EXCLUSIVE: Steve O’Donnell on Carson Hocevar vs. Ryan Blaney, The Chase Return & NASCAR's Future

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1:00Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, member FDIC CashApp, Visa Debit FlexCards issued by Sutton Bank, member FDIC and the bank corporate bank in a. Pursuit to a license from VisaUSA Incorporated. See turns and conditions for the Sutton Prepaid Card, Sutton Debit FlexCard and BankCorp Debit FlexCard. Savings and offers provided by CashApp a block-incorporated brand. Parents and legal gardens can open a managed account for kids 6-12. Visit cash.app-legal-slash-podcast for full disclosures. We've been on record, you know, drivers need to handle their business outside of the car. Well, we are going to encourage this passion, right? And those are two guys, you know, Blaney's showing his passion, showing his fire. I don't know that I've ever had a Mike Helden conversation that he doesn't have some sort of diplomatic answer to. One thing I'm learning about Mike, that's true. You look at the hell yeah, I can't paint. You look at the swear jar and you're not apologizing for it anymore. You're really just like, hey, if you like us, you like us. If you don't, we'll find something else. I think it's true to who we are. We can see that. Welcome to Kevin Harbick's happy hour presented by NASCAR and Fox for a special episode with

2:02Steve O'Donnell. Thanks for taking the time to come in and talk to us today. Thanks for having me, man. I've been looking forward to this. Yeah. Well, you came in at a great week for us to talk about just a, well, just an incredible ending to the Bristol race, not only on the racetrack, but off of the racetrack. What was the overall impression of Saturday night events? I think all in all, really looking at the entire weekend felt like more enthusiasm. Crowd was good, a lot of energy. The race, for the most part, I think played out really well, like to see a little more tire wearer. Maybe when Joey, that first, you get out there, don't think he's able to stay on the same tires right and hold everybody off. Something we can work on. But then the battles throughout the field were really good and certainly a lot of drama there are coming to the end. Didn't expect what happened post race, for sure. Yeah, I think when you look at post race and, you know, Brian Blaney being the one that started, I would have never had that on my bingo card. And being in those situations before and being in the trailer with you before and understanding

3:08the scenario, I mean, where does NASCAR sit on the whole scenario with the two drivers having the altercation? I don't, to me, the crew guys were just trying to break it up. But the glider didn't spread into two crews fighting. I mean, I think that's really where you guys have the biggest problem, right? Totally agree. I think, you know, don't use your car as a weapon, so to speak, right? I mean, we know Brad Kislowski, incident in Talladega, you know, with Carl Edwards, you know, those type of things. We don't want to see that a right hook. You don't want to see that. But we've been on record, you know, drivers need to handle their business outside of the car. We don't want crew members. You know, you got a lot of big guys coming out of the car. No chance with those guys jumping on. So, you know, if drivers are going to handle their own business, you know, the way we looked at that, how it played out, you know, we're not going to encourage fighting, but what we are going to encourage is passion, right? And those two guys, you know, Blaney's shown his passion, shown his fire. So no, there's nothing coming from us in terms of, you know, who obviously watch what happens, you know, the rest of the way, but nothing in terms of post-race penalty. The best part to me, I've known him for a long time.

4:09We've known each other for a long time. And, you know, I think that good, bad, we always wind up in a good spot. We might be mad at each other for a little while, but I mean, to me, that's healthy. To be able to, for me to always be able to voice my opinion to you, might make you mad, you do the same to me. But since you have taken over this whole thing, we have seen some quick reactions. And I think whether it's the spoiler and the car rules at Daytona, the caution rules, whatever it, I mean, there's been a lot of things that have piled up into those decisions. Has that been something that you guys have talked about internally? And I think that initially everybody was like, oh, they did it the first time. And so how has that gone over? Because I know with the charter systems and the teams, it can be a struggle. How has the whole garage perceived that? Yeah, I think it's a great question. You know, I'd start off with that. I think we've got a really good team, right? So it's easy to try and make some quicker decisions when you feel like the right information

5:11in the team can execute it. But it's also going out and you have been on a listening tour. But I think what I've learned from that is a lot of good ideas. You can listen to all those. That doesn't mean you're going to agree with everything, but you can at least get enough input. And when you've got a number of people saying, what are we waiting for? Let's make these moves. You know, you can execute it. You also know you're not always going to be right. But we'll do that. And I think, you know, we're going to move quick. I've told everybody, you know, we're going to move quick. You know, we're talking about where we want to go in the future, but we've got to go. We've got some momentum. But the worst thing we could do is just kind of sit around and say, hey, things are trending good. We got to be true to who we are. I think we got away from that in the past. But if you're making decisions, and you know, I've learned a lot from you, Kevin, if you're making decisions that people believe, yeah, that's NASCAR and they're moving in that direction, I think we're going to be winning. Yeah. And when you look at the moving part, what do you think that you've moved all so many things? What do you think the biggest thing as we move forward at what's going to be the, hey, here's the, here's the main thing that we need to focus on as we move into 2027?

6:15Yeah, I think 2027 will be more of taking advantage of what's out there, looking at all these ideas. And then if we can get the industry, and that's a lot of people, but it's drivers, teams, tracks, right? OEMs, if I ask you or Rick Hendrick or Joe Gibbs, you know, where are we going in 2028? I don't know. That's our fault. Yeah. So, we're going to be doing a lot of things about, you know, what should we do for testing for the day 200 or 500? We'd have a good idea. So the goal is really to get as many people as possible saying here are the top five things we got to work on as a sport. Everybody agree on that? We may get there a different way, but if everyone kind of knows this is what we're trying to do, how many races, where we race, how long we race, what's the future car? You know, all those things that we can at least talk about because we've made decisions in the past like, you know, let's cut a set of tires to save some money. Yeah. What did that just do? Right? Took away track time, took away driver development. If we would have said we're trying to develop cool drivers and do this, you might not have made that decision. So it's more long term thinking. In 27, we got some more things we're going to look at.

7:17You know, I know there's a horsepower discussion. I know we've talked about back in Daytona qualifying speeds, you know, looking at some things. So we're not there yet, but some good things. That would be fun. Yeah. Just see the cars haul an asset at Daytona again. It would be good. Qualifying would be versus a guy holding their arm out the window. Yeah. Which we put drivers in that position. Yeah. And that's not a great look for the sport. When you look at the Daytona 500 for 27 and you go back to Daytona with the rules package that we ran there, what'd you feel like you learned? Did you feel? I mean, I felt like we pushed it a little bit in the right direction. What'd you feel like from an industry, the feedback from that race was because obviously going to the Daytona 500, it's been, that's our big race. That's a big race. Big moment for us. So I think you're exactly right. You know, Daytona 500 did we say, wow, that was unbelievable in terms of where we're at, no, but directionally, I thought it was better. I thought that you at least could pull out. There were some more movement where it wasn't just three wide. All the way through lockdown, you couldn't move. You know, that's not what we want.

8:17So I think there'll be another tweak potentially for Talladega, like directionally to kind of continue that and see how that goes. And hopefully that continues to go in the right direction. And I think, you know, even looking at, you know, how those races play out in terms of formats, you know, we want to have those discussions in the future as well. When you look back at the, at the beginning of the next-gen car and so much changed with, you know, COVID coming in. And when we launched the car a year later and all the dynamics of the car companies wanting to be electric and hybrid and now hybrid is kind of a thing. A full electric car is not really a thing. Where do you think that the, from the next-gen car itself, like when you watch Bristol? I mean, we all, we all talk about the short track racing. Where do you think that the short track racing is as far as do we need to change something, do we not need to change something? I think, I think we all think it needs to be better. Yeah. Bristol was, I mean, we've made Bristol better. Yep. And so that, that to me is something that, that's a hard one though, because we've made

9:21the spoiler this tall, we've made the spoiler that tall. What do you think on, on the short track side of things? Yeah, I think keep looking at it. What can we do around horsepower? Can you do around tires and horsepower in that mix? I think it's something to continue to look at. Ty was up at GM this past week talking about, you know, future of engines and, you know, they all talked about, you know, going back to the kind of horsepower V8 NASCAR. It's crazy how all that's comfortable. All comfortable. So put it's great, because I look at, you know, where we want to go. You're seeing what F1's doing, right? They're chasing that. And we're there. So to me, it is, we got a lean in there. We got to do it in the, in the right way. I think if everyone knows, hey, this is the goal. We want to get to X horsepower. Here's the tire we need. I think the drivers are certainly behind that. Right. The fans, well, that's what they want. And when you go overseas, which interesting is, that's what all the fans want to. That's what they associate NASCAR with. So that's a really big area for us around the engines to continue to attack. When you go back and, and you look at, it's just so interesting to me, because you've been

10:22around this for a long time. And you've seen the fastest cars. You've seen cars get destroyed. You've seen the evolution of cars. You've seen engine seven car race tracks go from this asphalt to that asphalt. What's been the, now that you're sitting in this chair in charge of everything, what's the biggest surprise for you that you've seen that you're like, well, I didn't, I didn't expect to have to do that or didn't see that one coming. I think the two biggest changes I learned along the way. I've said this many times with you that you're going to be the most hated guy in the garage when you're in competition. It was hard for me, right? Because I wanted to be like, one of the guys are respect, but it's tough. You got to make calls and those aren't always liked. But making sure that we have to stick to our guns in terms of the fairness, the inspection process is big to make sure everybody's got a fair playing field. But I would say, I think overall it is the driver aspect of, you know,

11:23everyone's going to want some different things. But at the end of the day, if you guys all get out of the car and say, that's a car I can race and I can go out there and pass versus I can't do anything. There is a big point to that. And sometimes it's noise for a guy maybe in the back, right? Then once an adjustment, when you have the majority of your guys with a certain package saying, I just can't get by the leader. I mean, that's a red flag. And that's where we have to put drivers who are the best in the world in a position to feel like, I got a shot to go do what I can do and showcase my abilities. And at times, I think we've taken that away. And so that's the direction is make sure that if you're in that race car and you're the best of what you do, you got to shot the win every week. When you look at the development system from cup all the way down, what's your overview of where we're at? I know we've moved some ages around. We've got ARCA and trucks and obviously we've been involved on the cars to our side to try to align things across the country to get that system back.

12:24NASCAR is obviously very involved on the regional local side as well with your short track program. Where do you see all that fitting in? Because we're at a really interesting time with the G7 car. Where we're at with trucks in O'Reilly and in their vehicles. Not really. There's still training, good training methods, but the cup car is a lot different. Yeah. So where's the overall view of everything from the whole development side, the ladder system? Yeah, I think big opportunity for us to really, I don't want to say take a clean sheet because there's a lot of things that are working well. But you've brought this up and I think you're absolutely right on the formats, making sure that if you're a 10 year old race and kind of developing all the way up to cup, if you have the ability that if this is a NASCAR race, this is how we race. I think it's vitally important to do that no matter where you're at, if you're stock car. If we can kind of all unify on that, I think that would be big and hopeful that the new fans coming in. And then I think looking ahead, those five years of, if you know kind of where you want

13:26to go and you're talking about what should a stock car in Brazil look like. That could affect maybe what you race in O'Reilly. So it was up in Canada last week and the guys from Mexico were there because they want to be on the same chassis and the same platform so that if you're scouting a driver coming out of Canada or Mexico and they win, you should at least know this guy's got some talent or I don't know because it's very different cars. So we've got to look at that system all the way through and make sure that we have the right skill set, the right cars. I think still look at the ages. And what you guys have done in the car store is awesome. Lean into that from our standpoint too. And then last piece is where we're racing. Make sure that we continue to put a driver in a position to get the experience to where when they get to the Cup Series right now, it's a problem. You know, we don't have testing, we don't have a lot of things so we have to figure out how you can come in and you know, done take 300 races that we don't expect you to win right away but you should be able to go compete.

14:27Yeah. When you look at the testing, you guys have opened the testing up for practice on, you know, on the day before to get of a little more time to the guys. Is there anything out there from the feedback from where the practice time has been for the race tracks and the fans and the drivers and the industry as far as do we need more? Do they want to track more? It varies. I think the tracks would say, you know, hell yeah, the more content, the better. I think there's some things we want to mix and match that, you know, can we do some things even around qualifying right where we had the pick crews involved, make it a little longer, fans love that. What other events can we have at the track that people want to be part of? So we'll look at, you know, all of that in totality. I think testing has to be in the mix in some capacity but it was funny. You go to even some of the teams and you'll have one owner, you know, who will text you and say, hey, you know, I don't believe it, but my other guy said we have more testing, right? Instead of a challenge, but I think if we can show people, this is why we're doing it.

15:28If we are able to develop your driver a little more quickly, that's good for the sports. You talk about the race tracks and every year we go through the schedule and we talk about where we're going, what we're doing. I thought the way that you guys released it this year was pretty cool until, instead of waiting for the whole complete schedule and just waiting and waiting and waiting and it gets all leaked out. It's leaked them one, two, three, four at a time, not leaked, but announced. One, two, three, four races at a time. Where do you see the evolution of the number of races? Because I heard Ben talk the other night about the NFL and the number of races and I've heard you talk about it as well. Like what is the, we're in a different era than we were 20 years ago. What's the long term idea thought process as to what's the right number of races? We want to race outside of the country, outside of Canada or Mexico, outside of North America. What's the overall thought process on markets we need to be?

16:30Just give us an overlook of the schedule theory and where we need to be from a sports standpoint. Yeah, I mean, it's a great question. One that we're looking across all of our broadcast partners and industry and I think it all comes first of all to demand. If the fans are going to go out there and support 50 races, we'll help. Let's look at a schedule that would do that. Could you do midweek races? Could you do more short tracks? A lot of that. But we got to make sure that we get the sport right so that demands there for first and foremost. But the biggest thing that I think we all look at is there are iconic NASCAR tracks that you want to win and we got to get ahead of that and say, this is going to be here. Our job is to improve this facility because drivers want to win their teams, want to win their fans want to go there. But we've got to make it a great experience for them. So we're going to ensure that those things have been built through NASCAR are going to remain. And then are there some major markets that we can go and maybe surprise some people, do a military base here and there. I think the mix of tracks is pretty good right now. We feel like we've got that balanced.

17:31And then when you look ahead international, I wouldn't say immediately, but there is an idea of, could you take one race, maybe an exhibition, just see how it goes because there's a big demand when you go outside of it. Well, we don't want to just take a race. And I've said this, we made that mistake and we went to Japan. That was cool, but we didn't develop Japanese drivers, OEMs, sponsors. So let's do it right. If we're going to go, let's make sure that it works for your business. If you're a car owner, it works for the drivers. And people understand that when we show up, oh, this is NASCAR. This isn't what am I watching? We have work to do on that. I like the stadium series idea. I love you. We take what we did in the college. Yeah, you could go to, I mean, you could go all around the world. So, if you look at some of the military bases, Ben's working on that too. That's one of the ideas of we know how to do that now. And I'd love long-term. Who knows if this is possible. You got all these new facilities being built. Can we partner with a college football stadium or something?

18:31Just put the asphalt underneath. We'll roll in every couple of years and put on a race. But who knows? So we can do. Is there any other, as you've gone through the years, how much time have you guys spent with like an F1 going to races or going to different events around the world? Have you guys, do you guys spend a lot of time engaging with other people or do you just show up and just kind of take any events? It's a great question. Both. Yeah. You know, the challenge is right in NASCAR, you grew up in the sport sometimes. It's if you're not at the race, like, where is this guy? It's out there he doesn't care. But I've tried it. You know, get to one or two F1 races, get to an Indie car event. Yes, see what people are doing and learn. And there's some things that we do really well that I wouldn't touch. Our fan experience is great. The access to the drivers is great. We don't want to be exclusive. You know, we don't want to be that in that lane. But there are other things they do post-race. I think it's fantastic at F1 with just the podium. The driver sitting in a room having to talk.

19:31You know, the commentators are quiet. You hear that? That's pretty cool. So learning from those Indie, I think, is great partnering with them a little bit at some other races. I think we'll be big with Fox. So there's a lot of opportunities to me, you know, Ricanterco, you know, the Rising Tides. I'd love to see more events where it's Indie NHRA and NASCAR world out love. So you could have some festival speed, right? Some event and have your young guys there too. And guys can see them. As a parent, you're always trying to teach your kids lessons that'll stick and learning how to manage money is definitely one of them. Whether it's birthday money from grandma or finally getting paid for cleaning their room, those little moments are a great chance to start building smart money habits. That's why I like Cash App. Now offers managed accounts for kids ages 6 to 12 that grow with them all the way to adulthood with no subscription fees. If you're ready to start teaching money habits without adding any more stress to your plate,

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21:32One shot. Relive the experience. You messed with time. Time attends to mess back. The story continues. Tell me this is the second chance. Don't miss model studios of ventrous end game on core early theaters Friday. Get to get to now. We need to be to their team and maybe in a corporate virtual turn 13. When you were coming up through this sport, you've been through pretty much every level of it in today's environment. Who's your go to guy? When you're like, oh man, this is a scenario I need advice from. Me of the craft still hits the fan. Yeah. I'll give you a guess who you think I would still go. I mean, I'd call Mike. That's some Mike's offices. Yeah. I'm sitting here. It's right down the hall. Yeah. I think a thing I'm like, he's not coming in Santa. I wouldn't have done that or wouldn't have done this. He'll text you or want it. But there's never been a time in my career. I couldn't go into his office and say, yeah, what do you think? He's probably been through it times 10, right? It's been very helpful.

22:32I love that about the guy. You've grown up with him, Kevin. A lot of things that people understand about him right is, makes a lot of phone calls that nobody sees, just checking in and talking to people. I'd say that's the biggest lesson I've learned and trying to be better at is, speak of the phone. No agenda. What's going on out there? You learn a lot to be able to make calls. I'm still going to call every Christmas. That's there you go. I mean, every single Christmas, you either get a conversation with Mike Hilton or you get a phone call from Mike. I think that have you ever walked into his office and him not know the answer to something? Because I don't know that I've ever had a Mike Hilton conversation that he doesn't have some sort of diplomatic answer to. One thing I've learned about Mike, that's true. And he's calmed down a little bit. Like the Mike, when I was coming up younger, if you didn't know or needed a minute, sometimes you'd just yell that. You'd just get bullied to the point where you're like, uh oh, and you go away and I realized like, well, he's just getting a minute. He's going to come back to you, which was, which was good.

23:32Yeah. He's, you know, I tell people all the time that there's, there's not, if it wasn't for Mike Hilton and Jim Hunter. Yeah, Jim was, Jim was in a big trouble. Same. And Jim's a guy too, if I look back, you know, he's a guy I could go to also. And I remember one conversation that was in play working with me who kind of went straight to Mike on something and I was ticked off. And Jim said, do you think you're going to do your job any better because this guy went and talked to Mike and I was like, no, he's like, why do you give a shit? You know, it was like, all right. That's, you know, and just teaches you those lessons. And I think we've had good people who, who still kept that old school part in Ascar, but I think with Mike, and I think if Jim was still around, same thing, we're able to modernize and think about, you know, how can we stay true to, to who we are, but, but keep growing the sport. Yeah. Well, it's, it's really interesting to, to see the evolution of, of just kind of where our sport has gone from really trying to be, I felt like we wanted to be like the NFL for a long time. Yeah. We didn't know we chased, we chased too much. Yeah.

24:33And I think we all did. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, we got so big for a period of time to where it was like crowds were massive. You could, you were basically saying, I want that sponsor. You were picking your sponsor to decide what you wanted to be on the car. And the only thing left to really reach out and grab was, okay, we want to be, we want to be what the NFL is. And I think that the interesting part for me in going through that process is as we all kind of chased that was how unique our fan is. And they really love the, the blue collar people that are in the sport working on the cars. And I feel like, I feel like from a, from a management standpoint, that's kind of where NASCAR has gotten back to. Yeah. With not only you as, as CEO, but, but also you look at the Hell yeah campaign and you look at the swear jar and you're not apologizing for it anymore. You're really just like, hey, if you like us, you like us, if you don't go find something

25:35else because if you don't like us, you don't like many people and you're abnormal because there's a lot of really normal people in that racing garage. I think we're going to use that in our next ad campaign, but I think you're exactly right. We, we steered away from who we truly are. And when you move around, you know, I was in New York last week, I love New York, but I'm, you know, I'm not like the, the CEO who's usually on those. Oh, I hate it. It's like, yeah, I'd rather not go at all. So, but so I'm doing those shows, but what was cool is, you know, they're talking about the momentum and they're talking about just how cool the sport is because of what we're doing now. And so I think it's true to who we are. People see that. And people want to go to a holiday again, experience it and have some fun. And, and the biggest thing I think that's coming back is, and you were great at this cavity, you were passionate and everyone saw it. So if I'm going to tune in for a race, I got a reason why I'm going to know you care, right? Or I got to dislike you so much, but I'm so passionate about the sport. Right. That you dislike someone too, right? And that's when we're clicking. When you got a bunch of guys that people who they love or don't like, and we're starting

26:36to get that in terms of some momentum. So how much, how much say you're going to have in this days of the underscrap? You know, that's a really good quit. Tim Clark's been on that. I don't know. I do know. I'm so intrigued by it. I can't hardly take it. I'll tell you what was great. And I'm not saying this because it was like, oh, I got to talk to Tom Cruise. But when he was in Daytona right here, he came up in health court for five minutes, didn't stop on, I'm going to showcase the sport true to who it is. You're going to have people who've never watched it before. You better be ready. And I'm a blow this thing out. And it was, I think we all left Lisa said, hey, that's our new CEO. I was like, yeah, I agree. So I think there's an opportunity there with them to get it right. But we got to make sure we tell that story, right? And his point was we got to be ready for it. Yeah. Well, it's pretty fun to see it come back around to the second one. Last question. When you look at, I know that there was so much work, concern, questions, committees, so many, so much went into developing this new Chase format.

27:38And I look at it after three weeks and I couldn't have been more wrong as far as where, how far back you can come from. Joey, they got our 16 points out Kyle Arsons leading Blaney's 52 back and just crashed. And so winning means so much. Where do you guys think that everything is after the first three weeks with everything has gone on with the chase so far? Yeah, so I'd go back and first say thank you to the industry, right? Because a lot of time was spent on this a lot and a lot of good voices to get us where we are. So I thought the quote unquote regular season, I really liked it. The storylines were around drivers winning and around, you know, stars and making some moves, which felt right, not about kind of who finished 18th. And then the first three races have been fantastic. We're talking about every point matters. We're talking about every race matters. I didn't realize Kevin, I mean, you know, shame on me, but even two years ago when Danny would say, you know, I can take this week off because I'm already the next round. We should know that but the light went on of like, what's going on here?

28:41You don't have 36 races that truly matter. So we have that. I have no idea what's going to happen. Nobody does. That's a great part. I think people, if they're talking about the format, making the racing more important, we're winning. If we're just going to talk format, we've still got some work. If that makes sense, I think if it can elevate the racing and elevate quote unquote, those last 10, then we're on to something. Well, we just got to get, we got to get that regular season championship trophy back. So I actually thought about that. I made up a t-shirt for Danny. I still got to give to him. But I kind of agree with that though. I felt like, you know, we went away from it because there was, there was enough there that I think it works. It's a 26 week body of work. It's big. It is. I'm with you. I think we bring that back. Well, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see how transparent you guys have been with not only the media, but the fans. They haven't shied away from answering one question that that, when I'm not even from me, but from everybody else because I'm always watching.

29:41But the transparency and the efficiency of making the changes is always what this sport was all about. So thank you guys for the effort that you're putting in because it's noticeable. And I think it's, it's obviously moving the needle to get us to where we are. Three races into this. Now we can't think of this as a pointy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For that last week. But it's been, it's been great to see the progression of changes and at the rate that they're coming. So good job on that. And thank you for taking the time to come in here and talk to me. Oh, man, I appreciate it. I appreciate passion. You always had the time you take to do this show, it's huge for our fans. And I will say we're not always going to get things right, but we'll move fast. We'll move smartly. Yeah. But I think you know, we'll listen to the fans and try and keep this momentum. We appreciate it. Thanks, Bob. Thank you.

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