Exploring Art and the Paranormal with Danielle Draik - Where Did The Road Go?

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1:05Thank you so much for helping make this show possible. Transmissions die. Welcome to, where did the road go? Join us as we wander off the path and explore lost history, consciousness, the paranormal, unexplained mysteries, alternative thought, and much more. We are present on the web at wheretotheroadgo.com. Now here is your host, Saraya. Welcome to this edition of Where Did The Road Go? And this week I have joining me, Danielle Drake. And yes, your first time here. And you're going to be doing something that is applied locally to this show in the Ethica area. But you also have other stuff we're going to talk about. But do you want to talk about that first?

2:05My name is Danielle Drake and I'm a visual multi-needial artist from Queens, New York. I was accepted to the Constance-Salt and Stalk Artist Foundation for an artist residency in October this year. So all of my work generally is a self- unexplained phenomena, be it my own or people that come and talk to me or things that I read. And I will be doing a project that I pitched to them, making a series of artwork based off of local unexplained stuff for, be it contemporary experience or the frictions or the art. I was at the History Center in their archives for some of the local local folklore. And it's been really interesting, Saraya. I'm really excited to get my hands dirty. And you have collected stories from local people and you did say Connecticut Hill has one of the highest amount of stories. So that's not surprising to me.

3:06In the whole area is just full of weird stuff but Connecticut Hill seems to be a focal point. And I found when you are collecting stories or speaking to people, especially in a certain area of geographical area, you do get here and there stories and then they kind of drop off. But I've found for the Finger Lakes region, it doesn't stop. It's a bit more prevalent than I'm used to. Well, that's good. You've got plenty of stuff to work with. Yes, yes I do. And explain to people what this is that you're going to be doing this residency. Sure. So an artist residency is basically, there's a set amount of time that you can go to a physical location and either collaborate with other artists or work academically with other artists or just work on your own practice. So when I applied to Salt and Stahl, I pitched this project and then I gave them examples

4:10of my own work and thankfully it seems that the tides are turning. People want to see more artwork and media about unexplained phenomena. It's invoked right now. Hmm. Yeah. Well, I think over the last like three decades, two and a half decades, it's become more and more acceptable. Yeah. Initially from reality shows like Ghost Hunters and Ancient Aliens and now because of like the whole disclosure movement as much as I'm not particularly a fan of it, it definitely has made it more, it's reduced the ridicule factor. So people are a little more willing to talk about things. Yes. And how long have you been doing this type of thing? I've been hair and normally inclined for my whole life. That's what I kind of call it. But I've been working in this regard since around 2013, working professionally in an artist's sense. Okay. And also give people your website right up front here so they can go check it out.

5:10Sure. It is Daniel Drake.com. Drake, D-R-A-I-K. And I'm also art of D Drake on most social media platforms. Okay. Yeah. You have a link to, I know your Instagram on the website and I feel like there's a couple others, right? Yeah. Yeah. So as you've been collecting these stories, do you find any commonalities in this area? I've been getting a few triangle sightings, which I will say are my favorite personally and a lot of orbs. Orbs are kind of a common sighting that you see, especially right now. If we're looking at it kind of on like a timeline of what types of craft sightings you see, I think orbs are kind of the hot shape right now. So I got a lot of orbs. I've got some triangles. I've been talking to a few sensitive people, so some people with mediumship qualities. There are a few hauntings, but mostly historical.

6:15That's really interesting. I have been in contact with the local Ithaca historian and she's given me a reported haunted house. So that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I said, the whole upstate area is just, I mean, twist, streamer had his experiences. It's where Mormonism started. It's the not what were the sisters there and spirit that started spiritualism. Some some cold, some free love cults in the United Silver Coast. Right. Yeah. So it's, I mean, there's so much stuff. The Seth material was channeled here. And it's an Ithaca in particular. There is a particular monastery there. And from what I understand, it's considered one of the most powerful spots on the planet. It's really interesting. And judging from the number of things I've experienced here, I would say that's not surprising. But I really appreciate talking with me about the things you're doing. I also wonder how much of it is just how the area formed, you know, like a geological

7:16makeup that maybe adds to it. What would you say you think adds to it specifically, like limestone or the glacial type of stuff, but also the, all the fault lines, you know, because they store electricity. And I think a lot of this stuff has to do with electricity in some way, shape, or form. And just like, you know, you're saying orbs, like my thing forever has been like, if someone sees a light in the house, they're like, oh, it's a ghost. They see it in the sky. They're like, oh, it's aliens. They see it in the woods. They're like, oh, it's, it's the fai. You know what it's like, but all of its lights lights are like one of the most common things you see in all of these phenomena. And I mean, that's, it's one of those things that when you take that and basically poltergeist phenomena, and you find it across the board. So I think environmental stuff, as well as cosmic stuff, like whether or not we're being hit with solar activity or possibly, you know, something from somewhere else in the galaxy or somewhere else in the galaxy or whatever, probably also has an effect of when

8:17this stuff happens. I only recently realized a whole batch of my experiences happened during some of the highest solar activity of the 20th century. Oh, that's really interesting. And I've noted it, but I didn't, I didn't really look into it. And then I looked into it and I'm like, oh, this was actually really significant solar activity. So people will be able to come and see your artwork. Yeah. So on October 18th, we'll be having an open house and people can come to the foundation, unless we're moving it offside. I don't think the venue is particularly clear yet, but they'll be able to see the work that I've done. I will probably bring some older work to and they'll be able to talk to me there. How have people reacted in the past to the artwork you've made of their experiences? Mostly good. Okay. I, you know, for the most part, I've had people reach out to me rather than me reaching out to them. So this project and this foundation, this, the foundation is actually Nyska Funded, which

9:20is the New York State Council for the Arts. So it's really nice that I'm being given an opportunity in order to pivot this kind of practice that I've been doing and kind of open up in sort of a legitimate or more legitimate way rather than me just putting my artwork on the internet and having people reach out to me saying, you know, that they've seen similar things. So generally good. I generally get, you know, decent and interested people speaking with me. I have had some issues with folk, which is I guess part of the course of being, you know, someone on the internet. So you know, there is, there is always that in the back of your mind. For the most part, it's opened me up to a community of people that is, it's great. Well, I mean, specifically like if you've done artwork about someone's experience, what is the general reaction you get from them when they see your art?

10:21Oh, it's generally very good. And, you know, I don't, I'm not extremely derivative either. Like I will do say a craft or something that somebody has seen, but you know, how many people have also seen that craft, but also how am I breaking it down in an artistic sense where this is a symbol that people gravitate towards and then potentially see, you know, the physicality of the experience is, you know, left up to discussion. So generally it has been good and it opens up more conversations too. Yeah. And you've had experiences of your own. And you've done art on some of those? Uh, yes, here and there. I have definitely put in silently my own experiences into my work. Do you feel like that helps you like understand it? Yeah, you know, I feel like I feel that if I were coming at the topic from an outsider standpoint, not that that's not legitimate or anything, but I think people trust me more

11:25with their stories because I have my own stories. They don't think I'm going to disregard them or scoff at them. Right. Yeah. So what kind of experiences have you had? Well, like I said, I've come from a paranormal inclined family. So my whole family has kind of had experiences throughout my whole life. And so I've lived in pretty hot places and I've lived in places with no activity. So I've had, you know, some physical movement of things I've had, I've had, uh, aberrations that I've seen. Um, I've also had, you know, your, your light sightings, um, your shadow sightings. Um, and, um, yeah, of course, uh, I know you and I were talking about that, uh, things that go missing for no explanation whatsoever. Yup. And it's not just because I'm forgetful. Um, but, uh, yeah. I've had, I've had a strong gamut, but I will say I've had no UFO activity.

12:30Hmm. Well, do you want to talk about the app works? Because I know that was pretty interesting. Sure. Um, and it also had to deal with art too. So that's, that's pretty good. Um, so I, uh, I had a studio in a basement and, um, you know, other people had access to the area, but for no reason whatsoever would they be going through my, my things. Um, so I had just purchased a material that I was very excited to use. I had saved up for it. I had been itching to use it for a while. So there was kind of an energetic feeling towards this if we want to put that factor into it. Um, I had, I had, I had all my materials in a bag specifically that would zip up and, uh, you know, this was, it had a lot of expensive materials. So again, nobody would be touching this. Um, and as soon as I was ready to use it, it had vanished and it had vanished for three years. Um, I tore the place apart looking for it.

13:33Um, and also, uh, uh, eventually, uh, after the story ends, I want to say that if you open this material and, and use it, it dries out very quickly. So the shelf life of this went open is very short. Yeah. Um, so three years later, I had opened up my bag and it was sitting right on top of the pile of paint. And I had painted a lot, you know, uh, during that, that three years. So, um, that was interesting. It's also one of my favorite things to use now. I have re-bought it after I had used that. Um, but yeah, that's, that's sort of impossible. Yeah. Like it jumped forward in time. It, you know, it's, it's not one of my most stand out, uh, experiences, but it was definitely, uh, it made no sense whatsoever. Um, and I, I wonder, uh, what exactly, um, would be the reasoning behind that, uh, if there was any intelligence taking it away from me, um, yeah, critic, non-human critic.

14:37I don't think I like what she's doing with this. I'm going to throw it three years into the future. Fine. You should got it back. Well, it's not a back, yeah. Um, well, I was very happy to have it back, but I was also very pissed. That's understandable. Um, but I mean, like, I guess it's, it's also better than someone had stolen it. Yes, that's very true. Uh, so, so what are some of the more visceral things that have happened? Um, well, when I was a teenager, um, I lived in an apartment that, uh, was very active it is the most active place I've ever lived in. Um, unbeknownst to me, um, when my family and I were moving into the place, uh, the landlord had told us that there was activity and then told my parents they didn't share that with me. Um, because I had, uh, experiences in other places as well. Um, I also want to preface that I have, uh, since the family is apparently inclined,

15:40we've always believed one another when we've seen our, or experienced something and try to figure out if we could explain it. That's good. Yeah, I, I'm very lucky for that. Um, so, uh, one of the more visceral experiences, uh, I've had doors swing open, latched doors, swing open, door knobs turned, uh, cups moved in patterns that are impossible. Um, and I, at some movement of objects have been seen by other people. So, uh, that is also validating. I mean, you're not the only person seeing it. Um, there was an apparition, uh, there were voices. It was a, it was a very active apartment and it was interesting to that, like, when it happened, there was that feeling that a lot of people describe of, um, you don't care, uh, you know, it's happening. You're, you're seeing it happen. It is frightening, but you kind of just rolls off of it. Um, and I'm glad that that's how I approach this now.

16:42Um, I, I, now that I think that I'm doing work on it and I wouldn't call it looking for it. But I'm certainly not, you know, not looking for it. Right. Uh, I think, uh, I think it doesn't want to play. Well, it, it does, what was that? A little bit, just a little bit. It does tend to be a trickster. So, you know, yeah. Um, I don't know that most people's response is to let it slide off them. Um, I mean, sorry, depending on what it is, like, maybe a door opening, yeah, but like, a lot of people get really freaked out by this stuff. I'm, so that's kind of a little bit after I think the shock wears off or what I've heard is that you, you have the sighting, especially like a craft sighting. And then you're like, oh, okay. And then it hits you a little later on. Well, there's also those cases where people experience something, you know, like, they wake up, they have an experience and then they just go back to sleep. Yeah. And I know that's happened to me before and it's weird because you think, how did I just

17:42go back to sleep? So I, that's, yeah, that's always been, it's been an odd thing. But I mean, I think people's responses to this stuff vary. I've seen people who have experienced stuff with me really lose, lose it when stuff happens. Yeah, it's not even like shock. They're just out and out scared. My one friend used to say that if you ever saw me running from something, he'd be rubbing, running double speed. Because to me, it just, it happens. And I'm like, okay, especially now because I've had so much, none of it feels threatening. That's kind of, well, how active the place I lived in was, was a little, you know, concerning. But nothing I've experienced has been threatening thus far. Knock on one. And you said you've experienced shadow people? I've experienced shadows. When I was very young, I had a lot of shadows and that was kind of part of the course for other family members.

18:43Okay. And you didn't get a bad feeling from that either? Not necessarily. Okay. You don't see anything like that more recently. I live in a place now. So the last like three places I've lived in have been dead quiet. But where I live now, being in New York and you move a lot, it seems like it's a bit, things come and go. They don't, they don't hang around. I was seeing lots of lights and shadows and I'm going to be honest. I was like, well, I'm getting older. So maybe my vision's kind of not great anymore. But I live across the hall from someone who's lived in the building their whole life. And without prompting, she was like, we were talking and she's like, you know, I'm a little witchy. And I was like, oh, yeah. What do you think this place is haunted at all? Like what do you think? And she explained everything and she's like, now my daughter is seeing it too.

19:46And I was like, okay, cool. Good to know. Good to know. So did she think it was haunted or just a weird spot? It's a weird spot, which was also I've had friends over who are sensitive and they feel the same way. It's kind of, we call it the way station. I don't know why that is. There could be a multitude of reasons. Maybe the building is just covered in wire and electrical wires and spectrum has been, spectrum internet is just fly around everywhere. Who knows? Could be just a huge Faraday cage. Who knows? But, yeah. It's on. I've had some great significant work sightings in there. But, you know, what I always say is like, if you're not paying rent, get out of my apartment. So I encourage it. I want it to do things. Is it paying rent? It doesn't need to pay rent. It just has to do cool stuff or be helpful.

20:47So what are the kind of experiences of you had? That's about kind of the full gamut. I mean, I've had, and I've done a project on some astral projection experiences that I've had. Okay. In my family, I come from a line of dowsers. So that's really interesting. We're originally from the Hudson Valley. So it's like Queens and the Hudson Valley. And so my father's side is the sensitive side. And that is the family of dowsers at mediums and psychics. And then my grandmother, also my father's side. So his mother has had multiple near-death experiences. And there was, I did a project of that, coupling it with, you know, what kind of trauma that does to the person. And the family and paranormal activity that happened after she had died for the final time. Wow. Okay. And I know you said you were looking into the Monroe Institute, gateway stuff, right?

21:51Yeah. The concept of methods of meditation in order to contact entities is pretty interesting. Because it kind of brings the power back to the person for a multitude of reasons. So I also like looking at the gateway process. It's kind of like a contemporary American occultism more type. Like, I know we have CE5 too, which apparently people at the Monroe Institute have been also doing CE5, which I recently found out. But the concept is really interesting. And especially how gateway was utilized for wartime, or there was an attempt. I appreciate the appropriation of government funding into spooky projects. I very much appreciate that. Then also just kind of the seeking out, you know, kind of hidden knowledge from an entity

22:52and making contact. And usually you hit kind of a trickster entity that's kind of like, I mean, that's folklore. Like, you go looking for answers and you've found them. Don't go looking for them. But Robert Monroe contacted a very benevolent entity. So like we have the gateway process, but later when you go into it, E was channeling, or one of his explorers was channeling a benevolent entity that helped him kind of set up all of the focus levels. And it was a very helpful and benevolent entity. So that's interesting too. I really enjoy that as a story, but also as, you know, people go to the Monroe Institute all the time. And with a resounding, resounding success for them in whatever regard. Not to say that, you know, that's going to be like the story for everyone, of course. It's just interesting. You don't really hear about people contacting benevolent entities without

23:56there being some sort of price. So yeah, I am practicing a little bit myself, not too too much, but kind of at the researcher standpoint and also like looking at it as kind of this American cultural phenomenon. Right. Yeah. Have you had any success with it? No, I'm not looking to contact entities. But I, yes, generally, you do notice some altered states. Okay. All right. And the CE5 stuff, I mean, I think anytime you're doing stuff like that, it has the potential to work. But I also see someone like, who's the main guy who does it? Yeah, Greer. Yeah, Greer almost comes across like a used car sales. And I've seen, I've seen him, you know, be like every like the sky is basically a UFO when they're doing CE5. And it's like, okay, well, I mean, maybe that helps people believe and actually manifest these things, but also does he really think that or is he just trying to sell it like that? The comparison that I see with like, okay, so now we're looking at two, I would call

25:02them contemporary American occult practices. That's what this is. It's a deep, trans-like meditative process for occult purposes. So you have the gateway process, which is very well put in air quotes, ritualistic. And you know, you go into it kind of cleansing yourself, protecting yourself, and then seeking answers. And then CE5 to me is like, going outside with a flashlight, you're going to fucking talk to me. So it's a bit hubrisic. But you know what? It gets results. So like, you can't knock it. I can knock it a little bit. But yeah, it's very interesting. And I am excited to explore it a little bit more from a kind of folklore standpoint. What I forgot what was going to ask. It was something about the CE5.

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28:14And they took away his ex, I don't know, his exorcist license. I don't know what they told him he couldn't do that anymore, which is, I think it was Syracuse. But I mean, that's not a, and he was a Catholic priest too. You usually get that kind of weird obscure kind of dissent from Jesuits. In any case, yeah, I think it was in Syracuse. It was definitely in New New York State. I'm vaguely familiar with that, but I don't remember any details. The thing that I think the thing with the aliens being demons is kind of structured off the hypnosis stuff that people like Bud Hopkins and them did where they're treating these things like they're coming in and they're, you know, they're abducting people against their will rather than this being a spiritual process where these things are trying to interact with people. And I think once you see it in a negative light, it's hard to see it any other way. I, you know, in my camp for whatever that's worth, like I have encountered people who have had tons of negative experiences and

29:20that I've encountered with people that have positive experiences. Yeah. So I can't fault someone who experiences trauma. I mean, anytime someone's talking to me about this, especially from a trauma standpoint, I believe them. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, I hate to say that Bud and David Jacobs, it's problematic as they are. I ate up their work. And it was very interesting to me when I started really researching the phenomenon. But, you know, that being said, like, what has that done to kind of the collective unconscious of the phenomenon in general? Yeah. I think I'm reiterating what you just said to me. It's put like blinders on it for one thing. You know, like we see it, like I said, you know, we see lights and all this stuff. We see pull the guys to activity and all this stuff. But you'll get like a UFO encounter and then a bigfoot encounter.

30:23And the people researching it are only interested in the thing they're researching. And instead of being like, why are these two things happening at the same time? Yeah. I know I had small town monsters. I can't remember his name. At a month for one of his bigfoot movies. And I said, so any UFO sightings when this flap was happening. And he, you know, he was more of a flesh and blood guy. And he was very hesitant to admit that, yeah, right across the road from the house that was getting most of the activity, a UFO came down, burned a circle into the yard. And I'm like, you know, think that's, you think that's just a coincidence? But I think most of this research for most of its existence in modern, you know, studies has been very siloed. Yeah. And there are a lot of people who are like tried and true cryptosoologists. And they do not like to mention the UFO phenomenon. And you know, the umbrella of a lot of the sightings that were in kind of like along the I-95, like in West Virginia, both Mothman and like

31:26Flatwoods. And then some other monster sightings. Like they do get lumped in, like with the, you know, UFO phenomenon. And there were sightings of craft or, you know, UAP sightings during that time. And it's not really talked about. It's a little ridiculous. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, Mothman, Mothman had it all, really. I think, I mean, one of my theories, which takes a while, I had a whole show on it at one point, is that we know from side research and labs that stuff can move backwards in time, especially emotionally charged stuff. And I think that bridge collapse sent back a mass of sigh energy that some, that cause some people to have dreams, you know, because they saw pleasant, you know, things floating in the presence, floating in the river and stuff. And other people just had what amounted to pulpitagrised activity. It set off, either it's set off things for them, or it pooled in an area that something else was able to take advantage of that energy.

32:27Because you see it stop as soon as the bridge collapses. And so it's like, if it's moving backwards and it's that strong, and you already have, you know, kill use to say these people are very psychically attuned to begin with, you know, I think that this was, like, basically, it was this mass of sigh energy created by this trauma in the future. And it makes sense to all the research we know about as far as like science stuff goes. The Dr. Bamm, who I think is still in Cornell, when he did his, the study that got called foreign predicts or approves psychic abilities or whatever, he was showing images of violence and pornography at random to people, regular people. And he would see a spike in their brainwaves before the image was even chosen, but only by a fraction of a second. But these were just images. So the fact that they were picking up on it before they were shown the image, and it was replicated and peer reviewed and everything else is significant because it's saying that these these strong emotional things are having, I mean, they're being detectable in the past because the brain reacts to those images. So I think, you know, even something

33:29like a banshee might be something that is projected backwards. It's trauma that goes backwards in time that the person picks up on, but can't quite translate. So you get a giant bath. I mean, because we know something like a moth man can't be a flesh and blood creature. I mean, realistically, you know, a lot of these monsters, even bigfoot in a lot of areas couldn't survive. Have you, have you, you've never had any cryptid sightings? Have you? No, cryptid sightings. I wouldn't call queens a big cryptid hospital. Yeah, but you put out other places than queens. I would say, I would say the if I were to see a weird monster in New York City, I would just be like, okay, all right. That's a guy in a costume. Yeah. We were going over a book that like listed where all the UFO sightings happened each year as a reporter to move on. That was surprised how many UFO sightings New York City had. It was by far the highest in the

34:31I think weans was one of the highest areas. And that's interesting to me because I would think with all the light pollution, it would be hard to spot a UFO. Yeah, I think the only one that I can recall off the top of my head was there was a sighting in Chelsea, I think. In Chelsea, Manhattan was in 2013. I believe maybe maybe maybe 2011, but I didn't see that personally. I know that Long Island is pretty active. Yeah, I've had friends see things Long Island on Long Island. But queens, no. We have a significant amount of cemeteries in Queens and Brooklyn, but I would call them more beautiful than thin. Okay, so what do you say thin? What do you think is happening in these places? Like thin places. You know, I know there's that theory of what is it the 37th parallel or like kind of the lay lines. I know that there's like you said fault lines or what's very

35:38info right now, liminality. There are some places where the gut, the senses are heightened. Do I know exactly what happens in a thin place besides the body reacting and the mind reacting? The gut feeling that you get in some of these places is notable. Yeah. Yeah, I guess when I hear thin, it feels different from the way you just described it. What's your definition? If I hear thin, I would say that it's a place where the world's touch more versus the way you described it, which is a place that makes us more sensitive. I know. I think your description is probably more accurate. I don't think maybe it peaks something, because I do kind of believe that we all have this sense. It's just you know, you got to practice it or you got to listen to it. You got to listen to your gut and that goes for a lot of things, not just the paranormal. Very true. Yeah, so I think when you

36:48open yourself to kind of, I don't want to call it reading a room, but entering a space and letting your body tell you how you feel, I think that's it. So when you enter this kind of in space, which worlds are touching or dimensions are touching or what have you, whatever, your inner sense will peak, your animal, the animal of your body will hone in on it. I mean, that's yeah, it's probably a little bit of both. Because we don't know where this stuff is coming from that we're witnessing. If it's just something that our brain is projecting because it doesn't know what else to do with the information it's getting, or if it's something that is normally invisible to us, or if it's something coming from somewhere outside of our reality. I think it's a little of all three. Probably. Yeah. I'm always of the all of these are probably true type of camp. Like there's so much stuff like if you're looking at ghost encounter and it's like, oh, it's

37:51a spirit of a dead person. Yeah, in some cases, but other cases it might be a recording. Other cases, it might be a spirit mask rating as that. It might be something we've created because our belief in the place is haunted and we get a weird vibe from it and repeated people have now created a tolpa. So I think there's a lot there that we just don't understand what we're capable of much less what else is out there. Yeah. Why are you fascinated with the triangles? So my work is it is all about kind of language and visual language and kind of the semiotics of how we can project a message through time and through culture and how is there there's kind of a unifying element to a lot of shapes and design elements and all of all. Anyway, the circle,

38:51the square and the triangle are basic design elements and they span their cross culture on the expand time and they are so full with energy. This is sounding a little woo. But the circle is is a beautiful shape. The circle is active receiving cordola and the square is the rectangles grounding and the triangle is just this active commanding imposing shape and these ideas are not you know just coming from me and my my love of shape. It's spanning through humans, species, history. So now we you know there's disc craft, there's orbs, there's rectangular craft, there's triangular craft. To see this imposing triangle in the sky and especially with you know

39:52angular kind of phenomena, it's imposing, it's beautiful, it's terrifying and why if this thing is intelligent, why is it choosing you know one shape over another and why do humans see the triangular craft and it's it's fearful, it's fearful. And there's a lot of like negative phenomena around it too. I really love the triangle as a shape as a design concept as as this imposing language, this figurehead. So I gravitate towards that more when I'm building out work. I have been getting more into the discs. I do find them very interesting. I've been reading more about Kenneth Arnold Kenneth Arnold was the one of the first sightings of the disc. But what I recently found out is that he experienced hitchhiker effect him and his family after that for his whole life. Oh yeah,

40:55he also didn't see discs. He saw boomerangs. Why do we always see it at the disc? So he described the boomerangs as like like saucers like like yeah like a social eat off of skipping across the water. And so the newspapers then described it as a flying saucer, but they were actually boomerang shape. So then that that you know, then that permeates like what people are seeing. Yes. So that goes into the lower. That's that's super interesting. And so anyway, just seeing an imposing shape in the sky is the terrifying concept. It's a mind-breaking concept. It's an ontological shot. Yeah. So yeah, triangles are great. And I wonder how many of them are ours? That's always my issue with triangles. And there's no way to know because we don't really know

41:56what we have. Have you found a lot of old encounters with triangles when you've been looking for them? Yeah. So I'm reading Triangular UFOs, an estimate of the situation by David Merler. Let me book this up a little bit. So I recently joined the UFO book club. It's on Blue Sky through a user, the anomalous Jen. And she's reviving the UFO book club that was apparently on Twitter back in the day. So every month we've been reading a new book and man, this book is just not going to get it out of the park. Yeah, David Merler. Okay. I would say this is one of the best UFO books I've read in a long time. It's very like analytical, straightforward. Here's a bunch of experiences. And yes, there are a lot of historical experiences. So I think the earliest one is in the late 40s. And then it's like 50, 60, 70s and then kind of a boom. And it's there's a lot of American

43:00sightings. But then there's a lot of UK sightings. There's I think some in France and I think some in the Southern hemisphere. So he's collecting a ton of them. It's a really good book. I'm not through it with it yet. And we have our meeting on Sunday. And I got it, I got to get through that because I want the book. But yeah, it's really good. And there are historical sightings, which is a treat to read about. Yeah, a lot of sightings where the the triangle then appears as a rectangle, which is super cool. So it's like shape shifting. As it is traveling throughout the sky, as people are witnessing it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it's great. I think it's safe to say that in the 40s and 50s, we probably didn't have these things. Yeah, I would think that was the new concept. I mean, unless there's a breakaway civilization out there, I'm going to say that our culture did not did not have these things. And yeah, that is a very primal symbol, the triangle, the circle square. I mean, obviously very basic.

44:05There was a, yep, gonna try and remember a name. And so my brain won't give it to me. Book is the other side of truth. Paul Kimball. His idea was that the other is it's one singular thing and that all these manifestations are just its art project. And it's basically putting on theater for us. I like the concept. I don't know if it's right, but I definitely like the concept. I mean, this stuff really does speak in the same language that art does. Yeah, that's why I think going at esoteric practices and the way that I'm doing, because like, I am a researcher. This is very interesting. I have a background in this from childhood, but like I'm an artist. And I'm trying to do this somewhat professionally where it allows me to, you know, do the woo. I say that lovingly with my whole heart and soul. But what tangent can I just get off of? Looking at the phenomenon, especially because you have to, well, what is a Jeffrey Kriple call?

45:06Think it possibly. You have to kind of break what you know in order to even conceive of something that like you have no kind of rubored for. It's just happening. And I think coming at it from an artistic standpoint, from a creative standpoint and creativity is primal. So coming at it from like, your bare bones way of experiencing world is it's a holistic practice. And I think it's a very important way to conceptualize this and then go forward. Yeah. Yeah. Less analytical more holistic. Because we got tons of data. The data doesn't really tell us much. And I'm not knocking data. The data is incredibly important. Absolutely. We need, yeah, it needs to be a holistic practice. And thankfully, like we are working so loud and we need to do that. It's also a lot about how, you know, people take these reports down, you know, regardless of what what particular phenomenon it is. But they don't look to see like what effect that this have on the person long term. Yeah. You know,

46:06they were what was going on in their life at the time. Yeah. It's just, oh, here's your report. Okay, raw data, which is great. But now also you're leaving out the witness. Yeah. It was. Sorry. Go ahead. There's, well, that was kind of the concept of the the area of school documentary where they had all this data like a John Mac collected all that data correct. Like they go as drunk. And but the children left school like families were torn up. Like it changed your trajectory of all of these people's lives. And like we need outside of the phenomenon proper, like you have to focus on what this does to the human being and how human beings mind processes all of it. And it's happening so often that it's it's neglectful to not focus on that. Yes, absolutely. I'm trying to think of his name because name, my brain does this with names. If I need a name, it won't give it to me, but it'll give it to me later on. Bidden. I understand.

47:08Tyson who took over for for say, and who just put out his UFO book. I can't remember the rest of his name. He's the big media guy that everyone goes to for like astronomy and stuff. Part of his name is Tyson. I can't remember the rest of it. Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Yes, thank you. So I was watching an interview with him and he was talking about how he doesn't care about witnesses because witnesses are unreliable. Memory is unreliable. Perception is unreliable. He's like the witnesses therefore he goes, I don't even think witnesses should be used in court cases. I think witnesses are useless in this stuff. And I'm thinking you don't get it. It's all about the subjective experience. The way dark you pay the air. Yeah, it was very materialistic. It's the this must be space aliens. So if it's space aliens, you know, we need hard, you know, he kept saying, well, show me the alien. And it's like, okay, I agree with the disclosure stuff. If you have something show it because you've been, you know, doing the carrot on the string thing for a decade now. Well, longer than that to be fair.

48:09But like when it comes down to someone's experience, it is what they experience and what they got out of it. Not whether or not you can physically prove that it was aliens. And again, this is where I think the hypnosis stuff does damage because it can create false memories. And it can it can change the way the person views the experience from being an unknown to being necessarily something negative, especially if the researcher thinks it's something negative. I have a very complicated opinion on hypnosis. Like, well, for piling data and trying to down to brass tags, like it's incredibly problematic. But if someone isn't really looking for answers and they're just looking to get over the trauma, I think in a therapeutic sense, like, I can't knock it because it helps other people. But I, if it works for others. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Like, you can't take the day, you can't take it as data. If it, if it lets you process the experience better, that's an entirely different

49:14thing, hopefully in a positive way instead of a negative way. But that also opens up some dialogue about psychedelic use and the experience is coming from psychedelic use. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I was just going to say hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness. Yeah. There is, I think Brent Reins talks about it. And I, it might have been a junk heel thing initially. I just remember Brent talking about it in one of his books. Psychiatrist had hypnotized a UFO abductee. And at some point they said, there's a UFO outside right now. And so they got up and went outside and there was a UFO over the building. And so like, that's one of those things where you go, what? Okay. So did they connect with that thing? Like Red Pill junkie has suggested that maybe under hypnosis, people aren't reliving an experience, but actually having the experience. Because they're in an altered state of consciousness. And depending on how good the psychotherapist or whatever, and it's really shouldn't be done by just amateurs, honestly. We'll determine how well that goes for them.

50:14So we got to take a quick break. We'll be right back with Danielle Drake. Rick Mitchell break here. Contact info, which is where did the road go.com for everything, including becoming a Patreon for only $3 a month and getting episodes week-serly commercial free with extra Patreon segments on almost every show and extra bonus stuff on top of all of that. And you can find all our social media there, discord everything. Where did the road go.com and merch? I never mentioned the merch, but there are merch. There's t-shirt designs from Timothy Renner and the late Jeff Ritzman all up there as well as all kinds of other stuff you can get it on. As for recommendation this week, I am going to go with a book called Fractal Noise. And Fractal Noise is the prequel to a book I recommended before, which is to sleep in a sea of stars. Now it's not as good as the original, the first book. To sleep in a sea of stars is an epic,

51:16insanely big story, and I love it to death. This is sort of a different type of story. It's very focused. It's very bleak. And it seems like when I'm looking up what other people thought of it, they either loved it or hated it. There's not a lot in between. It's a, as I said, it's a prequel. They referenced the events in this book in to sleep in a sea of stars. And it's written by Christopher Peiolini, that came out in 2023. And it's the second book in his Fractal verse. I guess it's going to be called. And he's going to continue. I was a little upset that it didn't continue the story of to sleep in a sea of stars because it weaves off for the next part. And he is going to write that apparently. But yeah, this one, this one's dark. It's, it's, it's, it's, I thought it was really good. I don't know if I should recommend it to people or not, but I'm going to say if you like really dark sci-fi, his mole, but with like that tinge of hope running through it, you know, something deeper, you might like this book. But it made the other one first. The other one to sleep in a sea of stars,

52:19even though it's really long. It's really, really good. Actually, I would have been fine with being longer. But this is, you know, they find this, this hole on this, this planet or moon, I can't remember which it is. And it's, it's giving out these heavy bursts of electromagnetic and audio energy. And it seems to have a fractal pattern to it. So they decide they're going to go down and check it out. And it's their trek through this hole because I can't land too close to it because the electromagnetic pulse will blow everything out and they can't drop drones into it, etc, etc. So it's these four people trying to traverse this alien landscape, this barren landscape, to get to the edge of this hole, just to find out what it is. And yeah, like I said, it's, it's kind of dismal, but also a nice, nice string of hope going through it. So, uh, yeah, I thought it was good. All right. So that's my recommendation, fractal noise by Christopher Paulini back to the show. So you are listening to where did the road go? And I have with me Danielle Drake. And, uh,

53:20during the break, uh, I had mentioned I have Timothy Renner on probably next week. And he has a new book on basically the Fay phenomena in Pennsylvania, which sounds kind of weird. Um, but it was, uh, his theory is that people bring their folklore with when they have these experiences, they have, it's because they've brought that, that sort of mask of what they are. So they're not seeing them like the Native American people would see them. They're seeing them in their cultural narrative, basically. And you had, you had brought up the fact that like Ireland and the Appalachians, at one point the mountain range was connected. Yeah. When, um, I don't know if this was Pangea proper or one of the super continents, but the Appalach mountains and the mountain ranges in Ireland and Scotland are the same. And, uh, you know, if we're going to spitball, if the Fay are tied to the land and they're, you know, older than the trees, um, when that split happened,

54:22what kind of cultural differences would have emerged from that movement and that displacement? Yeah, that's really interesting. And I think a lot of this stuff is tied to, I think, and we, I think we as well are tied to this planet. I think it's going, you know, people are talking about going to Mars and I don't totally know if we can. I think, well, there's that too, but like, I, I love the idea of exploring other planets, but I'm wondering like, how interconnected are we with this planet? Like, if we get too far away from it, do we stop functioning? Yeah. Um, I think the Mars is not inhabitable, uh, without some severe, um, changes for us, uh, say the least quality of life would be significantly reduced. Well, like what I'm saying is like, are we, is part of what we are part of the planet? And the Fay or whatever this other stuff might be, might also be a part of the planet? Yeah. Um, it, it would be interesting to see how, if they are

55:24timeless and, you know, not bound to that kind of taught, like, you know, our linear time, um, how they would change with, uh, you know, however they experience, the passage of, what is time? That's a very good question. Time, time is time is a book. So you can hold it in your hand. It's all there. I mean, I think a video game is a, is a bet, like an open world video game is a better example of that. Like you could, you could have a, uh, a drive with all of the data on it. And it's, but in order to go through that data and have it make any kind of sense, you have to experience it sequentially in that time. I also like that Seth, the Seth material says, uh, time moves at the speed that we process, uh, our reality. That, that makes a lot of sense because there are time dilations in altered states of consciousness. Right. And also just in basic consciousness, when you're really busy, time flies, when you're sitting around waiting time crawls. So it's almost

56:24like the process or speed of your brain is how fast time moves. And altered states are kind of like, you know, like, uh, supercharging it. Now, one of the things you mentioned with your artwork to me was that it's exhausting. Yeah. Um, well, artwork, yeah, artwork is exhausting. Um, having, uh, navigating the intricacies of our capitalist society while doing an artistic practice is pretty exhausting. Um, it, but it, but it's, it's a process. It's, it's like, uh, I, I, I do call doing a feat of endeavor, like the great work and focusing on the unknown is the great work. Yeah. Cobbling and shifting things together is alchemical practice. Um, but, uh, yeah, it, it can carry exhausted, but it's, it's beautiful. It's fun. Uh, you have to have fun with the work that you're doing. It, it is a job, but it's fun. It's work, but it's fun. Right. Right. But you're also

57:26talking about the after effects. Yeah. So like, when you make, when, well, the way I see it, uh, is, you know, I kind of have a chaos magic lens on making artwork like you, you get into this, this, uh, people call it the flow of state or I like the, you, you try to push towards exulsion. Um, an exulsion leads to noses, which, you know, it's knowledge and then this kind of transmuting into concrete is this, this project that you're doing or, or, you know, many abstract concepts that you're putting together like you go to, to noses and then what do you do post noses? Um, I think that's, uh, everyone tries to just kind of view and reach exulsion and, and, and the final point, but what happens afterward is an interesting concept, I think. So how do you usually feel once you've gotten a project done? Does it, does it change you? Yes, but, um, once a project is done, I

58:32kind of let it be on its own, like it is its own own entity of sorts. Like, uh, and I'm wondering if I'm, I'm kind of measuring this because I do, I do wheel and deal and entity, um, but, uh, it's its own, it has its energy. Um, and I think that I kind of just let it be at that point. I'm, I'm not, I'm not straight into like revisiting a concept or reworking and they're letting it stagnate for a while, but, uh, do you think that our work when labor goes over intensely is its own, it has its own object hood of intense energy? Hmm. Okay, that makes sense, especially, yeah, especially piece of art. I also, uh, I mean, I don't just paint, but I do include a lot of mirrors in my work and I do do mirror meditation. So, uh, these are, I do, I'm kind of heavy-handed in that kind of, like, transference of energy. Okay. All right. Yeah. Like, black mirrors are regular mirrors. Regular mirrors, um, but I do have some black mirrors. I do have some like very silver mirrors that I

59:35use for practice alone. Like, I don't think on them, or I don't, you know, use them with my artwork. Um, but, uh, it's a little kitsch. Like, I, I do use a lot of like, like, litter or, uh, color changing things. So, um, I like different materials and things that kind of shift and move. Like, it's very, very heavy and, um, intentional. It's very, it's very kitschy. Okay. Interesting. Um, right. I don't want the things I wanted to get to before we'd run out of time is, uh, some of the folklore you've collected from this area. Yeah. And you said a lot of its haunted houses. Yeah. So, uh, I was kind of like, what people have fault me, which I kind of keep in confidence, unless they're overtly saying that I can talk to them. Um, so when I went to, I went to the history center in like the Ithaca Commons area and they were so kind to me. Um, and I was able to have anything on folklore pulled from me from their archives. And I spent, um, three hours just kind of pouring over it. I wish I had more time, but, um, the drive from Queenstaff

1:00:36to go is, it's a bit of a like, um, but, uh, uh, uh, so it's mostly, you know, it was a lot of like, you're some stories about, uh, how you can't, um, there's, uh, old Native Americans folklore, um, about the land and the water. And then there are areas in which are haunted, like, older houses. Which is really interesting. And reading that, and then there were also like, uh, you know, this is, uh, this is a house where all the smugglers live and, and whatnot. So I did get kind of a broader picture of older Ithaca, an older pocket county, which was really interesting. Um, my favorite one though was, uh, there was a, uh, giant that was unearthed, uh, in Ithaca, on a road that was dug up. And what it was, was a gaff, um, they, this man, uh, opened up a tale and wanted to

1:01:36bring tourism to his hotel. And he's like, how do I do this? So he makes this giant. He's, he, he like, there he got iron ore, butcher house blood, like, pig's blood, uh, phosphorus, some eggs, and he made the, like, he just like put it all together and he makes this giant. So it's, and, and how it was described, it was just like the carving of a guy with really big feet. And it was just like a six to guy. Like it wasn't really, it wasn't like, it was like eight feet or anything. It was just like a bigger guy with big feet. Um, and so they were digging up the road to pay that, so like more, you know, traffic could come in. And so he calls up his friends and they help him vary this thing under the root of a tree. And like a couple of days later, like when they're doing road work, they like dig this thing up and they're like, oh my god, it's a giant. And it works. Like people are coming to this hotel. Like everyone's like, oh my god, it is a giant. Like this is amazing. Like this is so, oh wow. And then one of his friends that helped him vary it, like

1:02:41a couple months later, get drunk at a bar. And it's like, yeah, it was all fake. Um, so ruined. But that's also like the Hodeg in Wisconsin, LaGaz, um, or fake sighting. There have been a lot of like American folklore. Like you make up, you make a fake sighting and draw a tourism to your area. Right. Um, and you know what? I'll, I'll, I'll eat it up too. I love that stuff. Like I, I, I am sad that it's fake, but you know, it's still kind of in the local folklore. Um, people love the Hodeg. Uh, yeah. So, uh, we kind of had the ethnic a giant. Um, I mean, there, there are, there are Native American legends of giants in this area. And as far as I know, they did dig up a bunch of giants, especially headed out toward Ohio. So they're, that's, I mean, but that stuff's all over the US, honestly. There's, um, there's like a, the, what is it, the Netflix are having a kind of a comeback right now, especially with like the internet star seed movement, um, we're talking about like,

1:03:44I got almost the alien type of speech. That was tied to the net flood or something. I'm, I'm forgetting. I'm not, I'm actually, I'm not very privy on star seed folklore. Yeah, not me either. Yeah. Um, but there was a really good article that I read about it. Um, and kind of the examination of kind of internet, uh, kind of the, how do I say it? Uh, the new age movement in the internet age, like two day in the, in the mid 2020s. Um, and, you know, the star seed, um, but the star seed movement obviously didn't start recently. Now, is this, is the star seed, the, the people who think they're not human? They are, are human, but they're reincarnated. So they, they, they, we're not human in a past like, okay, okay. Yeah. And I think that comes from like the indigo children of the age. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Jenny Randall's wrote a book, I think, called star children or whatever. That's right. And that was basically what it was, whether or not this,

1:04:48this makes any sense. Yeah. There's like, uh, there's, there's a few popular, um, air quotes, again, uh, interdimensional species that are, are, are seeing a rise right now. Um, and, and one of them is like a giant type that had, um, it had its hands in the creation of humans, they all had actually, uh, again, I'm just stick going off the top of my head from like what I know. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Um, yeah. Giants. Wow. You mentioned that, big guys. You mentioned the Kiuga cannons and that I wasn't familiar with. I'm very familiar with the Seneca cannons. I didn't realize that the booms were heard as in Kiuga too. So I, because I was talking to Jim of the Seneca Lakes podcast when I first was told about like, I, my acceptance of this project. And so he mentioned to the Seneca Lakes. Um, but when I, what out my first call of like, hey, does anyone see anything

1:05:51in Ithaca? Um, I, I heard about the Kiuga cannons and there was also people being like, they don't happen in, in Kraya, Galay, good people are like, yes, they do. And I think Cornell even looked into it too. Um, but there is a, so there's a legend that it's a Native American legend, that there was a woman who really liked, like was, you know, fawning over a warrior. And he did not like her. He was rejecting her advances. And when she got, uh, old and ugly, what it said is that he pushed her off, um, like a cliff and into the lake, um, and killed her. And the great spirit took, said that she had suffered enough. And so she was a spirit of the lake. And as over, over time, she fashioned a hammer to cause that noise to knock people into the lake. And, you know,

1:06:55she was kind of a vengeful spirit. Um, so that's the story that I read about that a couple of times in the, in the archives. Um, there, there were a few like, jilted lover, uh, folklore stories, where like, uh, a woman becomes the spirit of a tree or they're like, intrinsic, linked, um, so that was interesting. Um, but yeah, that's a, the cannons, I didn't, I didn't hear the cannons when I was up there. Um, but I've been told that, you know, they're there. I don't know if it's gas pockets in the lake. I'm not sure. Yeah. It's hard to say. Um, yeah, I've honestly never heard about them in KU. I've heard about them in Santa. I don't think I've ever heard them. Um, I mean, there's been a couple of things where I'm like, well, that could have been, but, you know, there's so much stuff around now. It's hard to say what's making noise. They used to be, used to be a military base north of here. And I remember being home and they, I guess they were doing testing of ammunition and stuff. And it was shaking the house. It sounded like there was someone upstairs in my house. And it turned out it was just them doing ammunition test. So, you

1:07:58know, like it's hard to say, you know, in this day and age, what's what? You know, plenty of things can make loud booms. I did have, man, it was like 2019. There was a boom so loud it shook the whole house, knocked plaster down from the ceiling, vibrated all the windows. Um, I just assumed it was something like a meteorite blowing up in the air. But I mean, it was, it was dramatic. It sounded like half my house collapsed. Did you book up? There was a meteorite? At the time I did and I didn't see anything and I didn't see any other reports of it. I mean, I have it on my, on my cameras. I mean, it is visible, not only audible, but visible because you can see the plaster falling off the ceiling. Like just bits of it kind of trickling down. Unfortunately, I only had a couple of cameras, but even the camera I had outside of my studio, um, the window shook so violently that, like, everything just vibrates because it was right up against the window. But I don't know if that counts as cannons or not. As far as gas pockets, I mean, it's certainly a possibility. I don't take anyone's proof there are the gas pockets to do it or not. There's, uh, and I mean, how the lakes

1:09:02were formed, too. I mean, they'll tell you that they were carved out by glaciers, but Randall Carlson, who's actually doing a tour in August, September of the Finger Lakes in Western New York, showing that this was actually that the lakes were actually carved out by meltwater, not ice. And there's hundreds of feet of sediment at the bottom of the lake from it as well. So I don't know. You know, like, I don't think anyone really, these lakes are so deep despite being so thin, yeah, but and they're a very unusual structure in landscape. And they do look like fingers. They're very unusual looking. Um, and for some reason, I think, and even Wackens Glen at the bottom of cynical lake has some weird stuff to it too. But I think that seems a lot weirder than then, than Wackens. I spent some time in near Wackens Glen. Um, I, I also spent some time in the Adirondacks. The whole of the state is just, it's teaming with activity. Hmm. So when, when you do aren't about this stuff, do you feel like it's an alchemical process? Uh, you know, well, there is a trans mutation type of thing. And like, you know, when you look at the alchemical

1:10:05process, like, uh, subjectively, uh, theoretically, um, yeah. Uh, there is a changing, uh, there is a changing from raw material to a finer material to be with the great, I don't call it god, uh, uh, purple, the end, the end point. Um, because yeah, there's a, it has a spiritual transmutation. Yes, absolutely. Okay. Had you not thought about it like that before? Uh, to verbalize it is, is it bit difficult? Because, you know, you, first you want to go through color, sitting full, like, uh, black, uh, red into yellow, into purple, um, which is, that's kind of how, how the stages go. But, uh, there are a finement of the energy and the practice of, yeah, it does, it does, uh, alchemical process. Creation of a large, uh, complicated project is, uh, a trans mutation. So, so let, let, let me give you an impossible question. Oh boy.

1:11:10What do you think this stuff is? It is something we exist with. Okay. Yeah. That's, it is something that's, that's your answer. All right. Okay, that's fair. Um, have you had any weird experiences with psychedelics? Uh, no comment. All right. Okay. We've talked about that, those type of things a lot on this show. That's, that's the psychedelic angle was very interesting because I've had, I've had psychedelic experiences. Have I talked to any entities? No, I have not. Okay. Okay. Have I, have I blasted myself to other realms? Yes. And, but, you know, I, okay, so I do, uh, I, I, I am currently completely also breathing right now. Um, but, uh, I do think using psychedelics therapeutically teaches you about how your brain processes things. And it gives you a bit of experience into, uh, how your body works and how

1:12:11your body, you, you get an, you get in tune with how the brain and body connection works a little bit better. Um, would I, any sort of weird phenomenon that I would see in an altered state like that? I wouldn't regard as something that I, I would break up in kind of like an experience or discussion. Um, I, I, I've imbibed in something and that's, that's the way it is. Um, if we're talking about commonalities in a psychedelic experience, then that can come up, but like, no, I'm not going to be like, you know, I saw a thing outside and I am completely, earnestly and honestly saying that it was there. No, I'm not going to say that. Right. Well, sure. Yeah. Um, but I do think, uh, therapeutics like a doctor, very helpful for a lot of people. Um, even if just learning about brain body. I can't remember who it was that had the UFO experience. He and someone else were on LSD or whatever and they both saw the same UFO. That's interesting. And it was someone famous,

1:13:11but I can't remember who it was. I mean, it's very possible that that psychedelics are just allowing us to pick up more of what's in the environment around us. Absolutely. Because it is changing the way your brain works. Yeah, I mean, there's a, it's a trans like state where you can, you can kind of akin it to a trans like state. And I also think that like, even with stuff that, I mean, any of this stuff, even if it turns out to be parodolia, is still telling you something about how your brain is working? Yeah, absolutely. Um, I don't get parodolia in an altered state like that. But when I'm completely exhausted, like I've gone up to 48 hours with that sleep, I get parodolia very hard. Um, and so to, to know that indicator and to know what my brain is gravitating towards because it knows that I'm unsafe. So like, you know, I'm in an altered state. I'm unsafe. So I'm trying to look for threats or something. Like, I'm seeing XYZ like, uh, that's interesting. What is my brain gravitate towards in that kind of card? Yeah. Yeah. But it's also

1:14:14like it's a way of your parodolia as a way of your subconscious to kind of like talk to you, you know, at, or at least tell you what kind of state it's in in a sense, you know, like all of this stuff becomes symbolic and artistic. Because that's the language it uses. The same language that magic uses. Yeah. Absolutely. We are almost out of time and tell people again what your website is. Danielle Drake.com. Um, it's D-R-A-I-K. Yes. Uh, and my, uh, social media handle, uh, in pretty much every place is, uh, art of D Drake. Um, and that's also D-R-A-I-K. Um, I'm mostly on Instagram and Blue Sky and I'm currently trying to work on a web 1.0, uh, website. So that'll be fun. Um, and your, your residency is where and when? It is at the Constance Salt and Stahl Foundation for the Arts in Ithaca, the lab side of Ithaca. Um, and it will be in the month of October. So the

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1:17:37Welcome everyone, I hope you enjoy all the extra content. Next week I have Timothy Renner joining me to talk about his latest book about Faye Activity in Pennsylvania, which is a fascinating conversation, as it always is with him, and I think the last time I talked about the book, I don't remember if it was last week's show or not, I said August, it's probably going to be close to September, I have Suzanne Chancellor who kindly offered to edit it for me, so she's going through just making some corrections and making it basically perfect, this perfect is it can possibly be, so I might push it back a little bit, but I'm still hoping to get it out before Albert Twitch, which is in October. All right, to take you out tonight, we're going to hear a band called Unabasis. They were from Syracuse, I hear whispers they might be doing some more stuff, which would be great, because they only did this one CD, it's called Of Conviction, and it's progressive metal, and this is a song called Until the Dust Clears. I'll see you next time.

1:19:06So we are paying attention to the music and the music that we take right now, the music is playing, we are not staying, if you take it away, I'll be talking to you still playing, now you're still cloning, we are not, we are not staying, nothing up is from this thing, we can't explain, you lost yourself, we are not one, we are not staying, in reality, there's a place in my heart for you, I can expect you to know what I feel. Max, bring to a stone of superstition, I hope, life was can't carry to all my life,

1:20:09no interesting, that I'm fooling myself, the times I think I cannot be of, now you're cloning, we are not, what, we are not staying, you're not, we are not, we are not staying, in reality, there's a place in my heart for you, I can expect you to know what I feel, I hope I know you will soon lose in my heart for you I can't expect you to know what I'm ready for

1:21:17It's my turn now, baby This is what I feel I hope I know you will soon

1:22:26I hope I know you will soon I hope I know you will soon I hope I know you will soon You have been listening to Where did the road go? This show is brought to you in part by our Patreons You can find more at www.WhereDidTheRoadGo.com website designed by John Shooter the intro for this show was reimagined by Andrew Ham aka Lord Hattness on Spotify and the voice is Psychicomere of Psychic Reporation artwork for the show designed by Timothy Renner, Jeff Ritzman, and Nadim Mahibahi

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