EP 387 | Dr. Michael Salla | The Fall of the Deep State | Undermining an Ancient Satanic Network

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4:06We're excited to pick his brain today and kind of feel out what's going on in the world and just welcome to the show. Salah we're happy to have you here. Thanks for having me. Yeah absolutely. Great to have you. Yep. So you know you've been covering this for a long time and I don't think a lot of people get to hear maybe your experiences if you have any experiences and it's up to you if you feel comfortable sharing any of that or not that figured maybe we can kind of give the audience a chance to see the other side of you because you're always the one interviewing so maybe if anything's recently happened if you feel compelled to share that if not we can move into some of the more current events. So while the experience that I had that kind of has stuck with me for a long time was stuck in 1985 and I had just had a breakup with my girlfriend at the time and I was very emotionally devastated just like you know what it's like when your first love ditches

5:10you and your world is crushed and that's where I was and I'm in my bedroom just really feeling very sad, very depressed and I remember seeing these light beings come in to my room and there were about three of them that it was a blue white they were blue white light humanoids and they just kind of like stood at the end of my bed and just kind of like radiated a presence and it just made me feel better. What came to mind was this is my family you know like they like communicate you know where your family and I felt confused because it was like hey you're not my family you know I've got you know four sisters and a brother and I know them all well and you're not them so how can you be my family so I was kind of confused by that but they were like you know where your family and and I just just felt better and so we fast forward to early

6:15this year and I'm in hospital I'm kind of like just I've been poisoned I'm in hospital the surgeons are telling me I need to go through surgery to survive and all of that stuff and I remember being told connect with your staff family they'll heal you and so I said no I'm not going to do surgery and so I just like remember that kind of connection I had back in 85 and just like tried to feel it again just feel into it and I could I could feel into it I could feel their presence and I just started to feel better and and now I'm fully healed I think I was helped you know by there were some faith healers or psychic healers Jerry Will's helped me a lot I mean he was really there for me David Clements and other kind of remote healer helped

7:16me but that was the thing that I did myself because it was like you know connect with your staff family they'll heal you and so I feel like that that really helped so I kind of take that as as a way of just you know reminding everyone that especially star seeds that you have staff families and if you connect with them they can help you when when you really need it whether it's emotional distress a breakup or whether it's a serious healing issue so so that's stuck with me and at the time I didn't know who they were now I would say okay that's my staff family those are the beings that I'm connected with that in kind of like being a star seed yeah that's an amazing story thank you for sharing that and I don't know if you're aware not but I also got poisoned at a conference last year and and the same thing happened afterwards I never felt my

8:18my guides I guess my soul my star family around me so much after that experience to help me heal from that it was like palpable that they were there so I think in in times of need if you call and they will they will show up so it's a great testimony and thank you for sharing that and being vulnerable it's understandable that these things happen and I'm glad you're here with us today and you know you you've not stopped I think you kind of lit a fire on your ass and you've been putting out a lot of great content lately including which something I would like to cover today is like you know this earth alliance liberation from the deep state and this deep state take down and everything that's kind of happening right now I guess in a nutshell for somebody who doesn't know can you explain like what do you believe is happening right now behind the scenes with this deep state of all take down yeah okay well yeah that's that's that is related to my you know being poisoned and then recovering because I kind of feel like a after the recovery I lost my fear

9:19of the deep state and I was told back in 2000 well I actually was told back in 2009 about the satanic networks what they were doing with your little people and you know the SRA and all of that stuff and I was told about it you know I read the Franklin cover up at the time and I spoke with Ted Gunderson special agent in charge of the Los Angeles FBI spoke with him and he said yeah this is what's going on and you know you know can you talk about it and at the time I was you just establishing myself or had been working for a few years in the exit politics field but you know quite honestly I was too scared I was like thinking oh gee shit if I start talking about this stuff I mean I'm pissing a lot of people off talking about the exit politics arena now I'm gonna start talking about the the satanic rituals and what they're doing to to young people and how they

10:23used them in honeypot operations to blackmail politicians and judges and so forth that I would that would attack me and and you know I'm being told about my past lives and you know like a lot of people I've been killed assassinated for speaking the truth so I thought okay I'll just stick to the exit politics and I and you know and I kind of like look the people I carry Cassidy that were very outspoken on these issues and I thought oh all powered to them because she's got more courage than me and so you know I left it at that but after the illness coming out of hospital and surviving it was like pardon me was like okay no fear and I started talking about this and then I saw what was going on with the whole kind of like Washington DC being taken over by federal forces you know some of the people I've been talking of interviewing we're talking about the

11:25underground bases being liberated where the earth aligns working with positive ET's and and taking out the the the Satanists and and the negative ET so you know I was familiar with all that stuff but then when Trump started to like bring in the national guard you know first there was Los Angeles and then it was like okay it's a federal takeover of Washington DC and you know I lived in Washington DC for eight out eight years and I know the architecture of that place and it's designed the streets are laid out in this kind of like inverted pentagram going all the way from the White House up 16th Street which is the main major access and as you go up you hit the like the the Freemason Temple up there on 16th Street and and it forms this inverted broken pentagram and according to a cult literature the broken pentagram is inviting the devil I mean

12:32the an intact pentagram is a is something that will protect you but a broken pentagram does the opposite it's an invitation to the devil so I kind of like you know put two and two together realized that what was going on was that Trump was using the federalization of the of the Washington DC Metro police and filling it with federal forces as really taking out the underground bases there where the Satanists have their layers and they perform all of their dark rituals and so yeah I began to talk about that and we've got a few interviews with Redacted Clayton Morris he kind of like wanted to know about that and you know just went into the history of like how Washington DC was was designed to be this capital for light but that it was infiltrated taken over by these Satanists and they kind of inverted it all and made a capital for darkness so yeah and I think

13:39this is what's been happening in Washington starting off with just clearing that place out of all the dark energies the Satanists and now they're moving on to other major cities like Chicago now Memphis and now Los Angeles so yeah I think this is the Earth Alliance working with the Trump administration to remove these Satanists and they're kind of like underground power centers excellent summary of all that I agree I think it's so it's actually deeper than that too I mean there's there's other factions and other even dimensions involved and technologies involved I think that you know the story that we get is just a surface level narrative and this obviously goes much much deeper including things like the secret space program and like like the Earth Alliance would be considered a faction of that and obviously even within those networks there's infiltration that needs to be cleaned up so what do you like I know this is something that you've even counted

14:41lately and it's becoming more apparent that things like the the Galactic Federation and like the SSP Alliance might have been had double agents within those agencies that actually be kind of like the Sith Lords and Star Wars that we're just hiding in plain sight and so what do you think you know about that because this is another layer of this that most people don't consider yeah well we have organized different organizations that are collaborating I mean you got the Earth Alliance the military white hats from different countries all working together to take on the deep state and the deep state the globalists the Satanists I mean they specialize in deception and infiltration and you know they do this not just with earth institutions but they do it with Galactic organizations as well and you know so this is really controversial some people will say that oh while the Galactic Federation of Worlds they have really good security to protocols it would never allow negative ET's to infiltrate the ashtar command also has excellent security protocols

15:48but others saying the opposite that these organizations have been infiltrated and the main idea is that at the high level at the leadership level the infiltration has led to this kind of permissiveness where you know they don't do anything to really stop what the negative factions have been doing on earth for for a long long time and that they kind of like allow the disclosure process to be dragged out and so you know there are those that talk about the infiltration being something that just kind of like leads to the leadership just allowing a lot of crap to go on and on and not really do anything to stop it but of course you have others that are talking about what's happening on the ground where the Galactic Federation and the ashtar command are the positive ET organizations are helping the earth alliance clean out the negative bases so they get

16:51upset if you say this if you say well the leadership may have been compromised or infiltrated somewhere they get upset because you know they're losing people they're doing all this stuff on the ground so yeah so it's important to differentiate between the rank and file that are doing all the heavy lifting and clearing out these underground bases the Satanus the the negative ET's and and the leadership that may be compromised at some level where they may be let's just say a little too permissive in allowing things to go on because I mean everything could could be over really quickly I mean they they could just have ships showing up in the skies I mean the Galactic Federation has the power to do that but you know we're told that if they did that that the cabal still controls the mass media they'd make it look like an invasion and you know everything would go backwards so

17:54yeah you're getting into a lot of kind of policy debates there but I I think that these positive organizations the rank and file are doing a lot of good stuff but if you look at the leadership and some of the decisions that have been made you know you do have to question why is the disclosure process being dragged out so long you know why why are people allowed to you know kind of suffer and go through all the things we have to go through as a civilization just just because the deep state is still around and and people say well we we need to learn our lessons so yeah so it's complex it absolutely I mean it's apparent that your years of research allow you to cover this from all angles because you just did a great job of breaking this down and what it could look like and there's a lot of politics involved and like another Star Wars reference but even the Jedi council didn't know that Palpatine was a Jedi much less evil you know and so they

18:57were like he was hiding there amongst them and that's how the infiltration happened you know I'm we in law people say Star Wars is a documentary but even the most intuitive council and the galaxy didn't know that there was a Sith Lord amongst them and this is I think as above so below we see that in the surface level politics in the Trump in the Trump administration you know keep your friends close your enemies closer you never really know who's who and honestly to take this stuff down sometimes you have to do it from the inside and even become your enemy to think like them so you understand like how this infiltration is occurring and it's not as black and white as you know somebody just come and say oh you know we're we're impenetrable nothing can penetrate our defenses but that's not true so I appreciate you covering that and you know you recently put out a video about like these tech giants defecting from the deep state and maybe you can explain like what you see happening there yeah that's an important one I mean there was that meeting on September 4 where the tech giants people involved in AI Mark Zuckerberg Bill Gates Sam Altman

20:05um uh uh uh what is it uh the head of a Google Pinder Sushar I think it is a bunch of them that were there that showed up at the White House are talking about their AI initiatives and what I saw there and you know there was a kind of source some information this came this came from the GFL station uh I've spoken to the person who started that updated nickels and I mean he seems to be a very credible person and I take his information seriously and so he put out the idea that or he was told from information he says was given to him by the ashtar command that this meeting at the White House represented a a defection by the big tech leaders that they were defecting from the deep state because they realized that the deep state was losing this kind of uh information

21:10more against the earth alliance and so they decided to jump ship I mean and and to me that made a lot of sense because my background was in peace and conflict resolution and and I was very interested in non-violence non-violent as a tool of conflict resolution and in every case where there's been a nonviolent revolution or even violent revolutions they always happen not well I mean they happen because you have people rising up in anger but there's always elites that defect to the people and and they're all of a sudden those elites whether they were generals whether they were high finance people or religious leaders whatever when they defect they carry with them part of the establishment and and then then they start kind of like working for the positive side and that's how you have revolutions and that's what we're having right now in the United States with the earth alliance and the trump administration that decades of control by the deep state

22:17that go back at least to the second world war era that that is being overturned and now you're going to have white hats taking over and really exercising control over how a lot of this advanced technology that's been found and secretly developed and and kind of like put out into the field how all of that is going to be used and and so that that means that these big tech guys that were working on AI that was going to be used by the deep state to control the rest of humanity when these guys defected they took with them everything they know and all of their resources concerning AI and they want to use it for positive purposes so this is where we get into the whole idea of well can I AI be used for positive purposes and and I know that you know that again that's

23:17controversial there are some people that say and you know going back to my Corey good days you know Corey was like saying oh AI bad secret space programs screen it out won't won't let it get anywhere near any kind of genuine SSP program but then you look at some of the contactees the information that they have been sharing about different galactic civilizations and they say well actually the use of AI it's all about consciousness if your consciousness is is sufficiently developed and in your intent is to use it for positive purposes sure it's actually used it's a positive thing if your consciousness is all about power conquest surveillance control then yeah you'll use AI for negative purposes so this seems to me to be consistent with what we're seeing that initially the people like Gates and Altman and those others that are involved

24:24in the big AI initiative Zuckerberg and so forth that these people were using it for control and surveillance but now with this defection they're going to be working for the earth alliance so you know the proof is in the pudding you have these photos from that meeting and showing Trump and Melania Trump being very kind of happy and these big tech guys were very happy to be at the White House so whether the thing is in the next few months will we see big tech actually doing some positive things you know not not do so much censorship I mean I like I just had it's funny just last week I had a YouTube approach me and tell me that two of my older videos were taken down because they they violated their terms of agreement so you know thankfully I didn't get any strike because they were older videos but they're still doing it they're still doing

25:24the censorship so so I hope that over the next few months we're going to see concrete evidence that this defection is real that these big tech leaders are giving up the censorship model and they're going to be using AI to help humanity and help uplift us and and bring out some really good applications of AI yeah yeah it's important to understand and thank you for sharing all that it's important to understand like that meeting with Bill Gates and Zuckerberg everyone was really mad like why are you in a meeting with this people and instead of arresting them right and I can only imagine some sort of interview or mean interview some sort of meeting taking place behind the scenes where basically it's like listen you've lost we've we've got all this dirt on you we could either put you in jail or publicly execute you or you can work with us here this is your opportunity to say to save face go ahead those are your options I think that's happened I think that's happened quite a bit in recent years is behind the scenes people are given they're like given two options to

26:28say option number one execution or arrest for life and you that's it option number two you actually work with us and you flip and you help you give us all of your knowledge and information and you help us and you work with us and it saves your reputation you know at least for a little while until inevitably the truth does come out right and yeah absolutely I mean I can only imagine that there's like I said these think tanks that use some form of timeline technology where they're playing out all these scenarios and and looking at these probabilities and what it would look like if these people defected and worked with them or if they just arrested them because these are high value people that have a lot of value they could have a lot of value to a future scenario where we're we're actually going into a golden age and sometimes as much as we would like to see them arrested and and maybe that it would be more beneficial for them to actually ally with us even though

27:34the people in the know know who they really are and what they've done and they'll always hold that over their heads and in the event that they don't cooperate then you know then they'll be arrested so what do you feel about that being a case saw yeah I think that's exactly what what happened and I think of like the communist collapse in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union back year back around 1989 1990 it was like you you had these career communist officials suddenly defecting from the regime and now they're citing with the people and these communist officials went on to become like captains of industry and so forth and and helped that transition and became leading partitions and so forth and and you know that happens exactly in that way that you know when you have these revolutions when you have transitions of power people from the former regime they're given their choice like you're going to come inside with us and bring your resources and your people and help

28:39you part of the solution or are you going to resist to the to the end and then we'll come after you and and and and that'll be bad for you and and I think that's exactly what's been happening now and and I think the big tech guys and they're just the beginning of of this process I mean there's a lot of major corporations and we've kind of started to see that with a lot of corporations giving up the woke agenda now and but the major media it's the legacy media still disgusting I mean it just continues to put out lies it continues to like just put out information to like make it look like the Trump administration is is fascist and and violating the Constitution which is a you know the the kind of reverse of the truth right and and so yeah I think they're going to be next the the legacy meter and I'll be particularly happy about that because I think those guys are really disgusting you know and being kind of like a journalist investigator myself I mean to see these

29:45guys just put out lie after lie year after year I mean it's it's disgusting so yeah I think it'll be good when the legacy media comes crashing down and and they get and they swamp you know we basically bring out the military tribunals and start arresting these guys for aiding and abetting the the enemy at a time of war because because that's I think what you the deeper significance behind this renaming of the Department of Defense to the Department of War is that you know we are in a war that that we are that we are in a war against this kind of global satanic network that not only operates throughout the United States but operates worldwide and it's a it's a necessary worldwide effort to remove this and these legacy media are guys that have been given cover to that I mean they're traders and and so they should they should be removed and I really don't think they have you know unlike people like Bill Gates and

30:47Mark Zuckerberg who have a lot of resources and a lot of wealth behind them that that he's a bargaining chip I think for a lot of these kind of like people that write for legacy media and just being putting out lies I don't I don't know how much they what kind of bargaining chip they have for them it's like they're aiding and abetting the enemy yeah absolutely well said and it's it's interesting to me that they changed it from Department of Defense to Department of War and if you think about that like Department of Defense means you're always on defense you're never on the offensive right and it's it's just an interesting war strategy I think you know you're literally telling people okay now we're no longer defending like we're going we're coming after you you know and you know obviously we don't want to incite violence or anything like that and it doesn't have to be done violently yeah exactly I think that renaming was indicating that they are now moving the white hats are moving from defensive operations trying

31:50to stop the black hats are the deep state from launching false flag events so I think they've been really watching out for that and trying to prevent that so they've been on the defense to prevent false flag events but now we've reached the point where enough of the underground bases are being taken out and enough of the deep state resources have been neutralized that now the white hats can go on the offense and and I think that's really why they renamed the Department of War to really like make clear to deep state people that we're coming after you and and if you don't surrender if you don't defect like the like the big tech guys you're you're going to be arrested and you're going to be put through a military tribunal because these these constitute treason or insurrection what you've been doing and and so that's where you have the whole thing of like the JAG officers being moved into Washington DC to help to help the kind of like speed up hearings because those

32:55JAG officers they're associated with military tribunals and military tribunals only a constitutionally valid when the civilian courts can't operate and and in this case in this situation we have now with the kind of like this satanic network so many judges are compromised that have been involved that have been let's just say there's control files on them that the regular judicial process doesn't work so that's when military tribunals come in so constitutionally you can actually have secret military tribunals where JAG officers are prosecuting everyone that's being arrested by the military and and I think that's that's part of this whole department of war initiative yeah that's a great point I'm glad you brought that up and so what are your thoughts on

33:55them moving space command or space force to Huntsville Alabama I know you interview JP and he claims is like an underground Nordic base there and it's just an interesting move and I don't know really I know you've probably done more digging on this than we have so what are your thoughts on like the strategicness of that well Huntsville Alabama is very interesting I mean we know Richard sort of wrote a book underground bases and in there he talks about there there was a plan to build a huge underground base in the green mountain area which which is just south of Huntsville Alabama and that this was where they wanted to have a kind of like mini pentagon built and so there were a couple of local newspaper stories talking about a big contract that was awarded to build this underground base and then nothing else happened

34:56and then you look at what happened with the creation of the Marshall space flight center that was under the control of the Nazis and von Braun Arthur Rudolph and those guys they they established the Marshall space flight center and they were also in charge of the Kennedy Center these were German Nazis brought it under Operation Paperclip and so what's going on there what was really happening is that you know the hundreds of billions of dollars that went into the Apollo program that was a cover for a massive amounts of money to be siphoned into the fourth Reich into the dark fleet so a lot of that money was going to the dark fleet to help their operations and I think that some of that money ended up in this building the huge infrastructure under green mountain for a spaceport that the fourth Reich was using so I think that's how it began

36:00that that underground spaceport there at green mountain was first developed in conjunction with funneling all this money from the Apollo program through the Marshall space flight center at Huntsville down to the Nazis so that and it was could pro quo it was like well the the Americans were like well we'll give you all of this money all of these resources and you teach us how to build this technology and so the Germans got everything mandated to have their dark fleet expand out of South America out of Antarctica and in exchange the the paperclip scientists were helping the Americans build reverse engineer their own spacecraft and I think that's probably where this underground spaceport at green mountain came in now we fast to around 2022 2023 and JP says he was taken twice to a spaceport in northern Alabama near the border

37:06of Tennessee and and you got to see this this base and that it was like had like hundreds of flying saucer shaped craft there was a lot of Nordic ET's there and that they were training international pilots how to how to fly these things so I think what what had happened was that what had been originally built in the 50s and that the German paperclip scientists helped reverse engineer the craft eventually some Nordic ET's got involved and they also helped build craft reverse engineer craft so that now there's a there's huge spaceport under Huntsville and and I think this is why the decision was made to move space command from Peterson space force space to to Huntsville because they're going to use that underground facility there

38:07for disclosure and I and JP was talking about that at the time saying how the pilots were being trained and the Nordics were being prepared to kind of like unleash these you know hundreds of the flying saucer craft and and like show themselves to the public so I think that that is part of the disclosure process and because Colorado Peterson space force base I mean that that still has a very powerful deep state influence there so I think that the earth alliance has more of a presence in Huntsville than it does in Colorado I mean that makes sense to me it was a great breakdown and obviously there's there's something like that I mean they would obviously be taking over a base it's not like they're just going to go and build this new infrastructure or something's already been established and it only makes sense for them to go and basically take take that over

39:07and I do believe that there's not only just that space port but a number of space ports probably all over the world but definitely throughout the United States and you know it's interesting to me that we still have simultaneously this like Elon Musk and SpaceX and and this whole rocket roost it's still going on and like what do you think how does that compare to the NASA rocket but also why do you think that's still being pushed and because Elon's got to be in the know on some level right yeah well I think Elon Musk like any major industrialist at the beginning he was allowed to get to where he is because what he was doing kind of like supported the deep states interest state they allowed him to build a rocket-powered space program that would really kind of like be used to kind of pull the wall over the public size for another 10 years or so I mean I think the the legacy aerospace companies that that have been doing that for some time

40:11building rockets and making it look like that is the that's the only game in town I think they're kind of sick and tired of playing that game because I know it's a waste of resources and and so you have Elon Musk come in and he's very gung-ho about and I think initially he believed it I think he really did believe that developing these reusable rockets using kind of liquid propulsion systems date back to the 1940s and 50s you know kerosene and methane and all of that that that that would be the future of the space program I think he initially really believed it and I think the deep state we're happy to have him kind of like become the poster boy for how reusable rockets is the future of the space program because I think it gave the deep state a way to kind of like hide the real stuff for another decade or two and so now what we have with SpaceX and with Musk is that well the plan is to build these starships that are going to go to Mars that they're

41:19going to you know Musk is all about well let's forget about the moon we've been there done that let's let's go to Mars and and if that's the case if they bypass the moon altogether that'll mean that it'll probably be in the early 2030s that you would actually have the first colonists arriving on Mars on these SpaceX starships and that's when you could have the colonists arrive and then it's like hey guess what we found artifacts from ancient civilizations that you know ET life is real so so I think the deep state wanted that and they encouraged Musk to go down that path but now I I think that what we are seeing is everything is being reassessed with the collapse of the deep state I think that disclosure is going to happen much more quickly than what the deep state was planning and it'll be interesting to see where the Musk comes on board

42:23I think he'd be crazy not to but you know he's got a very strange personality I mean he even said himself on the Joe Rogan interview that he's an alien and he's just trying to get back home and he said in a joking manner but I think there's some truth to that just like Tesla and FBI files that literally says that Tesla was from Venus you know so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Elon Musk was not even who we think he is at all so of course he would be used by the deep state to push that narrative and I agree with you so hopefully that is being undermined and changed I also think there is a lot of evidence that shows he's actually working with the White hats now I don't know if he always was but I think definitely now he is personally I think that whole spat between him and Trump not too long ago was a was a fake fabricated orchestrated kind of sigh up but a good sigh up you know I think there's a lot of evidence that points to that I know that everyone agrees with that but it just seemed there's so many things that pointed to like it

43:24was so contrived and then all of a sudden oh now they're cool again and it kind of I mean one thing that happened is that it got a lot of people because a lot of people on the left it's like the White hats I've noticed have been trying to do things that get them more on the same page with the people like us at least are the people that support Trump at least or that know a little bit more what's going on and don't just write off all conspiracies conspiracies right I don't know there's there's things that keep happening that seem to whether they're organic or whether they're orchestrated they're they're serving as these catalysts to get to get enough of humanity to a point where they can do disclosure in a way that's going to be it's going to go a lot smoother I think so I personally think Elon knows way more than he publicly wants to or is even allowed to say and I think he is working with the White hats yeah yeah I would agree and I don't think I also

44:29don't think that there's like they don't I always wonder if they're you know sending payloads with these SpaceX launches too like to some sort of secret space space or space station it's not all waste they're telling us that's for this a or b whatever reason but really there's sending supplies to a space station or something who makes sense to me anyway yeah well the yeah SpaceX has been doing a lot a lot of missions for NASA and doing some for the for the Air Force and yeah and we know that there's a couple of big space stations up there and that the space shuttle used to go up and and service that so I would not be surprised at all that Musk's Dragon 9 craft doing missions up there to the secret space program that they have up up there that was built and built by the NRO with the Air Force back in the 70s so I think

45:30is very real so Trump oh sorry Musk knows about that I think how how much Musk knows about the secret space program you know I think kind of looking at his personality I think he would be this the sort of person that if he knew the full truth that he wouldn't want to mess mess around with reusable rockets I think he would just like get really depressed and like just you know why am I messing around with reusable rockets this is crazy there's this anti-gravity stuff so I think they're probably kept a lot of that from him because they want him to like really believe that reusable rockets is the future of the space program and and and I think so they have a vested interested in him believing that for now so they maybe have told him a little bit about some of the advanced tech but I think a lot of it is probably being hidden from him

46:35right I agree and how do you think so the Artemis Accords obviously lay out like the rules and regulations for what would it look like if we did move into space and have these space colonies and programs and I think they're just kind of rebranding the regulations that have already been in place but how do you think those are all playing into what we're going to see moving forward into the Star Trek future yeah the Artemis Accords are really important because at the moment the governing document for outer space is the outer space treaty that was signed and ratified in the 1960s and that that pretty much made space the common property of humanity that no one country could go out there and claim space or claim the moon or claim any planet on its behalf that everything would be developed for the common good of humanity that's the outer space treaty and so the Artemis Accords were developed so that it would enable private corporations to go out there and do

47:43the exploration the mining the tourism and all of that and and and not have to worry too much about being preventive because of the outer space treaty and and what's interesting is that the outer space treaty is a multilateral treaty I can't remember the exact number well over 100 nations have signed it and it's been ratified but the Artemis Accords are bilateral treaties bilateral agreements and that's between the United States or between NASA and the State Department and every individual signatory so all these other countries so I think there's about 54-55 countries at the moment that have signed the Artemis Accords they are all with the US the bilateral and what and you have to ask yourself well why would other countries do this why would they go from a multilateral treaty that governs the development and use of space to bilateral agreements that cement US

48:47leadership for another debt for another century you know why would major countries like France Germany India do this and and I think the answer is that they're doing it because they're being allowed to get some of the advanced technology that's been secretly developed and and it was very interesting you know when we're talking about the spaceport there in Alabama near Huntsville that JP said I mean what he described he says he was taken there in a bus there were 35 people there 33 of those people on the bus you know aside from the driver were international pilots from all over the world and when they arrived at the base they all got out and they all ran to a particular flying saucer and were met with a Nordic and that Nordic was training them and I think this is the carrot this is the carrot for the Artemis Accords it's like okay Germany

49:47France Italy Britain you know all of you countries that have space programs if you work with us if you you've signed this this bilateral agreement with us we're going to give you access to this this little technology your pilots will be trained how to fly these reverse engineered flying saucer craft and that's going to be what will eventually be unveiled to the people and you'll be a part of all of that all you can choose to kind of like work with China and stay on the outside of it all and so all of the major space nations except for Russia have signed on to the Artemis Accords because yeah they all want a piece of that that action and the other thing about the Artemis Accords is that it establishes a mechanism which is recognized in international law for the development of bases mining colonies and kind of tourism in space and they and they talk

50:53about something called the safety zones so they establish these safety zones and these safety zones or where a company can go and like develop a base you know whether it's for tourism whether it's for mining and that can establish a base and they don't have to worry about someone else coming along and saying hey you know we want that territory for for our base you know get out of there we'll blow you up or something the safety zones are part of the Artemis Accords and they will be enforced by something called Olympic defender and the Olympic Olympic defender is the the military muscle behind the Artemis Accords it's it's where the US space command is partnering with the space commands from other countries to build up a unified integrated space command system where they could operate in space and defend all these signatories to the Artemis Accords who have

51:55established safety zones for their operations so Olympic defender is a very important kind of like multi-lateral space initiative to understand because at the moment it's like it's it's the the five ice countries the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and and Britain and also Germany and France are part of Olympic defender and Italy, Norway and Japan are kind of like associated with it they did that they're getting ready to join it as well so that's going to be like the future staff lead where you actually have all the major nations that have military commands in space all integrating under US leadership which will be Olympic defender wow yeah I mean you've definitely done your research on that I've read through the Artemis Accords just one time you know front to back I just wanted to see what it was about and to me it felt like that they wrote these

52:56they made these laws based on experience like they've learned the hard way a couple times like these safety zones like they've already probably established colonies or bases that have their spend come like you don't have jurisdiction here and they just take over the spot so they've set you know laws in place so that can't happen again and to me it's like so they've they've basically they've established the Artemis Accords based on everything that they've all the trial and error from the secret space program and then now that it's becoming more public they have set of rules now that actually makes a lot more sense because it's not so experimental it's not in the experimental phase anymore we're moving into this like star tech future where everyone's in working in coherence right would you agree with that yeah well that's kind of like really important when we look at the way in which you start to integrate the secret space programs into this architecture that's being created like the Artemis Accords Olympic Defender because I mean the solar warden program

53:58and what the Air Force Secret Space Program was doing out there for decades before Space Force was created you know all of that is operating with you know they got fleets of any gravity craft out there doing their their own things some working with the dark fleet and um but the Navy's solar warden is the kind of like the big big one and and it's like well how do you integrate that into the present kind of like infrastructure that exists at the moment it's it's not ready because our Space Force is is not a Navy operation it's a it's an it's an in the department of the Air Force so Space Force doesn't incorporate the Navy's solar warden program space command is an integrated command structure so it integrates different military services to to kind of like unify combat operations in space and so Space Command as it's currently constructed is where you could actually

55:00have the solar warden program working with the current kind of like infrastructure in space to do what what needs to be done so Space Command at the moment is the most important kind of like mechanism because the solar warden program can work with it without any big problem it's you under the way in which the US has set up its combatant commands Space Command can do that now in the future when the truth is revealed about the secret space programs that's when the Navy's solar warden program will probably need to be incorporated into something like a a department of the Space Force right rather than currently Space Force is part of the department of the Air Force Space Force will have to become its own separate department and and then solar warden will be part

56:02of that but but I think they they're couldn't like they're they're setting it all up because the goal is a transition and now that the Earth Alliance is in the process of defeating the deep state all over the planet everything will be set in place for revealing that yes humanity has developed these any gravity fleets of craft and they are all under the control of US Space Command and and they can kind of like do it that way and it'll be I think very seamless so Space Command and this Olympic defender I think they're they're going to be really important in the decades ahead yeah I agree they're getting their ducks in the row right now and like obviously I don't know if it'll play out as quickly as we would like but I think that's on the horizon you know because we're still seeing like like articles and stuff coming out about like they're training the first woman astronaut to go to Mars so they're still like this other narrative where they're they're going to

57:03you take the slow route so it'd be interesting to see how it plays out and you know I think everything that you've covered today basically encapsulates what you do very well I mean you've been covering excellent politics for years now you're you're explaining this stuff at expert level and I really appreciate that for anyone just you know finding their way to our podcast or even you because a lot of new people are waking up so laying this information out in the way that you're doing is going to be very helpful I think for people that are you know scratching their heads you know a lot of people are being believing that space is fake and we've never been to the moon when in fact there's quite literally a different story that's that's been told or played out behind the scenes so I can't thank you enough for joining us today is there anything that we didn't cover that you would like to like to get into before we start wrapping it up uh yeah I think uh what would be very interesting is what is going to happen in terms of uh earth joining the galactic community uh I I think in a way

58:06like is is the earth going to as a as a planet just kind of like sign on and become a full member of the galactic federation of worlds for example uh or will it go its own way uh and and I think a good example is uh in in the Star Trek series uh deep space nine there was this planet Bejor that had come out of a period of kind of like a domination by the cadassians uh who were like a reptilian race and and the federation of worlds was like okay we want you to join us but there was this kind of like the whole series was based upon well should be your join when is the right time to join and I think in a way we're like that as a planet that we shouldn't just rush head long into signing onto something like the galactic federation and a full partner because it's like well

59:07do we really want to go down that path or is there another another path um a path where maybe humanity develops more in a kind of spiritual way um some people talk about um Jedi admirals and and the earth being given the opportunity to develop you know in a way where we kind of like you know look look at our potential as as a species Alex Collier talked about the the Patal um some talk about the Jedi kind of like masters some talk about ascended masters so I personally think that we have a potential which is something that we need to explore as a planet first before we sign on to something like the galactic federation which has its own military hierarchical structure

1:00:11and yeah and I think we should probably explore that first because because to me the the big unknown is like the inner earth like we have these inner earth civilizations that are really very ancient they have a lot of wisdom and and if we get in the track of kind of like joining the galactic federation you know in a way it's to ignore the inner earth beings because I think they can be a great example of where we can go as a species so yeah I just I just think that we don't want to be in too much of a hurry we need to take our time explore all our options consult with the inner earth civilizations because ultimately it's like well who do you who are you gonna trust are you gonna trust all these species out there you know like like the Andromadins the Uptourians the Pleiadians the Ashtar Command I mean all of them have their benefits very highly

1:01:13evolved but I think we need to consult with the inner earth civilizations that kind of like in communion or resonate with the consciousness of the planet of Gaia that Gaia has it's undistinguished consciousness and so I I think that's where we need to spend a little bit of time exploring those options so yeah I think I think it's kind of like very instructive to look at beige or the deep space nine series and say that okay you know we're very similar to that so let's let's take our time let's not rush into anything yeah I love that you brought up the inner earth because I mean Ashtar Command is said to be reside in the inner earth or at least have a base there you know at least what I've researched so a lot of these groups are already here too living within the planet and I don't think we consider that enough and it's already like okay this has been established long ago and we're just playing catch up you know so we could we could join them like

1:02:19you said or create our own because we might even be able to do it better because there are these there's this hierarchical structure in place which means we would be somewhere on that ladder when if we did it on our own we can create a whole new way of exploring so I don't know it's very interesting I love that you brought up all those points and and uh yeah I just can't thank you enough for joining us Aaron did you have anything you want to add before we wrap it up yeah going back to to inner earth and the beings that live there I'm trying to remember the author Diane Robbins that's her name yeah Diane Robbins so she's written multiple books a parent she claims she she channels like a dama of inner earth or like these beings basically from inner earth and they give her all this information and I've read a couple of her books apparently she she and a little Johnson have been in contact and she said things to him that he never told anyone that confirmed kind of further his his information and he knew she was legit anyways uh in her books she talks

1:03:22about how a lot of these inner earth beings are they they're they're just as advanced as extremely advanced ETs but they live inside of our own planet and they've been there for a long long time well before humans as we know it have been even evolved to what we are potentially or um you know there's the information going back to Atlantis and Lemuria that many of them went into the earth before the destruction happened and things like that and supposedly they are actually already in contact with many other ET races and with these federations and all of this kind of stuff already and they have their own ships their own fleets and all that kind of stuff so if you think about it our planet already is there it's just us on the surface are being kept in the dark and you know are being kind of kept away from all of that because the dark the cabal with the reptilians and everything else have kind of like enslaved humanity for a long time at least or manipulated us and and made sure they've they've used us as a resource rather than

1:04:24allowing us to flourish and connect with that and connect with other ET's on a massive scale right well I think finally an hour at this phase where that the cleanup is is happening to get rid of that control to give us a chance to naturally grow to a point where we are ready to connect not just with ET's out there but ones that have been here the whole time and a more open way obviously there's people for you know forever that have had their own contact but in a more open and mass way I think that is I think that it's going to be happening and we're going to be able to connect with those inert beings and live amongst them openly and freely maybe even you know be able to to live inside the earth if you so choose even and I think they already have their own craft and their own technologies that they'll then be able to openly share and I think the Sasquatch in the you know all the races that I think are on the surface that are advanced they're kind of in hiding they're going to be able to live openly and freely as well at a certain point so you

1:05:25know there's a lot of stuff that's already here on this planet that kind of gets overlooked in a lot of this talk about disclosure it's like that and you know we ourselves our genetics are from the ET's right we we have these latent abilities that are kind of dormant in our DNA that you know we're going to more and more we're already seeing it kind of come online people are becoming more psychic and telepathic and and all these kind of things so really it's like disclosure is an inside job like we are disclosure we are we are an active part of this and we have so much more already that we don't even realize until you know we fully do realize that and it's it's like we're we're going to get to a point very soon here where like we're not going to ever be able to be controlled or enslaved ever again and I think for a while now it's been we've been kind of in this incubation phase and I think a lot of forces and beings have been making sure that disclosure doesn't happen too quickly aren't it in a in a way that could just allow this to happen all over again right or we destroy ourselves because we're not ready right

1:06:28so I think it's all happening in divine orchestration and the way that it needs to so that we can we can truly thrive and yeah and and I would add that the inner earth beings because they have such a long history they are better capable of being able to recognize deception from the aunties because you know they've been through it all they've watched the civilizations get infiltrated taken over destroyed by negative ET races so they can be better advisors to that and you know and I remember now from the Radu cinema book series I don't know if you've read I think one of the books was journey to inner earth and he talked about how earth is structured and as you go deeper and deeper into the inner earth you're going you're rising up in densities so as you get to the closer to the core of the earth which is more like a sun he says that's where you get the higher higher densities and that's where the most evolved civilizations are and that's where Shambhala

1:07:29is you know and Shambhala just comes up again and again in in the literature and so to me it would be like well as a planet if you know if if we're trying to like plan up with the optimal plan for developing the planet I would say that you know we need to make contact with the being from Shambhala and communicate with them and and get their advice on well you know how do we deal with the galactic federation the ashtar command the Anunnaki and and the negative grays or the hybrid grays and the reptilians we need to have the advice of those who have been aware of this for thousands of years and and get their take on it to make good decisions so that's what I would like to do in the in the future is to like just be able to get the information from all the different players and say okay this is what the beings from Shambhala say this is what the ashtar Kamahansa says this is what galactic federation says and Enki over here is saying this so let's

1:08:33decide what's the best best path for us right and you're talking about an earth council an actual council where these ideas are put on the table and then a movie is made from there which is how it should be instead of one power group just trying to control everything so I think we're moving that direction and I think the inner earth beings are already in contact with a lot of individuals and depending on where you're at and on your journey and and how much that you lean into that reality and you know they'll they see you come online and and if that's your intention they'll communicate with you so I mean it's happened we've had a documented there's been books written about it and I think that's an important part of disclosure that you know doesn't get discussed enough but like Aaron said it's already been happening on this planet for a long time so just come into that realization and having to understand him will fundamentally help us move forward because now we know our origins and where we've come from and if you don't know who you are where you've come from like that obviously like cutting somebody off from their true origins is a great way to control them right once we learn who we really are and where we came from then we take

1:09:37our power back and remember who we are and that's the future so yeah thank you so much for joining us today and let our audience know if any if you're you know we're to find you for one but if you have any like webinars or anything coming up that you'd like to announce yeah sure my website's exapolitics.org and I do regular webinars I do a monthly briefing and I do webinar panels like every six weeks every couple of months so you can just go to my website and I've got a Patreon channel as well for people that want to kind of support me financially that's always appreciated so thanks for having me on the show it's been a blast and great to talk to both of you Tyler and Aaron yeah thank you this is we've been looking forward to this and I think this is one of the best interviews we've done in a while we've really covered a lot of ground and you explain everything so fairly I think people will really enjoy it so just thanks again and thanks to the audience he's listening we can't

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