Fixing Drake Maye, Cowboys Win-Now Move, JJ McCarthy Hindsight, Plus Some Early NFL Draft/Trade Rumors w/ Albert Breer

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1:03the right or solo show presented by draft kings all of our episodes up on that flicks on today's show we do a lot of football i'm going to dig a little bit deeper on Kevin O'Connell's answer about developing quarterbacks and after the Jay Jay McCarthy trade and looking back at some of the timeline stuff there we've got a full NFL week four preview for you well look we didn't do every game with our breer some news and notes on potential trade deadline stuff he's got some really good stuff on Drake May he's got some great stuff on Philly this stuff on Denver Jacksonville so we cover a lot of teams in there as well as Jeremiah Smith potentially going number one overall and life advice and don't forget the Alliance because this is football season the football season is heating up every week feels bigger with draft kings the draft king sports app is now live in all 50 states that means from Texas to California to Florida every fan is in on the excitement follow the teams you love keep up with the biggest games and experience the excitement of football all week long no matter which game you're watching you're always connected with one app one app every sport all 50 states new draft kings customer sign up with the code Ryan spend just five bucks get 150 in rewards

2:07within 14 days includes all markets that's code Ryan RY EN in partnership with draft kings the crown is yours gambling problem called 1 800 gambler 1 800 my reset Connecticut called 888 878 977 777 visit ccpg.org on behalf of boot hill casino in Kansas at tax pass through may applying Illinois 21 and over void in Canada bed with draft king sports book to get bonus bets that expire in seven days or trade with draft kings predictions to get predictions dollars that expire in one year event contract trading involves risk of loss predictions offer void in New York non with robber rewards issued as fifty dollars click to claims every seven days for 14 days terms at dkng dot co slash offer limited time offer nation-wide based on sports book predictions and free to play sports contest availability varies by state i know we spent some time talking about the gg McCarthy trade um this is probably a lot of time on the guy that doesn't look like he's going to be very good but i do think all the dynamics of the story are still kind of fasting so we touched on it when they ticed on Monday and probably asked for about a little bit later in the show today so there was a press conference that i watched this week where Kevin O'Connell the hit coach of the

3:11Vikings was it was a very somber mood for a team that's going off to this great start but you draft somebody this high and it doesn't work out turn the page you trade him for a fifth round draft pick you know it's it kind of feels like everybody in the building is just like all right you know this sucks it sucks when that kind of thing happens to you especially in that position um and as i was watching the press conference because the clip has made the rounds and i want to play the clip for you here too and this is a question which i think is a is a good question but i also think it's kind of an impossible question for O'Connell to ask honestly so here's the question and answer you have to go out and send organizations failing on quarter of action for young quarter of actual organizations and today you got a guy who has a tent overall picked it only and i've gotten 10 stars how you got a recon silo um you know i would say i would say this you know there was there was a lot of context to that quote first and foremost and i think you know a lot of what you know we put into this and and jj put into it you know

4:12there was some of that context was involved in that making sure we were doing everything that we could you know under the circumstances and um that's where to don's question earlier you think back on you know try to do the best we could and um there's always going to be reflection on that i think that's important um but at the same time i you know i think sometimes you know sometimes things you know don't work out how you envision or how you plan or how you hoped and that doesn't change the intent that doesn't change the work that got put into it by you know jj himself um and and what he's meant within you know this building so you know since the time we first got him um you know so uh you know i believe in the collective work that was put in um and i believe in uh you know i believe in jj and in the intent and the work that he put in um and this is just where we are today i'm not being critical of the reporter at all because i totally get it right it does feel a bit like i got your question on hey you said

5:16that organizations fail quarterbacks more often than the quarterback fails the organization so you know what is it um it's a question that i probably would have asked when i was younger and then thought like i killed it like i you know he said that and this move contradicts that so is he going to admit that he failed like i've i've got him you know and i i don't look it's clearly not a a younger reporter i'm not being critical of him i cannot emphasize that enough but i think in fairness to the head coach in this spot what is he supposed to say like this is this is the time where i i remind people a lot where just because a manager or just because of head coach or just because a teammate said this about somebody else involved with the team it doesn't mean it's true because that person is an impossible spot i'll even use an example uh when Nate and i and it was more me talking about Carly Urse being on the sideline and then you know what are the notes

6:21they asked a cult's player in the locker room like hey is this an issue it kind of became a thing for the week you know whatever and the player was like no we don't care we don't even notice anymore so people were sending to me being like hey more unknown cares what is that player going to say yeah it actually sucks it's super annoying coaches hate it she owns a team so you like okay you have a quote from a player saying that it's not anything whatsoever maybe it isn't but he has no choice but to answer it that way and in this case Kevin O'Connell he doesn't he can't just say hey we got him in the building we were wrong our GM who drafted him who was fired in January he fucked it up he shouldn't trade a fourth and a fifth to move up one spot to grab JJ McCarthy is the fifth quarterback in that class you know we brought him all in we actually wanted Drake May we tried to trade for herber and we knew we were kind of like unsure about what was going to happen with Darnell and piecing this whole thing together so we had somebody we thought we could coach up what you'll kind of did and then we thought we were taking somebody else who

7:24you know we kind of talked ourselves into it or maybe he didn't want you know who knows if there was any division whatsoever amongst all the decision makers but ultimately they they took him 10th and O'Connell cannot in that spot for the way you kind of have to handle yourself because this isn't even like applying the sports world dynamic to it it's the corporate world he can't say yeah we got him in we screwed it up someone else screwed it up he sucked and he was kind of annoying you know he wanted to rehab I had a schedule so then it led to a second surgery he didn't tell us when he was hurt another time he has an alter ego you know a lot of this stuff just kind of weird on all of us and we got it wrong just like all the other teams who get it wrong with first round quarterbacks so it's a question I think again I think I would have asked it when I was younger and I think if I had had Kevin O'Connell here I wouldn't go like hey you said this and now what you know it's kind of like what answer you're looking for you're looking for him to kind of fall on his sword or tell the truth in a way that no coach in that spot is really going to tell the truth so we know

8:28that he wasn't any good again he had the concussion he had the broken hand he had the knee surgery again it was the second one because of some swelling he had an ankle injury so he didn't get a lot of time and what will happen whenever there's a first round quarterback especially when a fan base is still rooting for it to work out I don't think Vikings can fans are going to care about this anymore but they start comparing it to some of the early quarterback struggles is some of the great ones like yes we know paid manning through 28 interceptions every single time there's a first round quarterback take and who has a terrible rookie year that fan base rolls that out like you know I mean it's just it's it's like a rivalry trophy in some of these college football games we're like we had this thing bucket of oats since ought six that manning season yeah he threw 28 interceptions doesn't mean your guy's going to be good Troy Ackman went O-10 with a 60 pass rating not even a QBR a 60 pass rating Josh Allen's first two seasons of his career his QBR was in the 40s

9:30and for whatever reason which I'll still never understand is that Josh Allen became so great bills fans then wanted you to admit that he was great when he wasn't great prior to when he was great like just be psyched he's awesome it doesn't just because he's MVP doesn't mean those first two years weren't a struggle which he is admitted to publicly many times that he was like I got to figure this out I got to kind of change the way that I'm going to play but the full like I almost feel like I don't know if it's a Minnesota thing I don't know if it's the I'm sure locally the calls have been going on for years especially with what Darnell did last year with Seattle and then to see what the quarterback played looks like for the Vikings beginning of this year you're going so what was the reasoning on the Darnell decision again because I I feel like naturally maybe it's just not happening all that much because I was looking at it again because remember right back in 24 they've won 14 games they're playing Detroit week 18 for the number one seed in the NFC they score nine points and you're like oh and then they're going to play a wild card game at LA they scored nine points a game so 18 total points and the two most important games of the season and you're looking

10:34at Darnell going seven years in this is this fourth team do we really want to pay this guy all this money like open quarterback market kind of money and we just took somebody that we traded up for and when you take somebody it means you probably expect to play them even if they missed that entire first season and when Darnell had those games it was it was almost treat as is like could this be a good thing because now you're not going to overpay Darnell to again that year his year with Minnesota is the best year of his career he was 10 to the MVP voting he made the all pro team not proble because every quarterback makes the probo he was an all pro quarterback after that year I mean his year statistically for that year was even better than the year that he just had with Seattle and you're going like yeah we kind of really don't want to pay him and when Darnell replaced Geno Smith of all people like some people like you sure you want to do this and it was a three year hundred million dollar deal with Seattle only 55 million of it was guaranteed as a just a true free agent quarterback if you look at his annual per year salary around 33 million dollars he's ranked

11:4116th in the NFL for quarterbacks right and from 15 to 16 is where there's the massive drop drop off Daniel Jones is 44 million a year that's 15th highest I think for quarterbacks and then it goes to Darnell where you then you start to see the gaps and then Aaron Rogers contract this year so Darnelled in today's NFL world just over 30 million is an absolute bargain which means hey we can grab another offensive lineman we can get an extra edge guy we can you know we've got like 20 extra million here to spend because we're not paying our guy 50 to 60 million dollars or you thought you'd get it even cheaper on the J.J. McCarthy deal now I don't know what's going to happen at J.J. I mentioned the early stuff that every fan base rolls out in defense of their guy that isn't very good and I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong which is kind of pointless maybe at times because the J.J. thing was a strange draft conversation too because you're like this guy's going to go hi you didn't really have to do anything in Michigan but draft guys that I'd like were like no there's

12:42some throws in there man like there's in the athleticism and he wasn't asked to do that much and if he was asked to do more you would have seen a lot of that stuff and that's fine like everybody screws this up all the time I don't even get mad at draft guys anymore and I don't think you should maybe maybe there's a few times but generally when it comes to this position as we know 50% of these first round quarterbacks end up being bust however many years you want to go back but you could then say in the last few years it feels like it's not just the 50% bust rate it's also the overdrafting like did you watch cam ward that year and go yeah I hope you the number one pick overall I mean it happened because there weren't a lot of quarterbacks in that class um I think even bright shung going ahead is cj you're like wow all right I guess and look mendoza because of a lack of quarterback depth at the top of the first round for this past draft as great as he just was winning the heizman and winning a national championship and looking like

13:42his personality although different is so truly him it's this earnest thing that you're like he's going to go one um and look jj it wasn't like he went one he went 10th but he was the fifth quarterback chosen out of that group next went sixth two spots behind him racing canes started back in the day by our friend Todd graves and look if you're ordering canes you already know the move you get the box combo that's four hand batter chicken fingers golden crinkle cut fries Texas toast and a side of cane sauce they stick strictly to high quality chicken finger meals made fresh and cooked to order parot with a freshly squeezed lemonade or iced tea and your set canes is all about riding unique and unforgettable experiences whether it's at your local raising canes or it's some of the most premium vents throughout the year from hosting VIP sweets at the US open to celebratory chicken fingers and cane sauce in the raising cane space at the 78th Emmys head to your local raising canes or order on the app raising canes chicken fingers

14:44one love getting ready for week four and thrilled to have Albert rear from sc.com the money morning quarterback podcast as well as listen to this morning getting some stuff going here so look I spent a lot of time like most of us did I think nationally talking about drake may and the Patriots issues but let's start with the good stuff let's start with Jacksonville because I thought you made a great point like of all these teams that we got really excited about wondering where the Patriots going to be what's Chicago going to look like with another year of the Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson you know Jacksonville to put that beating on New England to get the start that they've had this season does this make sense to you looking at them going hey this might be the class of the AFC yeah I mean I think like it's like one of those things with with Trevor right where the expectations were so freaking high the time he was you know a freshman at Clemson and it was this guy's in the L way luck manning like category of prospect and then it doesn't quite work out that way you know I think people have to revisit like this is becoming a pretty good player now and

15:48I've had interesting conversations with Liam Cohen about how they got there you know and last year kind of incorporating him as a runner more into the offense and saying him hey you don't need to get to number four on every play you know if it's one two and then you run that's okay two they've just gotten him playing faster I also I also think like there's better depth than people realize across the roster and I think the Travis Hunter thing is kind of like a great example of it where they've got enough good players at both spots where they don't need to overdo it with him at either one of them you know so a receiver they've got Parker Washington Brian Thomas and Jacobi Myers and you know a corner is it's Jerry and Jones it's Buster Brown it's Jordan Lewis so like I think it's sort of indicative of of of where they are as a team right now you know where it's are they overwhelming and want anyone area probably not but they've just got like good

16:48balance and depth all over the place and I think they're really well coach too you know Liam Cohen's obviously done a really nice job there and it's even stuff like letting Travis that Tango right like so most teams would be like okay like well where do we find the next guy like Liam Cohen took it and said all right like last year you know we were kind of a finesse running game we want to add more power you know we want to you know be a little bit more physical in between the tackles and mirror a little bit more of you know what he experienced when he was at the Rams and what he what he built you know in Tampa and so you know now it's Rodriguez and Tutan and they've changed the running game too it's just again I think it's just like kind of a well-conceived team now that doesn't mean that we're winning the Super Bowl but I do like like the depth and balance of the roster across the board by the way when you look at snap count thing this Travis Hunter thing yeah they didn't do them any themselves any favors you know with Gladstone and the introductory thing of what it was right and then it's kind of like well

17:51he's just going to be a corner right and are they are they kind of relaunching this two-way threat thing but this time deciding to not announce that they're doing it yeah so my understanding is they had more in for him on offense last week going into the new England game and obviously the score got out of hand so I think they sort of pulled back on that a little bit um but like the idea has been coming off the injury we need to make sure that he's right from a conditioning standpoint and they're also taking a big picture look with both positions and saying it's a 17 game season and so we're gonna need bodies at both positions so if we can rotate at both positions we'll wind up being better in the long run for it so there's a number of different masters they're serving here and but look like I think part of the plan um you know if you talk to the defensive coaches their Anthony Kaminnell is the defensive coordinator big part of the plan is like we think Travis Hunter can be a shutdown corner and I think that that was I think that was always what this was

18:55going to be you know um now last year they used him in offense more but if you go back and you look at the way that they deployed him at Colorado I he was basically operating as a defensive player during the week going to meetings as a defensive player practicing as a defensive player because you sort of need to if you're preparing for it's easier to package it on offense you know where if you if you're gonna use a guy both ways like the way you're gonna get the most out of them probably is to play him more on defense and say okay like we're gonna get you ready for this week's opponent this week's receivers this week's scheme and then we can kind of on offense cheat it and package it a little bit and create ways to get you the ball that's the way it was at Colorado where they were like literally like patch or was signaling routes into him you know I think that's the eventual vision for this so they needed a more on offense last year you know then park their Washington emerges they trade for Jacobi Myers they need a more on defense this year and I think the the the the the the the end game here is he's gonna be a shutdown corner who moonlights

20:00on offense is it a bad three games for Drake mayor or a bad seven games seven I think it's fair to look at that I mean I think it's just so unique because of the schedule last year you know like it's it's really logical if you think about it like Josh me Daniels had never had a quarterback like this and that's not saying he's better than brace is different you know like so I don't think anybody knew what exactly the offense was gonna look like last year plus you had that the schedule was kind of forgiving right so they go through the year and you know how much of the time was either Drake May's back fit back foot hitting the ground and it's exactly the way that they envisioned it and he's letting the ball go or situations where it wasn't like this he's able to kind of get loose and make scrambled plays and that works I mean I voted for him for MVP but eventually the NFL is gonna take that and say all right we're gonna make you beat us a different way which I think is what happened in the playoffs they played better defensive play-coullish in the playoffs they played better defensive personnel in the playoffs and I think at that point a little bit of a book

21:04has it had been written on him which was zone pressure you you know you protect yourself deep so they see a lot of too high safety they see a lot of quarter quarter half all those things to prevent the big play from happening and then you pin them in the pocket and so force them to play quarter back and that's something he's working through and I think last year in the playoffs things sort of crumbled around Drake and he didn't pull them from the fire and he that point is just too young to do that I think this year it's more some of the problems from last year of carried over and he needs to get past those and become a better decision maker so I would say that you know it there is definitely some carryover in the struggle at the end of last year into what's happening this year I touched on the open and I know it's been kind of talked about a lot but the JJ McCarthy saga and Minnesota are we to believe then you know the Sinspire General Manager like there's no way he operated alone you'd obviously be talking to Kevin O'Connell with his

22:05work with quarterbacks and his background a position of like he had to have liked him yeah also so I'm wondering you know do you think this is like one person overruling everyone or just a collective mistake by Minnesota with trading up for JJ and then even more is moving on from Donald no I think everybody was on board with the idea they needed a draft a quarterback and I actually think that's where a lot of the biggest mistakes are made you know that's how Christian Ponder goes 12th overall that's how EJ Manual goes in the middle of the first round right like it's when you decide ahead of time like that guy is going to be there even when you don't know that the makeup of the class is is that way right like so I mean for example JJ McCarthy was the fifth quarterback taken it's kind of an interesting coincidence Kevin O'Connell was the fifth quarterback taken in his draft class in 2008 and he went like 80 picks later in McCarthy you know so they tried like hell to get trac they tried and tried and tried to trade up to number three and New England

23:09wasn't moving and and I think this is where it bites you a little bit of the okay like we are we're going to take one and they felt like they could develop JJ McCarthy into a good enough answer at the time and then he had potential and they weren't going to force him on they they weren't going to push him out there onto the field I think what and we can get into the details on this but I think like kind of what's interesting about it is a lot like the Trayland situation in San Francisco where we all think like oh yeah like that's the ideal quarterback situation for this guy to walk into right and in both cases what happened was they sat as rookies and then they got the longer leash in their second year they struggled they got hurt and then those teams were too good to go through that again in other words like the guys who needed reps right like JJ McCarthy played to run heavy offense in college that was generally better than the teams

24:10that was playing same with Traylands right those guys just needed reps they needed time on task they needed to see different defensive coverage is different rush plans they needed to run different plays and they ran out of time with the teams they were happy they were with because those teams were too good to give them extra runway to do that you know yeah so exactly like I mean it's so it's going to be like our defense is so good we can't do this again this right we can't well how if you're Kevin O'Connell can you look like Justin Jefferson Jordan Addison Byron Murphy you know Andrew Vincankel Blake Cashman how can you look those guys in the face and not give them a better answer than what they had the year before yeah would there have been any market from McCarthy after he was drafted in 24 and sat out and they just do the Darnell deal instead I mean I think yeah I like and that's that's an interesting one because you know they put together a competitive offer for Darnell and they offered Daniel Jones basically the equivalent of what he got in Indian

25:16apolis and both those guys and rightfully so both those guys made the decision I want to go to a place where I have a chance to be the long-term starter right and and I think for both those guys looking at it it's like if I'm here I'm just a placeholder for JJ because they spent the 10th pick on him and if I have two or three bad games in a row that could be curtains for me where as in the other places Seattle for Darnell Indianapolis for Jones I'm going to get real runway to be the starting quarterback I got a chance to be the quarterback for the foreseeable future so they did try to bring back competition and then they decided okay we're going to put all of our eggs in this basket if that had worked right like if they bring back Darnell I think McCarthy's coming back with him and they continue to develop McCarthy behind him and you see where that goes and then with Jones I think it would have been an open competition it's it's interesting to think about what they could have gone like if Darnell was lights out in the spring and the summer it's like okay like this is our guy I don't know I mean you know your teams always go back on their draft evaluations and at

26:20that point he's got three years left on his rookie deal plus the option I mean you're probably looking at more than a fist but I don't think you're getting a first back for him okay Rams Eagles yep this one I kind of can't wait there was let me say like a college game you know with USC and Oregon after what had happened beginning of the year I'm like all right I know I'm excited about the game but I still kind of have no idea what to expect unless you want to keep going with like USC just under Lincoln Riley not winning these games which is what happened but with this game I'm looking to fill it all for you in the beginning of the year with Hertz and I go okay it's not always pretty but he's responding in those tough moments yep they're crushing on him third down against Washington you know Tennessee shouldn't be in that game but when you needed him when you needed Hertz to step up and kind of respond to those moments it was like you know this is this is like the good part of it where yeah there's throws that are missing and there's stuff that frustrates me but like look at what they're doing on third down then they go two and nine they

27:24the bears look like the Vikings I know on national television because you're like what so now you know I'm looking at the Eagles Brear and I'm going okay so the old line I know they've had some issues okay so that's that's part of it even though they couldn't run the football last year I think another part is like all this talented personnel name brand guys on that defensive front where I'm like oh that guy was nasty that guy was nasty that guy was nasty and like I had times where I thought about this in the past I'm like why is this group not better like I look at three Nolan Smith from Georgia and I'm like what is does he make any plays anymore so like I think there's like a lot of name recognition with this group in this talented roster but I mean these are two teams where I probably still feel better about the Rams because I thought they got hosed in Denver yeah and I'd go hey they're two in one let's throw out the San Francisco game that whole thing is weird we know they have some of their early injury stuff so I probably feel better about the Rams but like the outcome of this one is going to really set the tone for like nationally like it there's going to be a massive variance on how we feel about the loser of this game yeah

28:27and I think I mean didn't he I came out of the Rams Broncos game thinking the Rams are the better team did you I we said it Monday yeah I mean I know we're not allowed to and it was probably annoying to Broncos fans but I just went okay the wrong team won yeah that's how it felt and that was without Puganakua it was a without my old scarred so like it does get you thinking again of like what that team's going they shouldn't have that chance to win at the end staff are almost friends and bats you know what I mean like after all that happened so I you know staff is playing at a high level I Devonte Adams I don't know how he's producing like this like at his age like you know you you think the cliff is coming and I think it was here 13 for him which for him to look the way that he looks is crazy McDuffy is a huge difference maker for them on the defensive side of the ball and again like they're going to get some of those pieces back not this week but I feel good about the Rams now going to Philadelphia I I thought this might be the year they level off

29:33a little bit and and the reason why I so much of and I think you nailed it when you talked about like the areas where they've traditionally been great you know they've been they've been built forever and ever is everybody knows like along the lines of scrimmage and with Landon Dickerson being what he was before he got hurt and now they've got some moving pieces inside and Jordan Melada and Lane Johnson are still really good but they're getting older and then defensive side of the ball jailing Carter's nicked up and like you said do they miss jailing Philips they tried to bring him back Nolan Smith you know there are big picture questions what is he long term the things that were overwhelming strengths for the Eagles when they've been at their best they aren't there right now and I I wonder how they're going to dig themselves out of this because the I think the main reason they brought Sean Manian in as the offensive coordinator was to reestablish the wrong game and I think Sequan looked good against Chicago I question the quarterbacks fit in a in a

30:38system that's so based on detail because I don't know I think it'll make jailing hurts better but is it really playing to his strengths I'm not sure about that you know and then and then defensively if they have trouble getting after the pass or you know I think it kind of changes the dynamic for them overall so I actually would look at it right now I think Dallas might be the best team in that division based on what I've seen over the course of the first three weeks and again you you sound stupid saying that because they're they're one and two you know what I mean like and and everybody wants to go by record early in the year and everything but you know I I do think like watching Philly the other night there was there's some things that looked like a little more than like yeah we'll fix this over the next two or three weeks yeah the Washington game was like okay some good some bad new offensive system here but hurts response yeah Tennessee you're like how is this happening they should have lost yeah right but hurts response um even if you want to get on his case about some of the other throws which I think all of us could probably do a little bit better rejabi like

31:40hey guess what some of these series are going to suck like even staffers going to have some series area like oh this was bad um but man to see them get just looked like that yeah both ways and you know generally if you look at their past rush win rate stuff it's 20th in the league right now on the new league calculations right their number winning against the run is actually still really good they're run blocking win rate is really good their past blocking win rate isn't as good um but that's kind of one of those national games where I think we're on the same picture we just feel better about the Rams but look you're going into Philadelphia it's a pretty big game for that all right but even like like the last thing on that is like you know feeling it's a different place and like could that game be in being at home work against them like I think that's we do that a lot though yeah yeah I guess just just to be like fair a little bit about it like it's kind of like when there's a college game like oh miss you know yeah all miss after the lsu game like no shit it was super emotional and guess what we all realized

32:43that the next week at Florida if you're paying attention to like some of Florida's talent yeah that's probably going to be a tough spot so I've heard the same thing over and over about Philly it's like hey what's going to happen in that stadium if it starts looking bad and they're one for seven on third downs with 10 points or nine points and will nine to be weird I guess three fulfilgles but you get the point like yeah I I know but if anything they're probably the that roster is probably so huge to it they they should be more conditioned yeah syrian does a good job of handling it too I think I think I know I think you're right but I think but I think there's like a like I think there's like an f you to syrianny that like actually emboldens his team in those situations you know what I'm saying I do because I think this is where his meathead tendencies yeah and I mean that as a compliment yeah like him being you know he's got these emotional kind of meathead things that I think players really like especially in the sport yeah that probably works way better than if you had you know some brainiac out there that was going like you know with the thing is

33:49going like like so I think that's a really good point there okay Dallas they trade for Joey Porter Jr. Decent package coming back contract issues I think it's you could say it's a desperation move but I love that after three weeks Dallas is going we cannot roll the secondary out there anymore and they face a Houston team that's even more desperate than them yeah and it's interesting because I think they you know you bank you get you bank on it that you're getting the best out of Joey Porter things really kind of reach the boiling point yesterday with with Porter and the Steelers and so they were actually the aggressor leave it or not the Steelers were over the course of the day yesterday and trying to move them out of there and they played a night so you know there was some urgency on that you know I the Cowboys have sort of kind of kept at this like they first talked to the Steelers back at the beginning of training camp when they sensed there was a problem there and they had actually reached out to the Patriots on Christian Gonzalez too so they were looking around to try to add at that position going all the way back to like the end

34:51of July beginning of August and I think I think Jerry and Steven sense that there's real opportunity here with the way that the quarterbacks playing with the receivers that they have and like I I think it's at least interesting defensively what they're doing now where you've got these guys they brought in via trade so it's you know it's Quinten Williams it's Kenny Clark it's it's Roshan Gary and now Joey Porter but I actually think like a lot of like how far they go is going to depend on how the young talent there develops the young defensive talent so like what does Overshan look like he's in a contract year what is Donovan as a Rock who look like second round pick last year out of BC you know bar him out of Michigan has like he had a great camp and he was a factor in that Ravens game and so like he's he's a big one and then of course Caleb Downs on the back end like I look at their defense and there's a lot of proven vets that know what they're doing and now

35:57I think you've got some young players that could get better over the course of the year and so I think the X factors the fact they've got a first year coordinator calling it and designing it and all that and he got caught in some bad spots against the Ravens and I think he really cost the Cowboys against the Ravens but I think the gamble here for the Cowboys the offense is plenty good enough they know they're good enough on offense that the defense is going to grow over the course of the year and acquiring someone like Porter helps him do that there's something for everyone when it comes to Reese's what have we talked about with Reese's tradition expectation delivers and also relationships not everybody works it out right at a long time chocolate and peanut butter been hanging out a long time even Bellicic and Brady broke up you know and they know what what do they have to argue about things were going great and yet someone eventually decided that they were going to move on although I feel like Brady got his revenge dropped 15 pounds starts posting selfies all over the place who was who's in combo with him

37:02that's probably what Bellicic was looking at peanut butter and chocolate they've never had those problems they've never had to look at the other person's IG because they're together all the time because they know it works it's not simple it's just not complicated and that's what I think you want out of any relationship with your candy because you bite into it when you go okay this is exactly what I expected I'm never gonna break up with me because why would I ever I would I not want to see chocolate peanut butter again they're great hang Reese's the official candy partner barstral sports go get Reese's wherever you shop Houston yeah the disc or tell and I mean can can you share with us beyond hey it's disappointing they're all in three but we like their defense yeah the obvious the obvious thing to do is to blame the offense for everything and the offensive line I'd be I'd be really concerned with I think the tackle situation look at cost them in the opener you know it was it cost them you know it's it's cost them every week cost them against the cost them

38:05against the Bengals Trent Brown didn't look very fit at right tackle they're still wheeling them out there you know Ariante erisserie is still getting his footing is a second your left tackle so and then the receiver situation obviously losing Higgins they thought Higgins was gonna have a huge year so you lose Higgins you've been without Nico the last couple of weeks so it's easy to blame the offense I I think the defense has got a little bit of a gut check now too and that they didn't play well in week one against Buffalo and then this last week I mean Laquan tredwell caught a 20 yard in cut to beat them you know that essentially is what beat them and it's like one of those situations where it's like that's the best defense the league that shouldn't happen I'll do respect to tredwell is a nice story and everything but like I love him in college I think I have one time yeah we were a lot younger when he was in college I think you'd have to probably tell most of you don't you have to remind most NFL fans that he still plays football and he's making the he's making the game winning catch essentially to set up that field goal to beat him I I think this is like a big like

39:07will Anderson Derrick's that the young leaders on that defense like this is a circle the wagons and I'm really interested to see how they come out against a really good Dallas offense year because I I can so I can't remember being a camp and I was I was with some of their offensive coaches the day before I was their practice and I was and they were kind of talking about how they were saying how like you know like it's been really good because we've kind of played them to a standstill you know over the first couple of weeks of camp and it's been back and forth and with the level of our defense and then one of them said to me he goes yeah but we know it's coming tomorrow and it was a 11 up big 11 on 11 day and the offense had gotten the bedroom and the implication was the defense is going to come out to show everybody who's boss again and they did and I remember talking to Will Anderson after the practice about that and he was like yeah he's like we all knew no one had to say anything and so I wonder if this is one of those you know what I mean like where it's like the Houston defense now comes out to reassert itself after what happened

40:09last week in it D and I I think it's on the defense to do a lot of things there there's a lot of pressure on them to buy time for the offense to figure it out I'm really interested I'm almost more interested to see how the defense plays than the offense this week because I do think this could be like a hair across their ass performance from that group that's kind of how I feel I just can't imagine there could be 0 and 4 but I mean look last week I thought they'd get right against the Colts with the Colts issues especially in the secondary Alec Pierce out why receiver so yeah a lot of teams are losing records right now a lot of good teams are losing a lot of good teams are losing records three worse past rush win rates right now in the NFL according to ESPN and Pittsburgh is last okay Dallas is 31st okay I mean the Pittsburgh ones kind of shocking but at the same time other than the Cincinnati game like other teams like there's some stuff that you you can poke some holes three weeks in

41:10three games at that but right 30th is Houston and that's that's crazy I've never would have thought that that's not wow how about that I mean I guess with Pittsburgh you get attributed to like they're playing from behind more right so like it's a little hard to rush the pastor when you're playing from behind a little bit more but yeah I don't know that's crazy personal wise Pittsburgh and Houston you don't expect to see in there Dallas Dallas I mean because it's the interior you know it's it's the interior they're agree they're counting on Quinn and Williams to sort of wreck stuff and they're still figuring out the edge does it I'll give Quinn and Williams this he made Lamar look not like prime Lamar by even catching up to him as a defensive tackle which was shocking to even like get kind of a look I know Lamar was veering out of bounds or whatever but like that was something that jumped out because there was a couple runs with Lamar where I'm like all right you know I know that this deemphasized I know that it would make sense but like there's a few times with

42:12him you didn't feel like he was getting away from defenders the same way yeah look I mean I put him vicks in his own tier and then I put Lamar there as far as go just like the ability yeah the ability to separate like just take off I would put them in the same thing even though it still felt like prime vick is beyond anything we've ever seen but I I really put those two and then I don't yeah I'd say I don't know I feel like vick was more explosive whereas like Lamar smoother you know as a runner yeah yeah and that's that's the only reason why whenever I noticed him not going like hey if he decides he wants to get away from you he's just going to get away from you right it's still really good that third one keeper after the third one were Henry guts stuffed yep against them all right let's do Denver San Francisco here I know it's weird plucky Arizona by the way if you want to start talking past rush win rates right now cardinals fourth according to you how about that I know I know well the secondary was really more of the issue and we saw that as well but watching that Niners game that

43:14was just Bob Ross special with Shanahan and Purdy yeah watching just how dialed in it was and then you know you go up really it happens every single Sunday with somebody goes up two scores and then it's like okay they kind of invite the other team back all asleep in yeah yeah it just it happens okay I mean that's why the league is so much fun to watch but it's a very predictable 14 oh you know you're like all right they're not going to have the same intensity here I thought that they were doing offensively though was like really really special stuff even though Arizona because they're so plucky the cardinals they get back into that game and then we're kind of left here with Denver I mean it feels like Denver like hey at the very least can we see something in the first few drives yeah I know I know and it's like Denver it feels like Bo is doing as much off schedule as he's doing on schedule right now you know and like it's it's an interesting dynamic with a new play collar in there and I think they're still kind of finding their way there you know Waddle obviously has a

44:15huge game against Jacksonville two weeks ago so that's good losing I I was so impressed with Jonah Coleman and like obviously he didn't play last week now the reason he was available on the fourth if you know how good he was at Washington was because of his knee and now he's hurt so you raise some questions there I think Denver is still I think there's still some some some growth there no Jonathan Cooper again some like a little bit of mixing and matching it running back the receivers figuring it out I wouldn't there are another one where you look at like the depth and balance across the roster and I'd depth and balance the premium positions and I I really I really like where they're at I I would say like going into San Francisco this week they should based on what San Francisco's rolling out there feel like they should win the game now the Niners to me have shown like different ways of winning you know and that's what's so impressive

45:15like they won with the run game against the Niners or against the Rams then they come back and and party's been so good the last two weeks and and I think like watching party it's like the one of the biggest questions for all of us with when he got the contract was can you lift everybody up without what looked everybody up around and when it isn't right well there's no Ricky Peer saw out there does on struggling who they were gonna you know how it was gonna have a big role for them you know he's out now you know Trent Williams gets hurt in game you know Kittles coming back from the killies and he's been lights out you know through three weeks so I think I think this is like this is gonna be a really good test to see Brock party with a little bit less around him with a really good defense in front of him and a really good defensive coordinator it's the the the the matchup itself like I and getting to see party in this environment I think it's gonna be really interesting what do other teams say about Phoenix good fit for for Sean Payton's offense

46:24and a guy who has got really good sense about him and his excellent game manager and sometimes that sounds like an insult and it's not you know it's like he just has a good sense for what the situation calls him to do right not taking a big loss in certain spots knowing when there's time to take chances knowing when the time's right to to to go down field he's just got really good field to him now the ceiling is the question and I'm not breaking any new ground there but can he make it happen on his own can he make it happen you know when he doesn't when when when when and again like he makes plays in scramble situations but it's sort of similar to party is like can he lift everybody up around I mean I think that that's that's sort of one of those things where you go back to like where these guys were drafted you never lived down where you were drafted like herdee was the last pick in the drafts phonics was a 12th pick draft you know and so I think when you look at that I think a lot of people would tell you we you know we see these two guys similarly you

47:30know and based on whether draft that they're perceived a little bit differently but I think like Nick's is one of those guys where you look at it in minutes it's it's a really good fit for the team that he's on it probably would work everywhere the way it doesn't Denver green Bay it's got to happen this week Baker's going to be out with that thumb three weeks minimum yep I was looking at it this morning green Bay's last in yards per carry and that's not even the alarm well that's not great 13 running backs have had more carries this season than the entire packers team they have 48 rush attempts this season now hey they're down week one the Vikings thing was one of the weirder games but also a reminder like you could make the argument it's impressive the Packers were able to score them any points it's just fucking defense because that game felt like oh the Packers are going to beat him you know Vikings are going to have enough quarterback maybe there are 500 team and now like I think I like the Vikings as much as anybody that I don't really mean that

48:33but I'm just so enamored and so blown away by that performance against Tampa and just continuing having all these guys on the same page being like this is an absolute nightmare must be deep worst it has to be the worst week if you're an opposing quarterback thinking about what florist is going to do to there but you know this Packers team might just be bad you know the old line it hasn't worked out you have it can't all be on Jordan love and maybe that makes me sound like another one of these guys like herburt's kind of the aFC Jordan love where it seems like all of us are a namer with the talent we talk to these guys up all the time but they can't run the football they don't run the football we could talk about it being scores involving the jets come back being down to with Lanna which it was kind of the wake up call of like oh I guess this is bad yeah but um they're getting Tampa at least at the right time although that Tampa front isn't going to be a blast either right because you know that's kind of the hidden thing with that crazy Vikings game if that that group was terrific on top everything else making kyle and mary miserable for a day as well yeah it's like I think with the Packers so the offensive line is all

49:39kinds of beat up you know and you know you lose your right tackle that's a big deal you's probably their best player up front no Josh Jacobs and you've used march on Lloyd and he's probably your best runner but because of all of his injury history you're managing him a certain way like you have tougher craft coming back off the ACL so you have like all of these entanglements right like meanwhile like the receiver situation it's Watson Reed gets hurt you know Matthew Gold and you're looking to give him a bigger role so it's just there's like a lot going on there and then defensively without Micah Parsons Lucas Van S's stepped up some but I just I don't know like when you start to put all the pieces together what do they do well like what do they do really well and I've made this point about them as sort of similar to Seattle going into last year is like if they could get a bunch of like they're they're really good players to elevate to become great players

50:41then they would really have something so I'm talking about guys like Watson like Reed like you know in the offensive line you know Jordan Morgan becoming their left tackle coming over from guard Devonte wide at detackle Van S is another one you know the linebackers like the you know Edger and Cooper like all these guys that have like you've heard for three four years now they've got great potential and last year with Seattle you remember like right JSN became a great player Charles Cross became a great player Devon Withertspoon became a great player Byron Murphy became a great player so you had all these guys elevating from good to great it's just it's not happening with this group with the Packers right like the two guys that you could say that they have were great players ones craft from not the ACL and the other ones Parsons who still out so I sort of look at it and like you look at the core of their team and their guys they've started to pay now they paid why it right they paid they they paid Watson they paid Reed did they pay a bunch of guys

51:42who are good players to be at the core of their team and they don't have enough great players does that make sense you know I'm saying does but like I mean I'm one of the other one you Evan Williams on the back ends a really really good safety is he a game-changing great safety like there's so many names like that a guys like that and I just watched them against the the way they got bludgeoned against the Falcons and I don't know what this team does really well yeah look I am just as guilty as anybody else I'm not even saying that you're doing it but I remember going back to like 24 and looking at that receiving group and going like man re-eat craft Watson who you know it's your five and I was like this guy's going to be a star yeah obviously it's like maybe this is just what they are you know what I'm saying yeah that'll line though I mean you missed your best guy to out of the jump you know you invest in Micah Parsons who's supposed to be like when Parsons is right it's a game-changing player

52:46but elevates everybody else around him I guess I'm just not with some of these teams that aren't very good I think going hey it's just your love is a mistake you know and if you want to say hey any of you guys thought he was top 10 you guys are morons he's mid all right okay fine but I don't I don't think it's entirely fair to put this all on him the way I'll look at some teams on a Sunday go in like you've got no chance with this guy you know um trade deadline that's exciting in your sport now I know I know exciting time I know I know I saw a T somewhere with trade deadline right around the corner it's after what is it week nine so it's it's like for all you know Vambray I have to look that I can I mean I think it's after week nine and it's that's right um they moved it back a week but the sport was very out of every 10 yeah right the sport was always like wow we can't you know our route trees these guys will never understand it and I like I don't know if he's really good and you need a receiver you'll probably be able to figure it out uh and I think that the GM's have been more proactive about this the coaches

53:50have been more open to this idea where we grew up with it and it was like oh no one was traded this year on the trade deadline is there any way we can do a little hot stove NFL stuff even though it's it's mid season with the trade deadline is there anything yeah I mean I think like I think what we are going to see I think you're all he's getting phone calls and I think like the cowboy situation with the Steelers can kind of be instructive on that like in that like the cowboy state after it you know and the cowboys were looking for defensive help and they made that collar early in camp on Joey Porter and they were looking around at different corners like a sick and zalas is part of that and then you know eventually something springs you know so like these are conversations that are ongoing like I when you start talking about as I pull up the standings because that's the first thing I think of is like who's gonna be bad enough who's gonna be in a position where they're gonna be offloading guys right so I mean I like I I would look at like you know it's tamping a position where like okay like you know you're without Baker Mayfield

54:50for a few weeks now you fall out of the race who would be available on their roster would be like a Zion McCollum was a pretty good corner you know or the giant still in it right like sort of cave on tibido become available the commanders I think are you know again like one of those teams where you look okay like which way are they going what sort of movable pieces would they have they do have some older players on their roster like a javon kinlaw I think the one name that everybody had circled was max prosbee and it was like okay so all that weird stuff happened in March the Ravens failed him on the physical was scared everyone away he says he wants to be a raider I trust max on that by the way I do think he wants to be he does want to be a raider you know um and I would just tell you that's like I like a situation like that like would be the one where I would look at it like if the raiders were somehow fall out of the race then the foam would start

55:52ringing and maybe somebody blows John spy tech and and clink hubiak away they're three and oh you know what I mean like so like obviously they're not going to do it so I think that's sort of and at least right now and and you know things can change between now and november 10 it's just it's a little tough to look at the standings now and see the teams that are going to be actively offloading guys like you know jets if the jets fall out of it could like a demario davis or a make-up fits patrick become available um I'm just not sure who the big name is where you're like yeah that guy's out of there you know I mean do you have any what we want to run by me I I like I'm I'm sort of blanking a little bit I'm looking up and down through the teams um should the jets just go all in on cj stroud if the Texans end up 0 and 5 that being it's not gonna happen no it's not gonna happen and I don't think Texans with the Texans would do that it's an interesting question um Gino is playing really well for them um so I I think

56:56that they would be more inclined especially because you have to pay cj stroud if no I guess in a play as well um I think they'd be more inclined to wait until april to address their need for a young quarterback um the saints if they were to fall out of the race chase young has been an ass kicker so far I don't know if you flush that closely but it looks like he's the chase young that we thought he was gonna be when he was coming out in 20 and 2019 or 20 that's that's also kind of the point with chase young like oh okay like this is awesome but man this took a long time yeah so I'd be a little hesitant look the cj thing is stupid I understand as I'm saying that I was trying to think of like what would be a very jets move and they go we'll give them 60 million a year I mean I just think of the one that I think of here where someone could just blow a team's doors off Jeffrey Simmons with the Titans like are the Titans keep sinking

57:59out I don't think the Titans want any part of trading Jeffrey Simmons right now right he's too important he's a leader a captain Robert Saleh really values interior defensive lineman however what if somebody gets way in over their skis on it and the guys in his 30s now like do you start to look at that I think I love maybe he's late 20s still I but no he's got to be early 30s now I I love him and there was even a stretch there I would say maybe three or nine is fine nine oh is he really yeah so just nine yeah god I remember like four years ago there was a little dip and there was a talk about them maybe not wanting to resign him and that you could be available and I was like I don't know I just to me that guy plays angry and is the exact kind of guy you want on defense part final thought the colds would be another one deforeuse Buckner if they were to sink if they were like really to fall off like that's somebody who I think would be really valuable and and like somebody I think teams would at least call on you know okay last thought when I look

59:00back at the 25 college football season and we'd look at the mocks before the season starts right we'll look at the quarterback she's like all right so top 10 picks here maybe club nick number one overall not smire in the mix yeah true valor you know these are like guys there's probably a couple other names are from getting so when you start this year's college football season and you know we had McShayon you're like we can have seven guys going the first round it's like yeah maybe it'll be seven but it also could be like a completely different order of names because of how quickly it changes specifically for the draft and that kind of stuff could we see a shift even though I think we're starting to see teams as you pointed out with Jay-Jama Carthie and I pointed out in the open like it's not just that you're missing on first rounders you're reaching for first rounders more now I think than ever before and even on top of that the number one overall pick like I don't know if price young goes number one 10 years ago right I don't know if cam war does 10 years ago I don't know if mnose it does 10 years ago could there be a scenario that plays out with the team of the number one pick in 27 just says give us Jeremiah Smith we'll figure out the rest of it not impossible but I'd say unlikely because I think somebody would be desperate to come

1:00:08up and get one if there's one worth taking there you know like I just if somebody offers you three first round picks to come up and get like whatever it won't true mess to maker you know I don't know who it's going to be at this point well I'm probably a mess to maker he's down this podcast yeah like he is my mom that's right you it was it was you right that I have like yeah we had a mom like he never started in high school which I like he never he taped when they were talking about him recruiting he they were like we'll send us some tape they were like there isn't any that's freaking it's like you find a corner Brady Quinn put me on him like in the spring he was like this is the guy you want to watch and he was like people love Brady Quinn people are gonna get great queen fans on the puck yeah that's right absolutely and he was like he he was like people are gonna compare him to Tanna Hill because he's an athlete and like there's like this weird story behind him he's telling you he's got chance to be really good so yeah Brady's usually on it he was definitely ahead of the curve on that one I don't know if this is right or not but when I watch the

1:01:08mess to maker stuff this summer before you even got to Oklahoma state and it's kind of being backed up a local mistake it reminds me of like I didn't want to say David Klingler and get anybody bummed out about it but there it reminds me of those old offenses where you would be like what what is this you just Andre and Andre where exactly that's perfect where you just go I don't know if this is going to translate and back then we wouldn't even allow it to translate right now it's it's a free for all and we just talk ourselves into whatever it can be it's just shot after shot after shot of like this dude is firing yep the ball out and then on top of that like one of the knocks when I talk to somebody else about it was like he's a statue like you cannot have this guy be this a mobile and you're like actually yeah I know it's also code for white guy more athletic than you would think but he he moves around more than what people were telling me before the season started yeah especially if you're playing corner in high school right right so he was uh

1:02:08so I think he's like in the mix you know and and then in the mix you know that we're archmaning like I I think there's a divide between the way the general public talks about him and the way people in the NFL see him you know arch yeah like I just think he needs to get better at seeing and that might happen like but he needs to get better at seeing it and processing faster and getting the ball out on time more he's almost like the reverse of his uncle I think everybody wants him to be like Peyton and Eli plus athleticism the reality of it I think is he's like he's a little more like his grandfather you know like he's more of a playmaker a big athlete playing the position who like I remember like someone over the summer said like if he plays well I think the comp would be Justin Herbert like on the what just kind of like who he is coming out of college CJ Carr I think he'll be in the mix you know Don Taylor is obviously established name we all hope he's okay after what happened last weekend but I do think like like I like your premise like the Jeremiah like someone could be sitting there at one and just say screw let's take the best player I just

1:03:13if there's a quarterback who's in the neighbor like who is the level of prospect Drake May was you know um a couple of years ago I think that's enough where someone picking four or five is going to be willing to give you three first round picks to get them and so at that point it's like okay do we take Jeremiah Smith or do we take the fifth pick in the draft and then a first in 28 and a first in 29 so that's what would prevent it from happening I think there's a real chance that Jeremiah is the best player considered the best prospect in the draft but I I think the ability if you have the first overall pick and you don't want to take one of the quarterbacks the ability to trade out might prevent that from happening our rear you can read him throughout the week on SI dot com the money morning quarterback he has some news and notes that are just up a couple days ago as well and check him out with Connor or on the money morning quarterback podcasts thanks man awesome thanks Ryan the football season is heating up and every week feels bigger with draft kings the draft king sports app is now live in all 50 states that means from Texas to California to

1:04:15every fan is in on the excitement follow teams you love keep up with the biggest games and experience the excitement of football all week long no matter which game you're watching you're always connected with one out before we get to the alliance with Kyle and soruti here we'll take a look at our draft kings notes we're always looking at who is betting on what and the amount of money and the total number of bets so most money most bets are all over this new England matchup against buffalo and the rams actually have the most amount of money on their side in their matchup at Philadelphia so that one open to minus one and a half it's now minus three and a half for LA buffalo is the most the second most favorite side on this money's wise money wise minus six and a half at home against new England and then Denver in their matchup against the Niners plus two and a half that line has stayed the same as far as player props right now we get there a canary the most bet for any time TD score and then Patrick Mahomes the most bet prop two or more touchdowns

1:05:18and you can of course check all the odds on draft kings okay we're bringing the guys here all right boys what's up what's up bounce back week that's that's why I've been here all week that's what you were saying yeah I've been you just nailed it that's what that's what a lot of people have been saying I was walking around town today and they were like bounce back and I was like double B you know it Burke don't get down you know yeah okay all right we're gonna be fine so who's bored is it it's probably Kyle still these the only one with a win it's your show you should just fucking take it out of that look this is this has been a bad year plus I don't know I'm embarrassed it's been so bad not a trend just a blip you know no this is a trend this sucks I mean it's been going on like after that really hot star I was like I'll win this again and I think ever since like the midway point of 24 I mean this is this has been I'm embarrassed I may change the name of the show all right so I do

1:06:22realize why gamblers get so upset with coaches though because I'm like sitting there watching at Demiko Ryan's timeout fuck up being like so you're not gonna call a timeout dude like you're not gonna call a timeout and then you had to call a timeout so yeah that's why gamblers never forget they never forget anything it's like oh you're gonna be in the world in the way I'm saying the league is rigged too like I I wouldn't ever do that I see that stuff and I just like you know do something else all right Kyle you got I know I know I know what you're actually doing but I just shut it down I think I'm caught up in a little bit of the Yankees hype here and just all the New York stuff going on so I'm gonna take the Giants plus two and a half you know I personally went with James discord to touch down last week because that crab legs video just totally gripped me I think now he knows he's supposed to play football so I'm gonna take Giants plus two and a half home versus the Cardinals okay the feisty Cardinals I can't I can't get upset with any of your

1:07:24reasoning so let's just I don't know why people people love James he's a lecture you do yeah you you're not buying into the he's come back around he's actually cool that guy I have I've the hookline and sinker I I'm a James guy this is funny not the world cup but just in general I'm gonna go Rams minus three this was two and a half it's moved to three I still like it this is not I mean obviously not a must win week four but like one and three for the Rams like this is probably how people lose their money but I just think they're a better team to fill the healthy I think filled out you gotta expose last week and think you're gonna get a pookers back motivated Ram team so there you go yeah um if you want to do nobody's betting on New England you could go that route not one part of that going that way in my heart not bad did you see the the very least public side is the Titans plus eight and a half so or it's actually now plus ten and a half

1:08:29huh it's tempting it's tempting to just do it because I have another picker in down here it's college it's a college total over 57 and a half Florida at Mizzou I'm sewing my head right now you know what I'll just stick with the original play 40 47 be a lock 57 and a half the over Florida at Mizzou all right love that all right there you go be Alliance marches on one app every sport all 50 states new draft Kings customer side of the code Ryan spend just five bucks and get 200 total awards within 21 days includes all markets that's code Ryan RY EN in partnership with draft Kings the crown is yours gambling problem called 1 800 gambler 1 800 my reset Connecticut called 888 888 97777 visit ccpg.org on behalf of boot hill casino in Kansas that tax pass through may apply in Illinois 21 and over void in Canada bed with draft Kings sports book to get bonus bets that expire in seven days or trade with draft Kings predictions to get predictions dollars that expire in one year event contract trading involves risk of loss predictions

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1:10:34you want details by i drive a Ferrari 355 cabriolet what's up i have a ridiculous house in the south fork i have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids i am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required live advice the email address live advice are our at gmail.com i'll keep it short this guy i just jumped right into this i didn't even say hello to anyone we had a couple people chime in with their 10 year reunion stories so our guy said i'll keep it short i think this guy is wrong but i understand where he's coming from i have a super tight group of friends from high school we all have these same hesitations heading into our 10 year we're now approaching 20 is such a good decision going with such a good decision i'm not sure if my class just goes way harder than others shout out matt so wait but we rent it out of bar in San Francisco we all get absolutely ripped those five in 10 years are just dangerous

1:11:34and then the 20 year like what's wrong everyone's got so much juice in them right i mean the five you still know i forgot five years five years i've just got your fucking beer buying certificate right i mean that happened like a year or two ago at the five right right the five year you're still going out all the time it's not even a reunion you just haven't seen that guy since wednesday like exactly so um anyway the whole class my friends and i thought we would spend the whole night talking to each other the next morning the post game was just how all of us spent the whole night talking other people we had to see in a while with such a fun night just go have an absolute blast worst case scenario you get ripped at the boys also like this more fun when we just buy into things instead of being huge cynics wow that's some some heavy learning right there but i would uh i would tend to agree with him all right am i getting hazed at work 24 or five nine two hundred pounds gym stats can't float so what does that say about muscle mass means you are just especially dance dance yeah can't float to jack sorry next exercise

1:12:42i need a comp tj mcconald because my favorite player but realistically is productive as ben cemence ben's never felt better guys two time awesome long time fan first time writer i work for a company that provides support for heart surgeries within my region due to that nature i visit over five different hospitals where we act as the guest the staff that are there every day that means putting their needs first in yours last as you can imagine the social dynamics very drastically depending on the hospitals some are joking and forgiving while others are waiting for you to pull the sticks out of their asses that being said i'm just under a year into this position so the relationships are not fully set it is hard to do so when you are at a different place every day here's where the issue happened in between classes the morning coffee get the better of me and i dropped uh 10 to 15 minute number two at work all right here we go there's only one bathroom for staff that we were allowed to use given that nature i take it serious no phone sprays him for breeze leave it better than i found it

1:13:42after the deed was done i walked out and there was one of the staff texts out there waiting let's call him ben mid fifties with an unapologetic strong with unapologetic strong hard right views what's what's the fucking problem with that uh he looks pissed off and makes a comment about gassing out the place and asking about how much taco bill i had that morning before walking in i make a small joke back and went about my day not thinking twice about it i know it can be annoying having to wait for the bathroom but that's how it is it's not like i designed the place he didn't say it was an architect in the email so you're right the next week comes along i'm back at the hospital setting up around 7 a.m the first thing i hear Ben saying is hey you know what that guy's nickname is it's taco bell and you know why nickname guy he isn't his fifties he proceeded to say this to every single person in the room this went on all morning he even told the patient never in my life have i been trained for this social interaction i tried to go off pretending i didn't hear it felt like

1:14:46a little bitch in the moment it stuck with me all day i guess i could have tried owning it but the rest of the staff are middle-aged women um i'm not close with as a 24-year-old dude they took it as oh that's classic Ben now the whole staff knows he's eccentric but it still bugs me i spent so much time trying to build a reputation and then he shits on it pun intended the most frustrating thing was um he's saying it wasn't even that bad and he said trust me i know my potential uh how would you have handled the situation is it a lose-lose how do i handle this moving for because i will have to go back there the bathroom where the the work yeah well both right but i think he's referring to that it's a place of business and he'll be going there often that guy sucks first and foremost um i feel like there is like an unwritten law around us and not tell especially your company of women and this isn't like you know whatever's not like women can't handle fart and

1:15:48poop jokes but it's like hey dude like it's kind of like a thing that like hey you saw me take a shit smell bad all right it was boy if it's a habit like if this is like we're talking months of repeat offenses here like maybe this becomes a thing that you bring delight but like one time and you're gonna just make that because that actually does like people don't forget that like that's one of the most memorable things that people are gonna remember all that's the guy that blew up the bathroom where i like this guy's the name is Taco Bell and you know why it's tough to get over that so i i first of all was that guy sucks i don't mean people are just gonna forget about it the whole time at least right i don't know yeah the truth is he's way too old to be behaving this way i mean i think even a guy the emailer's age people would be like almost worse to be like god this guy's gonna be awful forever you know so i think i think he's doing the work of like everyone else becoming on your side if he's continuing to do this you know um i don't know i might i might even go like the weird high school routes like dude everyone talks about you behind your back you think you're doing something right now it's like everyone hates you because now he's an enemy and he's like it's the only thing that's going on that he can think of to bring up

1:16:51i might even just like go psychological warfare with him you know i don't i don't really know i mean because you want it to go away and he's it's not going away so i don't it's probably not the best advice but i this would get under by skin a little bit uh yeah i i think i think you guys are i don't know what the real debate would be here i mean other than we're telling this guy like hey the jerk store called and they're out of you you know like we we give this guy come back here and you know whether it's the understood rule of like what are you gonna do you're gonna tell everybody this but i also think it's like there's also this this social agreement we have when and you know somebody's drafting off you up like Daytona after you're done like what what did you think was gonna happen you know like i don't want to do this to you but like it's just science man this is what's going on so

1:17:53they're guys they're not in that too you know i throw a guy's that like just love blowing up back they don't care whatever that guy you can we had a couple of those guys that yes being back in the day and like but what we would do we wouldn't like talk about that in front of their face that we just like normal people would talk about it behind their back other people like you know like it was understood yeah it was like uh oh yeah clear out i look it sounds like bed needs an audience whether or not he's just not had to the confidence to sign up for the open mic or what you know but he's he hit you at a weak spot you know he's going for the layup material um you know he's he's he thinks he's he's got a winner here and and you're kind of like in and out and this is his domain but the chances are of like this is his routine and you use the word centric which is probably the nicest way to say super fucking annoying and does stuff like this all the time the audience knows his content and you probably don't have to worry about it all that much i mean unless you want to get even with him yeah i

1:18:57wonder if you could put up pull off a little like Dwight Jim thing where you would be Jim you know what i mean the secret service called i don't know what the equivalent of that would be for your workplace but there might be you know that might be a thing you know you get get a little one of those dynamics going on it feels like eccentric like that he might he might be hook line and sinker into a a well thought out plan there yeah i don't want to talk about this anymore i think we got it all right um this is boring sorry let's do a little air bnb here six one one seventy five player comp jody meeks yeah a little you know a little taste score with great range what was that's already in tucky right yeah great call great range became more of a spot up shooter when he went up a level until fading out when they figured out he couldn't guard anyone except instead of scc to nba this

1:19:58happened to me from middle school to high school yeah basically the same names changed the three characters that matter of myself mike and jake we are core guys to each other jake and i are single while mike's wife simply can't take off her teaching job for this year's fifth wedding we're going into a wedding in mid november for a good friend the type of wedding that brings a few overlapping core groups of fifteen to twenty guys together should be blessed important general context is that jake is a great hang we always like having him in bachelor party wedding weekends he has never contributed to the planning of any of them is the ultimate along for the ride guy which is usually fine we're from New York the wedding is in florida and the wedding wing hotel is quite expensive especially since us and most of the other guys going we're making a mini vacation out of it and staying Thursday to sunday so it was casually discussed in the three of us um we get an air bnb look at an air bnb because that would be a better option around mid august i texted both of them to officially

1:20:59get the move on looking for one and we found a great three bedroom with a quarter within a quarter mile of the hotel to which jake explained that he wouldn't be able to commit to anything until late october early november that sounds like me um his reasoning was that his parents have a rental unit in fort lauderdale and it was going to be empty the weekend of the wedding and that he even offered us to stay there as well for you charge a very nice gesture on the surface i realized the problem mike and i knew 100% and we're texting on the side that he's definitely going to want to be in the mix on the weekend actually comes there's no way he'll come out with us to watch thursday and i football play golf friday afternoon then be ubering all the way back to fort lauderdale but we booked a two bedroom air bnb anyway the type in a florida condo complex with a million rules and a lease agreement for three nights it requires all guests a relationship and ideas to be included ooo now this past week jake has rethought his stance and wants to join the air bnb with us that we booked over a month ago although the air bnb says for guests in my opinion that applies to couples taking the two bedrooms not three dudes going to a wedding with one crashing on the couch should i

1:22:03just man up and send in a special request for a third guest on jakes behalf or let him figure this out on his own i'd like to present myself to the host as a responsible adult and not be asking can my friend come to but maybe i'm overthinking it part of this is principle and part is not wanting to make an offer request to the host but maybe i'm the one overthinking it and she'll just say yeah it's fine your thoughts i'm not in the multi unit air bnb game so i don't i don't know what to say on this one kyle i think i probably guess your answer on this i think there's probably a little more bend than you think with air bnb's but man those booklets and stuff like that all the bold and underlined and you know some of the extra shit and like some of the stuff they will hammer you on because it's really up to the you know the host it's not like it's across the board so like it's hard to say and it's like some of these places there's like you know it seems like there's cameras in the backyard it's like are they just watching us play this drinking game right now what's going on so but i think if you're under the the capacity i think you probably are fine i don't think they're like well only if you're sharing the same bed you know i think that's probably okay they're

1:23:05counting you know doing a head count on the cameras you'll still make it i understand i've never felt less comfortable when i'm you know on the road than if i'm in an air bnb it does have some amenities that you can't get at a hotel but i've never felt like there's more eggshells around me than i'm when i'm with somebody else's house so i think i think you know you're not having a party in your under the the head count i think that's enough you know you can make him feel bad because you knew this was going to happen but ultimately i'd let him crash on the couch i mean the pro so you don't want to have like a bad air bnb your few rags it kind of like screws you up for the future of this thing i think honesty is kind of the best policy do you just just say hey we had an extra friend we'd like him to stay yeah you're under the wind front about this and if they say no then there's your excuse to your buddy like hey like we we tried to figure it out they said no and you know you should out of luck like unfortunately it's not going to work out and even i would even offer like hey the air bnb person like you know if they say no like maybe be flexible and be like hey we you know toss in an extra whatever per night for this guy and he chips in for that and

1:24:07everybody's kind of happy everybody gets what they want but like that's kind of your built in excuses isn't it if like you can just be honest if they say no then hey man it's out of my hands or if you kind of if you want this dude to feel like you're ready to learn best western buddy like i hope you hope you can yeah i feel like he's gonna be homeless like he's got there's probably something he could figure out yeah it's a big enough place it's it's a big town in Florida and i'm not talking about where his parents air bnb is as well but i think it's probably just a hassle to be going back and forth the entire time i i think the ultimate question is to the emailer and the other guy was a mic like what would you rather do teach him a lesson or hang out with yeah and at this stage and how close you guys are it sounds like you'd still rather hang out with him you know so are you punishing him and also kind of punishing yourself because a guy that other than him just being bad at this stuff and look there's i was terrible with this stuff back in the day be like hey you know you need to kind of like oh yeah dude no problem i'll get to you like we have a golf trip coming up here shortly like we're playing at cedar and the joke

1:25:12we know and we'll stop doing the joke it's like when is this again and it's it's next week so like i thought this was next year like didn't we already do this two years ago you know are we allowed to with covid was anyone a blonde covid like there's just the same stuff over and over again and luckily we have somebody who like takes great pride in all that goes into organizing something like this because most of us would still be terrible at it and i think our emailers here like you guys are young enough that if it were two wives in a spare bedroom and this guy screws it up and you go hey dude like our wives don't want you there or with no spare bedroom our wives definitely don't want you there on the couch the entire time like you got to grow up a little bit this is not part of it so i think there's probably i think the kiles point i don't know like our our email is probably being a little strict on the entire process of like what am i doing that's bad here you can also just say like listen if there's any fee on the back end

1:26:17i'll hunt you down for that because it's your gonna be your fault you should be kicking in anyway yeah he should be kicking in because he like what they haven't accused him of this but if his motivation were if i delay it long enough then maybe i get a free place to see if that's why he's doing it then you know i would just start hitting him with a little bit of the inconvenience tax on this going you're split into three ways and that's without a bed so right yeah there's no discount right um yeah that's probably fair let me just again though if you get dinged and get a one star it really screws up your future of bnb like prospects then i think dude could rather have the does it i think dudes would rather have the the fee at the end like i think that's what when it happened first there's like oh look this is a rule that's gonna be a two hundred dollar thing you know i think people the host would rather do that squeeze a little more out of the orange there then give you a one star you know that's right you can negotiate that be like hey if you just take it take away there the rating and i'll give you whatever and that's on your body hopefully

1:27:19yeah five weddings that's fucking crazy you haven't skipped any of them wow well when you're young and single i mean that's probably yeah i get single but i just never get that i got so sick of the katelyn Clark question i like by the way my buddy i need to clear it's a way to not six two uh six foot um and i think he was a little on the heavier side did maybe play like middle school hoops are you talking about me right now yeah there's just some confusion in the group chat people being like hey this guy's not six two like all right my bad seems tall all right um here we go five ten one fifty five former college cross player i have a home gym so no impressive gym stats to report but i have taken 13 hundred peloton strength classes 300 plus

1:28:24run classes 250 bike classes guys getting our movements in play lacrosse and hockey growing up some i pick up basketball comp maybe the kid at the end of the bench on a college basketball team since 2020 i've spent five dollars and eighty eight cents at one fat fast food restaurant and i've gotten roughly nine hundred and fifteen dollars worth of free food hmm here's the story i got a breakfast sandwich from this restaurant 2020 after that i downloaded the app and they had promos where i felt like i was getting more free stuff than i normally would then i took it up a level i started leading compliments or complaints on basically every item i ordered and found that they would often reload my account with new free food eventually figured out that certain types of feedback seem to work better than others so i started leaning into that this is like adam sanler with the putting lids um this continued for years i've now racked up roughly two hundred free items worth more than nine hundred dollars i've kept a meticulous spreadsheet tracking every free item and its value when i get a reward with multiple options i will often

1:29:24pick up the most expensive item available because at this point i want to extract as much free value as possible the moral dilemma is that i disagree with the company's corporate views toward a certain group of people but i can also usually afford to pay for the food i'm doing this because i need the savings in fact i'm going to eat there anyway i'm probably the exact type of person who's just paid for the food at the same time i genuinely enjoy beating their system i'm a rule follower and basically ever the every other aspect of life so there's something about finding this little loophole that i enjoy that i really enjoy the food is also delicious as i approach a thousand dollars in free food i'm contemplating whether i want to continue doing this forever so my question is should i stop once i hit one thousand of free food and call it even if i keep going indefinitely at one point is getting free food from a company whose values i disagree with become hypocritical it's good to have a goal you know i think if i think it's good to have a something you're working towards a thousand i mean what is the cost here like how much do you think about it i know it's kind of funny to hand it up in the email but it sounds like it might be actually creeping into his head

1:30:28what was that other email we had of the guy that was steeman remember that's gonna bother me now it was very similar to the guy spicy tuna just walking around with it he was stealing food that guy no that was the guy that we used to like get he used to get little wins on things oh yeah and he was like it my one's there it's like bothering my friends and i'm caught you know right he's he's everything's down to like chips per ounce or you know i were like you know pennies per ounce of everything so and we well anyway the moral story was like we were like dude don't tell anyone that i would just i would say the same thing here like if you want it this seems like a victim was crime you want to keep doing this like all right i like cool um just you know don't let it like don't don't get too much into a rabbit hole where it's like your entire personality it kind of feels like it's leaning that way he's making spreadsheets man well maybe some people were just like that sometimes you just don't have enough control of your life and it's good to control something you know so if that's if that's where you are and that's your outlet i think that's harmless i would work kid fixes a lot of problems you know like oh i never knew you wanted to have kids but like well i can be honest you wasn't

1:31:34i didn't really want any but god you know it's a lot of stuff i don't care about anymore yeah it's a huge relief hopefully i do a good job but i just would keep this one yourself and by the way if you don't align with their corporate values or whatever their values are i feel like i can kind of guess what this is i like isn't like if you don't like what the company's about isn't this the ultimate win for you to be able to do this yeah you figured this thing out and you only got six days a week to do it sounds like yeah i got to guess though like how good is the food here if you're just leaving a compliment it's like all right here's a petite filet i don't think that's happened i'll be not figured it out yet too like that's kind of insane also is it healthy i guess there's no way this is healthy so do you want to keep eating this food all the time there's ways to make it healthy i think dude one day you're gonna have you're gonna make more money than you are right now and this will matter less and less but if you're if you're you know in a certain category i don't think

1:32:34there's anything wrong with you know i know some guys just about the action yeah it's not about some guys never lose it but other guys will you know habits are weird man habits can be very very because because then when you break a bad habit you'll be like i can't believe that's what i did you know so maybe you'll have that clarity one day but it doesn't sound like it's coming anytime soon and we didn't tell you to stop necessarily either here so um but yeah maybe get on the dating it we give some of the food away then you could like robin hood this whole thing build a family may find some interests some other things you're passionate about i love flyfish yeah look at some rods with some nice entry-level stuff from orvis available now that'll do it for the show thanks tom kevin kyle and soruti all of our episodes available on netflix ryan russillo that's me this is my show barstrel sports

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