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Former pro boxer, Ramon Sosa, owned a fitness gym and ran it with his wife, Lulu Sosa. But when their marriage began to sour, Ramon suspected he might be the potential victim in a murder-for-hire scheme. With the help of his friend and police, he set up a sting operation and staged a death scene to catch those responsible. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 7/20/2019. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays and stream on demand on Paramount+.

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My dad's a sweet guy. I mean he's very calm. He's full of laughter. He's full of energy. He's like a life of a party. My life was once beautiful, wonderful. I have three wonderful kids. He was married to a beautiful lady. My business was booming. Outside the ring boxers, they're very loving. They want love from their fans and they want to give it back. They're the nicest people. It was a very, very low-key kind of guy. That's the foretaste thing from a mind that somebody wanted me dead. I remember walking in one night as a gym was in its final hours before it closed. I remember a conversation was taking place about Hitman. What was it about this conversation that caught your attention? Well, come on. Attention was whose name came up.

Did they mention Ramon? Yes. Now my focus is just on talking to Ramon. I said, Mundo, good joking around. You know what's going on? Ramon's like don't play with me like that. This is some serious stuff. And then he said, I've seen that look on people's eye before they want to kill somebody. It's like a screenplay, something straight out of Hollywood. And it would fit right in with every other horror flick that we've seen in the past. Except this is real. It is real. We're taking you inside the twists and turns of a complex sting operation. And here's what makes it unique. The target of the murder for higher plot becomes an undercover operative to catch the person who wants him dead. So Lieutenant, where are we heading? We are heading to what we refer to as the date sign. This is the actual grave where I was supposed to be dead. Man, we lay down with my hands behind my back, my head turned. It was a photographer.

All I could hear was just the clicking of the camera. That was somebody's choice. They told someone this is what I want. This is how I want you to do it. And this is where I want you to put him. It's horrifying. I saw myself in the grave dead. Literally I was supposed to be dead. I'm the only person alive that has ever walked out of his own grave. To this day, Ramon Sosa finds it surreal that he was the target in a murder for higher plot. I would have never believed it. I would have thought it was just something that is you can only see in movies or on TV. I would have never thought that it would be happening to me. He appeared to have the perfect life. From rubbing shoulders with celebrities like Hugh Hefner,

to owning a successful boxing gym in Houston. And he had found the love of his life. Lulu. The life was very sweet. Beth Blair is a friend of the Sosa's. I saw two fun outgoing loved to party, love to get together with people and have barbecues and the more people the merrier. Ramon's zest for life started early. He was born with a fighting spirit. Originally from Carolina, Puerto Rico, Ramon grew up boxing with his father. I fell in love with the sport of boxing. I saw how the training and there was a few world champions that trained there. I just loved it from the time I was little. After training for more than 10 years, Ramon took a shot at the pro boxing circuit. Today's the call we at the Puerto Rican Express. When I turned 17 I turned pro.

So did you ever knock anybody out in the ring? Oh yeah, there was a lot of knockouts. Eventually the Puerto Rican Express ran out of steam. Ramon hung up his boxing gloves and decided to pursue the American dream. I went back to school, got my education and I still kept training. I was going to be involved with boxing in some kind of way. Ramon got married young and had three children with his first wife. He eventually settled down in Houston, Texas, where he opened a boxing gym of his own where he could continue to teach his passion. I think Ramon is a nice humble guy, friendly, family-oriented. Raúl Marquez is an Olympic boxer and showtime commentator. He is also Ramon's long time sparring buddy. Anybody that goes in the ring is gotta be tough. It's gotta be mentally tough. I think he's physically and mentally tough but like always say he wasn't tough enough to beat

me, you know, beat my butt, you know. So who is the better fighter? You are Ramon. Well, reggae speak for themselves. Just look at up, look at up. Ramon's first marriage ended in 2000. By 2007 Ramon then 40 was ready to get back in the ring. But this time he was looking for a different kind of knockout. And a friend of mine said, man, there's a place that they would play like music. They heard this a lot of beautiful ladies out there, like the United Ladies. Ramon decided to go and see this place for himself. And as soon as he arrived, someone special caught his eye. Place was packed and I noticed her. Are you thinking, man, I'm fighting out on my weight class? Yeah, yeah. She was very, very attractive, you know. She looked very nice and she danced very, very well. So I just kept my head on her. The woman he noticed was Lulu Durantes. Next thing I know, she walks by me and she steps on my toe.

Now, do you think she might have stepped on your foot on purpose? Oh, she sure did. She even admitted later on. Ramon and Lulu had an instant connection. It knows it. I mean, as soon as we started dancing, we didn't get off the dance for the whole night. Ramon still remembers the very first song they danced to, a popular Latin tune that the salsa band played that night. It would become their song. Brugheria is a song by En Gran Como de Puerto Rico. And it means what? Witchcraft. Witchcraft. And forgive the pun, but you were under her spell, right? Basically, yes, I was under her spell. Spellbound after dancing the night away, Ramon went home with Lulu and the rest was history. She dooded on him. She was great. Beth had a ringside seat to their relationship. She'd bring him coffee and get up every morning with them and

make his breakfast. And I was just thought it was really neat, their relationship. You know, they got along really well. They look very, very happy couple. They would compliment each other. They were into each other. After less than a year of dating, Ramon dropped to one knee. I proposed her as it was around Christmas time. I remember her proposing to her to start crying. She cried and cried and cried, you know. And she was happy, you know. But she couldn't wait to get married. Lulu Durantes became Lulu Sosa on March 15th, 2009. She treated me well. She treated me like a queen. Lulu originally from Mexico came to the United States with her son and daughter. What brought her to Houston? You know, to have a new life, a better life for her children. To, you know, to start the game. Because she was divorced in Mexico and then she'd come here. Natalia Flores is a hair stylist and one of Lulu's closest friends.

She met Lulu back in 2007. She was a nice friend, a good mom, a good worker, a hard worker. Lulu was often generous with her friends. If I would say I love that ring, she'd take it off and give it to me. I'd always be careful to say I don't like that because she'd end up giving it to me. In 2010, Ramon opened a second gym. This time Lulu was by his side. She kept the books and became a personal trainer. We over boxing, kickboxing and fitness training. Come check us out. How big an operation was. The gym was about 5,000 square feet and we average about 200 some members a month. Everything was great. Little did Ramon know he would soon be in the fight of his life.

What was it like growing up so set? Oh my gosh, it was like being a superstar almost. Because everyone knows my dad. Everyone knows who my dad is. For Ramon's daughter Mia, a former model and beauty pageant contestant and her two brothers, growing up around a local boxing celebrity had its perks. It was just fun. Our dad was a jokester so every time we were around, it was tons of laughs and smiles and all things like that. Lots of blended families experience growing pains. But Mia says life after Lulu arrived. Hi, my name is Ramon Sosa. I am Nuda Sosa. Was not as harmonious as those gym ads made it seem. She didn't want anything to do with us. We were like nothing to her.

Mia found Lulu's coldness not just mean, but ominous. It wasn't like she was trying to become a stepmom. She knew that at some point we weren't really going to be in her picture. What's more, the spell Lulu seemed to cast over Ramon started to eat away at his relationship with his own children. She didn't like him spending money on his kids and seeing up. When I hang out as much and I know we're not doing it because he's got someone else that he's paying his attention to. And it's like, why? I'm your daughter. Don't worry going. Ramon says there was so much animosity between Lulu and his children. They weren't there for a major event in his life. My kids didn't go to my wedding. That's one thing that scared me. That day that we found out that he had got married, it was heartbreaking. Heart breaking. Ramon and his new bride focused on growing their gem into a powerhouse.

A world-class training and fitness. How much money were you guys making a month or eight? They were sparing about over 18,000 to 20,000 a month. 18,000, 20,000 dollars a month in profit. No. But after six years of marriage, the so-so spell began to break. Lulu started confiding in her friends. She told me that he doesn't want to work too much and he stayed more at home and she's working hard and hard and hard. Dad and accusations of Ramon's laziness were just the beginning. And she said on occasion or two that he was physical with her or that he had come in drinking him as physical with her. What did she mean by physical? Like grabbing her or pushing her. Because he's a strong guy. He came and forced to do things that she doesn't want in that moment. Like sex. Did she ever tell you that Ramon would force himself upon her and force her to have sex with him

when she did not want to? Yes, she did. She had said that on occasion. Lulu claims that you have raped her. Yeah, she's tried everything to ruin my life. From rape being abusive to being a drunk and all these claims, now one of them, not one, have been charged for. And I tell you, sir, that this hands have never hit a woman in their lives. These have always been for fighting the ring. Not even the streets. Not even the streets. For her to say something like that, that was really hurtful. Around the same time that Lulu was complaining to her girlfriends, Ramon says another problem suspiciously appeared, missing money. After weeks, I had problems at home with the marriage. There was issues with the gym. I'm working people out a lot more and I see new faces all the time.

But when I see the bottom line here, it's not adding up. Are you worried that she's skimming money? I was worried and I was wondering what she was doing with the money. Ramon soon learned where some of that money may have gone. In March 2015, Lulu hired divorce attorney Julio Hoglar. Lulu was in fear for her safety. Hoglar says he was shocked by what Lulu brought with her to his office. She was able to take pictures of scratches that he left on her arms, legs, shoulders. He shared the photos with 48 hours. According to Lulu, this was caused by Ramon at one time when he wanted to force himself to her. And there was an altercation. Ramon grabbed her and scratched her. That is evident that he was using force to push her legs out.

There's scratches on her upper arm and she claims there's a bruise on her leg that you inflicted on her. Those are all fabricated. I can tell you, those are all fabricated. This is... But there was one photo that even Ramon says was not made up. As you can see in this picture, Ramon punched that door. And that can give you an idea of the strang of this man. That I made today punch. She was accusing me of stuff and that's one thing I did. I took my frustrations out. But as far as putting her in her, never ever. Despite allegations of physical abuse, Ramon and Lulu remained in the same house, even after she filed for divorce, they lived on different floors. And was Lulu afraid of Ramon? Afraid that he made seriously hurt her? Yes, she was afraid of that.

And it was at that time in June 2015 that this man, who asked me not show his face, was working out at the gym. He said to call him Mundo. Ramon's also... he's a friend. He's a very good mentor to me. Mundo had grown up on the tough streets of East Houston. And he had a very, very rough background. Gangs and drugs and fighting streets. Then he wanted a new life and he became like a son to me. Mundo says he was friends with Lulu as well. She was there, talking to her 16-year-old daughter, when he overheard them. The conversation was taking place about a customer that was there, that supposedly was claiming to be a big shot, that he had connections of a hitman or just people that couldn't flick on him. Well, come on, attention was towards the end of the conversation, whose name came up.

Did they mention Ramon? Yes. Stunned, Mundo said nothing. He came back here the next day and confronted Lulu, who told him that Ramon was physically abusing her. Then she said something else. She was like, I'm tired. I'm tired of him. It's already too much. Now, I wish he'll disappear. I wish something, you know? And I'm like, disappear. What do you mean disappear? Like, what? Disappeared. And I did the pistol, saying. Mundo was certain that Lulu had murder on her mind, and that his friend Ramon was in danger.

And what was it about the way she was talking to you that made you think this was something more than just idle words? Her eyes... This is her eyes. I've seen that look before. Just people that are serious about what they're saying. Knowing Lulu was dead serious, Mundo had to think fast. He came up with a plan to stop her. Mundo offered to get involved and hire the hitman himself. I gave Lulu the impression that I was going to reach out to a hitman that I have the guys already ready. Mundo convinced Lulu he believed her claims of abuse and would help her. But it was actually all-apploy to protect his friend Ramon, who he called as soon as he left the gym. And he tells me Lulu wants to kill you. As shocking as the news was, Ramon says he instantly knew why. If I died after the divorce was finalized, she was now going to get the money

that I have for my retirement. The value of the gym, the value of the hall. She had everything already figured out. Ramon immediately contacted police, but was told nothing could be done based only on conversations with an angry wife, as threatening as they sounded. So the two old boxing buddies came up with a plan. They would launch their own sting operation. The taper cord on me used the cord. Using his street smarts, Mundo would pretend to hire a hitman. He'd send text to this fictitious killer with details about the hit. Details he'd share with Lulu. She needs to see that I'm going back and forth with somebody. Ramon and Mundo bought two disposable cell phones. Little did Lulu know that the target, her own husband, was holding that second phone. And the phone he's going to use to play his own hitman. Play his own hitman. Yes, sir.

I started stressing because, you know, we are Mundo doing this amateur investigation or under cover investigation. I don't know what I'm doing. But Mundo did. Hello. He started recording his daily conversations with Lulu. No, because they were so pressured that they were so serious that they wanted to kill him. As the days passed, both men worried Lulu might have another hitman waiting in the wings. My thing was, what if her patience runs out, you know, Ramon's ends up dead, or what if her patience runs out, and I end up dead? Ramon told no one about what he and Mundo were up to. And living in fear over what Lulu might be up to, took its toll.

He started carrying a gun. I'd be out of stoplight and, you know, I would put the gun in between my legs. You know, looking left and right the whole time at a light. Ramon could not even escape his fear at night, and you're in bed, where's the gun? Are you still underneath my pillow? Lordy. So Mundo kept the pretend negotiations on track. We use that phone. Acting as the middleman between the fake hitman and Lulu. She's like, well, tell her my mom offering the white truck, tell her my mom offering. You know, there's much money. All this time, Ramon and Lulu were still living under the same roof on June 9, 2015. Before Mundo overheard Lulu's threat, police had been called to the Sosa House. Lulu's defense attorney says there was an argument between Lulu's son and Ramon over a truck,

which Lulu's son recorded on his cell phone. This is my vehicle. I have legal documents on the right, which I need today. Police don't take my vehicle. Ramon went to take the vehicle away from Lulu's son, and when Lulu's son basically told him, now you're not going to take my vehicle. Police step out of my car. Ramon punched him on his face. Ramon, police step out of my car. Ramon was issued a citation for assault, but he says his hand only made contact with the phone. I'm an ex-professional fighter. If I were to hit that kid, believe me, he would not be standing up right now. Ramon, police step out of my car. I didn't put my hand on that kid. On June 30, Ramon and Lulu faced off in court. Lulu wanted a restraining order against him. Her attorney wrote up the orders that I was abusive, that I hit her son, that they fear for their lives, you know, living with me standing in my house.

Ramon was ordered to move out of their home and stay away from the Woodlands gym. But he also got an order restraining Lulu from the first gym he owned, the one he'd opened before meeting her. Ramon says he kept his eye on the bigger prize, exposing Lulu's plot against him. You know, she thought she had me on the ropes about to knock me out. When boxing, that's called an eight count. I took an eight count. I got to get out of my own house. But the boxer was about to make a comeback. 10 days after launching their sting, Ramon posing as Paco, the fake hitman, Tex Mundo. He's gotten a nine millimeter gun costing $200. When Mundo received the down payment for the gun to have me kill from Lulu, that's when I said, you know what, I think we have enough. Let's take this to the police now. I got a call on a Sunday. Lieutenant Mike Atkins works for the precinct three Constables office in Montgomery,

County, Texas. We had an individual claiming that there was a murder for hire against him. How unusual was that? It's extremely unusual. It's the first one of my career. Impressed with the amateur sting, the professionals were now ready to take over. But they needed a street-wise rookie in their corner. Mundo. It was important that we not change the investigation. We not change or move Mundo out of the situation because that might bring alarms. Mundo kept stringing Lulu along, assuring her he was trying to get things done as soon as possible. Finally, he let her know everything is a go for a meeting on July 20th with the hitman who was really an undercover agent. He looked like he could be a bad guy in a movie. I said, hey, there's the man that's supposed to kill you.

Lulu agreed to a night meeting in this parking lot not far from the gym. She brought several watches and some jewelry as a down payment. Lulu then went to an ATM machine and withdrew $500, which she brought back here to seal the deal. When someone in a murder for hire case actually pays some money. Have they crossed a threshold? They have. It shows the level of intent. It shows the fact that they are serious and it's come to a point where you can't turn back. Police had enough to arrest Lulu right there and then, but they had concerns. Namely, Lulu's claims of Ramones abuse. Lulu has never had any prongs with the law. She's a beautiful lady, mother. We don't want to go to a jury trial and have one of the jurors feel so I for her. And so police told Ramone what they needed to do next. We're planning to take a picture of you then.

Four Ramone, the police thing to bring down Lulu, seemed to be taking a cue from witchcraft. The first song they ever danced to. One of the lyrics you want to send me to my cold tomb. Yeah, we don't take a picture of you dead, you know, like in a grave. I mean, we're going to show it to her to show prove that the hitman did the job. He was kind of dumbstruck, but then as it was explained to him, he was well on board. In order to get Ramone camera ready, it is a bullet wound. Police first had to consult some experts. Being a bunch of middle aged men, we're not exactly versed on applying makeup. So naturally, we went to YouTube and learned how to apply makeup from teenage girls. But they also had some deadly examples to follow.

Luckily, we had no shortage of crime scene photos to use as references. The assistant day was there and he brought out some pictures of actual dead people. People would bullet holes to the head. They picked up the one that they thought was going to be the best one. And I looked at them and they showed you that picture. Yeah, I was horrified. Next, they had to find Ramone a grave. We're heading to what we refer to as the dig site. Luckily for us, the county owned a right away that would give us the privacy we needed. What was going through your mind? Well, I really didn't know what it was going to look like. I was at this point already. I mean, I already had the makeup. They already started with the bullet hole. The final touch, fake blood. And they told me once we got to the site, they were going to put more blood on me. This is it.

Mount Final Rest in place. So, where were you lying in this grave? My head was there in that corner right there and I was right over there. Yeah, it looked like I had my hands tied. But I'm about to back. They even threw dirt on my head. It looked like a movie scene, honestly. Was it emotional for you to be here? Yes, very emotional. It was hot. It was scary. It was just a feeling of thoughts of, I can't believe this, what I'm doing. I can not believe what I'm doing. This is what Lulu wanted right here. This is what she wanted. Now it's time to show Lulu that this is done and it's time to get paid. So, a second meeting was arranged between Lulu and the Hitman in this same parking lot. But this time, it was all caught on camera. It's July 22nd, 2015.

I'm done. Everything's fine. Yes. We'll take you home tomorrow. I'm leaving. Where are you going? Going out. Going to the apartment. To the apartment. Going to work. Lulu then pays in. I have... I have mine. Lulu is shown the photo of Ramon dead in a grave. Velio. Velio. Velio. She starts laughing. No shock at all. No shock. What does that tell you about Lulu? She's a pretty cold character. The undercover detective and Lulu discuss the remaining payment, all told $3,000 in cash, watches and jewelry, and Ramon's white pickup. Then Lulu is given more details of her husband's final moments.

I don't know if I'm wrong or if I'm not right or not. I was like this. I'm sorry. Lulu maintains she was the victim here. The girl fell? Yes. She's not a victim. The reality of Ramon's death continues to sink in, and Lulu's mood appears to lift. She was happy. She even made a comment to the hitman. She asked me if he was dead. If I was not going to get up. Like a joke. Yeah, she wanted to make sure that I was dead. She made gestures with her hand like, you know, racing the roof. Little did Lulu know that her roof was about to come crashing down. The next morning, police come to the gym, and it's not for a workout.

We want to come in and say, you know, hey, we're inquiring about your husband that's been missing, and we want to get her reaction. Wearing body cameras. You should take the Martinez with the hospital office. Police make it seem like they're stopping in to do a wellness check on Ramon. Is there someone we can talk about? Apparently, Mr. Sol has been working today. Lulu claims she has no idea where Ramon might be. I've gone to the fridge, but once the last time you saw Mr. Sol, you saw her in the room. When they keep in the last day. That's the last time you saw her. That's the last time I saw him, my mom, my daughter. Lulu seems pretty relaxed. She knows that sooner or later, the police are going to come, either to say he's missing, or they found his body. Remember, the night before she has seen his picture,

she was all happy. She was all giggles and happy that Simi did, and now she was actually dead. She's been a killer. She was all happy that Simi did, and now she was acting concerned in front of the cops. So he hasn't contacted leaders in the last 20 more rooms? No, she can not. Police let Lulu's performance go on a few minutes longer, then lower the boom. Okay, Ms. Sol is in a police. You're under arrest? No, I'm not. I'm under arrest. Why? Back at the constables office, Lulu is already taking issue with how she was arrested. Prior to her interview, Lulu is read her rights, and refuses to speak without a lawyer. Lulu is charged with solicitation of capital murder.

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Yes, sir. This is like a scene from a movie where they kill these guys and just, you know, and just dig up a hole anywhere and put them away. Very scary. For three days, Ramon had to play the part of a dead man. Ain't nobody anywhere I was. Even my family, everybody was looking for me. I was very, very upset. Rage and sadness, all the emotions came through me. Okay, Miss Sosa. You're not going to leave. You're not going to leave. I'm not going to leave. You're not going to leave. Why? Thank you. Following Lulu's arrest on July 23rd, 2015, Ramon faced the unimaginable task of telling his children that their stepmother had tried to kill him. I had just got off of a shift from working at a comedy club and it was late.

You know, I didn't expect my brother to be sitting on my bed. You can just feel something was wrong. Mia's brother handed her the phone. Her father was on the line. And he says, very low. Mia, I'm okay. And I said, what are you talking about? And he says, I'm okay. I'm somewhere safe. But Lulu tried to have someone kill me. Okay. And at this point, I mean, you don't hear anything. I didn't know what to do with myself except cry. I remember sliding on the back of the wall down to the ground and huddled into my knees, crying my eyes out. Now Ramon had a new fight on his hands defending his reputation. That was what's hurting so much.

She has so many people believe all this stuff that I have put my hands on her, that I was an alcoholic, that I hit her son. I sell cycle this person was still with Lulu use these allegations as part of her own defense. Give me a sense how strong now is your case against Lulu Sosa. We think it was a very strong case. We had our video, we had a down payment, we had a confirmation to her that the murder had taken place. So you've got her. We got her. We got her. As Lulu awaited trial, that assault charge against Ramon, Ramon police step out of my car was dismissed. And Lulu agrees to a divorce settlement that handed Ramon the gym and the house. To give it all up. After 15 months in jail, awaiting trial on the murder for higher charges,

Lulu gave up the fight. In October 2016, as Ramon looked on, she pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of second degree solicitation of murder. Avoiding trial and a possible life sentence. She came here with an American dream and she got her American dream quick. And to lose everything that wish she did, it's sad. Lulu was given 20 years in prison. Is 20 years enough? I don't think so, but I'm happy that is over with. I'll take it. I was just shocked to try to hire somebody to kill her husband that that's really all she got was 20 years. Personally, because that's my father, I want you away forever. I don't want you to come out. Not everyone agrees. Was that justice in your opinion? My opinion, no. Lulu's divorce attorney Julio Hoglar. Because. Because nobody got to hear her side.

Many times I saw her crying. I fell her desperation. Ramon says the ordeal has left scars. Are you haunted by this? I don't know if you'll be the same person ever again. I call my kids as much as possible. Might be the last day I say that I love them. Ramon's near death experience has changed him. They love our family. Mia is now back in Texas, having patched up their relationship after Lulu drove them apart. It's been a really good outcome for me and for him. You're going to get knocked out sometimes. You're going to get up. Take the loss and you're going to try harder and get a win. Now Ramon is a sought after speaker telling his incredible story of survival. He shared that journey to an appreciative audience in London. Thank you, thank you, London. I'm alive.

The man who Lulu thought would help kill her husband is now an author. Mundo has written a book about his experience. If Lulu is watching this broadcast, is there anything you would want to say to her? You don't have to be with everybody until you are. Everybody's telling me something else. I'm going to put everybody wrong. So you can do the same. Today Ramon wears a precious reminder of how his time on earth almost ran out. Tell me about the watch that's on your left wrist there. She told Mundo that when it killed me to make sure to take my watch, that's why we're all the time now. I think she ended up picking the wrong man to victimize, don't you? Yeah. It's the last minute of the last round. She had me on the ropes and she had no idea that the whole time I had a plan to.

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