David and Ben Paulides on Missing 411 - The Movie

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2:04And I wanted to get this up as quick as possible. This relates to David Pilitis' new documentary for Missing 411, The Movie. And we're going to be talking about the Kickstarter and how you can contribute in some of the prizes. And as I say during this interview, I feel like this is one of the most important topics we cover on this show. Something is clearly happening. It is utterly traumatic and just kind of dark. And the advantage of this documentary is it should expose this to more people and the more people who know about this, the more likely we are to eventually figure out what's going on. Plus, as people are aware of what's happening, hopefully we can stop more of these cases from occurring. Also, I briefly bring up some articles by Patrick Harper, who had sent me some pieces he had written for 14 times. Because 14 times owns the copyright,

3:06I can't put them on WhereDidTheRodeGo.com. And Patrick has said, if anyone would like to read his article, Panic in the Woods, to drop him an email and get in touch with him. And we will be having Patrick on to discuss a bunch of different stuff in a roundtable on a midweek podcast sometime very soon. But meanwhile, if you'd like to shoot him an email and ask him very nicely for his Panic in the Woods article, you can find him at Harper.org, h-a-r-p-u-r-dot-org-slash-patrick.htm. Or just go to Harper.org and click on Patrick Harper. And that will, and he's a very nice guy, and he is willing to send you that article if he's something you'd like to read. He also has a new book coming out that we will have him on for as well. But that will be in the future. For now, we're going to be concentrating on David Pilitis and his son Benjamin, who is involved in this documentary as well.

4:06And we're going to be talking to both of them here, and they're going to be telling us about it as well. They're going to be telling us some really weird stories that happened just in the bit that they shot. So, if you can't donate to the Kickstarter, at least share it, get it out there, let people know what's going on, make sure they meet their goals, because they're almost there, and they really need to get up there and get this made. So, without any further ado, here is Benjamin and David Pilitis, talking about Missing 411, the movie. So, I am joined here with Benjamin Pilitis and David Pilitis, and welcome back to the show, David. Hey, thanks a lot, Sir, I have pleasure to be here. And you guys are working on Missing 411, the movie. Yes, we are. It's an exciting project. We've been working on it for many months, and starting to come around. Now, last time you were on back in, I think December, you had said something about some big projects coming up.

5:07I assume this was one of them. Absolutely it is. Alright, and Ben, what's your involvement here? So, right now I'm working in a director and a producer capacity for Missing 411, the movie. You know, we had a bunch of people approach my father, Dave, to do some sort of visual medium for his book series. And, you know, some people had good ideas, some didn't. But the main fact that we wanted to do was to keep the stories integrity strong. And the only way to do that in our mind were to do it ourselves. So, you know, after contemplating whether or not I wanted to do it, I kind of met with some of the victims and their families. And I just said, you know, this is ridiculous. We have to do this. And this story needs to get out there. And we got together a small group of very dedicated and talented filmmakers. And we went out and we filmed that trailer.

6:08And we got about one-third of the footage done for the entire documentary. And that's why we threw it up on Kickstarter so that we could get the funding to get a track more talent to the project and so that we could finish this thing. Okay. And what's your background? Do you have a background in film? You know what? My background in film is relatively recent. I just graduated college at Miami University where I played division one ice hockey for four years. And I was fortunate enough to earn scholar athlete of the year for my graduating class. And I'm also set to attend USC's film and television production in school next year. So, I figured this would be a great project for me in the meantime. And, you know, I'm not claiming to do this by myself. Like I said, we have a five-time Emmy award-winning videographer on board who's shooting it for us. And we were able to attract the best talent because stories are so compelling.

7:11Well, looking at the trailers available on your Kickstarter page. And all you have to do is go to Kickstarter and put in missing 4-1-1. It's the first thing that comes up. And the trailer there is, I mean, it looks beautiful. It looks just amazing and it's only what, three minutes long? Right. And you got, uh, we'll talk about some of the people you've already filmed with here. Right. So, we filmed a couple of victims, family members, that, so that, you know, one of the people on their Allen at a Dero, who's the first guy to come up and talk on the trailer, his son went missing in the Comanche Peak Wilderness area in Northern Colorado in 1999. And him and my father, Dave, have grown very close because Allen reached out to Dave a few years ago because he had read what my dad had written about his son. And Allen has been super helpful in just getting us our information and their things in our documentary that haven't been covered in any other things that pertain to some of these missing people.

8:21And another, another family is the Stelling family who went missing or their, um, Denise Stelling, her husband went missing out of Mesa Verde National Park in 2013. And we, uh, we actually went with them to the spot where Dale was last seen Dale being the husband and interviewed them there. And now, I mean, these are the hardest interviews I've ever been a part of. I know, I'm guessing my dad has ever been a part of. And I mean, they're just heart-wrenching to hear. And I think the hardest part is that they don't have any closure whatsoever. Right. Right. Okay. So what about you also have on, um, who's the survivor guy? Right. We have less stroud, who's, you know, you know, there's a few people doing survival shows on cable networks. And we reached out to less stroud because he's one of the more legit guys. He films everything on his own. He's out in the wild. He, he, I think he recently got in a cheap accident.

9:21But he's, he's doing things the right way out there. And he, uh, he kind of started a dialogue with us about this. And he wanted to see if he could make some of the trips that these missing people do in the same time that they supposedly, you know, traveled vast distances. And he, he said he couldn't do it. And he's a trained survivalist. He's been doing this for, you know, 30 plus years. And it just baffles his mind. So he was super intrigued about this. And then there's, there's actually somebody who didn't make an appearance in the trailer. And we're kind of keeping it under wraps. But we were able to get an interview with a cabinet member who was actually appointed by President Obama. And he goes on, he goes on video to explain kind of what, you know, we grilled him and we asked him what's going on. And he said some pretty interesting things. And I'm very excited for people to see this.

10:23And, but then we can only show it if we get funded. So I think that right there is probably worth the price of admission is just seeing what this guy has to say. And you also had George Napp on there making some comments. George Napp, he's, he's been a big advocate of my dad's books. And I mean, it just baffles his mind as well. That's the, that's the common threat, I think throughout all of this is that it's so intriguing. And it looked like you had someone from the National Park Service who didn't want to really say too much on there. Yeah, we, we've interviewed three National Park employees so far. Hopefully we're going to get more. We, we've already had people reaching out to us. We want to talk more about it. And I think that that's the biggest thing is if any of your listeners are former park employees or current park employees or worked in the administration and they know anything getting contact with us. We'd love to hear from you. You know, we need to get more information just as much as anybody else. So because we're trying to, you know, shed light on this thing and show us accurate a picture as possible.

11:28Now, now David in, in the most ideal situation, what do you hope to achieve with the documentary? Well, there's some people out there that don't like to read books. And this is just another medium to get the message out that there is something unusual. Something that's mind blowing, which you get into it that people are disappearing. And there aren't any easy answers to it. And the numbers are sometimes overwhelming. I put something on my Facebook page last night. And I think already there's 120 different responses. And it's the people that have disappeared this past summer that fit the profile we established five years ago. And none of these people have been found. Now, I assume that in this documentary you're more covering what's happened not so much trying to explain it still. Yeah, that's correct. I think you need to understand that there are real people with real families that feel that they've been abandoned.

12:32And at that front end when somebody goes missing, there's a lot of press, there's a big effort. Then all of a sudden you reach the 7 or 10th day. Nobody wants to talk about it anymore. But you get somebody's missing out there. And there is a common thread. There's several common threads amongst this. And rather than leap to what it might be, I think it's more important to figure out what it really is. And as I've stated on your show before, I mean, I've had probably a dozen lengthy, lengthy emails about people thinking that they know what it is. And they're positive they know what it is. But the reality is, as time goes on and we learn more and more and more, you're going to see that this paradigm shifts. And it may be much more complex than what people originally thought four or five years ago. Okay. And do you think that the National Park Service and stuff are going to pay attention if this gets made? But why don't you tell them about the petition?

13:32So there is a lady who lives in the Colorado area. She's a professor. And she started a petition. And I think the petition needs 10,000 signatures. It's about halfway there. To get the National Park Service to keep a list of missing people in their parks. If that petition hits 10,000 signatures, a bill will be proposed and will hopefully hit the floor. You know, the Congressional floor. And then this bill will be put in front of politicians so that hopefully there will be a bill. But I think that it might be a little naive to think that just getting the petition signed is enough. We will probably need more. And there needs to be widespread consensus as to what the problem is and what maybe a possible solution or at least some sort of list or some sort of collective intelligence on this whole topic.

14:34And I think that's where the documentary may come in is that, you know, if Congress just, you know, it's easy to slough off a petition. It's hard to ignore a documentary that maybe hits national distribution. And you're going to be putting this through some film festivals and such. Right. And that's where, you know, the Kickstarter money comes in. The more we raise, the more film festivals we'll be able to submit to. I think a lot of people don't understand how expensive it is to just get your film in front of people who can then make decisions about it. But, you know, I have a lot of faith in all the followers of the books. And I think we're going to get it done. I think that we're going to probably reach beyond our goal so that we can do things that will make sure that this film sees as broad an audience as possible. And you are getting close to your goal, which you need to reach in order for Kickstarter to give you the money for anyone listening Sunday October or August 16th is the final day.

15:38That's when it ends. And that's at the morning of August 16th at that. So if people are going to pledge, they should go immediately. And you have some great rewards here. Even for $5, you get updates and stuff for 20. You end up with a t-shirt. 30, you're looking at, was it the, yeah, right, the HD digital download of this, which you are filming, which you're filming in 4k, right? This is, I mean, it was important to us to show these areas and these people as accurately as possible. And the whole industry is going towards this 4k resolution. You see the 4k televisions. I think Netflix is going 4k. I think they're already there. And so it was important to us to film in this high resolution. We took a little bit of a hit financially on the front end. But it wasn't a big deal to us because we knew that we wanted to give this thing the best chance of succeeding in the best. And our best shot was by filming it in this super high resolution format.

16:42Right. And it goes, you have quite a lot of rewards here listed. People should check them out. And you go all the way up to what, $10,000? That's right. Yeah. Which is obviously a limited one. And yeah, for that one, you get, there's only, I think, one of these in the world. And it's a original print of missing 4k and 1. So the first book to ever come off the press is what you would get. And I think if the books I've already gone are pretty widespread acclaim. But if this documentary hits a home run, I think the savvy investor wants to invest in one of those original prints. It's going to do pretty well for themselves. True, true. And I think the books as popular as they seem to be in the sort of fringe realm, they haven't really hit the mainstream yet. And maybe this documentary will open that up. Right. That's what we're really hoping for.

17:42It is right, like you said, it's right on the fringe of this kind of peripheral research and the mainstream media. And I think that it's going to take one brave journalist to kind of come forward and say, look, this is a serious topic. It needs to be taken seriously. And maybe it's going to take the documentary to go out for people to kind of be like, oh, wow, yeah. You know, this is serious. Or, but I mean, until maybe it can happen before that. And we're hoping that if anybody's listening to this who, you know, getting contact with us and maybe you have a connection with mainstream media or maybe you yourself are a journalist at a newspaper. I mean, we've done a lot of local shows and we've talked a lot of local journalism sources, but we have never gone to like a New York Times, a Wall Street Journal, that kind of level. And we're looking for that. We're hoping that somebody sees this as what it is.

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19:44And I think the facts become overwhelming when you start reading book after book and you see the parallels within the cases. And in fact, one of these guys on our show said, you know, this ought to be on Vice, the TV show. And Ben's tried to make inroads there. I can't get ahold of the right people, but that would be a perfect venue for it to come out at. Hmm. Are the books still selling well? Very, very well. Okay. It seems like you have just set this topic on fire, honestly. And I think it's really one of the most important topics as far as unexplained mysteries go, because it is ongoing. And it affects so many people. It's not, hey, I saw something weird. What is it? I mean, and where is that's interesting and important in its own realm? This is something that is very dark in the fact that so many, especially children keep going missing. And it has such a traumatic effect on so many people. I mean, this work is, it needs to be out there so people understand what's going on.

20:51Or at least have an idea that it's happening. No, totally. And to your point, I think the topic is reaching a critical mass. And it's got to go one area because, you know, everybody in, I guess you would call it fringe science or, you know, has accepted this as, okay, it's true. And it's not like Dave, my dad is making erroneous claims. He's just presenting evidence. And then people come to their conclusions, you know, given my dad's background or what they think, you know, and there's a lot of conjecture out there. And there's a lot of hypothesizing whether that's warranted or not. And the thing that, you know, what he, it's really, it was really a brilliant strategy early on by my dad to not say what he thinks is going on. You know, sure, we all brainstorm in private and we think of certain scenarios, but none of them really hold weight or water. And I think that that's something that people need to understand is that we're not claiming it's anything.

21:53We're just trying to present evidence and then you as the viewer or the reader can decide what you think is going on. Now, with the documentary, we are allowing the people who we interview to speculate what they think is going on. So that's going to be an interesting element of the film is to hear what other people have to say about it. And it seems that the more of these cases that pop up, the harder it is to fit into anyone narrative. I mean, early on, you'll look at, if you look at like a handful of cases, you say, well, it could be this, it could be this. But as this has project as progressed, I mean, you're looking, you say, well, what if it's this? Well, all these pieces fit, but not this one. And you see this a lot with especially a UFO cases where you say, well, maybe it's this, but wait, this piece doesn't fit into that narrative at all. And that seems to be what's happening here was there's just no easy answer where it's like, okay, well, it's this. And you know, these couple of things are questionable and we can leave them off to the side. Nothing really fits this nicely and neatly.

22:53No, you're absolutely right. In a lot of cases, you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, right? And we live in a confusing time and a complex era. And I know a lot of people like to oversimplify things and to try to stamp it as, oh, it's definitely this or it's definitely this. And I think it's our job or my job as a filmmaker, my dad's job as an unbiased author to present it without trying to make a personal spin on the topic. And you know, it's hard because I've heard my dad get interviewed and he gets a lot of pressure. And I think it's unfair a lot of times that people try to pressure him into saying, okay, what do you think it is? I wouldn't be fair for the audience to get that response because there simply isn't enough evidence to fully explain what's going on. And until that happens, until somebody, you know, we get somebody to speak out or some sort of whistleblower, I don't know who will be able to get that.

23:58And that's maybe where some of this stuff in the documentary will shed some light on that because we're pursuing some very interesting avenues. I mean, the best we can do is to kind of just to hold up a lens to reality as best we can. And again, people can find this and donate to it on Kickstarter. If you go to kickstarter.com, just look up missing 411 and it's the only thing that'll come up. And how can people contact you guys? So on our Kickstarter page, if you scroll down, there's a big button that says, contact us and you can send us a message through our website or you can send us a message through Kickstarter itself. Or a third option is to send us a message through the missing 411 Facebook page, missing 411, the movie Facebook page. Also, you can contact my dad. He always puts an email address on his books that you can contact him through. So there's several different avenues, all work and all we answer. So whichever one you feel comfortable with.

25:06Okay, there are a couple of things here that I've come across recently that David, I wanted to kind of get your thoughts on one of them last week. My guest was Joshua, Joshua, a cushion who's written a book called Trojan Feast and one of the things he does is he takes apart food and drink offerings and different paranormal encounters. And while we were talking, he mentioned the fact that berries play such a large part in these missing 411 encounters as well as tales of like little people and stuff living in boulders and boulder fields, which is another common aspect of a lot of these cases. Yeah, I've written about that in fairies and mythology and it all centers around, you know, the rural areas, sometimes it's berries, sometimes it's boulder fields, sometimes it's water. Now there are several common threads there that if you look back into mythology, it's there hundreds of years ago. And in my book, I go back to talking about a case in 1752 that happened. So yeah, it's been around a long, long time.

26:12And it seems like whatever I mean because you get the stories of fairies abducting people in certain locations. I'm not sure if you're familiar with demonic reality by Patrick Harper. I've heard of it. Okay, I had come across the fact that he had written a column for, or not a column, but an article for 40, 40 in times. Yeah, back in the early 90s called panic in the woods. And he was not aware of your information. I wrote him to get a copy of it and it talks about something you talk about in your books that that eerie silence that sometimes comes across when you're out in the woods. Yeah. You know, and how some people literally will just panic when that happens and start running. And so I had him listen to your stuff and he also was filing that connection to folklore, which is saying he's very involved in very, very strong that these disappearances and the folklore and the ancient tales are so connect so tightly with this.

27:16And one of the things he had sent me is this short little paragraph here about a 19 year old girl who had not returned for supper when she had just got off the visit of neighbor and search parties were dispatched. It says they looked everywhere for her until about midnight. The girl turned up at the house and collapsed in tears. She had made a detour. She explained to climb list arred the fairly the famous fairy fort. She climbed the slope of the hill around which the bank and ditch of the fort ran and walk through the beach beachwood on the top. However, when she tried to leave walking toward a gap in the bank, she felt a queer kind of jerk, a muscular jerk inside of her rather than from the outside. And before she realized it, realized what had happened. She had found herself walking quickly in the opposite direction when she turned it, headed once again for the gap, the same thing happened. Whatever way she tried to get out, she felt as if there was an invisible barrier preventing her. As darkness fell, she became increasingly desperate, afraid to stop following the encircling barrier around the hill. She even saw a search party and could hear them calling out for her, but they neither saw her nor heard her cries.

28:21At last, all of a sudden the barrier seems to lift and terrified and exhausted, she made her way home. Very scary. Very scary. And I mean, that kind of mimics again some of what happens in these cases that you're following where people find themselves in places they can't explain. And there was the one, and I think it might be the one you're dealing with on this documentary where they could hear the guy yelling for help, but no one could find them. Well, now, not on this. Okay, not on this one. There was something, I mean, there's been a lot of unusual things that have happened to the film crew and Ben and I while we've been out. But one of the unusual ones happened when we at Mesa Verde Park. Ben, you want to talk to him about that? Well, I mean, there have been, like my dad said, very weird things that have happened to us. I think that, so when we were at Mesa Verde, the son of Dale Stelling, he was with us.

29:26And he brought, he had always wanted to bury his father under the oak tree back home. And he never got a chance to do that. And they really tore him up because they thought, you know, they were going to find Dale and, you know, they could bring him home and bury him under the oak tree. And so he was able to bring his dad to the oak tree. So we brought a piece of the oak tree to his dad and he had cut out a slice of the oak tree and, you know, etched his debts, initials into it and then lacquered it. It was very beautiful. It was a piece of our work. And he took a moment and walked down the trail and he said, you know, can we turn the cameras off? So we turned the cameras off. He went down kind of a little off the trail and he kind of put it there and we all had a moment where we were very quiet. And I think it was, it was Dave, it was my dad who said, well, listen to that. And I go, listen to what? There's nothing.

30:26And it was very odd because the entire time we were there, there were birds, there was a wind, there was the rustling of trees and bushes. But for that small amount of time, it was probably five minutes that Stephen went down the side of the trail to put this piece of oak in a spot kind of where his dad was last seen. It was completely silent. And then the moment he walked back on the trail, wind, birds, all the sounds. And in a sudden, woosh, it kind of all came back. Like something was being held back and then all of a sudden hit us. And it was one of the weirdest things that ever happened to me. You know, I don't, I don't consider myself a paranormalist or anything like that. But this was hard to deny. It was very, very in your face, very, very spooky. Wow. What other kind of odd things have you encountered while filming? So something else that happened to us is, you know, I did a few YouTube videos about a year ago, two years ago, before I started getting into film for my dad's YouTube page.

31:30And we were, we went up to the spot where Jared Adedero's remains were found. Now, if you're watching the trailer while you're listening to this, Jared Adedero is played by the small actor, the young boy wearing the kind of tan jacket and the blue sweats. And so he was, his remains were found in 2003, which was four years after he went missing. So my dad and I hiked up the side of this mountain. It was one of the hardest hikes we've ever done. And we were going to film on top of this mountain where Jared went missing. And my dad leans down. And right where, like, he sits down, there's a small Rubik's cube, a child-sized Rubik's cube. You know, like one of the miniguns sitting there. And it was weather-warned and it was silver and black. So fast forward to a week later when we did an initial interview with Alan Adedero. This was before the documentary was a real thing. And Alan pulls out Raider's cap, which is black and silver. And he said, this was Jared's favorite colors. And my dad goes over and pulls the Rubik's cube off the shelf and shows him.

32:42You know, Alan was speechless. Now that alone, okay, I can believe that. But then fast forward about a year later, we're on the trail. This was a month ago. And my videographer, Michael, is walking down the trail, filming over the side of this kind of rock and bank mitt towards the water on the same trail where Jared went missing. And he finds a small pair of child sunglasses that are red and blue. They're Spider-Man. And he leans over to me and said, did Jared like Spider-Man? And I said, oh, I don't know. I think a lot of kids like Spider-Man. So we didn't think much of it. But then we go to interview Alan again a week later. And he's showing us picture. And he says, you know, Jared loves Spider-Man. And there's a picture of Jared wearing Spider-Man shoes. And again, it was just a weird thing that we went to the trail, found these things. Then a week later, we're interviewing Alan and these same things come up. And, you know, once I can understand twice, it's getting a little spooky.

33:45Yeah, yeah. It's almost tricks, Dresch. Totally. At Edward Jones, we believe Rich is about taking care of what gives your life meaning. That's why your financial advisor personalizes your plan to help you preserve your progress and create something that lasts. Let's find your Rich. Edward Jones, member SIPC. At Edward Jones, we believe Rich isn't about having life all figured out. It's opening yourself to all the possibilities. That's why your dedicated financial advisor provides long-term planning built around you, meeting you where you are and helping you get closer to where you want to be. So no matter where you're starting from, you can move forward with confidence. The key to being Rich is knowing what counts. Let's find your Rich. Edward Jones, member SIPC. So, do you guys think that there is a, let's say an accepted explanation?

34:50Are we going to find an explanation that fits with our accepted view of how things are? Or are we looking at something that might be something we're not fully able to grasp yet? I think that, you know, everyone I tell sort of has their own interest level in one area. Somebody writes to me and they're really into reptilians. Another person writes really into Bigfoot. Another writes and they're really into aliens. I like to think I'm a mile wide and inch thick because I will read things about all kinds of different venues and ideas. And rather than concentrating on one topic, I think people need to start spreading their wings a little bit and looking into these other areas because I think there's going to be parallels there. And I don't, whatever's happening here is a lot smarter than 99.9% of us because it hasn't figured out yet. And, you know, so when I was in college, I majored in entrepreneurship and we studied a lot on disruptive innovation.

35:55And you look at some of the brilliant businessmen of the last 30, 40 years, you have Steve Jobs, Elon Musk. And if these people thought the same way that everybody before them had thought, they would have never made these advances. Steve Jobs came up with the iPod, iPhone, these kinds of things, Elon Musk, the electric car, these kinds of things. And if you, if a lot of people get stuck in this kind of single-minded way of thinking, right? And it's the job of us to kind of stir that part a little bit and to kind of get you thinking. And if I had one suggestion for anybody, it would be don't find one way of thinking and stick with it. And I would treat life as an experiment and continue to think about new things and to try different ways to look at something and to get a different vision. Because I don't know if there is one answer. I think that it's going to take multiple answers and multiple people getting their head around this thing to ever come close to some sort of consensus or answer.

37:01That makes a lot of sense. I do think there's probably multiple answers to what's going on. Even some of the cases that look similar to others might just be that way coincidentally too. It might have very mundane explanations. For sure. Okay, so again, it's missing 411 the movie. People can find you on Kickstarter just by searching for missing 411. And it ends Sunday, August 16th at 9.30 AM Eastern. You need a little over 10,000 left to reach your goal. That's right. And we realized that during the middle of campaigns, which were smack dab in the middle of ours, it kind of hits a lull. So we're asking people to kind of help us get over that hump. And then if we can reach our goal within the next five, six days, we can throw up stretch goals. And then once we throw our stretch goals, we'll be able to offer everybody who's donated free rewards. And so that'll be really cool if we get to that point.

38:04And you already have some excellent rewards there. Hypothetically, if you, assuming you get the funding and everything, when do you expect this to be done? So we're expecting to have kind of a rough cut done probably December time. And then hopefully we'll get a final kind of cut that we're going to then give to our submit to film festivals a month or so later. And so we're looking about right around the new year time. Okay. All right. And I highly recommend if nothing else, people at least look at this. Look at the video, the quality, the work you put into this is fantastic. It looks beautiful. And it's such an important subject. This really needs to be made. Thanks, Saraya. We really appreciate all your help on this thing. All right. Even if people can't donate, they can share it and hope someone else sees it and donates as well.

39:04Absolutely. And if you, you know, if you guys want more information, you can follow us on Twitter at missing dashboard and one the movie or on Facebook, Instagram. We also have a website which is missing dash 411.com. So any of those would work too. Anything else from you, David? Other than even if we hit a hundred thousand, that's not a guarantee because every once in a while somebody will pull back. And it'd be ironic if we hit a hundred and one thousand and four or five people pulled out and we only ended up with 97 thousand. So it's important to push past that goal. Yeah, we need a sort of buffer because just a thing was just two days ago, somebody who had made a two thousand dollar pledge backed out. And he sent us a message and telling us he was going to do it because you know, he had some issues and he said, I didn't want to do it right next to the time we were going to get close to our goal. But like my dad said, you know, we need to have a little bit of a buffer in case a few people pull up, pull out at the last minute.

40:11All right. Well, I thank you guys so much for spending some time with us and talk about this. And let's hope that everything works out and we'll be seeing this early next year. Thanks a million, Saraya. Thanks a lot, Saraya. So you have it that was been in David politis talking about their new documentary. And we'll have David back very soon actually. Okay, I want to take you out with something we've never played here on this show before. This is a band called Saks Mile off their Iris Whitefly project. I believe it came out in 1996. This is a track called a G. Lee C. It's in Cherokee and it means my grandma. And I think this is a fitting piece to end this conversation. Saks Mile. It's my restlessness that brings me here again. Each time I'll come out a little farther.

41:12The family's used to it by now, I suppose. And grandma stopped her teasing. Sure when I was younger with all that talk of the boogie man, I could blame a five-year-old with all the dried gourds and that creepy windmill. I guess it didn't do anything but make me want to come out and see for myself. It's just a looming. For miles and miles. You know I've covered it with square into this place at some point or another. Yeah and over there behind that tree line is the conference problem.

42:24It's just a dance that sun goes down behind those trees. It's like a change comes over everything. And during harvest, I'd been to winter. Each night I'll excuse myself on the table, throw my jacket and head out in the middle of this field. And with each step, I'll recall the things grandma used to say to herself when she was working in a garden or maybe putting us kids to bed. I didn't make much sense at the time. She'd say, nine times with a cat's play. And after that they'll have gone away.

43:25Bear the watchroom and sage. Dark as night when moon glow come the smell of fall I know. Mine the specter in the sage. She used to sound creepy. But now I know what she is. And maybe now she knows the mystery. I'm not going to be able to see her. I'm not going to be able to see her. I'm not going to be able to see her. I split the wood.

44:29I'm hungry and I'm ready to eat. Looking around, reaching through. It releases it from the ground state. Somehow I think she felt this way more so. I'm calling an obsession for the unknown. The undisgued are. A need for mystery. I don't. At Edward Jones, we believe Rich means opening yourself to new possibilities.

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