to follow through? And she was given the death penalty. We kind of screwed it up the first time. And we kind of screwed it up the second time. But she's on life support and she's not supposed to be living. So let's take her off life support and she will die. 913-586-7798-586-7798. Here on Dana and Parks.

22:39There's some more reporting on this on Twitter, which I've largely abandoned. But in a case like this, this is where you go for information. Even though her heart did not stop, she cannot reliably breathe on her own right now, due to the massive doses of central nervous system depressants. She is actively on mechanical life support of ventilator. The clinical reality they write is a holding pattern. This says doctors at Vanderbilt Medical Center took her to Vanderbilt, apparently. Are stabilizing her vitals mechanically while her liver and kidneys work to metabolize the toxins in her body. No official neurological status, such as brain death, can be verified by the state until all of those chemicals completely clear out of her system over the next several days.

23:39The medical limbo continues. And again, what do you do if she's in a vegetative state? How long is it going to take to get all of that? I once said several days of that story, didn't it? And then you can do some sort of cognitive testing on her to see if she's there or not? I'll tell you this, this was an adult crime for which there should have been an adult punishment. But the video in court of them leading her away after she has sentenced to death. She screams back, I love you. In the 1980s, what is she described that's got? What is she wearing? Look in her hair. What, I don't know what the... She's wearing a scrunchie. No, and again, we all the girls wore them. She literally looks like every... She to me looks like a child who committed a very adult crime. But she wasn't an adult for which there should be consequences. I'm confused. Wasn't the goal for her to die? But it's not a pleasant going out anyway.

24:42But she's not what we're talking about. Like she's not dead. Yes, the goal was for her to die. Tennessee couldn't get it done. What do you do now? Well, here's the problem. She does have constitutional rights. She does. That's true. You can hate her and you can hate the crime and all of those things. But they can't just go in and put a pillow over her face. But in sort of a morbid Google search just now, I looked up the methods of execution state-by-state most go with lethal injection. Some have firing squad like Idaho, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and you talk... That is a secondary option hanging is allowed in New Hampshire and Delaware. Nowhere in here do I find a state that is legalized pulling life support. And that is the problem. You cannot take her off life support even if she is until or unless I guess she's declared

25:42brain dead. Which we're not going to know until all of those chemicals are out of her system. If it doesn't record liver first. Gina in Blue Springs, Gina, good afternoon. Hello. Hi. Listen, there's several reasons to do away with the death penalty. The first is we can make people wrongly wait too many times. And you can't take it back when you kill somebody and you turn out, oops, I got it wrong. Secondly, I think we can agree that some of the worst parters that ever were were the victims. And most of those never got out. Several of them actually turned their lives around and became the Bible believing Christians and all of that. So while they never got out and they definitely had to be punished, they at least had a chance to reform their lives. Gina, thank you for the call. Real quick because I believe the doctors always and there are doctors weighing in because this is a medical issue, right? It just is.

26:43No matter how you feel about what happened, what she did, like the punishment, like this is now a medical issue. One of the doctors writes, in short, they are keeping her body functioning mechanically because they cannot chemically save her from the doses she was given. They can only keep her alive while the drug slowly runs its course. There is no antidote to this, right? She writes, if she survives a vegetative state or severe permanent brain damage is the most likely medical outcome because she spent more than 40 minutes inside the execution chamber audibly snoring after receiving the two full doses. Medical specialists are highlighting that severe brain injury is almost a certainty and here's why it's called a noxic brain energy injury, rather oxygen starvation. The snoring that was witnessed was a sign of severe upper airway obstruction caused by the massive dose of central nervous system depressants. If her breathing was restricted or entirely stopped for a prolonged period before she

27:46was rushed to Vanderbilt, placed on a mechanical ventilator, her brain cells would have begun rapidly dying from lack of oxygen. And you talked about hypoxia. They write about this here too. What is that? While life support can keep her heart beating and her lungs expanding mechanically, of course, it cannot and will not regenerate dead brain tissue. So if she is brain dead when all the drugs that were administered have left her system, don't you just pull the plug for I'm not trying to be crass in any way, but who decides that? I mean, this will probably bounce all the way back up to the Supreme Court because there's no modern equivalent to what we've seen here. Do you not have, does anyone, let's not make this about her, do you have a constitutional right to medical treatment when something like this happens?

28:50That is going to be for a court to decide. Yes, but if you're brain dead, are you not clinically dead? Yes. I would argue in most cases, yes. We keep talking about her rights and your rights only extend so far as they do not infringe upon the rights of others. Correct. And we've already mentioned it and I'll mention it again. Her victim doesn't have any rights left. No, she does not. I don't understand the sympathy and the empathy and I am not a pro death penalty person. But are you saying Sam, they should re kill her because this has failed for me to see? If you're spending thousands and thousands of dollars to keep her alive right now, which if she is on a completely mechanical life support inside a hospital, that's what you're doing, you don't have to re kill her. Well, if she allow her to die. If she's on life support and has to remain on life support indefinitely, I mean, when does she quote die? I will tell you this.

29:51There is not a doctor in the world, let alone it Vanderbilt that is going to go quote, pull that plug on her. This is not just a medical nightmare and a nightmare of justice and all this is a legal nightmare. Let's say it takes four days for all of those drugs to be removed from her body. Okay. A doctor can give that opinion. All of the drugs are out. Let's say by next Tuesday, all of the drugs are out of her body. There is no brain function. Who takes her off life support? The state does an executioner come in and do it or any of her parents still alive. If I'm a doctor, I'm going to say to you, do no harm, right? I'm going to say to you, this is not our mess. The state of Tennessee created this mess because of her choices. Don't get me wrong. Don't ask me in my white lab coat to go in now and decide for you to make your life easier because you screwed this up. What her end should be now, whoever heard next of Kenwood and she didn't have children

30:53so theoretically, I guess it would fall to the decision of her parents if she has any that are still alive. And then, you know, doctors do obviously take people off life support. We had to remove my father from life support almost 30 years ago. But it was because he was brain dead. The doctors came into a room and said, there's nothing we can do. It's over. And they were very much more compassionate than I was just describing. But and we made a decision, my brother, my mother and me, that this was not a way he would want to live. And we gave them permission to take him off life support from TMZ, the doctor who oversaw the failed execution had botched a prior lethal injection. 913-586-7798. Jessica to Josh in Kansas City, hello. Hey, thanks for having me on. Right quick, like just to touch on that last thing you said, botched.

31:56It's an medicine was supposed to do the job. We don't know why. I don't know how we could blame the doctor. But on the on the original note, if she's supposed to be dead, why are we taking her to the hospital to save her? Like if the second dose didn't work, give her a third, give her a fourth, give her a fifth. She has already been, she's supposed to die. Why are we going to prolong this? Just give her another dose. You already gave her a second dose, right? Give her a third, give her a fourth, give her a fifth. She's supposed to die. Let that happen. Okay. From the text line, you guys are overthinking it. A judge could get involved at some point, an issue in order to remove it if she is, you know, dead or vegetative state, whatever. At some point, a judge, and I think they're right. Now this might end up going all the way up to the Supreme Court. Now with a court order, someone saying to a doctor, there is a court order for you to remove her. But everyone just, like, let's just kill her today. That is not going to happen. No way is that going to happen. And I do think we do have a little bit of bloodlust in America in some cases, of course.

33:01But what separates us from countries like Saudi Arabia and China is that even though these people have done horrible things and they do deserve to die for what they did, we don't take people like they do in some Middle Eastern countries up on a, you know, 20 story building and shove them off. That's not the way we administer the ultimate punishment in this country. And I don't want to be like some Middle Eastern countries in China in the way that we handle something so important, so critical if we are going to let it stay legal. Let me ask you this. If it is so important, how come the doctor in this failed attempt, this is, is he's over to this year, he had quote, reportedly not placed a central line in 13 years prior to the last execution. So you know, you can be a doctor. But if you're not in the ER on the ground working cases every single day, we don't know his background

34:05as he a doctor in prison. So this is so important. Is it that they can't find qualified medical professionals who are willing to do this because of Duno harm? My guess would be that he probably finished last in his class. Yes. We need somebody and who's it going to be now? You can't put Dr. Fowler back in there. Well, and to your Duno harm thing, which obviously and respectfully doctors take very seriously, I don't think that there's probably a very long line of doctors who are saying, hey, I'll do it. Put me in there. I just think maybe we need to rethink how we do this if we're going to continue to do it and go with something that is garonged to administer the punishment that you're trying to administer, which of course is death and firing squad or hanging sounds a lot more sure than this lethal injection thing that's not working. Melissa in Kansas City. Hello.

35:05Hi, thank you for having me. I think if they let the mother of the girl who was murdered, a piece of her skull was carried around in this girl who's laying near pocket, go in there and take her off life support. And I'm going to see you happy too. Okay. I don't disagree with you. I think the mother of the victim would be would like let me add her. All of us would have those feelings. I just asked Sam to look up to find out if Chris to Pike, if her mother or father are still alive. Dad died in June of 2024, mom in November of 2025. Okay. So that answers that. Both of her parents are dead. 76 and 73 913, 5867, 798 here on Dana in parks. We have an interesting kind of a deer abbey story in our stacked. We'll bring up later on this afternoon, but this person writes in and they go on the years

36:08ago, years and years ago, the family decided we're going to spend one week a year where we get everybody together and we go to, you know, Destin, Florida or cancun or San Diego, whatever. And we get 20 to 30 members of the family together every year. Sometimes people can't make it, but whatever. There is a member of this family that drives everybody completely and totally out of their mind, yelling at her husband, who's a member of the family also, of course, nasty. She's a beward. Yeah, she's, yeah, her glasses have empty. And then that's when she's sober. And then you start pouring a little liquid courage in there and all of a sudden she turns into an animal. And the question is, is there a way where we cannot invite her nicely say we're going to go a different direction this year and that direction does not have you in it. So we'll get to that a little bit later on in the show and do you have someone in your

37:10family? Doesn't everyone have one? My family's very small. And so you can't out them on the show, I understand. Don't you dare do that. Steve and it's you. If your family doesn't have one, you the one. Maybe it's me. Right. From Fox four, after 25 years, the Midtown Costco, excuse me, that helped put the warehouse retailer on the map in the Kansas City area is about to close its doors. Wednesday will be the final day for shoppers at the Midtown location before it undergoes a major transformation. Now, they're bringing back something they call a business center. Yeah, what does that mean? Does it sound like if you want to go in and instead of buying, you know, 12 cans of mushrooms, you want to buy pallets of a hundred pallets of mushrooms, they're going to start catering toward mass bulk sales for restaurants for businesses. Now, you can still buy the 12 can pack. They're just altering their supply in the store so they can to Dana's point, better cater

38:13to the restaurant. This drew massive pushback in the Kansas City City Council. I found out yesterday, after a little bit more research, that the pushback was because that included them getting rid of their pharmacy. So Costco residents who live in that area still wanted to go there for their pharmacy goods. I was confused by all the pushback because they're still going to have groceries. They're still going to have fresh food. They're just now going to be focusing on some of those larger bulk items and might not offer 14 different, you know, flat screen TVs. And again, I said this yesterday, there are so few options on that side of town already that even shifting this Costco is, I almost wish they had picked another one. What is, is the sun fresh still there in Midtown? Well, West Port, but like when you think inner city, Scott, that Costco's at Limwood in Maine. Yeah, true. There aren't a lot of options. Certainly there in East of there. You know, Costco's a lifeline for a lot of folks.

39:14So mayor was furious. I do remember that. A multi agency effort, this from Channel 9, a multi agency effort is underway to remove invasive silver carp from Missouri rivers with the latest ever focusing on the plant river. Apparently, the silver carp, which also inhabit the Missouri river, are disrupting the food chain by consuming plankton that native fish species rely on. Female carp can lay up to 1 million eggs. Right. So if you catch one, that's good. And you're supposed to chop it set off, but there's 999,000 behind that one. The jumping carp, they jump out of the water. That's why they're called, they're like a flying fish kind of a female carp can lay up to 1 million eggs, allowing the population to grow quickly. Thank you for the added line. We didn't know that. These fish can weigh up to 10 pounds and are known to flail and jump out of the water. Is this what you see? Sometimes where there's a boat or out of lake or something? There's like all these fish is flying over over the top of the boat.

40:16That's certainly one of that. Yeah, that could be it for sure. Okay. The carp arrived in Missouri due to flooding and came from the south where they were originally used to filter waste out of ponds. They thanks a lot, Oklahoma. They typically have a kill on site order for fish like these. Is that true here? I know. I read the other day, they're asking you chop the head off. Yeah. And do they want to hear from you if you find one? Throw it back into the water is a warning. Yes, absolutely. That's what it is. Yes. How are they going to remove, like if a female can lay a million eggs, how are they going to remove all these fish? They're not going to and that's what makes them invasive. It's impossible. And the threat is, of course, killing the entire ecosystem of the rivers. Okay. Sound good. Good stuff. They choose September, they being the state government, choose September for the effort because the water is still warm enough for the fish to be active and normally the rain

41:19has settled down. Not this one. Not today. Someone was complaining online, their west of here, Lawrence or Tpika, and they're like, we haven't gotten any rain. They said it was going to rain. I'm like, we are water logged. Oh, you can have some. It was like a damn river in my backyard overnight in this morning. I don't think we're done. All I want to do is verticut, man. That's all I want to do. Oh, you didn't get to verticut last weekend. Today. No, it was raining. Apparently, TJ Maxx is closing select US stores. I didn't even know TJ Maxx was still around. Here they've morphed into the marshals. Okay. It's basically the same thing. I don't know if it's the same company. They do. TJ Maxx is the name of the mother company. They are marshals, home goods, home scents, Ross and Sierra. Ross, yes. No, we have a TJ Maxx and a home goods in the Ward Parkway Shopping Center still. I love it. Okay. When we get back, there is a groom who has pulled a Ross Geller. If you know what I mean, up at the altar and he pulls a Ross Geller from the TV show

42:25Friends. What would you do if it was your wedding? And another woman's name came out of his mouth even worse is who does that name belong to? Oh, my. Oh, my favorite story of the day. And I think we should talk about it every single hour. What would you do if like you did a 23 and me and you're curious about maybe you're adopted. You're curious about your birth parents. What would you do if you found out your mom or dad was famous? Famous as an understatement. Really famous. Get to that much more in just a moment right after the news with Dan in two minutes. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Dan. And parks podcast on KMBZ catches online anytime on KMBZ.com or get the podcasts wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to the Dan and parks podcast on KMBZ. So, store here out of St. Louis, where a St. Louis man who spent decades wondering about

43:30his biological roots was recently reunited with his birth parents. That's lovely and discovered that his father is a five time Grammy award winner. Michael Gosling was placed up for adoption as an infant after his biological parents conceived him when they were both 14 years of age. Paul and K Gosling adopted him and raised him in St. Louis. I always knew I was adopted. Gosling said had a wonderful childhood could not have picked two finer people to raise me. But he still wondered who his birth parents were. Yeah. The mystery began unraveling when a half brother he did not know took a 23 and me DNA test. There it is. And on his 58th birthday Gosling met his birth mother in person and later connected with his biological father over the phone. They have since met in person. It's a little harder to track him down. His biological father is Michael McDonald from the newbie brothers.

44:32So you're saying Michael McDonald was 14 years old when he and his then 14 year old girlfriend. Companion. Okay. Had here early they had a conversation over the phone and Gosling had asked him what he did for a living. And the father had mentioned, well, I'm a musician. And I'm getting ready to go on tour. In fact, I'll be heading through St. Louis this summer to which Gosling, knowing who was coming to St. Louis said, wait, are you Michael McDonald? He said, yeah, I'm afraid so. Oh my God. Can you imagine unbelievable? And so they did, they did meet last summer. Listen to this. I love this. McDonald and Gosling's biological mother have remained close friends over the years over a FaceTime call. He described the emotional weight of not knowing what happened to his son. We always talked about him. And it always came down to one of our greatest fears. How did life treat him? I've carried that guilt with me, but to know that he was okay and that he had a good life

45:36and a life certainly that I would not have been able to have afforded to him at the time was a great reward. The real rock stars in this story are his adoptive parents. Great story. The reunion also made McDonald a grandfather. He said, yes, I'm still wrapping my head around it. My daughter-in-law is just the daughter-in-law you'd hope for. And the kids are two of the greatest kids you'll ever meet. I am so proud of them. They do kind of look alike. So he got to meet my dad. Yes, there's a photo of them side by side. They kind of look alike. And I think he looks just like Michael McDonald's 20s. Sort of have to have the conversation. Everyone is thinking the same thing right now. And so what else just have at it? Like everyone is thinking the exact same thing right now. You put me in the will. Yeah. Let's just have at it. Everyone is thinking the exact same thing about the will. Not just the will, but like you don't want it to be awkward now that Michael McDonald is your dad, but also like Michael McDonald's your dad.

46:41Like do you just have a good life? Michael McDonald, like can I get some tickets to your next show? Like how does this play out? Would you expect to be in the will? No, that is not what I'm saying. I am just saying. I can. Everyone listening is wondering the same thing. Do you know how I know when you're lying to me? How is that? My voice goes up and on to it. And there's one other thing. I don't know. You always look, take your eyes and you avert them downward and you move your head side to side like this and you go, no, I wasn't thinking that at all. I am just verbalizing what every single person in America is thinking when they read this story. And let's not even make it about Michael McDonald. Let's say that you find out your dad is like Warren Beatty. You know, it complicates things, right? It's not even what people are thinking. It's the story that we've seen over and over and over again where the ultra famous person finds out they have a child or the child finds out that they're the child of an ultra famous

47:45person. And so then they're just constantly hitting them up for money and that doesn't make for a good relationship. No, that's super awkward. But you know, I don't know. I just, I am just asking the question because I know everyone's thinking it. But kids are so intuitive. What do you think on some level he already knows? I'm a dog dad. See, intuitive. What? What did you hear that? He told me. And he paid me $50 not to tell. Which technically now you should get back. One of the greatest friends ever since. I want to know what the conversation was like when the half brother that this man in St. Louis did not even know existed. Took this 23 and me test and the results came back that you have a half brother in St. Louis. You know, dad being who is and then did that half brother pick up the phone and call.

48:52It wasn't Gosling himself that took the 23 and me. It was half brother and then you know, it spits out your tree like, hey, you have a half brother. You never know about it. To be a fly on the wall of that conversation when some phone call, like, I don't know how this went about was made to say, hey, or a DM, I'm connecting with you because you're my half brother. Let me ask you something. He first found his biological mother, by the way, biological father came after you found mom. I don't want to take the adoption out of the story because that's a major component of the story. Yes. Would you want to know at your age now if, you know, got and we know this isn't true that you, but let's say that in this mythical world, I'm creating my mind, Craig was not always as faithful or maybe he had a previous relationship that you were unaware of before he met Big Juicy. And Craig had fathered a child with this other woman before he met your mom.

49:52Would you want to know? I think so at this age, yeah, I'd want to know. Sure. It doesn't change. But what would you do with that information? Well, is my biological mother, Julia Roberts? Like, I would be curious to meet her at that point. Your biological father is Craig. Your biological mother is Big Juicy. But Craig had a relationship before he met your mom and that created a child. Oh, there's a half something out there. I always, I'm sympathetic and empathetic and all those things this way. I would, if that other half sibling was out there always wondering, where is my family? You would want that comfort for them so that they know this is who you belong to. My mother found out that she had some half siblings in, I believe, half siblings or cousins that she never knew about. I can't remember which one it is that she never knew about in the state of Missouri. Even though she and my father were both from New York. Yeah. She's never met any of them.

50:54Ever. I will tell you this, we had something similar happen in our family a while ago, many decades ago. And it was not, it was before 23 and me. And the biological father in question to this day and up until his death, he is no longer here, denied all of it. Said, I don't know what you're talking about. There never was a child. Don't want to talk to you. My family has no interest in talking to you. So I think that there's always that fear too if you grow up and you're adopted, like if I go looking behind door number one, am I going to find someone who's a liar? Am I going to find someone who's not forthright? Am I going to find someone who's racist? I mean, name your name. You're just me. I'm just a horrible human being or dot, dot, dot, maybe it's Michael McDonald who grew up in St. Louis. By the way, did you know that? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. 913-586-7798, Bob in Waldo, Bob.

51:57Hello. Hello, hello, hello. How are you guys doing? We're doing well. Thank you for asking. Funny story, similar story. Actress Nisi Nash was on a show called Finding Your Roots on PBS. And she was tracing her lineage found out that her father's father was not his father. So they did their investigation and traced it down the road where they could. Turns out that his father's father was a gentleman who lived three blocks away around the corner and neighbor. So her biological grandfather. The neighbor. Correct. Yeah, was not him. And they informed her before they broadcasted on the show and told family members about this and she informed her dad and he was dumbfounded. And when he announced it, Mr. Gates announced it on the show. Her classic reaction was dirty pots and pans. Sorry. Thanks for the laugh, man.

53:00Do you think when they met Michael Gosling said to Michael McDonald, would you like to do it? Do you think he's a singer? Do you think he's a musician? I was going to say the exact same thing. I don't know, but that picture of him standing next to Michael McDonald, he really, I didn't know I said this. I don't know if he couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. He looks just like Michael McDonald 20 years ago. I don't know. I mean, is that like an inherited trait? Yes. Good singing. Yes. 913-586-7798. Dana Wright, same Steve as the third. My name is Scott Parks. Here on KMBC. Phone number is 913-586-7798. Let's go to John in Kansas City. John, hello. Hello. How are y'all doing? We're doing well. Thank you. Yeah. My best friend on a lot did it 23 and 10 years ago.

54:02He was in his 50s at the time. Found out he had a son he didn't know who threw a college night, one night stand. The mother gave the child away for adoption. When he did the 23 and me, found out his son lived in St. Louis. Now at the prompting of his current second wife, he decided to go meet the son and they met and they had dinner. The two wives of the son and the mother, oh my best friend's wife. They really wanted this to happen. They were excited about when it all came together. There was no electricity. There was no recognition and a shrug. Oh, so his biological son that he didn't know he had? Was like me. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You never know how those are going to go down, John. You just never know. Yeah, let me tell you one quick story about me. My old man was married five times at the funeral. I found out I had a lot of half brothers, sisters. I never knew. They all looked like me. He didn't tell you? Well, I knew he was married.

55:02No, he did not. He just said, never get married. Don't tell how much you make. That's sage advice. Get married. Don't tell him how much you make. God. James on line one. Hello, James. Yeah. I would just call on. I just tuned in. So I was adopted at three days old. My mom and dad that raised me always encouraged me to find my birth parents. My wife got on 23 and me and we found my birth father first and after that, my birth mother. But you know, I've got five half siblings on my birth father side and one half sibling on my birth mother side. And then I've got a brother, my adopted brother I grew up with. And you know, for me, I went and met with, you know, I met all my siblings as in my 40s before I met them. I've been about 10 years now. It's amazing that I walked into a room the first time I look at 47 years old. What's a family reunion on my birth father side and family get together. And for the first time in my life, other than my two boys, I've never been around anybody

56:06that looked like me. I'm blonde hair. My whole family that my adopted family is dark hair. Yeah. And I walked into this room at 48 years old and there's like 30 people there that looked like me. And it was the most, it was the hardest thing to explain. I can tell you, but I'm really close to some of my, you know, my half, I got a half brother that, you know, we see each other all the time now. I live in North Kansas City. I live 60 miles south in city we meet. He's ag based. I'm ag based. I've got a sister I'm close with. I met you in that coming to ranch and working for us for a year and graduated. I mean, I had a great relationship and I, my half brother is a year younger than me on my birth mother side. Same thing. We're real close there. My niece is unclosed with them. So I had a great experience with my adopted family. Now I have friends that have the opposite like you said. And it's not like I walked in and felt this immediate electric, you know, draw toward them like, oh my God, my long-last family. But they're just all good people. And you know, I'm, I always wanted a huge family, a big family.

57:09And my adopted family was close and tight, but there wasn't a lot of us there. Yeah. And my gosh, my first family side, I mean, it's like a small village. James. I had a great, I had a great experience. What was that like walking into that room for the first time and seeing like a mirror image of yourself and all these people? Was that healing for you in some respects? Well, you know, I never, I wouldn't say healing the right way to put it. It was very surreal to me. You know, I, I never felt like an outsider on my adopted family. They always made me feel like family. And the only reason, you know, I mean, I said, my mom and dad never, never hid from me. The fact that I was adopted. It was just a feeling that it's hard to put towards because I just, something I've never experienced before. I have a, I have a nephew there that my god, he could be my youngest son's twin brother, you know, and it was just my, my wife was there with me and she was more amazed than I was. It's like I, you know, I have, I have an uncle that him and I look more like, I mean, I am him.

58:09He passed about a year and a half ago, but he looks exactly like me with pictures of him in his 50s. I'm like, my wife said, well, I guess now, I know what you look like when you're 80 years old, you know, right on James do appreciate the call. Thank you, man. Trish in Overland Park. Hello. Hi. How are you doing? We're doing well. Thank you. Good. My story's very, very similar to James. My mom found me when I was 42. She was 15 years old by months when she had me lived in, lived in Georgia, but had me in Missouri. I have a half sister who they adopt my mom and her husband adopted and then I have a natural half brother who's 17 years younger than me, but I look so much like my mom that her favorite uncle grabbed a hold of me to give me a hug when they came to visit and said, Carolyn, when did you die your hair? Wow.

59:10I'm so proud to back and said, I'm Trish. It's interesting, Trish, because this was my family's experience anyway back then, like in the 60s, when there was an oops or a surprise, like families did not talk about that. Like teenage girls just went away for six or seven months on holiday to Europe. You know, I don't know if that was your, but that was certainly the case in our family that no one ever talked. In fact, I was well into my 30s before I ever found out there was another cousin on my side. My mom was sent to white man Air Force base to live with an aunt and her husband who was in the Air Force. You said your mother, your birth mother found you. Yes. Yes. When her father was dying, he kept saying, we got to go get the baby. We got to go get the baby. When they were leaving the hospital after he had passed, my mom said, I wonder what he

1:00:12meant by we got to go get the baby. Who was he talking about? And my stepdad said, I know exactly who he was talking about. He was talking about the baby you had before you and I got married before I even knew you. And she was in shock, but he had told her that the night before they got married. So he said, if my grandfather said, if you want to step away and not be responsible if something happens and this child comes back into her life, then do it before you get married and that's why I'm telling you this information. And he said, no, he said, I love her and I'm going to stay with her. And so 42 years later, they contacted the one of the judges in Sedellian, Tosca County and he happened to have been the judge who was the, I believe he was the judge for the state when I was adopted at five days.

1:01:16Tristu, appreciate the call. Let me give this to our fore. What do you think? Neither one of us have adopted children. And I think people who are willing to adopt are little heroes walking around the earth. What would be an appropriate age to tell someone in your opinion? Right out of the gate. They're adopted as early. There are books about this now. Seven, six. Oh, no way earlier than that. Way earlier than that, you start with age-appropriate language that, you know, some babies come out of mommy's tummies and some babies are chosen and you were chosen. And that has swung so far the other way with, certainly now that we've got 23 in me, you're not going to keep a lid on this, right? I think the worst thing you can do is hide it. And if you ask people our age, Scott, that never knew they were adopted, they will talk about the unease of growing up with this, like something didn't quite seem right.

1:02:16And my cousin always knew she was adopted. And as far back, you know, I think you start age-appropriate conversations. Two, three, I don't know. Shelby and Lawrence. Shelby, good afternoon. Hello. Hi. Hi. I guess I have a pretty interesting story. The first thing is I have sibling between my two brothers. They are full siblings. That was figured out a long time ago. I always knew I had a different dad. My brothers are full biological siblings. So then also my brother recently found out that my brothers have a sister and they found out through ancestry, through who was my stepdad. He's deceased at this time. But they found out that he had a child the same year that my mom had me. So it was quite a shock.

1:03:20They have contacted each other and they do stay in touch. And he looks exactly like one of my brothers, yeah, one of my brothers, aunt. Exactly like her. Okay. Yeah. Do you appreciate the call for 8491358677998? Dana Wright, Sam Stevie III. My name is Scott. You're on KMBC. Listen to this story out of Monana Wisconsin. And then we're going to get to another hero capital H story here this hour. Wisconsin woman says a routine evening walk along the lake quickly escalated into a frightening situation. She was walking the loop around a lake with her dog last Saturday night when she noticed a man approaching her who then began to follow her. So she was about to make her way home, but decided to change her path because the stranger

1:04:25suddenly appeared behind her. So this is a quick thinking woman you guys. She was like, I'm not walking home because I'm not going to lead him right to where I live, right? So she does a hard left turn. She's a restaurant and just starts diverting that way. The restaurant's called Buck and Hunnies. She crosses the waterway, the situation escalates. The man then took off his shirt ran across four lanes of traffic attempting to cut off her route. She ran directly into the restaurant and said, I need help. I am being followed. Inside the entire crew jumped into action, hid her. This later, the man walks through the front doors and asks, where's the woman with the dog? Staff members say they formed a protective barrier blocking his view and directed him out of the building and called 911. She has now reunited with the staff. She says I was immediately taken to a place of safety where I could not be seen outside.

1:05:27I received so much support. The manager, Katie Lider says the team reacted purely out of protective instinct. It was like everybody going to their battle stations. The woman was doing this part to make sure this guy was not going to hurt anyone. I had one of my servers run down to the park to warn another woman who was down there by herself to make sure that she was safe. She's now fine. I love they caught this guy. Yeah, yeah. Officers made contact with the man in question. He was showing signs of mental illness. You would not know that at the time. You would just think someone was trying to kill you and maybe he was. Where's the woman with the dog? I tell this story only because I think so many times in the back of our head when something is standing up like the hairs and you think this doesn't feel right and men too, but I think like women in the dark parking lot, women walk in the loop around the lake at night. So many times like in because we're trying to be polite or like I don't know. You ignore that voice that you're in danger and you need to get out of the situation and

1:06:29she did everything right and it makes me so happy. You have to lean into that gut instinct. I mean, I always. And the no fear guy and walking barb now I if I walk her in the morning, it's dark. If I walk her at night, it's dark. And if I go past somebody and they give me the Ike for any reason whatsoever, I every five, six seconds, I will turn my head around and check to make sure. Okay, are they still worth are they walking the direction they were walking? Are they a threat? I think it lies to everybody. Hey, can we live in that world? But like that's the world we're living it. I remember years and years ago, I was followed. And I just had a weird feeling and I was just a typical day in my life. And I was this was back when I lived in Western Shawnee the first time. And which is to say I was married to Shawna. And I just had this feeling I was on Shawnee Mission Parkway that the car behind me would not pass me when I slowed down. Sped up when I sped up. And then I'm like, that's weird.

1:07:29I just had a weird feeling about this guy. And it was like, I don't know, like seven o'clock at night, eight o'clock at night. And I started making bizarre turns into neighborhoods that were not mine that were not mine. And so, you know, I turned off on woodland and then left on this and then right on that. And everywhere I went, this car followed me. And there's and then I started circling back to areas I had already driven on and it still follows it still followed me. No, I put my cell phone in my hand and put it up. Not the window basically letting them know I'm calling police. And I would have already called police. I would already call police. And as soon as we got to my next turn, that car sped off. But I had already doubled back to roads. I had already driven on and he stayed behind or she, I don't know. What in the name of Sam Hill happened in the skies over Israel overnight? Heroes. Heroes again. Yeah. Jumped into action and did the really the unthinkable.

1:08:31So it was a fly to biplane. It was headed toward Tel Aviv and the co-pilot stabs the pilot in the chest. I believe the pilot is the stabbed pilot is still alive. But obviously there's this incredible violent altercation going on in the cockpit of this commercial passenger plane. The pilot who is stabbed had the wear with all to get up and somehow unlock the cockpit door or it's over. Oh, yeah, it's over for everybody. So anyway, he's all but incapacitated on the floor of the cockpit. The plane goes into a 90 degree dive straight to the ground. I was talking to one of my neighbors about this before I came in today and he said he was watching one of the news programs and they had an aviation expert on who said the miracle is not just that the pilot unlocked the door that people were able to get into the cockpit.

1:09:31Yeah. Is that the plane did not come apart that because planes apparently are not supposed to stay together. How did they pull it back up? And by the way, did you read it was a plumber? Yeah, a plumber. It's not supposed to withstand those G forces. Yeah, they are supposed to break apart. Yes. So a plumber who was on board the plane races up to the cockpit, gets into the cockpit, grabs the stabber co-pilot. Yeah, pilot. And pulls him out, gets behind the controls and just pulls that plane straight back up. While it's in a dive. Yes. I mean, there are so many miracles in this story. It is unbelievable. While he's doing that, by the way, the plane dove 14,000 feet in 34 seconds. 14,000 feet in 34 seconds. And then did the rest of the passengers just go full on Richard Marx with the zip-top guys? Absolutely. And here's another miracle. There happened to be two off-duty commercial pilots in coach.

1:10:33They came up and landed the plane. There is some talk today because this is rare that something like this happens, but this is what happened with the Egypt Air. Remember, one of the pilots just went kuku kachu and put that plane down should cockpits remain locked from the inside. Our bigger threat by far is a nut sitting back in coach that wants to storm the cockpit. Right? That is a fear. Yes. Here, I was thinking about this on the way in because this story is all over the news. And there are so many heroes. The plumber is number one. The others who tied up dumb, dumb baby co-pilot are two. And the two off-duty pilots who happen to be in coach, thank God for that. And we're able to land that plane in Tel Aviv. I believe it was in Tel Aviv that they landed it. By the way, they were met at the airport by a throng of people waving Israeli flags. Benjamin Netanyahu was there. Yeah, I saw that.

1:11:33And the guy saw his blood on him. Yeah, he saw his blood on his t-shirt, the plumber. And Benjamin Netanyahu said, you are a hero. You're a hero. And because that plane was going down. Think about it. Your head been swung open. Parents clung to their children. Videos from the inside of the plane showed at least one wounded man and others on board covered in blood. And you're at that point, Scott, heroes, yes. You're about to die. So am I surprised people jump anything post 9-11 on a plane? Am I surprised people jumped into action? No, because if you don't, everyone on the plane is dead. So the only thing I could think of when I was driving in on what do you do, you know, leaving the cockpit unlocked is I don't think is an option. But what do you do? And the only thing I can think of is maybe somebody who's back in coach, one of the stewardess flight attendants, I'm old, flight attendants has access to the ground. And they can type in some sort of code from the ground that would unlock the cockpit door.

1:12:39The problem is you don't have time. By the time you realize the person next to you, piloting that plane is crazy. You're already bleeding from your carotid artery. So think about this. If that plane dropped 14,000 feet in just over 30 seconds, that is half of its distance when it's normally flying. So another 30 seconds, another 35 seconds, that plane is on the ground. So within a minute and some change, that plane has exploded on the ground. Everybody's dead. A lot of strength to pull that yoke too when it's already in a nose like that. Who would know what to do? Would you be able to go into, you know, we've all, when we're getting off the airplane, you can kind of peak up there for like one half of one second. And it's a whole bunch of buttons I don't understand. If Maya was there, yeah, she could probably, like, there's the thing you're supposed to pull it this way. I've seen that in the movies. But what percentage of passengers that are going up there, like the plumber or the dentist, there's also a dentist to help.

1:13:41Which side do you pull up? Do you pull up that one? Do you pull up like who's going to know that? I don't know. You don't have time to Google it, right? Yeah. I think in a scenario like that, it doesn't matter if you know or not. You just try. You just try. So it's on the front page of today's Wall Street Journal. There's the plumber walking through the airport on his way out. His name, by the way, is credible. John Ev Hayan. John Ev Hayan. Flight radar 24, the flight tracking service reported that the plane had sent a general emergency signal, then a signal of quote, unlawful interference, then a general emergency signal again. And I wonder if those were the flight attendants. You know, in that second, something is terribly wrong. We need help. Let me read this from this is from ABC News. Yes. So the plumber, the hero plumber, Yavin said he learned to pull up on the yoke like that

1:14:44by watching the show Air Crash Investigation. No. No. Yes. It's a drama reconstruction of real life air disasters that features interviews with aviation experts and eyewitnesses. And apparently he's a big fan of the show Air Crash Investigation. It's a TV show. Oh my God. And that's how he knew exactly how to pull up on that yoke and get that plane out of its literal free fall to the ground. By the way, the bleeding pilot fell out of the cockpit as the other pilot was actively quote on top of him stabbing him. Then Mr. Main says he and two other passengers jumped on the armed pilot and grappled with him to try and stop the attack. They use cables from the flight's headphones sets to tie him up. It did not land in Tel Aviv originally. When back to they put it down in Saudi Arabia and then flew them back to Israel. Can you imagine?

1:15:44No. No. I can't even imagine the terror. Like I said, I was talking to my neighbor before I came in and we mentioned he mentioned to me about the 14,000 feet in 34 seconds and I said to him, I saw the same thing on TV earlier this morning and he said, I was on a plane one time that dropped 4,000 feet like that. You know what I mean? He said that was terrifying. He goes, I can't imagine going head head first towards the ground and you dropped 14,000 feet. The entire plane had to have been violently shaking. Yeah. I mean, how they were able to not only maintain composure. But subdue the guy while the plane is going down. But physically engage in subduing him and then writing that airplane. This was absolutely some sort of suicidal terror attack. The New York Times is also reporting that the bad pilot, good pilot, bad pilot, tried

1:16:50to overtake the plane first, was trying to overtake the plane. But there's no reason you're going to tell me that that's okay. Do you find it weird that they're being so cautious to call it a terror attack of any kind? I do know the Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier today that they believe they being the Israeli intelligence, believe that the co-pilot, let me rephrase, bad pilot was radicalized in the months leading up to this attack. They believe this was ideologically motivated. Yeah. 180 people on board, by the way. So many of us on the text line, how did they not all just fall straight to the front of the plane? I'm assuming a number of them, most of them probably had their seatbelts on. One dad was seated back there. His six year old had just gotten up to use the restroom as the nose dive happens. So he tries to jump up to get to the bathroom to get to his child. Cavendor opens pilot spillout. It is it wins the movie going to be made.

1:17:52Yeah. One, one, three, five, eight, six, seven, seven, nine, eight here on Dana and Parks. Seriously, learning to fly by the food fighters, Sam, nicely done. Let's go to Steve online one in Gower. Hello, Steve. How are you today? We're doing well. Thank you. Hey, you guys are talking about the fly, do by flight. And last night, my buddy called me from Phoenix, retired belt airlines captain 40 years. He goes, take a look at the picture of the aircraft when it lands. And nobody's talking about the news, but the rudder is missing. That's the vertical piece on the tail that you can steer an aircraft with that is gone from that airplane. My neighbor said that I haven't looked up the pictures though. He said that the tail part of the tail is missing. Yep. And it's amazing. Those guys were able to, the secondary crew was able to get that on the ground.

1:18:54Wow. Like, just broke off somewhere in mid descent, if we're calling it a descent, right? That's what I asked my buddy. He's flown a lot of different aircraft. I said, what happened to that? He said probably in the excessive amount of stress on that nose dive. And when they were trying to do the recovery, it probably just ripped it off. Wow. As they were pulling back up, yeah. Amazing they got it on the ground. Hey, thanks. Absolutely true heroes. Robert, in Odessa, Robert, hello. Hello, hello, hello. So I'm curious how if planes freefall, unlike that for 30-some odd seconds, anybody getting out of their seatbelt? How do they not end up in the back of the plane with just the force of the plane going down? Yeah. The physics of all of this is something that is way above my pay grade. Some people in the text under saying in a fall like that in San Diego suggestion, this is also during the break, they would almost be weightless, like they would be floating in

1:19:54the plane. I don't know that I got a degree in journalism, not physics. And I'm really not that smart anyway. But are you there, buddy? Well, you don't have to agree. They likely would just be weightless where they're at because they are already in the plane as it starts to nose dive. That wouldn't be enough contrast of the motions to force them to the back of the plane. They certainly would not fall to the front of the plane. But it had to be similar to zero G, like the texture says. And I can't even imagine, you remember everyone floating around like in a movie and then you look at the flight attendant, you're like, can I get some goldfish crackers? Please. They're going to make a movie out of this because it's so insane. How long does it take until this is either on TV or in Netflix or in a theater? Two years. I think it'll be a couple of years. With AI, 45 minutes. Well, yeah, that's probably true. Let's see. Okay.

1:20:55Why did one pilot have a knife on board? Great question. What was he stabbed with? I believe he was stabbed with a knife. It was a pocket knife. I've seen a lot of commentary about that in different stories and suggestions that everybody goes straight to conspiracies. I'm not going to go there. If this person had some sort of vendetta that they were going to stab their pilot in the neck, a ballpoint pen would get the job done. Yeah, but I believe the pilot, the good pilot was stabbed in the chest. Okay. I don't know. I'm not reading too much into the pocket knife side of it. But if it is true that the runner came off or the part of the back of the plane came off and they were still able to land it, that's miracle number six or seven as I'm counting them. You know, 913, 586, 777, 989, she's Dana Wright, Sam Stevie III. My name is Scott Parks. Dan Weinbaum has a news in two minutes. Thanks for listening to the Dan Parks podcast on KMVZ.

1:21:58Catch us online anytime on KMVZ.com or get the podcasts wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to the Dana and Parks podcast on KMVZ. Story here from NBC News golf legend Phil Mickelson. Check himself into a treatment facility earlier this year to address family trauma and addiction. According to a spokesperson, Mickelson who is 56 is no longer at the facility and it's not clear when he entered treatment or for how long is representative did not give further details about the nature of his stay because it's none of our business. The announcement comes in a turbulent year for the six time major champion in April, Mickelson said he would step away from competition for an extended period while his family navigated a personal health matter. He's married three children, reportedly barred from his longtime Southern California golf club, the farms after being accused of making non consensual and inappropriate physical contact with a female club member.

1:22:59Employee, thank you, pardon. Huh. I forgot about that. Yeah. Okay. Mickelson far from the first professional athlete to see. In what percentage of cases do you think there truly are addiction issues or sex addiction issues and then versus the percentage of cases where I got caught. This looks really bad. I'm starting to lose sponsors. So I'm going to go away for 60 days or however long. I don't know. Obviously, that would involve mostly high profile people. Actually, my guess is north of 50% really are addicted to anything. But they need to put on a public face to they might have a problem with it, whether it's alcohol or drugs or sex or whatever. It's a great PR move. Yeah, because what it does is it says without saying, I've made mistakes and I'm doing something to fix it. And you can't fault someone for wanting to get better.

1:24:02Right. And if that's what they're trying to do, if you know, Phil Mickelson really did have a problem. But I think there's no question he has a gambling problem. Like, I don't think anyone around him would deny that. He's quite the gambler. Massive gambling problem. Okay. There've been books written about it. Hmm. Well, maybe that was the treatment facility. It just said a day. It didn't say what kind of addiction he has. It just said addiction. I can't imagine it's not in some way connected to the previous allegations. But you mean with the female employee? Yeah. That one just kind of got brushed over. Sean Diddy-Kombs has been placed in solitary confinement following an NBC news report about his VIP lifestyle behind bars. I've seen this. It makes me sick. The disgraced hip hop mogul arrived at the Fort Dix federal prison in New Jersey in October after he was sentenced to 50 months behind bars for transporting people across state lines for sexual encounters. Since then, he has spent thousands of dollars a month to bring his high end lifestyle

1:25:06to the low security prison. Can you imagine just the ridiculousness of the goal to bring your quote high end lifestyle to prison? You want to know what his high, his VIP lifestyle included? It should be toilet hooch and it ends there. Cell phones, premium liquor, including Hennessy. Oh, yeah. He also pays several inmates who cook special meals for him, clean his toilet and shower before he uses them. They actually have wet wipes that they sanitize the seat of his toilet before he sits down on it. Okay. Yep. We have to keep in mind. They do his laundry, make his bed, and he even pays some inmates to give him a Chinese style massage. Oh, God. We have to keep in mind that this man is so delusional that he hired an entire documentary film crew to follow him throughout the trial of which he knew he was going to be convicted

1:26:10because he thought somewhere deep down in his head that this new documentary was going to be his rise back to fame after they smeared my name. How that worked out? Well, if he sent, bought all the footage and turned it into a documentary with a very different story. So he's in solitary. So stupid. Why are we allowing this? How does he get Hennessy into this prison? I don't know. I don't want to know. I truly don't want to know. I bet he's getting drugs too. Oh, I'm sure. Cell phones. Yeah. People are cleaning his toilet and shower form before he uses this disgusting. Baby oil. Well, we don't know about that. From K which our friends down in Wichita Americans are using by now pay later more than ever. Well, and here's what you should know if you're one of them. And by the way, we used to call that layaway, crowing up Kmart had lay away.

1:27:10If you wanted the old speaking spell, a lot of them did. Didn't they? Did they put it on lay? We've seen. Sears had it. Alcoe. I don't know if I'll have time. From the Associated Press, Americans spent more than 160 billion dollars last year using by now pay later plans according to research published by Federal Reserve Economist. Experts say they are increasingly seeing people use these types of plans for everyday expenses, groceries, bills, transportation, and sometimes rent. Being here from Sarah Rathner with Nerdwallets credit card expert, it has been a hard time out there for a lot of people. It is a tough job market. It is a rough economy. The cost of things we are buying every day is going through the roof in some cases more than folks incomes. Pay in four plans which generally allow consumers to pay for purchases in four installments over six weeks. Accountant for about a half of the 160 billion in the by now pay later.

1:28:14You've never heard this. It's called pay in four. It's basically just a super short term loan with very little interest. Now, do you get the item immediately? Yes. You get the item immediately and then you have to pay it off and what happens if you don't pay it off in your foreign stomach? Are they going to come to your home and reclaim it? Well, but what if what they're reclaiming is rent or is groceries? So this is very different from lay away. With lay away, you went in, you wanted to claim the item. You didn't get the item until you paid it off. They physically held the item in their back room or warehouse. If you never paid it off, the only consequence was that you had to go until your kid, so sorry, Christmas isn't going to be as great this year. I wasn't able to finish out the payments. With this, you get it up front and then you have to pay it on the back end. It absolutely tanks your credit. The credit rates are through the roof. It's basically like the payday loan scheme, just the modern day application of it. The biggest scariest part about it is you don't have to be 18 years old and have a good

1:29:18credit score to get these loans. There are 16 year olds. There are 15 year olds who are signing up for these accounts to pay for to pull out and pay for it. Not legally, not legally. They're doing it. By the time they turn 18, they have horrible credit and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars in debt. Being here from one mom, she says, I use buy now pay later so I can have the furniture I need. I have groceries in my fridge because of it. I don't necessarily feel shameful for doing it because at the end, it has been official to me at this point in my life. She said, when I first started using it, I had just started out on my own living by myself. I was earning a salary that made it hard to afford basic expenses. She is 26 years old, lives in South Carolina and works at an optical store. And she used the pay in for to buy furniture. Is that what she could otherwise have brought? Just going out on her own. Like so to furnish the apartment when she just went out on her own, there's a subsection of this industry rent now pay later, which breaks rent into multiple payments.

1:30:25It really isn't a convenience element anymore. Quoting here from Mark Elliott, Chief Customer Officer at Happen Bank, it is really becoming a cash flow challenge. Are you not just digging yourself into a deeper hole? Of course you are. They're quoting here a 28 year old who first used it to get concert tickets. Oh, oh. And by the way, if you sit down and go through these people's transaction history, I'm obsessed with the financial audit show. If you've seen it on Spotify, YouTube, granted I understand that the cases that he has on his show Caleb Hammer are the extreme cases. So it highlights the worst of the population. But every single time he sits down with one of these guests, he says, you know, oh, you have $40,000 in debt and you're 19 years old. How did that happen? Oh, well, I couldn't afford this. I couldn't afford that. And then they go through their debit card statements and their credit card statements and it's seven bucks at Starbucks, six dollars at the gas station.

1:31:26We need to do better with our young people and financial literacy. And even in high school. But there's a great question right there. Is that kind of stuff taught? Because I don't remember it needs to be more taught. Even if it is taught, it needs to be more taught. I don't remember in high school being taught by a teacher. I definitely was by my parents about what interest rates mean. You know, if you get a credit card and I remember the first credit card I ever got in college had a 20% interest. Oh, I got the same one. They handed them out for free like Andy outside of Mexico. And you got a little t-shirt. Yep. You got a t-shirt and you were signed up. I only got it because I had no credit at all to my name and I rarely, if ever used it. I only bought what I knew I could pay back. The most well-known by now pay later product is that pay in four where you can pay back what you owe in four payments. One every two weeks with a zero percent annual percentage rate or APR.

1:32:29However, it's what it says. Not every buy now, pay later loan has the same terms and before you commit to doing this, you need to know what you're signing up for. If there's truly a product out there that as a stopgap, you can use this and break something down that is a necessity in four payments with a zero percent APR, then I think that is a more attractive alternative for people than a pay day loan, certainly. Well, of course, anything's more attractive than a pay day loan, but at zero percent, who's offering zero percent? One of the most popular pay in four platforms. But what does that say to you, Scott? It's popular because probably for every six people that are paying that off in time, four people are not. Right. We need to be clear. It's zero percent for the four weeks or for the four payment for the six weeks. And then after that, if you don't make eye rockets, okay? Well, of course it does. It's a disaster. I don't understand.

1:33:30It's a disaster because the economy is a disaster. We didn't just accidentally stumble into this period of time with inflation and gas prices and like we've talked about the inability for for any affordable housing for our young people, let alone buying a house right and good luck with that at seven percent. And I don't disagree with anything you just said. The economy is not in good shape, despite what some people will say. Gas prices are way too high. Diesel prices are a disaster. I was listening to a report last night. One of these combines that up in Iowa, they interviewed a farmer up in Iowa. This combine holds 200 gallons of diesel. That's, I believe if my math is correct, that's $1200 in gas in diesel gasoline. And he burns through that in two days. Did you see the mean this week that if you go back one of my favorite movies with Will Smith, I am legend. That's a great movie. There is a still shot.

1:34:32This is a post apocalyptic America. There is a still shot going around and you know, Will Smith is in the foreground. Gas sign is in the background. He's the only American that survived this event. And the gas prices for diesel are what we are seeing right now. In the movie, I am legend in post apocalyptic America. Now, let me just add this real quick. I don't disagree with everything that you said, Dana, but there is also another problem that we have in America. And that's an insatiable appetite for crap. Yeah, for just stuff. Absolutely. That you don't really. Concert tickets are not a necessity. Absolutely not. You can blame the economy all day long. We have to make sacrifices if we want to survive. And if that sacrifice means that I have to eat rice and chicken for dinner for the next 74 meals, that's what it is. And as Americans, that is not in our DNA. And I can still remember when Sean and I were just getting started after college, we

1:35:35would eat that. God awful. Stop your heart because it's got so much sodium in it. Ramen noodle. That's not food. That's not food. But that's what we ate night after night after night because we were broke. 913-586-7798. Here on Dana and Parks. Well, when you have 18 painted total statues all around town, why not add a 15 foot tall one of Toto, the dog from the Wizard of Oz. You can find it in Wamego, Kansas. And joining us on the Kamzy Hotline is the director of tourism. Corey Reeves, Corey, good afternoon. Hello. Hey, how are you this afternoon? Are you guys all surviving all the rain? We are. Corey, I have to say I love Wamego. We have been there so many times as a family. We have many, many family connections that go hundreds of years back and it's a beautiful

1:36:36space. Well, thank you. Wamego kind of prides itself on being kind of a little bit of America's hometown vibe when we invite people to town. So that extends into 4th of July and October, fast and Oz and everything like that. So it's just a unique experience. And yeah, if you've got a bunch of little totals and you have an opportunity to be like, could we put the world's tallest toe toe of the town, Wamego? I mean, you say yes to that, right? Right. Yes, Corey, you say yes to that. Yeah, so we had an opportunity back in February. We put in a grant with the State Department of Tourism and Commerce and it was for an attraction grant and that's what we pitch was the world's tallest toe toe. And they gave us a grant out behind it and this was so we found out at the last week of February and now seven months later, we're ready to unveil the world's tallest toe toe statue. It'll be 15 feet tall in railroad park and downtown.

1:37:38Super exciting. We have the process of Guinness Book of World Records and everything. But man, in the most Kansas Wizard of Oz story of all time, not only do we have we had severe weather. There's been tornadoes and Kansas, a witch melting amount of rain. So it makes all of the install challenging. But if anything, we've got a group that's ready to overcome. And like, if you want to continue with the Oz jokes, I know a lot of wizard and the wizards are making everything happen. So we can paint the picture in our listeners minds. These tono statues that you have around town, they're all hand painted, very similar in an idea, but not designed to like the parade of hearts that we have here in Kansas City going on years ago, they did gigantic J Hawks in Lawrence that were all painted differently. And that's kind of what you guys have done in Waameigo with these toe toe statues. Exactly. The parade of hearts is the perfect example in KC, right?

1:38:39So it was like every one of them, same sculpture, different motif, right, by different artists. The totals have been that way. They're kind of a way finding system throughout downtown, right? They're in front of the Oz winery in the Oz Museum and the park and the windmill and out by the fireworks show, everything like that, all painted by local artists. So the idea was that that project has been a part of downtown Waameigo along with the Elevary Road now for well over 15 years. The Oz Museum has got over 20 year history. So we're like, how do we regenerate new interests? So the giant toe toe was it and Kansas somehow has like this weird obsession, which is amazing as far as world's largest, it's like world's largest ballad line. Yes. World's largest salt shaker, the world's largest belt buckle is in Abilene. So everything's world's largest right along I-70. So it's like, why don't we capture that? We're lucky in world's tallest toe toe that MGM has been doing the advertising for Wizard

1:39:40of Oz for now almost a hundred years. So we kind of thought that it made a lot of sense. We've got great partners to help do it. So the same company that made the little totals when we said, can you make one 15 feet tall? They said, let me call you back later this afternoon. And they eventually said, yes, getting it to Mameigo has been a challenge. The weather has been a challenge. We were planning to have a ribbon cutting tomorrow with all the rain that ribbon cutting is going to get the push back this Saturday. But Saturday is Oz toberfest in downtown Waameigo, Kansas. So it's all things also kind of works out just perfect, but we're super excited. Corey, I love this and I want to give you guys a shout out because for all of our listeners who have children at K state or go back for the K state football games, this is a perfect thing to put on your drive out to Manhattan. You would almost literally drive right by it or could drive right by it about two hours from here directly West. Yeah, it is. And you know, if you jump off in Waameigo and drive down high one, any nine, you're going to drive right past the brand new toe toe in downtown.

1:40:40It's at the the interest of town on highway 99. So you drive right down 99, which is Lincoln Street, hit highway 24 and shoot right on in to Manhattan for a K state football game or a K state visit. It's really pretty perfect. The Oz Museum is a huge part of that. Obviously, the Oz Museum has one of the largest collections of Osmo River Valley in the country. It's the top 10 USA today, pop culture museum. Dorothy's house is actually in the Oz Museum, the model, the actual model that was used in 1939 film, the one that gets sucked up by the tornado. No way. That model is in the Oz Museum in Waameigo, Kansas. The one that actually appears in the film itself. A model in the film. Yeah. Yeah, the model. So, you know, here's your random Oz trivia. These are the things you learn if you live in a Waameigo for a long enough. So it was 35 feet of Muslim cloth that they spun to look like a tornado and then they had a air cannon's kind of like shooting dirt up into the air. They filmed the house being dropped and then reversed the footage to make it look like it was sucked up into the air. Wow.

1:41:41The actual model of the house was purchased at auction several years ago and it's in Waameigo. It's one of a few screen use pieces that are in the museum. We've got a we've got the corners hat and a and a trumpeter coat and the sconces that are outside the witches castle and a winky guard staff like all kinds of actual screen use. I don't want to see any of those monkeys. Cory, those monkeys give me a nightmares to this day. You're not wrong. That there are monkeys on the outside of the Oz Museum. They are not animated. They do not come for you. I promise that. That got pitched. They said, well, we could have a giant flying monkey. I was like, I don't know that anybody wants their child to take a picture of us. I was 15 foot tall flying monkey. But it's pretty exciting. Oztoberfest this weekend starts at 10. It runs to four. It's absolutely free to come see us. toberfest downtown. There's street vendors and food in a car show and the whole bit. The Oz Museum still charges mission. They're actually unveiling new exhibits inside the Oz Museum this weekend. The Oz Museum has acquired the actual courage metal that is given to the cowardly lion at

1:42:47the end of the film. Oh. So the prototype that they made all the gold castings from, they have that. That'll be unveiled in the museum and the movie The Wiz, which you want to talk about creepy. Like if you didn't think Wizard of Oz was creepy, the Wiz is a, it gets a little creepy, right? Oh, yes. Michael Jackson Diana Ross. Diana Ross. Russell has been it. Richard Pryor is in it. So the winged monkeys in that movie are motorcycle gang and they ride motorcycles. That's right. We have one of the motorcycles. That's being unveiled on Saturday in the Oz Museum. I'll say this, Corey, my grandparents are buried in Wamego. My beloved farmer, Norman and grandma, Dorothy are buried in Wamego. And I am getting ready to go to Manhattan to see my son. If not this weekend, next weekend. I am absolutely going to stop by and see your gigantic toad. It makes me very happy. Well, text me. I'll give you a grand tour of not only toad with the museum myself. That would be fantastic. Hey, I'd appreciate it. We want you to hang on. I mean, I actually have our producer get your phone number so I can, I can do that and

1:43:48we can make sure you guys are open when we make the track because I want to see it. Do it. I am in for it anytime you guys want the inside scoop, whether it's Oz, whether it's the Boomtown Firework show that we pull off here, any of that stuff, you're more than welcome to literally be my guest again, not to make all the us jokes, but there's no place like Wamego. And if you need the inside track, that is phenomenal. Very quickly before we go last question. Where did this upset because it is an obsession. I'm looking at some of the pictures of your town. You have a real yellow brick road. Where did this obsession with the Wizard of Oz come from? So in a tent to make it a close one before the commercial break, 20 years of media, I know you're probably up against it, right? It's like sponsors pay all the bills. So, so in the late 90s, a local collector put an Oz exhibit in the, in the lower level of the Colombian theater in downtown and people came from all over to come see it. And at that point, they said, you know, if this many people will travel from outside of town to see this, all this stuff, what if we actually made it for real museum?

1:44:49So they got grants, they fundraise, they purchased the property, they started the Oz Museum and the idea was like this generated tourism. And like, can the small towns, I mean, as everyone knows, like the struggle is how do we get more people to come see us, to come spend money here, tourism dollars drive small town economies. So the Oz Museum became a thing. We were now in a third iteration of the Oz Museum as the original. We rebuilt the facade and now we've rebuilt the inside of it all within the last 20 years. So the push was how do we get more folks to Walmigo? Oz seemed to be the conduit and once people started coming, it's just been a continued effort to how do we make not just the Oz Museum of Destination, but actual Oz attraction and experience in downtown Walmigo. Well, Corey, thank you for your time. Really appreciate it. Hang on the line, Corey. Our producer is going to give you my cell phone number and shoot me a text and we'll get this taken care of. We really, really appreciate your time because my grandparents are buried there. We will go through Walmigo. We'll stop and see Grandma and Grandpa. Get a picture with the photo. Get a picture with the todo.

1:45:49And go on to Manhattan and do our man that had an thing. And that is a great almost stacation weekend to me. The ribbon cutting on the 15 foot todo has been moved to Saturday because of the weather. 913-586-7798 here on Danin Parks. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between thinking about photography school and selling your portraits online. It's the difference between giving away those cookies you just made for free and running your cookie empire. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between having a movie reviewing hobby and a movie reviewing career. Squarespace, because no matter what you're into, a website makes it real. Use offer code difference for 50% off select plans to terms a condition supply. A movie that doesn't suck is a legit, hard-hitting American history podcast told through entertaining stories, as we approach America's 250th anniversary.

1:46:51Now might be the time to go back and learn how we got here. With more than 200 episodes, you can bend your way decade by decade, defining event to defining event from the founding into the 20th century. Join me, Professor Greg Jackson, for a history that doesn't suck, an Odyssey podcast available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. By the way, we did a broker rule, did a little research. The Oz Museum in Wamygo has 25,000 different items. We're going. 25,000. A town of about 4,000 people. An Oztoberfest is very much like October Fest the way my research read, but just with a Wizard of Oz theme to it instead. So that museum has more than five Oz items per resident. Yes, Samuel. By the way, most of it is on loan.

1:47:51And yes, most of it is on permanent loan from one person. Judy Garland. It is not. It's a friar somebody. I can't remember the name. I guess it was Judy Garland. I've already closed my research. Did they ever catch the guy that stole the slippers and then he stole them again and then they found them from the Smithsonian? Yeah, no, yeah, remember that. I got the guy, not the slippers. Did he steal from the Smithsonian? I was, no, I think it was up in like Michigan or something. Okay. A craziest story. Huh. And I believe if I'm not mistaken, there are only six of the Ruby slippers or eight. There's not many. And they don't look like Ruby's by the way. When this guy, one of the guys that stole them said at the time, he thought they were real. Real Ruby's. Okay. Are, you know, over the years picture a very old pair of dance shoes that like your 11 year old were in a recital 50 years ago.

1:48:52You know what I mean? They are sequins that were individually sewn on. Nothing about those shoes look like Ruby's. It worked in the movie, but they, you know, they're not. I think this guy may have been maybe the elevator didn't go all the way up. A stolen back in August of 2005, Terry John Martin. No, Terry John. Went into the Judy Garland museum and Grand Rapids, Minnesota smashed the glass casing with a hammer, grabbed the shoes and ran out. Martin thought the sequence in the real Ruby's and wanted to pull off his last criminal score. And it was actually, he didn't believe it. He had a criminal buddy who told him that they were real Ruby's. Okay. A short time later, a criminal associate told him that the gyms were just glass. There's a lot of them. Lost interest and handed the shoes over to another man. Okay. He pled guilty in October of 2023 sentenced in January of 2024 to no prison time. Okay. By the way, there are there is no known number of slippers that were made for the movie,

1:49:52but five pairs do exist. Exist. Yeah. All right. Let's go to college part in Georgia where a judge there has dismissed a temporary protective order against a resident who said the order kept her from speaking at city council meetings. Nurse practitioner Alison Blue said she has long used social media to criticize elected officials. She said those posts became an issue after her friendship with college part councilwoman Jamel McKenzie ended and blue began posting critically about councilwoman McKenzie. McKenzie then filed a temporary protective order against blue. Blue said she did not know about the order when she arrived at a September 21st city council meeting. She said the college park police chief removed her from the meeting and handed her a copy of the TPO. Do you think they would let her return if she presented her complaints in song in song? There's an unwelcome site in the neighborhood. A developer is being greedy.

1:50:54There's a hole in the sky where a tree once stood such a lack of life and sound. All that's left is bare muddy ground. A magnificent tree was murdered. The mighty dollar cut it down. There's a hole in the sky where the tree once was. You know the words. Somebody's making money stand up. There's a hole in the sky where the tree once was. Somebody's making money. Laws protect exceptional trees. Okay, that's enough of that. The best is the- Do you not care about your reputation? The best is the moderator at the end. Thank you, Suzanne. That was a very wonderful presentation. I do have to make for the record to reflect that that is a second warning for disturbance because of group participation. I really love this song. I am saying for a few, I have to maintain consistent boundaries forever. So thank you very much for that.

1:51:56Please not do that again, Suzanne. You think she's still fighting for trees six years later? I do. That was in February of 2020. Good for her. Wasn't really- We've had that song for six years. How bad does someone have to be that someone on the City Council gets a restraining order because we are tired of your comments? And by the way, is it legal if you can't stand the heat of being an elected official, get out of the kitchen. But doesn't every town have that one person? Oh yeah. I will be- My voice will be here. I don't know if he's still alive or not. There was a guy named Phil Klein, not that Phil Klein, who lived in- Not two Ls. I don't remember how many Ls he had, but there was a Phil Klein who I think ran a toy store or like a- Not a toy- Yeah, it was a toy store down in Overland Park. And he would show up to a lot of Johnson County Commission meetings. Yeah. Overland Park City Council meetings.

1:52:57There was also another- He's- Must have been passed by now. He was an older guy. When I used to cover the Johnson County Commission in the late 90s, he would show up, he wore cowboy hat, and he would show up every week. And he would use his allotted five minutes. Oh yeah. You are going to listen to what I have to say. Every week they would say, all right, we're now open for public comment. Does anyone- Let's look at the list and his name that- Every time. Every single week. But wouldn't you rather have an educated, involved citizen than someone who doesn't even know there's about to be construction shutting down the business corridor? Yes. There's a happy middle somewhere. Don't get me wrong. You would rather have someone who's engaged and asking questions. The television stations and newspapers don't have the staff descent to the County Commission meetings anymore. Well, I mean- Somebody's got to pay attention, right? The traditional media as we have known it is definitely dwindling.

1:53:57I remember, you know, when I covered, that was my beat was Johnson County. And so every week I went to the Johnson County Commission meetings, the Overland Park City Council meetings. And I covered the Johnson County Commission. There were three reporters there every week. We had our own table. And I bet you now no one covers it unless there's something major going on. So speaking of speaking up in a decision that one council member describes as quote, heart breaking, the Leewood City Council has voted to follow their public works department advice and not install any sidewalks on some of the streets leading to Brookwood Elementary near the site where a child was struck and killed by a car. If you remember this story, the sidewalks were being considered all up and down that old historic stretch. Like you think Lee Boulevard, right? Which is essentially where that accident happened. And do you remember the city said, look, we can put in sidewalks here.

1:55:01We're going to have to take out all of these trees. We're going to have to take some of your property to do it and wait for it. You the homeowner are going to have to pay for it, which is unfair, that right there is unfair. A non starter that on the lock them site in the neighbor. Take the police down. Be greedy. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. This was the story you guys that pitted the young families with small children against the established people our age and older who have been there forever and said, look, kids have been walking and writing to school for 60 years over here. You're going to take all of our trees and my property and you're going to send me a bill. You know, expensive sidewalks are not cheap and then I have to keep it up because now it's technically even though you have the easement. It's my responsibility. The city council said they are heartbroken, but they had to say no. I actually agree with the city council and I'm sorry for the parents who are upset, but the city just can't go ripping people's property out from underneath them and then

1:56:06force them to pay for something that other people who don't live on that street are going to use. Including everyone of the council members, it kind of breaks my heart that we're not going to put sidewalks in there because I think in the long run, we probably will want sidewalks in there. It's sad to me because clearly there are kids who would use it and it would make them safer, but here we are. When I lived in Roland Park, there was a sidewalk on my street, but I lived on a pretty major street in the city, but you go a little bit farther in on some of those neighborhoods and there were streets with no sidewalks. Most of Waldo doesn't have sidewalks. 49% of those surveyed along that corridor were in favor, 49%. And then the child died and then parents started packing city council meetings, which if you were the parent of a 10 year old or like you would say, why don't we have sidewalks? 913-586-7798. There are five foods that scientists are pointing out could increase your risk of dementia.

1:57:09More than six million Americans live with dementia with an aging population and rising cases of conditions linked to dementia, like obesity, that number is expected to double by the year 2060. Would you care to guess any of the foods that they cite? And don't think potato chips, it's much more general than math. Is diet soda on the list? Number two, any sugar sweetened beverages like soda, sweet tea and sugar refurring. Is fast food? 60% increase in cognitive decline, by the way. Fast food on the list? Kind of sort of yes. Number one is processed meat like bacon, sausage, hot dogs and deli meat. Listen to this. As little as 25 grams of processed meat a day, think two slices of deli meat is associated with a whopping 44% increased risk of all caused dementia. 52% higher risk of Alzheimer's. And most people are washing that down with the diet code. Yep.

1:58:10Number three is fried fish. Number four is refined carbs like white bread, pastries and pasta. Number five, before I get to number five, what was that, sir? Oh, I just, this is all stuff that I tell people not to eat. I'm just loving this list. This is great. Saturated fat comes in at number five that is red meat, dairy, pastries and fried foods. Fried fish is interesting to me. Specifically, they are calling out fried fish. I think it has to do with how much of the oil seeps into the meat itself. So you're getting a higher concentration of those very, very bad, high inflammation oils. Hmm. Oh, and by the way, those who ate more fruits, and here you go, Sam, you're going to love those. All right. Loan the whole thing. There's a line in the story. Those who ate more fruits and vegetables drank more coffee, tea and moderated their alcohol or had a plant-based diet, read that vegetarians were at a lower risk of dementia.

1:59:14913-586-7798. You feel vindicated now? I don't know about that last bullet point, but yeah. 913-586-7798. Here on Damon Parks. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between thinking about photography school and selling your portraits online. It's the difference between giving away those cookies you just made for free and running your cookie empire. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between having a movie reviewing hobby and a movie reviewing career. Squarespace, because no matter what you're into, a website makes it real. Use offer code difference for 50% off select plans to turn the conditions apply. The recap show is an inside look for fans into the world of global soccer, women sports and all things, gal culture, from the inside perspective of two world cup champions and Olympians. Follow and listen to the recap show wherever you get your podcasts.

2:00:16Who put the lastus on the internet in this building today? My hair rubble. We forget how dependent you are on it sometimes until you type in a web address and it's like, oh, I think about that. Just thinking for an hour and a half. As someone who has to open dozens of news stories prior to the program, I was averaging about 48 seconds per news story. Which you normally average how many seconds per news story to load into the queue? Two seconds? Yeah. Wow. And they're watching the circle go around. So they've done the math, crunch the numbers and they have figured out if you are a daytime coffee drinker, not just cup or two in the morning, but you drink at work or early in the afternoon, late in the afternoon, what time you need to stop drinking coffee? The cutoff time.

2:01:16You don't want to disturb your rest at night and it's in hours. Okay. So let's say I go to bed at 10 o'clock. That's exactly the time they cite in the story. You should have your last cup of coffee at what time? If I go to bed at 10 o'clock, is it like 5 p.m.? 5 p.m. You're going to be up late. Really? Oh, yeah. 2 p.m. You're closer. 1 12 p.m. Should be your last cup of coffee. Oh my gosh, because it stays in your system that long. It says here, your last standard serving, or that's something else, analyzing 24 studies, scientists concluded that coffee should be consumed last at least 8.8 hours prior to bed time to avoid disrupting your rest. So if you go to bed at 10 o'clock, 1 12 is your cutoff time. Wow. Believe it or not, coffee and caffeine don't actually give you energy.

2:02:16What is it? They block the receptors that make you feel tired. So it's sort of the opposite. Yep. They just don't make you feel tired, which is why you have such an aggressive crash, because you no longer feel tired, so you don't rest. So you go, go, go, go. That tiredness then compounds, and once those receptors are no longer blocked, roughly 8 hours after you drink it, boom, you crash. OK. Did you see today real quick? This idea? Plus their hearts. I don't know if it's back open. Did you see the shoppers today at the price chopper in Overland Park had to put a little pause on their grocery run when this is the one over at 87th in Santa Fe over by Anioc. Two elderly people were in a car, and they accidentally went. I don't know if this was a, we're hitting the gas instead of the brake situation. Did they put a parking spot inside the store? Yeah. More drive through. Drive through. You have more of a drive through situation. Got it.

2:03:17Uh, building inspector has since been called to the scene to assess the damage. You know, it was, it was a mercury grand marquee. Of course it was. What else would have been there? Has there ever been anyone under the age of 85 driving a mercury grand marquee? No. Nobody under the age of 80 drives a mercury anything, whatever they make. Yes, they're hearts. I think they're okay. You know, they're okay. Yeah. Accidents happen. Back to our caffeine conversation very quickly from the text line. So would that apply to soda as well? Yes. Yeah, it's, it's caffeine. No soda after one, twelve according to that study. Do you think if you were in the soda aisle at the price chopper, they allowed you to check out? What? You know, I hope so. I'll do self check out. Obviously. Um, you guys have other things to attend to. I can exit stage left instead of, um, what is that in that plastic cup? I did. God, it's been so long since I've done this. I made a Starbucks run on the way into work. Uh-oh.

2:04:18And it has been, I bet it's been seven months since I've been to the Starbucks. Okay. And what is in there? Uh, I have consumed about a fourth of it. No, that's three fourths. It was an iced, no, look, it's cool. Oh, oh, I see. Okay. Iced latte. It sounded really good at the time. And then how's it going to sound at about 10 o'clock tonight? No. As soon as you said that, I'm like, man, it's five, two minutes five. The barista wrote. It's very sweet with a little heart. She would enjoy on the cup. And I'm like, you're going to be enjoying this at like midnight when I can't go to bed. A sperm whale cracked the whole of a yacht sailing in the South Pacific, forcing four sailors into a day and night fight for survival on the high seas. This is a very remote and when everything's remote in the South Pacific crew members on the 52 foot yacht, encountered a pot of sperm whales, 250 nautical miles. I don't even know what that means. North is some very tiny island. Okay. There was a loud thud said Australian gemacouper.

2:05:20The whole boat was pushed sideways, not knowing it. First what had happened. She noticed a brown discoloration in the water and a sperm whale and in her pants. They basically floated aimlessly at sea with their broken yacht for 18 hours. I'd rather be stranded at sea on a yacht than like in a dinghy. It says here, 1 p.m. New Zealand time on Saturday, about 30 minutes after the collision with the whale, they activated the emergency beacon. Yeah, I would have gone way through that. 30 minutes, you waited? Okay. And they declared a full-made day, not a half. News with Dan coming to wait in two minutes here on Dana Parks. Thanks for listening to the Dan Parks podcast on KMVZ catches online anytime on KMVZ.com or get the podcasts wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to the Dana and Parks podcast on KMVZ. The steadiness of that admiral, that congressional hearing.

2:06:26A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between thinking about photography school and selling your portraits online. It's the difference between giving away those cookies you just made for free and running your cookie empire. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between having a movie reviewing hobby and a movie reviewing career. Square space, because no matter what you're into, a website makes it real. Use offer code difference for 50% off select plans, terms of condition supply. What you're listening to presumably doesn't suck, so neither should your sound system. Sonos lets you listen seamlessly from room to room. Same great sound, expertly tuned, astonishingly clear. It's not magic, but it's not not magic. You don't anticipate the island's going to capsize and tip over because of all the new service members that he was talking about, Guam, by the way, and that Congressman is still in office. That was like 15 years ago. Don't anticipate that. And that Congressman still serves his district.

2:07:28We were talking about coffee at the tail end of last hour. And when you should have your last cup of coffee, if you want to get a good night's rest, and it's 8.8 hours prior to going to bed, that's how they figured it out. Here's another coffee story in the stack. One in three Americans, or in 30%, say they judge others based on their coffee preferences, according to a new study. The poll of US coffee drinkers found that nearly a quarter, by the way, equally have coffee orders, they only get in secret due to believing they themselves would be judged. Oh, yeah. I think we judge people on a lot of things we order and let me give you an example. Have you ever seen a 30s, 40s, something man go up to the bartender with a straight face and order an amaretta sour? I don't go to bars, but there are.

2:08:28Is that a drink you're not supposed to order if you're a man or something? Is that embarrassing? What is a sort of specifically, I want to try something when my parents aren't home, 17 year old girls drink? Okay. Now I will go up and order a poloma, and I've gotten some weird looks. Yeah, in the summer. I wouldn't look at you weird in the summer with a poloma. What's a poloma? A grapefruit. Oh. Very, very refreshing. Why can't we just call it a grapefruit? I remember when I was working at a bar and restaurant that I hated back in my Laurence days. If any girl came in and said, I'll take an amaretta sour, I'd be like, no, you're under age. That was just the thing. That was the go to for your 19 years old, you don't have a fake ID. You don't know what to order. You're not drinking a beer or a margarita. I'll take an amaretta sour. I'd be like, no, can't do it. Let me guess you don't have an ID. I didn't last for a long enough time. Was that the Dosaumbre's job? Yes.

2:09:30Dosaumbre's doesn't exist anymore anyway. But I found an interesting Dana at the end of the last hour, Scott asked you what was in your cup and you seemed cautious to share what it was. Why? Because it's candy in a cup. That Z? So, yeah, sort of. Did you think I was, well, I mean, you're judging yourself, though, by saying it's candy in a cup. I know. If you order, like, I'll just take a coffee, black. That's more of an adult order than can I just put a bunch of whipped cream and chocolate in a cup and call it coffee? Which I really did. I just threw that away and it went clunk into the trash because I drank so little of it because that's the kind of thing to me that sounds really good at the time and you get about 10 sips in and you're like, probably not the best. From the text line, orders you should keep secret. Okay. Bounalist wings. Okay. Yeah. What do you want adult chicken nuggets? Who are you? That's what that is. And also from the text line, my 40-year-old boyfriend orders Peña Caladas all the time. What about like pork rinds? Oh, that's so bad for you.

2:10:31I know. Like, if you were going to pull those out and eat them, I think you'd do that in secret because you know immediately people are going to be like, what are you doing? What was that nut snack? Corn nuts. Corn nuts. I used to eat those in college like they were going out of style and yet even though I knew what it was doing to my breath, did anybody ever get a kiss? No. After downing a bag of corn nuts. Did you need the extra descriptor on the kiss? We did not. Okay. By the way, do we need an arc? Okay. What is going on with the rain? So during the news break with Dan at the top of the hour, I got up because the blinds were pulled down and looked really dark. And so I pulled the blinds up and I turned to Dan and I go, holy crap. It is pouring out there. By the way, the PSA that everybody wants us to say now, if your lights are on or if your windshield wipers are on, your lights have to be on that is state law in both Kansas

2:11:34and Missouri. Okay. I'm a grown man and I love Emirato, Emirato sour. I don't know that I'd order it. I'll even make them when I go camping. That's the kind of order to me with respect that you write down quietly on a napkin and you just slide it over to the mart. I mean, what orders should you be ashamed of? Like a grown man going in and getting a, you know, French vanilla bean, cap of chain. I don't even know what the coffee orders are. I don't think the baristas judge anybody anymore because they've seen it all, right? I'd be embarrassed if I ordered a happy meal and I have before because I was a little hungry but not really hungry. Yeah. And I ordered a happy meal. Did you ask for the toy? You get the toy with the meal? You got a kid in the car, sir. No, no. He's at home taking this home to my child. Who's 25? Happy meal is a good one. Anything at the grocery store that's embarrassing? Good question.

2:12:34Because I think that, first of all, it's self-check out more times than not these days. But if you're a checker at a grocery store, you've also seen it all. Is there anything more awkward than grabbing the employee at the Walmart to get into the family needs? Yeah. But all that stuff's locked up. Really? You're like, yeah, I'll take that box and they're like, oh, it's stolen items. What is? Family needs? Yeah, that whole aisle. So it's like pregnancy tests, prophylactic stuff. Oh, that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of that underlocking key. Okay. What is embarrassing to, I would be embarrassed because it's obvious that I don't have kids at home anymore. I look like a man who's got flown and grown. Capri Sun. Oh, that's a great one. Got a soccer game this weekend for the grandkids, no? Okay. One of those things we used to eat when we were kids. They're rubber. Oh, yeah. Fruit roll-ups.

2:13:34Fruit roll-ups. Not food. That would be embarrassing. Here's one. Sunny Delight. Any adult that's drinking? Sunny D. Sunny D. Their refrigerator. Which, look, I love me a good orange juice and I realized that sugar too. Sunny D is beyond. That's not food. That's not food. I said to somebody the other day that when I was growing up, we would be in bars, tanners and whatnot and the adults would have, be having adult beverages and I would always get a Shirley Temple. And I don't remember who I said it to, but they kind of gave me the dog confused head tilt. Like, a boy ordering a Shirley Temple. For the boys, it was called the Roy Rogers. The Roy Rogers. My gosh, I remember that. I didn't know I should have been embarrassed to say, I'll take a Shirley Temple, please, as seven-year-old. Who the hell was Roy Rogers? I don't know. Who was Shirley? Roy Rogers. Roy, Shirley Temple was a child actress. So was he. He was a cowboy. He was? Yes. Oh, yeah.

2:14:35Roy Rogers. We're from 1911 to 1998. Nick named the King of Cowboys. Isn't his horse? I'm pretty sure his horse is at the Kansas State, like, historical museum. I'm pretty sure. What was the name of Roy Rogers horse? I'm looking. I'm looking. Um, I have no idea. He's a country music hall of fame. Oh, you know what I'm talking about. He'll tell us on the text line. From the text line, I'll judge you if you get instant coffee. Oh, Sanka. Let me see some Sanka. Nobody has ever said that. My grandma used to, you would put the grains in water. Do you remember this? And stir it. The horse's name is Trigger. Thank you. I'm pretty sure, and I don't know why I think this, Trigger exists somewhere around here in a museum, like maybe in Lawrence. I don't know. I'll look it up. And also from the text line, if you're over the age of eight and put ketchup on your hot dog, I'm judging.

2:15:37See, I take issue with that. I like ketchup on a hot dog. Because on a steak, you're a weirdo. I do it on the steak, too. On a hot dog, I get relish and ketchup. I cannot do mustard on a hot dog. Um, here's another one. I don't even know if they make this anymore. Tang. Okay. I do have a confession to make. When I was little, my parents would get, I think it was the knockoff tang. I don't know what they called knockoff tang, but I'm pretty sure we had a knockoff tang. I would take spoonfuls of that, you guys. Spoonfuls of that powder. Put it in a glass. Put a little bit of water. Stir it around. That was the best sugar rush of a high. And I think you're supposed to put like one teaspoon or something in your drink. I would just go, it was good. I did that with the country time lemonade powder. Yeah, yeah. All right. Trigger is on display taxidermate, of course.

2:16:37That would be odd. They're just rotting away. They just keep him there. At the John Wayne and American Experience Museum in Fort Worth. Okay. Comanche, the famous horse from Little Big Horn. That's the one at the Natural History Museum in Lawrence. Oh, yeah. From the text line, thank you. Roy Rogers is just a cherry coke. No, I wanted a Shirley Temple as a kid. I don't want Coca-Cola. I wanted the seven up. Okay. 913-586-7798. Don't forget tomorrow at 5 o'clock. We will be doing Festivus Friday, the airing of the grievances here on Dana and Parks. Well, Dana was right. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between thinking about photography school and selling your portraits online. It's the difference between giving away those cookies you just made for free and running your cookie empire. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between having a movie reviewing

2:17:39hobby and a movie reviewing career. Squarespace, because no matter what you're into, a website makes it real. Use offer code Difference for 50% off select plans, terms and conditions apply. G'day, I'm Justin Malthus, host of the Platypus Economics podcast. People who understand economics make better decisions and I want that for you. Listen to and follow Platypus Economics available now wherever you get your podcasts. In the forecast, if we can get through tonight, it gets a lot better as far as the weather. It's just I'll never miller on Channel 9 from Friday through at least next Saturday. It is going to be sunny and mild every single day. Not a cloud in the sky kind of sunny. File this under how the hell does this happen? A woman is suing a hospital in Ohio over a quote, wrong leg amputation.

2:18:49Now, Ohio couple is suing a hospital and surgical team. After a procedure, they say resulted in the amputation of the wrong leg. Sharon Jax went to Selby General Hospital for what they're calling an elective right leg amputation below the knee. Surgeons instead amputated her left leg and I'm asking the same question you are elective. How the heck do you elect to have your it will make sense here? Sharon Jax made the decision to have her right leg amputated below the knee because of cancer in that leg. The lawsuits general allegations section states that before surgery, the correct leg was checked off and marked when Mrs. Jax went in to have an elective right leg amputation below the knee because of the cancer she had in her right leg. It was a tough decision. She came out. The left leg had been removed. Now you still have cancer in the right leg that then has to be removed. She's now a double amputee. Her husband has had to quit his job to take care of his wife.

2:19:53She's an army veteran by the way. I don't know. Selby General Hospital has issued a statement. Calling the incident quote an adverse surgical event. Downplay party of one your table is ready. That's what they're I want to say an adverse surgical event is like come up with something where you could use that verbage and it would not be completely out of line with what happened. You know there are prices that they put on limbs and I'm looking up. Not when it's a leg and you take the wrong one because now essentially you have to take both of them. All right. So here we go in a medical malpractice lawsuit a leg that is wrongly removed known medically

2:20:53as wrong site surgery typically results in a multi million dollar payout usually ranging between three and 10 million dollars. It would have to be. That is not enough. I was worried you were going to say three and 500,000. It yeah. It goes on to say because removing the healthy leg. This is obvious usually means the patient must eventually have the disease leg amputated as well leaving them with no legs. We get back to the adverse surgical event. Why would anyone write that with a straight face? Why can't when when it is so obvious that someone has screwed up so irrevocably and avoidably like all of those things. Why can't you just say we are horrified. We launched an investigation as soon as this happened. Our proactive review of what took place confirmed this was an avoidable event. Yeah. The reason they're writing it, they know a lawsuit's coming and they don't want to give

2:21:53the plaintiff added material to use against them in question. Page 24 of the lawsuit states, a wrongful site amputation is quote a catastrophic foreseeable and preventable patient safety event. What about the review was proactive. Wouldn't a proactive review have been, Hey, is this the right leg. It was a reactive review. You're right. They mark. I mean, they do. Mark, Mark, Mark. That story said that. Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark. That story just said it was Mark. What I guess my guess is they marked it on paper, marked it on paper and then maybe they flipped her over in the operating room. Oh no. By understanding you're supposed to physically mark the body part of the chart. With the patient, by the way, while the patient is still you to, in fact, I've heard of surgeons or the anesthesiologist saying, here's the Sharpie, Mark the leg. You mark your leg. Mark the leg we're removing. Mm hmm. And where do you want to write? I would write, take this one, not that one. Well, then you've marked two legs.

2:22:55That's right. Take this one, ding, ding, ding, not that one. I care to guess what an arm is worth if wrongfully removed by a surgeon. Five million. That's actually the, that's the highest. It's lawsuits have resulted in 500,000 to just over five million. Let me ask you this. If they remove an arm in a leg, does that cost an arm in a leg? Get out. Does the case have a leg to stand on? Get out. I'll do the show myself. I am just undying in here, picturing the doctor's looking at Dana's legs. One says this one and the other one says not that one. How do they decide who to do it? You're right, Ashley. That just muddles the water. We're confusing with position. It's got to be way more clear than that. Just say this one. Leave the good leg alone. You don't want to mark anything on the good leg because if it's, I saw words, I didn't know what to do. I saw words I started sawing. Good lord. What is a finger worth?

2:23:55Not as much. Worth very much at all. What are your guesses? Do you think they're going to settle very quickly or are they going to kick it to trial? Get out. I also think with fingers, I had to say this, it matters which one. It matters which one it does. Can I play thumb wars anymore? Can I flip off somebody? Really? I'm serious. We use our fingers for different things. Your pinky finger, by the way, is worst. The least. Would you care to guess? It's a pretty wide range, but it's less than $4 million. I was going to say, I was going to say like $25,000. $15,000 to $200,000, depending. Okay. Depending. If you're a concert pianist, I need that one. What would be the, you wouldn't want your middle finger removed because you used it to do that. I like that one. It's very important. I used it on the pickleball court last night. You gave somebody the bird on the pickleball court? Yeah. What? Johnny almost hit me again. And I go, blah! Like joking, not like it was funny.

2:24:56You had to be there. And you're not. And one of my girlfriends when she lost to her husband said, well, at least I'm not flipping anyone off on the court. And it was not a full on. It was like, it was like that. It was very funny. You don't play on the same team? Last night we were opponents. Yeah. I use my middle finger a lot, but what I do is a lie. Yes, you did. That is a lie. It's a stone-cold lie. Some interesting days today. By the way, we were talking about coffee today is National Coffee Day. Mm-hmm. Hi. National Hair Day. What does that mean? It just says highlights hair care, styling products, and the professional hair care community. Okay. Now, there you go. If it's take a plant to your stylist day and say thank you, I can get behind that. And it's also National Pumpkin Spice Day. Okay. When we get back, interesting bulletin from the FBI. Hmm. A firefighter is now on the most wanted list.

2:26:00They thought he was dead. Now they're not so sure. In fact, they think he may have faked his death. Oh. How does one even begin? I could not keep that web of lies straight. Before we do that, Tristan in North Kansas City. Hello. Hi. I wanted to bring a little levity to the situation. I feel bad for this lady who had both her- Oh, my God. Yeah. I had a friend. He had to have his leg amputated. And he went for his life consultation and asked the doctor, where were you going to cut? And the doctor marked it. He then that day, when he got attacked you above the line saying cut here. Ha-ha-ha. Okay. That's funny. Oh, it gets better. So the doctors came in and as they were reeling him out and he woke up, he looked down. And the doctors had written over it. Oops. And he got that tattooed on it. Okay. That's really funny. Tristan, thank you for the laugh. Truly.

2:27:00And Ruthie in Kansas City, you get the last word on this. Hello, Ruthie. Okay. About 20 years ago, I was working in this hospital. I can't say the name or anything. But the young girl went in there for an epit... This epindectomy, the doctor gave her a hysterectomy. Those are not the same body parts. I know. I know that they make mistakes all the time. So I'm not going to deny for nothing. Okay. 913-586-7798. We should have taken Ruthie first. And then the tattoo collar. 913-586-7798. Here on Dane & Parks. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between thinking about photography school and selling your portraits online. It's the difference between giving away those cookies you just made for free and running your cookie empire. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between having a movie reviewing hobby and a movie reviewing career.

2:28:01Squarespace, because no matter what you're into, a website makes it real. This offer code difference for 50% off select plans, terms and conditions apply. On Reddit, true crime doesn't come from journalists. It comes from the victims, the witnesses, and sometimes the suspects themselves. Every Tuesday on Crimes of Reddit, we read these posts out loud. I'm Sabrina Deanna Roga, and I'm Alexis Linkletter. One of us brings the story, the other goes in blind, reacting in real time, just like you. New episodes dropped every Tuesday. Listen to and follow Crimes of Reddit, available now wherever you get your podcasts. Story here real quick from Channel 9. And there's a key word I want you to listen to in the story. It's the word should not must, should, when the word should be must. Missouri now has new guidelines for how police should use flock cameras and other license

2:29:04plate readers. The state of Missouri has put out new guidelines for how police should use the flock cameras. Is it just talking X? The Department of Public Safety released the guidance yesterday for law enforcement agencies two weeks after Governor Mike Kehoe ordered the state to put new safeguards around the technology. Maybe it's to stock that one girl you saw at the gym, Dana. According to the Department of Public Safety, police should have a legitimate law enforcement reason to search the cameras. The agencies should keep track of who is accessing the data and most of that information should be deleted after 30 days. Officers should also independently verify a camera alert before taking action while agencies should audit how the systems are being used at least once a month. The Department recommended. It's recommended. We're encouraging you to do this, but you don't have to. One of Texas, a Lufkin police officer was sentenced to five years in prison yesterday

2:30:08after he pleaded guilty to 100 counts related to flock camera misuse. 33 years old Zachary Anthony Klein pleaded guilty to 100 counts of misuse. The state also agreed not to pursue stalking charges concerning the incident. And Jerry and Dited him in late August. Initial reports indicated he ran searches more than 10,000 times. You know how this all came out in the wash, by the way. Tell me. Journalists at the USA today contacted the police and said, hmm, we have one officer coming back that has searched these cameras 10,000 times. There were actually more than 25,000 misuses of official information in the case.

2:31:10Obviously, quote, at some point that becomes redundant to charge them all. So here's the way I think about this. The cities and states better start putting up some real safeguards, not recommendations. Or the people are going to protest so much and I don't mean take to the streets with placards and stuff like that. They're going to show up at city council meetings and where else. And they're going to get the flock cameras just completely removed. People are going to start running for the city council in cities across the country on an anti-flock platform. Prosecutors say Klein used the systems to gather identities. Listen to this. Identities. Home addresses license plate numbers and vehicle registration data for his former girlfriend, her family members and individuals she had dated in the past after their relationship ended.

2:32:11Should there not be some sort of red flag for any officer in a town of I don't care what size. That is running 10,000 checks. Why did it take the USA today? Who I guarantee you did a freedom of information request. The police department clearly wasn't policing itself. USA today called and said you got one officer looking up 10,000 things. You got a war going on there in your town. What's going on in that town? And the answer is he was ticked off at an ex-girlfriend. There's no other answer for that. But this is the idiocy of looking up an ex-girlfriend anything. What do you think you're going to gain by finding out where she is? Or her mom or her dad or like her family members were caught up in this thing, Scott. Nothing brings a woman back to you, like letting her know that you've been stalking her everywhere she goes. Maybe I didn't just stalk you 9,000 times. I went for 10. Well, and Scott, the joke that I made earlier, that was a real story.

2:33:14There was a police officer who saw a girl at a gym. I know. We talked about it earlier this week or late last. It's crazy. I'd left a note on her car. Remember creep. The police department responded with this equally brazen and ridiculous statement. While one of our officers had a lapse in judgment. Okay. Who do they hire to write these statements? I could do it as a full-time job, Scott. And I would never say after someone stalked their ex-girlfriend 10,000 times and all of her family members, who by the way also did nothing wrong. They're just being stalked and they don't even know it. I would never say that that officer, quote, had a lapse in judgment. So if I held up a bank, have I engaged in a crime or a lapse in judgment? Was a lapse in judgment? Huh. Absolutely was a lapse in judgment. Are you? It gets worse.

2:34:14I can only imagine. We recognize that this incident does not define the hard work and honor displayed by the men and women who serve our community every day. I'll give you that. Most of the officers are probably just fine. Yep, that's fair. We hope he receives the support he needs during this difficult chapter. What? By support, do you mean removing his flock password? We hope he receives the support he needs during this difficult chapter. And we sincerely hope his future is not solely defined by the circumc- he has immediate future for the next five years is going to be defined by wearing orange. Yeah. And Scott, I like your key in on the governor's use of the term should. Well, that was the government's. The governor's name did come up because he had issued an executive order. Got it. That also included a number of recommendations for guardrails. This was the department of public safety, I believe.

2:35:15Whoever used the word should. What happens if they don't? Nothing. These are good. Should indicates that there are no restrictions. So these are strictly recommendations to cities and towns and other law enforcement agencies throughout the state of Missouri. There is nothing that has teeth in it in these recommendations. I would ask you to think about your own profession. Doesn't matter who it is. What you do where you are doesn't matter. In every profession, you're going to have like, well, outside of Washington, you're going to have like 98% of people that are doing the right thing and they're doing a good job. Right. For the most part, you're going to have about 2% that like, dawn down in sales. I mean, let's be honest, he's a little creepy like kind of that. Your every organization, no matter what you do, you know, maybe you got a surgeon at your hospital cutting off the wrong leg. There's always one thing. Okay. This next sentence should scare the hell out of all of us. Between Loughkin PD and the Angelina County Sheriff's Office, they say we have almost 130 sworn officers and deputies.

2:36:19And only one of them was misusing flock. So our law enforcement by and large did exactly what they were supposed to do. And that should renew and instill trust in your law enforcement. The comment they're making is basically we don't need safeguards. This was just one guy and we really are praying for him at this time. The problem is, let's say it's 1% of bad actors in every profession. Where are the guardrails to block the one guy? And a couple cases, let's be honest, it's a kukukachu woman. It has been. There have been a couple of women. You're absolutely right. 1911 director. Where are the safeguards to protect the public from the one bad apple? And you cannot tell me with a straight face that every single department or does not have one bad apple. Every profession has one bad apple. And we had a story, I think it was last week on the program about the flock camera system in Kansas City, Kansas. And also up in was it, it was in the North Atlantic.

2:37:23Was it Gladstone? I can't remember. Where Houston, Dallas, in California, and the California Highway Patrol, were doing flock searches in the tens of thousands in Wanda County and in the Northland. Why? Are they just throwing out some gigantic net and seeing what comes in? Is it thousands of officers asking about one plate or is it one officer asking about a plate 10,000 times? So they're trying to make the public feel better by saying, we have a hundred three of it was just one. There's always going to be one, right? Even if they look it up one time, you just can't help yourself. You're home alone on a Saturday night. Maybe your girlfriend lives in another state. Flock doesn't even have safeguards for that. The temptation is there. There are no safeguards. You just want us to believe that because the majority of the people are doing the right thing,

2:38:24we shouldn't worry about the one that's stalking his girlfriend. That's insanity. And to what end? To resent her more than she's moved on. And seriously, are you trying to torture yourself, young man? I mean, what's the point? Okay, she drove down I 35 yesterday. She turned left at 75th Street. What are you going to do with that information? They hope they can figure out where they're going so they can, you know, say they're going to the Starbucks on 95th admission. They can pop over to the Starbucks and be like, oh my god, what are you doing here? I've missed you so much. I wonder where your skin. Okay. Wow, that went to a level I did not see coming. How was the sushi three nights ago? How do you know I got sushi? Because I follow you on Flock and I'm crazy. And I'm trying to build up more resentment for you inside me. And it worked like a charm. And what the heck is she wearing on her head on MSNBC?

2:39:26That is a bizarre cowboy hat, young lady. And you just went squirrel and we need to go to break? 913-586-7798 here on Dana and Parks. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between thinking about photography school and selling your portraits online. It's the difference between giving away those cookies you just made for free and running your cookie empire. A beautifully designed square space website is the difference between having a movie reviewing hobby and a movie reviewing career. Square space, because no matter what you're into, a website makes it real. Use offer code difference for 50% off select plans in terms of condition supply. What if the thing you're listening to right now never got interrupted? What if it could play uninterrupted from room to room on Sonos? What if you start with two Sonos speakers just to see how it feels? Because it's not magic.

2:40:27Story here from NBC News. The FBI is renewing its search for a former Alameda County California firefighter who investigators believe may have faked his own life. But it's not magic. Story here from NBC News. The FBI is renewing its search for a former Alameda County California firefighter who investigators believe may have faked his own death. As he faced federal charges on child sex abuse images, federal authorities announcing this week that the former firefighter may still be alive, prompting a new public appeal for information to help track him down. A federal grand jury has indicted Charles Harris in March of 2023. On charges of possession of child sex abuse images, federal authorities say they received that he was alleged to have been uploading the material while at work. Faces of maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Now more than three years later, the FBI says there is a possibility that his drowning was staged.

2:41:36Quoting yes. How does one stage a drowning? That's a really, really good question. Drowning drowned drowned drowned or you did not drown drowned. I don't as quoting here from a legal analyst by the name of Stephen Clark. There may have been tips that came into the FBI of a sighting of Mr. Harris. That is frequently the case. Someone who was wanted to come forward to law enforcement. Okay. I don't know. Well, the one guy who ended up in Eastern Europe with some woman that he had met online. Didn't he try to quote fake his own drowning by using a kayak? Yes. On a lake up in Minnesota or Wisconsin. He flipped it over and ran and they were like, well, we can't find him. Yeah, he's not there. And then he got into Canada and then somehow ended up in Eastern Europe. And he was wanted back here for, it was either failure to pay child support or Alamos.

2:42:36He was a side-canned member. It wasn't anything horribly serious if I recall. But he wanted people to think I have drowned. Here's my kayak. I don't know. The FTC Federal Trade Commission has opened a broad probe into the safety of AI systems, including Anthropic and Open AI. The New York Post was first to report this. The probe is looking into allegations of unfair or deceptive acts by AI companies of potential harm to consumers. No. This is not making me feel good. The FTC probe comes as AI leaders issue warnings about the threat of AI and calling for steps to slow it down before it outspers humans. No, it's down before we're all dead. Did you see there was, I think I got this right. They formed some sort of like safety overview committee or something. One of the members is Newt Gingrich. Now, listen, say what you will.

2:43:37I don't care about his politics at all. I prefer a slightly younger demographic on something like that. Right. Newt, I have not heard that name in probably 20 years. Yep. Hang on, here it is. It may not have been AI necessarily. It's something involving the Pentagon. But Newt Gingrich, by the way, is 83 years old. I would have guessed north of that. Okay. Help Pentagon with a warfare initiative. Project Meridian is going to examine future battlefields and military capabilities with findings due in 120 days. Okay. Oh, but they also point out that Elon Musk and another guy, the third guy have extensive Pentagon business, including multi-billion dollar defense contracts. And Iowa Substitute teacher has been fired for pressuring high schoolers to help fund her mission to Ecuador in exchange for extra

2:44:37credit. Uh-oh. This is straight out of the hangover, by the way. Remember the very beginning is like, I need your money for the field trip. Yes. Stephanie Malali, a full-time long-term substitute, was canned from her position at Lincoln Community School District in May. Malali is accused of offering her students extra credit points if they donated money to her personal GoFundMe account, which was created to send her and her husband, Nick, to Ecuador. Yep. According here from a law judge, Dwayne Golden, who apparently did the investigation, she promised high school students in her class that they would receive extra credit. Oh my gosh. Hey, at least she wasn't hiding it. Like she didn't say I've got some disease or illness and I need it for this. Like at least she just saying I want to go on vacation and I don't have the money to pay for it. Malali set a $1,800 target goal on the crowdsourcing page, but received a measly $140.

2:45:38From six donations ranging from $5 to $50. Correct. And lastly, nerves are known to get the best of some grooms in the minutes prior to taking the plunge, but when one jittery fell his big day mistake happened, calling his wife to be another woman's name. No! Who was the other woman? Her sister. Oh! Oh, my that is awkward and reception. Footage of the nightmare, a massing more than 2.2 million views, features the groom pledging his life and undying love to Emily and not Emma. Okay, but in the same wheelhouse, you know, if he had said like instead of Emma, Rochelle, still like we got it, we might have to bring that back tomorrow. I want to hear it. I want to hear him say then did he go oh my gosh. I think she probably looked at him with a look that they could kill.

2:46:38Wow. You said you I do to my sister, but all right, we got to run birthday today. If anyone has any reason to object to this union, I'd be like, yep, I'm out. Randy Quaid is 76 today and baseball, Mark McWire is 63. We got to run bonus hours next on behalf of our producer today. The finest man in the United States, the great Sam Stevie, the third, my good friend, Ecos Dana Wright. My name is Scott Parks and God willing, we're back tomorrow at two o'clock. Have a great night. Be safe. Be well and be good to one another. Good night. Bye. Thanks for listening to the Dana and parks podcast on KMBZ. Catch us online anytime on KMBZ.com or get the podcasts wherever you get your podcast. You must remember this presents The Bisexuals. Libby Holman was a sexually fluid blue singer who became famous in the 1920s and then infamous when she was indicted for her husband's murder. Later, Libby began an affair with movie star Montgomery Clifft,

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