
societyDec 24, 20201:02:27pending
Episode 84 - The Cancel Culture with ContraPoints and Loretta Ross - 🇬🇧
Get every episode summarized
Each time La Poudre publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.
Email me new episodesFree for 3 shows. No card needed.
About this episode
Cet épisode de La Poudre est disponible à l’écoute dans une version doublée en français. Cliquez ici pour l’écouter : 🇫🇷
The legendary activist for reproductive justice, black feminism and antiracism Loretta Ross and the genious youtuber Natalie Wynn creator of the channel ContraPoints are the guests of the 84th episode of La Poudre, recorded in public the 21st of November 2020. With Lauren Bastide, they talked about calling in, calling out and self-care.
Lauren’s foreword:
This episode was recorded on Zoom thanks to Les CrĂ©atives festival in November 2020 and I’m very proud to be able to share it with you today. It was an incredible pleasure and honour to be able to talk to these two major activists. And also, it felt good to take an hour to explore this complex and fascinating online phenomenon we sometimes call “cancel culture”.Â
Episode summary:
At the Les Créatives festival, the activists Loretta Ross and Natalie Wynn dissect the complex phenomenon of what we call “cancel culture” with Lauren Bastide. If the mechanisms of public humiliation is much older than Internet and social networks, for the black feminism and antiracism activist Loretta Ross, the latter increases and accelerates this phenomenon (05:24). For Natalie Wynn, creator of the YouTube channel ContraPoints and its long, beautifully put together and referenced videos, we should be careful in differentiating the various forms taken by “cancel culture” (06:58), between challenging people in positions of power, whose careers are seldom truly affected (09:32) and what she calls “horizontal cancel culture” among disagreeing activists (11:42). Both of them warn against essentialising people and their positions, a process encouraged by how social networks and the eternal present of the Internet work (15:07). In her classes as well as in her activist work, Loretta Ross advises to “call-in” rather than “call-out” (22:44), which means try and explain with compassion first, rather than publicly confronting each other from the get go. It is also a question of strategy according to Natalie Wynn: nobody would be willing to listen when feeling directly attacked (24:40). As it is a real emotional labour, they both remind that “calling-in” and investing in someone else’s growth should always be a choice, not an obligation and that it is always a possibility to just ignore the conflict (26:37). They acknowledge it is not always easy and they both have had instances where they went along with the crowd and forgot there were other human beings behind the screens (34:37). But the consequences can sometimes be terrible for the targeted activists, especially when their only community is the one they have online, which is often the case in activist spheres, especially LGBT+ ones (40:34). They urge to recognise the diversity of opinions in activist movements for human rights rather than striving for an unattainable and undesirable political purity (47:22).
Our deepest gratitude to the Les Créatives festival and their amazing team who made this episode happen.
Executive Producer : Nouvelles ÉcoutesÂ
Production, editing and signature tune : Aurore Meyer-Mahieu
Production assistant : GaĂŻa MartyÂ
Mixing : Marion Emerit
Hébergé par Audiomeans. Visitez audiomeans.fr/politique-de-confidentialite pour plus d'informations.
Get every episode summarized
Each time La Poudre publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.
Email me new episodesFree for 3 shows. No card needed.
Hosts & guests
No transcript yet
This episode has not been transcribed. Request it and it moves to the front of the queue.
More episodes
More from La Poudre

EN REPLAY/ Épisode 108 - Sarah Schulman - (doublé en français)
La Poudre
Sep 25, 20261:00:46skipped_language

Lauren a un message pour vous !
La Poudre
Sep 10, 20261:42skipped_language

EN REPLAY / Épisode 56 - Gloria Steinem - (doublé en français)
La Poudre
Sep 4, 202640:36skipped_language

EN REPLAY / Épisode 86 - Fatima Daas
La Poudre
Oct 23, 202547:22pending