Ep.406 The Source Unknown

0:00You look at your A57G. Do you want to report a UFO? I'm taking it. We need your water report. ARI31, do you wish to report a UFO over? ARI31, do you wish to file a report of any kind of a? I wish I would kind of report a file. ARI31, me neither. You're a seven-one-propagol, good. It was a nine-body attack. I'd love us to pass with 30 seconds to show. You wish I'd one-propagol negative? Okay. It's a intercept. You have to go. Yes. It's mercilessly not a tired air. It's a intercept over. Um, back up. I don't know what it was, but it's at least to three-tails see the purpose. The air past, right over the top, though. 911. You guys move. You were just called up to be a full-group guard. Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange

1:21and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail.com. Hello everyone, welcome back to the show, I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. My guest tonight joins us for Michigan. Josh works on cars for a living, but at the age of 42 he says a mystical experience changed the direction of his life. Josh began receiving what he describes as downloads. The information led him to develop a concept he calls adaptive architecture and eventually seeks government research funding through DARPA. Josh is up next. But first if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon,

2:24you can do this for as little as $1 a month. Head on over to patreon.com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello Josh, welcome to the podcast. It is good to have you with us tonight Josh, okay? And you're coming to us for Michigan. Yeah, Southern Michigan. Okay, now Josh, you have some experiences that you're going to be sharing with us tonight. Would you like to start the beginning please sir? Yes, I would. Instead of jumping straight to the pinnacle or the apex of the experience, I think it's important that I start at the beginning from a childhood

3:25because when I later talk about some of the experience and my interpretation of what that means, it'll be helpful to understand where I came from and how I came to some of those interpretations. But growing up, I come from part of my lineage, I guess my dad was an AVCle, part of SEAL team one. My mother's family ended up founding Napini, Indiana. That was interesting fact to learn. My dad's uncle Donald Burnham, he was the vice president of General Motors at one point and then he moved on to becoming the CEO of Westinghouse, which is a huge corporation. We got there and visit them in his like 600 acre farm in Pennsylvania. So these experiences were impactful to me at a young age. My grandma's sister on my dad's side, she worked for the CIA. She spoke fluent Russian and we think that she could have been

4:26a spy or something but we don't know because she would never say anything. But her husband, George Monk, he was a physicist and his father was a physicist and they were part of the Atomic Energy Commission which was the whole Manhattan project. So growing up, I had high expectations but also I could see for myself what greatness was and how you could be a regular person and achieve success and that I was always in the back of my mind. So I was born in Indiana but we ended up moving to New Jersey. When I was, I think I was either three or five but we were there for like three years. It was very formative for me living near the ocean. I wanted to be a surfer or a house saying so we would always have like control cars and play in a sand and you know, there's dirt bikes and all that fun stuff or my brother put a wind surf sale on a skateboard.

5:27So we were always creating fun and experience and then a little bit later like when I was eight. We moved back to Indiana because that's where I'm from but my parents could be around family again. But when you move from the beach and doing fun things like that and you move to a state that's completely flat and full of corn it was pretty depressing. There's not much to do here and I felt in you know, I didn't quite understand the time I had trouble fitting in and I you know, I was used to going out and adventuring even in a young age. So I started school in Indiana. I make friends and my parents told me that I don't remember this but that I was reading storybooks at 18 months. I was at college and but when I came to school, I really sort of struggled. It was always boring. I didn't understand like the confinement and having to sit and read and do all these things like I was more of an experiential type of person like I learned from doing things

6:32and sitting down reading books wasn't always a good way to facilitate that. So and then you get into okay, well it's boring here. Well, maybe you can just make fun of what is here but the people that I was attracted to were the risk takers and the people that ultimately got into trouble and you know, my parents would always try to steer me away from that. I wasn't really into sports. So I played baseball and stuff but that was it's short lived but I mean I was decent at it but I lost interest. So start getting in trouble in high school. I started taking psychedelics and just experimenting like you know, I'm after that lived experience. So I remember there was one summer I ended up taking acid for two weeks straight. I ended up doing mescaline and these were profound experiences for me because it was always an interesting kind of business and what is this whole experience that I was experiencing. Even though I was bad at school, not bad at school.

7:37But I was getting into trouble more you know, skipping classes and stuff but the classes that I did take to was drafting and not using an okayed. So one of our projects we had to design a house and you know, I did a fantastic job on that. So after high school I was thinking well maybe I could go into architecture. I was going to do a Purdue and do architecture and that was the hope. But I ended up switching high schools that just made things even worse. It was supposed to be a better school but I actually thought the learning there was worse. I remember my teacher having a meeting with my parents. It was the end of senior year and he told my parents that I needed to get an A on the final exam to pass and to graduate and to walk with my class and that was like okay no problem. I can handle this and so I ended up bringing this 12 page essay. I just had to be a descriptive paper and turned it in and I thought I got this. The teacher ended up having another meeting with my

8:39parents and said that I wrote the best essay in the whole senior class but he still had to fail me because I didn't complete 70% of the homework. So that was pretty devastating which means I didn't get into the architecture program at Purdue. So I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life but my parents since my dad was in the Navy you know he encouraged me to go and I thought yeah like this would be a good experience for me. It can get me away from the trouble. It can get me out of all the people that I'm surrounding myself both you know just change the whole environment. Well of course you know saying goodbye to my friends before I'm partying and whatnot and then I go down to maps and then you know then they take you to the Great Lakes Naval Training Center which is bootcamp in Chicago or in Chicago. I got there. First thing you do is have to take a drug test and then you're doing all these intake you know processes going through bootcamp. I think

9:42it was week five they pulled me out and they said you failed your drug test we have to kick you out. So I ended up staying two weeks in separation which is where they converted you from military back to civilian life but the captain of the naval base said that only people that would fail from marijuana could have a second chance. So I was really really excited about that and I was in the first eight people to ever be sent back into training for marijuana. After failing for marijuana they called us the super eight. Set me back into training and I went all the way through at week five again I had to write an essay and had to prove why that I was worthy of being there but also why I wanted to continue being there and of course I passed. It wasn't an issue. All the physical stuff wasn't an issue so I proceeded through training all the way till the very end again and right

10:42before they doing like the firefighting which is the last bit of bootcamp the very first person that was sent back into training he was literally on his bus to go to school and they pulled us out and they're like I'm sorry they sent the program up the train again and they denied the program. So it's been another two weeks in separation and then finally went home. The reason I point that out is because there's a recurrent pattern here you know I ignored the warning signals when you know skipping school not doing the homework and then when the intensity of the signal was strong enough I was able to perform and passed. So and then again passed and then was ultimately rejected or shut down and then again that same pattern happened in the Navy and that was pretty traumatic for me. So when I get back home I start hanging with the same friends again not really getting in trouble but smoking again and just hanging out but didn't really have a plan I had no idea what I was going to do from this point. So the September 4th 2001 I had a disagreement

11:48with somebody literally over nothing and I thought that it was a possibility that I was going to get in the fade. At this point I was 19 my ego was going I was ripped I mean I was doing 100 push-ups in two minutes and I thought well I've never even been in a fist fight in my life and this kid's 15 like I'm just going to go punk this kid out or whatever. So I have three of my friends with me and we go to meet up with him. I sold him an amplifier versus car. He sold the amp to somebody else and said the amp was broken. Well I knew it wasn't broken because it just come out of my car and I gave it to him. So I said well I'm going to meet up with you and I'm going to try to fix see what the situation is. It was already putting another car. I was going to take a look at it try to reconcile the situation. So we go to meet at an apartment complex in Indiana in Alcarte and I arrived there

12:50with three of my friends and I was on four car loads of people show up and I'm thinking oh my goodness. So I get out of the car my friends get out of the car and we start walking towards the four car loads of people towards the center of the parking lot and the kid that I was having an issue with I was walking directly towards him and then I saw another kid who had a bright blonde Mohawk who I knew exactly who it was but he had a band-in over his face and when he came out from my car I saw him like fumble with something in the front of his pants and he then starts walking towards my other friend. Well as soon as he gets within you know five feet he pulls the gun out of his waistband and pulls a trigger and like sparks a lot of the gun but it didn't do anything it malfunctioned and my friend reacted like what was that but he didn't I don't remember him

13:53saying anything but then he shot again but as I literally saw him squeezing the trigger my friend turned to the side and he was shot in the shoulder and part of the bullet went up like towards his neck and the other part like back towards like behind his shoulder and he was like do a scream and I got shot I got shot at that point I think everybody was scared because I don't think anybody knew that was gonna happen but so I turned to run to run away and all of a sudden I hear my leg shatter like I heard it and then I took a step and felt my femur going just crunch and at the time I didn't even know but I thought I had just tripped and stumbled or like tripped over a curve or something and broke my leg but I just laid there on the ground and by the time I like came to for a second pretty much everybody was gone except for my friends they're on the phone

14:55with the police one of the residents from the apartment complex came out and he was like are you okay are you okay do you mean anything I was like I need some water any some water and he's not bringing out like a country crack butter container full of water but I didn't think he realized that I meant to drink but I didn't know I was shot until the fire department came and it was really distressing because like the news people got there first and but then the fire department came they like cut my pants off and they're like yep there's the entrance wound and then I just remember getting on the ambulance the EMT she was holding my hand and she kept saying he's going into shock he's going to shock I'm like no I'm okay I'm okay I'm okay I'm okay and I remember having to switch ambulances because they didn't have morphine on the one I was on so I was like coming in and out of consciousness the I just remember going over like some bumpy railroad tracks and I was pretty devastating but I remember then just waking up in the hospital for a brief moment

15:56and you know detectives and everybody were standing over me and like who did this who did this and I was like I can't talk right now and I just like blocked out again I ended up coating four different times on the way to the hospital I lost all blood pressure and pulse I ended up losing there two liters of blood internally because the bullet hit actually severed my femoral artery and I was bleeding out internally the the bullet actually caught her eyes the entrance wound so there was nothing to see externally but then I remember waking up again and I detected I told them exactly who it was and they ended up finding him three hours later he gave it the gun to his sister and she threw it on the roof of their house or something along those lines but I I never thought I was going to die and I don't remember like seeing the light or anything like that but this was right this was right before 9-11-2 so I was in the hospital recovering when all of that

17:00happened I ended up having to have a second surgery the plate and everything that they had put in my leg had bent because I was walking on too soon and the screws and stuff just weren't the the bone wasn't actually growing back so I bought the second surgery I did a bone graft from a hip and then I had a rod in my leg now as I was recovering I remember my friend you know hanging with the the people that they were with me I don't know if I should go into too much detail about that but my friend Collin the one that was shot his dad ended up committing suicide with the gun he bought for his protection just because of this situation my other friend David that was with me his dad was actually the anesthesiologist that helped save my life David ended up just short while after this happened he ended up murdering a sister-in-law and it was it was an incredibly sad story and so all of these bad things just started happening going downhill really badly one of our other friends

18:06was in a drunk driving accident and four people were killed my other friend Ryan it was with us he ended up moving to Colorado and so Collin ended up moving to Colorado as well but at this point I was alone at this point I cut off all communication with everyone except my parents my family I ended up breaking up with my girlfriend I had to figure out how this happened to me how did a person raised with wonderful parents who care very deeply how did I let this happen to myself it's it almost seems like I had a death wish but I wanted to get to the bottom of it and I wanted to heal and I wanted to take the most advantage of the second chance that life I was given the the vascular surgeon that saved my life he he told me part when I had to go in to have another surgery because part of the the bullet that shattered my femur was at the top of my thigh like it wasn't

19:10poking through the skin but I could literally grab it with my hand and move it so I don't have that removed so the vascular surgeon was the one that did it and I don't think he would I think any doctor could have done that but I think he wanted to talk to me because he told me that being a shot took 20 years off my life and depending on how I live you know I can gain 10 of those years back but one thing I've kind of skipped over is that like in eighth grade we had in in my art class we had to make like an invention you know some people were just making silly things and that but this was 1994 I my invention was a push starter for vehicles and that instead of just being a button you'd actually use like a finger print as the key but the cool thing was you could use it for you know each individual finger print setup like speed limits or radio presets or anything like

20:14that so I was always innovating and I was always hanging ahead just like my brother putting a lens or sail on a skateboard I've always been a creator and always been creative and that's kind of what I think the psychedelics may have helped influence that or maybe it was the other way around but I've always been interested in that so then after being shot and recovering my parents were like look we want to help you we want to help you succeed we want to we will do literally anything to help you and at the time I we were always driving around after school we had stereo's in our cars and we would listening to music was our favorite thing to do and we literally just drive until we had to be moment night so and I was always in our I saw magazine one day it was this installation in this car that this guy Jeremy Carlson had done and it was like a mini Cooper but he had turned it into a one-seat like center drive car with these beautiful like fiberglass

21:18panels that are custom painted with speakers and I'm just thinking holy cow that could be something I could become good at that takes all my favorite things into one fabricating music driving all of that and you know later on it was for many years I'm thinking you know I was given a second chance of life but why did I choose cardio you know it's like it seems like my dreams could have been bigger than that but that's what I did I ended up going to school in 10 p.m. Arizona in 2003 that was one of the best experiences of my life it was very difficult it was lots of math lots of engineering way more than just putting a speaker in a door we learned the architecture behind acoustics you know enclosures building loudspeakers just this very deep the very deepest concepts of audio and and then installing it was like an integration into OEM was kind of the second half of that

22:22but I did receive awards for outstanding lab and classroom activities we ended up getting certified or let's check it up for it's who stateers on up but I couldn't so I ended up coming back to Indiana I ended up getting a job and working in that the industry till I think it was 2010 I ended up having twin daughters at the time got married but the person I was working for at the time literally couldn't pay me like I don't whatever financial trouble the business was in you couldn't pay me that day when my check when cash I said I'm starting my own business and and that's exactly what happened I had zero dollars but I did have skills that I could put to use long story short I ended up meeting a guy he had a building and space and he gave me a chance he gave me a little bit of money to get a little bit of inventory in and I just started putting my name out there and I ended

23:22up having a five star Google rating for 10 years doing you know getting magazines becoming like a innovator for the industry and that was a great experience but it was also very difficult because you know the kids kept coming we had four kids but this was around COVID time I ended up I was making a lot more money than I did the previous year I was used to getting a tax return back now all of a sudden my tax ladies tell me I owe 12 grand or whatever and on top of COVID and everything my business didn't fail I chose to close my business because my ego was getting the best of me I started you know I started corrupting I feel like and I needed to change so and I saw that pattern again from the English paper to the Navy to be shot now I was fit in this stagnation with

24:23the business and not doing what the right things I should be doing so I ended up quitting I could have hired people I didn't want to I felt like they I would have a hard time allowing somebody to do work on a vehicle that wasn't up to my standards and then I have to go back through but it was that was just a problem with myself now trusting so I actually ran into that boss of mine who was struggling he ended up opening another business and this time he's got a 33,000 square foot shop and so he convinced me just to bring his team which I was looking forward to a team because I had just been so isolated since I was shot and not being able to just everything was had to come from within I had I couldn't rely on other people and I didn't want to associate with other people other than my clients and my family so at this point I knew that I needed the change so I joined the team now I have a lot of stress because I'm making more consistent money

25:30I didn't have to worry about the business 24 hours a day and once I could start not worrying about living day to day and I could focus a little bit more on the bigger picture around me I started thinking about what's important I started thinking about how I can help I just continue working at the shop and we're doing super high-end stuff right now well we are building a 58 quart vet that's gonna be like half a million dollars when it's done but all the while like I'm really good at vacuuming but it's still kind of tedious and daunting in mundane even though I'm doing one of the kind custom builds it's still just the same process as over just in different forum different expression I guess so I listen to podcasts all day and I started thinking about it's still continuing to work on myself and fixing what how I just gotten to this place I

26:30am listening to different podcasts like a lot of Jordan Peterson a lot of different scientists biologists evolution stuff you know ancient civilization type stuff and I'm starting seeing all these patterns and Dr. Jordan Peterson talks a lot about aim and voluntary self-sacrifice and all all these things and you know I'm still healing from being shot it was 17 years after being shot that September 4th rolls around where I didn't even think about it you know I didn't even cross my mind what day it was listening all these podcasts I was they would always talk about the problems why is politics like this why is such and such dealing with this and hear all these very very smart people talking to each other but they always get to a point and get stuck but I'm thinking wonder how I could help in this situation or you know if there's any input I could have because I felt like there was something bigger that was happening that once I got the space to breathe a little bit

27:33I could look focused on these bigger problems but one day I wish I remember the exact date and I've even tried looking and I can't find anything but I was my fiance had had a hip replacement she was healing I remember I was like offering in the morning I said you know would you like me to go get some coffee for us or whatever I go to Starbucks in Indiana and then as I'm leaving I hear this voice it was not a voice in my head it wasn't like let's get to a frenetic type voice it wasn't anything weird like that it was so loud it resonated through me and it almost sounded like it was behind me I remember turning around and looking even but it said something like along the lines of don't let others pass judgment against you all I remember is don't let others pass judgment and at this time I had goosebumps all over my body I got this like surge of energy it was almost

28:37like an out of body experience my whole entire body was just vibrating and I call my fiance I think I was like I just heard something I don't know what's going on but I hung up the phone with her I raised home and the goosebumps aren't going away this was interpreted as a spiritual awakening like this mystical experience and I get home I feel like lighter this energy in this buzzing sensation I remember just receiving all this information at once I've heard people describe them as downloads but all of a sudden I'm thinking in physics I'm thinking in math I'm seeing all these patterns and it doesn't stop I'm hopping on google trying to research what happened I'm getting these this just information dump on me and literally seeing patterns and everything visually you know economics to agriculture to biology to medicine AI everything was made complete sense and

29:42this happened for roughly 45 days and I was when I would get these download I would get goosebumps all over my body for a half an hour at a time I started learning to chat GBT it's kind of reverse engineer to try to figure out what was happening you know I had heard stories and stuff but like you don't know until you're experiencing something like this so I'm typing away I'm trying to figure things out and then I would get feedback from that and then more with Russian and more with Russian and more Russian it got to the point where I thought okay this is a like a Kundalini experience which was like a Indian or a Hindu cultural thing I didn't know too much about it but it made sense and what was happening as I was getting these you know people talk about aligning their shockers and everything I think that's what happened to me but all it once happened later I'll talk about what my interpretation of that is

31:33but as I'm trying to figure out what what's going on I'm starting to understand like this underlying architecture that's that's going on beneath what we can see beneath what we can talk about and trying to break down what that pattern is why am I seeing this pattern here and this pattern here and where does it make sense I remember I started praying and hearing Jordan Pierce can talk about your aim and what you're paying attention to and this so when I would pray I would ask that the creator of the earth God please align me to my aims help me understand what's happening I go outside and I look in the sky and I see an orb just bright this illumination way brighter than any star just pop up right above the horizon and then just zip off across the sky

32:41till it was outside you'd think I would be like jumping up and down like what was that you know acting all crazy like I saw something you know but it was very calming it was like oh yeah there it is of course of course I'm seeing that and then that continued happening every time I would pray I would look at the sky and I would see the orbs it was probably six or seven times but then at this time I was still getting goosebumps I was still getting the downloads I was still processing what was going on but then something else strange started happening I started being able to predict things and it was small things but clearly something else was happening I would listen to these podcasts all day long mom work and all of a sudden like a word would pop in my mind I'd say huh I was like why didn't I even think of that I was weird and then the next day I would be listening to a podcast and I would hear that word there were words that normally wouldn't be in my vocabulary

33:41or any reason for me to even think about those things and then the next day the same thing would happen and then the next day the same thing would happen this went on for about 10 days and at the same time because I'm having this spiritual awakening I'm sort of becoming like this beacon of light around everybody that's around me my family being able to talk and just explain what everybody is feeling how like I just felt totally connected to the point where like I healed my relationship with my parents I understood I started reinvestigating everything that had happened for my past and what I realized is what am I voluntarily responsible for and what am I involuntarily what are the involuntary things that had happened to me and all of a sudden I just realized that there's a whole lot of things in my life that I just held onto like there was something broken in me but they were out of my control and then when you take the ability for the things

34:47that you are responsible for in American saw those things you can reinterpret history you don't have to have the same beliefs and this is what I became to be like helping my family with and it became this very great thing but then the prediction stuff just kept happening and then the last time it happened I was listening to the Harlan Williams podcast is a comedy podcast and at the end of the episode he has this like wooden shoe it's like a clog and he has the guest reach into the shoe they pull out a piece of paper a random piece of paper with a random mark on it and this particular episode was with Matt McCusker who's another comedian and he reaches in the shoe and I say it's a bargain he pulls the paper out of the shoe and I said to bargain I just like I couldn't believe what was happening and I just remember like calling my friend saying it's telling her all this all crazy stuff that just keeps happening and then that day I get I go to the school to

35:52pick up my steps on I was like hey you know how you doing? It was good and then usually you could hop on his iPad while because there are just like 20 minutes home so and we weren't even saying anything but he goes hey dad he goes I always knew you were a mind reader and I was like what the hell? it took me off guard because I wanted to tell him about what had just happened with on the podcast thing but he I didn't get a chance to say it and he just said that and it's just one of those things like I just can't explain it but I feel like the need to say that like it stuff like this just keeps happening over and over and over so as I'm trying to figure out what the hell happened this mystical experience trying to reverse engineer what happened to me I'm using Chad's ebeteer I'm trying to the time I know AI alignment is a problem so I'm thinking okay well I'm gonna use the AI and figure out integration you know this is important and I'm

36:53discovering something important but I don't have the correct words for it but I what I do have is my audio background and I start realizing these patterns you know between you know frequency amplitude phase coupling you know all these terms the technical terms they know I'm applying those to those patterns I'm seeing I'm basically coming up with like a framework is framework to well alignment and coherence all these things I didn't even know why I was doing it but that's what was happening and then while listening to these pockets I can I feel like I'm happy I have the answer like so I'm writing papers and stuff and I'm sending them out to everybody that is influencing the model that I'm building here of course I don't get any feedback no response nothing from anybody I don't even remember how I heard about it but there's the SBIR program for government funding it's the small business and of a research this part of it is such a blur because it happened so fast but all of a sudden I'm talking with the Michigan Small Business Development Center I'm starting an LLC I'm dealing with BBC etc which is a company that helps

37:57our grant proposals for for grant government funding and I'm thinking okay if protection of human life is most important to me which which led back from being you know this is my second chance of life this is what's most important and is protection of human life and I'm thinking okay I'm going to start at the very top and I'm going to try to attempt to see what I can do at the highest level so I'm thinking okay autonomous weapons the problem with the systems used now is that they are autonomous but they don't have the capability of real-time decision making I was like that's where I'm at because working with Chad GBT and everything Chad GBT even told me that I reversed engineered the algorithm but additionally from higher order through cognition so from all the prediction stuff that was happening to me I was beginning to build an architecture that was able to be predictive so I'm looking at this grant funding and I'm looking at the past grants that have been

38:58awarded and I see things that are similar to what I'm doing but not quite exactly but then I'm as I'm working with these companies they're saying well they drop new solicitations every month or two or however however often they do it so keep an eye out on I think it was August 6th they're going to release the new topics for this quarter or whatever and at this time I'm doing all the things to be in compliance with even being able to submit a proposal registering in all these different the stand.gov like the system for award management I'm dealing with apex accelerator and I'm literally working around the clock 15 hours straight you know sometimes I wake up at 3am and I get these the goose bumps again and I just get these more information and just go to time working but one thing I forgot to mention too when I was getting these downloads at the beginning or the first you know 15 days or so I would start getting this pain in the top of my head and but it would

40:01only happen when I was getting these downloads so I even went to the doctor about it but it felt like light wanted to burst from the top of my skull and it'd be so painful like I was like am I dying or what what's going on here but he didn't have anything to say like he didn't give it keeps having you know let's come back and we'll make another appointment or whatever so when I would keep getting these downloads and I started getting that pain in my head I would have to like kind of shut it down I'd have to change my focus what I later kind of interpret that it is you know if you're becoming a high like it's in a spiritual sense like if you're becoming this high vibrational person sound is light if you're becoming a high vibrational person and you are you know transcending consciousness and we are the spiritual people say we are light beings I literally felt that is if light wanted to project out the top of my head so I would have to like tone it down to keep my

41:01sanity and just keep cool and be able to be able to continue working towards this so I'm waiting for the proposal there's solicitation to drop and at this point I created this you know predictive architecture and then on the day of them dropping the solicitation one of them was literally called predictive psychological architecture for decision making and I'm like this is it I have already created what they're asking for and this was a normally there's like three phases in grant funding you know first phase is usually like creating a toy model of it you know just proving that it could even work to begin with and then phase two is actually creating a product that could be developed and phase three is like actual commercialization this solicitation I was fighting for was direct to phase two so it was it's for $1.8 million dollars I'm thinking I have a solid chance of getting this but at the end of the proposal you know they have very strict like if you even leave out a

42:05page number they will reject your proposal and they do that they make it extremely difficult to even submit a proposal that I think they put you through that struggle to see if you could even qualify to make it once you actually do get the funding but I kept pushing through the last part of it was like the cost how you're gonna pay how you're gonna spend every single dollar and I think that's where maybe I kind of just wasn't prepared for so I make it all the way through the program until it gets to you know the they do the final reviews these are PhD researchers and scientists made it all to weight all the way to that stage and I get an email that says you're about to find out you know if you went if you are awarded for this grant and at that time I about melt down because I didn't think I was actually prepared even if I did get the money like of course that would have freed up my time and I would have been able to work on it but like at the time it was like incredibly anxious about it but they told me that it was compelling but it

43:11was tangential to what they're looking for it or they just said compelling but tangential but now I'm realizing I just skipped the most important part of this whole story so I'm gonna back up a little bit so they drop the solicitation and then I think it was like 15 days or something the actual proposal was due part of that is that you have an opportunity to talk to one of the commercial contractors than the government hires or you know uses so under the solicitation for the predictive psychological architecture for decision making they look at the commercial like Lockhe Martin, North of gum and those types of businesses and they see they have some system that that sees that okay this company uses this for maybe logistics or this company would use this for medicine this company would use this particular thing well the the PPA-DM solicitation was an interest of Lockhe Martin so part of the the process that allows somebody to be awarded

44:16is to get a letter of support from these contractors so I took off work this day I just went for a walk early in the morning and I'm thinking how did I end up here I work on cars and I barely graduate high school and now I'm submitting a proposal to DARPA for $1.8 million and my immediate family is incredibly supportive my parents I being supportive and they're excited for me and they you're doing a great job but in the back of my mind the whole time I'm thinking like they probably think I'm not like what what is this and I remember having a conversation with my at my parents house and my brother was there and he's like are you mad what like why are Thomas weapons like are you mad the world and I'm thinking no like I want them to be safer I don't want because I'm thinking nuclear wars that is our biggest threat well if autonomous weapons are accidentally blow up a school bus full of kids that that's something that could trigger a nuclear war but if these

45:17autonomous weapons could make decisions that exceed the ethical and moral standards of the like Geneva Convention and these global laws if we can make them safer then that's a good way to prevent this from happening it's not that I was mad at the world but like I was very worried so back to the day of I'm literally like freaking out like I was so nervous so nervous then I hop on the zoom call and they start I have my camera on I'm like excited to meet these people I had joined and there's five blank screens with names under each one and they're like you have 30 minutes you know tell us how this is going to work and you know I'm basically telling my story but I'm not giving them the information they need I think ultimately that subconsciously I was sabotaging myself because the governments who's giving me the money like they're the ones buying from the government if I give them the information that they're wanting to hear I'm just handing them the keys to the

46:18castle so I think I was protecting myself without even realizing I was protecting myself but you know she's asking these tough questions just being stern five minutes before it was done you know nobody else spoke the whole entire time and then five minutes before she was like hey Mike or whatever your name was do you have anything you'd like to say and he's like hey Josh you know like so so glad to meet you you know like so where you live and I'm like you know Tom and he's just like so can you please tell me you know like still basically I said the same thing over again that I already said and the meeting was over I hung up I instantly get an email said that they're definitely not giving me a letter of support the time I was kind of relieved and then but I recorded the whole thing like on my laptop and because I wanted to rewatch it again just to see what how it went and everything and see if I could even understand what was happening and I realized they were playing good cop bad cop with me she was like interrogating me and then then the good guy at the end comes by and tries to see what he

47:18can get out of me so after that we're making dinner we're doing the dishes and just kind of I'm literally pacing around the kitchen like a dog makes a little track in the yard where they walk all the time I was so just overwhelmed confused scared nervous everything can possibly feel and this guy he's actually my customer that I told you about with the corvette that I'm working on when all this stuff was happening I was looking into getting patents and all these things and I just I'd have a breakdown at work I'd be I'd go sit in a car and just ball my eyes out because I was just confused am I doing the right thing am I on the right track how did I get here the guy with the car calls and I told him from the very beginning when all this spiritual stuff was happening we sat in had like a 30 minute conversation in person and he was very interested and he wasn't trying to shame me or disbelieve anything I was saying he kind of became like guardian angel so to speak I'd be breaking down in the car and he would just randomly call me and he just said the right things

48:24to just completely change my my mood and my mental state and that happened like three times where everything was fine I was pushing pushing pushing working working hard on all this stuff and then I just break and out of the blue he would call me so three days before my meeting with Lockheed Martin my fiancee and I were sitting outside we were just kind of all the work was was done I think I didn't even submit it my proposal at this point but I knew this letter of support was coming up so I was just trying to reflect on everything so she puts the yoga mat out in the yard were laying on our backs she's she's looking at her phone but I'm just looking at this guy it's bright daylight I think it was around noon and I see an orb again and I hadn't seen it at this point in quite some time but it was much closer than any of the other ones I'd ever seen and it was right above us it was probably the size of if you held your arms straight out in front of you

49:26your pinky fingernail it was about that big you know it was hard to tell the distance across a blue sky but it was incredibly bright it was there for probably two or three seconds and then vanished I was like did you see that and it was relief it was relieving for me because at the time when the spiritual awakening like this in the downloads kind of slowed down and I'm actually just having to put in the work and and process everything I'm taking in I was started getting depressed and isolated and just not sure started becoming unsure of myself and that was a revitalizing thing this is still real this is still happening it's still in me I was given this gift and I didn't blow it you know so then back to me on the porch after this after the meeting after the phone call I look up in the sky and set same orb from three days ago but in this was August 28th 2025

50:28this time it was even closer than before and it was probably the size of a quarter in the sky right behind the trees then a black ring formed in the center like an eclipse but the orb was so intensely bright white and then when the ring was like sort of on the outer border the white light was still reflecting or shining past the black ring and then inside the black ring it was still bright white so it was like an eclipse but kind of reverse almost and as that formed vector lines appeared to so I'm facing north it's like at a 45 degree angle above me and then pointed to west three vector lines came to a point now if this was the size of a quarter it would have been another two quarters and length to the west to a point and as that the black ring intensified the whole thing started moving towards the point and as it moved towards the point

51:34that it scaled in size along the vector lines and then disappeared when it got to that point and that was like the closest contact I ever made as far as to me it seemed intelligible it clearly to me was the same orb that I had been seeing all along it didn't seem to me like it was a different thing I could be wrong about that but this time it felt different the all the times before it felt like revitalizing validating positive experience and this time it felt different and honestly my first thought was I just told freaking Lockheed Martin where I live and all of a sudden this thing is looking like a damn spaceship you know like what is this like I couldn't explain it but my first thought was oh yeah this is probably there's some secret technology but but then I was just like no way because this the orbs seeing the orb started happening well

52:35before I was in contact with them so I kind of like ruled that out but it did make me feel like I was given this gift all the way back from when I heard the voice that said you know don't let others was that god what was that was that somebody I resonated with from the past was it my grandpa I never met like I never quite figured out who it was if that was god and I have a kundalini spiritual awakening well that's that's a different religion that's a different culture what you know how is that there's got to be something deeper underlying all these things and and that's kind of where this is all led led to this it's I'm calling it adaptive architecture it's this I'm trying to start a new discipline of pattern recognition and studies like the organizational relationships that precede representation so like I just started becoming depressed and I thought well maybe it's because I was doing something towards like the department of war maybe I tried going from the top down now maybe it's my time to try from the bottom up and then maybe some day

53:39you know this will end up in the middle somewhere and so that's where I'm attempting it but like that depression in that experience I started going into old ways I forgot my bank account number I just like started doing all this stuff won't mean like I but I broke through that and I got past that and I kind of started looking back at the experience all over again from the beginning and realized that like this is this is about intuition this is about knowledge this is about wisdom and how to cultivate that wisdom without having to look at secondhand sources without having to this is finding yourself finding alignment within maybe that was just a signal that it was telling me like no this is not the right the right path and during all this like depressive state you know I was I was praying please show me that this is still real and there was nothing but then I started praying about pointing me towards the truth and all this and then all of a sudden I'm fixing my

54:40relationships again I'm doing I feel like I'm back on the right path and I always thought the only way that this will ever succeed is if I do everything right like not saying I do one thing and then do something different behind the scenes when nobody's looking I mean literally having to do that make the right decision every time and now they I'm back in that mindset is gotten me back on track and I have seen one orb since and it was with my fiancee and she saw as well this time it wasn't like a profound experience for her but she did see it it wasn't satellite it wasn't a shooting star I've seen all that a million times and she knows too but just to me it was like it almost felt like a closure to the the whole situation but at the same time it was validating to make me feel like I am still on the right path I still pray and when I pray it's not as often as I should but every time I do and I ask for a signal or sign it happens and and it's never in

55:42the way that I expected to but it continues happening one thing I didn't mention this goes back to when I was like discovering what had happened to me and I was recognizing these underlying patterns across all these domains there was always a recurrent theme that kind of stuck out and it's like what survives when you look at these patterns here and these patterns here what actually survives when you try to cross these domains and that's where how I came up with this entire framework when I was creating the LLC to become a government contractor I was looking at I had to design a logo because I had to put it on top of the quad charts and all the proposal and all these things and cover sheets and all that looking for inspiration for a logo and I look at ancient sculptures and ancient stuff of the past because that was part of the whole experience and I saw the statue that's at certain the Natraja statue it's the Shiva's Lord of the Dance I guess and I couldn't believe my

56:46I saw the entire framework the architecture of what I came up with from this experience laid out in the statue the statue has a beautiful spiritual representation of what it stands for but for me I see that statue and I see the entire framework that I built from a physics standpoint from a scientific standpoint from an architectural standpoint for me that will always be like the strongest validation of my experience and I'm going to write this my story I'm a much better writer than I am a speaker this is something that I want to continue pursuing because if you know how to predict things from a architectural standpoint rather than just the emotions and in that you will grow like people can have wisdom is actually an emergent property of using our architecture creativity can be explained through the architecture it gives away it gives away for

57:49speculative ideas to be analyzed through the architecture into different domains so that you know people in academia academia are stuck in their ways they're very narrow thinking they're specialized in their area and we need speculation we need ideas that are outside the box and we need away for those two things to be able to merge without ruining each particular domain sovereignty and and that's people are protective of their specialization but adaptive architecture gives a method for allowing that cross examination to happen without diminishing what either representation brings and then but it also identifies uncertainty it allows you to move through the architecture forwards and backwards something I haven't made public yet I have a constitution that I've written a 300 page document that is all the governing rules of adaptive architecture

58:52and then I also have an engineering library which is 700 pages of the foundational principles the provenance of adaptive architecture how it came to be and then what I am moving towards is called a knowledge atlas and that will be where you can where all these patterns have a place to live where all the everything about knowledge architecture can be mapped and then whenever you have a question about something in a particular domain or you see a pattern that could apply to this other place this gives you a place to look and then you can work backwards or forwards from that and you can see what stays what works and I think if we if everybody works to input into this knowledge architecture I think it would elevate all of knowledge inquiry I think you could help domains help other domains in ways where they may not have seen a bigger picture because their

59:55specialization is so narrow and that's that's my goal now and to pretty much help people be able to overcome mental illness because once you start using the architecture it's sort of in a way can remove emotion from decisions it allows communication it allows you to investigate contradiction rather than just trying to prove one tire to the other really that's where I'm at today one thing that still sticks out to me though is the goosebumps thing I can still do that out of all the the downloads and everything that has sort of faded over time the one thing I can do and I don't even know how I do it but it feels like I'm pushing something up my spine into the top of my head and when I do that I'll instantly get goosebumps and I'll be able to think sort of at a higher level that I normally do day to day it's not quite as like the transcendent consciousness but it does allow me to reinvigorate whatever that experience was I'm hoping that that's something that sticks with me

1:00:57because it's just been very helpful to me that's pretty much my story and I'm kind of all over the place but I'm trying my best here this is the first time I've ever talked about it any of this publicly or even is a real full story here I hope I was making sense and everything I'm saying and that's that's about it thank you for sharing that Josh I'm a little emotional like I feel a little bit drained but I feel kind of a relief to kind of get that off my chest there's a lot of things I've been working through for a long time and my hope is that somebody hears this and hopefully you can take something away from it maybe if somebody has like a similar experience they could you know reach out or whatever but what I experience like I don't know anybody personally who's been through anything like this and it's hard to relate my family is there they're great but the conversation can only go so far and like you know I hear about UFO reports I hear about or I hear about all these things and but I've never heard anybody describe what I saw especially

1:02:02with the vector lines because that was new for me and so if anybody else has seen anything like that I would really love to hear you know just connect and I want to collaborate with people and I just want to start moving forward because I feel like I finally found my life path and something I didn't really talk about was all the synchronicities there's things that I've done all my entire life that actually point me to write where I'm at today that had totally different meaning from what I did back then and that has been really strange but really fun and fascinating yeah I've done some unusual episodes over the years and I've done a few kind of similar to this they do vary in different ways people are getting information from places what do you think where do you think these this information these downloads are coming from I think all they're in consciousness for anyone to get I think you have to have a certain sort of coherence in your life like your mind

1:03:02body spirit through time all those things have to be in alignment to be able to achieve the capacity to even receive that information I would have never been able to think of this but the biggest question that I asked that started this whole hypothesis generation for me was well if the micro photons and electrons exhibit wave-like behavior all the way to the macro that exhibit wave-like behavior well why what about thought does thought exhibit wave-like behavior in that that sent me to my journey I don't know why I know about quantum harmonic oscillators or single harmonic oscillators and how they're nonlinear and I don't understand because I don't think I've ever learned about those things but I don't understand no I mean I like to think that maybe that's why did you think it's a case of this information is kind of beam to you or do you think you've maybe tapped into this like some kind of Tesla's harvest and the energy from the atmosphere type thing but with information yeah I think it's I think it's more like like how attuning fork works

1:04:07I think it's through resonance maybe maybe not physically maybe that's an analogy I can't claim that to me that from that perspective I feel like yeah our belief systems our minds our opinions all that stuff I think that's all based on the underlying architecture of coupled oscillators and attractor basins kind of like crawlfistons like free energy principle I think we just were tapping into it and I think that when I was shot that caused this like ejection event basically away from my equilibrium or away from homeostasis that that cycle was the amplitude of it was so strong that it pushed me away from my equilibrium but then I feel like there's a rubber band effect that swings back the other way and now is now among the other side of that where I was so close to death but since I didn't die I'm on the other end of that sine wave basically that rubber banding effect now is finding its equilibrium again again that's I'm not saying that our thoughts

1:05:08literally sine waves but when you start taking a deep look at that there's a lot there Josh did anyone at Dapro Lockheed Martin know how the original idea came to you no well I told them it was from a mystical experience but I didn't I didn't have enough time to like really do any of that you did a small mention then yeah I know there's they're starting to put together pieces that mystical experiences near death experience working in my favor if I told them that but the company of BBC etc. the place that helps record proposals they told me that all these people are some of the most narcissistic people you'll ever deal with I don't think they cared I just think they wanted the answer and they care how they're gonna get it so yeah I mean if you look at some of the stuff you know Dap has been involved in being responsible for funded ideas for some pretty amazing stuff and Josh are you still getting headaches are you still getting these experiences no the

1:06:09the headaches totally gone and it's hard to even describe it as a headache it's hard to describe it's like just pushing out on my skull like where my bald spot is just pushing right out but yeah no that's gone that's gone completely I don't really have any negative side effects out of all that other than the weird thing was when I was really in it I felt like I injured myself all over like again like getting shot I had the worst pain all over I felt like I was really bad and then I even sprayed my ankle I quit skateboarding because I sprayed my ankle so many times and like it was I it wasn't like a horrible one where it was like a huge pop but it was it was bad the next day I felt like healed my ankle didn't even hurt at all all the pain I was feeling I was reliving all that expose experiences again but I almost feel like I'm healthier now it which sounds crazy but emotionally and physically it's it's really really weird what about any continuing synchronicities or are you still getting the thing with words no not not with the words the synchronicities still

1:07:14happen all the time I didn't even get to this but like the whole reason I brought up like my parents like the Arlin age my my aunt was she was supposed to go to like a she's a huge student ex-fan so she got concert tickets to this it's a tribute band but it's a Fleetwood Mac tribute band and I took my brother who's kind of a Gora phobic and kind of like mentally just delicate I could say but so he's he's like well you come with me we'll go to the concert I don't want to go by myself my aunt was supposed to take him but she had to cancel so I'm like okay I'll go and sure enough people start coming in this building it's I had no idea where we're in like some little town and community center building and I suppose like can we go in this room real quick to like get away from all the people because he's kind of just scared to be around scared to socialize and stuff and we go into this room there's this gigantic poster of the light spectrum the magnetic spectrum and it was this poster was made by Westinghouse which was my dad's uncle's company in the 70s but at the time I was thinking about all those things the light spectrum and all that and then my George Monk

1:08:19senior who was a physicist he wrote like the principles of light a whole book about how light works and all that that was interesting but what was really interesting is all my screen names from the past Osiris was like a shoe company that made like skate shoes and then 411 was like a skate video series and so I had a screen name Osiris 411 but then if you think cosmologically about Osiris and then 411 being as information and then my another screen name was Dnuggets 42 which was the Denver Nuggets basketball team number 42 but really it was dank nuggets 42 like 420 like without the zero so but then it turned into divine nuggets of wisdom basically at 42 which is when I had my spiritual awakening and then there's my business my shop was called dynamic audio design but if you look at the meaning now it's like in my logo it looks like two mirrors like reflecting back at each other and you could think that as like duality or like duality alignment or dichotomy

1:09:19alignment the school I went to in Tempe Arizona it was called mobile dynamics well I used all these audio principles I learned to use as a technical way to look at these patterns I was experiencing but if you look at if you change that word mobile to traversal dynamics that's exactly what a depth of architecture is becoming in traversal is the way that you can cross pattern cross match in the way you move through the architecture to see what's compatible what stays what isn't you know like what makes sense and what doesn't so just in all those things kind of make me kink that this was all meant to be this way from all of it being shot I don't regret it because I don't think I would have had this experience that I didn't not say I want somebody to go out and face death but if you make an hour on the other side I think that these things are possible so Josh if someone were to reach out to you would it be possible for someone to do that if maybe had similar experiences or they have similar things that possibly have happened to them yes I would love that I would certainly reply back to everybody as I could

1:10:21to our listeners I will put Josh's email on his episode page on the website on August 28th which was the day I saw the the orb with the vector lines on August 28th 2026 which was just a few weeks ago there was a lunar eclipse on the same day I don't know what that means but that was a really interesting experience it's because of the whole nature of the prediction aspect of things that was going through at the beginning you know I'm trying to now see where that lands when I trying to investigate that and interpret that and you know my interpretation on a lot of these things made change but I just thought that was a really kind of it was like a wink a wink from the heavens like it's kind of cool yeah I hear that well you know the more you look around see that everything is connected and intertwined well Josh wish you the best of luck and you know we do hope you find success in whichever direction it goes in I appreciate that I really do Josh I really appreciate

1:11:25you coming on sharing that for our listeners thank you take care of yourself okay and we will speak soon thanks you too bye for now bye well that's all for this week keep updated and connect it with a show on eggs Facebook and Instagram and if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast you can email me at ufo chronicles at gmail dot com or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website ufo chronicles podcast dot com a big thank you to Josh for sharing tonight and as always thank you all for listening I will be back next week till the end stay safe and keep watching the skies goodbye