FKN Classics Double Feature! Phoenix Aurelius - Dark Magick | Adam Farris - Nephilim

0:00I started or not in 2013 and we make bike apparel. The best part of Shopify for me is our ability to run the business as essentially non-technical people. We're able to admin everything on the back end, front end, and sell things online easily. If Shopify were a bike accessory, I think it would actually be the bicycle. It's the thing that you do the thing on. We run the business on Shopify. Start your free trial on Shopify.com. Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today, I want to welcome back to the show Phoenix Aurelius. He is a philosopher, alchemist, spigerist, agriculturalist, teacher, and the founder of the Phoenix Aurelius Research Academy. Phoenix, welcome back. How you doing? Hey, thanks so much for having me again. Yeah, I'm doing great. How about you, man? Excellent. Really looking forward to our discussion. Today, we're going to be exploring the darker side of magic, curses, hexes, dark entities,

1:04and even possessions. Having guests like yourself over many years exploring these topics with the limited understanding I have, I do understand that magic is a tool and that your intention behind it will have a powerful effect on the outcome. Now that being said, there are most likely many individuals and groups that utilize magic for not so good purposes, which we'll be discussing a little bit today and some of the rabbit holes that can branch off from there. But it's been a while since you've been on. Remind the audience just a little bit about yourself and let them know where they can find you. Cool. Thank you. Yeah, I am a practicing alchemist and esotericist. I run the Phoenix Aurelius Research Academy. You can find my work at phoenixraileus.org. It's really quite broad in terms of the things that we research and what we do because we pick up paracelsian kind of ideas which kind of are a multi-dimensional approach to health

2:06and wellness. And so everything from things that affect the spirit and things that affect the soul to things that affect the body are all kind of incorporated inside of this kind of system of medicine. And because there had been so many different adaptations to the work that paracelsis has had, and just over the 500 or so years since he's been dead, we've actually started calling the entire corpus of medicine that we're reconstructing or Rayleigh in medicine because it kind of goes into all of the things that we have found and other things that have been discovered since the time of paracelsis. It wouldn't do paracelsis justice to call what we're doing paracelsian medicine anymore because there have been so many more additions to it. Right on, right as a reduction. Now as it relates to what we're going to be getting into today, would you say that you've noticed an increase in the more darker practices of magic? Yeah, definitely. So you know, here in the United States we kind of have to like look at different time

3:11periods in order to really understand influx of magic and specifically of darker magical practices. You know, it became very, very popular in the late 1970s and early 1980s to get into the works of like Alistair Crowley, for instance, which some of the works that Crowley has are not really necessarily that dark, but then many others are because they're just self-fulfilling. You know, a huge part of the law of Delama, do what that wills will be the whole of the law. A lot of people follow that part and not always taking into consideration the latter half of that, which is love is the law of love under will. So with that being said, a lot of people tend to do things that are very self-serving and to put themselves into certain situations. And this began to be very, very popular in the late 70s, especially, you know, we even had artists like Led Zeppelin who were getting very much so into Crowley's work and had even

4:13purchased and recorded in Crowley's house in Scotland and some crazy heinous things have happened in that house, you know, in the exploration of magical prowess. But in the 1980s here in the United States, we went through this entire period called the Satanic Panic and this was really because of a surge of popularity of Leveye-style Satanism, which, you know, Leveye even says that in his cosmology Satan as an entity does not necessarily exist, but Satanism instead is a grandization of the desires of the self. And even inside of that book, he ends up telling people that, you know, ultimately, you're going to have to guide yourself by your own system of ethics. You know, I think it was either him or other folks that I was in that vein of for a while that ended up saying that morals are overrated, but ethics are absolutely necessary. And when somebody steps over their own ethical boundaries in order to aggrandize their own

5:14sense of self power, this is really where you step over the line and in the context of using magic. This is where you step over the line of performing what would otherwise be neutral magic or healing magic or white magic or any of these other kind of labels of people to place on things. And you start stepping into the darker aspects of things, which is all about aggrandization of the self and aggrandization of what it is that you want regardless of whether or not it's ethical, whether or not it's really useful or whatever. And I think that, you know, ethical practitioners ultimately come to the concept that, you know, I wouldn't want to steal from local stores. Why? Well, because that's not just going to hurt the store that's going to increase prices for everyone. It's going to hurt the community when the community is hurt. That also hurts you yourself. So what goes around comes around. You start to notice these patterns of karma. If you're aware of what you're doing over time and the same is true with the paths of

6:16left-hand tantra, you know, from the Indian or the Vedic type of perspective, it's the exact same thing. You begin to notice that no matter what you do, if you're really aware of it, you begin to see these kind of cycles of karma or these cycles of doing is really what a karma means that end up impacting us negatively if we're putting negative or self-serving energy out there. And so, yeah, that's kind of a big part of it. But in the 1980s, we had a huge satanic panic type of thing where Christians were very up in arms about people practicing satanism and, you know, there's a lot of people, even Crowley himself, delighted when people would call him the beast. And he often referred to himself as that. He just got such a kick out of that. And, you know, there's a lot of people that are out there with that same type of underdeveloped. It's like a heavily emotionally traumatized soul that ends up compensating for that by feeling that they can turn to a cult or unseen powers to gain leverage over other people

7:23or over society. And they use it in a very petty way, typically. So that would be mostly black magic. Yes, it's definitely on the rise. Why? Because the traumas are on the rise. The more traumatized an individual is, the more self-serving they become out of a natural state of preservation. And there are many people to whom unseen forces, whether those be entities or whether those be using a cult knowledge, or it's going to appeal to them to help to fill in these holes that they otherwise have as a result of all of this trauma. Or at least that's my own particular stance in taking it. Right on. Since this is in part a conspiracy show, I'd love to get your thoughts on how much of this reemergence of dark practices could be linked to clandestine groups that are intentionally attempting to create culture and steer us in certain ways.

8:23The CIA was involved with Hollywood in our music industry to do just that, to steer society in a certain direction. But we also know that with MK Ultron, a lot of these other dark operations that there was some occult ritualistic aspects involved. So I'm wondering how much of what we're experiencing has been somewhat intentional. Well, yeah, very much so it's been intentional. The CIA themselves actually admit to exactly what you were talking about. There are plenty of declassified documents, not just around MK Ultron program, but also around their involvement in major motion pictures and other things. They still say that if there are major motion pictures that are going to kind of display any sort of events on a world stage that the CIA must be involved in order to kind of help to dictate that narrative. So yeah, they even agree that that's exactly what they're doing.

9:24Now, here's what most people don't realize is that most magic is really extremely, extremely common stuff that happens every day that people just have not looked at it under the lens as actually being magic. For instance, every time that you repeat something to yourself, you're performing a form of magic that is actually entraining the mind because the mind works with the system of variables. If you restrict your actions and your thoughts to a system of variables that are very narrow, then the likelihood of those things that are very narrow actually ending up happening or occurring is extremely high. And that's what a good magician of any sort will do is try to restrict all other variables by living life as a ritual to get to a point where what it is that they're looking at manifesting is essentially just a common reality because you've eliminated all other possibilities or all other potentials based on the way that you're channeling your own energy and your

10:25own behaviors and actions. But what that also means is that if you're sitting down and watching TV every day and you're listening to commercials every day, those are the things that you are hearing on repeat. If you're listening to the radio, if you're listening to the same songs, if you're listening to whatever, and especially if you're singing along to them, and especially if you're singing along to it or repeating it or recalling it somewhat mindlessly, those things actually put the brain into particular wavelengths and states of hypnosis that are used by ceremonial magicians and even folk magic practitioners in certain trance environments in order to program the brain in order to attain those particular desired states of consciousness. Now when people are doing this unconsciously as a result of commercial songs, etc., movie lines, whatever else, they think that what they're doing is actually connecting to the movie, connecting to maybe even the actors in it, connecting to the idea or the broader kind of

11:28evergore of that movie, but realistically those things were very, very deliberately engineered in order to create addictions that keep you coming back to those things. When people see, for instance, the dark sides or the esoteric sides of things, the occult, just in general has a lot of sex appeal because anything that you don't really know about, you can project your own fears, your own desires, your own whatever upon those things, and if it's not well-known, you have carte blanche to kind of talk about these types of things without people saying, hey, bullshit, that's not actually real. There are a ton of people out there that actually do those types of things and put out and propagate a ton of ridiculous nonsense around it as well, but there are the actual forces in play, the occult forces in play that are really laws, and they can be used, a law

12:35is just a law, it can be used one way or it can be used another way, really the law doesn't care, it's just there is a law to be used, it really, like you kind of opened up with, the pens on the intention of the person and what it is that they're looking at doing, and as it comes down to, you know, the CIA, as it comes down to larger governmental audiences, as it comes down to the world stage, for instance, there is a lot of occult practice being used in, unless somebody has really gone full-in, especially to the ceremonial magic path, and taking a look at various esoteric organizations and been involved in them, and take a look at the secret orders that get formed, you know, we call them like orders within orders, and it's essentially like, you may go to blue lodge of free mason's, you may be a free mason, free masonry itself is actually really awesome, it's a bunch of men getting together and trying to better the world by a deeper understanding, guiding their brothers and other things

13:35like that. A lot of people are just going to be there in order to meet other people who are interested in similar veins, they end up breaking off and kind of having their own, say, Tuesday night meetings or, you know, Wednesday night meetings or whatever, where they're focusing more, say, on, you know, more darker aspects or self-serving aspects or practicing sex magic or whatever else the case is, and you get some people doing some really heinous different types of magic as well, you know, more in line with kind of like Babylonian sex magic and slave magic and money magic and other things like that that are more predatory. So I think that really it's just like coming to know what the esoteric laws are and then getting to know people and their traumas because that will almost always give you a clear indication of how they're going to channel that muse or that magic if they don't process

14:36that trauma or if they're not interested in processing that trauma, but instead reacting from a place of trying to overcompensate for whatever it is that they lack initially, which is usually power, you know, a sense of fame, different types of things like that. As it relates to the darker practices that we're seeing now during our modern times, I'm sure a lot of it has to do also with the access of information. There's a lot more younger people dabbling in some of these occult magical practices, but what are some of the things that you've noticed that are resurging during this time? Yeah, totally. Well, I think the big thing is that Wicca has kind of evolved in this really interesting way. From 1950s until today, there's been a lot of kind of de-characterization of the original tenets of Wicca, which was first due, you know, harm.

15:38And now these days, that's not really a thing. If you go on to the, you know, Instagram and TikTok, which is pages and stuff like that, and you take a look at it, they commonly have memes that are like me when I first got into magic, and it's like somebody, you know, praying for healing and casting spells for healing and rejuvenation, you know, better sleep and, you know, very innocent things. And then after a while, the next section of that meme will be like a woman dressed in black with like eye-adverled in the back of her head doing, you know, weird summoning magic in order to cast entities upon the enemies of that individual and other things like that. And you'll see very frequently memes that are very much so like that. You'll also read a lot of things where people are talking about stuff like that. Pershing, hexing, jinx's psychic attack, the evil eye, different things like that are definitely far more prevalent now than I think I've ever seen them ever before. And I've been tracking these things for over 20 years.

16:41So I think a lot of it too is that Christianity in a lot of its capacity has lost its appeal and stopped speaking to the younger audiences in a lot of ways. And so as they do that, they start turning towards what they would refer to as like the old ways. And you get into, you know, without having a very good historical context of really what the old ways are because, you know, Wicca is not the old ways. Wicca is like 1950s ways. Okay, it's about as old as your grandpa, maybe as old as your father, whatever. It's not, it's really not that old. But they end up getting into these types of things, thinking that these are older ways and serving, you know, other gods or other entities. A lot of people don't really know what they're doing or what entities are. Many people still have the perspective that entities that they would refer to as gods are

17:44actually gods. And I would have to disagree with that. And in fact, all of the esoteric knowledge that we have from the 19th century, a court revival onwards and even somewhat before that, even going back to the 1700s, you know, the 18th century. We can see that that viewpoint of actually worshiping gods was not really that common, even when we're assuming a god form, what we're doing is connecting with the aspect of our psyche that is connected to that, acting like attuning fork and taking that on in order to accomplish a very particular task. We are not actually communicating with an outside entity. And the reason is that if you contact an outside entity, that entity could be any number of beings. And usually when you pray to these different types of beings, they are just astral tricksters who would love the opportunity to actually inhabit and possess your body because most entities, in fact, our definition at the research academy here of an entity is any electromagnetic

18:48signature that is aware of itself. And so many of these entities are just electromagnetic signatures. They would do absolutely anything to have the complexity of the piezoelectric, fascial system, the bio photon system, all of the different amazing electromagnetic technologies that come inherently built into the human multidimensional organism and to be able to utilize that as a food source. And so many interdimensional entities and demons and other things, they pray on different emotional states or different resonance of thought. And so they can manipulate the neurological and or end in doctorate and doctorate the logical systems of the body in order to produce stress hormones or states of fear or states of like not well-being, you know, feeling really shitty and things like this. Because that is the type of food stuff that they have, they end up farming us very much so the same way that we end up farming, you know, say pigs or cattle or other things

19:51for their produce. And eventually we, you know, when we pray to these other entities, the people on the other end of the phone, you can't see them usually, but they're responding and they will do things to help you earn your trust, especially initially. And then by the time that they've got you on lockdown, you're basically just being manipulated all the time. And that is where the real danger really begins. And so I think that a lot of it actually starts with a lot of the non-historical pagan groups in the modern day that are trying to return back to what they think are the old ways, but not doing it in a way where they understand that they are the gods entirely and that every aspect of the brain actually contains various aspects of these godlike qualities. And it's not just the brain too, it's just the dynamic human soul which extends beyond the brain, but all of that really needs to be understood contextually and historically

20:57in order for people not to just go off and do stupid things like praying to other entities and feeling like, oh, they're definitely real because I asked for this and this thing happened just about any entity capable of electromagnetic manipulation is capable of doing those types of things for you, but whether or not you're actually getting the result that you want, which is a greater spiritual evolution. That's what we really need to be looking at. And instead, I see a lot of spiritual de-evolution or degradation inside of our society these days as opposed to seeing a lot of spiritual evolution and growth. Probably also has a lot to do with them not taking care of childhood trauma or trauma in general and still having these negative emotional states and thoughts and then getting involved with this stuff and still being in that state combined with a shitty education about magic in general, it's a recipe for disaster, I would think.

22:00Perfect storm, perfect storm, yeah. And it really does, I know so many people like to kind of poo poo and look over that, but it really does go back to our chorus traumas. And if we're not taking a look at what these core traumas are and actually trying to address them and move past them, they remain one of our weak spots always. And everything that we do, whether it's in our love life and our personal relationships or business relationships or whatever else, it's constantly looking to kind of gloss over the emotional trauma and make it feel placated without ever actually addressing it. And in the past, a lot of people use drugs and alcohol and of course there's still plenty of drugs and alcohol out there, but the trend of using drugs and alcohol, especially among younger people is going way down. So people aren't getting out of their bodies so much in the ways that they used to during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s.

23:01A lot of this now is people actually just doing really stupid things out of desperation or out of some hope to gain character without building character. And I think that it's really important that people realize that in life, whether we're talking about the soul, the spirit or the body, there really are no shortcuts that you just put in the work and what you develop is yours and can't be taken away from you, whereas what you get from other entities or from magic is oftentimes very fleeting and causes you to keep coming back to that source that makes you feel like you have that power, which actually keeps you a slave. If you have to keep coming back to a master to imbue you with a property, then that's very much so a slave type of relationship. I'd like to explore a little deeper some of the darker practices that you mentioned earlier that are somewhat having a resurgence like curses, hexes, jinxes, spells, maybe go

24:03through these and give us the differences and help us understand what these are really are. Sure. Yeah, so there are somewhat different schools of thought around this, but at the Phoenix Realized Research Academy, what we do is we try and take all of the data that we can and then we subject it to intrinsic data field investigations and then also pull up historical cases and try to create the most consistent definitions that we possibly can. So that's where my own particular definitions are going to come from here. With that being said, curses, they can definitely be combined with a ritual component, although not usually a curse, is something as simple as you thinking about somebody or holding the idea of somebody in your mind while you literally curse them out. It could be as simple as saying like, at that person they really suck or it could be really something like, I hope they die or I hope they get hit in the head with a baseball or

25:08whatever the case is. Those are the types of things that categorized as curses and so they can definitely have ritualistic components. They can definitely be combined with various moodras like the crooked finger. They can be combined with many other things, but usually curses when we look at that from an Aralien Medicine perspective are not usually sent by high level practitioners are sent by everyday people who are thinking of you who you have done people wrong or they perceive that they've done you wrong and then they're trying to use some sort of invisible or esoteric wavelength to be able to retell. What kind of effects would that have on someone? Yeah, well, it can have a wide range of different effects depending on the severity of the curse and what the intention of the curse was. So if somebody says, you know, f that person, probably not a whole lot, right? I mean, you may or may not actually really get that much, but if somebody is specifically

26:12throwing a curse at you and using any sort of level of ritual with it in order to enhance its magnetic capacity, then that could even lead to severe sickness. It could lead to being bedridden. It could lead to getting an accident and things like that. Although at that point, when we talk about accidents and not just some negative form of magic actually hitting you, now we're kind of blurring the line between where a curse ends and where a jinx begins. And so, yeah, we'll get into that here in a minute. But yeah, so curses can have all sorts of different types of impacts on us. And from a health perspective, what it does is it always causes the soul to shine less brightly. So the soul in, or really in terminology and just within broader paracelsian and alchemical lens is the aspect of us that is all of our personality, the way that we come across.

27:15It's our entire psyche. In fact, the Greek word seek it means soul. And that's where we get our word for psyche. It's spelled exactly the same way. So essentially our soul needs to be, have a certain level of brilliance to it in order to really manifest or in order for us to attain any sort of level of individuation. And the less individuation that we have, the more monotonous we become and the more just part of a group that we are and the less individual that we express ourselves as, less unique we are. So curses will always diminish the brightness of the soul regardless of how intense they are. But like I said, some of them can actually make you very, very sick and very, very ill or have very heinous things that end up happening to you. So that would be a first. Right. What about hexes? Yeah. So hexes are almost always a high level practitioner, at least a decently praying,

28:21a decently trained magical practitioner that is utilizing some sort of ritual component on you in order to hex you. And a hex is very much so like a curse, but it always has some sort of retaliation type of component like you did this to me or you made me feel like this. And therefore I make you feel ten times worse. And there's almost always an order of magnitude of difference between the perceived offense towards the magical practitioner and the way that they choose to retaliate. So it's not just like, you know, you hurt me and so I want to hurt. Same exact level. That's usually not what ends up happening. It's like you pulled me over and gave me a ticket. So now I'm going to hex you so badly that you will lose your first born son or your first born child. You will, you know, it's like orders of magnitude of difference. And this, this again comes from most individuals that it's like, oh, you want to fuck with

29:26me, huh? Well, then let me show you what I'm capable of type of stuff. And they'll use any sort of unseen advantage that they can gain over people in order to exact some form of justice or some self perceived sense of justice no matter how skewed it is. Hexas almost always have some sort of spell work component to them. So they oftentimes will, at the very least, use a rhyme scheme inside of there very frequently, though, we will also see some sort of ritual component. So like bindings and other different types of things in order to prevent people from hurting you and other things like that. We will oftentimes see, you know, cord wrapping or other, you know, the use of dolls even a sympathetic magic with the use of dolls and pins or fire or whatever else. And so these can be very, very, very, very damaging to individuals and they end up creating extreme pains. They end up creating entire, you know, like life falling apart, different types of effects

30:35on people. Generally, if somebody tests very high when we perform an intake on Hexas, they're a story of, like, their health symptoms or other things is like, it wasn't just health it was like, they lost, you know, they lost a family member and then they lost another family member and then they lost their dog and then they lost other things. And it just like completely, emotionally shattered them to the point where they're at a state of psychosis now. And it just kind of perpetuated perpetuated perpetuated. Those are the types of things that we see with Hexas is like severe, severe problems that that end up occurring. So that's that's that's that. I don't know. Well, you mentioned spells. Is it necessary that they have a component of rhyming in order to work? No. No. No. So historically, when we go into rhyme scheme, when we go into the use of meter, which

31:37is a poetic type of tool that is used, various different cultures, various different languages have all different sorts of meters. And of course, you know, most people, when they hear about meter and in the English language, if they even remember it at all, they would go back to Shakespeare and the use of Iambic pentameter, for instance, right? Well, most of the spells that you see are really, really poorly done and they rhyme extremely poorly and it's just like ultra simple type of rhyme scheme. That is not actually necessary, but that that is a type of spell known as an incantation. And an incantation typically has meter with it, which is what makes it a can't or a shant or a shanty or a song. It has a type of meter to it and oftentimes we'll have some sort of rhyme scheme accompanying it. Most people are not high enough level practitioners to perform very good incantations these days.

32:41There are only a couple of groups that I know of that really work with incantations and primarily they're not the ones that are going to be casting negative or harmful spells on people either. Typically modern day druids, especially of the Welsh and of the Irish reconstructionist version, go back into the literature of what we have as an extant literature from the Bards in order to understand the different types of rhyme schemes that were used during the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age periods and then being able to try and reconstruct these or even translate them into English without losing too much of those rhyme schemes. So spells themselves are usually just written out and that's why it's considered a spell and incantation is something that usually has a rhyme scheme to it or some form of meter and there are other different types of spells too. So for instance, a lot of people when they try to manifest money they might say something

33:44like light a candle and be like, please let it be that money comes to me three by three. That's what I mean. I mean like incredibly stupid or rhyme schemes that you get. But again, the rhyme scheme isn't necessarily as important as how the practitioner feels about it because if the practitioner feels that that was a really potent work for them, then they may actually get really potent results. So the the body of the spell or the body of the incantation is actually somewhat less important than the way that that action that's that scheme that by made the practitioner feel because at the end of the day what we're trying to do with magic is to take a thought or an image and couple it with an emotion in order to create a feeling. The stronger the feeling is, the stronger the particular magical working is going to be,

34:46everything else is really just there as either a sympathetic magic or as something that is a ritual to work the person into a state of mind where that feeling is very, very strong and concentrated. You mentioned jinxes. What's the difference with jinxes? Yeah, so jinxes are a very, very interesting thing and they are extremely common in Pan African tradition. So Santoria, Voodoo, who do, oboeia, different types of traditions like this. The jinxes basically where everything that you try to do just goes wrong. So let's say that you're at work and you're up for a promotion. Somebody casts a jinx on you. Not only are you going to not get that promotion but you're probably also going to get fired. And then on your way home from getting fired you're probably going to get into a small wreck and then not only are you going to get into a small wreck but maybe your vehicle registration just barely expired or something and so you get a ticket for that.

35:48And then not only do you get a ticket for that but then something else happens. It's usually a chain where absolutely nothing will go right for you. And so there are some crossovers, of course, between curses and hexes but with jinxes we particularly see that things are not going right and that you're constantly losing despite doing things the right way despite building up your spiritual energy and your discipline to be able to attain those things. It's like something somewhat otherworldly seems to be impacting you negatively over and over and over to drive things in an opposite direction than what you would, you know, what is even ideal for your survival. And so like I mentioned, jinxes are usually done with some sort of stipulation but not always. So the stipulation would be until this person recognizes and apologizes for the, you know, troubles that they cause me or until they pay me back for the problems that they

36:49cause me, then everything will go wrong for that person. The trick is is that in the past with jinxes, especially in African traditions, you were meant to contact the individual and tell them how they had wronged you and what they need to do in order to make it right with you. In modern day, there is no such chivalry involved. It is, you just cast a jinx on somebody and they don't know the contingent stipulation that goes along with it and so how could they ever possibly break it or how could they even know who it was that they harmed and a lot of people that get into these different types of, you know, pan-African traditions and of course, jinxes do exist and other types of magic, especially the tie-acult is really big in jinxes as well. So it exists all over the world, but usually there is some sort of cultural understanding that you are supposed to let that person know that they hurt you and how they hurt you and what they need to do in order to break it and then you perform the spell or you hire

37:52the person to perform that jinx or whatever for you. And these days we really don't have that. That nobody is letting you know, hey, it was me who is doing this for one and here is why I am doing it. So it becomes particularly difficult for a lot of people to even know that they are jinxed, but the tell-tell characteristic would be everything in your life continues to fall apart in a way that seems completely like I mentioned earlier, completely other world. Something else you have in your talking points along those lines are psychic attacks. What would be the difference between that and what we are just discussing? Yeah, so psychic attack uses more of just the psychic nature of things. There is not really any sort of ritual to it. There is not really any sort of sympathetic magic kind of going on. So a psychic attack is where somebody might just think of you and see terrible things happening

38:52to you and they are capable of looking at that with such an intensity that they can actually cast that upon your intrinsic data field as an individual. And so you end up carrying around all of this really negative information in your informational field about bad things happening to you or getting really ill or other different types of things like that. As you can see, a lot of these share a common thread in that they are often designed to hurt or to harm another individual. There is some sort of negative, harmful, malicious, malevolent, ambivalent or evil aspect to it. But psychic attack more often than not is not done by high-level practitioners who have studied, let's say, remote viewing and various different psychic arts. They are oftentimes just done by people who are very psychically gifted, who may not understand the scope of their powers. They feel slighted, hurt, abused, whatever by a particular individual. And then they end up just like, you know, involutionarily viewing that person as bad things

39:54happening to them and they may not even really truly understand what the scope of their impact actually is. But they are constantly sending that information to the individual that they are focusing on. So it's definitely a form of a magical prowess that ends up having negative effects on the individual, but not necessarily with a ritual component. Right. Now, I definitely want to get to how we can protect ourselves from all these dark practices. But first, I want to get deeper into entities, how they affect us and to the extent of how they can infiltrate our consciousness up to what people understand as possession. Cool. Yeah, this is a really great thing. So within the Arrayian kind of philosophy, we have three different types of entities that, you know, if we were to like really separate them out, that we need to take a look at.

40:55The first and probably the most common and most commonly misunderstood as well are demons. And demons are a particular classification of interdimensional entities, meaning that they can move in between dimensions, but their interface with us, like most entities, is through the electromagnetic interface. And humans being very multi-dimensional. Of course, we have physical bodies, but we also have electromagnetism running through us. And this is what we refer to as the astral body or the astral dimension, anything where thoughts and emotions are really active is what we would define as the astral, anything that is electromagnetic is also the way that we would define the astral. So demons are a particular classification of entities that particularly feed on fear and deprivation. So the more the more that a person buys into a state of fear, that is kind of like, you know, when we talk about viruses from a virology perspective, they talk about these entry

41:58mechanisms. Well, the entry mechanism for demons is definitely fear. And so they will do anything that they can to perpetuate or to a grandize a sense of fear in the individual because then they can make their way into the individual. And again, they're just there to try and find food stuff. They're just farming. They're just particular types of entities. I can't particularly say that they're good or evil. I don't really view things in those non-dual ways. It's just that from a conventional perspective, you could say, oh, wow, that looks like a real evil entity. But again, that's just their perspective of life and of existence is that they feed on fear. And so they have to perpetuate fear. In some cases, it's abundantly available in certain locations like hospitals, graveyards, different types of areas where people have said, like, oh, wow, I picked up a demonic entity

42:58when I was doing this thing in these locations. And so various different types of areas that are prone to fear and pain and suffering are going to have disproportionately higher levels of these entities because there's an abundance of that food stuff for them. They have an abundance of their material to eat. So yeah, demons though are not as tricky as the Christian mythologies want them to appear. Oftentimes, Christianity ends up using forms of exorcism that call upon the Christ. And in my experience, that pisses demons off more actually than it does get rid of them. And in fact, even if you take a look at the Roman Catholic Church and their exorcist rituals and rights, one of the things that they also acknowledge is that an exorcism should only ever be done if it is absolutely mandatory and falls within these particular criteria.

44:03Now, there are some broke priests and other denominations that will go out and still perform the Latin forms of exorcism. But the reason why they do that and why they say that it needs to be done under these particular criteria is that those are the criteria that that particular form of exorcism is going to work for. Everything else is probably just going to piss it off. And realistically, you can only go so far with demonology within a Christian context before you realize that most of what it is that they're doing, saying, praying, blessings, all these other things are not very effective because the demonic activity, though it may subside for a short period of time, usually comes back with the vengeance. And anybody who's watched, like, you know, even silly shows like Ghost Adventures or other things like that will know that whenever they bring people in who do these things and then they kind of follow up with the people, they're like, yeah, it was good for a period of time and then it got really bad thereafter. That happens very frequently. And that's because demons really just need to have that space where they can promulgate

45:10fear and fear is one of the easiest things for the human being to generate because anything that is unknown generates fear in the human organism or can generate fear. It doesn't always. Sometimes it can, you know, invigorate curiosity or other things, but more often than not to your standard individual, not knowing about something creates fear. So demons are actually quite easy to work with. You do not need to get them out using the name of anything really besides tapping into the source of all creation and basically putting on a fear-free state of mind, you know, fear-free kind of if you wanted to think about it like that, it would be like a little bit of a spiritual bulletproof vest that just adds another layer of protection. And if you are very hard to farm, it's just like a location that you would have to pull all of the rocks out of the field and pull out big boulders and your soil depths isn't

46:15very big. You're probably not going to want to buy that property in order to farm it. It's just way too much work. You'll go to another source that's much easier to get from. So that would be deep. Now, how often would you say possession actually happens and can it be from something other than what you consider a demon? Yeah, absolutely. So it can also happen through other interdimensional entities, another interdimensional entities will basically they try and feed on various different types of states of emotion, but not necessarily always on fear. Some of them on pain, some of them on suffering, some of them on fright, some of them on, you know, anger or some of them on, you know, any sort of what we would refer to is lower vibrational kind of states of consciousness, and emotional states of consciousness that keep the person generating cortisol and having some level of stress or anxiety.

47:16So interdimensional entities are very, very common. Of course, demons just being a categorization of an interdimensional entity, a very particular one. And then, of course, ancestral entities as well. So ancestral entities are entities within your bloodline that we're never able to fully cross either because they were not sung over to the other side in order to meet their own kin or that died in highly traumatic and fast webAs and not really able to even fully process that they were dead or that like as cliches, it might sound that there was quote unquote, unfinished business or specific life goals that never got manifested. Those types of entities that exist within sight of our bloodlines, oftentimes just wait for a particular individual who has a similar astrological resonance to them or personal logical resonance to them. So their interests are the same, their talents are more or less the same, et cetera. And then they'll kind of wait to kind of possess one of their, their family members as an

48:24opportunity to try and work out their own karma and move to the other side. That's not the way that they're actually going to get there, but nobody gave them the rules. They don't know how they're going to get there. In fact, they probably bought into religions like most people did that are so far away from a universal truth that they're very still stuck in that mode. So they're just trying to do anything they can. But it happens for us, we have two different types of ancestral entities that are problems. One are the level and ancestral entities. And those are ones that essentially held such different views to the views that you might hold during your life that they really hate you. And they think that you're evil and they try to get you to do things that they would have done instead. And so you find yourself performing all of these things that are not really your real will and not really what you really want to be doing, but something that you feel is extremely familiar in another way. And that's because it's within your genes.

49:26It can be acted upon quite simply. And again, the sympathetic entry mechanism is the trauma. If you have a similar trauma to that family member, that's what allows that family member and is a malevolent entity. And then the same thing can happen but with ambivalent entities. And I always tell people malevolence is so much easier to deal with than ambivalence. Because if somebody is ambivalent towards you, at sometimes they can be your friend and very helpful. And at other times, the second that you do something they don't like, they can be your enemy and not very helpful. And you don't know which camp they really sit in. So it's harder to create a barrier against those types of individuals. But realistically our ambivalent ancestors are ones that oftentimes have minor philosophical differences. Like for instance, if one of your ancestors was a Presbyterian and then you choose to be a Catholic, they may not like that you're a Catholic. It may do everything that they could possibly do to prevent you from going further within

50:31your holy rights or whatever else that you might get within the church or other things like that. And so it's going to be very, very specific and isolated instances in your life where you see that pop up where it's like, I don't even know where this is coming from type of thing. So anyway, these entities, we become very, very open to their presence primarily by not addressing our traumas or any of our core emotional wounds. Again, our wounds become like huge beacons to these creatures who are capable of feasting on the different emotions that are oozing from that wound, but futurefying from that wound. And the more that we address these things, the less susceptible we become. That being said, there are some interdimensional entities that create these things called interdimensional implants and people who are targeted individuals or people who deal with schizophrenia.

51:31I have yet to test a single one of them who is not testing positive in their intrinsic data field for interdimensional implants. And very frequently in schizophrenia in particular, what they are looking for is not necessarily an emotional resonance. They're looking for a genetic resonance. They're looking for these particular mutations or polymorphisms that can exist within the C4A gene or the C4B gene groups. And when they see those, then they are just drawn to that like a beacon and they install this interdimensional implant inside of the phornics. And what this causes, it causes the glutamatergic fibers of the phornics to be way super active. So you have tons of glutamate, which is an active excitatory neurotransmitter. And they're in the GABA ergic fibers of the phornics, which are the calming and relaxing types of fibers. There's no activity. They completely, that implant completely suppresses their ability to produce GABA in

52:32the flight of the phornics. And this literally creates the susceptibility towards auditory hallucinations and hearing voices and other types of things like that that otherwise a person, if they did not have those things, would not do. And they're definitely minerals that correspond to the phornics and phornics health and heavy metals that can do that same type of thing. So where the genetic predisposition comes from for a lot of these individuals, we're still sorting that out because there are some physiological factors that when we alter those, we can see that the schizophrenic potential and even the expression of the C4 genes tend to express themselves in a way that is non-pathogenic or non-susceptible to those types of entities. Whereas we still have plenty of other factors that we're trying to find where it's like, where is this coming from and how can we fully address it? But yeah, we've gotten at least enough through the research that we've been able to draw

53:35correlations over and over and over and over again with that phornics type of thing, C4A, C4B genes and stuff like that. This reality is so much stranger than we could ever imagine. I love this stuff. Now last few minutes we have, let's talk about how to prevent some of these negative things from occurring. I know we discussed taking care of trauma and emotional baggage. That's probably the number one thing we could do. But as far as daily protection, if we are starting to work on those things, what would you recommend? Yeah, well, I mean there's a whole slew of different interdimensional entities including certain to lyric entities as well. So to lyric entities are a group that we didn't really discuss too much, but they would oftentimes be conflated with the CLE, or un-CLE courts in Scottish mythology, or the Faye, the Ferry folk, the cryptids, different types of things like that. And sometimes they belong to geographic areas and sometimes they really don't.

54:37But everything from Yenna Bhushi of Navajo tradition, which is a skin walker or to the boger out here in Appalachia or to any of these other different types of things that were even presented in your documentary, a cult Louisiana, right? So like all of these types of cryptids are also entities and we have to know and understand the way that they act and the way that they behave and their behaviors in order to understand what it is that they're attracted to or what they want from us and why we would be prey in the first place in order to protect ourselves. And that varies from each different type of entity, you know, from entity to entity to entity type. We kind of have to really study our lore and order to understand those. Well, I do want to hear a little bit more about this since you mentioned it. These cryptid beings, why would you say that they present themselves to us? For example, Bigfoot or Dogman, do they have their own intentions behind making themselves

55:41known at times? Well, I would imagine so. Most of the, yeah, there's some really, really interesting stories I've been reading especially lately out here in Appalachia. Some modern people will call it Bigfoot, but our local version of the Bigfoot is called the boger. And they would tell you that the boger is going to come get you and when most people hear that today, they think of the bogeyman or whatever. But then they see this huge ape-like, hairy thing that can walk on all fours or stand up on twos and swing through the trees at like unreasonable speeds. We also hear about a lot of these different types of sensations with time storms. We hear about these with 411 missing cases. We hear about these with all sorts of different types of things. So oftentimes my work with Michelle DeVries actually hasn't formed this opinion, but it actually seems that sometimes these entities are looking for food or have been deprived

56:44of food and they actually feast on not our physical bodies because more often than not we go missing. And they just return a single piece of us. Like I remember reading this particularly interesting case of missing for 111 in Yosemite where the person went missing. They were gone for a long time and people had seen, other hikers had seen something moving at like breakneck speeds swinging through the trees, causing the tips of the trees to actually bow down as it was moving. And they didn't know what it was, but they were far enough away from it that they thought it was weird and they had heard a scream. Well later there were CIA and FBI and other different secret services out there trying to find this individual that had been lost apparently the source of the scream. And they searched around everywhere. I mean everywhere that you could possibly imagine aerial searches with black hawks, on ground searches with Navy SEALs and with secret service agents and everything else couldn't find

57:46anything. Three days later somebody was hiking through the same area and they happened to in the middle of a river on the big stone find just the shoe with the severed human foot of that individual found. They're no other blood trails ever, no other clothes were ever found still to this day. No other sources were found it reopened the investigation people went out there again started looking for it. This time just trying to find a body. And even the way that the bone had been severed looked like it had been cut with like a laser or something. I mean it was cauterized. It was completely sealed. There was like dried blood that looked like it had dried very, very fast under high heat situations. So when we take a look at things like this and we hear the types of descriptions we don't always have an understanding of what it is that they're looking for. Now Michelle the reason I did a lot of IDF investigations she hired me to do it IDF investigations for her doctorate of metaphysics and also for her master's of metaphysics degree before

58:47that. And what we found is that there are certain genetic components that are within particularly our blood and bones that are signals or antennas to various forms of interdimensional entities that give them permission. And there's three different major classifications of entities that are capable of kind of abducting us in cases that it's not actual government stuff because those are those are entirely different other things. There are crazy cryptids or cryptid likes I should say that are not interdimensional beings that are very freakish creatures that have been created by governments and stuff too. Like we talk about the Montauk project where we talk. I mean, there's tons and tons and tons of different types of things out there like that too. But these ones that are not or do not appear to be government created by the fact that they also existed in Native American legends long before the white settlers had ever arrived.

59:48We end up seeing that there is something that draws them to us that is like a beacon. And they have the ability to either abduct us and to take us for food just like we would going by a license for hunting or fishing. We can do that. They have a license for that. They also have licenses for scientific investigation. So these are usually the cases where it's called catch and release. It's where you're caught for some time. You might be poked, prodded, studied, whatever have these weird kind of vague memories of these things and then put back. And then there might also be poaching. And we don't know what the purpose of the poaching is, but it appears as if it's for kind of the same type of thing like human slave trade type of stuff. But from creatures to creatures like wouldn't it be nice to have a lion, the pet, people might go in and poach a lion and then be able to take it back and use it as a pet and

1:00:51they can do the same thing with humans. So from the best of our investigations at present, these seem to be the major realities that are happening, especially with what she calls the predator archetype, which could be any number of interdimensional entities that act as, act predatoryly towards the human organism. That is crazy, man. All right, let's get to some protection practices, how we can maybe even become aware if we're being targeted in some way. Yeah, totally. So the human organism has this very, very interesting capacity and they've, they've actually, I shared something about this on my personal Facebook, maybe a week or two ago, where we have bio photon receptors that can tell if we're being watched or being observed. I think the most important thing is to try and activate those as much as you can through your daily practice and your meditation practices, et cetera, just try and be aware of who's

1:01:54observing you because you will be able to easily find with a little bit of practice, two weeks of practice. Maybe you'll be able to find as you're scanning your own energy field, like, hmm, somebody's taking a look at me. I like, I can feel this. And if you allow yourself the ability to follow who is watching you, you can kind of make eye contact with them with your psychic senses. And that could be somebody who is placing curses, hexes, jinks is on you or it could be an interdimensional entity who sees you as a potential food source. At that point, once you identify what the threat is, the idea really is, let me try to, you know, make myself as non-appealing as possible in terms of being prey. So a lot of times that come down to like always carry a blade or a weapon with you, like always. If we talk about this all the time in terms of martial arts and like women who are at

1:02:57higher, disproportionately higher susceptibility to being raped, almost all of them have an emotional trauma in their past that caused them to have low self-esteem and that low self-esteem coupled with fear of susceptibility to problems is actually what attackers are looking for. They're not going for the most attractive or they're not going for the one who's, you know, wearing the skimpiest clothing, that's not what it is. It's the person who just oozes lack of confidence, who oozes the inability to really stand up or defend themselves in any way, shape or form. So the first thing is, get yourself a good blade, know how to wield it and practice with it every day. That's going to actually, like whether that's a physical threat or whether that's a non-physical threat. And most of the Toleric entities that we read about, particularly of Celtic and Britonic and other different types of entities from Western Europe that we would refer to as

1:03:57Fae, Ferryful, etc., which also are known for predating on humans and can use Elf-Shod, Ferry-Shod, etc. They hate an unsheathed steel blade that shows up over and over and over in all of the myths and all of the legends. So having one of those is a really good thing. Being able to utilize things that are able to manipulate the human biofield to such a degree where there is a type of cloaking that goes on, it's also a good thing. So traditional things like hag stones, which are stones that naturally have holes worn in them from water currents. Those seem to be extremely useful and they can also be looked through in order to see things that you otherwise would not see with your own eyes. You'd be able to see with more metaphysical eyes. There are other different types of protections too, like wearing a rowing cross or keeping a couple of rowing berries on your person or hung up in the home, especially.

1:05:01So different types of things like that. But really the thing is, is that unless you want to become an expert in these things and know the different types of entities or put a lot of time and effort into your own psychic development so that you can see which types of entities or people are harming you and what the mechanism is that they're harming you through. One of the best ways that we have developed over here is just to hire us to do an intrinsic data field analysis. What we can do is look into your informational field and find out are there curses, hexagesis, like a attack the evil eye, harmful negative malicious malevolent ambivalent or evil incantations or spells cast against you. And even the presence of Toleric entities, which there's a different way of handling Toleric entities and most other entities. We don't just banish Toleric entities because that can have some really, really negative ramifications. We have to oftentimes they're trying to teach us, stay out of our area. You fucked with us. There's some sort of like recompense that needs to be made oftentimes with Toleric entities

1:06:04where you can create peaceable relations with them. Whereas with demons and other entities, you basically have to get them out. So we offer a service that will not only analyze you for these things, but then also eliminate them from the entire intrinsic data field. And this is, you know, I've been trained in what, 15 to 17 different forms of ceremonial magic, ritual magic, folk magic, all sorts of things. I hold many different priesthoods and all sorts of different types of groups and this and not the other. I even with all of that, I was able to perform idea investigations on people after having performed some very elaborate, many, many hour, plus hour ritual exorcisms and things and still find residual traces of these entities or curses in other people's cases. And so I had other people from other traditions do the same thing. And then I would just perform an idea investigation, pardon me, an idea investigation on them as well. And what I found is that nothing actually works as well as clearing the informational

1:07:06field. So when, when I pop into their informational field, we balance and clear it and get rid of the susceptibility towards the possession of those entities when we get rid of the susceptibility to the curses and the hexes and when we actually banish them, when we put on consistent informational fields that will bind and mirror any of the individuals that have ever sent you curses or that ever will send you curses along you, continuing the talisman that we provide, then there's no susceptibility whatsoever to being impacted. So we do offer that service. It is quite time consuming for me. So it's a little bit of a hefty price. But because we're talking about it, Nori and I decided that to all of your listeners here at Forbidden Knowledge News, we want to offer a 20% off discount to the service for anybody who'd like to use it. Of course, if I test you and you don't have curses or entities in it, then we just refund your money. But if you do have it, then we end up doing that.

1:08:09So you can just go to our service. It's called Eliminate Enzmahike, which means cause of disease due to magic. So Eliminate Enzmahike and Entities. It's an IDF service that we offer on our website. It's usually 400 bucks, but it's actually not 20% off. It's like $50 off. So you get it for $350 instead of 400. And the coupon code for that is Forbidden. Awesome. I'm sure my audience is going to love that. Thank you so much for that. Phoenix, this was fantastic information. We're going to have to revisit this and explore some different topics that we can get into. There's so much more we can. Before you go one more time, let the audience know the best way they can find your social media content website, all the good stuff. Cool. So yeah, we're on Insta and on Facebook, you can find us at Insta. It's at phoenix.orraileus.alchemy. And on Facebook, it's phoenix.orraileus research academy. You can also find us on YouTube, the same way. Phoenix.orraileus research academy. We have all sorts of videos up there and other things.

1:09:12And then our website is the very best place to stay plugged into everything that we do. That's phoenix.orraileus.org. And be sure to sign up to news letter for exclusive deals and news and coupons and all the other things that we're up to. Excellent. Phoenix, thank you so much. We'll definitely do this again. Until next time, everyone. Have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. See you then. Today, I want to welcome Adam Ferris. After his father passed, he was led to write a gritty David and Goliath graphic novel, which he self-published last year. The book focuses on Nephilim giants and hybrids in the Bible that may tell a different story of our ancient past. Adam, welcome. How you doing? Good, buddy. Happy Thursday. Happy Thursday, man. And welcome. Looking forward to getting into this. You've done some amazing work with this graphic novel. I highly recommend everyone go check that out. I'll have links right in the description. And today, we're going to be discussing the concepts presented in the book about Nephilim

1:10:16giants as well as your understanding of some of the biblical stories presented and some alternative possibilities will be exploring. But before we do, this is your first time on. Tell us a little bit about yourself and let the audience know where they can find your work. Yeah, Adam Ferris, writer, biblical researcher. Three years ago, I was just a normal guy working a normal job with the abnormal stresses that you would get. And by the past, unexpectedly, and changed my life completely, I ended up getting a calling to essentially share the good news and try to put a better story, a better visuals to Bible stories. It started out with five stones. And then over three years, it really developed to just diving deep into the Bible, ultimately finding more giants and just a different look of our history and whatnot. So it's been a while, three years, man. How long have you been doing biblical research?

1:11:19Yeah, so I was born and raised in the church. I left at 17. So I had a foundation of church in God and whatnot. But really, this three years has been it for me. I was a distribution center manager. So I was used to researching and looking at things differently and a man of the why. So when you're a manager, your life is why? Why do I have to do this? Why should I? Blah blah blah. So that was just my world and that's how I was conditioned. So when I got into this, initially, I was just curious of how far I could take this and what I could find. It all started to click. This was meant to be and God was teaching me how to research the Bible. So this three years, I started and just would read these odd things. And I was like, well, I want to share this too. So that's when I started my blog of just, you know, hey, this is something weird, you know, like somebody running faster than a chariot and stuff like that.

1:12:21And it just progressed and got crazier and crazier. So yeah, it's been a heavy, fast pace three years, man. Right on. Well, maybe as we go through tonight, we can focus on some of those more profound discoveries that you've been making and get your insights into what you've uncovered. First, let's start with your progression of work. You said you started with the five stones. Tell us a little bit more about this. I'm in no way a biblical scholar, although I went to Catholic school growing up, but bring us through your work and what is the five stones? Let's start there. Yes. That's how I went into this too. You know, in the church, you have, you know, a normal understanding of the Bible of what mainstream is, you know, and, you know, and I'm not knocking it just that's factually based. So I did too kind of walk into this like blind, if you will. And I intentionally too, of not holding, you know, a bias while I know about this and

1:13:23I know about that, I just clean slate. So when I was doing my initial research on five stones or on the story of David and Goliath, that's what stood out. Because it was five stones. And a lot of people have heard this and it's a common thing to clear up that it's the one stone and the one giant, but he actually grabs five stones. And the reason he does that is because there during the battle Goliath, his three sons and his brother were all there. So it's five giants. So that was my like, okay, I don't know this story. This is different. Let's figure out all this stuff. And again, walking in blind was like, you know, this, how could there be one giant? That's never made sense. So just for a little insight, so Goliath is a Githite. He comes from the land of Gath. Much, much later on in the story, Obed Edom is a Githite.

1:14:26And he's actually on the good side and they leave the ark with him. So that's another giant. Of course, there's three sons and the brother. Now one of the sons is six fingers every hand, six toes every foot. That ties into Native American folklore, giant wars and red hair. So I'm like already kicking off like, okay, all right, this is not what we've already been told. Then later on in the story of David and his mighty men, which is an incredible, incredible story. He has a man named Itai who is already over 600 Githite army in Gath. So during David's story, he's given Zicklag and he's also like, he hangs out in Gath and Moab with the kings. So a lot of people join him. So he's, you know, right off the bat, we got Goliath as a Githite, but then there's so many more Githites down the road and even turn and join with David and part of his army. So you know, and then oh my gosh, you started looking at Ornon the Jebysite.

1:15:31So the Promised Land, the Numbers, the report of the spies, those tribes that are listed are scattered out through the rest of the Bible and include a lot of inner marriage. So that's more of spreading of the giants, which ultimately is the Nephilim gene. You know, that's, we got to look at this on the biblical timeline, you know, Genesis to revelate, revelation is our sacred timeline, if you will, from Marvel. So Gen 6, which again, we, you know, people have already beat that drum, but that is a reference point of when it started, essentially. First Corinthians 11, 10 women are to have power over their heads because of the angels. And that's in the New Testament. So essentially at the end of the book, meaning it never stops. Angels have always been coming down here and changing and doing all the crazy stuff. We mentioned these tribes. How are you able to identify whether these tribes are giants?

1:16:35Is it written within the scriptures there? Are you easily able to identify that? Yes. So Amos 29 states that Amorites are as tall as Cedar trees. So if you, if you research that right now, Cedar trees are 20 to 30 foot, like normal trees, up to 100, 200 feet. And realistically, that's Google in the year 2025, right? The atmosphere in BC times was very different. Air was different. Sun was different. So you look at all of these stories in the Bible about Cedar trees. They are highly looked at. They're highly sought after. Some people have to cut them and special means are used in transportation. So it's not like just a normal tree, right? So that's the Amorites. Now the Gibbianites are mentioned much later on and they are a remnant of the Amorites. And this is another of one of the Gibbianites meets up and joins with the David and his

1:17:38mighty men. So you've got, like I said, you got Amos 29 that is, I feel like is our best scale together to give us an idea of giants. Because just saying giant, that's kind of big. That's a relative term. But everybody spurs from there. So basically when this thing started, when Abraham, before he became Abraham, God came to him, it's like you're going to be over great nations. Now what he says in Hebrew is Goy Gdol, G-A-D-O-L, which is nations of great size. Which is key because a lot of people later on are mentioned as Isch Gdol's or Goodly Men. So the mainstream, Jin 6, the drum that everybody's beaten is Gibbirem. Everyone knows that term and that translated as mighty men, it is from Neflum. So there are going to be variations in giants just simply because it's mixed with human blood.

1:18:43So there's going to be natural evolution. That's just part of it. So you'll see the Gibbore, Gibbirem used in situations explaining these guys. Like David's 37 Gibbirem or 37 mighty men. But if you checked all of them, they're going to come from completely different areas, different backgrounds and all that. So again, basics, always go back to Amos 29. What I was going to say was it was told, Abraham, you're going to be over Goy Gdol's. It says these are the nations in the Promised Land that will have to be driven out. It says the Amorites have not realized their evil yet. So they were still good giants. And specifically at that time, Abraham was camped out hanging out with a guy named Mamray. And Mamray had three brothers, two brothers. Mamray, Eschel, and a Nurt, he was three of them.

1:19:45So in the crazy story, Abram's nephew gets kidnapped in this really crazy four versus five Kings story in the Bible, which is all about the initial giants. Well, Abram gets Mamray and his Amorite allies to go in there and get locked back. So Abram, this dude that's already been prophesized to be like this really good guy and he's going to go on. He shows up with four three giants like, yeah, I'm here McGill McCusum. And that's a huge because because that the the Oaks of Mamray is part of the burning bush story. Everyone's heard that, but they don't know, you know, and it's not my place, but it's never said where it was, which was at the Oaks of Mamray and Mamray is an Amorite giant. So yeah, if you look at, you know, at least the Old Testament, like there's some in the New Testament, and we may get to that, but like, that's not really my area, my area is

1:20:46the Old Testament and the wise and the history. But I say, if you look at all of these stories and you dive into who they are and where they're from, it's a different story. Completely. Would you agree with the common understanding that the Nephilim were the product of the supernatural fallen angel beings mating with human women? Oh, yeah. So that's the the black and white on this, right? And I feel like sometimes that's the best way to look at things. Black and white, God made earth, he made everything, he made humans. He had when he was making everything, obviously, he had made angels. It doesn't go over that, but you know that that later, that's how he does things. He has a council. He's known as the Lord God of Heavens, armies, not army like we think of, army as in roles and responsibilities. So pride and free will, that's going to get everybody.

1:21:49That is just a recipe for disaster. It does speak to the mighty of God that even the angels have free will. And unfortunately, you know, they, they, that can cause them the fall to lust. If you look at the good things in life, right? You know, God made a lot of really good things, but they have purpose. Lust and sin is going to trip everybody up. So yeah, he made everything, he gave us the earth. Thirty angels were jealous, didn't like it. Probably had a lot to do with fixing and helping and moving and bringing and lift, you know, all that stuff. The manual effort. And they didn't like it and they didn't care for it. And not that I agree with them, but look what we've done on the planet. Like, you know, we could at least show us some appreciation. But, you know what I mean? But, but that's what happened. They would tell us because it was given to us that we're righteous, you know, just like that song goes. So they came down and I will, I will say this that there's, there's an exception to

1:22:55every rule, you know, you can't just say, I was this, no, this is this. So and I don't put a lot of, I don't put any energy on, on evil, you know, I don't, I don't research that and all that stuff. I'm just the Bible guy. But we know that evil is the, the flip of good. So if God has a council, evil is going to have a council. And we know that basically how it's going to be in a Christ and you know, blah, blah. So essentially one guy, one person, it's always one at the top decided this is what we're doing. And I'm not, I've got a glance, glance over at some familiar. So he had a group that he said, you do this, you do this, you do this. But it was a third of the angels. So these are thousands and thousands and thousands of angels. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty that literally did just come down and want it. And we're like, man, yeah, I would like to have a wife. You know, just like there were plenty of them that were like, I'm taking over.

1:23:56And I'm going to show some examples of that. So you know, to me, like that was good and there was bad in it. That's why I say it never stopped because if it was just a bad thing, that's, you know, God's a creator. He can do anything he wants. That'd be a pretty easy thing to clear up, but it wasn't. And plus again, it goes back to free will. You know, God's, he's not here, like picking up after us. You know, for the shoe and your food, you know, he's already set the rules like I'm here for you. Just, you know, you got to, you got to listen to me and love me and stuff. So, so yeah. Well, the way many scholars interpreted is that because of the crossover between these angelic beings and humans, that means the seed would have been corrupted. And whatever the product of that is would be an evil being. But you're saying there was a more of a duality amongst it. I, and man, I look at things super real again, black, white.

1:24:57I hate to be redundant, but, but super real. How could it? I don't. My area is not the metaphysical and all the, you know, just, you know, so is, uh, is Ezekiel 28, um, Ezekiel's a book of prophecy. And specifically 28, he's prophesizing to the king of tire. Um, King of tires done some bad stuff and it's his, his time to, you know, pay the piper. Ezekiel tells him, well, God says, remind him, you were the guarding cherub in my garden. You were beautiful. You know, dot, dot, now look at you. Meaning he used to be an angel. You know, we got to take, take the Bible 100% serious. Not like, well, they might be saying, no, what are they saying? And it, it, and so, so Genesis and Ezekiel pretty far apart completely. So that means that angels were coming down still and taking roles as kings. And that's more of a nephilum thing that I think is, is kind of how that progressed.

1:26:00But that's an example of that of, of, excuse me, a bad angel in place, you know, in real time. Prince of tire, excuse me, his, um, his penance was, he was getting rich off his special knowledge. Well, he's the prince of tire. King of tires and, uh, an angel or an ex angel. So of course, he's got special knowledge. So that's another example of how, you know, a bad attack, right? But Jebusites are one of the, um, tribes from the Promised Land and they are the in a translated tri, uh, trampolars of men, you know, they're clearly giants. Um, Jerusalem was Jebus, uh, the, the, um, land of Jebusites and David conquered and blah. Well, during David's story, after Goliath, the, uh, he messes up and takes a, a census, you know, basically getting real prideful and want to see, you know, how big is my army? And, and his people will like, don't do it.

1:27:03Don't, Joe had one of his mighty, you know, councils like, don't do it, dude. David at this point is super, like, I want it done. So he forces him to do it. So then the prophet at the time came to him like, Hey, you messed up. God's here to tell me that, oh, I'm here to tell you, um, you got three choices. You know, and it's like you can, this, this or this and he chooses a plague. The plague stops at the threshing floor of Ornon the Jebusite. So that means that that Jebusite, a giant was domestic, had, uh, he was part of the, you know, he wasn't living in, in, in giant land. He was there with them. He was respected. He was, you know, he had a threshing floor meant he was, you know, selling stuff. He was looked at respectfully. And also in that story, he offered to give his threshing floor to David. And David argues him says, no, I'm gonna do the right thing. I'm a buy it from you. That also shows respect. So that's a good giant, you know what I mean?

1:28:03And, and, and, and really all of David's 37, my, you can argue that they all essentially, maybe a bit bold to say gave their heart to God, but they followed David and they were all like bad, bad, bad. So yeah, they're in, and to look at it the way I look at it, um, especially at this point, giants were just on their, they were just people, if you will. It was nothing for your next door neighbor to be a giant or to, to go to the store and buy something from a giant. David, uh, uh, and David's role council, he had, uh, the name is Adora. It spelled three different ways in the Bible. So it's, I don't know if it's a name, uh, necessarily like a role, you know, but basically his name's Adora. And translated it means Lord of height. And he is over David's transcriptive labor.

1:29:07So as they were going through and conquering and doing rating parties, this guy was coordinating the efforts of the, you know, forced labor, the slavery of the, the, the, um, you know, conquest. Solomon as well, Solomon had 70,000 stone carriers. And as a very specific role, stone carrier, and he also transcripted labor forces from Amorites, Jebysites, curgisites, all of the tribes from the Promised Land. And that too, I just thought about that. That's a misnomer too, because you know, everyone, for the most part knows the story of the spies, the 12 spies that go in, they see the giants, they come back. Excuse me, 10 of them say we can, we can, excuse me, geez, 10 of them say we can't do it. To say we can, because, you know, the, the, the, the sons of a knock were, we're grasshoppers and, you know, blah. The curgisites, Macchiathites, um, Jebysites and the a knock giants, all, um, we're not conquered.

1:30:16In difference, in different scriptures and different parts of the Bible, they were, um, they didn't all get forced out and, and we're able to live with the Israelites. You know what I mean? So, say when you look at that first story, a lot of, a lot of the understanding is, oh, they went in there and saw giants and then they killed them all. Well, no, they didn't. A lot of them stayed over and got to live. And then Ezra and, um, Ezra and Nehemiah all mentioned, um, inner marriage. With those tribes and like in a bad sense, like you get called out, you get named Adam, Adam messed up and he interfered with Amorites. And now he can't come and you said something earlier, um, Deuteronomy 23 says the Ammonites and the Moabites, um, are not allowed in the temple, even after the 10th generation. So, and I'll explain who they are, but that means that some can't be birthed out and some can be because the significance of that is, I don't know if you've heard the Red Heifer thing.

1:31:23Yeah. Uh, yes. For the audience that may not be familiar, explain it a little bit. Absolutely. So a red, the Red Heifer is a good example that you cannot have any blemishes in the temple. So certain sacrifices, you know, the Red Heifer cannot have, you know, any other colors or anything, humans like men, it says that you can't have a cross testicle or, you know, be damaged in any way coming into the temple. Because it's, you know, and if you're familiar with the temple that is very, very inside is, you know, that's God's house. So, you know, is what it is. So that means that Ammonites and Moabites are not completely humans, a, and then again, like I said, some can be birthed out and some can't be. Which really crazy is in Nehemiah. They, somebody found the, the, the Mosaic law, the Moses's book. And they were like, all right, let's get this thing back in order. We've been messing up, you know, let's go over the rules and let's, let's do the right thing.

1:32:26So as they're reading it, it says, no moabites can be allowed in the temple. And they look up and it's like, well, y'all got to go because there's, you know, this moabites is hanging out all over the place. To give an idea of moabites, I'm sure you've heard of Lion Men. Yeah. That's the Moabite line. That's where theoretically that's where the Lion Face Men start with the line of Moab. Interesting. Yes. So Moab and Ammon are brothers. And I'll, I'll explain that. But the Moabites is the Lion Face Men. The Ammonites, they don't have a specific trait like they never say giant. They definitely don't say Lion Face Men. But they're not allowed in the temple. So they're not all the way human. I would be willing to say that, you know, the, the Neanderthal skulls and all these crazy skulls that we had, not the oblong stuff. But that's probably, you know, just different genealogy.

1:33:27And then mainstream is trying to trick us and say, oh, no, it's this and this and this. Right. But, you know, we were all humans. Of course, there's natural evolution. But then again, there was constant in a marriage with what came from, you know, the Neanderthal, basically. Now another common understanding is the purpose of the Great Flood was to wipe out these giants from the face of the earth. Would you agree with that? Or is there a little bit more nuance to it? Absolutely. I think just like everything else, it's super complicated. So it was. And we can chalk it up. That that was the worst of the worst. The bad of the bad, the dinosaurs, the craziness, things, you know, the thousand feet people and all that stuff. Because if you look at it scientifically, the first Nephilim, you know, the first reproduction and then probably that second generation, that was almost pure bread. As it goes, it's going to get water down just like everything else in life.

1:34:35So free will is a big, big part of, you know, we got to apply that to everything. Because it was a flood, basically a reset. There's examples of when somebody has to go, somebody has to die. And it is, it takes place. So this was again a reset. I'm willing to believe if you could get into a deep enough cave or get high enough on some crazy mountain or whatever the case, you probably did survive, you know, because that's, you know, again, if God wanted to done, it would have been done. But we also have ham, which, and we'll go into that too. I believe the writing of that shows us that that is where that continuance came from. So Noah was a good man. It's very specific. Noah was a good man. He already had a family and kids. It would have said that was a good group. It wasn't. So and in everybody's probably familiar with the story of ham, they get off the boat, Noah,

1:35:41respectfully is super exhausted for what he just did. He has him a drink. He passes out naked. Ham comes in there and makes fun of him laughs at him, disrespects him. The thing though, all the five first five books of the Bible wrote by the same guy. So there's going to be a natural pieces put here and here because the Bible too, we got to keep in mind. It's meant to be searched, not just read. You won't understand it if you just read it. So the first five books wrote by the same guy that literally was around all those giants and went in. Well, he didn't get the most instant to get to go to the promised land, but he was there fighting them all. So he knows it. But specifically, Genesis 19, ham is called, who refers to as the father of Canaan. He hasn't had kids yet. And Canaan is his last kid. So it's not, you know, like what are the odds of? How does that go? You name a kid he hadn't even had yet. And he has nothing like four, four, four kids, I believe.

1:36:44Says it again, 1920 is referred to as the father of Ham, father of Canaan. And again, these are the first times that any of their kids have come up with anything. And Ham was not the first child. So statistically, that one of gone. 19, 25 is when he actually does the bad thing and gets the curse. And specifically, that's where we find all these giants is in the land of Canaan. So that to me, as an author, what's the storyteller telling you, you know, Jin six, flood, ham, and then this is how it kept going. And then of course, you know, when you get into the like I mentioned the first Corinthians, that author was telling you it's still happening. Because I do stay in firm that knowing, looking at the Bible like this and knowing these people and all of this, it paints a bigger, a different picture, not just a bigger picture, a different picture of how this goes. As a kid in the church, a young kid, I remember hearing God was against inner marriage. And I

1:37:50could never understand that. It's not inner marriage. It's inner marriage with the the MRI giants in the in the Canaanite tribes. And that's specifically what he's talking about. If you don't take that in, then you might get the wrong impression of God in the Bible, just like the Amalekites. Amalekites are, you know, it's, I've heard this a lot that that's something that people use of like genocidal God calling for people to die and blah. When you look into the Amalekites, they are liquors of blood, they're cannibals, they're not all the way human. The, and this is the king thing. I'm a tie in here because this is best fits. Nimrod in the living Bible is mentioned as the first king. Not the mighty hunter is what we, you know, predominantly know. Then you tie in Ezekiel 28, like we talked about, that other angel, king. Now, Aegog, king Aegog in the Amalekites

1:38:51story. And this is why I incorporated this in five stones because I felt it helped paint the actual picture of David and five stones. Saul was chosen as king because he's a tall guy. He's a goodly man, right? And that, you know, Nephilim, it's everywhere he looked, you know, height was revered. Well, he's super arrogant and he messes up a whole bunch and the straw is when he goes into Analekites, he doesn't. He takes the best of the best and he spares king Aegog. Samuel, Samuel the seer, you know, super important dude. And it's, you know, one of my main pictures behind me is he delivers the message from God saying basically, you don't mess up, you lost God, and this dude's got to die. And he kills king Aegog right there. Pretty brutal. Unless you know the story because later on in the book of Esther, um, Haman is trying to kill all the Jews and Esther

1:39:56has to get in and stop it and they trick them and blah, blah, blah. Well, he is an Aegog. And in Orthodox Jewish, there's a note for Numbers 247 that ties back to Aegog and the Malekites being one of the first nations. So that, in my opinion, to tie into the king thing is what the Nephilim were doing was not only changing humans with which we already know they were the kings. They were starting the nations. That's why God says you don't need a king. I'm your king. I'll appoint judges to keep you safe. If you get a king, you're going to be governed like the other nations. And the entire book of judges is basically God picking the strongest people to help and to keep, you know, I'll say to keep us from getting governed by Nephilim because look, look at now, look at 2025,

1:40:57your text on everything where you know Anunnaki slave us for gold and Jesus Louise that's kind of still happening. So that, that I think again is how the Nephilim really did their thing. And that's why in the background of the Bible, it's Egypt or the Caldea, Greece, Rome, you know, in the background, all these societies are growing where they come from. And those were the kings. So it's most likely after the flood, there were survivors of these bloodlines. And you're saying that they still are the rulership of the planet most likely. Yeah, if you go down the secret society, rabbit holes, even presidents, you know, it just came out here recently, well, like probably two years ago, that a good chunk of our presidents have been related. Right? I think that if you apply

1:42:00the, what we know about monarchy, monarchy, presidents, we, you know, it's all tracked. Now, they don't like to admit that, but we know it. So and then like I said about the Ammonites and Moivites, that shows that bloodlines could be tracked because, you know, it means there's certain things that are burnt out and whatnot. So yeah, absolutely. If the Federal Reserve is a eagle for the logo, and we've got a pyramid on our dollar, Rome, Egypt, Mesopotamia, all have used the same eagle. Pyramids, obelisks, they come from faith markers, like in the Bible, in the first, the Abraham, Isaac and Jacob story. Anytime something happens, they, they use a standing stone. And that's the dedication to God. This, it happened right here. God, Exodus 20, 25, God says, don't use any

1:43:02tools on any of these faith markers because it makes it unclean. So then you look at the, the other side of good, we've got obelisks everywhere, pyramids everywhere, these, you know, these stone hinge. You always see a faith marker in front of a temple. We see what we got the Washington monument in front of the Capitol. Cleopatra's needle, I don't know if you're familiar. That's right outside of the Met Museum. So it's like, again, that's how I feel that they snuck through generation to generations to generations because they were pretending to be humans, you know, and we have examples of that in the Bible with just angels. You know, God would send an angel and the person didn't recognize it yet and blah. So that's, I feel like how they've snuck through because they were pretending to be kings. They track bloodlines and they do all this crazy, secret society, bohemian group stuff. And then that's why, if I can say it, no matter what happens, nothing gets

1:44:03better, right? You know, a government wise, because it's this one group that's been behind it, the entire time. No civilization falls, it just changes. Let's get back to your graphic novel. What are some of the other stories that you focused on within the book? Yes. So I'm missing the Malakites and I wanted to really give good perspective of that with Goliath. You know, A, I don't name him. Goliath's name's never actually in the book because I wanted, and it was a lot of subliminals, and I didn't want to just write a book. I wanted to, again, paint a better picture. So first, when you see Goliath, he's a red tag armor leather, a little bit of metal because that was the bronze falling to the Iron Age. To see people come in, the Philistines, and they are known to be metal, or just and kind of help bring the Iron Age in. And they also too were just hellbent

1:45:09on dominating and taking over. So in five stones, they come in, they see this, you know, this urban dwelling giants. And then the next time you see him, he is a Philistine, and he's in a suit of armor. To base in in, in, in, in, very important, he says, am I not a Philistine? Are you not a servant of salt? There is speculation that he was king of, king of Gath, because again, you know, the king thing was super big with Nephilim. I personally, I feel like he would have said that, he would have recognized himself, you know, because, you know, if that's king and Nephilim, you know, you come from somewhere, he says, am I not a Philistine? So I feel like he knew his role as a battering ran basically. So what I was trying to show in that was that we were no longer scared of giants. They were incorporated into normal life. And, you know, they were used in army and battle for

1:46:11that. They were just, you know, there's a story with David and a man named Neball. Basically, he's just a remnant giant. And part of his David's mighty men, they go to talk to him and he's super rude and blah, and he ends up having a heart attack. But he's one of the guys mentioned as an Isha doll. So, you know what I mean? It's just giants just ridiculously everywhere. So I really wanted to show that. And then the strength of David too, being in it is the stories revolved around like a 13 to 14 year old boy killing a giant. There is a lot of focus on him being, you know, a young guy and, you know, immature and, you know, not worldly, you know, just a rudy, run kind of thing. Well, he kills a bear in a lion by hand after he gets God's blessing. And then later on, you know, the mighty men, we talk about that. He literally just goes through and decimating, decimating

1:47:14nations. So he is not this little timid, cowardly little kid. Excuse me, so in five stones, I tried to show him really aggressive and a lot of action scenes. And there's a scene where, you know, he, before he kills Goliath, he tries to put on Saul's armor and it doesn't fit and, you know, blog. You know, I'm not taking away from it. It's a beautiful story. Anybody that hasn't read it, but mine was an emphasis story. So I have David show up. Here's Goliath running his mouth and just kills him. Get his stones and take care of him. He's not playing around because, you know, David, for all of that he did and the wonderful things he did, he didn't get to build the final temple because there was war in his heart. His son got to build the temple. And we know Solomon was when he was given his wishes, he asked for knowledge. So this shows what was in his heart. And that too, you know, look at it in a biblical sense. That too goes back to the power of God

1:48:19because he was using David for what David was. You know, David was a ruthless, you know, get out of my way guy, but he was a good person. So he was used and accomplished great things. And in my opinion, he didn't get into the temple because the temple needed to be something different. Temple needed to be reverent and looked at like this. So it's like, all right, you've done your, you know, you got us here. It's past the baton. Let's keep on rolling. You mentioned earlier the six fingers reported and the red hair. Is this something else that we can cite throughout the Bible as evidence that these giants had those features? So in the Bible, you don't get a lot of like, it's crazy how it works. You don't get a lot of forthright descriptions of certain things. You know, like I said, Amos 2.9 is the only concrete

1:49:23size, but giants is like emphasized crazy. So six fingers and six toes is the, you know, beyond line faced men, right? Is the only like really crazy description that I've seen. The skin tone and the hair colors and stuff that is non canonical. So what I do, my lane is just Bible. I don't take from anything else, but I'm not ignorant to other facts, right? So in five stones with the amalachites and with Goliath and his people, I do emphasize the skin tones and hair. The amalachites are red skin, you know, because they come from Esau and Edom and Blah. And then Goliath and his people are pale skin. I use blonde hair because I already used red, you know, split hairs. But I wanted to show some of that, you know, because we got, we got them basically. Everything was going crazy in the Middle East. I'm willing to bet there was plenty of people there were like,

1:50:29guys, it's just too hot for me. I'm out. I am gone. And then that's why we have giants and this stuff all over the place. Because an arguable point that I like to make is no matter what and where, they look different, their language is different, the religion is always different except a flood, right? But the buildings are always the same, you know, pyramids, ziggarots, Tioacon, even to the point that Tioacon, if I'm saying it right, in the pyramids are laid out the same pattern as Orion. The way I look at things, that's a builder's mark, you know what I'm saying? So there were people getting all over the place starting different religions and nations and just trying to hide. And then as, you know, the game of telephone, you know, the story changes a little bit, but everyone remembers the flood because that was, you know, a big marker in what happened. But then again, like I said, the buildings are the same. And that speaks to what the Nephilim knew,

1:51:31what the sons of God knew and what the knowledge was taught to them. So like a really crazy example, like from Enoch, when they do the root cutting, Oaks of Mamri, or literally, Mamri, the Amri, giants, forced, there's the Oak of Moore. And then also, one of David's mighty men is from Gilead and Gilead is a land left over from the Promised Land. And twice in the Bible, it's mentioned having a special balsam from Gilead. And then once you get into translations, it becomes medicine from Gilead. So again, you know, I don't take non-canonical, but I'm not dumb. Like I see things. So I think that that's root cutting and that's special knowledge of like, all right, if I cross pollinate this and this, I get this. You know, so where does that stuff come from? Right on. I want to get your thoughts on why there are so many perceived contradictions from

1:52:32the Old Testament to the New Testament, especially when it comes to the teachings of God, the law of God, versus the teachings of Jesus. It seems to be a very vengeful even at times jealous God portrayed in the Old Testament versus the New Testament. What is your understanding of these differences? Yeah. So, and that's exactly what all of this is done for me was. So, so I'll break your question down in a bunch of different ways. So, we have to understand and accept the Old Testament specifically. Now, it's the whole thing, but the Old Testament, we were under crazy attack. Humans were under a ridiculous attack. I think, you know, because we know of Israel and Jewish people, but how many people are on the planet now? I think, back then, that was humans.

1:53:33Abram, Isaac and Jacob were, it wasn't that many people on the planet compared to really to now, and it was so unfortunate that these just group of people were the good humans not doing anything crazy. And, you know, we trip all know of, but think about that. One person was chosen, like, no one else. There was nobody else on this planet that was good enough. If that's the case, that's, you know, do we take the gravity of that serious? So, I think that, you know, with all these giants in the lion-faced men, because lion-faced men comes from Moab, but then one of the tribes of Israel, the Gad, the Gadites, there's more lion-faced men. So, it's just like, you know, it was a lot of cross-pollinating, one a lot of normal humans. And, you know, if you look at it from a creator's aspect, like, no, I don't want this. I want humans to enjoy life and to be happy. I don't want

1:54:35humans to be worried about animals coming in at night and killing them, like animal people and giant dinosaurs. You know, and I don't think that that's too far of a stretch to think, especially with, like, the research that I've done. We have to accept that humans were just, it was hard to live. So, I would say that that is the probably 90% of the war in the battles was that, was just plain, I want humans. This is what I made. I already did the flood, and I promised I wouldn't do it again, so help me out here. You know what I mean? And then that too, in the book of Judges, is another a good example of that, because again, God said, don't have a king, and he was picking strong people, like, Oath Neal, the first judge, his name means violent lion for God. And he comes from the Lion of Dogman. So, he was not completely human, but he was the first judge.

1:55:35And specifically, Israel was under an eight-year rule from a very violent king, another Nephilim, and God, you know, everyone, like, reached out, like, please help us, and it says, God gave them Oath Neal. Oath Neal was already there. So, that doesn't mean he gave it to him, it meant he appointed him. He came upon him, gave him special strength, special knowledge. It's an I need you to take care of my people. So, you know, under a microscope, again, humans were under a very bad attack. And also, too, think about like the, um, the, uh, 10 commandments. They didn't come at the beginning, right? It's not about rules. It feels about rules. He'd have been like, hey, all right, now do this and this and this, don't do that. He didn't. He said, be fruitful, multiply, and enjoy. And what do we do? We tear it up and take advantage of it. So, you know what I mean? So, so I think that was a big part of that was, you know, just please, I want humans to survive.

1:56:43Now, going into the, the new testament. So, first, it's not testament. It's technically translated as covenant. So, what it is is the old covenant was the blood rule, blood for blood, you know, animal sacrifice. If you, if you, you know, if you're unclean and you sin, this is how you can get in my good graces. Now, who are we to judge on that? You know, it is what it is. Um, the new testament of the new covenant means I've given you a part of me. All you have to do is believe in me and give me your life. So, that's the significance of why the, the old testament, God had a different attitude and in the new testament. Because again, essentially, and there's a really good parable in the new testament. And I don't remember word for word, but it's basically about a farmer. Farmer has a farm and every person he appoints to watch over this farm takes advantage of him, kills his family, and just, you know, just acts ridiculously, no matter what he does. The point

1:57:45of the parable is God gave us this earth and all we're doing is just tearing it up inside him. You know what I mean? So that, that, my opinion to be the difference is because, um, we were under attack and he was doing his, his best to keep us safe to the point, you know, the whole eternity. And that's where the new testament comes in. And if you're like, all right, all right, all right, all right. Here's what I'm gonna do. Give me my sign as part of me. Can we just, you know what I mean? Can we just, so in that's the way I look at it, especially looking at like these weren't normal humans. And, um, man, there's a, there's a movie, the Ice Man, and it's not the, the mobster. It's an actual, a guy in Russia, a skeleton they found in Russia. But basically the beginning of the movie is this dude and probably five or six, this, his little tribe, it's his family is doing his thing. And, you know, Mama has a baby, so he goes out the next day,

1:58:45you know, I'm gonna go get some food, but I just live in his life. As soon as he leaves, tribe of like five or six people come in, kill everybody, kill all the women, decimate, blah, bam. So the whole movie is basically like this, this, this, this guy has tried to survive with a newborn in, you know, Russian cold winter BC times. Can you imagine that you're just at the house, eat your ball of cereal, and then hear all these dudes come in and that's how it was. So that too is like, God's like, yo, all right, I got 10 commandments here. Don't lie to each other. Don't steal. Don't cheat. Come on. You know what I mean? So, you know, like, again, it wasn't at the beginning when he gave us the rules. It was like, tighten up everybody. Right? A few times you mentioned the existence of dinosaurs. There are many that speculate that we could replace dinosaurs with dragons or reptilian beings. Do you think that that's possible that these entities were more intelligent than just our understanding of dinosaurs?

1:59:50Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So it says more times than in our opinion, I'm sure you'll agree with me. It says more times than it needs to. You shouldn't have sex in it. Yeah, yeah. You should. Right? I feel like that's the one time I got it. It's cool. It says it a lot of times. So that means it was constantly, constantly happening. My point is we don't know 80% of behind the scenes, right? We don't know what our reproductive stuff will work with what animals. Right? We don't know. I say that to suggest that that was probably what was going on back then. And that's where lion, you know, this and this and this and this and this and you know, if you've got a, you know, who knows that might be where if dinosaurs came from and they were super intelligent. You know, I argue that again, why would that be said because it was happening? All of us were made at the same factory, humans and animals. So, you know, who knows?

2:00:54And then you look at what's going on now with all this crazy, you know, I just saw, you know, the Kentucky Derby was just here recently. Of course, things come up with their experimenting with like superior horses and you know, it's like, of course that technology works, you know, of course, the problem is it's the bad people and what is what's their intent? Moving forward to where we're at today, you mentioned earlier how we can never really get out of this control system because it's always the same psychotic ruling class. It's like a multi-generational psychoform that keeps putting out these rulers and that's why we're always in this situation. But do you sense that this time period that we're in has an error of difference that we are heading into a very critical time? Many believe that it might even be the end times, have biblical implications to it.

2:01:58What do you think about where we're at right now? Oh man, that's a good one. That's a good one. I'm a patterns guy. So if you see it once or twice, it's a trend, meaning it can change. If you see it three times, it's a pattern and you've got to accept it, it's a pattern. Before Trump and this whole presidency, where I can't think of, there everybody was pushing 2030, 2030 constantly. So I'm like, okay, something's behind 2030. Let's just chalk it up. To look at the biblical timeline, in my opinion, the only place UAPs or aliens would fall would be in the trick for the mark of the beast. It's the only way that I could rationally see that being an hour timeline because you're going to need a very compelling argument to trick people. Hite too, everybody get ready. If you

2:02:59see some tall stuff showing up saying, hey, we're here, we know where it came from. So yeah, I was going to say just lost me. So if you look at it like that since this plenty of patterns all over the place of, you know, this go around. I like it because opinions on Trump, you know, whatever, that's not in place. I don't really care. I will say this. We see things differently now. Now podcasts, obviously, not going to everything. Thank the good Lord. Like that helped us out in getting actual knowledge and hats off to you and everyone else take, you know, doing the thing because God bless, we need you guys. But I will say it like this. Right, wrong or indifferent. This party is trying to do things differently. So what that does is shows you who's not.

2:04:06Right. Don't look at what they're doing. Look at who's not doing what they should be doing. It used to be, we didn't know what the problem was because this party would come in, say, we're going to change things and then nothing would change. And then this party, it's been nothing would change. But didn't this party actually came in and then you see the other side, arguing points, they're like, why are you arguing that? I didn't make sense. And then USAID and all that stuff. So it's like, now the veil is down. And now we see, you know, who's right, who's wrong? And then my arguable point of the one party from the very beginning that's been pushing all this, that's why nothing's changed, no matter who comes in because it's the same people. And you know, we can argue all day long. And that bullet missing Trump's ear, that was, you know, God, God did that. There's going to be times where you got to go through some funky stuff so you can realize you went through funky stuff. So yeah, it's in a very different time now. You can also see

2:05:10guys put a lot of people in a lot of different places and a lot of things would be insaid and looked at and understood it. You know, the scary part is, you know, and I can be wrong, I've been wrong a million times. But if I'm right, that we are in the second part of revelation, that means we don't have too much longer. Because if you look at revelation, the first part is the scrolls and a lot of dying and a lot of plagues and a lot of craziness. The second part is the thousand years, the mark of the beast and all that and stuff. The two, the two witnesses come back which is a crazy thing too. So yeah, yeah, I could sit down and be confident that we are in the end times. It does say in the days of Noah and then you look at all this experimental craziness, well, that was the days of Noah. Clearly, and that's what we talked about earlier was,

2:06:10you know, humans, there weren't many of us there at that point that were pure bread. And that was the whole attack. For the last few minutes we have, is there anything else that you've been working on that you'd like to talk about or anything else that we haven't covered yet that you'd like to close out on? Sure, yeah, I'm working on my second book, Great Fish, a really esoteric look at Jonah and just like diving in, you know, no fun, diving into who he is and, you know, Ninova, because that was the part he was running from hit the prophecy. He didn't want to have to do it. Well, who was Ninova? Well, they were like crazy paganistic, like Babylon, Nimrod, more nephilim. So, I really try to put that in perspective. And then also to I'm doing a really deep dive on David's mighty man. And this one too, like I did think about writing a book on it. I just want to share this with people. So I'm talking about it a lot on podcasts and on my YouTube and my substack. I just do

2:07:17episodes on it and just breaking it down on the more giants. And, you know, the more knowledge we have, man, the better off we're going to be. And if there's one takeaway from anything that I do is hopefully people get a better perspective of our history. And hopefully want to go back and look at the Bible because they understand that how they look at it is, you know, might be a little different. Right. Well, Adam, thank you so much. This was great information. Definitely love to have you back on. Much more we can get into. Before you go remind the audience how they can get a hold of your book and find out more about you. Yes. Five stones that big cartel.com is a e-commerce for the book YouTube. E Adam Ferris. Got a lot of videos on there. My substack e Adam Ferris dot substack.com short reads. Just I'll grab some scripture for references and stuff like that. And in Instagram, e Adam Ferris. I'm I'm accessible. God just reach out. Excellent.

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