Ep. 2072 - Indian Pilot Rescues Plane From Muslim Hijacker

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2:22He would do it, but I think I actually have the answer. And the craziest story of all, sunny, hostile of the view has emerged as the voice of reason in the case of the Cornell 7, a Michael Knowles, is the Michael Knowles show. Welcome back to the show. You still haven't seen Run-Hide Fight Infidels, huh? You haven't. Well, you got to go to dailywear.com slash subscribe. You should just see it, period. But if you have a flight booked on flight Dubai anytime soon, you need to see Run-Hide Fight Infidels. Could be a matter of life and death. Dailywear.com slash subscribe. Speaking of death before we get into any of these stories, this is pretty crazy. Yesterday on the show, we talked about the case of Christophe Pike. Christophe Pike is this woman who's been on death row for 30 years.

3:23She was convicted in the mid 90s at the age of 18 or she was convicted of a crime that she committed at the age of 18 when she lured another teenage girl into the woods and then chopped her up, tortured her, her boyfriend carved a pentagram on her chest. Then Christophe Pike killed the girl, bloodshed her in the head with a rock, took part of her skull, brought it back as a souvenir and showed it off around campus. As heinous a crime as you can imagine, she's been on death row for 30 years because the American justice system is broken. Finally, she was supposed to be executed yesterday at 10 a.m. The lawyers were trying all these last minute desperate pleas. Went all the way up to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court shut it down. They go to some other court. They do get a temporary reprieve. But then the Supreme Court is like, hey, not going to off. You got to kill the lady. And so they go to killer. This is the first woman to be executed by the state of Tennessee in over 200 years. So they use lethal injection, which I find to be a very undignified form of the death penalty. For me, God forbid, I hope I'm never convicted of a capital offense. I would prefer

4:29firing squad. That seems more dignified. You could even be standing up. You know, I got cigarette or better a cigar in your teeth. And that would that would get the job done. They administer the shots of lethal injection. Doesn't work. She wakes up apparently. She says, hey, wait a second. My arm kind of hurts. This is really brutal. I feel like my veins are bad to explode. Is this how it's supposed to work? It didn't work. So they give her more shots of lethal injection. It doesn't work. So then, kind of crazy when it comes to the death penalty, they send an ambulance over and they take her to the hospital to treat her for the wounds that she incurred while they were trying to kill her. And now it's unclear what's going to happen. So my first thought when you look at the incompetence of the state executioner, my first thought was, have they considered dragging this woman out into the woods and cracking her skull with a rock? Because I know for sure that that works. I know that's a very effective

5:30method of killing somebody. The condemned here knows that that's a very effective method of killing somebody. Why do we have to play around with all these stupid shots and all these stupid lawyers and all these stupid judges? Why don't we just do it the old fashioned way? That was my first thought. My second thought was, is it possible that this was a case of sabotage? Because we know that there's a lot of anti-death penalty activism, mostly from the left a little bit on the right. So is it possible that someone was just mixing up the shots over here because they didn't want this to be carried out? It's possible. I think this is where a lot of people were very eager to see the death penalty carried out here. There's a misunderstanding of why so many people want to see this woman killed. Some of it has to do with justice. Some of it has to do with how heinous the crime was. But at a deeper level, it is not merely the bloodthirstyness of the public. I think for a lot of people, the fact that the state could not execute this woman,

6:32the fact that it takes 30 years for criminals to receive their punishments in the rare cases when they actually do receive their punishments. The reason a lot of people are so irritated by this is because it is further evidence that our justice system doesn't work. It is yet another example of our institutions failing us, of people losing trust in the public authority. The law says the woman is supposed to be killed. The law says generally that criminals are supposed to be held responsible for their crimes. They're not. We see this in cities all around the country. People with a rap sheet a mile long, they're just let out on the street and eventually they kill somebody in the subway or something. They're still probably not held to account for their crimes. People feel that the public authorities have just failed them. This is the latest and a absurd example of that. People are about. On top of that, a lot of the anti-death penalty activism focuses on how in the modern age we don't need the death penalty to protect the public from the criminals. They'll say,

7:33well, the purpose of the death penalty now is no longer required. Or they'll say, because it takes 30 years for the death penalty to be carried out, it's not really a deterrent to crime. We have all these studies from all these universities that show that the death penalty doesn't actually deter crime. The studies could be dubious. That's not the point. They say, if there's no deterrent effect and there's no effect to protect the public, then there's no reason to carry out the death penalty. But what they're missing is two other aspects of the death penalty. One, the rehabilitative aspect of the death penalty. A lot of the arguments, especially the Christian argument against the death penalty, is that we need these people to live so that they have a longer period of time to repent. That would be good for their souls. However, Dr. Samuel Johnson famously points out that the death penalty has a rehabilitative aspect. He says, depend upon it, sir. When a man knows he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates the mind wonderfully. In other words, if your goal is to save their souls and allow them to repent, you actually might be undermining that by not killing them. Because when

8:35they're facing death directly, it's going to focus their mind. They're either going to ignore the God's grace or they're going to think about the final things and repent at the last minute. When a guy thinks he's got 30 years and he might not face the death penalty anyway, actually the odds of the repents might be lower. That's the rehabilitative aspect of the death penalty. There's a very good essay by Father George Rutler on this in Christ's magazine called hanging concentrates the mind. But this all misses the point. The chief purpose of the entire criminal justice system is retribution. It is not chiefly deterrence. It is not chiefly protecting the public. It is not chiefly rehabilitation. If it were chiefly any of those things, then we could convict and imprison and even execute people who have not been found guilty of a crime. If everybody could use a little rehabilitation, anybody with a little bit of a problem, they could use a little time of rehabilitation, right? People who we suspect could commit crimes

9:35statistically or as a matter of prejudice, we should just lock them up. If the chief goal is to protect the public, better safe than sorry. No. The chief purpose is retribution. And in the case of the death penalty goes back to the book of Genesis. Whosoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed for man has made in the image and likeness of God that the blood of the innocent cries out from the very ground for justice. Okay. All of that said, I have one last thought on this botched execution that maybe is a little unexpected. I don't know. Maybe you're going to call me a little bit of a lib here, but I don't think I'm a lib. There is a providential aspect to this too. And so I'm slightly joking about dragging the condemned out to the woods and cracking her skull with a rock because that'll definitely work. She knows it. There is a long tradition of when an execution doesn't work for whatever reason,

10:36just kind of let it go. Not maybe not literally letting the criminal off the hook entirely. I don't think this crazy lady should be allowed to walk free, but maybe you just let her live the rest of her life in prison. Maybe I know you're going to call me a lib. You're going to say I'm going squishy. But my argument here is that we need to enact justice. We need to use our reason. We need to act responsibly. We need to do all of these things. But it is very, very important for us to be sensitive to the signs of providence. I'm actually writing a whole book on this right now. This comes from my commencement speech that I gave a couple years ago to Ave Maria. We need to be open to the signs of providence. We have this idea and modernity that we do everything that the world is just about us. We need to go out and change the world. We need to impose our will upon the world. It's all about us. No gods, no kings, only men. But that's not the old view. That's not the view of Christendom. That's not the view you see in the in the gospels. It's not the view of the early Christians that we are in the suspended time of history. We know how history begins. We know

11:41the turn of history, which is the incarnation and the crucifixion of resurrection. We know how history ends in the end times. But we're in the suspended time of history. And so what are we supposed to do in the suspended time of history? Supposed to use our reason to act in accord with God's will. And in order to act in accord with God's will, we have to be listening for God's will. I think it's the 20th century theologian Henri de Lubac. It's either de Lubac or Balthazar, who points out that one of the distinctive characteristics of the son of Christ who distinguished from the father, the first person of the Blessed Trinity, is that the son is always receiving from the father. He's eternally begotten of the father. Christ in his cajure on earth is always listening. He's always praying. He's always listening for the commands of the father when he says, not my will be done, but thy will be done. This is confounding for a lot of Christians, because we say, well, hold on Christ, you are God. So what is the distinction here? We can't fit the entirety of the Trinity into our finite little minds if that were the case God

12:42would not be God. But we see this that Christ is, he says, always listening. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear. You scrutinize the signs of the weather, but you can't discern the signs of the times. A little openness to providence is not the worst thing in the world. In fact, that is one of the essential qualities that distinguishes Christian civilization. So, look, I don't know, this could have been sabotage. We should look into that. The woman certainly deserves death. There's no question about it. By the letter of the law, she should be killed. The courts agree, the governor agrees, possibly. However, if this really just happened, if two rounds of lethal injection actually just failed, just because with no natural explanation for that, I'm not entirely opposed to letting her live the rest of her life in prison. I know what I would do. As a citizen, I know what I would vote for. I know

13:45what I would do basically as the governor, if I were told to follow the law. I know what justice demands. Yet, mercy, seasons, justice, and ultimately, though we have substantial command over the world and over history, we're not ultimately sovereign over history. God is sovereign over history. There is a reason why our forebears, who are a lot tougher about justice than we are, if an execution failed, if someone survived it, they might defer to a higher authority. That's all I'm saying. I know this is probably the only conservative show that you're going to see or hear today that will suggest anything of the kind. But that is not a libtake actually. That might be the more conservative, more traditional, and more Christian take on all of it. I don't know. Let me know what you think in the comments. I want justice as much as the next guy. But when strange things happen in the world, I'm at least sensitive to it. Okay.

14:47Now, speaking of the things that we can all do to take some control over our polity and over history, I want to tell you about the midterms and GOP votes. There's a lot more to say first, though, go to GOPvotes.org. The midterm elections are here. If the DSA Democrats win, they will push a radical socialist agenda and drown President Trump in endless investigations. We've seen their playbook before. They tried impeaching him. They tried putting him in prison. They've tried everything. Do not let them win because if we lose, they will undo everything. Our movement is fought for. I need you to vote early. You can bank your vote and fight back against the left's turnout machine. Go to GOPvotes.org right now. Find out when you can vote. Making your voice heard is easier than ever. You can get election reminders, look up your polling location, and pick a date to vote early. Go to GOPvotes.org today, paid for by SLF PAC, not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. Speaking of death, speaking of strange, improbable

15:55ways of avoiding death, there was a massive terror attack yesterday that by all accounts should have succeeded and it failed. This occurred over in the Middle East, no surprise there. It was on a fly Dubai plane. A flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv, full of people of different nationalities, but mostly it was Israeli Jews. It's a flying from the Emirates over to the state of Israel. And at one point, there's a problem in the cockpit. Love that. That's how the mainstream media reported on this. They said, you know, there was an altercation in the cockpit in New York Times. You know, there was a little little bit of a fight, a little disagreement in the cockpit. That's like saying that the Millennium Falcon had an earlier than scheduled departure, because there was a little bit of a disagreement between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi. You know, there wasn't just a little disagreement in the cockpit. One of the pilots was a terrorist. He was an Omani Muslim and he stabbed his co-pilot, who was an Indian guy, and then he tried to take the plane down. The minute you heard about this, a plane was hijacked and nearly went down

17:00in the Middle East. You would say, well, hold on, this is after 9-11. The cockpits are locked. How on earth did a terrorist bust into the cockpit? Well, one thing that we hadn't considered was maybe the call could come from inside the house. In this case, this is deep infiltration. You have this Omani Muslim terrorist pilot, who stabs the co-pilot, and now all the passengers who might stop him flight 93 style, they're all locked out of the cockpit because of the safety measures to stop terrorism. So this is where it gets really amazing. The Indian co-pilot, his name is Captain Smith Makahar. I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that. He is stabbed, very severely stabbed. He is collapsing. He's on the brink of passing out. And just before he does it, this total hero gigachad, Indogigachad, manages to open the cockpit door. Imagine having the plane is going down, you are dying and you have the presence of mind to open the cockpit door. He opens the cockpit door,

18:04and that is when the Israelis on the plane take over. The Israelis who, as a people, are fairly sensitive to Muslim terrorism, they bust in, they grab the terrorist pilot, they put him in chokehold. Then, because it's a plane full of Israeli Jews, they have a bunch of different skills. So there's of course, there's a Dr. Onward. There's a doctor, there's a lawyer, there's an accountant. I'm sure they all bust into action. The Dr. Onward goes and starts caring for the Indian co-pilot who was stabbed and potentially dying. And then I don't know, I assume the accountant was doing everybody's taxes on there. I assume you probably had a few like jewelry dealers. You, I don't know, you had, but in any case, they spring into action and they managed to stabilize the plane. Another providential aspect of this, you had reserve crew members from Fly Dubai, who happened to be on this plane. And they were on this plane in case they needed a new crew if the flights were delayed. I've flown Fly Dubai, frankly, when the plane dropped 10,000 feet in two seconds, I'm surprised

19:07the Fly Dubai passengers thought anything was wrong. Fly Dubai is kind of a dodgy airliner. I flew it like 10, 11 years ago. It's not, it's not the best airline in the world. And it starts going down. They managed to get the terrorists out. And then the reserve crew come in. They stabilize the plane. 178 people on board. They had, sorry, 174, 27 of them children. They land the plane in Saudi Arabia. Everybody's safe. Here is President Trump describing the scene. And Israeli Plumber, never flew a plane, was rarely in planes, very rarely flew. And Israeli Plumber, so what was happening? It was strong, you know, when you live pipe all day, you're strong. And he saw what was going on. He heard the screaming. He was toward the front, where you had security in the back, you know, you had security. And you had another flight crew, but they didn't have time. The plane was going sharply down at an unbelievable angle. So sharp that the rudder ripped off the back of the plane. The plane wasn't designed to go

20:09at a speed, anywhere near that. And so it was well beyond its limits. And he ripped with the G forces as they were. He ripped this guy out of the seat, threw him back the crowd got him, the passengers got him. Got him. Stabilize it. And then the final scene of all of this is that you have this plain full of Jews landing in Saudi Arabia. It's just can't make it up. Saudi Arabia, which certainly does not accept Israeli passports. I might have been a little awkward there at customs. Unbelievable, happy ending. And so this relates to what we were talking about earlier, which is Providence. There are two big questions that this kind of an event poses for us. Besides we should all be happy. We should all thank God. We should this wonderful happy ending. Because had this gone down, had this really gone down, 174 people killed on this flight to Tel Aviv in a Middle East that's already at war, this could have vastly expanded the war.

21:09This would have prompted a major response from the state of Israel against Iran, against Oman against who knows. This this you can't call the Middle East a powder keg because it's already kind of on fire. This would have vastly expanded the war. And we avoided it. We just avoided it. And you really you pray to God that bad things don't happen. You're angry with God when bad things do happen. We generally don't thank God that much when really bad things are narrowly averted. We just don't. It's part of human nature. In any case, this raises two big questions. And they concern who is in charge of history. You have the religious question, which is, is God totally sovereign and in charge of history and free will as an illusion? Or are we in charge of history? Is our free will absolute? And are we, I don't know,

22:09do we live in a kind of deistic world around the enlightenment or the 17th and 18th centuries, where he had this idea that God, you know, he kind of sets the world in the laws of the world, but then we do whatever we want and God doesn't really concern himself. That's the religious question. What is the relationship between God's sovereignty and free will? A question that has been debated in earnest for four to five hundred years, but that has more broadly been debated for two thousand years or more. Then you have in the modern era the ideological question. So in the modern era, we put God aside, we ignore God. And you have this ideological question, which is, who controls history, individual great men or mysterious impersonal forces? You know, guns, germs, and steel like that's stupid Jerry Diamond book, which is it? And the answer is yes, the answer is uh-huh. Yeah, it's those things. God's in terms of God's sovereignty and human free will. We were also

23:15coincidentally, we're talking about this last show or two shows ago. The consensus of the theologians going back to men like St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, including up to some of the Puritan writers, the radical Protestant writers is that there is kind of two levels going on here. Human beings really do have free will. We are secondary causes in the world, chance and for two of these things really can occur at the very least from our perspective. But as a primary cause, God is in control of history. So a sparrow doesn't fall without our father's knowing. Every hair on our head is numbered. Things will go according to God's plan and there is no confounding God's plan. And also we have free will. So in this way, will and grace are kind of move not like the gay 90s show, but like our actual free will and God's grace. They are moving together kind of like a waltz where you don't always know who is leading. You know, you're just kind of moving together. Okay, you have that. Then on the ideological side, this is a little more easily resolved. Yes, there are

24:20historical forces, economic forces, even geographic forces to give Jared Diamond a tiny little bit of his due in that liberal book from 25 years ago that says that individual men and particular people are responsible for nothing. And the only reason that Papa Winnockini doesn't control the world is because they're actually secretly smarter than all of us, but their geography is a little different or whatever. You know, that's totally ridiculous. This episode reminds us individual men do a lot in the world. And it's not just the Caesars and it's not just the Napoleon's. It's also Captain Smith Makaar. That Indian pilots wear with all in that very moment when he could have been on the brink of death to just open up the door. Certainly changed the course of history for 174 people. Certainly changed the course of history for all of their families. Now we're talking about thousands of people, but probably changed the course of history for entire nations for major wars involving

25:21the great world powers. That guy did it. Had that guy passed out a little sooner, had that guy only been thinking about himself, not of others? Had that guy not known how a door works? History looks very different. So what does that mean for us? The big takeaway for us is you can't ignore any of these things at the ideological level. Yeah, there are four. You have to pay attention to economics and geography and natural limits and natural boundaries in the physical world. Yes. But at the religious level, we have free will. We are held responsible for our actions. We are called to do certain things. We're not supposed to just be babas sitting in the Ganges in a quietest kind of politics. We really have. We are called upon to do things. And the only way that we will do things properly is by listening to and discerning God's will and cooperating with God's will. That cooperating with God's will, contra to what modernity tells us, that does not diminish our individuality. That does not diminish our will and our power and our command ever things.

26:26It actually grows them. We become most perfectly ourselves when we find our identity in God. And we are capable of so much more, really infinitely more, when we act in accordance with God's will, not merely with our own. The faith of a mustard seed moves mountains. Okay. Now, speaking of individuals and free will, a crazy store, a lot of death today, a lot of death and then avoiding death. But in some cases, the death does come. The murder case of Caleb Flynn, this American idol star and youth or music pastor at a non-denominational congregation, who murdered his wife to please his mistress. We'll get to that in a moment. People cannot figure out why this guy would do it. First though, I want to tell you about preborn. There's a lot more to say first, they're going to preborn.com slash noles, can it have you LES? Here's some good news. Through the Ministry of preborn, more than 50,000 babies have been saved this year alone and more than 5100 people have made commitments to Christ. Those are extraordinary numbers. And the reason this ministry works is simple.

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28:45I'm not done. Stop cutting me. I slide. Have you been following this case? I don't follow the true crime stuff. I'm not like a 40 year old woman. I know this is not my main interest. And yet, I cannot stop following this case. I don't watch American Idol. I never heard of this guy before in my life. Caleb Flynn. He was a contestant on American Idol. He had this beautiful wife. He's got these young kids. And he murdered his wife. He murdered his wife because he was having a fair with some younger woman. It's not that it would excuse it in any case. But his wife was beautiful. His wife was beautiful. She seemed really, really lovely. And he decided he was going to murder his wife so that he could be with his mistress. And it all fell apart and he got caught. And he was just convicted of it yesterday. And you look at him. He looks like a complete ghoul. This is Caleb Flynn when he was on American Idol. I love to sing. So that's why I auditioned. Maybe my wife kind of nudged me a little bit too. My first thought when I got my golden ticket, honestly all I could do

29:50was cover my face because I cried a little bit. Kind of a cry baby. I get it from my mom and my dad. But it was honestly just pure joy, excitement. I tried out for American Idol two or three years ago and I didn't make it. And so to get this was all the more sweeter and all the more meaningful. So it was awesome. The person that inspires me to be an performer I guess would say, I would say the Lord. I'm a music pastor. And so that's my job every week is to go up there and to sing and to connect what I do on stage with the congregation. So first and foremost, obviously, is the Lord. Thing that makes me unique, you know, I absolutely love the Lord. I love my wife more than anything. She is very, very pretty. Just who I love her. But you know, I'm just a normal person who absolutely loves to sing. Whoa man, the video makes it so much spookier. I think it's all this backstory that is what makes the case so compelling and so horrifying. And it makes us a little introspective.

30:52He says, Oh, the two things you should know about me, I love my wife and I love the Lord. Then he goes on to murder his wife and betray his God by violating a very, very serious commandment. Right off the bat, people watching this are going to notice this guy's a little effeminate. He's a little effeminate. He's a little bit of a do-gooder. He reads like a lib. You know me, look, I cry. You know, I cry a little bit. That's me. You know, I'm not afraid to say it. You know, I get it from we all know guys like this. And especially in the context of whatever we were talking about the Cornell 7 and the relations between men and women, just a sign to women. If you see a guy like this who's really soft and effeminate, maybe a little feminist, he's run, run. Those guys are brutal. Those guys, they're the worst man. You see a guy who's a little, a little bit tougher, maybe he's a little more old fashioned, a little patriarchal. Our modern society says that guy's the threat to you. That guy's not the threat to you. It's the feminist guy. It's the soft guy. It's the effeminate guy. He's the threat to you. There's something wrong. It's eerie. It's like

31:55that's the first scene in the horror movie. And he sets it up. It's so on the nose. It says, oh, you know, whatever else, the two things I care most about in this world are my wife and my god, both of whom he betrays in the most spectacular of ways. So here's the guy beforehand. Caleb Flynn. He looks good. Look at a decent looking guy. Look at that beautiful wife. Beautiful, lovely wife. They're smiling together. I don't know. They look like they're at some museum or something. Maybe they're going on vacation. No, they look nice and young and healthy. Fast forward to today. This guy looks like a character in Dante's inferno. This guy, if you're just listening to the show right now, he looks like a demon. He looks like he has been hollowed out. Sunk and cheeks. I seem to have gone in the back of his head. He lost his hair. It's not just that he has aged. It is that he has aged miserably. It looks like this guy's being rotted out from the inside, not by a physical cancer necessarily, though perhaps by a spiritual cancer that has a relation

32:55to the physical because our souls have a relation to our bodies because we're highlamorphic beings. Then in this trial, last little clip from this trial, the mistress reads out the text messages that that husband who just loves his wife and loves his God. He's a pop singer. He's a pastor at this non-denominational church. He's just like a nice real casual feels guy. These are the texts that he's sending to his mistress. Is she texted these? Sorry. I just wish I didn't say this. There was a message said.

33:57I mean it says I want to kill her Caleb. Who said that? Me. Next message. I said it's so bad. Next message. He said that makes two of us. There are about 100,000 of these messages and it's not just him. It's the mistress saying, I just want to kill her. I just want to kill your wife, the mother of your daughters, so that we can be together. He says, oh yeah, me too. It goes on. I won't go through all the texts. He said, oh, I was up all night trying to think of ways to kill her. If I could kill her without being arrested for it, I would do it in a heartbeat. He does. He kills her and then he stages the murder scene as if it were a break-in. The cops realized right away this was not a break-in. In fact, when he called 911 dispatch, they said, what happened? He goes, my wife, there was an intruder and my wife was shot in the head twice. If you stumble across your wife, God forbid,

34:57you stumble across your wife dead in a murder scene. You're not going to say, yeah, I think she was shot twice. Once on the right side of her head, once on the left side of her head, you're not going to give that kind of detail. He knows it because he did it. They catch him doing it. One last bit. I know I said that the reading of the texts was the last bit on it. Here's his reaction because his reaction is going to cut to the core of I think a lot of people's misperception of this crime. You're showing the crime scene. The lawyers are showing the crime scene. Caleb Flynn looks at it and he reacts in a way that I think is totally genuine and sincere. He looks at the crime so he looks horrifying. He has to look away. He looks like he's going to vomit. He's crying. He's disgusted. He looks scared. He looks scared. He looks like a little kid. Looking at the crime scene, looking at what he did. This is the part that matters for all of us.

36:01If this were just a murder story, you say, okay, I don't care about true crime. But this is a story about all of us because what a lot of people want to say about Caleb Flynn is this guy is a stone cold sociopath. This guy is a stone cold killer. He never loved his wife. He never loved his God. It was all fake. He's a manipulator. But he's not. He's not, in fact, his transformation from that good looking young guy to this demonic looking creature that could come out of Dante. To me, that is an evidence that this guy, he really in a way did love his wife, that this guy is not without feeling. That this guy actually feels a lot, that he realizes the gravity of what he's done. If he were just a stone cold sociopath, he'd look like Ted Bundy. He wouldn't be bothered at all. He'd look at the murder scene. It might turn him on. That's not what we're seeing. It's very easy to write him off as a sociopath because that means

37:03he's different than we are. But he's not. The scariest part of this story is that that guy is basically no different than you and I. The scariest part of that story is you look at that guy, you say there, but for the grace of God, go, I could do that. I could do that. You could do that. Now, I don't think you're going to do. I don't think I'm going to do that anytime soon. I know a sweet little Elise is listening to this show. I'm not going to, don't worry. I'm not going to do it. But the anthropological point is very important here because that guy is not fundamentally different than any of us. Do you know how this happened? You know how he got to the point where he murdered his wife, the mother of his children for this crazy mistress. And now he looks like he's being rotted out and he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison or the executed. I don't know exactly what the punishment is. Do you know how that happened? It happened because of a lot of little sins. It happened because I bet that guy, I bet he was looking at pornography. I bet. I don't know that for a fact, but I don't think you go from

38:03totally happy married family guy with a beautiful wife to murdering your wife for your mistress without some intermediary step. You know what I bet? It started out. He started looking at the girls in the congregation. And some of those girls look pretty nice. And then maybe he looked at some girls on the internet. And some of them look pretty nice too. Maybe he was talking to some of them. He was obviously talking to his mistress. And then he escalated it a little further. He goes in and he goes in and has coffee with the mistress. And then he escalates it a little further. Maybe then he gets a motel room with the mistress. Oh, that just once though. And then maybe does it twice. And then maybe they're talking a little bit. And then maybe he starts talking about divorcing his wife. But he can't divorce his wife because his career requires him to be a pastor at this non-denominational church. So if he divorced his wife, that'd be a huge scandal. He can't do that. But he really wants to be with his mistress while the only way he can do it. I guess, I guess if his wife died, then he could be with his mistress and he starts fantasizing about that. Then he's entertaining all of these thoughts in his mind. He's chewing on them. And he's

39:04staying up late. And he's thinking, I was just a fantasy. But maybe what if my wife died? What if I killed her? Well, that would be a way that she could die. And then, and then he's living more and more of his life in this kind of fantasy. And the more he does that, more he's thinking about these awful things, more he's doing some awful things, the less he's doing the good things, the less he's thinking about others, the less he's thinking about his kids, the less he's thinking about his wife. And it's this turning of the will, this total turning away from what he should be doing away from God into all of this evil. And the thing about the relation of the mind and the will is that eventually the fantasy starts to become reality. This is, I mentioned Dante earlier. We haven't talked about Dante enough on the show recently. The final lines of Dante is that, well, actually the final lines of the canticles involve the turning of Dante's will. And then the final line of the whole poem is that he looks up and he sees the sun that moves the sun, the other starts, this idea of this turning of this movement of doing something.

40:04And eventually he does it. And he can't, but it happens so fast. You know, one of the most basic aspects of sin is that sin is really stupid. It's absurd. It's contrary to reason and it's contrary to our flourishing. And it just makes us unhappy, even though if we think it makes us happy in the short run. And what's so scary is this guy realizes that he's done basically the most awful thing you can imagine. And it's like a revelation to him. Looking at that on the screen, it's like a revelation. How did I get here? And the thing is all of, hopefully none of us have murdered our wives or anything. But all of us, we've all done something that we regret. And it's hard to how did we get here? It doesn't just happen in a flash. It happens with all those little things. And all those little things the rot begins. That is what sin does. That is how sin works. And it should be a big wake-up call.

41:04When you want to do that, just that little bad thing, just that tiny little, I just want to do a little gossip at work. Just a little bit of, I just want to, I want to scream at that guy when I'm driving on the road, a little bit of road rage. I want to use those naughty words. Just that's what's the big deal. I want to look at some naked ladies on the internet. I just want to, I want to flirt with that. And you think you can control it. But you can. And eventually, left unchecked. But for the grace of God, you end up like that guy. Okay. It's me, the, we don't need the jingle twice. Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how price line negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights, and rental cars. Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels and the price line app. Time to read the timeline. Fine. No one deals more deals then. Please stop. Price line. Two Shay. Price line.

42:04Price line. Speaking of crimes or potential crimes, I do want to turn to the Cornell 7 because you want to talk about shocking turns of proven and sunny-hosted and on the view is suddenly become the voice of reason in this Cornell case. First though, my favorite comment, yes, it's from Jim Bo Andy, who says, I, if can be debated, I think it can be debated. If the death penalty will deter or reduce crime, but it is a fact that it will stop repeat offenders. That's true. There's no question about that. That does, that's, you don't need a PhD in criminology to know that sunny, hostile. Well, all of the lives we're going after these Cornell kids who engaged in this pretty gross orgy with this girl who appeared pretty willing to do it, but now she's claiming that she was raped. Well, all the lives are going after these guys. They're going to reopen the criminal case based on this new civil lawsuit, the civil lawsuit, which contradicts apparently what the supposed victim told to the school and the police in the early stages after all the hearings

43:06from the schools that were definitely biased against the guys, but didn't find any criminal wrong doing sunny, hostile comes in and says, hey, you know what? They're not guilty. I actually have the statement that Jane Doe wrote at that time and just give it to us in the sentence, we're not a lot of time. It's, it's, it's several pages long. I know, but it's nine pages long. And I will say that under current New York state law, voluntary intoxication or drug use and she voluntarily drank a lot. She voluntarily took a snorted ketamine off of one of the boys' body parts. She allowed other boys and consented to other boys snorring ketamine off of her body. So that means if you voluntarily ingest drugs, you voluntarily take alcohol, you can agree to have three sums, which in her statement she agreed to have two separate three sums. One boy did walk in,

44:09one young man did walk in and say, everybody out. So there was one person that did that. And according to her statement, three of the young men did not touch her. The pictures of these young men who have not been charged, not been adjudicated are being plastered all over the internet. I think people are reporting this story inaccurately. I think they're reporting it unfairly. And while this is something that we have to take very seriously, there is no way, according to her statement in 2024 that any prosecutor would have brought. She was in talks. Voice of reason, Sunny Austin didn't see that one coming. And why is she saying this? One, I think that maybe some of the news networks learned a lesson from that Duke LaCrosse case. This seems like a repeat of the Duke LaCrosse case from 2025 years ago when these prostitutes or strippers went over to the Duke LaCrosse house and they said that the Duke LaCrosse team raped them and the lives of these kids were ruined.

45:10And then it turned out it was fake. They didn't, they didn't, they hired the strippers. But no one raped anybody. It was just totally made up and these kids lives were ruined for nothing. I think maybe the news networks are saying, all right, well, look, when we're faced with basically the exact same case, maybe we should be a little slower to condemn these guys, especially when all the evidence we do have is that they didn't commit a crime. So you've got the conservatives, you have these right wingers who are saying, hold on, this, this is just me to 2.0, but it's even more absurd because there's no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing here other than drugs and booze. And even here you have the liberals, the leftists. So then the question is, what are we arguing about? What are we talking about when it comes to the Cornell case? Who knows? I mean, I, they'll maybe reopen the criminal investigation. Maybe they'll prosecute. I suspect they won't ultimately because for the same reason that they prosecute two years ago because the evidence just isn't there. This woman is now changing her story and making all sorts of claims in a civil lawsuit. That's

46:11to be expected. There's really not a lot of evidence. There were multiple hearings about the sign campus, the campus, which is especially at that time inclined to believe the women and to take away the rights of the men. And it didn't, there's not a lot of evidence here. So what are we talking about? It seems to me that the left is doing what it always does. And it is reinventing Christian morality from first principles. First or second principles. The left comes in in the 1960s and they say, hey, you stodgy Christian conservatives, your sexual morals and principles are awful. They're terrible. We're going to blow them up. Now we're going to have free love and we're going to have contraception and we're going to have LGBT stuff and we're going to eventually abolish marriage and redefine it. And we're going to deal with that. You dumb conservatives. This is the age of Aquarius. We're all going to be liberated. And so we say, okay, we lost. All right, that's fine. The lips redid sexual morality. Okay. I mean, they didn't really remake morality, but they remade all of our mores and laws and standards. Okay. And then what happens? Everything goes to pot.

47:13This is like a, a heritamus Bosch painting. You know, it just, you, you get the, the morning, the age of Aquarius, everything is going to look really, really nice. And you get to the end of the garden of earthly delight. And it's just decadence and decay and filth. And it's so disgusting. And then the lips say, well, this is gross. Hold on. We can't have this. You know, I mean, look, even if someone didn't violate the letter of the law, they clearly violated some principle. but they don't know how to say it, because they refuse to use the language of traditional morality and Christian morality. So they say, no, no, no, it just something went wrong. And even though the girl said, basically the whole time, I am consenting to this, I'm not consenting to that, I do consent to this, I do the orgy began when she wanted it to, it ended when she wanted it to, the things she wanted to have happened happened, the things she said she didn't wanna have happened, didn't happen. It's basically a clear cut of case, amid a ketamine-fueled orgy, as you can possibly imagine. And they say, implausibly, well,

48:13even though she said all of those things, even though she affirmatively consented the whole time, it has to have been rape. It has to, even if she said, I'm consenting, even if the law says she was consenting, it can't have been consensual, because we know it was wrong. And you're right, it was wrong, you're right. But you don't possess the moral language to explain why it was wrong, so you're saying something that isn't true. And you're trying to prosecute them for a crime they didn't commit. But you do have this modest inkling of a true intuition, which is that you have this is wrong. But hey, I've got, instead of just like redefining words and redefining consent and ex-post facto, trying to change the law and throw these guys in prison or whatever, I have an idea, what if we just return to the Christian morality that's served our civilization for nearly 2000 years? What if we just do that? Is if we do that, your problems will be resolved.

49:15Same thing, when they complain about, the lives complain about how women have this double standard, they're expected to go out there and where they have to go out and work today, but they're also expected to keep home and cook and clean. And you know, these women, they're expected to go out and work, but they want to stay home and raise their kids. And this is a horrible double standard. I say, hey, I've got a solution for you. And you don't need big federal policies for it. And you don't need to like fundamentally change human nature. You can just do what women did forever. And men can do what men did forever with their naturally inclined to do and everyone will be happier. No, no, no, we can't do that. That's conservative in Christian. And okay, all right, so we're just gonna keep wrongly reinventing, inaccurately reinventing Christian morality from first principles. Okay, all right, whatever. Hypocrisy is the tribute vice-based virtue. Love more I want to get to, but today's theology Thursday. The rest of the show continues now. You do not want to miss it. Become a member of UseCodeNolz, K-N-A-W-L-A-S, and check out for two months free on all annual plans. Bingo! Bingo! Bingo!

50:15Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! I really significant move in in history. I started with protesting. How have I tried? I'm talking talk. This is our generation civil rights. I have no idea what the protest is about. Bingo, given the current climate, should have figured as polarizing as place sounders, even be allowed on campus. Okay, hear me okay. Daughters is a close personal friend of Chancellor Freeman. This is a decision I cannot fight. Islam will conquer the West. Samoanikum. Are we paying attention? They've taken over the building. They're downstairs and they've blocked the doors. I seek forgiveness from Allah, the Almighty. We cannot run and hide. Muhammad is the messenger of God. There is no God but Allah. What do you say? We turn those vessel beams into a fine red mist. As we move, one man will cover while the other guys go.

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