COACHING SEARCH: Indiana Defensive Coordinator Bryant Haines is ELITE

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1:16in the elite developer of talent, you're in the right place. Sit back and relax because today's show is for you. Welcome back into Lockdown. Seminole's I am your host Brian Smith. Today's show is about Brian Haines, the defensive coordinator for the defending national champion Indiana. He's one of the most unique in recent college football history and quite honestly in modern sport. He's a guy that has earned his way from the FCS level, G6, now at Indiana, and they have been dominant before I go into his date of birth and all the basic stuff. Today, I want to do a slight change. I just want to throw up a few stats to kind of put it into perspective why Indiana was so

2:19dominant last year and I get it. Mendoza was great, but these stats for the defense are incredible. The Hooters played in 16 games so that stats with totals are a little bit skewed in the sense because they played more, but take it with a grain of salt. Total defense, they gave up 266 yards of game, fourth in the country, rushing 77.2 second in the country, passing 188.8, 24, scoring 11.7, that's second, sacks, 46, that's second. Tackels for loss, 129, that's first, interceptions, 19, that's sixth, third down defense, they only allowed 30.1 percent, that is eighth. The only category, and this is being very nitpicky where they struggled at all, passes of 20 or more yards they gave up 41, which was 88. However, everybody was trailing Indiana, they just depanced so many teams, they had to throw the ball more. So that stat is a little bit skewed, and we're going to talk about a key player for the

3:21Hooters last year, who's back this season, Stephen Daly. He is the quintessential player to study because throughout Brian Haines coaching career, he's taking guys that were either transfers or weren't highly rated and done incredible things with him. Just remember the name Stephen Daly because he was dominant last year, had 19 Tackels for loss, he was a guy that transferred to Indiana from Kent State, who, and was a dominant big 10 player, and one of the reasons that they were so good all of last year, and are again this season. So without further ado, here is the Brian Haines profile, date of birth, October 17, 1985, born in London, Ohio. He's not that far from Columbus, it's a little bit west off of I-70 between Dayton and Columbus. High school, he went to Pickwell. It's a pretty good program, it's always had good players. He ended up being a guy that was in the North South All-Star game in the state of Ohio. You played a ball state, that's my second Alma Mater, ironically, in the state of Indiana

4:25in the Mac, he was a guy that was a multi-year starter at linebacker, and he again just been around football for a long time, growing up in Ohio, being in that base for, off I-70, football is life and death. I can just tell you that from being a Midwest guy, Brian Haines knows what it looks like, what it means to each community. So I think that will transcend to pretty much anywhere that he will go. His resume may be more impressive. Manchester and Adrian, some of you are going to be like, who? Manchester is a small school that is in northern Indiana, it's a little bit west of Fort Wayne. Adrian is a school, it's in the state of Michigan, and it's another small school. Both of them are the kinds of schools where they try to find scholarship money for athletes, et cetera. So he's seen what it's like to recruit in a myriad of ways, not just powerful or G6, he's seen it.

5:25In 2009, in Manchester, he was a defensive line coach in 2010 and 11. He was doing line coach again, but he was also strength and conditioning coach. In IU, he went there for the opportunity to be a graduate assistant, ironic, because that's where he's at again. 2013, he took his graduate opportunity to Ohio State. So in 2012 and 2013, he was in the Big Ten. And then this is where the journey truly begins. He finds his way with Kurt Signetti at Indiana University, Pennsylvania. Yes, that is a thing. That is a school. And yes, it's in Pennsylvania. 2014 and 2015, DeWine Coach and defensive, or excuse me, strengthen conditioning coordinator. The one year that he moved away from signetti in this time was in 2016. He went to UC Davis out in California and coached linebackers, but then he was right back at Ewan 2017 and 18 with signetti coaching linebackers. They've been from there. That's where it really, really took off. He joined with signetti again at James Madison from 2019, from 2023.

6:31For the first three seasons, he was co-DC in linebackers. And then for the last two, he was a defensive coordinator in linebackers by himself. The then day, of course, moved on to Indiana University. For 2024 to modern day, he has been the defensive coordinator and linebackers coach for the Indiana Hoosiers. I like to see coaches that have been through a variety of places. It's coach in California, Virginia, a down south to a certain degree, Ewan. James Madison is a very key place because he's recruited in Virginia. That's a good place to have as a baseline. There aren't many places that he hasn't recruited, being at some of these private schools, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana. But he hasn't recruited in Florida or Georgia as a baseline. That's the only thing that I'm curious about from that. It would be nice if he had, but he's still got a nice bit of variety. And being at Indiana twice and being at Ohio State as a graduate assistant, it probably

7:33gave him a blueprint for what it's going to be like. Being under Urban Meyer, being under Signetty, those are really good opportunities. When I saw the Ohio State graduate assistant, I'm like, oh, I know Urban. He's as good an eye of talent both coaching and player that I've ever met. For him to have hired, Brian Haynes tells me something. He doesn't miss on many of those guys. To that end, he's also a guy that understands that people are going to move on and do great things. I bet you if Urban's career would have went longer, he would have tried to rehire. That is my strong guess. To that end, he goes to James Madison and they just keep plugging away. They find guys that other people don't want. Sometimes transfers, sometimes kids at a high school may be a little bit undersized, but it's about development. I said a minute ago that I wanted to bring up that development piece.

8:37When we come back, I'm going to talk about Stephen Daling. This is one of the greatest stories in recent college football history, a player that was barely recruited and is now one of college football's best players regardless of position. Who's the guy that's overseeing that development? It's Brian Haynes. We're going to talk about that next right here, unlocked on civils. Today's show is brought to you by our friends at CalShi. College football is back and so are the predictions. Who's going to make the playoffs? Who's going to win different divisions? Whether it's NFL or not. And on CalShi, it's a little bit different. You can go into the market and do all kinds of things. It's not just about games, wins and losses. When is a coach going to be jettisoned or not? Yes. That includes Mike Morvel. We'll get to that in one second. It is on anything. It could be politics. It could be stars. It could be sports, anything on CalShi.

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10:41inside every MDX, ADX and Integra. That's precision crafted performance. That's Accura. Stephen Daly is maybe the best story over the last few years of college before. He's my favorite to study and here's why. Lowly ranked recruit out of Virginia goes to Kent State, eventually transfers to Indiana University. Now, the year before he went to Indiana, he was a pretty good player for Kent State, but that's the mid-American conference, the MAC. Two points of emphasis. Stats overall for the year before he went to IU and then within that they played a couple of games that were important. Kent State played Tennessee and Penn State. We're going to come back to that, but remember that's usually a barometer of future success. But that year, he had 51 total tackles. Pretty good for a defensive edge. Nine tackles for loss for sex.

11:42Good player. But against Tennessee and Penn State, no sacks, no tackles for loss. He had five total tackles in those two games. He was just a guy. Brian Haynes in Indiana decided to take it. He wasn't a walk on. He was a scholarship guy. He came in and he was a dude. What did Stephen Daly do in 13 games last year? He missed the last three with injury. He got hurt and he'll have a state game in the big 10 title game. So here are his 13 game stats. In 11 of the 13, he had at least a half a tackle for loss. And he had 19 overall. What did the big 10? He had five and a half sacks. So Stephen Daly goes from a solid player in the Mac, but didn't produce in the couple of games that Kent State played against upper echelon competition, meaning Tennessee and Penn State. He was the Indiana under that staff, the entire staff to be cleared deserves credit.

12:43But Haynes is a defense coordinator. And as a defense of edge that's undersized, these six one, maybe he's listed at six one. I don't know if he really is just over 270 pounds. He leads the big 10. Entacles for loss. If that is not development. I don't know what is. So ask yourself this. When was the last time that four to state had a player that was a transfer like that that was nobody really thought much of, not a guy that was really highly rated or like a free show, had all the measurals. Again, this guy six one, he was listed at 260. When he was at Kent State, he gets up over 270 Indiana and stats explode. He's one of the best players in the conference. Now, four to states had some really good transfers on both sides of the ball. Yeah, they taken one that everybody's like, you know, he's just that guy that's going to come off the bench. And then we just a conference or maybe get draft, whatever it may be.

13:45Daily is back this year because he got hurt and he couldn't really compete at the combine. He got kind of hosed. I got a feeling he's going to get drafted after this year. He's off to another good start. But matter of fact, his PFF grade is 90.9. It's the highest on Indiana's defense. They've got a top 10 defense again this year. And last year, this is maybe the best barometer of the strength and conditioning program and how they coach these young men. D Liman, if you go look at like the 21 and 22 Georgia teams, which their defenses were insane. They were deep. Nobody's playing more than like 354 hundred snaps or the yeap. They're very few like up front now, DB linebackers, old different but up front. Daily in 13 games played 529 snaps. That's a really high total for defensive lineman. And he was consistently productive from beginning to end until his injury.

14:46You go through the stats like each week they're good, even top players at most schools. You're going to have a game like, yeah, he didn't you didn't place a lot of that. Go through daily stats for yourself when you get a chance. Stephen Daley was consistent against big 10 level competition. And even against teams like Ohio State, very good football player against Iowa, just Oregon, et cetera. He did what he needed to do. That is something that for the state, desperately needs, whether it's Brian Haynes, they hire or somebody else. Can you develop guys? Not just the obvious freak of joy that four of the states go to get and they'll start getting more of again when they hire a big time coach again. But you've got to be able to take that three star kid. And this is where I'll end on this point before I go into the Haynes questions and finish up under Balden and under Jimbo. They still took a lot of three star kids that were just athletic. We can do something with this guy, especially under Balden. It blew my mind.

15:46They take a kid. You didn't know if he was going to play a quarterback running back, DV, whatever. Charlie Ward. Bobby even told Charlie you're going to end up a DV. He said no, and obviously proved everybody wrong. When the Heisman in 93, a quarterback, but they signed a ton of players that were offensive or defense. Haynes seems to be that same kind of guy. He will find a place and absolutely make it better for that young man to take a step up. Four of the states got to get that if they want to win big again, especially early on, whatever coach they hire for a year or so, you're going to have to find a way to maneuver because you're not going to have as much talent as Georgia, Miami, Ford, and some of these other schools that are passed by the Velominus key. I am 100% steadfast that Brian Haynes is that dude. Now for the questions. Number one, how would Haynes adapt to living and recruiting in Dixie?

16:49This is a massive question that I simply don't have an answer for. They've recruited players down here. That's fine, but by and large, Indiana is a transfer portal team. They are the exception to every rule in the recruiting metrics index for whatever person you want, whether it's Bud Elliott's index or anybody else, you look at the elite programs. The end is the only one that isn't primarily a high school recruiting team that has been consistent over the last three seasons, 24 to modern day. There it. Everybody else is at least somewhere around 50% or above. Miami this past couple years, taking a few more transfers, but they've been spending crazy money to do it. I'm not sure how much stock I put in that, but in the trenches, Miami still recruits lineman out of high school for the most part. Indiana is an exception.

17:50Can't Haynes recruit at any level? I don't know. And he can't do it down here. I think his development will sell itself and it's for the state, but he would need to hire the right people on his staff to make it work. It's something to ask. I really don't know the answer, but it is something to consider. Number two, his coordinator hires. I don't have much concern about this. Can you imagine the opportunity for somebody that's maybe a really good coach, but he's at a school where the scheme, like the head coach and or the coordinator above them, maybe not right. Maybe he hired somebody that's like the next kind of like he was. I think you'll get it right, but that's something to consider as well. Number three, could Haynes bring multiple coaches from Indiana? This is a really good one. I imagine, and I'm an Indiana grad. Trust me, Indiana is loaded with money. Their coaches are extremely well paid. Haynes is over three million a year, by the way. It's not going to be easy, but I would assume one or two might, maybe one of his assistants

18:52ends up being the DC, have no idea. I haven't studied it, but it's something to think about. And that also helps you fill out your staff quickly. If it works right, but if Indiana is going to make another run, this is the big, fly in the ointment. How would that go? I'm going to do Mike Shanahan as well. He's the office coordinator, Indiana. That's going to be profile I do here in the next few days. I got somebody else I'm going to do tomorrow, but that is something to think about. When would the hires come and would any of the Indiana coaches come? Definitely a consideration. Number four, how well would he deal with the boosters and the administration? What do I know? The state fans have been talking about this for a long time and rightfully so. It is paramount above all that no matter who the head coach becomes, that the boosters are brought in and they open their wallets. There's no way around it. Or the state is way behind on player NIL. So when I say open their wallets, not give to the athletic department.

19:55No, no, no, no, two players. If they still have stuff that they've got to do, that's fine. It was a line item people. They need to move aside. It's got to be for players first. Can he get that done? If the NIL doesn't go up, it doesn't matter if it's Brian Haynes, heck it wouldn't matter if it was Kurt Signetti. With the IU staff, you must go up. IU spends way more on players. Way more than four to state does. They're better. How ironic is that? First, would Haynes allow the OC to actually be aggressive? It's debatable, but we don't know. He's not been a head coach. This is always a question I have. Anytime a DC takes a head coaching job. It doesn't matter where he's been. It doesn't matter if he's in Nixie, if he's up north, traditionary school with offense, whatever. Most defensive minds are going to want to run the ball, play great special teams. It's an occasional pass.

20:57That's kind of the norm. Is he going to be that way? I'm sure that every time he interviews for a job, that's going to be a question that comes up. Number six, how does Haynes adjust his defense to the talent FSU will attract? This one is fun. Now the defense that IU runs would be pretty much traditionally what FSU is operating. A four-man look. If you want to run a three-four, that's okay to a certain degree, but is it a one-gap? It gets very complicated. Similar to Tony White's in terms of the fronts. Now Tony goes way past that. You could run more simplified versions of the three-man front than what Tony does. It's more of the back end for him that's more complex. But it's pretty easy to run a four-man front with all the defensive ends and linebackers that are in the South at 6205 pound guy in high school. Maybe he's not growing any ends up in 6-3 and a half to 35. You put him on the edge on third and sixth.

21:58Why didn't go, I get the quarterback. But on first and 10, maybe he's your will. Those kinds of players, how would you adjust to that? I can only imagine it would get better because you would have more depth, more speed to work with. I don't think he's going to have to change his defense very much at all. Number seven, would Haynes help the nobles move out of the ACC by quickly improving the brand? This is a big box question and a super important one. FSUs in a time crunch. They need to improve their current brand status. What you've done in the past, isn't going to matter for the TV networks. The conference is aka the big 10 in the SEC. If you do not figure it out. And win quickly, regardless if it's Haynes or somebody else, you're going to hurt your status and your chance to leave the ACC. I think he could win quickly. But some of those other questions I asked first are paramount. The OC higher, the DC higher, style of play. Those things will absolutely impact that.

22:58And finally, why Haynes over other coordinators? If I'm going to make the argument, it's twofold. Number one, the development I talked about Stephen Daly for a reason. It's a fact. They took somebody from Kent State, one of the programs that gets shocked every year because they go play at Michigan State, where they go play at Notre Dame or Ohio State or Kentucky. And they get beat 45 to 10. That's just the way it is. They took that kid who didn't do very much against the upper echelon teams that he played with Tennessee and Penn State. But then he goes to IU and he reads to league in Taclos Falls. So development is one. And secondarily, this is just my opinion, very subjective. I believe that Brian Haynes, because he won the Royals Award as college football's number one assistant coach last year, and well deserved. He did it in Indiana, like I'm a grad. That's a school that has always been not bad at football.

24:00Chair Robble. He did it there. I think that he's going to attract some really good assistant coaches no matter where Brian Haynes gets. If you add the four to state logo to Brian Haynes name, can you imagine what kind of staff could be assembled and rather quickly? It would be impressive. With that, thank you very much. I appreciate you checking out the latest coaching profile. I have several others, Buster Faulkner, Glenn Schuman, Manidias. There are several more up on lockdown symbols. Search it, go to the lockdown symbols, YouTube page, Apple Spotify, wherever you get your pods. It's easier to go through the ads to be honest if you use one of the audio profiles. That's my advice. But do as you wish. In bottom line, we've got all kinds of content coming out. And there's going to be more. I'm going to do a preview with a rather interesting game. Four to state Virginia.

25:01I'm going to do a short preview on it. It'll be up tomorrow. I think that's going to be a good game for four to state to find out how much of their roster is truly invested. I think they'll come out, especially in the first quarter and give it everything. Let's see how it goes if they're not ahead. We're going to find out a lot. I want to talk about that in the next episode. Thank you very much for checking out lockdown symbols. Please subscribe and tell us about lockdown symbols. We will see you again soon. I'm a pro football holo famer Brian Dawkins and I live for a long time with something I did not know the name of major depressive disorder. I carried sadness and anger because I thought I could handle it alone, but I couldn't. Now I want to make sure others know that that support is out there. If you're experiencing similar symptoms, talk to a healthcare professional, visit mddalis.com to watch my story. I'm a paid partnership with Johnson & Johnson.

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