Embedded fifth columns and threats to US security

0:00Welcome to another edition of Travel Out reports on America Out Loud. Today we hear with a regular guest of the show of National Security Expert Travis Karmz, K-A-R-N-E-S. Now, Travis, can you tell people where they can find you, I believe you have a substake, etc? Yeah, I have a substack. That's Carolina Prepping 01. I'm also on Twitter. I also write in real clear defense and also America's survival publication with Cliff King-Kade. Right. Good. Cliffs a good friend of the show. Just before we start, you've written a great

1:02new paper, a very, very succinct, but I think it lays out the threats we face or where we have to pay attention. And just a couple of simple things, programs that we need to get started to deal with it. But first, Travis, just for the audience to benefit, what got you into defense studies? What was your trajectory that led you to what you do today? It started a little around before the 9-11 attack. I had just started studying the extremism of Islamic fascism and then navigated my way into also studying the threats from Russia and China along with other Marxist internal threats as well. And then it just progressed from there. So you've been doing this pretty much your entire

2:06working career by the sound of things? Yes, exactly. So you've obviously interacted with all sorts of defense professionals and written numerous papers. Just before we start, why do you think defense people have so much trouble getting the government to acknowledge the threats we face, let alone do something about it? Why is there a, does it tend to be a bias against the government actually publicizing these threats or talking to the American people about them? I think it's a combination of various things. Internally, I think it's what I would call napping syndrome, most of the nation, including those within the enchilance of our national security and defense and war department are asleep napping. I also think it the Russia, China,

3:16scissors strategy of exploiting the partisan divide also has a hand in it as well. And just another combination last back is just the average American just doesn't care. It did go about their daily lives, the linear effect. But there was a time back in the 50s and the 60s where, for instance, Americans were a lot more concerned about communism than they are today. A lot more, they were aware of nuclear threats coming from the Soviet Union and the government would talk about them and the government would talk about communist infiltration. But they seem to downplay that kind of things these days as though not to scare the public, not to upset the economy, to keep the money flowing. And do you think there's any truth in that? Oh yeah, there's a ton of truth in that. You have that. You have bread and circus

4:21entertainment, be it in the sports world, play with music, or what I dub, political bread and circus, you know, just the the distractions of all the nonsense you see in Washington that has that has a dullness effect on the American people. Yeah, there's so much going on with such bad bandwidth of garbage to suppose the serious issues just get sideline. Yeah, it's funny Trevor, back in 2006 on his farewell address former senator or then senator Rick sent warm gave this beautiful, passionate farewell address regarding the threats of Iran and Iranian proxies and what he called quoting Winston Churchill, the gathering storm. And here we are 20 years, almost 20 years to the

5:30day of his farewell address and everything he talked about, everything that he warned about has come into fruition. So he was very present. Well, look, look, I know that about two or three years ago, there was an Iranian spy network and covered in the National Security Council and other very important bodies of government in this far as to know those people are still there. Oh yeah, yeah, Iranian, Iranian fifth columns are are knee deep all over this all over the spectrum across the nation embedded in the State Department, Defense Department, local state government, they are they are highly trained how he motivated, they are well within deep into the fabric of American society. They have cross channel communication with with with Iran and Soviet Russian and

6:37Chinese networks, they've also collaborated with North Korea and North Korea. It's got their fifth columns embedded. They're their embassy sends communication channels and cryptic messages to Pyongyang in my for through Mexico and through South American channels. Why do we even have an embassy here? But like I know that you know, you look at the Quincy Institute, which is run by Treetopassi, a well-known partisan of NIAQ, which has been described as the Mollars main operation in the United States, the National Iranian Action Council I think it is. And the Quincy Institute puts out all this pacifist propaganda. It has actually Marxists on its on its letterhead. No, I had a conservative friend or I respect very deeply. Look at the I said, looking should look at Quincy, they are really bad. And this person looked at it and said, oh, what's the problem?

7:43Just didn't see the obvious difficulties with this organization and the influence that it has on the American conservative movement and the pacifist streak in the American conservative movement, which is definitely lost by our enemies. But you're looking forward here, you're looking at the various areas of difficulty of threat. And can you run us through them? Like, I give us the title of the paper. And then I want to go through each section very briefly and just give us a little bit of a rundown of what you talk about. But I don't know if the paper is Trump's multi-domain world war realities. And in it, I go into explicit detail, dealing with the four main feeders of conflict on the world spectrum that are

8:45currently seeing either kinetic warfare or some type of hybrid warfare, extensively, be it in what we're seeing in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Indo-Pacific theater, also in the Middle East as the Houtis and the Iranians are expanding the war. The Houtis wants the military offensive against the remaining holdout of the main government in Yemen along with Saudi Arabia, but also dealing with China's cross-breaching in nuclear armaments, blackout warfare, along with satellite and space warfare and Russia's nuclear ambition. And we break that down a little bit for one of the times.

9:46Well, is it fair to say we are really in world war three right now? We really are whether we realize it or not? Definitely, definitely. We are in a very soft world war. It's not like war war two or war one of past. It's more sophisticated, more analytical. Let me just give you an example of in my article recent congressional reports indicated that Russia and China have now been able to concoct and come up with whether changing weaponry. To manipulate the weather patterns. So we've been talking about that for many years that this is on the horizon. So our government is claiming the Russians and the Chinese that are able to manipulate where the patterns

10:48now in real time. Yes. And so to what degree could they create a hurricane? Could they just create heavy rainfall and a certain area or a certain time? What scope would there be for that sort of thing? How far advanced are they? They can do that. They can alter speed and cooling capacity to create systemic paper cold or drought conditions such as if they wanted to create drought conditions in the Midwest to affect our ag and ag farming. They have that ability to do that. And they are continually to advance these types of weapons along with other game changing, altering weapons that can have a very, very broad dynamic effect on

11:50only on the American economy, the American way of life, but also our national sovereignty and defense as we know it. They can affect our supply chain and disrupt our food supply and our supply chain abilities. And the world supply chains are already strained. And the world supply exactly. So would that be up into including starting a storm even instigating a hurricane or or staring a hurricane to a different path or something of that nature? Oh definitely. Definitely. Okay. Maybe I shouldn't be in Florida. Okay. So seriously, the US government is saying this now. See, I'm not hearing this on the national news at all. No, no, you're not. Yeah, they've come out over the last few weeks for various

12:52congressional reports and they're saying it now. None of the mainstream media, Fox, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS is or any of their other affiliates are talking about it or discussing it or bringing it to the attention of the American people. It's just the kabuki bread and circus of Washington is what they talk about and just the doldy American people. So what says that complicit? What do you think American has such technology? I do. Yeah. I do believe we have our, we have our own type of tech. How far to the extent that I have no idea, but not, we'll not be able to know unless I did more fine finding research and have already been applied in certain theaters that we don't know about, you know, that who knows who caused a certain hurricane or a blizzard and you sit in time. There, there, there is rumor and speaking of which,

13:59there is rumor and indowentive that we shot down a Chinese satellite in space. I think Gordon Chang had reported that he believed that as Trump had announced our space warfare was our, our space force warfare was mobilized that a Chinese satellite came apart and he believed in his conjecture of opinion that we were able to shoot down and destroy that Chinese satellite. Yesterday Larry Skubert, I don't know if if your followers know or are aware of Larry Skubert, he is the author of America's Patriot Guide to History. He came out with a tweet yesterday that I thought was rather interesting. We've seen all this about Donald Trump talking about the extensions of the ballroom and the Victor's heart. And in it, he is also wanting to put in the

15:05military complexes with inside or around the area and Larry tweeted out that he thinks obviously Trump knows some type of intelligence or something that could maybe potentially point to a futuristic attack on the nation's capital. Right. So, so this isn't just about a ballroom. This is about deep security that might be very valuable in time of emergency. Yeah, exactly. And I thought that was what that was rather interesting for Larry's a good guy. He's very sound, but he normally is very careful about what he says and how he says it for him to tweet something like that. I thought was rather because he's not a doomed doomsday or a fatalist or any of that. But for him to tweet something like that, I thought was rather was rather telling and very interesting in place

16:08into my article today. Okay. Everett. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. It's a more credibility. So, so we have the Ukraine issues simmering away. Russia is obviously in deep trouble. The Ukraine is struggling to keep up with with their supply chain and armaments and they're not getting much from America right now apparently. And so that's a pro that's not going to go away anytime soon unless there's something dramatic happens. And that could expand there's already, you know, there's already hybrid war in Europe. European nations are preparing their people for war publicly. So and see, this is something you're never here in America. You know, the Germans, the Finns, Swedes are talking to their people about preparing for war in Russia. And you think you're all over Fox News, but you never see anything here. No, no fact. Last last last month, Poland mobilized their armor armor and mechanized armor units to the front.

17:15They've called up thousands and thousands of their other soldiers. They are deeply entrenching themselves. And for a for what they believe is a potential attack on their soil. You also see Estonia doing the same. Fettinland is doing the same. Today, it came over the wire that Russian Russian choppers infiltrated Polish airspace. And we've seen this with drones, but now they're getting it bowled into using helicopters and attack choppers. And said, what Russia's doing, like you said, they're on the ropes in Ukraine. The Ukrainians are still holding out. And so now Russia's trying to expand the war on the eastern flank to try to get a, let's all come to the table type of deal where Putin will try to manipulate them and Trump into getting into some type of we promise type deal and to essentially

18:19wait out the president. And then once Trump's out of office, he'll violate the terms of the agreement and try to go in for the kill shot on Ukraine, knowing that the dullness and the little Farge guys that even more into the American fabric. And it gets to the point that the American government and war American defense will do nothing if anything at all, leaving Ukraine to the walls. Well, it just doesn't bear thinking about it, but that's clearly the Russians cannot win on the battlefield. They can only win by dividing NATO and manipulating the Trump administration, which is what they're paying for, you know, a Russian oligot paying for Donald Trump Jr's wedding. Yeah. Can't get more a blatant example of influence peddling than that that I can see. That's just unbelievable. And that should be front page news, but again, it hasn't really made much of a splash. But okay, the Ukraine thing is festering. So Iran,

19:25what the heck is going on there is Trump going to try and continue through to victory, to a regime change. Do you think he's trying to do a deal? What do you think is happening there? What and what should happen there? I see with a random two steps forward, one step back. I have a situation where Trump is again saying he's prepared to completely and totally annihilate the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime, like I said earlier, they've expanded the war by using their proxies to futees to launch military offensive into Yemen as well as to attack Saudi Arabia and other neighboring states while also trying to solidify their hold on the Red Sea and the Susanne Canal. In addition to what they have on the straight up for months, I think President Trump would be advised to, and actually just published a laser article in America's survival that was

20:35published this morning, I would advise President Trump to initiate a general Lemia Curtis missile air campaign to completely and totally, totally, obliterate all the Iranian nuclear facilities. Hold off on regime change for now, but completely obliterate their nuclear facilities and your ability to capacity their nuclear facilities and structure and literally break them beyond that point. And then what these railies or whoever in that region continue forward on if they want to do regime change, but for Trump's key victory now is to just completely annihilate all Iranian nuclear facilities and nuclear infrastructure and just decimate it beyond, beyond repair.

21:36I don't think we should get involved into a ground war offensive or say, but definitely launch a general Lemia Curtis style missile air campaign to annihilate their nuclear facilities. Because the like the Russians, the Iranians are trying to bog Trump down and buying time. Yeah, so it's very problematic. So you're saying really degrade their capacity right now, but not launch ground invasion. And what about the prospects for future regime change then? Is that really to be put on the back burner or what? Yeah, I would put it on the back burner for now. Yeah, keep it on the back burner for now and get a tactical victory by completely annihilating

22:40their nuclear facilities. Similar to what the Israelis did in Syria and Iraq when they completely obligated Assad and Saddam's ability to create and build nukes. Right. And so, okay, what about getting the straight reopened? Yeah, that too. We definitely need to get the straight-up remarks opened and abbreviate Iranian coastal systems and their ability to mine the straight or attack the straight with coastal battery and drone units. Annihulate that. Give the Saudis what they need to take out the hooties. Yeah. Okay. So, but so complete degradation of their forces, the opening of the straight. But maybe allow for internal pressures and the Kurds and others to achieve the regime change.

23:45Maybe with some time. Yeah. Because I think this is all for nothing if we don't achieve regime change in the end. Yeah. Yeah. The overall strategic goal is definitely regime change. And right right right now, I think on the tactical level, taking out the the nuclear facilities would bust a major fall into their Iranian regime. It would also give President Trump here in America a domestic rupturing because he has. It's critical with the elite midterms coming up, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. So, running out of time for to do this. Okay. So, in the Indo-Pacific now, by the time you hear this, maybe the summit was G would have taken Trump. Some it was G would have taken place. But how do you think that figures

24:47in the broader Indo-Pacific, the challenge from China, North Korea and even India? What should be happening here? What are the broad challenges and what should be done to deal with them? Yeah. I wrote in real clear defense, we are out of does. And in that, I wrote that we need to take a more hawkish and harder stances against the communist regime of China, not doing these elaborate, beautiful little, little summits and giving Xi Jinping the pageantry and the runoff, making him a partner like, but rather treat him like the adversary and the foot that he really is. Look, quick, just call a quick break here, Travis. Sure. Backed straight after this short break because I really want to hear that.

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28:04Welcome back to America Out Loud with Trevor Loud and Trevor Loud and of course. So Travis, Travis Kahn's is talking about getting a lot tougher in China. And he think that would help us with North Korea and maybe get India more on our side. Oh, definitely, definitely. We definitely would definitely do that. Xi Jinping is consolidating his relationship with North Koreans. And he's also extending all of branches to India. They met at the BRICS summit as China looks to solidify their regional influence in that area, in that regard. But we definitely need to facilitate more harder tougher stances. Again, China, we also need to mobilize and strengthen our regional

29:04alliances with Japan along with South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and other Indo-Pacific nations who understand the severity of the threat of the communist Chinese. I am happy to see President Trump deploying the American B-52 bombers in the region. Australia has agreed to host the bombers. I'm happy to see that. There is a lot of other work that needs to be done in Indo-Pacific. Another article I wrote that actually went kind of viral, demon slayer, I mean, not demons about the dragon slayer, has a more broader outline of what we need to do to contain the Chinese in conjunction with my latest article, We Are Out of Doves. The Chinese have in their papers and in

30:08their policy statements at the clear that America is number one adversary to them, to their goals of global governance and world dominance. Yeah, I mean, the key point is that they still want to control the world. That's changed. That's changed. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And what many don't understand as much as the first in this new Cold War is ideological, it's also for about influence and power over resources and who has that, you know, he who controls the air and the sea rules the world. And I think many America, I think many in America feel the scene understand it. You know, I was telling some proper influencer, I forget his name,

31:09he was, he was tweeting this thing about, you know, American involvement in Europe and Asian how we should be involved. And I said, well, what would you do if Russia and China control the air, our airspace and our our our our scene navigation. I mean, how do we have commerce in our ability to carry out commerce to our economy if Russia and China have have in their controls the air spaces and the seas in which to do that. Oh, yeah, what was the response I didn't think. Yeah, he just, you know, just went on just a typical, you know, it's neocons, it's that. There is no threat. You know, this is just the neocons making up all these threats. If we live in this, Russia and China will leave us alone. If we have a multipolar world and China, Russia gets Europe and China gets a Pacific, we can all have happily. There is a little

32:09theory. I just wanted to see what you think. I think India really wants to go with the West, but they will go with whoever is stronger. And so that's, yeah, the narrative that of Trump is very tough with China. That's more likely to make India lean in our direction. What, what do you think? Oh, yeah, definitely. Here, here, here, you're a thousand person, a thousand percent spot on. That's definitely how India operates, whoever, whoever is the strongest both regionally and abroad is who they're going to sink their teeth into and go with. The late, the late Jeff head, I don't know if you've heard of him, but he was one of the main designers of the fat, of the bad missile systems. He wrote a military techno friller kind of post World War III type scenario in which China and Russia and Iran, along with a

33:13reluctant India, comes to attack the US. India joins because they see the strength of Russia and China and they see the weakening and diminishing of the US. Yeah, kind of kind of, so you're in that system. Yeah, I think their values are more with us, but they're going to look out for themselves. So it's imperative, you know, I want, I want India on our side. I don't know, I do not want India with Russia and China. And we know that's strong. So that they will feel confident enough to take the risk because China could hit them at any time with New York's, any time. But, um, and so now you also talk about strategic, you talk about the New York's, you talk about EMP AI space. Now, just on the AI front, there's a big movement in this country right now to shut down all the data centers or show to stop the growth of data centers, etc. And I find that whenever

34:17I look at this, the local movements are always run by Communist Party USA and democratic socialists of America and local patriots who are concerned about privacy and land use and they don't trust big tech is, and people are arguing this point is China pushing the anti-datacenter movement in this country. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely, they've got their, they've got their grips and to the into the anti-datacenter movement and other broader movements into that that they have, as they want to have sole control of AI as AI is, excuse me, sorry, AI is the new space race. Whoever seizes it and controls it and gets it first will have absolute total dominion of it

35:21in a thousand percent aspect. And so, um, I, I share, so this is a stinture really, who controls AI will control the planet? Who? Yeah, exactly. They'll, they'll be in a position to destroy us if that dominoid AI. Exactly. And I, and I do share and understand the concerns that many of the citizenry and the station have regarding, regardless of all that. But we have to have a more common sense approach to all this, um, a balance, though to speak, in our ability to navigate and to the, in order to be the Chinese to this because of China does end up defeating us into the, in this competition, then they will have gained a such a strategic advantage over us that

36:21they will be able to bend us right into their will. And they will be able to gather, like you said, India will go with them and other nations both in, in the Pacific and in Europe and, and other abroad will also come to despair of Chinese communist influence if they were able to defeat us in this, in this area. So this is in some ways even more important than the nuclear arms race, isn't it? Oh, definitely, definitely, definitely. And this is a point I must get to my friends out there because many of my friends are, you know, the good conservators, and they're trying to stop the local data center and they don't trust Big Tech and they're, you know, who can blame them after, uh, or, or, or big media, who can blame them after COVID? And, and so, um, but, this is the thing, you know, no matter what we get right about this country, if we do not dominate in the AI, we will be destroyed. And I'm not saying our competed will be destroyed.

37:23Yeah. You know, the Chinese are very clear and many publications, they want to occupy our land and destroy this country too. Oh, definitely. We put their people on. So, so that's the big battle and I really want people to understand that point. Now, you have what you call a liberty renewal doctrine. Now, what, what do you, I think I know what that means, but what, what this liberty renewal doctrine means to you? So, the liberty renewal doctrine is, in and of itself, the brand new Ronald Reagan military doctrine similar to what Reagan launched in the late 70s and 80s, but this is more modernized to take on the modern threat that we, as a nation, are dealing with that it's imperative that we as a nation conquer and defeat both domestically and abroad. It's a

38:27combination of naval build up nuclear build up modernizing our military, reestablishing our munitions and supply chain, along with winning the fight in AI in space warfare, and also operating under the Reagan mantle of peace through strength, we win, they lose. It's not isolationism, it's not endless war nation building, but rather it tackles into the into the main sphere of what, of what President Ronald Reagan championed and believed in when he was running for and while he was president of these United States. And the liberty renewal doctrine is just conceived on the on the basis of liberty of American Hamiltonian federalism, Jeff, Jeff Sonian, Democratic republicanist, Americanism, and the Monroe doctorate as well.

39:32What President Ronald Reagan was really great at, he took the best from everything and he put it together for the usage of not only winning the Cold War, but making America as he described it a city on a shining hill. Right, so it wasn't, America wasn't doesn't exist just to achieve you know the well-being of its people, but also to serve. And I believe this is God's will, to actually serve an example to all the other nations in the world, a direct poll opposite to the evil empire of the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians and the North Koreans. And this is a victorious doctrine, you know Reagan wanted to bring down the evil empire and he partially succeeded. And we could have succeeded if we carried that on instead of

40:35instead of under Bill Clinton just basically pulling back and letting Russia get back on its feet. So, so is this, do you see a world, would you like to see a world where we can are so strong and so resolute and so unwilling to keep bailing out Russia and China that we could actually bring those nations that those tyrannies down? Definitely, definitely. Or wouldn't that be a world to hand on to our grandchildren, eh? They would, they would. Well, it's the only kind of if we don't, there wouldn't be no grandchildren effectively, you know, put it bluntly. So, so okay, this is a standard military buildup, you know, you know, naval, AI, space technology, all of us, all of which I support. There's also a very strong, very detailed comprehensive border security that that that

41:36that taps into President Trump's campaign promises of not only securing securing our southern border, but keeping it security maintained while while also dealing out destruction to the cartels and other evil forces along our southern subrened border that that try to threat or instigate uh internal external problems that affects not only our national security, but affects our ability as as as society of a whole with the drug trade and the drug trafficking and the human trafficking that that has a profound effect on on us as a civil, civil people. You're putting them wildly there. You're also basically drawing the best of of Reagan's international vision with the homeland security vision of Trump, you know, because Reagan wasn't really concerned about internal

42:39security, Machi. He amnestyed what? 2.8 million or something illegal immigrants. Yeah, Reagan's was pretty poor as under Reagan. Yeah, uh, Reagan's that was one of Reagan's shortfalls. His mindset behind the amnesty was he understood that within Latina culture there is a very conservative nuclear family dynamic. Yes, that's very strong. And he believed that by granting amnesty, he would americanize Latinas and bring Latinas into the republican fold. That was that was his whole hindsight 2020, of course, unfortunately, but that was his whole initiative of plan with the amnesty as well as he was also dealing with a democratic controlled house. So he had to give a little to get a little regarding his dealings with with House Speaker Tip of Neil. Right. So there was there wasn't

43:42just no evidence he there was a plan behind it. Yeah, whether that plan panned out or not is something different, but yeah, I in hindsight, I think it was a mistake, but what's done is done. So, but going forward, so what do you say to those who have many of them have infiltrated the Reagan, the Trump administration, the the isolationist, the dogenist, the the Russia friendly crowd who'd say, look, we should have a multipolar world, we should let Russia just control Europe and the near Iran control and Middle East, China can control the Indo-Pacific and we'll just stay happily in the Americas. Now, I believe in the Monroe doctrine, the Don Road doctrine that we should absolutely secure the Americas, you know, the Greenland, the Panama Canal, kick the communist out of Latin America, but but is focusing just on America enough? Is it going to be enough in the

44:46world ahead or do we need to to work against continue to work against the Russians, the Chinese, and the evil empire? Oh, yeah, yeah, we have to. Like I said at the beginning of the broadcast, EU controls the air in the seas, rules the world, and the Russians and the Chinese are out, are out together. For world dominance, world governance, they want a world empire of international communist, globalist, leotist control, where the quote John Calhoun, they are the masters in we of the West are the slaves, and if the West falls in this in this war dynamic, if we fall, there will be nothing to save or to salvage the rest of the world, the rest of the world will falter under the spear of this evil demonic influence. It is the fight

45:50of our century, it is the war to us as the people of this republic to gather together, to fight it together, to work together and to crush it, destroy it for the betterment of us and our future posterity as a nation. We can't hide behind our orders. Lincoln said that if we are the authors, we must, if we are the office of our destruction, we ourselves must write it, and we cannot hide behind isolationism and pretend that all will be well because it won't, because eventually it will come to our front and backyard, right into our cities, right into our communities, and eventually the red dawn scenario, what was once considered a 80s type flick cheesy movie will become reality,

46:50because they've said as much, listen to their words, listen to Putin, listen to Xi, listen to Dugan, listen to their advisors, the Russian advisor said two days ago, if we want to wipe out pulling off the map, we could do it. And these aren't just words, these are truthful statements that they believe in and that they want to do, and you can't negotiate or have peace with people who want to destroy you. They've made up their minds a long time ago, what they want to do, and they're not going to stop until they until they've achieved it. I wholeheartedly agree, you know, look before World War II there was a strong isolation movement in America saying we should keep out of Europe and leave the Nazis alone, and they would say we're not pro-Nazi, we just want to keep out of Europe, but they were pro-Nazi, you know, Lindbergh, their leader got a medal from Hitler, they were pro-Nazi, and I think many of the the let's just let Russia go, let's be multipolar, let's not defend Europe, these people are pro-Russian,

47:58they are in the Russian camp, they're working to portray us to Russia, am I being a little hyperbolic, here am I exaggerating the situation? Oh, no, you're not at all, that's exactly what's happening, whether they know it or not, which I think many must do, but that's exactly how you've stated it's factually correct, there's no other way to see it. Yeah, well, you know, many of these influences in the conservative movement of travel to Russia for meetings with Putin and Dugan, they continually lie about the Ukraine and denigrate a Ukraine, they continually lie about Russia, saying that's a Christian country, they can save us from the Muslims and the and George Soros when they created both of those problems, and so yeah, I think the age of isolationism, isolationism is a suicide strategy, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not also advocating,

49:03we just go to war with everybody, I think we should build up a military and decouple, stop funding the Russians, stop funding the Chinese, stop being soft on rocket boy, stop being, you know, finish the job in Ukraine and Iran, I think that's the way to go, we could use our economic might to bring down, Reagan uses economic might to push the Soviet Union as a retreat without firing a shot, you know, if we're smart, well, I think we can defeat Russia and China and Iran without a lot more shooting if we do it right. Oh, exactly, exactly, we have the resources, we have the capabilities, we have to have the will. The will is the key point is that political will, and that will only come from an informed public, so I think it's essential why you keep doing what you're doing, because you're one of the the the better voices out there to get these realities across.

50:05I want you to talk, you mentioned Hamilton a little while ago, you know, we've got to have the Jefferson commitment to Liberty, but the Hamiltonian commitment to building up our own infrastructure, to building up our own weaponry, to building to safeguarding our country. I think Hamilton was a bit light on Liberty, and Jefferson was a little bit light on understanding security, though he did go after the Bibery Pirates, so I'll grant him full credit for that, but okay, you talk about a martial plan for infrastructure. What do you mean for American infrastructure? What do you mean by that? So American infrastructure, the Manhattan Energy Plan, would drastically expand not only our oil drilling, but our ability to inwardly refine our own oil. On top of that, we need to expand nuclear. We

51:06also need to tap into, re-tap into our coal. West West, my state of West Virginia, like I read my article, my state of West Virginia, is just rich with coal exports and coal mining, and we need we need to facilitate all of that into a very broad strength and energy networking capabilities that will not only reduce the prices at the pump and will have a drastic impact on current inflation, but we'll also keep us from having to be so independent upon the Middle East per se, regarding oil refinery, and it will break the backs of Russia, China, and Iran, in that regard. And one of my earlier articles I had wrote that one of the things I think the President Trump should have done was crash the price of oil, crash it down to as low as we can get it,

52:14so that the Russians and the Chinese would not be able to have money or influence into that, into these sectors, which I think they have too much of a hand in, in my opinion. Well, it would take away the economic leverage that would collapse their economies, and I think the own people would take matters into hand, and put money and uphanging from a land post, as one might keep paying, and I'm not afraid to have it all punished, but if anybody deserves it, it's those two. Oh yeah, yeah, and it would also give Trump a major domestic victory in creating jobs and touting out what he wanted to do in his first 100 days when he retook office as President. You know, one of his goals when he retook office was he wanted to create a new golden age,

53:19and it taps into the national spirit of America as a working class of people, Americans like to work, and it will redefine that times 10. So we know, and we're very happy about the government directing this martial plan to rebuild America's energy infrastructure. That's why I think the government must be involved in this. Yes, exactly, that's what I've written in my article, that the Congress and the Trump administration need to broadly facilitate what I've written in my outline that will just do exactly what Trump campaigned on, make America great again. Well, yeah, you know, I, Eisenhower in the 50s built the highway system in America, and that was the government project, and it was in the National Security Foundation, you know,

54:19Eisenhower saw that as an essential part of our military infrastructure. So we could move tanks around, we could move troops around, we could move logistics around and supplies, and, you know, bring minerals to factories and all that kind of thing more efficiently. So I think that's absolutely sound. And yeah, and you know, tapping into the raw minerals in Appalachia will have a major, which I think is just rich in, will have a major profound impact on our decoupling from China's grab on raw minerals. And that's another war that we have to win, the war of raw minerals and resources. Yeah, look, I think that's exactly right. And also, the government has to get involved in basically telling the energy companies to harden your dam grits, you know, so that we are not vulnerable to either a natural solar EMP type phenomenon,

55:21or a North Korean or a Russian or Chinese EMP attack. The companies do not do this on their own, they have to be mandated by the government to do it. Exactly. Along with also strengthening their cyber defenses as well. Yes. How vulnerable. I mean, we've seen over the last three or four months of cyber attacks all over the place, water companies, different, different other companies have reported of major, synetic, cyber operational warfare that's happening on their grids. Yeah, look, all of the above, you know, I look, I hope your paper gets a lot of attention. I hope I'm going to push it around where I can, but where can people go again to see your materials, see your work? Yeah, again, that is, you can see all my stuff at real clear defense,

56:23also America's survival publication. And I'm soon going to have all my stuff back on sub-stack as well at Carolina prepping so people will be able to see all that. And also have my Twitter account, and people can also see my stuff on Facebook. I post my articles on my Facebook page. You can just traverse, traverse comments on Facebook as well. The Kans is K-A-N-E-S, Travis Kans. Look, I love to talk for a lot longer, Travis. You're always fascinating, but we have to talk to everybody who's only got limited time. So thanks so much. I hope people follow you and look up your materials and distribute it to people and positions of influence. So thanks for coming on and thanks to all the audience for listening. Thank you, sir. Make God bless. Portland, same to you, sir.