E. Michael Jones: The Jewish Question Today

0:00Hello everybody, it's the Catholic State and today I got our special guest here, Dr. E. Michael Jones. And we're going to talk about a few things that are going on in the world regarding Catholic perspective on the Jewish question. So welcome back to the show, Dr. Jones. Thank you. Good to be here. Oh, thank you. And so first off, I want to get started. I know that you have an upcoming debate or dialogue or whatever you want to call it with Gideon. So I figured, you know, we would go ahead and promote that to start off. So what are your thoughts on that? What's that going to be about? Well, it's going to be about Jewish identity after you become a Catholic. The question is, do you have to change? What can you bring into the church? What can you not bring into the church? And there's a lot of confusion out there. So especially with Gideon. So I'm going to, Father Hesberg said, if you let the Jews in, they take over.

1:09I mean, some lady wrote to me, said, that's the Famitori. I said, no, it isn't. No, I think it's one of the most intelligent things Father Hesberg ever said. It's not the Famitori at all. But the question is, what are you going to bring in? And the main thing that I think Jews want to bring in is Jewish privilege. I mean, let's face it. They are the most privileged people on the face of the earth. They can murder women and children and they have a, they can't pass. Nobody holds them accountable for anything who wouldn't want to have this privilege. And then you add that to the fact that when the Catholics are so happy to have you join their church, that you can drag it into the church with you. And then now you got people who want to institutionalize Jewish privilege by having their own right. And I'm saying, bad idea. That's a bad idea. I was involved with a group of Jewish converts came from California.

2:16We're hippies in California and they had an abortion and they drove them, go most drove them crazy Jews. And they, well, who's against abortion? So they all became Catholics. And at that point, okay, when they're down in Kentucky, they do a printing of the magazine. And this is the time when David Moss started promoting the Hebrew right. And they're saying, no, we don't need, this is a crazy idea. But then Mark Druggen changed over that period of time and somehow became a Jew. So I'm at this point. So when I first heard, I'm not interested in other things. I'm not interested in it at all. But now I was writing the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. So I called him up and said, Mark, I'm doing this book. I'd really like to speak to your group. He was going around with Roy Shomon and other people. I think David Moss was probably involved. And he said, well, no, we can't invite you. I said, well, why not?

3:16He said, because you're not a Jew. I said, wait a minute, Mark, you're not a Jew. The minute that water of baptism crossed your forehead, you stopped being a Jew. So what is this suddenly researched? What are you talking about? Are we back to the old DNA story? We've been through this before when the Jews came to Jesus Christ and said, we're the seed of Abraham. So you better take a seriously. I said, you don't have that's not a Jew. You don't have a Jewish identity anymore. No Jew would say that someone, a Jew who got baptized is no longer a Jew. No Jew would say he were a Jew anymore. So then it got, it just didn't know. It got kind of heated. I'm at a wedding, we're at a wedding in Kentucky. The discussion is getting more and more heated. I think Mark had been drinking at that point. And so he starts saying, are you talking about my mother and it's getting, wait a minute,

4:20it's calm down. And so Pat Monahan came over and kind of separated us and he turned to me and he said, this is new. The Jew got drunk and the Irishman broke up the fight. So that was that. No, so it's so that was funny. But now we've got this research at the absolute worst time imaginable. Okay, because now we have all of these silos, silos in the Catholic Church. The most recent example is not a silo anymore, but it was the SSPX. So you got all of these people who want some type of special identity in the Catholic Church. Well, that's over. They've been excommunicated. But let's say homosexuals. Is there a homosexual right? Well, I asked James Martin. What do you want?

5:21So you this is so this was a disaster. A total disaster under under Pope Francis. God bless him. Who he's a Jesuit. So the Jesuits, I mean, I had access to the Vatican right after Francis came in. We had access. We could I helped write Lodateci and then suddenly that vatishes as soon as the Jesuits take over and suddenly you can't even get near the Vatican. But James Martin could get in and see the Pope anytime he wants. James Martin is deliberately muddying the waters here, deliberately muddying the waters in a way that fits perfectly with the cultural agenda. So comes down to the blessing. Remember the blessing? Oh, yeah. What are we blessing? Are you blessing the relationship or are you blessing the individuals?

6:21Well, the Pope would clearly, clearly said, no, it's not. You can't have this. You can't get married. There are two men cannot get married. But people who come like irregular situations in the Catholic Church where you're divorced and you're living with another woman and say, well, that's in your regular relationship. I can't bless your relationship, but I can bless you and you hope that you will regularize the situation one way or the other. Well, that was exactly what the Pope meant when he talked about the homosexuality, but it was totally ambiguous. And the man, the main man who spread all the ambiguity was ambiguity. He was James Martin who consistently gave the impression that they were, he was blessing the relationship. There was a kind of gay marriage. He was clearly undermining the Pope in this. But we don't need this type of ambiguity now because we got a very complicated situation

7:24that no one has straightened out yet, which is basically Jewish identity. What do you mean? What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, so here's the thing though, really that kind of grinds my gears is that this has already been settled. Like we have the second Council of Nicaea, canine, we have fourth ladder in Canine 70. We have Contante Domino from Florence. We have all the Visigothic professions. All this stuff has been settled by the church that when you convert as a Jew, you can't celebrate the old right. This should not even be a question. It's just like the gay cue, the gay question. Should not be a question because it's already been settled by the church. Right. Right. Yeah. It's an absolute right and it's sinful to celebrate it an absolute right. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. So what is it? I can't get an answer. What is this Hebrew? What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? Well, they clearly mean secret. Secretation.

8:25Secret. Secretism. Secretism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the problem. I mean, you look at Gideon and like I had conversations with him. It's like, you know, they want their cake and want to eat it too. They're a house divided against themselves. They, you know, they have two foot and each one foot in each camp, you know, and like you can't, you can't, you know, it says in the gospel, you have to take off the old 11 to put on the new. That's right. I want to do that. Right. That's right. That's really the bottom line. But I'm definitely curious is the how the debate is going to go because it's like when somebody, you know, says they're a faithful Jew. You know, what are the old, the new testament says what being a Jew is like Christ makes it clear. The real Jew is one that believes in what Abraham and Moses believed, which was the son of man, Jesus Christ and not the synagogue of Satan, the fake Jews are the ones that deny that. So how do they, how do they secretize, you know, being a hater and rejector of Christ

9:27with the one true religion that believes in Christ? It's a contradiction in terms, right? No, no, it's very simple. Now, you and I, we get to heaven by worshiping Jesus Christ as God and they get to have them by killing them. So it's very simple, right? It's just different strokes for different folks. How can you argue with that? Okay. Speaking of the different strokes for different folks, a journey of hope or a journey of new hope or whatever they call it came out this past week or whatever. I already gave my thoughts on it. I basically, when I read it, like they had the word dialogue 164 times. And when I read it, I was just like, this is mostly a nothing burger, but man, this looks like it was written by a bunch of faggots with Jewish boyfriends. So what are your thoughts on that? You know, I haven't had a chance to read it. So what is this? The celebration of something like 60 years of Noes for a time. Yeah, that's where they've already done something called Donas, which where they basically

10:28had to admit that Catholic Jewish dialogue was a failure. So I don't know how this fits in with that, but you're talking about the American bishops and Cardinal Bishop Bambara. Bishop Bambara collaborated with the American Jewish committee. Came up with a group, a series of words that Catholics are not allowed to say. And if you say those words, you're committing a sin, the sin of anti-Semitism. So one of them, one of the words is octopus. I'm not, I'm not making this up octopus. So don't say the word octopus because some Jew is going to get upset. So I remember the word, now we did, we published the three part series of Gifilth, Taka Tolika on the Jewish question. Yeah. It appeared in 1890. This is linked intimately with where I'm the var. So where I'm the var came out five months later. You're talking about the same group of people.

11:29You can see the discreetority. These Jesuits who were working for Chief of Taka Tolika, they come out with the Jewish thing on the Jewish question and they come out with the thing on the economy, the work request. Well they're related. And the relationship comes up, the surprise in the AI document that's popular, that's issued, is he reads him, rare on the varum. I didn't, because it's talking about economic injustice. Well, if you want to connect he condemns, uh, de-platforming. Well, wait a minute, who's the group that's involved in de-platforming? What's the number one de-platforming group that brags about it all the time? The ADL. The ADL, of course it is. Yeah. Well, what we're heading in that direction, so and then he says you have to be specific. Well, let's be specific then. When is the church going to protect Catholics from the ADL? And artificial intelligence. So I did this, uh, I did rock.

12:33It's E. Michael Jones, a Catholic and good standing. Rock comes back and says no. No. Well, who says, well, they quote the ADL and the SPLC? I mean, that's really funny. The SPLC has now been indicted for money laundering and other projects. Okay. Oh, so that's the authority, huh? There's only one person in the world who can answer that question. That's the pastor of my parish who will testify to his, do I go to church on Sunday? Do I contribute? Blah blah blah. All the things you're supposed to do. Yeah. Well, he's not, he's not one AI. He says, so obviously we have a serious, serious problem here of authority. Are we going, is the church going to hand over this authority? So anyway, that's, that's, uh, that's one of them. The end of the Chief of Tachytolycha series talks about the voracious octopus of Judaism. Now, you don't hear that anymore. I'm, maybe I haven't been listening, but you don't find that in these celebrations of

13:38Catholic Jewish dialogue. Do you? No. No. No. No. So I think that's where that octopus thing came from. The voracious octopus of Judaism. Yeah, well, I've seen the, the meme like at the old 1940s, 30s, 40s meme of the octopus cover. There is, there is one. There is one. I've seen that. But, but this is the church reacting to basically the end of the 19th century, especially in France. So the Chief of Tachytolycha series is basically a hundred years after the French Revolution. What do you have to show for it? And there's a stunning sentence. I remember reading it for the first time and the Jesuit said, said, any country that rebels against laws enacted by a Christian king will end up being ruled by Jews. Well, that was stunning. Yeah. Because that's America. Yeah. That's America. The first step is you overturn the, the rovers, we know rovers is way, you decriminalize abortion, you go down that road.

14:39It's like a ritual with all these Catholic countries. And this game average and then finally you wake up, hey, we're ruled by Jews. And now what? Now how do we get out of this? How are we getting out of this problem? We have the entire world now is groaning under this Jewish tyranny. The Netanyahu just showed up at the United Nations. Everybody walked out. Everybody walked out. So the, yeah, I mean good for them. So the question is how do we break the yolk of Jewish tyranny? That is the fundamental question for the entire world, certainly for America right now. So let me ask you this. So regarding America and our problem with our bishops and stuff, do you think the, the gay disco of Americanism has essentially infected our American bishops? And basically like I said, turned them into a bunch of vaguettes with Jewish, Jewish boyfriends that essentially make put them in a position where they're so compromised

15:44because they're a lot of them are gay or actually gay. And I'm not even, let's, let's go all spade a spade. Let's, let's say the quiet part out loud that there's, there's so much homo-sexuality prevailing in the bishops and it even goes to the Vatican and stuff that they're, that's how they're controlled really by, by what's going on here. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. So I did, I did an article on the Bumbearer thing and you know, there turns out there's a court case and one of the, one of the priests who's, it's in trial, testifying under oath, basically turns, Bumbearers, turns on Bumbearers and say, so what do you think about homosexual ity now? This is not the way he used to talk. So that leads me to believe that the, the, the demand is compromised. You know, because there are, there are only two options here. One's bribery and the other one's blackmail.

16:44And what, what can I say if you let the Jew in, they take over and so they lead you, but what do you think Epstein was? What do you think the whole Epstein thing was? Basically, the Jew has this nice house. He invites you there, sends his teenager into your room and then the cameras start worrying away. You know, it's blackmail, it's classic blackmail. Playboy mansion was exactly the same thing. You know, so you've got people who are compromised and, you know, we're all looking for some type of explanation, but so far, I don't see anyone breaking ranks here. Yeah, no, I, I agree, I want 100% agree. I mean, it, it seems like there's like the faggot with the Jewish boyfriends and then the, the wimps that just kind of go along with them. It's just, it's, it's kind of a sad state of affairs. I mean, I do believe in the, in the church, church will triumph and I'm not, and neither me or Dr. Jones is saying you shouldn't be Catholic. You should definitely be Catholic, but it's just a problem where it's just like, you got

17:48these in the hierarchy. It's just, well, you got the faggot and you got the, the, the, the wimps that just kind of go along with it. Like, well, that's why that's why people like me and Dr. Jones have to speak up and do what we, we came to shout from the roof cops, you know, don't, don't leave the church because there's no sin that anyone in the church can commit that will allow you permission to leave. And that was precisely the problem with the SS PX where they constantly, well, it's a state of emergency. Look at that bishop blah, blah, blah. Look at this. I did this with Michael Davis. I debated this guy, you know, 30 years ago. Yeah. So it's like an open and shut case. Yes, they were excommunicated. This is when LaFev ex was excommunicated. And then he realized he doesn't have a, basically, a leg to stand on. And then once he bring up, he comes, pretty sure, Rembrandt, we can have no walking. Well, yeah, he was a homosexual. Yeah, he was. Does that justify you leaving the church? No. No. There's no justification for leaving the church.

18:49But you can see how one scandal, the scandal over here is causing a reaction over here. And a lot of people feel justified in separating themselves falsely from the church and the SSPX, the classic example of that. It was like what Augustine said, it's a sin against charity. Sism is a sin against charity. And so Bishop of Felle would say the church has cancer. If we associate with the church, we'll get cancer. And so therefore we have to separate. It's bad medicine to begin with, but it's even worse theology because you are not contaminated by another man's sin. You know, obviously the church is a communion of sinners. The church was created for sinners. And so if you're going to single that one out, okay, why are you singling that one out? Everybody is a sinner. We're all trying to be better. But the church is not sinful. No matter how many sinners are in it because it's a supernatural institution. And so I went to Bishop Williamson and I tried to persuade him to come back to the church

19:52and had the whole leadership of the English SSPX there. And I talked about the power of Christ asleep in the boat. Which is the power of the boat is the church. Their storms come up because the devil has power. And when the storm comes up, it always seems that Christ is asleep. And so they finally go to said, don't you care that we're all going to die? And then he calms the storm and he says, where is your faith? That's the situation we're in. Exactly. We are going through a crisis. Eventually the waves will subside. But if the waves subside and you jumped out of the ship, you're dead. You're drowned. Instant death once you leave the ship. Exactly. Yeah. My friend John Carter always says like, we got to stay on the bark of Peter. It's like the bark of Peter might be overrun with a bunch of faggots with miters on their head right now, but it's still the bark of Peter. And one of these days these faggots of miters are they're going to dive off. They're going to do whatever. And we got to make sure we're still there when that happens.

20:54So I 100% yeah, I don't want to exaggerate that. Okay. I don't want to exaggerate and give the impression that every bishop is a homosexual. That's not the case. Not all of them. That's not the case. We have a situation where there is serious crisis, theological crisis concerning the Jewish question. So this happened when Bob Sanjenas was wrote an article, the bishop, the catechism came out. The United States catechism came out and it's said in there the mosaic covenant is eternally valid. Well, that's not true. The temple was destroyed. You can't have the mosaic covenant without a priesthood of sacrifice in a temple that's gone. And so obviously that, well, Bishop Rhodes called him in, claimed, said he could not say that. And he had no right to say that. Okay. And then instead of showing up at the meeting with Bob Sanjenas, the guy named father Massa

21:59showed up, who's now Bishop Massa. And he said, no one believes in supersessionism anymore. Now that's serious. That's serious because supersessionism is anchored in the gospel. It's the parable of the wicked husbandmen who were put in charge of a vineyard, not their vineyard. The owner of the vineyard put them in charge to take care of it, but they don't own it. But they think they own it. And then he comes, he wants it back and he sends messengers and they kill them. So they're the prophets. And then he sends his own son. And by this point, it's pretty obvious what's going on here. They killed the son just as the Jews killed Christ. And then he says, well, we're taken away from you. And so that was taken away from him. And now we have the new Israel, which is the Catholic church and Jews can be saved, but on God's terms and not on their own terms. They're not going to be saved by your DNA.

23:00You're going to be saved, which while Peto put it when he went to the, in the beginning of the Acts of the Apostles, when he comes to back, did you lose some strength and by the Holy Spirit because of Pentecost? And he says, you killed Christ. And they, the Jews are cut to the heart and they say, what must we do to be saved? And he says, you have to be baptized. You have to be baptized. Baptism is necessary for salvation. It is not sufficient, but it's necessary. And if you refuse to be baptized, you cannot be saved. And so we came to that unfortunate incident where Bishop Barron is being interviewed by Ben Shapiro and Ben is in the middle of a way says, well, some ice-growing, am I going to hell? And the Bishop should have said, well, here I have lecturing the bishops, but I'm going to do it anyway. He should have said, are you baptized? And of course, Ben Shapiro would have said no.

24:01And then you should have said, well, if you refuse to be baptized, you cannot be saved. I'll stand by that. You know, that is the God's honest truth. If you refuse to be baptized, you cannot be saved. Well, the main group refusing to be baptized is the Jews at this point. So we're doing them no favors by coming up with some type of crazy explanation that they're going to sneak in the back door because they have Jewish privilege. Nope. Amen. Amen. Yeah. It's my viewers are well acquainted with this idea. Contente Domino. It says, everything you just said dogmatically. You know, the law after Christ came, after the promulgation of the gospel, after the 780, dead or deadly for anybody that practices it. And to be saved, even if you were a Jew, you must be baptized in the Catholic church. 100%. Let me pivot now to Amy Jill Levine. So I know you have a lot of thoughts on this.

25:01I mean, she is, she's an interesting character. She actually agrees with what we say about what the Bible teaches, the New Testament teaches. She agrees with that it's anti-Judeic. But at the same time, now that she's the Catholic Biblical Association President, her stance is essentially, oh, yeah, what these anti-Jewish people are saying are right. That's why we got to stamp it out of the faith so nobody knows about it. So what are your thoughts on her and what's happening with this? As Father Hesper said, if you let the Jews in, they take over. I can't think of a better example than the Catholic Biblical Association. I mean, this is, wait a minute. There's the Jew and they're congratulating themselves at how tolerant and open-minded we are that we bring in a Jew who denies everything that we believe about the Catholic faith. So just go through artificial intelligence. Plug in the Vatican Day Verbum, the Vatican Council document on the Gospels.

26:06Are they historical? Yes. Well, Amy, no, no, I don't believe her. Why do you have someone who denies the Gospel as the head of your organization? Well, because they're trained to do this. This is the essence of Jewish identity that's got to go. You know, you let the Jews in, they take over, they want to take over because they feel better. So I'll give you an example. I was doing a book, traveled across the country in the RV and did an article about it. And part of it's about motorcycles. We went to Sturgis, the motorcycle rally. And there's this book by this lady who wrote a book about buying a motorcycle. Okay. Oh, it turns out she's a Jewish lady. Okay. Okay. Jew's ladies can ride motorcycles right now. Wait, no, no, no, no. She becomes president of the club, the local, the local Harley club. And then she tells everyone she doesn't feel comfortable riding at over 35 miles an hour.

27:09Okay, honey, you don't feel comfortable. Go ahead, ride it to whatever. No, no, no, no. No one in the club is allowed to ride faster than 35 miles an hour because the Jewish lady is now in control of the club. Now, that's a true story. Oh, my God. Okay. That's a true story. But it's indicative of the fundamental problem we have here, which is, wait a minute. What do you have to leave something at the door? You don't, this is called conversion. You don't just bring your baggage, your sins in with you. And so we have a lady like Don Goldstein coming in and denouncing people, I have to say on one of them, denouncing fellow Catholics as anti-Semites. No. Well, wait a minute. First of all, you're not a Jew anymore. That's kind of stupid. But secondly, the quintessential aspect of Jewish privilege is the right to denounce other

28:16people and pronounce a death sentence on them. That's the death sentence. Yeah. That will get you fired. That will get you deep-banked. That will blah, blah, blah, blah. And they know that. Vicious, vicious type of slander shutting down every discussion. They know it. That's why they do it. That's why they have the ADL. And here is a lady who claims to be Catholic, claiming that fellow Catholics are anti-Semites. That's not Christian behavior. That is not charity. You cannot be saved without charity. But what it means is that you basically have established a separate group within the Catholic church, which means you violated the unity of the Catholic church, which is something that is very important to Jesus Christ. He mentions it a lot. He never mentions the Latin Mass. I know that comes as a surprise to you. But he does mention charity a lot, you know, and disunity, and he doesn't like it.

29:17So what you have now is simply by virtue of your ethnic background or your DNA or whatever you might call it, a group of people who are special and have Jewish privilege. No, it's not going to work. Can't do it. And as soon as you say it like that, oh, I don't blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, no, you guys, you just don't admit that you have it, you know, like coming in and running to the front of the parade every time and you're the leader now and you're going to decide what is good Catholic behavior or not or whether people like me or Catholics and good standing according to alien Jewish criteria that have no place in the church. No. Yeah, I call these people neo-Judyizers. That's the term I coined for them because that's what they are. They're judyizers in our age. So speaking of neo-Judyizers, I wanted to talk about my good friend and I'm being sarcastic here, Simone Riscala and her coalition of quote unquote, Catholics against anti-Semitism.

30:20So I know you and I both have strong opinions on this group, but the day's your show. So what are your thoughts on good old Simone and her group of Catholic quote unquote Catholics against anti-Semitism? Yeah, I go back farther back when there used to be a philous project. The philous project? Yeah. Anyway, they're having this program down there in Washington and I showed up because they invited Trent Horn who was okay. I remember. So anyway, I'm there and I get in there and George Wigel gave a speech, a couple of people give a speech. And then so now it's time for Q&A. So I raised my hand. I got a question. No, no, no, you have to put your question on a cell phone. Well, I don't have a cell phone. I tried to get a smartphone, but I was too stupid. I'm way too old to have a cell phone. So by Trent Horn's right there, I just like to ask some questions. So Trent, no, no, no, no. What were we doing? What's going on here? It's a totally phony operation.

31:23So then later I find out, oh, I just, Paul Singer gave Paul Singer the most rabid, Vulture capitalist in the United States. And that's saying something full of Vulture capitalist. He gave them $5 million. Yep. Now he who pays the Piper calls the tune. So what you're doing is basically using the term Catholic under false pretenses. This is not Catholic. This is Jew money. This is determining the whole operation. So I think she realized that that wasn't good. So she disbanded the Filos project, but now she got a new project, a new front group. It's the same operation. So what is a committee of Catholics against anti-Semitism or something like that? I think that's a tell. I think they set up at Stubanville. It's the same. It's another vehicle. I mean, a different name, but it's a vehicle for Jew money to basically subvert the teaching

32:23of the Catholic Church. And it's especially pernicious because they set it up at Stubanville University where you have young people who are trying to come to some type of truth about this. And it's a difficult, it's difficult to row against a current that is this strong. When this group controls the entire culture, when they control the Congress, when they control the military, I mean, that's a lot of power. You have a lot of money and you're trying to say, well, no, that's not true what they're saying. How much money they have? Well, then who are you? Who are you? How much money do you have in the bank? It's like, could you, do you have as much money as Miriam Adelson? Nope. No. Well, the real system here as Donald Trump has made clear many times is $1 or $1 vote. And I can't compete with Miriam Adelson.

33:24So you're talking about huge type of cultural influence and the church has been created to stand against this interest for what is true. No matter how much money the other side has and we're being completely subverted and Simone Raskala is one of the main subversers of that type of identity in shame on her. For shame on Stubanville, for letting this agent, this Jewish agent in there to corrupt young people. Right. Yeah. And it even gets deeper than that. So like I talked to Simone privately, I tried to convince her that like she's helping bring forth the AP Christ since, you know, the AP Christ is going to be a Jew, the Jewish Mashiach, right? And I sent her some stuff on that and she responds and she blatantly told me that she's working with a Tick-Faw font, right? And the Tick-Faw font for anybody that doesn't know is a Jewish think-tank group that pushes Jewish interests. She's working for them. She blatantly told me.

34:24She organized, she organized this pilgrimage to Israel. Right. To take Catholics over sheep now. So whatever show you all, a group just got back from this. What do you think they're doing in Israel? Their brainwashing these poor idiots who are too stupid to understand that this is antithetical to the Catholic faith. Zionism I'm talking about specifically. Yeah. And then Mary Everstadt is the one that like she's the main leader of the group and she's married to a Jewish husband. Like the Everstadt family is a Jewish family that goes back for generations and subverting Christ in them. So like, yeah, there's all kinds of bad connections and they're all connected with EDWTN, the Catholic Answers. I mean, that's why they get Trent Horn and Joe Heschmeyer and all that. So that's why like I always tell people you gotta follow the money and follow who these people are connected to because if they, you are the company you keep, if you're surrounded by these bad eggs, then chances are you're probably a bad egg too. Yeah. Yeah.

35:24So it's very difficult to proclaim the church's teaching on this issue now because of all of these people. Now, when is the church gonna stand up and say no? No. I mean, look at what happened with the Southern Poverty Law Center. Yeah. Okay. I was scheduled to do a, give a lecture at Catholic you in Washington. I'm part of an entire lecture series on urban planning. I've written articles on this. I've written articles on architecture and so on and so forth, the new urbanism and so on and so forth. I get to call like the night before the lecture, your lecture has been canceled. The entire lecture series has been canceled. Oh, well, wait a minute. What happened here? Well, the Southern Poverty Law Center called up Dean Nakas at Catholic you and he folded like a cheap suit. Did you talk to me?

36:25No, not only did he cancel my talk, he canceled the entire series. So there are people there don't even know me. I mean, this is so like taboo thinking. You know what I mean? It's like, if you eat with sinners, you will become taboo, you know? So you had the same, if you were on the same program as E Michael Jones and didn't even know who he was, you could be running the danger of being called an anti-Semite by guilt by association. This is awful. And now, wait a minute. What happened? As to Dean, if he knows that the Southern Poverty Law Center has been indicted, they're going to Heidi Byrick, the lady who was tried to assassinate my character, wasn't she to call up? It was, what was his name? Mark Potalk, he called up, another thug. Okay. Wait a minute. Where is the statement from Catholic you apologizing for going along with a bunch of money

37:30laundering? I mean, obviously we're all innocent until proven guilty, but it doesn't look good. I mean, it doesn't look good. I think that they have been, this has been a phony operation. And here, a Catholic educational institution, a dean at a Catholic college, folds like a cheap suit because the Stug Mark Potalk calls him on the phone. Again, signing against with this Jew, who's a member of a corrupt operation, we'll find out against the fellow Catholic. It doesn't even give the fellow Catholic the time of day to call up and say, look Mike, is this true? No, no, no, no, you're dead. You're dead. Yeah. Kind of reminds me like the similar incident, like I was talking to the students of the Benedictine College expulsion. And that's essentially what happened over there is like they had the coalition of Catholics against anti-Semitism. They came in, they did their whole thing this year.

38:32I don't think you went this year with it was with what's as Joe Heshmeyer instead of Trent Horn. And it had Gideon, Gideon Lazar was one of the speakers there. And then like, I mean, I made a video just going through all the theological errors they made, like these professors of theology. And then like some of the students basically took it to some of the things I said in my video and basically put them in flyers and posted them all over campus, they and how Dr. Rommage made all these theological errors regarding the Catholic teaching on the Jews. And then instead of just being like, okay, we're a campus free speech. They're saying something Catholic. It was like, no, you guys are, you kids are all spelled now. So I mean, that's kind of just the state of where we're at. We're Catholics and positions of authority. Instead of defending the faith, they defend organized jury over the next day. Absolutely. You're absolutely right. We're doing a crisis that we're dealing with right now. The absolute crisis because now the Jew gets to determine who was a Catholic and good

39:37standing. I don't think there's ever been a time in the history of the Catholic church where that has been the case. I mean, well, go all the way back to the conflict between St. Peter and St. Paul over whether a converse has to accept Jewish dietary laws or something like that. It was hammered out very early on. But the idea that the Jew has any type of authority in the church is totally uncomfortable. Yep. And that's clearly the case with Catholic Agadine. And they're not doing well. I mean, Benedictine made a big mistake when they did that. They alienated people that they should have had on their side. They should have defended their own students. And they didn't do it. Yep. It was a fundamental breach of the trust that parents should have in you if you're the head of a Catholic institution that you will defend their students, defend their children who sent them to you for training.

40:38They didn't do it. Didn't do it. Yep. I 100% agree. So let me shift over to another thing. I put a video out on this today. So I wanted to get your thoughts on it. It's coming up in November. It's Rabbi Usi Cherokee is putting together the first international New Ohio Congress and the what I call the fake state of Israel. I mean, it's not real. Israel, two Israel's the church. But what are your thoughts on the, I don't know much about your position on the New Ohio laws and the, and so I just wanted to know what your thoughts are on what he's doing over there and the impact it's going to have on the rest of us. Who gave the Jew the right to prescribe laws for me? No, man. You know, when this, when this came out is when Carrie Preaching Boulder was on the religious freedom, religious Liberty Commission. And she, she hit the nail on the head. The rabbi's going on and on.

41:39And sorry, you can tell where they're going. We have to support the state of Israel. As a state, as an American, we have to support the state of Israel. Israel does Israel have a right to exist. We have to blah, blah, blah, and going down the line here and it's bullying. They're bullying everybody on the committee and finally she says up, stands up and says, no, that's your religion. That's not my religion. Don't impose your religion on me. Well, that's what the Noah hydro laws, I don't care where you got them. You have no authority whatsoever to impose your religion on me. That is a fundamental tenet of the American, what should I say, American unwritten constitution. We have religious freedom. This is one of the things that the United States did before anyone else ever did. But at that point, you know, the Jews were not a significant factor. But again, let's get back to the basis. If you let the Jew in, he takes over.

42:39So it's never enough just to say yes to where we're all Americans. I know there's difference of opinion and I don't defend what is, no, no, it's absolutely not. Criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism. If you criticize Israel, you're dead. Now, this goes back to John Mirzheimer, Stephen Wall. They come up with this conceit, what should I call a conceit, where criticism of Israel does not mean anti-Semitism. Well, good luck. I know you believe that. They brought the book out and they thought, well, we solved that problem within 15 minutes of all inertia with seclusionism being anti-Semites. Like that. Like that. So now John Mirzheimer is doing it again. So there's a new book out called Israel's lobby, obviously based on what they did 20 years earlier. And Mirzheimer introduced it by saying it's not about the Jews. It's about Israel.

43:41So it's like saying it's not about fruit, it's about apples. It's a category mistake. It's a category. You think a professor at Harvard would understand what a category mistake is, but it's, so the statement that gets issued, there's a quote by Ron Lawler in there who's a flaming. It wants to put everybody in jail. If I don't like the way you look, you're going to jail. Put Ron Lawler in charge of everything. And so he says to the left wing Jews, he says, you got to realize you're getting nowhere with that left wing shit. You have to accept Zionism if you want to stay alive. You got to, well, he clarified the issue because basically they're the Jews. And then there are two ideologies. One is Jewish nationalism, which is Zionism. And there's Jewish internationalism, which is Bolshevism.

44:41So you have to have that proper understanding because for the first, let's put it pretty much for the entire 20th century, Zionism was completely insignificant. It was both beginning with the 17, 1917 revolution in Russia. All the way up to 67, the Jews were, were communist. They were left wing. And that was their thing. And so now 67, the Arab, Israeli war, the black Jewish alliance falls apart. And now they shift all their allegiance to Israel, but that's only half the problem. You have to have the whole problem in mind. And I'm saying the whole spectrum is from abortion, Zionism. We have a Jewish problem. And if you can't identify it as a Jewish problem, you will not be able to solve it. And you can try with all of these strategies like, oh, it's not Jews, it's Israelis. And you'll fail. And I say, what is, what lesson are we supposed to draw from a book like the Israel lobby?

45:47It's gotten worse. Yeah. It's much worse now than when they brought it. I mean, there are two courageous guys, professors are generally not known for their courage, but Walt Mirzheimer were courageous guys. They didn't get fired because they have tender reputable institutions, but their career is stalled. By career, you mean going down to the Washington and being a advisor on this to that committee. That was over. They were wrecked because of that. So that's we have to address the problem. And until we can say, because if you can't name the, name the enemy, if you can't identify the enemy, you're going to lose every battle. That's what's unsuspect. And that's why we keep losing. So you got again, you got, it's part of being an American. Like Tucker Carlson says the same thing. You know, he had Jeffrey Sachs on and they both say, yeah, it's not the Jews. It's the Israelis. I know Jews. I know a Jew who's not a Zionist.

46:48Well, congratulations. I know a Jew who's a communist. Okay. You're missing the whole spectrum here. You have to identify, distinguish between the people who are the agents and the ideology that they're serving. And you can't do it with a category mistake. All right. No, no, absolutely. I mean, the people that follow my channel know this a lot. We talk about dialectics and it's like, you know, if you're on one side, your choice is this Jewish progressivism. And on the other side, your choice is like Zionism, Jewish, neo conservatism and Jewish, libertarianism, then you don't really have, these are false choices. This is a false dilemma. That's right. You're just buying into a dialect. That's right. It's crippling. Just to give you an example, Ireland is a very anti-Israeli. A lot of anti-Israeli sentiment there.

47:48But it's left wing. So I met two Irish members that I think they're the European Union, representatives of the European Union. And we all agree that it's bad when you have Israelis killing women and children with an F-16. But then you bring up abortion. Well, it's okay with a, well, no, that's, no, it isn't. It's not different. The problem is your political categories because left and right have been created to allow this thing to flourish because you're taking sides in the false dichotomy. It's wrong to kill children whether you do it with an F-16 or a suction current. And until you come up with a coherent political theory to address this issue, they're going to keep winning. Amen. Amen. Okay. So let's get this put all this together. So last time we talked about most of the talk they obviously.

48:53And it says, and we came to the conclusion, it never says that Jews don't need Christ. But when we look at stuff like a journey of new, a journey of hope, the Catholic anti-Semitism initiatives, the new, a hide movement, are we watching a practical interpretation of Catholic Jewish dialogue move progressively farther away from what the actual words of Nostra taught you? Absolutely. You're absolutely right. Absolutely right. It was there from the beginning. So Nostra taught that he is handed down promulgated 1965. March of 1966. And no one knew what the document was. It hadn't been published. Okay, certainly not in English translation. Notre Dame invites Rabbi Mark Tannenbaum, the go-to guy for Catholic Jewish dialogue at this point. To speak at Notre Dame, he walks up to the podium and says, Nostra taught that he said that the Jews didn't kill Christ. Now, that was set in stone.

49:54He would say that you read the reports. No, that's not what it said at all. Not what it says. It says not every Jew at the time of Christ participated in his crucifixion. Okay, did anyone ever say the bless of mother or shout and crucify him? I'm sure this is going through the mind of the council fathers. Well, of course, it was. There were Jewish Christians at that point. So obviously they didn't believe that. But now it's been turned on its head. And my favorite thing is that, you know, well, it wasn't Jews that killed Christ. It was sinners. Oh, okay. Wait a minute. What are you saying that there, no Jew was a sinner? Let's do the Venn diagram here. Okay, that's sinners. Where do we draw it? No, this is preposterous. This is totally preposterous. It's taken from the council of Trent and completely turned on his head. It's a matter of the point where it is totally meaningless.

50:57But I'm saying this distortion as the case of Rabbi Mark Tanibah, make clear. It was from the beginning. Notre Dame was collaborating in the subversion of the church's teaching on the Jews and the Second Vatican Council. Everybody as much as they were collaborating with the Rockefellers to undermine the church's teaching on contraception. Yep. Indeed, indeed, this whole thing is, yeah. I mean, I think really when it comes down to it, like at the end of this day, the day, it comes down to the prelates in our church. Like I used to term a phagot with Jewish boyfriends. And not only that, but like the weak ones that are not gay, but they're just very effeminate and weakened cowardly are allowing this to happen. And you know, it calls the mind to fact, again, Pope NS III and the 13th century and the Fourth Latter-in-Council had two cannons that are very pertinent here.

51:57One is cannon 69. Jews are not the whole public offices. And cannon 70 Jewish converts may not retain their old right. If the church would actually enforce the cannons, it's had on the books since the 13th century, then maybe a lot of this stuff wouldn't even be happening right now. What was the first cannon again? Cannon 69 is Jews not the whole public offices. Now wait, that's outrageous. That's outrageous. Are you telling me the Jews do not represent the interest of the American people when they get elected to Congress? You should be ashamed of yourself. Look at Randy fine. Randy fine. Right? Oh, wait a minute. He's totally sold out to the Jews. Obviously, there was wisdom in this. The Jew cannot represent the American people. He can't do it. What happened is if you... If you let them in, they take over. What is Congress? Okay. It's not that every congressman is a Jew, but every congress is getting Jew money.

53:00And it's been totally subverted. So you let them in and suddenly they determine our foreign policy. Now we're locked in at the hip. We have to share all our military information with Israel. Obviously, we are talking about some type of fundamental recalibration here because that's a fundamental, I would say, tenet of the enlightenment that all people can be... The Jews can be citizens. And because they're citizens, they can be elected to public office. And they know what could go wrong. Well look around. The fact that we are at war with Iran now is one of the major things that went wrong here. Isn't it? And we can't face out, explain why that happened. We're not dealing with reality. Yep. It's true. It's true. I mean, it's just... Yeah. I mean, you look at what we face today, abortion, contraception, no fault, divorce, pornography, even though YouTube doesn't like the word, hopefully they don't think this down. Either the sexual revolution.

54:03They didn't have influence. What happened? Now, like, we do bear some responsibility as Christians is, you know, they're selling it. They're peddling it. We bought it. We shouldn't have bought it, right? In time, it's like, this is what happened when you give them power and influence. But no one knew it at that time. I mean, that was part of the problem here. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, so I'll get an example of from my youth 1970s, Earth Day. I'm there. It had been married for about six months. We walked to Earth Day and then suddenly this guy walks out and takes over. He's the master of ceremonies. Who is this guy? Nobody knew who this guy was. The people there couldn't, his name was Ira Einhorn. Okay. And the high point of Earth Day was him kissing the other Jew, Alan Ginsburg on the lips. Now I wouldn't, I said, I don't want to vouch for the chastity of 70,000 hippies on the side of the hill in Philadelphia.

55:05But homosexuality was not part of the package. I guarantee you that. And suddenly it was derailed. Well, he took over. If you let the Jew in, he takes over. He took over Earth Day. So great. He says celebrity now. Okay. Celebrity. And he's every Philadelphia magazine is talking about him. What a great guy this guy is. And then suddenly there are people living under him start smelling something. And honey, I think what's that red stuff dripping out of the ceiling? Honey, I think we better call the police. The police go up, break into Ira Einhorn's apartment. And there's his girlfriend, Holly Maddox, who was chopped up and stuffed into a trunk. Now again, we're all innocent until proven guilty. So Arlen Specter, who became the magic bullock eye from the commission for a Kennedy assassination.

56:07And Senator from the state of Pennsylvania immediately jumps to his defense and accuses the people on the other side of anti-Semitism. Okay. And go, because everyone's cowed, they go, well, they reduce his bail. Murder one, reduce bail, $40,000. He puts up 10% and he skips town. And so for 30 years, he's on the land being supported by the Bronfman family. Okay. Comes back and eventually they bring him back. Now, this was a takeover. This was a takeover of the basic movement of my, the younger generation during my lifetime. Which was basically a protest against the war. We don't want to be drafted. We don't want to go to Vietnam. Yeah. Okay. We were looking, so I'm going there. Why did I go there? I realized I can't afford a car.

57:10Maybe I should get a bicycle. What kind of bicycle should I get? I'm telling you, this is, I'm not making this up. I thought if I get involved with Earth Day, maybe they'll tell me a good bicycle like a bike. I'm serious. And what we got was a Jew who kissed Allen Ginsburg on the lips. And by the way, Mr. Ecology here didn't even compost his dead girlfriend. You put her in a truck and the blood dripped into the, and we're not supposed to say that. We're not supposed, I'm not supposed to tell you this story because it's obviously, this is a category of my aunt. No, it's not. You tell me what the other interpretation of the story is. I'm telling you what it is. Yeah. It's what Father Hesberg said. If you let the Jew in, he takes over. That whole movement was commandeered by the Jews and it was turned into the sex drugs and rock and roll. Amen to that. Yeah, no, I know I've done a lot of research on the Laurel Canyon scene and it's pretty much, you got Jews and CIA and feds and all kinds of organized crimes surrounding that.

58:14It's, yeah, it's bad. Okay, Dr. Jones, we're about at time. Do you have anything else to say before you wrap up? Yes, I'm searching for some type of religious, is there a religious devotee? A solution or some type of religious movement because I'm lecturing the Irish, you know, don't throw the moly soft cocktail. Is there some way that we can organize as Catholics and deal with the fundamental issue of our age? It seems to me God's not going to turn us down if we're sincere in doing this. We need to have this movement, movement grow because we as Catholics have to be the leaders of it because the Protestant elite, God bless them, they're going out of existence, you know, the mirrors, hymns and Tucker Carlson, they just don't have the categories. They don't have the, the firepower because what, what do they go to back it up with?

59:15The Episcopalians or something like that? No, they're, they're going out of existence too. So we have a, a duty here and that's why we're trying to in England, we've formed a Muslim Catholic alliance. We're going to go to the bishop who's being pressured into issuing a statement on antisemitism and we're going to say, look, issue a statement on the Jewish question. Issue a statement on Jewish behavior as the cause of antisemitism. Don't just leave it hanging there as if it's like something like your beard that just grows unless you shave it. No, there's a cause here and let's bring causality into this argument and let's act in a, as a concerted spiritual effort to basically help us to break the yolk of Jewish tyranny that is oppressing every American and the entire world. No, I, I 100% agree with you. I, I've always, I've made tons of videos and articles on Catholic action. We need a, that Catholic action was the big thing before Vatican II.

1:00:18I don't know if I'm not saying there's a correlation, but it was, it was hugely popular in the early 20th century and that's exactly what we need now. We need Catholics organizing, getting, getting active and becoming part of the change, right? And I know Ireland, you speak spoke of Ireland, they have the legion of Mary, but that's more evangelizing, but we need something like that for Catholics to promote the truth on the Jewish question because this is the, this is the question of our age. This is the problem of our time, you know, like in St. Athanasius time it was Aryan as a right now it's the Jewish question and the modernists, the, the, the dialogers, the dialogers and the, let's dialogue and let's promote religious and differentism in our church and we need to, we need to organize and fight that. Yeah, I think you're right. It's just as lapanto and the Turks, the Turks were the issue of that age. The Jews, the Jewish question is the issue of our age. Yeah, amen. Alrighty, Dr. Jones, as always, you can find, I'll put all

1:01:21of the links to his, all his social media profiles and his website, Fidelity Press and all that and the description. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, God bless everybody.