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3:04No, I was going to say I remember playing like a bunch of 20 over games and then turning up to a game I thought was a 20 over game. It was a 40 over game. It's the longest day of my life. I've been on the field for 80 overs many times a month. I wasn't emotionally ready for it. That's how you look at the moment. Not emotionally ready for the extra five overs. It's actually that. It's about being emotionally ready to actually go out there and just stand there. In 20 overs, I was like, I'm going to count how many balls come to me literally five. Wow. Where we feel like show fun like long on long off short fine leg in short third man. Guys, since they're retired, since they're all retired, like baller stick that time to bowl overs, don't get over in like three and a half four minutes. They take four and a half, five minutes. Everything is slower. Like everything is, you know, it's a little bit more geriatric to put it in my alley. Yeah. Now I can see that. I can

4:10see that. Also, I know, like if you're a same baller and you're only bowling like a few hundred balls a year, right? Yeah. Like that extra 12 second walk back is now really important. Right? There's no. 100 in your set. No. And you also want to make sure like honestly in Legends cricket, five overs just to warm up because nobody is really warming up at warm up. Okay. So since it's not warming up at warmups, the first five overs is counted as warm up. Then it's T10 cricket. So everyone's trying to have a hit. Everyone's trying to kind of play their best cricket and they're trying to they're trying to entertain the crowd. That's essentially what they're trying to do. So that's one rule that I see should make. Change the rules and say Legends cricket can be only 90 ball cricket or 100 ball cricket. It's a shame we don't have any gifts here because like we could just put up the old man's shirts at clouds at Giffa. But I love it. I love it. All right. Let's start with some of the others. We're going to go massively through it. I think Robin Bayer, I'm doing an episode on it as well. I run the global feed. But I want to start with the fact that you

5:13can now use the pink ball in day tests. It's a trial. Pink ball can be used in tests if both teams agree beforehand. By the way, I saw wildly different reports go this. There were some people who are like, you can decide beforehand. It might be a bad light game. So you use the pink ball all the way through. And other people are going, now you're only used to pink ball when it is bad light. So I didn't even see the final explanation of that. But the idea is that if you want to keep playing going for both teams, you can use a pink ball when bad light is expected. Here's the main issue I have with this, Robbie. The pink balls are not very good and they're nothing like the red balls. So you are changing the balance between the game at that point by changing them. And if it's like, if it's a brand new pink ball, you're probably rather than a brand new red ball. If it's a 50 over pink ball, you absolutely don't want it. If you're the bowling team, you don't suddenly want a 50 over pink ball in your hands. It's going to be soft and mushy. Because it gets really soft. So I

6:13could wipe ball, right? They're not as strong as the red balls. That's why pink ball cricket is really fascinating if you go through the dial dot. It's like the two things that happen is you get a lot of new ball wickets and you get a lot of wickets at like twilight or in the first part of the night session. Yeah. And the rest of the time, pink ball matches can be really, really flat. Because if you can get the ball a little bit soft, there's nothing you can do with it as a bowling team. It doesn't help the spinners or the pace bowlers anyway. But what I would argue is it's just such a different kind of ball than the red ball that I don't really see how like this is not like just it's not like just having a basketball game. We're using an orange ball and then suddenly you bring out red, white and blue ball, right? It is an it is actually a different ball that has different characteristics. I don't see how this works. Yeah, I've played pink ball cricket once. We didn't even play with a kukubara ball we played with. And I remember it was an SG Deathsport. It was my it was the last time I played the leap trophy cricket. I remember the new ball doing quite a bit. And then the ground is very duly. And it was like once the ball went past say 20 overs.

7:23Oh my god, it got easier score runs and how, right? And it also got heavy because it was like there was a lot of you that day. And the spinners got pammled. And eventually I don't think I think because it's it behaves differently, right? And you don't use it very often because you don't use it very often. You don't necessarily know how to play your skills with that kind of a ball, right? Yeah. As a baller. So it's new. I feel like the only person who's figured it out is perhaps maybe the two people who figured it out is actually much less dark and shummy to a certain degree. But outside of them, it just feels like it's still a it's still a novelty. So with what they've done right now, it might just become little less of a novelty. Well, you're talking about Mitchell Stark and Shemmy of two of the greatest 30 eyeballs of all time. So it doesn't tell you that the pink balls a little bit like a white ball, right? Like it is. You know, I know you we've had this conversation before. And if you take Mitchell Stark's pink ball stats and you take his red ball stats, he looks

8:26like completely different balls. It looks like a different species of bowl. Right? And so just but if you just in fact, if you just use the Mitchell Stark argument of this, you'd be like, well, wait a minute. So I'm playing in a match and I'm betting against Mitchell Stark and it's a little bit difficult. And he's angling the ball across with this new wobble ball is got and he's got the slips in place. But I'm handling it okay. And then it gets dark. Why on earth would any batter in the world go? Do you know what? I do want to keep batting now. Can we bring the pink ball out? Not like it doesn't make any sense. Right? And the other thing is that surely there must be and you you I don't know. Well, I don't know if anyone has experience on this, but you would have done it in the nets a little bit. You're going to have to recalibrate your eyes at that point. Aren't you a little bit like as well? So you're going to have to get used to the new bounce, maybe different kind of seam or spin, you know, all these sorts of things. And then also you've gone from a dark ball to a light ball. Yeah. That is recalibration that happens with with the I think with your eyes and think how you see a brighter ball in fading light is vastly different than tracking a

9:29deeper darker ball in fading light because it can actually sometimes shock your senses. You know, I've often found this challenging when, say for example, I moved from the equator to going below the equator to the southern hemisphere. I don't know if we've spoken about this we must have. Thank you mentioned it before. Yeah. Yeah. So it takes a judgment to happen. So I've found heaps better to wear sunglasses while batting when I go below the equator where it's where it's too bright. And because I feel like it's so bright that I'm not able to spot a white ball during the day. You know, so I reckon, you know, the guys will have to figure out solutions when they actually go out there and you have to contend against this kind of stuff. And I don't necessarily think and you want to choose to pick the pink ball, you know, and what are they going to use? I mean, you pink balls when they when they have to go where like, what is the, how's that going to work? I think that's the other interesting, as I was saying before, of after that, I think they're a little bit better now. So the ones that you used wouldn't have been reinforced. So I think the pink ball now is better to about the 3540 overmark, right? But if you've got a red ball and it's a 45 overmark, chances are

10:33it's still hardish, right? Yep. Obviously some go flat and learn to say why it's a match of some and all these sorts of things. But more often or not, they don't go that soft at the 45 overmark. So yeah, so you're in a disadvantage if you're the bowling team. And then the opposite, as we said before, it's fading light. You're not picking the ball up particularly well. And suddenly you've got a Muhammad Shammi or a Mitchell Stark or whoever it else who has a great record with the pink ball is zipping it around past you. And I think you're right. I think it will have to be a little bit. I think to match it, you almost need a slightly newer pickable because they just made differently. So the best way of explaining it is that the red ball is fully dyed and that's why it keeps so strong. The white ball is fully painted and that's why it completely falls apart and gets soft so early. And the pink balls kind of up an amalgamation of both, right? And because of that, then you dig us through that. How is it? What's the amalgamation like? So the best way of explaining it is that it's very hard to dye the leather and keep it strong

11:35unless you're using a dark pink pigmentation. So we can make black cricket balls or navy blue cricket balls, right? The problem with that is as you would know is about it, you're not going to pick it up. Whereas for whatever reason, the red, the brightness of the red still works really well. And we can't use green because we're on a cricket pitch, right? So red actually is almost an accidentally brilliant color. I don't know how they came across it. When you're doing pink, you have to basically, the only way to make the ball stay as hard is to put extra lacquer on it. What happens when you put extra lacquer on a ball? Robbie? Start swinging, you shine that one, say. Right. So it doesn't behave like a red ball, right? So, and then if you go light to again, which pink is actually still a dark color, not 100%, but darker color than white, obviously. And once you get to white, you can't really dye the leather white very well. And the only way to do it is to essentially spray paint it. So the pink ball has the extra lacquer to make it a little bit harder. But once that lacquer comes off, it still reacts more like a white ball. So it's sort of halfway

12:38between the two. The point being is just that it's a different ball, right? And so it's, there's going to be times when it's going to massively help the batting team. And it can be times when it massively helps the bowling team. Now, you and I have covered enough cricket and played enough cricket to know that any replacement ball can do that. It was that ashes test, right? Where they plucked one out and it could bleed out. Remember when India had that great comeback after being bowled out for 50 and Rishabh Khan hit the ball out of the ground? And that ball wasn't doing much and they replaced it with another new-ish ball. And that new-ish ball suddenly zipped around for a good evening. Yeah, right? Anytime you replace that cricket ball, this is one thing that's really hard to explain to cricket fans because they're like, boy, there must have been tampering or fixing it. It's like, there isn't. It's just that no one knows what the cricket ball in the case is going to do. But what we are doing here is we're making it much more variable. And they're going to, the first time this happens, it could be that it massively helps one side or the other. And at that point, we have to decide as a cricket community if we want it or not. Yeah. So you know, I was just thinking about when you talk about the lack of a cricket ball, I was just thinking of

13:39the difference between a red ball and a white ball and a pink ball. And finally, now a red ball after it gets old, it still looks like a leather ball. But it's so different with the white and the pink ball. They don't look like leather balls. For some reason, I can't, I was thinking, what what does the ball actually look like? Like what material does it look like? Yeah, I know you may not have it. I do have a new pink ball somewhere around here. This is what an old white ball looks like, right? This is an old white ball that I have here at home. And so since I'm in Dubai, this is Pakistan made. This is really a really good quality. But it's not the same as a, there's a sense of like brokenness on the shine. Like it's like chipped. And so you would be like shining also. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you find it. Nothing happens. Whereas the red ball kind of, it looks like leather, right? And it may tangibly look like leather. Because it's more like an old leather

14:43sofa or a leather jacket, right? Don't want to get too hansi-cronier on this. But you know, and I think that that that basically where there's in a way, whereas when you die these things light, so white or or pink. And you would know this as well. You know, there's yellow indoor crick-a-balls. They're yellow. And they do the exact same thing. They look like a cricket ball for about the first five overs. And then suddenly it starts to flake off. And it's that sort of paint. That's it. It gets really flaky. Yeah. They actually get flaky. In fact, even the old ball gets flaky once the lacquer's off. Even like the old like once, it seems like the paint comes off with the leather and it looks chippy everywhere. But you could smooth it on a red ball, right? On a red ball, of course you can. The paint doesn't come off as chips. Only bad quality red balls come off as chips. But good quality red balls, they actually just fade away. And then there's still a layer of lacquer underneath that you can shine and maintain the ball with, right? No, 100%. So,

15:43it's a trial. These things happen. I just think it's, I don't think they realize just the people who brought this in just how different these balls react. And you can see it in the stats. There's plenty of things that we've talked about before. Leg side wides, I think this one is good. So, the best way I could explain this one, Robbie, is, and this was trialled for a while, which is, the baller goes for a yorkron leg stump. The batter walks across the offside to scoop it. The ball misses leg stump by a few inches and passes behind the batter's legs. And umpires were calling it wides. And I think cricket people will laugh, well, that's not a wide. Because if you're standing in your normal position, you can hit that, right? It's a wide when it slides down the leg side. It's not a wide when it misses the outside of leg stump by like three inches. So, that to me feels like a really common sense way of fixing things, right? 100%. I think, I think they've tried this for almost a couple of years right now. And I think it's a fair rule. I think the first position of the batter, where he's standing is considered that's where he bats. And then so, that is, uh, that is the line against which the wide is going to be measured if that's going to be,

16:46if that's going to go down that side. Um, and so I think that's, that is the right way to go. To be very honest, if you look at cricket over the last, say, 12, 18 months, being a batter, it feels like, man, this is a, you know, this, this, this still is really hard for, like, this is really hard for the bowlers. Like, if you, if you really don't have a strong bowling unit, um, it's, this is not going to look good for any slightly weak bowling attack, right? Because good ones to get taken to the cleaners now. The bad ones that be crucified. No, no, I agree. I think, I think any, any little thing like this, also, if the batter is going to move around the crease, the wide line already should be moving around, right? And we kind of allowed for that on the off side, but not on the leg side as much. And so I just feel like this, for me, this improves the game. If you, we want Yorkers, right? You know, one of the big things that we saw in the data last year was that team, like teams in the death of, um, my PL games are not bowling at the stumps anymore. Cricket boards actually make watching their games almost impossible.

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20:05Spirits are not sold in Virginia and North Carolina. Drink responsibly B-21. Who wants a wide fucking yorka? It's a terrible delivery to watch, right? It's either sliced over backward point, it's mishitting, it goes nowhere, or it's missed, and it goes through to the keeper. And maybe you have to re-bole it again. If you compare that, we should be incentivizing bowlers to bowl straight, because that is where cricket is at. It's most exciting. When the batter can hit a six, but the bowlers can also clean them up, right? That's the combination that you look at. Yeah. Yeah. You ideally want to play on a wicket, and this is why I actually quite enjoyed the ETPL wickets, because it felt like they were honest true wickets. So if you had to score runs, you had to play good cricket in shots, you need to apply yourself, and you needed to use what's in between here. If you didn't use this, and if you didn't figure out a way to score your runs and score runs for your team, and that deep, the chances of doing that were very, very hard, and do you remember when I upset the groundsman at Malahide? No, I should do that. When we were at the bar, when we were at the bar at Malahide, and the guy started talking to us, and then we found out

21:09he was the groundsman, and I made a comment about the pitch being hard to bat on, and he did. And I was like, no, I don't mean it in a bad way, but he did not accept it in that way. He's like, how can you say the pitch is bad to bat on when people are going out to Glenn Maxfowl? And I was like, that's also a valid point. That is the point. I'm on your side. Also, we like T20 wickets where there's a little bit in them. All right, coaches are now allowed to be on the field or designated start. So head coaches and designated staff can come on schedule drink breaks to talk to anyone, ODIs at T20s. Obviously, Robbie, we've already seen this in, yeah, we've seen this for the last couple of years. Have we been domestic in the IPA? Yeah, in a few different domestic leagues. I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, did they know that the coach is out on the field? And I realized, I can't remember what league I was watching, but it was a league where they really brought that in. My only question to you is, it is, and I'm not against this, as you will know, but it is our continued Americanization of cricket. One of the great things about cricket before is the players on the field had to work it out, which meant that captains were really important. When you start to

22:11bring coaches onto the field, it does change the dynamic a little bit. Having said that, coaches can just walk around to anyone on the boundary at any stage and talk to them. Correct. Yeah, but that's happens anyway, but I reckon they've already tried this thing for the last couple of years, and it's been working. And I just think that they've kind of made it official right now. I think we get to see, most of those changes being, I think most ICS changes kind of get applied into domestic cricket first, and then league cricket. And then if it's working there, then they bring it on. So testing grounds are these two places. And then if it works there, and today it feels like it's just a norm, right? Even with, say, the leg side wide or whether bad is standing in bad is always told, here, that's your first position. So it's going to be measured by that position. So I think it's nice. I like this rule, actually. Would you have liked it when you're a player? Yeah, why not? No, I'm just wondering. You're 40, not out. It's the 16 overmark and in ODI. I don't even know who your coach would have been at that stage, but your coach comes out to chat to you. And you're like, I've got this, because I can see why old Robbie would like it,

23:13but I'm just asking if Young Robbie would like it. Young Robbie. Yeah, I would have liked it. I like communication. I like kind of, you know, having clarity about what needs to get done. And for me, that clarity was, has always been imperative, especially in team environments for me. So even if I was a player or a captain, like, always like to have that clarity. So more information, the better. And it's easy to marry with what you're actually doing on the field. And you know, the best way to use that information to align it to the greater good of the team. Yeah. So, um, I years ago sat in the Hong Kong dug out. Is it Simon Cook? I think was there a coach at the time? And he, um, he passed a message to the 12th man who talked to the bowler. And then the next over the whole thing played out, Robbie. And it was clear that either the message hadn't been passed correctly, or the bowler couldn't do the thing. And I remember him just turning to me and he goes, I don't know if the message wasn't clear, or if the bowler can't do the thing that we've asked him to do. And it was like, it was a very simple little, you know, uh, you know, message that went across.

24:18But if you're not relying, like, if you can't speak directly, and as you said, communication, the minute you add like a 12th man, and this was associate cricket rights, and the 12th man was probably like a 20 year old who hadn't played much cricket before. Um, that's so key, by the way. Yep. That's so key that the person communicating the message is someone who knows how to articulate well, because you need to be able to pass that message on verbatim, right? And a lot of a lot of guys go out there and a lot gets lost in translation. And oftentimes because it gets lost in translation, it's un, like, it's not unreasonable, but it's what's being said is not resonable to the, to the players on the field. So, and they're like, you know what, I'll do my thing, you just tell them, you've bust a message on it. It happens so much in cricket, so often. No, 100%. I think, I think it's, it's one of those things that people don't really understand. It's like so many times in cricket, I think the issue that has happened on the field is simple miscommunication rather than anything else. Um, and so I like that. I like the idea of coaches

25:22coming on the field, honestly. Like, I do think that adds an extra, um, layer to it. And also teams were doing it anyway before these rules came in. Like, people would run off, if captains would run off the field and get messages. Like, it's fine. You remember that Bob Wommer put an earpiece in. I want to ask you about that. You won't believe I was literally thinking of that. I was thinking, I want to ask him about that, that your piece and that, and that, and that, you know, the walkie. What was that all about? Because like, I think, I think, I didn't get the full download on that. What is that about? Like, what, what exactly was, was being done there? I think what, what Bob Wommer was doing in that situation was, he was basically copying more along the lines of what the NFL does. So the NFL quarterbacks quite often have like a, like a earpiece in their ear so they can talk to the coaching staff right directly. Yeah. And I think that was what Bob Wommer was doing. I don't know if it was one way communication. Um, as in I don't know like, I would assume, sorry, right? It was Hansi, wasn't it? Yeah. I mean, assuming Hansi could just hear Bob Wommer, which I think if you're going to do that properly,

26:25Robbie, don't, it doesn't have to be two way. Otherwise, you might not even understand. Because you might not even heard him properly, right? There's the crowds there and there are things happening and people who talk to you in real life. But yeah, I think the idea was that Bob Wommer was feeding them information that they were getting off the field, right? And as an analyst, like I completely get that, but it does change what the captain see is at that point. Right? And so we have to again, this is going back to what we said before. We have to make a decision if we want the cap, if we want cricket to go towards that way, or if we want the captain to be the ultimate person. But I am fascinated by the yearpiece side of things. And if we're going to let coaches come on the field, like, is that, do we just end up in a position where the captains and the coaches are talking to each other all the game through it? You know, on one hand, it feels like to me that at the end of the day, it's just your discussing strategy, right? Provided, you know, you've got someone monitoring the, maybe the credibility or the integrity of the day of the conversation behind or the information being shared, right? About what strategy to use,

27:31you know? If that part is covered, I'm like, why not? Right? Like, I'm a little bit, I'm all for, like, you know, modernization of the game or evolving the game. And would this add an extra tactical layer into the game? Sure, it would. Would it be, would it impair, say, the, the new followers of cricket? No, it wouldn't. It'll actually be, they're actually enjoyed. Thanks. I also think it's fascinating because you watch, like, so, so test captains, I'm sorry, captain team general cricket captains, probably most similar to either base, sorry, not baseball, NFL quarterbacks or sort of the handball or the basketball sort of point guard kind of position I forget what it's called in handball, but the guy sets up a plays in handball, right? And even though they have the coaches yelling in their ears or they have the microphone on them, right? Some of the best versions of those players are still the players who can see things that the coaches can't see, right? Was it all the manning brothers, right? I think they were the ones I was like, you

28:34know, you have that ability to do that. And you watch like Chris Paul playing point guard in the NBA. And it's like the coaches are in his ear the whole time, but Chris Paul is seeing things that even the coaches can't see because he's a genius. So I wonder if it makes cricket smarter, but it doesn't stop MS Donies or, you know, those sorts of level of thinkers or Ben Stokes kind of guys who are still going to find ways of making things happen because that's just the way their head works, right? But it might help specifically the younger, do you remember when Rishabh Park was first captain in the IPL? And I don't know, do you just think Ben Stokes and MS Donie and the same in the same lane? No, no, from the ability of those like, don't you want an adult speaking to Ben Stokes? But don't you also want Ben Stokes just being like, actually, I can, I'm going to try this thing at the moment, right? Whereas if your Pat Cummins, I could see that Pat Cummins would probably, he would absolutely, I think it would make him a much better captain if he had someone in his ear the whole time. But Pat Cummins is not that kind of captain who invents things out on the field. Ben Stokes is Owen Morgan is, you know, Mike really, we can go

29:36back. Those sorts of guys invent things when they're out there, right? But the captain's I thought it was most handy for our people like Rishabh Park, especially when you're starting off, when like simple things like, yeah, keeping the numbers in your head, right? My favorite thing when you're watching Capititi is when someone has like early on in their career and they've miscounted the numbers and you suddenly realize they've got the wrong baller bowling for the wrong end and one of their best bowlers is not going to bowl out. Like I love like because we think about, you know, you've been in charge before, you know how tricky all those things are. And now you're in a matte situation as well. Like it's chaos, right? So is that a way to make these things better as well? I don't know if we'll ever go as far as that. I'm just pointing out that it is something. I love it. I think it should go. Like imagine like the one person who would have benefited the most from this would have been Shikar Davan because Shikar would forget that he had bowlers left to bowl sometimes, you know, because he'd be so tuned into the rigmaroles of the game that he'd forget that he'd have an option there that he could have used tactically in the dead-overs. There were in times that he's

30:40balled a baller shot when he's leading one of those franchises that he's led in the OPL because he just it slipped his mind. Well also you know the other thing of like like I've interviewed so many captains about this over the years and they'll come off and I'll say well this guy had figures of like two overs for eight, right? And the pitch was obviously assisting him and you went away and you went to this other guy who ended up bowling four overs for 50, right? And you realize that of course they're not looking at the figures. They're just trying to remember the basic sort of memories of it and just to be able to say like just to have a voice in the ear going can we slip in one more over of this guy here before we have to you know bring all the other guys back on, have that conversation. And I think it works more into 20 cricket because in test cricket everyone's near each other and it takes 20 cricket. No one's standing near each other and as you said before communication. Absolutely and I actually think it's useful for some people and could be too much information for somebody else but I reckon it'd be nice to go that way. All right there's a couple

31:46of more things that are on the run pass you suspect actions. Match officials can use Hokko data when deciding whether to report a bowling action. I don't understand this because Hokko data as I understand it is the ball coming out of your hand and going to the other end. So I'm assuming this means biomechanical Hokko data. Hokko data. What I don't understand about this is why do we need match officials to look at the Hokko data when if we already have biomechanical readings of these players on the ground. Can't we already tell if there's a problem? Like this should be an automatic thing and then humans an AI go and have a look at it later to see if there's an issue. Right? Like I don't actually understand why you need someone still to report it because I still think that brings him biases whereas our brother so I'll tell you what he's information and now we do it. This is my assumption of why. Right? I think despite them having so much information at hand, I don't think they put people into into those into a place where they're able to collect the data

32:46and get just these basic numbers in place as a foundation. Right? Just to say biomechanically this is the amount of bend he has in his hand when he's delivering the ball it could be under six degrees, under five degrees under eight degrees under 10 degrees. But even that basic data is not collected yet. That basic analysis hasn't been done yet and so they feel the the best way to do it overall is to have someone actually physically do it there. Right? With the way with the place where AI is today, it should be it should be easily integrated into it. Right? If you're able to record and put into biomechanically put definitive numbers based on you know certain algorithms based on you know the bulk of how a bowler bowls right and you can use this for batters as well. It's such a unique thing that you can use for batters to see when batters are in form or when batters are not in form and this is such great talking material for say broadcasters when we're actually on air right and it's it's really insightful rather than just kind of talk about the ball going into the clouds and you know going and hitting the air hostess this could be even more meaningful things to talk

33:49about from the you know from broadcast. No 100% 100% I just sort of was interesting the way that they done it because it's a bit like they do this with pictures as well they're like they only look at the whole go data last and I was like that's that I would start with the whole go data first and then I would go and then I would think about what it happened in the game because I've already got my notes in my I test. Just the whole go data match this and it feels like we're going in a in a slightly different direction. It feels like for a sport Hawkeye was invented for cricket right and yet all other sports are embracing it in a much more open-hearted way than cricket is and cricket's like oh yeah yeah we invented this thing that is changing sports around the world forever but we'll get to it when we're not ready we've got you know we've got some other things that we need to do first on the way there. All right it's such an absolute pain in the ass that whole thing the fact that despite having full access to it they've not used the full potential of the of Hawkeye as a deck. Yeah 100 that I was up me and him and Esh were arguing about this not arguing agreeing about that the other day it's so frustrating to us that these things don't get out. We've got a couple of super chat. Cricket views says ODI cricket is dying, played with a pink ball and the

34:51contest between bat and ball will be better and every format then has its own color of ball. I have talked I've tried to put this push this myself cricket views before and it doesn't go anywhere like I'm kind of with you it's like how do we distinguish ODI cricket from the other formats. The pink ball is actually a really interesting way and also as we said before it does a lot it does get hard until about the four of stay hard I should say until about the 40-45 over my it's you know apologies to all families not sitting as well there but so I do actually understand the idea of a pink ball having said that people who I trust the most who have done the research on this simply say pink ball shit so so I don't know but I I'm kind of on on side with that but I think it would give us really really lopsided one day games I think it would give us 150 all out or 450 scores and I don't know if that's good or bad but maybe that's you know are you okay with that. I'm like why does it have to be pink kind of be orange or something.

35:51Do you want the full history of this because I can go through it because there's another super chat about this as well right and it says what about silver or gold okay so carry packer wants to play cricket under lights yeah really silver. I think they've tried everything by the way I think they've almost tried every color by this point. Carry packer wants to play cricket under what under lights right and they use the red ball and the ballers come flying in and the players are like we can't see it. Essentially the dark ball matches with the shadow off the pitch and it just becomes impossible so even if you fix their side screens and everything else it becomes impossible so they they this is this is maybe taking the piss a little bit but they essentially just spray paint a bunch of cricket balls in different colors right and they come out of it originally thinking that pink and orange might be the balls to be used but then they used a white one and that's the first time that the batters go we can really see this right that's why we end up with white balls and it's only later that they worked out that they couldn't make them very good but by this stage they're taking them up so in the 90s they start to play first class cricket in Australia with multicolored balls and the first ball they they use yellow and these orange yellow and orange

36:54absolutely great except at one time of the day Robbie. As the sun starts to set seeing an orange ball it disappears right a yellow ball which is completely disappear and so my understanding is that yellow and orange balls are they're not that much better than the pink but the pink you still have a chance of seeing in that period and the other two you don't so that's why we don't go in that direction and so the pink eventually came out of them trying things like silver and gold and off white and brown and black and everything else they have tried. They should have lost twice. I think they did. Turquoise I think still has a problem with the grass right so I was told and this was this was someone who used to work in with Crick-a-Ball manufacturing that they still think green might be the best color like green might be the best color ball but you can't use it because yeah too often it gets going in the in the background but thank you very much for both of your super chats and we got one more here from Yash you says do you know what type

37:55of ball that India is searching for South Africa woke up because of the amount of debuts I might even debut wonder Gash trying to get a call out here I was who was I talking to recently was one of South African players and they were saying that there's two different very different kinds of wickets in South Africa now since the sort of global warming and the pitches have changed over there so the high-vout wickets are even more bounce and pace and carry and then when you get on the coast it's very much you want bowlers bowling lower arm actions at the stump so a lot more bold in lbw and you've done essay 20s you might have noticed this as well so I'm not sure there is one kind of baller you need you probably need a couple of tall bowlers who hit the wicket the pressured Krishna types and you're pretty I harsh it runner types and you probably need a couple of other hit the stumps types bowlers maybe you know Prince Yadda have type bowlers like if you want a like a particular type of bowler yes to answer your question you want you want the boomerah yeah that should just pick five boomers it's silly that I have just five boomers that's the only that's the only thing that can save India as I ask right now with the way they're bowling are you

38:59already about the bowling I'm very concerned about the bowling I've said this before I've said this I've said this in the bunch of podcasts before I said I'm really concerned about bowling what will happen to India's India's bowling and what will happen to India's you know chances after someone like boomerah retires or he's you know obvious he's sign lined because of an injury god for big it's a huge concern for me because I think that the mindset towards bowling has as a shifted and I think the cop out is it's almost an easier thing to do right now and stand behind the fact that I don't care about me economy I'm just going to go for wickets right that works for people who predominantly get wickets but if you're not someone who gets third of wickets then you better you better focus on your your economy rate because it it matters to the team and it matters to the success of the team it's really interesting that a lot of allers just going down we're yeah India are massive favorites for the world cup right and I think the bowling is a bit of a question mark but the truth is that most other teams aren't particularly good at batting and India has a batting line up with it yeah so because people were saying the other day why are India such favorites and I

40:03said well if you look at it like Australia's batting at the moment looks really thin right South Africa have a very good batting lineup but they're not the team that could bats you out of games that consistently we don't know what England's going to do I would say New Zealand's a bit more similar to South Africa in that it's a steady batting lineup maybe not one that will bat you out the game so you could see why the market still favors India plus former plus you know some more round options and other things that they have available to them but there's still weaknesses there like they you know I I Australia and India are really short for that world cup and I'm not sure either of them completely justify the numbers at the moment you know having a look at the legal the legal betting markets for all I reckon I reckon Australia has Michel Stark read the next work of mid-star bat commons here's Lord yeah assuming they all get there and they don't one of them doesn't retire Hazelwoods barely played any cricket like he's in and out all the time right Cummins has just had a cutler big injuries Stark's the one who's doing well fitness-wise but Adam Zampus really struggled this year and ODI cricket specifically

41:06he looks off-galo I was watching him in that ODI series against South Africa he looks certainly looked off-galo yeah he was really really struggling he was bullying too lengths to be very honest yep I don't think I've ever seen him bowl that many bad balls in one day cricket before it like it really was it was so noticeable it could just be former could be injury but there are whispers from the hundred as well that he was struggling there at times and then you've got and then they don't have a strong fifth bowl or anymore as well right whereas before they were sort of cheating their fifth bowl or a little bit now they're going to have to cheat it from even loser options to them so I don't think Australia's a terrible team I still think they're very good but at the moment South Africa seems to know exactly what their one day team is and Australia is a little bit confused it's a while out it's not like it's happening tomorrow things can change quite dramatically but I just thought both of those teams have weaknesses even if they're the massive favorites for the World Cup at the moment yeah anyway Robbie that is us done for the live Kimapa the big more Kimapa yeah there'll be more Kim apas it's okay it's alright Robbie looks more upset than anyone else but he doesn't know that I'm

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