CHRIS SULLIVAN Got Sent Home From Disneyland

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3:03I mean, you pointed out that he does look like a human in a dog outfit. Albert does. Yeah. And axle kind of looks like what a sheep dog would look like if he was person who got his hair cut. Yeah, I think that's fair. The two of them are thickest thieves. And just like listen to him talk and it's very sweet. And dad has a lot of kinship with axle. And I think that this is just really hammered that home. Like, yeah, how happy was it? And just, you know, axle would be like, I'm going to take Albert outside to throw the tire to a little tiny, not a full-size tire, but a little plastic tire. And it was great. Yeah. It was, that was wonderful. Um, axle got in a little trouble with mom. Can I tell you what? Sure. Yeah, please. We watched dumb and dumb. And, um, axle thought it was so funny that he laughed so loud every time he laughed mom would go, oh, Jesus. So the boys came home and Alexi asked him how was the trip. And that's, of course, that's their headline.

4:05Is that mom got mad at axle. Not that mom got mad, but Ash was like, yeah, axle laughs too hard for punky hurry. And it is like, and it's so funny because mom would say like, well, that's just my whatever uh, my startle reflex, startle reflex. And I'm like, yeah, that's what laughter is too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, axles also, he's startled by how funny dumb and dumb it is. Yeah. By the way, dumb and dumb are is very funny. Oh, it's great. It's really. But I also knew our parents would be a little snobby about it. Yeah. Yeah. And the new mom would be down on it. Also the choices were that are Billy Madison and like halfway through she goes, what happened to the Billy Madison plant? I'm like, you wouldn't like to be a Madison. Yeah. Like, this wasn't either or yeah. It's so, uh, there are a lot of things, a lot of like, you know, cultural things that come out, TV shows, movies and they're very popular.

5:08And then mom watches them. She's like, I didn't like it at all. And I was like, yeah, you should have asked me. I would have told you. Yeah. Everything was not for you. That was for you. Everything's not for me. They did like, we also watched Happy Gilmore. They did like enjoy that. Okay. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they would have liked Billy Madison. But by the way, dumb and dumb are, I mean, here we're turning this into a movie rewatch podcast. But there's so many good jokes in dumb and dumb. I mean, there's so many dumb jokes. I knew they weren't going to like, you know, a diarrhea scene. Right. There's also some really, really well crafted jokes. Yeah. Um, yeah. Mom, mom really, she leans into action. She wants like, yeah, action flicks these days. And when I was home, Mackenzie was there too. And dad's like, hey, maybe, uh, maybe we should watch a movie tonight and mom just goes ice fall, ice fall. Yeah. I'm like, what are you talking about? Ice fall, it's Joel Kiniman.

6:09He's a 50 toughy boy. He's in the ice. Yeah. And we watch ice fall. It was like, I don't know where, but she, she read some headline in the Boston Globe that said ice fall was out. And she wanted to be one of the first watchers of it. And so yeah, we rock that. We watch one though. Normie? Again, the other great thing about mom and dad is they are, they still renew. Newspapers, they get three newspapers every day. Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe and New York Times. So it is just so many newspapers, piles of newspapers, and they actually read through the whole newspaper. Yeah. There's nothing that they miss in the world. No, they do like that news quiz. Yeah. At the end of the week, they make us administer for home. Mm-hmm. We have to read the news quiz to them. But if they see something, you know, again, they're like old school the way like criticism used to work in newspaper, which was like, this is a good thing.

7:09We watched this Bob Odenkirk. Now we got to look it up. What the thing was. Normal. Yeah. And again, it was what mommy would call, he said, yeah, Bob Odenkirk plays a toughy boy and he's got to fight off the bad things. This is how she would review it. If you get a newspaper that she's a journalist in, but it was great. It really was, I mean, it was hit in a way that really sort of surprised all of us. Like whose, and then the other really laughing and, yeah, do love Odenkirk. It's, yeah, it's really good. I mean, Bob's great, obviously, friend of the pod. The other thing that's really funny though is it is one of those shows, movies. The heroes are cornered often. You know, as good writing would make you leave, leave, leave. The mom was like, what are they going to do? Yeah. She was very, our running joke the whole time was like, I think they're screwed. Yeah, this is probably it. Turn it off. Yeah. And it is the time we were home and the time I was home.

8:10Again, nothing's better than being home when it's a hot red sock summer and it's currently a hot red sock summer. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really, it's a, it's a good old throwback to summers of our youth when, when the red socks are, are decent and that's kind of a nice, you know, two and a half hour chunk every evening. It's really great. Yeah. I will say there's a, I mean, to get very in the weeds on this right now, I switched them over to sort of televisions where they have one remote for each TV. You have multiple, they'd have to change the input. Yeah. And man, let me just, let me shout out Josh real quick. You remote also a printout, you print it out how the remote works. Yeah. So there's like a piece of paper. Yeah. Yeah. And I also, to both of them, I would say, how are you holding the remote? Let me see. Like it's, it's designed to be held in your right hand so that that right thumb can press the volume up, volume down because they would typically hold it in one hand and sort of

9:11come down on top of it. Yeah. By the way, they're not built for two hands. Yeah. But there has been a disagreement between Nesson, the New England sports network that has the Red Sox games and YouTube TV. And because of that, you have to get Nesson 360, which is its own sort of streaming thing, but you can't pause or record on Nesson 360. But this allows you to not record a game which to me is better because then you can go watch a movie or you can go watch a show and you come back and you just pick up the game in the sixth inning. You don't have to go to the third inning and like catch up what you missed. You missed and it is to me a gift. I, I, I, I second this 100%. Like dad was like, can you, can you pause the game? I'm like, sure, I can pause the game. And we watch a movie. And he's like, should we go to the beginning of the game? And I'm like, it's two two in the six.

10:12He's like, okay, right? Let's just do, let's just live our life now. Yeah. Also, yeah, because when those games are over, like I'm, I'm fighting to keep my eyes open so tight for the end of a baseball game. Not because I think baseball is boring because it and they end late and I'm ready for bed. Yeah. Yeah. How old, how old do we sound right now? I know. You bought them a new TV and I heard the first week you had the new TV a blue, a blue over and broke. Yeah. But now it's held, it's held by a wire. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm just going to say you have been doing like, you've been updating Mom and Dad's house in a way that's really noble. Yeah. I mean, next time I have, I have neither the aptitude or patience for this. And so I mostly just comes from place grace. I am so happy I wasn't there on the day you found out that the TV you'd set up had fallen, had blown over in the wind because it's on an outdoor porch, screen in porch. Yeah.

11:13It blew over and broke. Yeah. So that was a bummer. But yeah. Next time I go home, new washing machine, new fridge, it's all happening. Amazing. Yeah. Because that's maybe the worst fridge in the world. There. It's nuts. I can't explain why it's, it's the worst fridge and I can't believe what a bad fridge it is. Yeah. Yeah. You, it's, you basically have to like sit on the floor anytime you want to look in the refrigerator to try and find something. Yes. It's very low. Yeah. And also, I would say their fridge is 92% half filled jars of stuff. Yeah. It's a very jar forward, very jar forward. And there's no, it's not like, oh, all the like sauces are like, you know, jellies and spreadables, those are going to be on one section. Every anything can be anywhere. Yeah. There's no rhyme or reason to it. If you take it off the top shelf, you might as well put it back in the bottom shelf.

12:16So the person who put it in the top shelf will not be able to find it the next time they look for it. Yeah. It's a real, it's a real Frankenstein's fridge. It's a real like Igor go get where we need a ear. He's like, where the, like it's just jars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I feel like, do sorry, my mom and dad just apologized. I know the bird going in pretty hard here. There's a thing where like they get lunch meat or, you know, deli meats, deli cheeses. And like the bag gets low and they're like, I got to get more turkey. So they get more turkey. And then the lot, there's like a bag with two slices of turkey and they don't throw that one out. They just stack the new turkey on top. So that yeah, yeah. I'm just saying like if you're ever a mom and dad's house and you're like, oh, there's, oh, thank God, there's some salami at the bottom. Like don't eat that so long. But the boy's a axle eight more bacon in two days than I think is probably okay.

13:21Yeah. We do. I got him a new, a new like bacon cooker as well. Yeah. You're just a son of a year. You pointed out you're like, hey, is this plastic thing that's like bubbling? Should this, you think this is a good idea? Yeah. It was, it's, it's better. What you've done is better and I'm very happy to announce. I'm a silver medal for me. Oh, that's over. There you go. Silvering. Yeah, congrats. I'm very exciting conversation for everybody today. Yeah. We got Chris joining us. Yeah, he's got the, the, that was us rewatch podcast. I'm very popular. Just a, I mean, we talk about it right off the bat. A smooth, smooth voice that you could listen to. Smooth operator. Yeah. And some great stories and yeah, fun, fun childhood. Enjoy everybody. Love you, TV. Love you, baby.

14:33Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, man. All right. Oh, right. How are you? Good. How are you doing, Chris? Very well. Thank you. Very excited. Let's get moving. Sometimes voices are so smooth right off the jump that I just have to draw attention to it. Oh, just, let's just talk about it. I, I just feel like everybody right now, anybody right now is in a long car ride. They're like, oh, I'm in safe hands. I feel like it's better on a microphone. I feel like I'm more grating in person, but I have it. I've heard in person, it's very grating. They say the difference is jarring. It's more nasal, feels nasal. If you first hear Chris on a microphone, try everything you can not to meet him in person. Yeah. It's like talking to a grandmother in person. Yeah. Like a cartoonish thrill. Yeah. It's like very shrill and loud.

15:34Unwrapping hard candies. I got to give you a, before we get into this, Chris, I want to give you a quick shout out. I believe you were on it on the, that was us podcast. Our father came on for Operation Delta Dog, a charity that he cares deeply about. Yes. A lot of his retirement energy into. Yeah. You had an episode that dealt with some PTSD stuff and you guys were nice enough to let him come on and give his spiel. And I think it really helped the organization. And it's my father's always just looking to spread the word about this charity that sort of pairs mostly vets with dogs that are rescued out of shelters and just, yes, saves a lot of people's lives and makes life better for the dogs and certainly better for the vets. And you guys gave him a platform. So thank you so much for that. Yeah. Of course. I've been a huge fan of your podcast and we've had, we had Seth on in, on our podcast

16:35in early days and, and when we had the chance to have your dad on, we jumped at it because the four of you, your mom included our, an excellent, excellent team. Thank you. And my mom really appreciates anytime my dad can talk about Delta dogs when she's not within ears shot. Yes. Yeah. Not because she doesn't love the organization. I would say she's heard the spiel. Would you say that's accurate? Yeah, that's fair. Also very. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I cut you off there, but I am at home right now. I'm in my childhood bedroom. This is where the magic didn't happen. Yeah. We'll get them in there. Yeah. He's not, he's not here. They're out. They're walking the dog. They're walking the dog. There you go. Um, uh, so, uh, Sacramento, young crisis in Sacramento. That's correct. Group, uh, right there in the middle. Right there in the middle. And started, you started in Palm Desert in India, uh, famously sort of, uh, Coachella territory, but not really, uh, do you have memories from being out there?

17:36Back in, in the 1980s, the, the, the Coachella Valley was still the Wild West. You know, it was, it was a, it was a 127 degrees. The day I was born, you know, there was nothing, nothing out there. We lived in a, a little house with no central AC and, and my parents drove a VW bug with no AC and, and uh, it was, it was, it was literally the Wild West. My dad was a city planner for Palm Desert and he tells stories about, you know, meetings with handguns on tables and burnt out Cadillacs in the desert and, and all kinds of wild stuff. Um, so we moved, we moved up to Sacramento when I was, uh, six years old. All right. Yeah. And your brother is four years older than you or four years younger. Okay. Gotcha. So you, uh, six year old and a two year old moved to Sacramento and you have, do you remember feeling sad about leaving, uh, India or was it, uh, not of the age where you had a connection?

18:37No, I think, you know, before the age of reason, it was just a new adventure. Um, and, uh, and yeah, we, we, I don't even remember really having any, really, I remember having any friends or anything to be a brother. Yeah. Yeah. Just by blood, you have to, this has to be my friend and I'm going to. Yeah. There you go. Did you guys drive? Was that a, was that a move that you did in the car? Yeah. Yeah. I remember loading the, the giant, you know, big rig of a, of a, of a moving van and we drove whatever it is, the, the seven or eight hours of Sacramento. And, uh, yeah. And, uh, little gold river was your neighborhood subdivision? Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, you know, kind of, uh, it was a track housing, you know, we were one of four different models of how home they're on like the American river. So it was still, it was wild because it was, it was a little, uh, uh, pleasant

19:40village, but at the same time, we, they were developing near the American river. So our neighborhood was filled with like packs of wild turkey and rattlesnakes and jack rabbits and deer and, and, and, uh, so it was, it was an adventurous place to the land. And was there, was that an excite, like, was it exciting to see, uh, rattlesnakes as a kid? Yeah. It was a terrifying. Yeah. We had a, it was, it was, for us kids, it was exciting, which was a problem for the adults. Sure. And there was, there was a, there was a team of like two or three dads with, uh, garden tools who were like on call who were like the neighborhood rattlesnake, either removal or, or extermination. Whispers. Yes. I don't think they call them rattlesnake whisperers. Yeah, right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. They would, they would come with like panpipes and flutes and, and looting out, uh, like

20:41a tree. Just like an Irish fella who would like drive a man. Yeah. And then to the river and the river just washes him away. That's right. That's right. That's right. City planning seems like such a specific job. Did he, did he take a similar job, Sacramento? He took, he took a vice presidential role in a home building company, who was, who was also building like large scale tract homes. So yeah, he, he studied urban planning and development in college, uh, as did my brother. And so yeah, it was a step in the, in the more, um, residential. Did he, do you think they had a second kid? Because they were like, I think Chris isn't going to be into planning. Yeah. This kid is, this kid is too emotional. Yeah. Also, he just, he lined up his matchbox car. They're pointing every direction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can't get anything together. Have you seen this legos as a mess? We need somebody a little more, uh, level headed. And, uh, yeah. Oh my god. And they got it. All right.

21:41They got it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think, uh, I mean, I imagine if your dad got into that game as a, as a VP of that company in the 80s, there must be whole communities in the Sacramento area that he was sort of fairy, played a big role in playing. Could you go and be like, this is my dad. This is my dad. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's, they're all over California, actually. He was the, the home building company stretched from, from SoCal all the way to North Cal. And, uh, and so yeah, there are entire, I'd say about a dozen different cities that he used to, to visit growing up, um, to visit all of his communities. My, uh, my, my father-in-law's a home builder in New Mexico. Nice. Uh, so there's, I think there's, there's three roads that are named after his children, their middle names. And I remember, what a minute. Alexey driving me out. He like, look, there's, there's Lyndon Av or whatever. It's, you could do. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I don't think there's a lot of people named Lyndon, but, um, but it's funny,

22:42because she showed me as an adult, and I was like, all right. You know what I mean? But then we had kids, and I will say our kids think it's the coolest thing in the world. There is a street named after their mother. Now that I know this is a possible bit, my father's going to be the first phone call after I get off, and you'd be like, yeah, where's my street? I, we are, because by the way, Sullivan, like Chris, you can't have a Chris Street. That seems like somebody didn't even try. But Sullivan, come on. Yeah. What's your middle name? Is your middle name a good street name? Joseph Christopher, Christopher Street, Christopher Street. Yeah, Christopher Street. Also Sullivan Street is a, you know, I'll take a lane. I'll take a call to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Christopher snack. Yeah. What, uh, the American river, uh, was that something that you would play in? Was it so big? Did you forward that river? Was it like, hey, stay out of the river. This is dangerous. What's the, one of the first things they teach you when you move near the river is forwarding.

23:42Okay. One, one side to the other. A lot of river rafting, a lot of crawfish hunting. I was a boy scout growing up. So we spent a lot of time canoeing, kayaking, rafting, a lot of outdoor time. And yeah, the river was kind of central. And Fulsom Lake was kind of at the top of our section of the river. So Fulsom Lake was also kind of a draw. I don't know. I mean, I'm a very skittish parent and I don't know what I would be more afraid of. Kids like living in snake country or kids living by a river. Like did your parents, were your parents like safety conscious, like drilling into the head of you and your brother, like how dangerous your surroundings were or were they more like kids in the 80s, like go nuts. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't seem bothered. I'm not realizing I have a lot to talk to my parents about. They should have been more bothered. One, you should have been more bothers. Two. Two, where's my straightener?

24:46But you, I mean, you followed through, you're an eagle scout, correct? That's correct. That is correct. Yeah. What age is that? When does it culminate, Eagle Scout, like when you officially? You know, it's a race. It's a race to beat puberty is what it is because as you get older, you're like the more old, the older you get, you're like, boy scouts, huh? You're still a boy scout, right? And you have to kind of like beat, you have to beat your interest in girls to Eagle Scout. And so. Well, it's funny. One of my closest friends was in Eagle Scout and he not, you know, he didn't just beat it for himself. I do remember he beat it for his peer group. Like we went. It felt like what I believe a modern bar mitzvah is. It was a huge shindig when he got Eagle Scout. And you're right. Like six months later, we would have been like, ba-a-a-a-a-a. That's right. That's right. And luckily, you know, there's this troop in Sacramento, at least when I was growing up, that had really involved parents who were all very outdoorsy hunters, fishermen.

25:50Yes, right. There was even a husband and wife team that were professional survivalists. And so they kept us really interested. And we got to do really cool things, a lot of like rock climbing and like 50 mile backpack trips. And so there was a group of like four or five of us who all made it to Eagle Scout around the age of 16. And three of those guys went on to be like special forces in the military. Like they all took that kind of, you know, one of my best friends, Ryan, became a lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps. So like it is funny when you think about like what do you want out of your Marines? You don't want someone who like, you know, was smoking cigarettes at 14. You want to 14 year old? Yeah. It was like learning how to tie knots. Yeah. You don't want to just lay it up at wee-belos. Yeah. Oh, man. You don't want to ask. Yeah. You don't want to cut stuff. But it is funny like how often like a cool adult in order to reach that zenith had

26:50to be like kind of dorky at certain points in their youth in order to have the things that were important. Like again, you don't, you want to, if you're stuck, if you're playing goes down and you have to go in a survivalist mode, you want somebody who was like, I got all the badges. Well, you guys were, while you were snickering, we got all the badges. Yeah. Someone who was eventually flying helicopters at like a presidential level. Yeah. And his childhood has been a lot of time in a curtchef, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He gets to look cool now. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Quince. Hey, my name. H-u-p. You know those pieces in your closet you find yourself wearing on repeat, the sweater that goes to the everything, the perfect pair of pants or the T. You somehow always reach for first. Those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy. And that's what Quince does best. My brother-in-law does not use Quince. Tolia, posh. You know. And so every day, Rainer Shine, he wears an orange NASA hoodie.

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33:07I'm not near a chain restaurant that I have in my hometown, but I'm by a cafe that only those who live there and walk those cobbled streets are familiar with. And so when Alexia and I went to Paris on a vacation, we booked an apartment on Airbnb. What neighborhood were you in, Sufi? You were in the Marais, Poshy. Oh, the Marais. And if you haven't been to the Marais, I don't even know how to describe it to you. You know what they call it in Paris? What's that? La Marais. Ah. Or La Marais. You've been. You've been. I haven't, but I would love to. And let me just tell you that it's just wonderful. You know what I mean? You're just in a home that the owners have taken great care and attention to make comfortable for you on your vacation. And you're just amongst everyone, you're, you're, you're a me. That, it's friend, Poshy. Oh, you're a me. Yeah. Yes, me. Leisemy.

34:08Booking a trip on Airbnb makes for a better trip. You can be traveling with family. You can be looking to discover authentic and local experiences. You can be taking a trip with a group of friends. A group of a me. Hahaha. Two Leisemy. Here we go. Did you, as a family, did you take trips that used any of these skills? Were you sort of an outdoorsy family? Yeah. My, I would say my, my father is more outdoorsy than my mom, but my mom joined it. Like she, she, she's not an outdoorsy person per se, but she knew that we were and so she would do it. We went on a couple of camping trips, but I think kind of the biggest or the most kind of epic first family outdoor trip that we took was to Yosemite, which was about four hours away from Sacramento. And it was like entering Middle Earth as a, as a 12 year old, you know, it was like landing on another planet. If, and if, I think I've heard it's gotten a little over, over populated these days, but

35:12if, and if you haven't been to Yosemite, it's, it's worth the trip. So that's a 12 and an eight year old and you're both equally excited about Yosemite. Like was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, bikes hiking, running around in the rivers, all that stuff is great. Were you, were you camping? Were you intense for that? Yes. Yeah, we did. Well, car camping, you know, you pull right up to the, up to the spot and pitch your tent and cook all your food over. In one of those, there are those campgrounds sort of in, I think it's the valley of the giants is and it's like a, yes, upper pine, lower pine and not the preset up tents. We brought our own tent setups. Yeah, there's like, there's like three options at Yosemite. You can stay at the hotel or in like the canvas, nice, what would, I guess, be considered glamping, although it's, yeah, you're kind of things, they're not full yards, but they're yeah. Yeah, and then bring your own stuff and, and use the barebox type camping. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

36:12The barebox is, that's where you keep your food that the bear can't get in. Yeah. It's like a big hope chest for your hot dog ones. Fantastic. See you again. And this is the difference between Josh and I, the minute you say there's something called a barebox. I'm out. What, we, yeah, why don't we need a barebox? Yeah, is that a, is so everybody gets a free bear? Is there a bear in the house? Yeah. Yeah. So we don't have to worry because the bear is in the box. Yeah, you keep the, no, you keep your bears in the box. Right. Yeah, the themselves in a box, they lock it on the inside. Yeah. And then you ride them up the trails. Yeah, that's right. Um, were you, uh, at, at 12 and, 12 and eight, were you, uh, were you going on like big hikes, were you, uh, getting out of that valley? Yeah, we would, we would make it, make it up to the falls or, or, you know, not, nothing terribly long for, for, um, my brother, but, you know, I was, I was off most of the day by myself, you know, I'd take, I'd take the bike and my, my bike and put Pearl Jam on

37:18the headphones and, oh, yes. Just, just, just, just, just feel it, feel it all. It is. So again, you think about it like how cool, like again, when Pearl Jam's making those out, I'm so cool. And then like a lot of people are listening to him and while they're not doing cool shit. That's right. That's right. Is that how it works? When they're getting huge air on their, on their, on their traffic, you know, on the road. I remember, uh, when I was in high school and Pearl Jam was big, uh, I tried to get tickets to a Pearl Jam show just by calling ticket master over and over and over the sort of day they went on sale. And I told my like first girlfriend ever, I was like, Hey, I got tickets to Pearl Jam and she was like, you did? And I was like, what? And it was just like she didn't think I was cool enough to even get tickets. Oh, but you got through. You actually got through the ticket master. I think I do, but then I don't think we went. Yeah, I have no memory of you going to see Pearl Jam. I will say at that, at that age, it is impressive that you figured out like who to call, how to call, how to pay.

38:19Yeah. Well, I'm, yeah, but maybe I didn't, maybe I didn't get through it. Maybe I'm remembering it. It does, yeah. But I, I'm confident that my, my girlfriend at the time, uh, it was like, no, that's not. And I'm confident it's, it sounds like she was right. Yeah. Like the more you tell the story, you're like, and then she didn't believe in me. We're like, did you get tickets? You're like, I don't think so. I started with, she didn't believe in me. I bought a Pearl Jam CD. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. Um, but I couldn't play it on my tape deck. Did you, uh, were you and your brother close with a four year age gap? You know, it was just wide enough to be, um, combative at times. You know, we never were at the same school, uh, at the same time. Um, but yeah, that that window in the 12th to eight was where we were able to kind of cross over and, and be interested and, and capable. I think capabilities were, were similar. It is nice. I think when I watch my oldest and my youngest, which is three and a half, I think she loves

39:21obviously hanging out with an older sibling. And he kind of digs how he gets to be exponentially cooler than he is amongst his own age group. And so I, I guess I think 12 and eight might be the peak of that again. Yeah. A lot changes with puberty from what I hear. Yeah. Yeah. I've got, I've got a six year old and a three year old. So gotcha gotcha. Yeah. We're figure. Boys girls. What do you have? We have a six year old boy named bear, uh, and, uh, and, uh, three year old lady named EFA. EFA. It is EFA an Irish name. It is. It is. It's all vowels except for the F. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's not everybody. Sound off in the comments. How do you think it's spelled? Because based on all Irish spellings, it's not what you think. How is it? EFA spelled A O I F E. Oh, come on. Where did you, how did you, how did you land on that? Um, well, it was, it was, there was a lot of debate. I'll tell you that much. You had some extra money.

40:22No one's just like EFA. Yep. EFA. Yeah. It was a name. My, my wife and I took part of our honeymoon in Ireland. And it was a name that we heard. It's a historical queen of Ireland. And the name in Ireland is actually fairly common. It's almost like a Jennifer in, in Ireland. Right. It's, it's, and we went back and forth and back and forth and tried to, um, should we show it to our friends? How would you say this name? How, how would you pronounce this name? And certain people had heard it before. There's a cup. There's a, a wonderful musician named EFA O'Donovan, who some people had heard of. But the first time we took EFA out in public, she was born in October in December. My alma mater invited us to like a Christmas tree lighting ceremony at, uh, Loyal and Marymount and the Alumni Association made name tags for the whole family. And the lady who was handing out our name tags goes, uh, Chris and Rachel. And there's one for little bear and eight all.

41:27I mean, it's a beautiful name. And I think, I think, uh, uh, little, little aid off is going to learn my wife's face. She was holding her and just she just walked away. She's like, here's the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario for the guy with this name. But this woman, this woman thought what that someone was taking the name back. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're reclaiming it. We're reclaiming it. And we thought the best way to reclaim it would be given to a little girl. No girl. Yeah. I will say EFA when, cause at some point, you know, you're going to, I apologize in advance for this. You're going to get a little griefa. Um, but especially because you gave your son like a real, I mean, you gave your son the easiest to spell. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, yeah, you could have at least give him the Irish spelling of bear, which I'm sure has like no E or A or B. Yeah, or B. Yeah.

42:27But that is, it is very funny. Like, I like, bear an EFA is really, I mean, just like two different sets of parents came up with those. Yes. Yeah. Really fun. I liked that there was a, so there's a queen EFA, which is so in Ireland, correct? Yes. Yes. What do you think I think every time I hear queen EFA? Posh. Queen EFA. I just think queen Latifa, cause it's pretty. Oh, yeah. And you thought I would lock into that. I kind of did. But again, you already gave me a thumbs down for my grief, a joke. I might not be in sync today, Posh. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not. So other, did you have grandparents that were nearby or where were they? You know, I only ever met one grandparent. And she, she was nearby. But she never, she never really traveled with us. She was older by the time, by the time we were living in Sacramento. So yeah, the generationally speaking, generally,

43:30generationally speaking, the Irish don't tend to spread out too far. The generations tend to, tend to pass away a little sooner for somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what were other trips that you would take if they weren't, weren't, your somebody, weren't camping things? Would you guys go anywhere? We went, my, my mom grew up in Southern California. So we, we did our annual Disneyland trips. Almost every year we would go. There's a lot of them were really wonderful. There's still one that's kind of epic that I still, I love to talk about because I didn't understand it for a long time until I became a parent. They woke us up at four in the morning, getting the car. You go for the seven hour drive from Sacramento to Disneyland. By the time we got to Disneyland, my, my brother, we're such a problem that my mom is like, if you don't knock it off, I'm going to, we're going to pack up and go home.

44:30And of course, we didn't believe that. We literally pull our luggage into the, into the hotel room and we are so nuts bouncing off the walls, bouncing off the beds. We packed up the car and drove seven hours back to Sacramento. I couldn't believe it. I was like, it happened. Wow. I mean, by the way, I have so much respect for your parents because one thing and Josh will second this. We do not follow through on threats in the mind. It was the biggest follow through of all time. It's on because of the personal cost. Yeah, to them. Yes. No, I still can't believe it. Were you because I think one of the reasons we would not follow through on this threat is I think the capacity for certainly my middle axle to scream for seven hours is, is bottomless. But it seems to me that maybe they got you in absolute shock that it was happened.

45:32Not a peep for seven hours back home. The quietest, most uncomfortable car ride you can imagine. Now, do you think in, obviously, in the future, do you think this paid off? This is the part I want to hear. Do you think that the fact that you then knew 100% to pay it off? Just, oh my God, this is lesson learned. I know. I'm so impressed. I wish I could do it. Do you think there was a moment like maybe the first 15 minutes or half hour that you were like, this isn't worth this. They're just trying to get their situation. Yeah. Or do you think you knew right away? Like, oh, they, I think I knew right away. I think I do. And it was your mom, your mom was the hammer. Yeah, it was my mom is like, this is different. Oh, this is different. And is was she always sort of the disciplinarian?

46:32Yeah. Yeah, I mean, she was, she had taken a break from working to raise us. And so she was definitely the front line of those types of movements. Yeah. Right. They were rare, but I guess you only need the one. That's amazing. That's like burning your hand on the stove. It's like, yeah, I do once. And it's like, I got it. That's right. Yeah. The degree of burn. Do you recall like what exactly you and your brother were doing? Or you were just super excited and you just beat terrors? Yeah, like like WWE off the top rope, you know, one, one bed to the other, you know, just and and and there must, I mean, don't give me wrong. As every parent knows, what, what everybody else sees and remembers is the last moment. But they don't see all the little cracks along the way. Yeah. Everything looks irrational when you're like carrying your child over your shoulder at a park. Throw it. Yes.

47:32Looks like a kidnapping. Well, it looks like a kidnapping to other people. You're like, no, no, no. This is, this was a long time. Well, that's the thing about once you have kids, you're like, I see a dude like dragon a kid by the back of the shirt. I'm like, 100% asking for it. Yeah. Yeah. You watch like some 21 year old being like, you're not allowed to do that. I'm like, you shut up. Yeah. No, no. My drug business. All right. So now we'll let you get to other trips, but we have to sort of. No, one, I was as I was making my list of notes, which we appreciate. Yeah. Yes. Any other, any other future guests? I still to this day, I almost can't believe how great this trip was because it seems ill-conceived, but it was one of our greatest trips. My mom is really good at planning family trips. And, and this one seemed like a, like a misstep. But it worked. And we went as a family of four when I was 21.

48:38So that made my brother 18, 19 to Las Vegas. And at the time, I was like, well, that's not a place you go with your parents. That's, that's, that's, it's, it's a place to party and a place to, to, to do, whatever people do in Vegas. I don't know what people do in Vegas. I've heard that, that strange things happen in Vegas. And it turned out to be an incredible trip. Well, how old again? Were you sorry? I was like 21, 22, the age of like, I'm not going to Vegas with my parents. And, but they, they, they're paying for it and we're going to go and it's going to be a great thing. That's it. You know, we just did a, we did a live taping and somebody was like, what's the secret? Why, how did your parents get you to take vacations with them when you were adults and were like paid for it? Yeah. Maybe that's not good. It's not good. You can pick a place and they do a place and they pay for it and we would go because we were at that age, right?

49:38We were young actors and, you know, yeah. We stayed at the New York, New York, you know, and, and they offered my brother and I, they said, we were, we are going to give you $100 a day to gamble with, gamble with it. Don't gamble with it. Do what you want. And we were there for a week. We were there for seven days and we're like, this is okay. All right. And so every morning we'd wake up, we'd have breakfast. We'd go and as a family, we would find the $5 a hand blackjack tables and we would kind of take over the table and we'd play a little blackjack. And then we saw all the shows and we saw all the, we ate all the great food. And then my mom surprised us. A limousine picked us all up and took us to Las Vegas Motor Speedway where we all got to do eight laps in an open wheel indie racer. What? We happened to see that one of our, one of my favorite bands at the time, this Irish punk band named Flogging Molly was playing at the house of news. And so we went and saw them.

50:40My dad, my dad and I went and my brother went and saw them and like, I was like, oh, there's a lot of things going on during the day in Vegas. There's a lot of fun things to do. And yeah, we did it. We did it. Yeah. We had sort of both been to Vegas, you know, as young men and, and sort of done that. And then our parents were, we're coming out to Los Angeles to visit me. And I forget if you are already in LA at that point, Seth, just for the summer, maybe. But we ran into big car and we went out there and I like, I've never felt better in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. I, we would wake up, not hung over. Like they, yeah, that extra oxygen in. And it's like, so now like I haven't been drinking to a point of like wicked inebriation. And I just feel better. And we would go to a spa. We played golf. We would like sit at the pool and order food and like have lunch out there.

51:42We'd gamble a little. We'd see a show. And it's really like, oh, this, this is different. And this is lovely. Yeah. Yeah. There's so much going on. Yeah. Truly. Would when you got the $100 a day, would that be given an alump sum at the beginning of the week? Or was that every morning you would get every morning? Every that's how they, that's how they keep you around. Well, yeah. I mean, that's smart. That's good. Paul. So when you later as an actor, God, per diem, you're like, wow, this is like going to Vegas with your parents. It's a credit. It's just like, what are you talking about? Just like Vegas. Vancouver's great. Yeah. This is, if it, and were you like surprised, I mean, again, this is so much about, I mean, first of all, we, we, we know your mom, we've established she's the hammer. But now we see that she's also the velvet glove because, yeah. I mean, just taking such good care. Were you surprised your mom was like, I know your favorite band and I have booked this. Or were you surprised when your mom's like, we're going to race card laps.

52:45I was surprised that she picked Vegas. Like, I was like, everything after that was just more surprised. Yeah. Yeah. Vegas period was like, this is the choice, huh? I like, like, we had gone, we had taken a family trip a few years earlier when I graduated high school to Hawaii, which was a big, you know, the big trip of those couple of years. And there was always the trips were always well, so well planned that it I mean, I guess I'm not even realizing how well planned they are until, you know, I am now having to, I'm on the verge of, you know, there's no vacations, there's no vacations with a six year old and a three year old. There's only relocations. Yeah. That's right. Let's take off. Let's take all of this equipment and we'll move it over to this city. And it's a six, let's say, right, the success is just, it's not about any of the joy. It's just that you actually successfully executed. We've done it. We found a new, interesting place to eat snacks.

53:49Yeah. And, and so, yeah, just picking Vegas itself was kind of, I was like, wow, kind of punk rock. Nice mom. All right. And would, would you say that she, when it was over, padded herself on the back for what a rad should she'd made? Yeah. Yeah. And we did do, I think, I think it was like one of the first, maybe like adult moments where we looked at her parents like, you know, this was great. Yeah. This was really nice. Where were you living at the time? Were you away at school? Where was I living at the time? I think I might have been on tour. I, okay. So I, I, I might have been right before that. After, after college, I knocked around LA for a bit trying to, you know, be an actor and ended up only getting theater gigs, ironically enough. And then hit the road with a, a Broadway one-man show called Defending the Caveman.

54:50Sure. Yeah. That I toured on and off for four years that eventually landed me in, in Chicago where, so that we were wondering how you found your way to IEL. So it was with the game. Yeah. So after, after we did a few laps around the country playing like big theaters, like 2,500, 3,000 seat theaters and the, and the audiences started to get smaller and smaller. I ended up at doing sit-down run at a, at a theater called the Lake Shore Theater at Broadway and Belmont. I think it's a laugh factory now. And I did like a year long run in that like 300 seat theater. So a sit-down, a sit-down run is a touring show that, that basically parks somewhere. So yeah. Yeah. We, we parked it there for as long as we could sell tickets. And then by the end of that run, I was like, I'm not leaving. This is, I live here now. And yeah. That's fantastic. So Defending the Caveman had a real moment where I feel like that was, you know, a show whether or not you saw.

55:55Yeah. You know, it was, I don't know, it was like, it was like that book, Menor for Mars, right? Exactly. We were aware that it was right on the heels of that, that era, right? And it was, it was also at the end of the 80s comedy boom. Yeah. And the, the author Rob Becker kind of like, was, was a standup comedian in the 80s. And then as the boom was ending, he decided, well, right, these comedy clubs are closing. I'm going to write a show that I can do. And he would take it to comedy clubs and say, don't close. Let me do my show here. And he would keep, he kept, he kept a comedy club in Dallas open for like six months longer than, then it was supposed to be. And then they upgraded to a small theater in Chicago. And then it went to Broadway for however many years. And then he toured it around the country for another decade. And the man, I mean, God love him. The man owns 30 acres in Marin County. So it is for him. Yeah. So how many, when you, how many shows would you do in a year when you were touring with a show like that?

56:59I mean, I've performed it over a thousand times in the four years. Yeah. And was it, uh, and did you feel like you got to see the country by doing it in a way that was enjoyable or was it all work? This is the, is the, um, life being wasted on the youth. Yeah. I, you know, I, I've been to 35 states, you know, and, and I have, I did not see as much of those cities as I should have. I had all day. I had all. God. I'm a day. Yeah. And you knew the show. And I, yeah. And I was, you know, but I was 25, 26, 27 and was not, um, did not have the, the adventurous head on my shoulders that I should have. So there's a little bit of regret there. But now I'm, I'm more well. Did you, uh, I mean, I'm assuming you weren't getting a 30 acres of marine money. But was it a pretty good job for a young actor?

57:59You know, it was, it was, I got my PhD in stage time. Yeah. You know, I was like, I was on stage in front of big crowds, uh, memorizing, you know, an 85 page monologue. And so that muscle is strong. Uh, it paid more than I had ever been paid. And then when I got my first agent after that, and I told them how much I was getting paid, they, they almost had a hard attack and died. So let's just say I was, I thought I was making a lot of money. We weren't making that much money. There is a thing where I know this time was all of us, right? Where when, when people not in our business are like, wait, your agent gets 10% of your money. And the thing I was telling was like, I would accept 30% of what I get paid today if it wasn't for my agent. Like that, I would be just like you, like somebody be like, this is what we pay for defending the caveman. You're like fantastic. Yeah. Also that thing of like it's, it was so easy in my 20s for somebody to pay me more than I'd ever been paid.

59:05Yeah. More than the easiest delivery job number to hit. Yeah. And what if, what if there's free rent balls? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Great. And lunch. If you had to do an eight o'clock curtain tonight, how, how would you be? I'd make it three lines in. I, that's it. I, I, I wiped that hard drive. But I bet, I mean, if you, if you had an eight o'clock curtain a week from now, I bet you could get on it. I could get, I could get through some of it probably. Yeah. Probably. But yeah, it was, it was, it was excellent. An excellent performance training ground. Were you the only, at that point where they're multiple, defending the cavemen on tour? Are we, was it just you? Yeah, it was myself and one other actor. And then, and then after a couple of years, they brought on like three or four more guys to do these smaller runs, including my best friend, Isaac, who's, who's an actor in up in Portland, Oregon. And, and yeah, we would all bounce around the country.

1:00:07And I would help train them. And it was, but landing in Chicago was, was the best. I mean, that's where I got my first agent. That's where I jumped in into IO and, and got some of the best acting classes of my life. And who's your era of IO? Who do we know? So I was, my teachers were, you know, Susan Messing, Joe Bill. Yeah. Jimmy Carain. And then on stage at the time, Vanessa Bayer was there, Paul Britton. I was, I was coming up in classes with John Baron-Holtz. Oh, yeah, Johnny. The, the funny Baron-Holtz. Yeah. Such a shame when it happens like that where one of them gets all the chops. Yeah, the one just needs some Thomas Middleditch. We're, we're, we're, we're around then. Yeah, and we were all, we were all just watching TJ and Dave.

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1:05:27I saw an action when you picked up dinner last time I was in L.A. for your birthday. Well, you didn't have your wallet or your phone. Oh, my phone is in my pocket. But you love your AppleCard, right? Yes, because with AppleCard, I can spend, track my purchases, and earn up to 3% daily cashback when I use AppleCard with Apple Pay. No fuss. In that titanium card, always a conversation starter. It's sleek, smart, and seriously useful. With the titanium card, I still earn daily cashback wherever Apple Pay isn't accepted. You know, for when I'm on the roads, less traveled. Applying the wallet app on your iPhone today. Subject to credit approval, AppleCard is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City Branch, Terms, and more at AppleCard.com. In partnership with Airbnb, I'd like to share a travel story. Oh, yeah, go for it, Sufi. You know what I like, Pashi? What's up? I like a neighborhood. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? I like to feel like I'm traveling and I'm amongst the locals.

1:06:28I'm not near a chain restaurant that I have in my hometown, but I'm by a cafe. That only those who live there and walk those cobbled streets are familiar with. And so when Alexi and I went to Paris on vacation, we booked an apartment on Airbnb. What neighborhood were you in, Sufi? We were in the Marais, Pashi. Oh, the Marais. And if you haven't been to the Marais, I don't even know how to describe it to you. You know what they call it in Paris? What's that? La Marais. Ah, la Marais. You've been. You've been. I haven't, but I would love to. And let me just tell you that it's just wonderful. You know what I mean? You're just in a home that the owners have taken great care and attention to make comfortable for you on your vacation. And you're just amongst everyone. You're a me. That's friend, Pashi. Oh, you're a me. Yes, I am.

1:07:28Les me. Booking a trip on Airbnb makes for a better trip. You can be traveling with family. You can be looking to discover authentic and local experiences. You can be taking a trip with a group of friends. A group of a me. Two Les me. What can you tell us about that Hawaii trip? Anything stand out? That was one of those. So Hawaii on the Big Island has one of the biggest hotels in the world. And it was one of those vacations where everything was included. And we were a little older. And so we could wander around. And I, you know, I would sleep. I think I stayed of the week where there I stayed like two nights in the hotel room. I would go, I would get at these hammocks out on the. Okay, I thought you were just like meeting local. No, listen. And I would just.

1:08:29No, no, no, you got to remember I'm an eagle scout. So I was hammaking. I literally would sleep out on the beach. And I might have fallen in love a little bit with, you know, they had the T-H club there. You know, you get the. And would you. So would you be separate from your family for a lot of the day and then maybe come together? Yeah, my brother would go and get in trouble and then run back and have meal. We'd have meals together. And there was a snorke. You know, we went snorkeling. They had. They had, you know, looking back now, it's like one of these hotels that has a little tiny lagoon in the middle with a couple of dolphins. Or just like. Oh, yeah. Or just like how the. We end up here. Yeah. Of all the places. It's their way out. Yeah. The ocean is right there. Yeah. It's right there. But yeah, it was. It was. It was the first place I ever. It was. Even growing up in California.

1:09:30I was. Listen, I'm Irish. We're not fun in the sun type type people. It takes a lot of. Yeah. Everyone else in my family gets real tan and I'm. Yeah. Get ready. I mean, if you if you're watching this podcast right now, you and I look sunburned just on the podcast. We're in sunburn. Yeah. I'm not sunburned. And I look sunburned. We're already sunburned. Where's I'm just like glowing. Yeah. Yeah. Really. I'm golden. The golden light coming from the center square. I learned surfing for the first time, you know, which was. How are you? You know what? I was 19. I was at the peak of my physical form, right? I was a competitive tennis player growing up. So I had a lot of upper body strength. Still the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I was not good at it. And it was the most exhausting 30 minutes of my life. I watched my wife as a late life. I would just started to learn how to surf and we've gone on vacations where I will watch

1:10:31her surf and I enjoy watching it. But it's just like, I don't know. What is it when they say the the juices and worth the squeeze? Like it's so much time swimming out for like ultimately what is a very short wave part of it. Whereas when you mentioned tennis, I'm like tennis. I told like I've started playing tennis. I love that because it's like you can just play you play for an hour. So like, oh, let's go play tennis. How do you do it? Well, you got to climb up that mountain. And then you got hope that some tennis balls come and don't die. Whatever you got. Exactly. Yeah. No enduring tennis is like just that way. I there's a there's a strong undernet today. Yeah. Don't get too close to the net. It'll suck you in. And then you're going to die in that net. Yeah. We'll have to get the tennis coach to come get you. I pull you out. So did you was that was it a pretty short time in your life that you were surfing? Oh, by the way, it's my daughter. She's going to say hi real quick. Oh, yeah, I can't talk. You just have to say hi. Hi.

1:11:32Hi. You want to look in the camera? I only see you. I'm going to say hi real quick to her uncle. And this is my friend. Yeah, great. Hi, Percy. Hi, Adi. How are you? What? Hey, Adi. This is our friend Chris. You want to say hi to Chris? How are you? What are you doing today? You went biking the other day, but what happened? I felt old. I felt old. Was it a nice sunny day when you went biking? No. What kind of day was it? Rainy. Oh, no. And what happened when it started to rain? I felt old. Yeah. Oh, no. You seem fine. You don't look too dinged up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ready to get back on the bike. All right. Goodbye. Thank you. Bye, bye, booby. Bye, bye. Nice stop, bye. Bye, Percy. Is that by honey? So, poshie, sufi. Am I booby? You're booby now. I think booby could just be anyone in general. If you want to be booby, you can. Yeah, I would love to have a booby in the house. Just have a booby.

1:12:33It's spelled B-A-I-O-E-A-I-O. Yeah. E-E-A-I-O. Yeah. She's sufi. And booby in the morning. Hey, booby, how was your weekend? Yeah. But did you surf anymore? Was that it? That was it, bud. Yeah. That was not. You know what? I was like, I'll stick to the land. Yeah. Yeah. Smart. Hey, that was, I was. You're really about the world in land, man. Yeah. It's for as big as big, I mean, I'm six foot four. I was a big kid. Everybody tried to get me into every sport. And I played one day of football. And it was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely not. How, uh, wait, but you were a good tennis player? Yeah, I was. I was, I was a, I was a ranked junior player through. And then I went to Loyal and Mary Mountain, played on scholarship for a year, um, and then realized that, uh, being a professional tennis player

1:13:33was about as, um, about as wise as becoming a professional actor. So. Yeah. It does, by the way, it does seem like the solitary life of, uh, of a professional tennis player is probably very in line with doing, uh, defending the caveman on twos. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. I mean, I picked up the tennis version of acting. Me and the audience just hit in the ball back and forth, you know? But you only, you are the only one with the winners on the game. Yeah, that could, you know, just smash in the winner. That's right. One ace after another. Uh, and your kids, uh, uh, do they, I mean, we talked about basically again, you're not on vacations right now. You just move your kids to the places. But, uh, are they, do they travel okay? We're getting there. We just took, we just took our first trip that was like, you know, it was easy when there were babies. We can move, you know, you can move them around and they don't care where they are. And everything's fine. Um, but now, you know, we just took our first trip for Bears birthday, um,

1:14:34that felt maybe like the first real family trip. If I, if I can name the podcast, um, we, we did a day at, uh, Lego land for his birthday. Ooh, how was it? You know, it's all right, Seth. Which Lego land is it? I feel like there's multiple Lego lands. The one, the one in Southern California in Colorado. Yeah. Um, it's wonderful. It is, it is, Lego land is part carnival, part county fair, part amusement park, and, and all legos all the time. Which is great. He loves it. I bet there's a healthy dose of capitalism in there. Yes, all over the room. You wouldn't believe it. You couldn't believe it. Um, and, uh, and then we, we moved, we moved the wagon down the road and we did a day at the San Diego Zoo, which, oh, great.

1:15:35Oh, nice. You know, bounced him around to a bunch of hotels and they did well and it was nice and, uh, they enjoyed their snacks everywhere we went. It's just about the snacks. Yeah. But up until then, it was, I was like every, every time we moved them, I'm like, never again. This, this is a new kind of hell. Like every trip. I always, I always, I mean, I've told the stories some of these times, but we went to, uh, when the kids were like young, we took them to Miami direct flight from New York and I said, do a Lexi, I'm like, this is it. Like, I think we should just until they get older, we should never go farther than this. And then the next year she said, uh, I want to go to Uruguay. Which is Miami layover and then like 12 hour flight and then 12 hours. Yeah. But then when you get there, it's, uh, same weather as Miami. So, uh, with let with worse room service, um, but for cool trees, cool trees. Yes. Yeah. Why hold on, hold on, hold on. Why, why you're a guy?

1:16:36I don't know. We had, um, he's not in a charge. We're not, we don't, we don't communicate great. So I still don't quite know why we was. It was, I, I'm selling short. I actually would say of, uh, of places I've been in the last 10 years. Most fact, I've been, um, I just wish our kids had been a little older. That's, yeah. Better than the great canyon. Oh, yeah, dude. Come on. Okay. I mean, so, um, I mean, uh, Lego land, great American river on a after a flood. Full of snakes on snake day at the great American river. What's it called? What's it called? American river. American river. Yeah. It's the great American snake day. Yeah. Great American snake day at the river. Head on down to the river for the great American snake day. You guys stick your hand in the water and come out with a snake. You get a snake and you get a snake. Um, this is, uh, uh, have you enjoyed being a podcast host yourself?

1:17:36Yes. Yeah. I know. I, yeah. We, um, we share producers, which is lovely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Um, and it's definitely been a new muscle. You know, the art, the art of, you know, what you do, uh, the art of conversation, the art of keeping the conversation going, the, uh, the art of appearing interested, um, is. Josh, Josh really has to work that muscle with me. Um, just with you and out of our guests. It's a, uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You, you fancy yourself a social person, you know, and then, and then you're like, oh, this is a different thing. This is a different thing. Yeah. And it needs to be treated differently. Um, yeah. But yeah, we've really enjoyed it. And, you know, uh, Mandy and, and Sterling and I just kind of didn't want our show to end, you know, when this is us ended, it ended, it ended prematurely by the network standards.

1:18:41They would have taken us for, for a few more seasons. Uh, yeah. By the way, the rarest of outcomes in modern television is that, yeah. You know, you know, yeah, and the way around where you've got a, you got one or two more stories to tell on the networks like, work good. Yeah. So it worked out. And, and Dan and, and they had, they had such a nice ending planned for, for the show. And it went just as planned. And, but we weren't ready for it to end either. And so we, we, when we started the rewatch podcast, um, called that was us. Please like and subscribe. Uh, it was just a chance to hang out. It was a chance for us to see each other. It's, you know, I tell you, it's the best. That's the, the secret, a delicious part of doing these, uh, is that we're just getting to hang out. Yeah. Cause you guys are like, coast, right? We are. We're opposite coast, but we're making the most of, uh, over our time together virtually. Um, yeah. This is so lovely, Chris. And, uh, and now Josh is going to hit you with our speed round questions. Great. All right.

1:19:41Here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous or educational? I'll go adventurous. Uh, what is your favorite means of transportation? Car. Great. Uh, if you could take a vacation with any family alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? You know, I made a lot of notes for the podcast and I, I listened to the podcast a lot. And so I even knew this question was coming and I didn't, uh, yeah, I didn't postulate an answer for this one. But I will say, I will say, I will say Taylor Taylor Goldsmith and Mandy Moore. All right. We, we vacation well together and, and, uh, I would definitely do that. Excellent. Uh, if you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? Uh, I will say, I would say my son bear. Great. Great. Uh, what is your dream destination for a family vacation?

1:20:44We have been trying to go to Japan. Yeah. For a long time. My wife and I before we had kids and, and, and we've had two fully planned trips to Tokyo. My best friend from high school lives there has lived there for a decade. And the last one that we planned was foiled, um, uh, by something called COVID-19. We got that too. RS was, uh, foiled that in. Yeah. And, and so my, ironically, I didn't, I didn't think that it would be a great place to take kids, but our kids for some reason won't eat a chicken nugget, but they love a raw piece of yellow tail. And so it's a very expensive, uh, thing to like, uh, but I think you gotta go on vacation somewhere where that's the chicken nugget, where that's price. Yeah. Yeah. I will take a dozen, uh, nugs. Um, and so, yeah, so that's, I think that's where, where we would like to go.

1:21:46Maybe in a couple more years when they're a little more communicative and a little less gets affront, but yeah. And when they might remember it. Uh, yes. Yeah. And so, um, I think that's the, uh, the, the memories are, are gonna be a thing, yeah. Um, you are from your hometown at Sacramento. If you had to get more families to come visit Sacramento, what would you say about that city? I would say that Sacramento is on the way to a lot of cool places. All right. So, it's, it's a, if, if you're, if you're headed to San Francisco from the east, stop in, stay a night or two. You know, check out Sutter's Fort. There's, you know, there's some historical things that are really cool about Sacramento. Obviously, the gold rush started in Sacramento. It's Sutter's Fort, um, as every fourth grader in Sacramento knows on your field trip to Sutter's Fort. Um, so yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of cool history there. By your way, to your vacation. To your, to your chosen destination. Yeah.

1:22:47Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seth has our final questions. Uh, well, it's clear from how Chris discussed it earlier. He knows the Grand Canyon is dog shit, but I'll ask anyway, have you been to the Grand Canyon? I haven't. I, I was, I was setting you up for you. Do you want to go? Uh, yes, I, yes, I was. I mean, he's an eagle scout, an eagle scout got to go to the Grand Canyon. What's the point of being an eagle scout if you don't go to the Grand Canyon? That's right. There's a, there's a portion of the Grand Canyon. I'll tell you this, my friends went, my friend went on a six day rafting trip down the the Grand Canyon with his mom. And again, it was one of these trips where he was like, this is a gamble. This is a roll, the, roll of the dice. We're going to get on a raft for six days. And he, and he said it was great. Seth, he said that, that sent rafts ahead and they would set up your camp for you and they would cook for you. And he goes, and even as a flex on like the fifth day, they whipped out ice cream.

1:23:47So I think if I was going to see the Grand Canyon, that's how I'd like to see it. All right. Yeah, that works. Thank you so much, Chris. This was delightful talking to you. That was us. God's podcast was sterling in Mandy. All good people. It's good people podcast. I'm a big fan of you guys. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thanks, hard pleasure. Great to meet you. Have a good day. Love to bear. Love to, and EFA, come on. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was worried I was going to say her. And also, yeah, say how to eat off while you're at. Yeah. Whichever one you choose, whichever one you choose, you know, to be that one. It's up to you. It's your daughter. It's your daughter. Yeah. I think you're going to have a going.

1:25:27For cubes began to sprout in any case. You under a race became an eagle scout. You said he was heavenly, a great trip with a fam. He'd go where he'd like, rip it on his bike. Last in music, by ProJem. Scott woke up at 4 a.m. to drive to Disneyland. Chris and his crew became unhinged a couple of wild manned. Their mother had had quite enough said you boys must calm down. Or else although we've just arrived, we'll turn right back around. After us fell in the hotel, boys jump in bed to bed.

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