Flopzilla: A Vicki Gunvalson Story (RHOC Full Recap S20E11)

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2:06I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma and yes, I am a bitch. Rob bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Rob bros, your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen. I'm a co-host, steel russle joined as always by the one and only orange County Goots. What's up, dude? It's like almost a mean thing to say. It is. Yeah, it's sort of an insult. Don't compare me to this show. What I'll say about this show in Bravo. They're listening. People have a lot of things going on in their lives. People look to television to shows like this to kind of break away and enjoy just like 42 minutes of unfiltered fun drama with people that they don't know so that they can escape from their actual lives. What they're doing by rolling this damn show out is a complete disservice to everybody who watches it. All these people and I'm sure the ratings are still high because everybody watches

3:09OC. Like, how are those people not gouging their eyes out? This is such a bad product. I know you put a lot of eggs in the basket that Vicki's going to be able to just come back, shake off the cobwebs and be the same Vicki that made the show great eight years ago. She's a double flop. We talked about it last week. Double flop all over the place. She's a little bit more tolerable in an ultimate girl's trip now. But that was filmed before this. So she clearly doesn't get any better. It's so bad. It is so bad. I don't even know what we're doing anymore. I don't know what the storylines are. We spent more time talking about Gina and Travis in this episode than we've ever done before, which is a terrible thing. That's like a recession indicator. We're spending more time talking about Heather's redoing again, the apartment that we've talked about 20 times and they even do it like tongue and cheek. Like we talked about this before. Yeah, because it was carefree and it was fun. And we got to watch Heather talk about spending a million dollars or two million dollars on renovations for an apartment. Then we have to go to Gina and Travis who met on like Christian Ningal or something and

4:10they're talking about their lives. Like I just, I don't know what's going on anymore. I think we've completely lost the plot. The plot is so far gone that we're never going to be able to get it back. And of course, we have another check in with Emily and her family. Like I don't know where we're going. You know a show is not doing well. When we start the show off our show with Shooter Rants, we've had multiple episodes this season in which Shooter has rented. If Shooter Rants something's really wrong. Something's bad. So I think that has happened. And he has started our episodes off. I think three times now with a rant, which I very much appreciate. I know the audience does too. But as you said, the Gina Travacies are a recession indicator. A Shooter rant to lead off an episode tells you that we are in a bad place. It's a bad place. And like for me, the biggest issue I'm having is like entertainment value. When you go on the cutting room floor, you're sitting there as an editor for Bravo.

5:11This is what we have. You guys film hours, days, consecutively. This is really all you can get for us. After what happened in Vicki's house, that was the most uncomfortable scene I've seen on Bravo in years. And you couldn't milk that for more. You couldn't get more out of that. What's wrong with you? What's going on? Like I don't know who they need. Go get Eagle Woman. No way. No, she's canceled now. No, she's canceled. Yeah. Do something. Have a say on it. But like I will say this until it comes back until we get, we talked about in our ultimate girls trip episode that we think we've seen indicators that Miami is on the way back. You know, don't quote us on that, but we're a little bit more confident than we've been. Until it's official. How dare you, Bravo? How dare you put that show on pause twice? And OC's never been paused once. OC is ass. This is straight buns.

6:11And you pause a show like Miami. And I'm forced to sit here and watch this mess. I need to watch a juxtapose scene talking about Vicki being a stick in the mud after watching the scene of Vicki being a stick. You know what's even less fun than watching somebody be a bummer, talking about that person being a bummer. We're not doing anything. We're not going anywhere. It's all to lead to the place that Vicki must be going through something. We'll get there six episodes ago because she's been doing this shit the entire season. Why are we just, ah, I can't, I just, there's nothing of substance. It's brutal when the sticking point is to talk about how busy Vicki is with work. Yes, exactly. I've worked really hard to get to where I am. I can't just put that on pause. Then maybe you shouldn't be on the show. I like Vicki. I have no like real problems with Vicki. There's nothing like actual substantial situations or anything there with Vicki at all,

7:12but she's boring. She's just bringing nothing. And now we're getting to the point. And it really is. It's, it's vultures circling a dead carcass. I mean, Vicki is putting things out there that maybe are true. Maybe they're not true. Like I don't really know if I have a good read on the Michael situation. I can tell you he's probably not happy that she's doing the show. I would imagine they probably had arguments about her coming back to do the show because they were probably in a good place. And he doesn't want any of that to happen. Lo and behold, by doing that and by hiding those things, if by having him come back clearly, he doesn't want to be filmed. He walks through his house straight to Vicki's room. They're upset about something. Everybody feels uncomfortable of a whole situation. And that's how we start off the episode. It's like, okay, maybe we'll get something good from this. Maybe Vicki will come out and she'll yell at them or do whatever. Instead, she's just uncomfortably making the dinner and saying, well, you guys can leave it if you want to. But two of them actually leave. And then I feel bad for Shannon who's just trying to mediate and be somewhat normal and help both sides. It was so uncomfortable. It wasn't even entertaining. It was just very uncomfortable to watch because now you have to let your brain go into

8:16is Vicki, okay, what's going on with her and Michael is Michael. Okay. Is there something more that we're not hearing and she's not talking about because it doesn't make any sense that she'd be back on the show, but not opening up about all the things that are going on? Or is there nothing going on? And she just knows and he knows that they're going to read into a situation no matter what and try to drive a wedge between them. And that's what's going to happen. The whole thing is just such a mess right now. And I don't even really care either when we're doing the juxtaposed scene in the beginning of the episode and going over to Las Olivos, I think it is where the rest of the group is. They're not really talking about anything either. They're talking about Vicki being a stick in the mud. It's like, okay, now everybody's just talking about it. That's where we've gone with this show is, yeah, Carmella seems to be good. Carmella and Danny broke up shocker, not really surprised by any of that. But that's it. That's really it. I don't care about Gina and Travis getting married. I don't care about Jen getting married. I don't care about any of that. Emily, please for the love of God, stop talking about your son on camera. Leave him alone. Seriously, we've had this discussion many a time, but I'm so dumb with it.

9:20That's all I have for you. That's the only energy I have. I don't know what this episode was. It was such a waste of time. It felt like one of those episodes, when we do that, when it's really bad and you click and you're like, holy shit, it's 54 minutes, what are we going to get from this? That felt like a 54 minute episode. It was just a normal episode. It was 42. It was normal. I had the same thought I paused. I was at the gym on the stairs. And usually I'll do half the episode on the stairs, half the episode in the sauna. That's my setup. It's a nice little setup. I enjoyed very much. It starts my day off nicely. But it probably ruins your setup. Oh, he fucked my day. Yes. It set the tone. I'm on the stairmaster. Didn't look at the actual time on the stairmaster. I just clicked the episode and I was like, I got to be halfway. 12 minutes. I was 12 minutes into the episode and thought I was halfway. But all Gina's doing in these juxtaposed scenes. We're already in the episode, by the way. You would know because I didn't even know I was watching the episode. But all Gina's trying to do and it's because she's not very good at this.

10:22She's trying to set up Carmella. She's trying to put words in her mouth. She's saying all these vickyisms to her. It's like, oh, if someone you're going to judge, it should be Victoria, right, Carmella? Ha, ha, ha. She says something else. Older than Vicky, right, Carmella? What are you doing? I know exactly what you're doing. You're trying to get in a situation where you go to Vicky and you say, we were all together. Carmella said you're old. Stella said this. Carmella said that to set up a storyline because you're jealous of Carmella because she has better listings than you because Heather went to her. You're trying to make something out of nothing. Mark my words. This conversation will come back in a one-on-one with Gina and quote unquote, Victoria. She's doing that now too, by the way. Not just Emily. Gina's doing it now too. Awesome. Love that. Doesn't make me want to poke my ears out. But that's all I was getting from this scene. I was watching the whole thing go like Gina is masking the whole thing with the, oh,

11:26we're all good now. I was having fun. Ha, ha. And in my mind, I'm like, oh, you're trying to start something. You're trying to make something out of nothing, which I mean, five at the very least, at least you're trying to do something on a cast that nobody's doing anything. But it's just so contrived and it's so annoying. And it's like, again, we're at Vicky's house now. Ladies are packing. It's like wildly uncomfortable. So the point that you at home are like, I don't feel good about this. Get out of hand. No, can we leave? Yeah. Yes. Please. Like, let's go. And like Vicky walking around the kitchen is awkward. Weirdly, the bright spot for multiple episodes and credit where credits do always at the brawl pros. Shannon. This, this version of Shannon trying to mediate and keep Vicky above water has been the most delightful version of Shannon that I've seen on TV because she's awkward. She's funny. And it's like, my pizza looks the best and walks out. That was funny. She's been the only moment for me where I'm like, oh, wow, Shannon's really coming to her own in the worst season of LCM.

12:27I think it's still funny too because everybody who listens knows how we watch these shows when we're looking and projecting for what the story line's going to be or how that's going to play out. I can't even do it with this show anymore. Like, you just did it. And I'm like, wow, I didn't catch that. It's because I don't care. My heart's not in the game. My heart is not in this show. My heart's not in the game. My head's not in the game. I do not care what the hell is going on. I wanted to get out of that house as quickly as possible. Same. I was happy. It was kind of funny like hearing that Gina and Emily ended up ubering home and it was a $400 uber to get back to OC. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. Who's got the game again? I get it. No, no, no, no, it was Jen. It was Jen and Emily. Shannon's day. It's right. You said Gina. Oh, Jesus. It doesn't really hurt. It doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. I didn't do good cycle people out. I really would notice or care. So like that part was kind of funny. And yeah, I wanted to see what we were going to get. Like was Vicki going to come out of there on a fucking high going after people click, like actively kicking them out of the house.

13:27Like if you don't want to stay here, then don't stay here. Instead it was like more somber and like what is going on? Why are we watching this? This is bizarre. And I agree with you. This is the most pleasant that Shannon's be has been actually in like the last four or five years. And I even feel bad for her. Like now she's in an impossible position where she doesn't want to step on Vicki's toes. She clearly wants to leave. She feels uncomfortable, but she's not going to because she doesn't want Vicki to be upset, even more upset at her. So she stays and just kind of holds down the fork with the other two leave and I don't believe them. And that's kind of where we are. It's like, okay, well, you're not getting a funny scene out of this. Okay, we're not getting a cool, interesting scene where then Vicki's going to tell everybody what's going on. It's just like incredibly uncomfortable. You can cut all of the tension with a knife and we just move on. It's like, okay, now I know what we're going to do. And maybe I did do a little bit of projecting because I knew it. Stantly, we're just going to unpack this for the rest of the episode in different scenes. That's what we're going to get. And we're not going to get it anyway. To your point, it's making probably most viewers go, what's going on with Vicki?

14:29Mm-hmm. Like what's actually, is she good? Is everything okay? Because it doesn't seem good. And not in a reality TV way. It seems like something's going on that's a little bit deeper than the Michael of it all or drama amongst the cast. It just seems like she's not doing great. And I don't want to kick anyone while they're down. Like I'm not trying to pile on with that. It's just more so what's happening? Because now we're focused on that. And I'm actually glad that Tamara went and had the conversation so we can at least move forward with whatever's going on with Vicki at the end. But it shifts. It's no longer like a housewife show. And I was like, oh, this is a person. And yes, that's important. They'll get me wrong. But we're watching these shows for drama, fun, and entertainment. Instead we're getting a, is Vicki good? It's her return to reality TV. And she's old for two on shows. She doesn't seem like she's in a great spot on either show. Is everything okay?

15:30That's kind of a strange place to be with, you know, this heralded cast member coming back into the fold after a long time. The most 10-year-old housewife. You got the housewife, what you call it? Lifetime achievement award. That's what we were looking for. Now it's like not at all what we're getting. Yes, Shannon is, it's funny watching her do that. And it's funny that she, here's the thing. This is a great example. They're driving home from Vicki's in Likinta. The entire drive home. Shannon was holding Vicki's phone for her as she had conversations and sending emails. Show me that. That, if we're gonna, I would've been, I would've been funny. Yes, that, like if we're gonna keep forcing Vicki's job into this show, then show us the good moments of it. Watching her be like an assistant and I'm assuming panicking the entire time and mistyping the emails would've been fine.

16:31Like that's a funny scene instead. We just go back and now the first thing that we're gonna do when we get back is check in with Shannon Emily, Shane who is fucking pissed that Emily's home early. Oh God, welcome home. Okay, let's talk about Luke again. Let's talk about how much we hate each other again. All right, good talk. Talk to you tomorrow. Get divorced. Get divorced. Stop it. Yeah, that was even, and look, we already kind of set the tone for how uncomfortable the entire episode was gonna be that I think because we've done it so many times, I just rolled my eyes. Like Shane's sitting there kind of giddy, making fun of her because she's implying that she cleans her daughter's room and Shane says no, she actually cleaned it herself. And then we talk about who has clean rooms and who's good at it. Like that's just not interesting. But him just kind of like sticking it to her like over and over again. I don't really like Emily, but that made me very uncomfortable. I don't want to deal with that. Let's not do this. And we just dip our toe back into the water, which is let's talk about Luke's brain.

17:34Let's talk about what's going on. And like, yes, I think some of it to an extent is interesting because that is probably how you're living your day to day life. Not only does it only stunts you. But it's her only talking point, but the majority of it is you and Shane, it's so tough to get through a scene with the two of you. Like it's not fun and quirky. It's very much like you guys hate each other. I don't want to focus on that. I don't want to focus on Luke. I feel dirty being here. So we spend a lot of time with that. And it's very uncomfortable. And I don't really know where you go with that. Like if Emily wants to be the housewife of let me get involved in all of everybody else's shit and just kind of stir some things up, go ahead and do that. We've watched Jezelle do that on Potomac forever. She's very good at it. And she's able to like keep some of her home stuff like with her daughters. Very interesting. But it's not really like adding to the story. It's just like, oh, yeah, how are your daughters doing? It's cool. Let's go check in. Let's go back to doing what you do best. If Emily wants to do that, go ahead and do that. Don't force us to sit there and watch scenes with her and shame because it makes me very uncomfortable. Yes, that's it. Like they're not fun.

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25:47She has to slap on the... What? Yeah, I don't fucking get that. You need to talk about it. Oh yeah, the Playboy buddy gets pulled over so she used her looks to get out of it. They filmed a fucking TikTok. I don't know if everybody saw that, but there was a video filmed with them getting pulled over and then outside of the car and the cops were in it. It wasn't serious. Don't make it out to be like, oh, she's got two windows and it's all blacked out here. Her registration isn't even good. People fucking forget to re-register their car. Mine's probably, honestly, I am perpetually living in a world where maybe I didn't actually do my registration for my car. I don't know. I'll find out if I get pulled over, I guess. Exactly. I mean, people live like who cares? I didn't really care for the implication because that was just dirty. And then to be like, oh, I would go to jail and no, you wouldn't. You just wouldn't. You're a housewife of Orange County. Well, we're like one more county. Yeah, like the place gets fucking real. It's just so tone deaf and stupid. And the fact that I remember what she said verbatim because it pissed me off so much is

26:49part of what's wrong with the show. Yeah, it's a good point. But Carmella, Emily and Shannon are talking about all that stuff with Vicki. And once again, we are talking about Michael. Michael becomes the center of discussion for both conversations. And again, it's a lot of speculating on what's going on with them, what's going on with them. Is it the ring? Is it this? And then we get Carmella and Danny. Again, we know in real time that they broke up. If you're watching the show, you could probably guess they're going to break up now in a normal season of housewives. This would be a normal story like be like, okay, that she's dealing with that because stuff things going on. You have new B. Carmella, who we don't know. Danny, who we don't know, taking center stage. This is the number one issue that we have because the mic stuff, we can't verify.

27:51We've gotten rumors and we've literally watched housewives in their confessionals making up what they think is going on and taking that to the group and then having full blown discussions on made up predictions of what's actually happening. The only thing we do know in this entire season, this isn't a joke. In eight episodes of this show, our main storyline right now is Danny and Carmella. That's nuts. New housewife and her marriage or her relationship potentially falling apart should not be the center stage of a storied franchise on Bravo. That's ludicrous. Well, it's not going to be because we know the center stage is going to be what's going on with Vicki and is Michael a good dude. And we're again, just going to continue to make things up because Vicki won't say yes or no to anything. But yeah, the rest of them seem to be Carmella's centric. Heather chose Carmella over Gina. Gina's got a qualm with that. Emily seems to be co-zying up a little bit to Carmella, but I'm sure she'll probably

28:51pull the rug out. It's just, it's bizarre. It is a bizarre season and it doesn't seem to know which way it wants to go. It doesn't seem to want to hammer out any details for any of these storylines. We're just kind of glossing over a lot of things and seeing what fits. The problem is we're like 11 episodes into the season. Where are we going? We don't have a direction. It's Carmella and Danny and then Carmella and Vicki. And this whole thing of Vicki questioning is that really her house. She questioned Danny about that. It's like, oh, well, I talked to him for a while. They said they've been there for two years. Where's the rug? Where's this? Where's that? Carmella, again, like every time that she has to respond to any of this, she doesn't know where, I don't have any questions. No. It should be out of my house. It was supposed to be a six month rental. Shit got crazy. We've been there for 18 months. Okay. Yep. Yeah. That was much. Shannin goes to her professional. She's like, yeah, took me like two years to even get furniture in my house. So I've been there. I get it. Cool.

29:51There we go. A little sign off. Just a little thumbs up from Shannin. Yeah, that's a pretty normal story. Okay. Can we move forward? Like, yeah, we all think that having the Pilates machine in the entryway is bizarre. It does seem like maybe there's not a ton of space for something like that or maybe that's how they live. Maybe they don't even enter through that front door and they go through the back door. A lot of people do that too. Why are we still talking about this? That's my biggest problem. Like, there's not again, I think you hit the nail in the head within a normal housewife season where there's a lot going on. This could be a fun little side story like, oh, there's a weird beef developing between Vicki and the newbie because Vicki thinks that her house is weirdly decorated. Okay. That could be kind of fun. It's not fun in this because we're so desperate as an audience to just grasp onto something to talk about, to think about, to just kind of take some time away. Like I said in the beginning of the episode, like you use housewife episodes to kind of like space out for a little while and escape. But there's nothing to escape to. We've got nothing to talk about in this and it just brings us back. Like you said, too, is Vicki okay?

30:52What's going on there? I don't want to talk about that in a reality TV show. You can watch Secret Lives of More Men Wives if you want to and figure out Taylor Franky Paul's okay. If that's what you want to do to unwind and relax, go for it. You would actually probably like OC because we're making things up about Vicki's relationship. Go for it. The rest of it is nothing. Like nothing is hitting. It's just bizarre. Well, I think a big part, the more that we've talked about, it's kind of coming into focus. And we've pretty much said as much, but I haven't really put two and two together. Clearly the goal this season was to make it a Vicki centric season, which obviously bringing her back. But because she's not in a place to go back and forth, to respond to allegations, to respond to people talking shit, everything falls flat because that's what it all hinged on Vicki. We're trying to force these issues with Vicki. We're trying to get her center stage. We're trying to get her to do something. She's quite clearly not in a place to be able to do that right now. So there's nothing else.

31:52Now, they're scrambling, trying to figure out what else to do because everything that we do, Carmella and Vicki, Carmella can't go in Vicki because Vicki shuts down. Okay. Vicki and Mike, we can't press her about that because Vicki shuts down. There's no way forward because she's not in a place to be a housewife right now. As a spite wanting to come back and being on two shows. So as the production of OC is trying to figure out how to make this season turn, I think they all thought, oh, throw everything at Vicki. And now it's happening. Vicki's not responding. And they're like, oh, shit, what do we do now? Quick. Cut to Gina and Travis by the ocean, talking about their potential wedding. And then I have to sit there and listen to this made up conversation of, you know, maybe instead of a wedding, why don't we just invest in another business idea? Oh, yeah, which one? What are we doing next, guys? Like, stop it. Like, I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to make you guys out to be like a power couple and look. I'll give credit to Gina.

32:53I know you started out with not a lot. And I think you've done pretty well for yourself, at least to the point that you can discuss that a $3 million house could be doable, but you're not going to do it. Okay. Cool. So, I think you're going to have to talk about that. Take me to Heather and Terry to talk about their $14 million apartment. I don't want to talk about not being able to afford a $3 million house, but then the reveal comes of what the scene was actually about. Yeah. She got the ring. Oh, stop it. You stop it right now. Look at that thing. And it's real. Great. Congrats. Yeah. I don't need to hear about how you're financing your wedding because you already got married once. So it's not like my parents are going to fork over a bunch of money. You get married. You get, okay, cool. Great. Can we move on? Yeah, we can actually. We go to Heather renovating her apartment. Like, very fancy, very cool. We have talked about this before. She's been wanting to do this. She's starting to do it. It's very interesting to me that we're getting maxed an apartment, but also talking about

33:55renovating the room and how she's going to want it. That's, you know, not a good or a bad reference. We got another Pieda tear reference. Yeah, we might. Yep, we might just get that. So cool. We got it. You see, I know, but like, yeah, we might get that at some point. Like when we circle back and start talking about the apartment again, when we start going back and we start talking about the renovations again next season, that's what we have to look forward to. And again, completely fine. I'm able to compartmentalize and separate this and say, that is cool. I'm happy that Heather and Terry are doing this with their apartment, but it gets thrown into just such a weird episode with like nothing going on. It's like, I'm able to look at that and still have fun. But I know once we get back to the rest of the women, when we get back to Tamar and Vicki sitting down for a hard hitting conversation, I'm not going to care. I'm just not going to care anymore. I will say Terry looked great. I like the black on black on black. I thought he looked very dapper in that penthouse. And yeah, that, I mean, in a nutshell, like, yeah, that seems fun because we're talking about big money, beautiful penthouse in LA.

34:55Like awesome. Yeah. Kind of mean to Chuck's to pose that to like right on the heels of Gina talking about how they're going to finance their wedding. Right. Yes, for sure. But that's okay. I'm not that mad at it. But yeah, to your point of like the whole episode kind of being a jumbled mess because we get the Carmella and Danny, like their date night. And again, this falls under the, do we need to be watching this? Like this seems like there's a lot of trouble. This is like a broken relationship and it's like he's trying to get back and hurt good graces. She is hesitant to trust him again, but then we get more information and there's some shady deal with like a real estate agent and then she said, would you date her? She's like, nah, once Danny, Danny, you're not looking great, bud. And clearly it doesn't pan out as we know now. But like, I don't know. It's just not, it's not fun drama.

35:57It's like, it made me feel like I was at Vicki's again. Like that feeling of just like I shouldn't be here. Yeah. I mean, there was a little bit more of a preve knowing that they don't last because I mean, if you're watching this and you have no context, the question that would pop into my head, at least from like a TV watcher, is are we ever going to move on from this? Is every scene with you and Danny just going to be you talking about his ability and that you don't trust him anymore and that you're trying to give him trust, but he's not earning it right. And then he's uncomfortable because he's trying, but is he trying? Like, I don't want to do that. So I'm happy that you guys broke up because I mean, it seems like you needed to move on. But if you were telling us that you were actively working on it and we were seeing nice scenes with the two of you, I'd probably say, okay, cool. Like go ahead and do what makes you happy. But don't make us watch this. So at least knowing that they broke up, I'm like, okay, we won't have to watch this much longer. That's a good point. But then we get to Vicki and Tamra. That's the end of the episode. And this is Tamra asking what's going on.

36:59Like, hey, heard a lot about the other night in Lakinta. Didn't sound great. What's up? What's happening? And again, Vicki taking the stance of this falls under like the quiet game thing and all of that. She's like, I said, I'm sorry. Like, I'm moving on. It's like, that's not how it works. That's how it works. That's quite good. You know what's the house vibes. And it's just Tamra trying to figure out if she's okay. And it gets deep. And we're talking about what this scene at least does. And that's only because we're also watching Ultimate Girls Trip. And we've also seen this Vicki for this entire season. You do get insight as to what's going on. Quite clearly she has some life regrets. And she's looking back on her life. I think she's looking at her age and she's always been afraid of death. She's always talked about it. So now she's a little bit older. She's looking at everything. And I don't think she loves it. I think that she's bummed out that her kids are far away.

37:59I think she's quite clearly bummed out about leaving Chicago, leaving Don. And she's thinking about what life could have been. We're watching a woman go through. I'm not going to call it a crisis, but we're watching her go through a very difficult moment in her life in which she's rethinking whether or not she made the right decisions. I'm not saying there's not a time and place for this on house vibes. I actually think that could be a very powerful scene. I think that this storyline with Vicki could probably hit a lot of people right in the heart. We're like, Oh, shit. I've had those moments and I think that's okay. But when you don't have anything going on and we're already concerned about Vicki and you don't have anything to bounce this off of because there's nothing fun happening again to go full circle as to what we're talking about the beginning of the episode. All we do is sit and watch the show and go is Vicki good? Like is she okay? Should she be on TV right now? Because I think she needs to go figure out her shit and that's fine. But she's also supposed to be a headlining to show simultaneously.

39:04So obviously from Vicki's standpoint, you're not going to say no to being back on TV. Like I understand what she's doing, but at the same time because this show and this cast is incapable of simply fun or being interesting, we watch a bunch of bullshit that has nothing to do with anything substantial that has nothing to do with previous episodes that has to do with made up rumors about Mike and Vicki that has to do with Carmella and her house and her boyfriend that we don't know. And then this and that's the show right now that I don't even care if you like said shit. That's not an entertaining season of anything. Nobody wants to watch that and that's bad structure. It's a bad cast. It's bad planning. It's just all around top to bottom, shoddy work at best. And that's just right. And it's very clear that all they did was just say, all right, there's the beacon of light. Let's just bring Vicki back and we'll see what we have and not make any other changes.

40:05We'll throw Carmella into the mix. She's been the most interesting cast mate of this whole show and it's it could simply just be she's new. Let's see what's going on. Let's get interested in her life. I don't even know if she's interesting because the rest of the cast and the rest of the storylines are just so boring that it's like, okay, it's new information at least. But like you said, we don't know her boyfriend. We don't know anything about it. She's been trying to tell us I just maybe we don't care. And that's probably just for the rest of the cast and for the rest of the show. And it's like, I guess we'll throw that in there and see how it goes. But it's not working and it didn't work. So it's just tough to do tough to watch. And this is by far it away. The best example of a show that needs a good pause. Yeah. New Jersey, they're slowly figuring things out. They're filming. It seems like everything's okay. And we might get something good out of that. You pause my amy. Don't even get me started. We already talked about that with Old MacGirls trip. Atlanta bounce back nicely. Yeah. Atlanta bounce back nicely. And I know that was like more of a mini pause, but they still restructure the majority

41:07of that cast and tried to see what worked and it worked. Do it with OC. I don't care what the rating say. I don't care what the numbers say. It's such a bad product. There's nothing going on. There is no projection that tells me like we're going to be okay in the future if you just do this and this. We can't even play that game. Like the answer is, pause it. Let them know you're pausing it and let them rework it. And maybe you can come back, but you still have to get rid of Gina and Emily or at least Emily. And then see what you have. There's no other way around this. You can't keep throwing this out every year. The last season of Jersey was better than this. I know. That was a terrible season. Yeah. And that was better than this because at least they were trying shit. Yeah. And it was the same stuff. But at least they were doing something. This is just. I would take March over this season of OC by far. Junior or senior? Both. Hell yeah. Let's see what the audience has to say.

42:09From Liv Bender, if season 21 is forced on us, I just hope it's Carmella wrestling the women for one hour weekly. Yeah. Ryan's coming a three. Are you guys enjoying this half episode city then on to the next one? Focus one hour straight per city. I think I've got to run. Oh, it's a big girl's trip. No, that's the acid. I'll know. See. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a good point. No, I'm not really enjoying that. I do think that we should just go one hour straight per city. I agree. Yeah. From 77 Care Bear 44. I asked again last week. So I'm going to ask again. Is Vicki okay? Seriously, she lost her shit over nothing. All signs point to no. She's not doing great. What's going on? This show is not doing great. Kind of KC 84. This is a two for why are we talking or sorry why are we watching housewives talk about Venmo requests $450 ride shares and not being able to buy a three million dollar house fire

43:11them and make a show of headers and Carmella. Yes. Yes. Heathers. I like the plural headers. Yeah. More headers. Good. From J. Somalowski 26. OC reboot idea. Keep Carmella ditch the rest. Bring in Lacey from the Valley and her friends. I don't know if Lacey has friends in her. I don't know. She has friends either. But that's definitely a plug and play option is to bring Lacey and Lacey and Carmella on a cast together. I already like that better than this. So that's not a bad idea. I kind of like that. From this car like H top. Yep. Well, yeah, that's the way. Not a question, but gosh, I'm disappointed. You guys are doing great covering though. We are slowly losing our sanity. Yep. Here we go. I'll read that at the end. That's a great point. Angel Renee. I'll read that later. But from just 516, not a question, but or whatever made me LOL.

44:12I'm still watching in solidarity. Thank you. Joining us in our misery. It means a lot. Yeah. Lindsey Bucks, if I hear Emily say Victoria one more time, I swear to God, it doesn't even face me anymore. I just don't care. I've lost my mind. I was unfazed until I heard that Gina's trying to be part of the cool kids and saying that that kind of sent me over the edge a little bit. Not going to lie. Yeah, that's tough. From out of office mama, do you think this season has been more tolerable than last few? I don't know. I mean, I don't think so. Maybe tolerable is a tough word to throw around. Very objective word. It's quickly lumping into the past 5 years of OC have been terrible. I think it's hard for us to separate and look at one season because they kind of blend together and just what the fuck are we watching. And this one seems like such a desperate attempt to just plug and play in OG with Vicki

45:13and she wasn't ready for it and everything's falling apart as a result. So I don't know. This one personally is like my least favorite one that we've done and that's saying a lot, but I think that's why. Yeah. You got that last one ready to go? Yeah. Because I think this would actually make it better for everybody. Me and our audience. Angel Renee says, Shooter, please do a drunk OC episode. I think they're going to have to make that happen. I don't know. I don't know if I have any interest in doing it for this. That's just it's so bad. It might go the other way guys. It might be like a sad drunk and then like you won't have fun. Shooter's very rarely sad drunk. He's usually boy stress and fun. That might take a weird shift. Yeah. I don't know if we want to risk that one. It'd be messy potentially. Thanks for doing it more. But I'll work on them guys.

46:14If we can maybe schedule it for like a Sunday afternoon after a bird's game or something I might be able to sway them. I'll start working on it. Possibly. Yeah, I'll see. But yeah, just a big bag of shit this show is, huh? Oh, yeah. Big time. Well, that's all I got. Got anything else? Nope. All good here. That's our show. A prop, bro. Is there out of here? Every mile matters. Whether you're driving your dream car or your daily commuter. The mobile one team knows that. It's why we created mobile one advanced clean motor oil. It cleans your engine in one oil change and helps extend engine life, delivering performance, protection and cleanliness for vehicles of all ages. All to help keep your engine running like new. Whatever you're driving, visit mobile one dot com slash advanced clean to learn more. From the parents behind law and order, comes a mystery the whole family can enjoy.

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