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3:0330th and max Hank, the O and three boys in the baseball playoffs, the O and three boys. We got absolutely dominated every which way a blown blown save for max and the Phillies, the Cubs got their shit kicked in and Ben Rice but fuck to you Hank. Is that sum it up? Yeah, the butt fucking I wasn't I wasn't ready to go that far yet. I just want to say it kind of an indictment of Dave Portinoi that we've got Schlitler and Ben Rice both growing up as Yankees fans. Yeah, that part doesn't make sense but it does it does hurt that it's like and I like Ben Rice a lot. He's he's from my neck of the woods in Massachusetts. He carried me to the the Dingers only championship this year. He was like it is two guys two guys from Massachusetts that were just shoving it down our throws the entire night and like Ben Rice is he's beefed up a lot. He was

4:08one year incredible. To me both them were Schlitler had 10 K six innings pitched zero runs. He was just like a true he might be host potentially. He's probably got to get in a little weight but like to just show up and show like that. Manolytics like a hundred hundred 19 pitches in in in 2026 is is that is and then some and then Ben Rice unfortunately Ben Rice was was you four for five with six RBI's just absolutely dominated. Are the New York Yankees better without Aaron Judge. I think so. I mean Ben Rice has got his pin stripes faster than Aaron Judge did. I mean I think this has been right says it's a second set of pin stripes right he got him last year. Yeah, I think so but he he doubled up. He just renews him every year. I don't know if he got him last year because I don't know they they lost in the second. I think I saw a stat that he has just as many hits in this post season as he did in last post. So this is his pin stripe here. Yeah.

5:09Hank, how are you feeling overall? I don't know. I have to fact check that but I'm fact check that back. I'm aware fact check that Hank how are you feeling overall that was a non competitive game. Yeah, I say the least they took Roman Anthony out for seemingly like he's he got hurt which is a bad sign back against the wall. Feel feels bad. Well, all right. So let's debate this embrace debate who who had the worst loss because the red socks were at least it was still a game what until like the eighth or something when it when it got blown open. The Cubs. The Cubs guys are for nothing. The Cubs got shit on immediately for an auto Tattis hit the first ball out of the park. PCA almost got a ego by the way. I stand up most electric most electric crowd of the day by far like far and away. You can buy the other three games and the crowd was better in San Diego. Max couldn't have been more terrible. Yeah, it was a bad thing. I also can't be more around. I also can't

6:14be real home field advantage games over the past few years in San Diego. And when they started out like when Tattis was at the first pitch of the entire game. First pitch of the game was they were obviously bottom of the first. But yes, for the Padres. Yes, first pitch for the Padres and just absolutely walloped it. That that is a moment where you're like this is going to be one of those nights. I said right away. I was like it is just simply too loud in San Diego. I needed to be a little quieter because it just I was getting intimidated from from sitting on my couch. I was intimidated San Diego was electric. And yeah, the Cubs, I mean, they they absolutely sucked today. Almost got no hit. I texted Max in the fifth. I was like, you know what's what's going on right now because I was just thinking and the game got so out of hand that they weren't going to bring in like their their best pitchers. But when it was like four nothing in a no hitter. And the and the Padres unbelievable bullpen was going to maybe come in the seventh eighth and ninth. I was just staring

7:15and combine no hitter right in the face. And Max was like, I know what's happening. I know what's happening. We're all thinking about it. I tweeted out though that I think this wouldn't count as a post. He's no hitter because the wild cards not really post season. Yeah. All right. So the Cubs will get to fill these the Cubs. That was just a sad sad display. I think this team probably is dead. We don't have pitching knew that going in Matthew Boyd is we have we have a we have an entire rotation full of like fours and fives. And our our other two pictures. Well, Gossman got hurt. I don't know if he's on the roster. So he's not hurt. I would have rather started him Peterson and and Holmes started on Friday because you were still trying to get a home playoffs series. So that would have been short rest. So it's like, all right, Matthew Boyd, he did well against the Padres last year. He's his velocity has been up. He's been better, but he was just throwing meatballs. But the thing that just sucks is the Cubs. And I get it. Like they have not been good

8:16as a hitting team in the last like month. They just cooled down. And the Padres have gotten red hot like the best hitting team in baseball the last month. But I knew that the Cubs pitching suck going into this series. Their defense is elite. Their hitting is elite to have no hitting is like what that's the part that drives you insane. Cause like I knew that the Cubs have to win softball games like we don't have a bullpen. We don't have starting pitching. You got to just do it by by being dogs at the plate. Non competitive at bats garbage at bats. And to lose that way, when you know going in, it's like, Hey, if we lose because our pitching sucks, we knew that all long. We knew that all season. It's not a surprise whether it be injuries or mismanagement. You knew the pitching sucked to lose and have just no chance to the plate. That's what drives you insane. And I guess to bring it full circle max because Hank and I lost in similar ways, would you rather lose like this? You had the best loss. The Cubs had the best loss. They were I don't know, man. This is this is actually like a joke. Like this was like an embarrassment

9:19in a joke. But it's such an easy. I agree with the cap because Big Hit also had to stay up late and sit all day through the other games. No. But like it was over. The game started at nine and the game was over by nine 30. Yeah, but you know that like I was I was sitting there like in the fourth inning when it was three nothing four nothing. I was like, Oh, he's a bass runner. Like, we got a chance. I didn't say in my head that it was over over until it was, you know, seven eight nothing. Like I still stupidly thought it was we could have a chance. I think it's Max and it's not even close. No, to me, it's Hank. It is not even close. No. Hank, you lost to the Yankees. Yeah, I mean, Max had the most gut wrenching. That's not even close. That part is not even close. Or the gut wrenching. Yeah, that way that way of losing sucks, but Hank, your red sucks lost to the Yankees and the playoffs. Yeah, but it's about we're talking about how you lost. But here's the thing, Max, and you could talk to talk to you about the Phillies game was going through your head. You still have your ace and they use their

10:20ace. Correct. But we also use our only like we use our only high leverage pitcher for 30 pitches yet. Yeah, that sucks. And he was blue it. That sucks. And like he blew it against the guy who is statistically one of the worst hitters in baseball this year. He hasn't given up an opposite field home run to a right handed batter since 2023. That was the last time he gave up an opposite field home or to a right handed batter. And the game, Michael Harris hits the biggest fucking piece of shit hit up the middle that I mean, people are blaming trade turner. I don't blame trade turner. It's just the way fucking baseball goes. And it just sucks. We were four outs away to just being in the driver seat to go into the next round completely changing the vibes and momentum of this team. And then Bryce Harper himself after the game just goes, yeah, that was a dagger. It's hard to come back from your best player looking at the game and being like, yeah, that was a dagger. Like it's so

11:23easy for you guys to just turn the page be like, all right, that game sucked. We're onto the next, we're on the next. You can't it's so much harder to turn a page in that game. And they looked so much better in that game than they have in the past month. They were fighting. They were giving great at bats. Lozardo pitched his balls off. He had him pitched in two weeks. He came out. We expected three innings. He gave us five. He gave us 70 pitches. And it's just one swing. One bad pitch. Fuck's up the whole thing. Fuck's up the whole season. Fuck's up all of these guys, the prime of their career. They're probably not going to play next year. By the time the year the next year, they're going to be old men. One swing. You convinced me. Yeah, I mean, I turned the page already. Like the game's still going on. He's just struck out again. I've turned the page. Max, when you were watching, we have our ace going up against and their ace has done BFT. So it's like we can we can tie us thing up tomorrow. And then it's and then it's game three. Anything can happen. Yeah, there's a lot of different ways of looking at it. Like like in terms of who had the most

12:26heartbreaking loss. Absolutely. Max who has the most reason to believe probably Hank, big cat your loss suck because you have to stay all day. Like just watching other baseball games waiting for years. And then it was over on the first swing. And the Padres didn't even use their high leverage bullpen. So it's they're going to be like ready to go. So it sucks bad bad baseball day for part of my take bad baseball day. I mean, the fact that comes again, they don't have pitching. So it's like we don't have it's it's not like, oh, but we guess what we got our ace coming up. We got our our our our fifth four coming up. Watch out. It's going to be great. Max, I get a question for you. Two questions actually. First is I was watching some of the stream. On the part of my take you to by the way, we you're going to do it again tomorrow, right? Right. Same spot, same corner, Zach, Zach has got to be there too. Maybe maybe don't do the iPad because you're just lost in a heartbreaking way. No, yeah, the iPad's done. Now I can now I'll

13:30now I'll take one of those screens. Okay. All right. So I'm watching on the iPad. Well, I'm going to stream the Cubs game at nine o'clock there. Everyone continuing as well. But Max, I was watching you went silent. Usually there's rage. Was that it was out of a choice that you made before the game because it was just pure silence and it was very funny because Zach said, do you do you want to talk about it? And you're like, no, not right now. What what happened there? I had nothing to say. I had nothing to say. It was the vibes were so high and it was just such a shocking shocking, but not shocking at the same time. It was just it was just a speechless speechless moment where the ball, I the ball leaves his hand. I'm like, oh my god, that's middle middle. The ball hits his bat and I'm like, oh my god, there's no way it actually goes there. He's going to catch it, right? He's going to catch it, right? And it just kept caring and caring and caring to just enough to get over that fence. And I was like, I just can't believe that just

14:32happened. I just can't believe you go on to Ron. Just gave up that Homer. I just can't believe that just happened. I can't like the only thing that was going through my head is I can't believe that just happened. I can't believe that just happened. No tears, but it was it was just it was truly, truly, truly a speechless situation that I had. There was nothing that there was nothing I could do. There was nothing I could do. And then the shadows came up for the bottom half of the inning. And I mean, the shadows were honestly there for Austin Riley swing too, which was made it even more impressive. But you just know that you had no shot. You just know you had no shot. And now somehow they got to pick themselves themselves off the mat. And Chris St. says it's got a pitch of fucking gem tomorrow because it's the only way. Yeah. How would you how would you discuss your departure from basketball sports this afternoon? Oh, is it bad? I don't know. There's a little bit of a storm out. A little bit of a worry. Maca Roy parking lot. That's not sure. I left. Rain cloud rain.

15:33I went home. It's normal thing. No, you ran out the side entrance, went directly into your car. I've never seen a car drive off faster than you did. I heard you were carrying your sweatshirt and it was just dragging on the ground as you were walking your car. And it colds. It's so fucking quick. The game was over and I left. My work day was over and I went home. That's it's literally that's what the that's what 99% of the American population does. Yeah, it's completely regular departure from work. All right. Yeah, I left. Here's the other thing. And we're going to talk. So so we recorded the whole rest of the show in studio. We're going to talk bears. Monet football. We have Steve. We're Stanford Steve. We have Case Kingdom. I did see a guy named Brennan dig posted this on Twitter that he said inspired by Reddit thread. I gathered some stats on how Vic Fangio's defense is from 2023 to the present day have fared from before

16:36the Phillies were eliminated from the playoffs to after. So essentially, Vic's Fangio is like Kyler Murray with Call of Duty, except it's the Phillies for Vic Fangio. And he did the stats and before the Phillies have been eliminated, EPA per drive. They're the 28th worst defense or 28th defense yards per play. The 21st success rate. They're the 17th after they've been eliminated. They're the fourth best on the EPA drive. Third best on yards per play. Fourth best on success rate. So the Phillies being in the playoffs is making the Eagles bad. Yeah, I mean, we talked about it off the show today. It's I guess it's a problem, but it's so hard to go off of both of these losses the past two days and be like right now I'm so mad about the Phillies that I can't care about that Eagles loss. Yeah, oh wow. Like it's going to be hard because you're in about five minutes, you're going to

17:40hear me be really mad about the Eagles lost. Yeah, but but the way that the time has happened since we have recorded that to where we are at right now. I don't know. I don't know. My brain has been in a pretzel since Saturday. You did have a Fleming tweet which made Gimmi Chocolat. You know that that that that that week to Fleming your tweet after the game, right? Sports are dumb. No, just humiliation every day. It will never end. Oh, well, that's been humiliation every day. I know. Just just the past two days. It will never Saturday was also a humiliation day. That was humiliation days. Well, I had one I've had three out of the past four days of humiliation days. No, it was great. LeBron Media Day. Shut up. It will never end. Oh, Zach's here. Zach, you joined us.

18:42No, this is Mike's not where he has him. He's not joined us. No, wait, does Zach have, I think Zach has the Apple earbuds in and then he has those with the headphones over top of him. Yeah. So he's got two likes that aren't working right now. Five Mike. This is tech. This is some good tech right here. It's bad. That was bad. That was bad. You're going to see. Yeah, when we get back in the studio, it's like a different show because I was riding high off the bears on Monday night. But this is the powders are going to keep scoring. And baseball. You go ahead, PFT. I got one last question about Vic Fangio. Do you think that Vic Fangio would be better at coaching off of Philly's wins? Like does he give himself victory Monday? Like, you know, a little time to celebrate the wins. Or do you think he'd be better off of the loss because he's pissed off and he's not sleeping. I'm sorry. This is a complete, I I'd call and just sent the video of me of me leaving the park line. Yeah. This is a

19:46more. You could have asked everywhere, dude. There's a you always ran over a little girl. You check both sides of the street before you cross. I don't know. That's just me. I'm going to have Max is not in more than a completely normal exit. I was I was hoping that he was storming out and he was peeling out. It was a completely normal exit. It feels dirty even watching that video because it's like why does someone even take a video of you just walking out of the office? This entire time, by the way, Zach is just trying to get his mic to work and it's not working. No. Baseball so dumb. Baseball so dumb. I love watching baseball, but it's like you invest so much time in a season and you hope like I talk my I knew that comes had major major flaws going into this postseason. Just like you knew the the Phillies had major flaws. Max, but then when the playoffs you talk yourself into it and you say, hey, like it's going to be like the best version of ourselves

20:48are going to show up. The best the offense that comes had for the majority of the year where they're really, really good. It's going to show up. The defense gets show up. They're we're going to get the best version of the pitching and none of it happened. None of it. Just absolute disaster. It's just you get to the postseason. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like there's so many things that you go back and you second look and like in the moment, I'm so fucking mad about the go on, DeRon, good coming in the seventh inning when he hasn't done it ever. And then he goes and he has five perfect, perfect outs. And then he just can't get the last one and I get mad at him. And then a couple a little bit of time goes past him. Like I'm not actually mad at him, but I am mad at him in the moment. I just need to blame somebody. But it's just so frustrating. It's so frustrating. It's just one moment and it just and you can do everything right for 99% of the time. And then it's just one moment and you're fucked. And it's so fucking frustrating. And Zach cannot, he just left.

21:48That just left again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's on the court right now. Baseball sucks. It's brutal. One of the story that that came out right after we got done recording this afternoon. I think we should at least mention it because it is. It's pretty significant news. The English Premier League did investigation into Man City for like salary cap hijinks over the last decade, 15 years. They were found guilty of everything that they were charged with. So they had imagined an entire team that's run out of guys that are getting co-ioner contracts. Like that's how bad it is. The point where like Man City I'm hearing Mike get relegated, like kicked out of the league. I asked people to explain it to me in terms I can understand. And so one said it's like the Houston Astros did 16 9 11's. It's pretty bad. Yeah. It's awesome though. Zach was telling me about

22:50what his breakdown was. Zach, you got it. You want to comment on that? He keeps moving in his apartment too. He moves in his apartment to a different place. It doesn't change anything. So the crazy thing is that they've got this big ass like brand new stadium. If they get relegated, they're just going to have to have concerts every day in order to actually make money and have the ownership not go broke. It's a pretty it's a pretty hilarious predicament they've found themselves in. But they're essentially running a fake set of books. Okay. Yeah. I didn't understand it. It's not significant. People were like holy shit. How is this happening? But they're still there in the middle. I mean, I know they're on a break right now, but they're they're going to play the rest of this season. Maybe I don't know when the so this is just the panel that like decides whether or not they did that shit and the panel today decided they did all that shit and also plus some other shit too. So it went about as bad as it can go. And then there's going to be another panel that decides what the punishment's going to be. But it sounds like this is this probably

23:50should be death penalty stuff because it's pretty much the worst thing that's ever happened in English soccer in terms of like rule violations. Damn. Man city. I love it. Yeah. Man city. Zach, do you have any thoughts on it before we kick it to ourselves in studio? Talk some money at football. Man city's been playing with the money for. Oh, Zach playing with the money way too long. What happened? You guys can hear me good now? Yeah, no, to man city. Then I want to know what happened otherwise. I have no idea. Oh, what happened in man city's age? They're they're maybe fraudsters big cat. They made you get it. Okay. It's a big stadium to have to keep filled if you're not planning the big leagues. Yeah, but I'm not sure which microphone you guys are coming through or can hear me through now, but I think we're good. It sounds beautiful. What happened with did you fall asleep? Yeah, I did. I did. It is late. It's 1145. It was a playup baseball. I should

24:53have been there with you guys. That's what I did fall asleep. How was it watching the game with Max today? Max, Max a passionate guy. Max is passionate about the Phillies and things got extremely steamingly passionate in that corner. That's not sexual, dude. It honestly, it got a little tense. There was like definitely a little bite in the air, you know. So you're saying there was a chance that things could get sexual. Yeah, but individually. Okay. Like separately sexual. Where's that? Like the match in the Phillies between me and the Phillies. It was separate. And if one of us were going to do that, it high a chance wasn't me. I did see Max waving somebody home. Oh, yeah, I was trying I was trying to win a ball game. Yeah, that was my first because I was during the silence stream. Silence stream was something. The silence. Yeah, he was the Phillies actually scored some runs while we were interviewing Kase Keenum. All right,

25:56before we kick it to ourselves, what are predictions for game twos? Who do you want to go for? I like the white socks. Oh, yeah, the white socks were awesome today. And we should have mentioned white socks were awesome. They're better than the ass. The scythe white socks beating the Astros because it's in my opinion, it's still fucked the Astros and probably always will be fucked the Astros. And it's cool to see the white socks having success out of all the, you know, they what it was two seasons of row, 100 losses or more, including like some historically bad teams. And now they're just young and fun. They don't know any better. I'm rooting for the white socks and the American League for sure. Yeah, they they won their first. That's our bad. I think we're all just kind of pissed off at our own teams. They had won their first playoff game today for in 1,815 days. Kind of a no doubter. Could have actually been worse. They had they had bases loaded, I think in like the second or third inning and didn't didn't make it like a crooked number, but they they I think they're just better than the Astros. And if they can

26:59they've had stretches this year where they've been like one of the hottest teams. So if they can recapture that watch out for the white socks, they also if you want to talk about like tampering and so they got a letter from the pope today. That feels that feels like that's a destiny run. You get a letter from the pope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually letter. A letter from the pope. Yes, handwritten. It looks like it was typed on like a typewriter and then signed by the pope. Looks pretty damn official. Let me look this up. And so the white socks will be going for tomorrow. Their first playoff series win in 21 years. And Sean Burke is pitching. And I like his quote. He said, this is my life. No family. No girl. No kids. This is all I do. That's that's who you want pitching in in a chance to clinch a series. So oh, comes up bases low on Joe musk Grove. To Mr. Jerry Reinsdorf, I was pleased to receive the kind letter that you sent following the game that

28:04took place at Rapefield on August 11th, 2026. I am most grateful for this thoughtful gesture. As I have noted, sport can truly become a school of life where all can learn that substance, that abundance does not come from victory at any cost, but from sharing, from respecting others, from the joy of walking together. In this spirit is my hope that the white socks will continue to foster bonds or friendship and solidarity among people. And thus bear hopeful witness the possibility of living and working together in peace with these sentiments. I willingly invoke the Almighty's abundant blessings upon you and your loved ones. That sounds like he just like God just bless the white socks. Yeah, just bless the white socks. It doesn't sound any more clear cut than that. The Cubs might be back because we just we have bases loaded one out, but we just made Mason Miller get up, which listen, any little bit helps. He's warming up right now. So you know, he's got to get up. He's got to get up. That's got to change a little bit tomorrow. Maybe he doesn't have a

29:06show. He's so fucking good. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm coping right now. Oh, last thing I had, we don't need three announcers in these playoff. I got one more thing. We don't need three announcers in these playoff. Yeah, we do. If if if John Fanta is involved, John Fita's actually the fifth announcer in this game. Clayton Kershaw's the fourth announcer. I know Johnny Diamond. John, I love John Fita. Baseball is a sport that you have to let it breathe. You it's a slow sport. It's a dramatic sport. Stuffing the booth with with with with everyone I get it. They're trying to do the, you know, they're trying to do the eat, you know, a guy from each team to make it neutral and all that stuff. You just don't need that. I listen to the majority of the Cubs game just on radio tonight. Like, well, I synced it up with my TV. It's too many announcers. I NBC's doing too much. I'm sorry. Do you guys agree? Yeah, I love Anthony Rizzo, but it was it just was unnecessary. Right. It's just like it's hard. It's hard for it's hard for

30:10there to be a flow when you have three guys trying to like find their place in. It's not a fault of them. None of them are bad. They're not together. It's like it's like right not. They're not that's point. That's each other. Rizzo is the fourth tank. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like we had the Cubs color guy, Jim Shays, and then the Padres color guy were in the booth with a play by play guy. And then Clayton Kershaw was sitting in the stands. And then John Fanta would join it. There's a lot. There's a lot. Yeah. We just need one announcer in baseball. We had Cruck. And like the beauty of Cruck is that he does, you know, the Philly's local broadcast. And he's the biggest Homer of all time. Yes. Like side tangents and this and that. And then in this game, he was like trying to be like super professional and like complimentary to the braves. And I'm like, this isn't Cruck. Like Cruck is doing this right now because he's on like,

31:11give me, I need Cruck in like the middle of August where he's just talking about like the Hogi that he had last night. Correct. They should need this. That's what they did with every single game. They matched announcers, announcer crews. Yeah. It's so simple NBC. Just you have all your streaming apps. The TV version on NBC, you can have be whoever's the home team. That could be their announcers. And then the streaming app can be the weight team. And I and everyone could pick who they want to listen to and just do it that way. Like everyone, every fan of baseball would tune into their home announcers to watch a massive, massive game who's watched them for 162 games. That sounds great. Yeah. They mash guys together that have never worked together. And like, hey, this one work. Just put them on the cock and have them and you have multiple streams. Right. Cruck on the cock. Jim stays on the cock. Give me, give me, put a book on the cock. Yeah. Give me Cruck and team back on the cock.

32:12Okay. Why do they have Kershaw down in like the Bougroom O'Beal of baseball? Dude, Rizzo was in the same spot. It's crazy. I don't know. I don't understand what, what that innovation is supposed to solve. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. But I do like it when they kicked to John Fanton and he's like, you know, this guy's favorite pitcher also used to pitch for the Padres back to you. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, White Soccer will team that a good day. Shout out to White Soccer. That was the hell of a performance. I do think they're just better than the Asher's and I think they're better than the Guardians too. So I know that doesn't make sense because they lost the central to them. But I think the White Soccer is going to go to the LCS. Okay. Let's kick it to ourselves and talk some Monday football. Welcome back, hockey. Okay. Before we get to Monday night football, hot sea, cool throne, Stanford, Steve, it is brought to you by our friends at Draft Kings. The football season is heating up and every week feels bigger with Draft Kings. The Draft Kings Sports app is now

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35:18apply device and content restrictions apply to multi view commercial use excluded no free refunds case kingdom boys Monday night football recap case kingdom what a game QB3 QB3 hadn't played in a NFL game in forever comes in QB3 lights up the Eagles and incredible like sensation like not just backup lights up like throwing the ball down the field throwing absolute seeds 247 passing yards three total touchdowns his first game with three plus TDs in 2,577 days I gotta say it was a very enjoyable watch it was a dominant win by both case kingdom and the Bears defense played lights out especially in second half they they held the Eagles to no points I am also I know that my praise for Ben Johnson keeps going up and up and up where I've said you know I would leave my family for

36:23him I'm now at the point where I would I would I would kill for him I'd murder for him just mad or just anyone anyone anyone if he's like hey I need you to murder this guy I'm murder for him yeah done no problem no problem memes no problem Zach no problem okay probably not you all right I'd probably when I have to do is probably like you like you know no no no no no I don't understand I can't lose you I do like a gone girl situation okay where I'd like I'd be like hey we gotta get we gotta get rid of you and then say that you're dead yeah and then we'll just do the podcast and and hope Ben Johnson doesn't listen to you can fake kill me that's fine I think he's the best coach in the NFL I would not trade him for any other coach in the NFL I mean it was it was a great game plan that he had and incredible and case came to play to awesome even the last minute the the touchdown scramble that he had or the snake the design snake yeah we're just not gonna block fill these defensive tackles I hope you're cool with that case yep I was a 38 he might have called that on his own by the way you're 38 you're 38 case you you probably won't mind getting hit by some defensive tackles and then just nobody was there yeah and they they trusted him they let them throw the ball down field too

37:27yeah it was cool um he he it was to to watch the Bears get off the mat after a week two game that was really tough to watch and you know you had I part of my love for Ben Johnson is how much the rest of the NFL hates him and I'm not saying like anyone in this room I'm saying the like executives and I don't know if you guys saw but after week two Mike Sando did one of his like blind reporting like talking to executives and coaches in the league and this is week two two games in and he had this quote uh the Bears are entering into this world where it's like Ben Johnson is constantly out of his out over his skis and they have come through well now guess what they got smacked in the face the score three points what does that mean it means that Ben Johnson is going to drop his nuts on the table and be like hey this guy who hasn't started in in years is going to uh run a perfect offense and like you know going into it the narrative was Ben Johnson's only called plays for number one overall picks yeah and Jared golf and Caleb Williams doesn't matter Ben Johnson is the man I would not trade him for any other coach I get it there's

38:31coaches that have Super Bowl rings there's coach have been doing it for longer but if you said hey Ben Johnson trade him for Andy Reed I wouldn't do it I wouldn't do it he said something interesting there big cat people are going to want to know you said it doesn't matter Caleb Williams Jared golf case kingdom oh well I I do think that I mean obviously Caleb Williams is the quarterback he has the highest ceiling he's he will run the offense to a level I mean he scored 59 points there will be people at home that are that are saying I love I address the system cuba yeah yeah that's great uh I welcome that discourse because it's uh it's like when you don't have anything else to say you're like a system cuba yeah it's like the it's the last button you can press I just think Ben Johnson is so good at coaching and you could see it in the game plan like he was the the the the last year on black Friday the bears ran it down the Eagles throughout the Eagles all week we're saying we can't let that happen again and they did a pretty good job I think we only had 27 rushing yards in the first half Ben Johnson said okay I'm going to basically make the game plan out of making your linebackers

39:35just being distressed constantly with Khalif Raymond and Luther burden across the middle in case kingdom throwing on time and that's how we're going to win the game and that's how they did it and yeah it was it was just I like I'm starting to get some some feelings that are are scary but the bears are good good and yeah that was uh it was a fun fun watch I thought what Ben Johnson did best was slow down the the Eagles pass rush yeah and make their linebackers like you said make them confused what what Max Max shake his head we're gonna he's getting the ball out with them like that it wasn't slowing down the pass rush it was just getting the ball out before the pass rush could get he got the ball out but we're saying like big cat was talking about the the linebackers being kind of in conflict yeah but I'm like I like I like I have no chance to ever even start I like he's keen he was getting the ball out in a second and a half he was he was getting the ball out extremely quickly but Ben Johnson was also dialing it back to some formations that I haven't seen since playing maddening like 1994 where you've got two guys in the backfield and like the pro set formation yeah

40:37and he was doing I mean Ben Johnson does stuff like where it's oh it's obvious first down where it's like hey this is gonna be a run Sam Raus is on the field who's a blocking tight end and Colson Loveland and Colcomat aren't there oh Khalif Raymond across the middle like shit like that where he just keeps the defense on their toes and yeah I just it was it was it was so much fun to watch I'm happy for case key to him it's it's pretty cool like that he has has this story and is able to play one more time did he did tell an anecdote that to lock in this week he put his phone on do not disturb all week and the only like he you know the the setting that you can do that someone can go through do not disturb yeah he had it Ben Johnson in his wife and he's like guess who called me and hit me up more and it was Ben Johnson obviously by a lot I love that and then when he had like his daughter on the post game yeah that was an awesome moment and she had never really gotten to see him play right and he was like yeah so now she believes me that that he's a quarterback it's just so cool we're gonna watch the tape together it was it was a pretty cool moment for sure

41:40yeah the the offense if people are accusing you of system quarterbackery that means that you have good quarterback yeah that means that your team is playing well does it means yeah the system is awesome and that and it is just crazy watching a like if you say you're going into a game with QB3 who's 38 years old I think most people in their head would be like there's no way you can win but that's what Ben Johnson does he gives you a chance to win every game it took me till 646 pm about 35 minutes before kickoff where I was like you know what case kingdom's gonna be awesome tonight so it did take me a while but I got there I also the the tweet that I had from 2019 saying our IP case kingdom I can't wait for him to win a game as a random backup in five years I was off by a couple of years yeah but still that's pretty close yeah it's pretty damn close and people do like when they look at case kingdom they they think I what do we say on this show he is the Andy Dalton of Cooper rushes he was an awesome quarterback in college people like he is I think he has the all-time yard of record right yeah senior year Houston was saying yeah he was he was a great

42:45college quarterback he is now I think the only quarterback besides Ryan Fitzpatrick to win for seven different NFL teams that is a fast starter yes which is awesome I'm shocked that Josh Johnson isn't also on that list that is kind of crazy that's pretty wild that I guess he just hasn't really gotten into game he's he's he's gonna pop stuff once every like four years yeah also case kingdom a crazy case kingdom sat he has 32 wins is a starting QB in the NFL including playoffs nine of those 32 wins so 28% of his wins have come against a super role winning quarterback so he he can he can step up in the moment and he also a crazy case kingdom stat he was playing last night obviously and Sean Manion who was calling plays for the Eagles also through a pass for the Rams in 2016 as well as case kingdom so they were teammates that is cool yeah and there was also the great pull by memes when Andy Dalton got in for a minute it was that cover of what was

43:47the cover from Texas football cut above the 2010 preview and it was case kingdom Jared Johnson yeah and Andy Dalton yeah and they were all there a Monday night football I think all three recruited to play safety from McBrowness yes exactly yeah so yeah it was it was a great night and it was very fun to watch do you want to do we talk about the Eagles side of one one thing real quick so we talked about the blitz he was 11 of 11 yeah for 145 yards and two touchdowns throwing against the blitz last night which is pretty fucking good for 38 year old guy it was that hasn't seen it in a while yeah whatever they were doing during the week to simulate the pressure was pretty impressive and before we get to it to Max I just want to say big cat um welcome to the club what's the club oh the you know the club the club yeah what's good you now join the commanders we both have two quarterbacks that have more passing yards than Drake May oh is that it's just us I know the sea hawks as well so the sea hawks all three teams two quarterbacks yes two quarterbacks welcome to

44:50club thank you you're welcome it's good to be in the club it's a great club yeah great club I actually think there's also a world and and this is crazy say I think Tyson Beijing might start on Sunday so I mean I I don't care Ben Johnson whatever he does I feel bad for for case kingdom in that okay because his post game like it was it was a good like his post game speech to the locker map words where he's like you know I've gotten I've had this taken away from you before like this means a lot and then he said he played so good yeah he's like I might not be a cowboy with the same my first rodeo yeah and it was like you know that's a feel good moment it's like he played great it must suck to be like yeah I got this I could still I could still do this and it's like yeah you're not playing again I I think he's he's gonna be fine either way I actually feel the reverse I feel bad for Tyson Baygent because he finally was gonna get his chance and he got concussed and then case kingdom balled out it doesn't really matter I think that like whatever Ben Johnson does if he starts Tyson Baygent and people are like how can you not have case it's because Ben Johnson you just go with whatever he decides yeah I mean I don't know I think I think they might go

45:55back to Tyson Baygent yeah well he said I think he said after he's QB2 but I don't know it doesn't matter it's Ben Ben Johnson could pick anything do anything and I'm just gonna follow him like with the the the fourth down go for which was a terrible sequence for the Bears would roam adunes they drop the pass and then they went for it on fourth down everyone's like oh you have to go up 10 with the backup quarterback no no Ben Johnson is gonna play aggressive and as he plays aggressive it's gonna if you play aggressive the same way all season long the numbers will eventually be in your favor and that's the thing it's not he's doing it in a way he's not gonna flip flop he's not gonna be like oh situation I have to do this I have to do that no no he's gonna be pedal to the metal the whole time and I trust that all right you started or max like to talk about big day today yep well we already talked about the Phillies which we're doing yeah I definitely went well we did we did the baseball late at night of the assume and now we're back in studio we're taping this in the morning before any baseball has been through played would you like to apologize for

46:57earlier getting too upset about the Phillies on the pod when we recorded when recorded later on tonight no I mean this is this is that was a scheduled loss okay that was a scheduled loss because they couldn't they couldn't win until game 162 and had the pitch their ace on Sunday got you all right so yeah Monday and football what went through your head Max the Eagle I mean I said it all week that everyone was saying that it was case keen against against the Eagles and it it has to be a win blah blah blah the Eagles have not looked good in either of the two games that they played going into last night cam word sucks as a guy who watched the tape of that game tape guy cam word any competent quarterback wins that game and it's the fucking Titans against the Eagles like I the defense didn't look good in that game they didn't look anything like they did last year and Jalen Hertz played very well the first two games to basically will the will those games to victory and then he played a bad game last night and that's what happened not according to manual acho no well and I don't

48:02know when I'm manual on it Jalen Hertz did play really well in the first half we all we all were saying it yeah in the first half he was great and then the third half in the third half the third quarter he was fucking horrendous and then that's what happened yeah I'm gonna wait I'm gonna find exactly when he uh oh it was okay it was it was it was early in the game so I mean in the first half he had a he was 11 for 13 for 122 yards with like I think the bears pass or the bears pressure rate was getting there in less than two seconds and he was still 11 of 13 yeah bear defense I should have said more about the bears defense the bears defense was that that was the best that game they played in a long time second half got the pressure the enemies in an absolute stud I know and Dalton kind of threw him an easy one but the bears defense is the weakness of this team and they were not on Monday night they played their fucking asses in the second I mean the first half the Eagles are moving the ball they were moving the ball yeah say while it was running it down say while it was running it down or their throat and we just couldn't stop shooting ourselves in the fucking

49:02foot with penalties and Andy Dalton in the Andy Dalton situation of it all do you think Nick Syriani should have called a time out there yeah yeah that was that was I thought there must have been some sort of rule of why he couldn't call all of his timeouts to get him back in that feel like one time out what had gotten him back in I know he should have used all of the time out to get him back in that game even fake an injury have a guy just like laid out the fact I mean I before we were we were streaming before that play I just said I knew that they were going to throw it they took sake one out of the game everyone knew they were going to throw it and the only thing I said is Andy don't do fucking don't do something dumb here don't do something dumb and he did the dumbest thing ever it's pretty dumb and he should there should be a signal where okay quarterbacks almost out of the blue tent we think he's fine Andy lay down on the ground and grab your knee and then we'll we'll bring the card out for you that would have been I mean yeah anything would have worked other than what they did yeah it was a bad choice but I mean credit also to to jail and hurts the

50:02operation at the end of the first half was awesome getting that quarterback sneak in with like yeah yeah yeah in the first half he was great we were we were all saying that jail and hurts was playing an awesome game in the first half and then the third quarter came and he just shit down his like do you think uh Demarco Jackson is a fucking pussy what oh Demarco Jackson is one who hit I mean it was kind of bang bang I know I don't think it was like fully out of bounds I know I was stepping as he got hit I didn't I didn't really look at look at it like that anyway I think there's argument to be made that it was that it was a clean hit oh yeah football play yeah oh do you think but but also I think there's an argument to be made that they shouldn't he didn't he didn't get hit in the head in any way and he shouldn't have had to go to the tent but that's I think what happened his head probably bounced off it didn't it didn't okay I saw the hit and it was it was clean it was the show yeah and he yeah he flew back and it was kind of a it was a tough hit it was a full I think they just saw that it was a big hit and they're like there's got it he had to have hit his head somewhere and he didn't do you see any irony in Nick Sireani calling Demarco Jackson a pussy and then Nick

51:04Sireani not going for it on fourth and one midfield with three and a half minutes left the third quarter that was a big pussy move that was people he's love going or keep going back to that and then he went for it up fourth and five but then he got a three and out yeah so it wasn't like that it wasn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of the game like that try get it like I was pissed in the moment looking back on it it's a pushy move did not do that but he did it did work out kind of what he was thinking of like okay pin of trust the defense get get ball back good field position with you know you're down a distance so it's like I'm mad about it looking back at it but in the scheme of the game it wasn't that big of a deal when you look at the Eagles offense compared to last year are you happy with with the changes it looks like a lot of the same the first half like you said better second half I would I was thinking a lot of the same oh yeah we completely abandoned the run even though we were dominating them in the wrong game

52:05in the first half the bubble screens the bubble screens are an absolute joke the offensive line is bad like the offensive like the strength of the Eagles team for the past six years has always been run the football rely on your offensive line now you have to rely on Jalen Hertz who is at this point he is just an inconsistent quarterback like that is what I found about Jalen Hertz is that he has stretches where he looks fantastic and looks very good and then he has stretches like like you had in the third quarter where it's really bad it went it goes back to last year I still think like you can see it like a lot of this year he's capable of playing really well but then he goes through these stretches where he's just really bad can I ask questions about Jalen Hertz that I noticed it more last night than ever before and I think we all have talked about it but Jalen Hertz is so good and I think Jalen Hertz is good quarterback I don't buy into the like he stinks he's he's he's bad Jalen Hertz is so good at evading the rush but when he rolls out he never

53:13completes a path he is tear it's crazy he is terrible at he if he if he evades a rush he has to run right because he's just not make a throw there was that one not there was that one last night where it was like Devonte Smith was actually open and Jalen Hertz still threw it away like I don't even think he was trying to he just is he's incapable of throwing on the run but like the reason he got to that situation is because the the pocket completely collapsed on him right and he did a great job of evading that the past rush but he just can't finish the play with that it's just so long if you rolling outside of the pocket if you get him out of the pocket it's an auto in completion if he's not running the ball yes so like he has to run and he is good like he is good at running and picking up yards after he gets out of the pocket but that's his only success rate yeah it's like it's like the like there's guys like when you think of like the best quarterbacks right now in the league like Josh Allen the Holmes Brock pretty like Brock pretty had that play on Sunday where he was jumping out of bounds and made a completion like that's that's the difference

54:17yeah where it's like not only can they get out of the collapsing pocket but then they can still throw it down field I feel like Jalen Hertz that's the part of his game that's the most lacking like if he could fix that I don't know what the fix is the Eagles offense would probably look a lot better Russell Wilson was the best at that when he would scramble yeah and still like somehow lock it would be down there right because he would find him by yeah because Jalen Hertz does keep like fortified plays a game alive that very few quarterbacks could keep alive it's just when he keeps it alive it then dies yeah yeah so the offense does look very similar to last year I agree with that what about what about the defense defense is it in the enormous problem turns out not being able to reason I'm the Kobe Dean and having jihad Campbell take a spot is not working out for any of the parties involved jihad Campbell was horrendous last night he was so bad and he hasn't been good all year and a Kobe Dean is like part of the reason that the Raiders are 3 and 0 right now he's been fucking awesome for the Raiders and that's a that's a big deal hey did you have questions

55:23no I mean this tough it's it's I wish I could I wish I could make fun of Max Moore but given the state of my current team it's a little bit harder the the Devante Smith sideline video was was maybe laugh at least that's the fucking camera crew they like you it's it was a complete rejecting depressed yeah like you're you're you're getting your ass kicked in on national TV Monday night football like no yeah no one is gonna look happy in that moment you were they were getting fucking stomped on maybe it was because of that attitude I mean he played that yeah that's what I'm saying the first half that catch and throw was perfect like here's a spin zone Max it could be worse AJ Brown could still be on the team because then it would have looked really bad like in terms of sideline body language I'm not well then the camera just would it would have been the Taylor Swift of like let me let's make sure that we get AJ what he brought out

56:24I think maybe Devante Smith has been skating by for the last couple of years because AJ Brown's always drawn the camera attention oh and now Devante Smith actually a problem now we're only sitting he didn't do anything it's not from Hank like he did something he he looked like he was upset that they were losing the football game okay he didn't like his body language yeah I think I I lie I lie after made me laugh oh he liked oh he liked these body like yeah we'll play for you because you guys don't talk anymore what you guys just point now Max I think it's going to be okay I think you need to stay now Sunday must compete oh why not even a must win must compete yeah the Rams they're eating wind bad right like if they if they look like they did last night on Sunday against the Rams season over do you need do you need Jalen to look better Jalen had a bad quarter like he looked very good in the first half and like that's what I'm saying it was a really really really bad quarter so I'm not excusing him for that after they had shown

57:30that that he yes there was a lot of he's there was a lot of he still run in last night there was a lot of he still he missed a lot of guys people accusing him of being a big stupid pick guy I mean it was fourth down it was fourth down that's that that's the only thing that I like who gets the no it was more of a he still run in because he he was like fourth down there's a guy there I'm throwing into Davante Smith no matter what instead of actually surveying the field like I think we had three guys it was one of those where it was like I'm throwing this to Davante Smith I don't care if it gets picked was it's fourth down right so that's like the that's the only difference of like a point yeah yeah but also you'd like him to see the guy that would correct but I would hit his head that's what I'm saying is that that is the problem is that there were multiple times last night where he didn't find the open guy it's like that was less of like a pretend you got to protect the football you got to protect the football because it wasn't he wasn't trying to protect the football in that situation what's the company's got to find the open guy what's the common thread between the offense last year and the offense this year jail and hurts a Nick's year yawning that's

58:31whatever you want everyone to say yeah is Nick's year yawning the hot seat no no not yet how what temperature is his seat or we're going off we're going off the Fahrenheit yes no so you know it let's do so so sis I like you do Kelvin Kelvin Kelvin I could probably do Fahrenheit it's it's like 80 it's like 81 so he's got maybe like two of the three seat warmers on in his car I would say one and a half one and a half seat warmers one and a half seat warmers I don't think you have that in the settings but that's fine maybe one seat warmer and a juicy fart yes you know yeah yeah yeah yeah do you think it he should be on the hot seat because I feel like he he coaches better when he is on the hot seat true that is true you're actually doing him a disservice yeah you need to actually call for his job has Max lost his fastball no I mean yesterday the that was one of

59:31the worst coach games I've ever seen in my life last night just absolutely zero preparation looked like it went into that game the you're you're very calm right now which I feel like the you've digested it last night yeah I mean it was last night I was mad yeah it was it was you got it you got absolutely embarrassed by case kingdom on on Monday night football yeah for the world you got absolutely embarrassed by case kingdom on Monday night football yeah jail and hurts got outplayed by case kingdom not even clut like not even close not even close not even close like it was a it was a Ben Johnson had those guys the the difference in game plan was as whatever yeah Max can I can we give you some make you feel better well yeah sure okay I don't believe that this is actually gonna make me feel why is that why would why would the we are entire history is friends in a show would you think that pft would be doing something that wouldn't make you feel better we always look out for each other Max yeah always yeah okay well a little positivity memes can

1:00:35you give him his present oh my god thank you thank you memes oh it's a jail and there you go so wacky jail and hurts inflatable figure yeah is that nice yeah that's beautiful yeah you're welcome do you like it so happy thank you you look like you might want to stab it no no that's what you want you want me to do that I don't I want you to be happy that's why I got it for you we screwed up we should have probably recorded last time because Max filled out he's he's he's fillies it's fillies it's all fillies right now um the Eagles are a problem for another day okay uh what else we got anything any other cleanup we're gonna do all college football with Stanford Steve any other cleanup from Sunday we did have the the the old guys being good again because it was case kingdom Aaron Rogers Jacobi Brr sorry James Winston who else oh Marcus Marriota Kirk Cousins am I missing one

1:01:37there's someone else I think uh all won a game on Sunday it was also the the teams who started their non week one QB all went six and oh or our six and oh uh in week three it's pretty crazy that's pretty good yeah yeah yeah actually that's all season not just week three because Drew lock one week two and we uh we got into the trade for JJ McCarthy with Steve which happened like as we were recording the interview with him there's been some fallout from it I love it for both sides fifth round pick seems like it's a little light okay yes but I said this before the season I do now like the minute you make Kyler Murray QB one you have to trade JJ McCarthy because there's just there's always gonna be a weird locker room tension you're not gonna start him you're not gonna play him so you just gotta you just gotta move on from your mistake and get anything back for it I think fifth round pick I think it's like addition by subtraction where you get a fifth round pick and you

1:02:39also get this entire narrative headache out of your room you get the narrative out trade that's not JJ McCarthy's fault it's not it's not like he was a narrative headache but you know you know what I'm saying like the the conversation will always be there if JJ McCarthy's on the roster trade Lance went for a fourth round pick a couple years ago so that's why I'm saying it feels like it's a little light for JJ McCarthy yeah because I you can say what you want about what you've seen out of him but I we haven't seen a lot so you never know he did win a lot of games in college um and I think Carball obviously talked to his brother about that and got as much intel as he can I am interested to see what happens if they start winning football games yeah like if it would have JJ balls out for the rest of the year yeah what if nine shows up I think uh listen for the giant side of it it it is the smartest thing to do because you have an offense that can run like Matt Nagy has created an offense for Jackson tart JJ McCarthy has similar skill sets what happens if he's really really good you now have two young quarterbacks both cost control that you can have

1:03:43options with what happens if he's really really bad you're get a good draft pick it doesn't matter at all so yeah it's I hope that they let him run because that's when he's at his best is when he he's able and available to use his legs as another part of the running game and it felt like in Minnesota they didn't want him doing that as much right and so maybe this will be a better offense for him the big question is is he going to get the number nine that would be a disaster like I think they have like one through 19 all accounted for it but I saw tweets saying that I was saying what about what about 99 99 for a quarterback I don't know how to I don't either it would rock it would be awesome so looking at the tweet match just pulled up number 10 11 both retired number 16 retired and everything else is spoken for I have another question James has 19 yeah I could see James being a good team being good teammate and being like I'll give you 19 I don't think that likely it's going to give up nine I have a question and maybe it's too early to tell because we're only three weeks in the

1:04:48season what does this do though to KOC's like QB whisperer tag organizations fail quarterbacks right was this quote he he obviously did a really good job with Sam Donald Sam Donald then went more on a Super Bowl yeah with someone else he changed him a car he didn't work out he decided to move on from Kirk cousins yep and now the Vikings are three and oh that's a lot because of their defense and Brian Flores they have gone back to back games with one single red zone possession yeah so is are we are we rethinking KOC is a QB whisperer not as a bad I think he's still a good coach but the QB whisperers part I'm not lost it I'm not because my take on KOC remains the same which is he's he's a foster home for quarterbacks yeah but that's foster dad does far the fostering of Kyler Murray hasn't looked great I know it's a very small sample yeah he cute little sample size

1:05:51but he is he has one football games the Carson wins yeah so there's that yeah true okay do you want to talk about NBA media day or do you want to do that in hot sea cool throne I had a bunch of hot sea cool all right so let's do let's do hot sea cool throne and again we're going to do college football talk oh one thing we didn't really talk about with stay for see that I wanted to bring up Lincoln Riley's got to be done right this is bad so his buyout is $70 million which is it's a it's a steep one this was a bad loss and then to have Dan landing just like drop his nuts on your face afterwards saying if you want to win football games come to Oregon if you want to go to Chris Brown concerts go to USC pretty masculating and also the the dirty hit the dirty hit was bad and then it wasn't just the hit it was also the celebration afterwards and he had a couple guys on USC that looked like they wanted to stop or they tried to calm the player down but it was bad those was at Desmond Stevens I think yeah and it was just the whole thing was it was ugly it was just it

1:06:52was a bad hit and then he was celebrating then he think he didn't get I think he was on the sideline yeah afterwards I agree with our guy stattle about about the quarterback slide which is it's designed to protect quarterbacks but it ultimately puts them in more danger yeah because when you're sliding you the only thing that's keeping the the top half of your body up is just like your abs as you slide through so if anybody hits you and it doesn't even have to be dirty hit if they hit you in your in your chest and your in your shoulder all that's going to happen your head is going to fly backwards into the ground yeah bounce off the ground and knock you out it feels like it might seem countertuitive but banning quarterback sliding might ultimately be better for them did you guys see the USC radio broadcast one of the funniest clips can we play the audio of it because it was so funny it was the USC home radio broadcast and their announcer essentially just being the biggest Homer of all time which I actually respect when an announcer's do this but I don't know if the guy

1:07:52has eyes because wait who what what is his name I want to get his name USC radio broadcast he he he's calling the hit as it's going on all right so Sean Cody's the one who actually would like disagree with them Pete Arbogast all right play it and Steven's went in helmet first but he kind of ran into Dante Moore who ducked into that head for him I did not see him put his feet out first I can dive forward yeah he's lying feet first he is now because they spun him around now I want to see the replay summer goes down into it yeah not a feet first slide more of a knee slide that's why it looks like he's putting on the replay to us it looked like he was asking for it Dante Moore was asking for the what he said first Pete he was like yeah they spun him around yeah he spun the lifeless quarterback around that's crazy and and what is Lincoln Riley now oh and four against Oregon I

1:08:53think going three maybe they came at the same time Lincoln Riley and Dan landing were hired at at the same time and yeah it's bad bad I wonder if Dante Moore if he's going to play at all this season because I think he might just I don't know the statement that they put out the other day maybe think that he might be he might just focus on the NFL yeah and we're going to talk I wouldn't blame with with San Francisco brings up the point about Dylan Reilly pretty good backup five star backup not a lot of teams can do that so yeah but we'll get to more college football I think we talked about Wisconsin with Stanford seed but I am it's it was good weekend it was good weekend to go to know it's been a while for that to happen but I feel like things are maybe turning around in the right direction for the Badgers which is sometimes it takes a while things you know it takes a long time to turn some things around and and it feels like we're going in the right direction also PJ Fleck is a psycho yeah yeah so his quarterback was bleeding on his face and then PJ was so so excited after

1:09:54when he just ran up to him smeared it right across his mouth oh no Drake make could learn a lot about how to handle blood football field from PJ Fleck that's true like PJ Fleck embraces it also PJ Fleck had a mini Mike Tomman moment I don't know if you saw that no he threw oh yeah yeah he threw his his play card I saw yeah he pretended to do a hold in the middle of a play in the play card went on to the field yeah yeah it looked like a flag because his his play card was a yellow thing PJ Fleck is a psychopath total psych like like certified in the sane person I was just say I'm not I'm not trying to take any credit but the badgers have looked a lot better since I essentially told Luke Fickley's got to burn the vest that's true the vest is the vest can never come back they've looked good this year they've looked better the defense looks looks very very for real okay uh let's get to hot seats cool thrown it's brought to you by friends at twisted T football season is finally here we've never been more ready for game day we're bringing twisted T along for the ride all season long twisted T's are refreshing hard iced T made

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1:11:59and then they were like no Zach Levine was cringe I think no Ben Simmons was cringe exactly Zach Zach Levine's personal personal but still fine also fine or no it the personality fucking annoys me but still fine and then one of the other mayor reporters like I thought you know I thought you like Jordan pool and she was like yeah I guess you know light skins my types so it was and and and then they you know internet found the reporter she's married tough scene oh no no tough scene all around that's really tough man was Ben Simmons going third person I guess it was not is it third person when you you have to say your full name or is it can you just say he when you're talking about yourself I think that second person second person when second you hardly ever get guys going second he went second person they asked him if he can return to his prime and he said I'm there he's there he woke up that is third person I think you is second person yeah that's he's inside me somewhere yeah I'm gonna say right now Ben Simmons you you do not get the privilege of using

1:13:00third person cringe but fine dad you have to be really really good I don't I might just live in the train I think I disagree with you on why because he just got to fish for like two years now he's in Sacramento or no one cares what I'm talking about the actual play on the basketball court that's what he's talking about if they ask Ben Simmons how's your life going then he could say yeah he's awesome his life is awesome no there was a moment when he was good yeah no I know so he's he's talking about that guy which is also him admitting oh coming back that he's not good anymore yeah but that guy but he's started with I'm there so he's where he's saying he's back you speak being that guy and then he said he's there I think is very confusing for Ben Simmons yeah but yeah Hank's right English is his second language yeah he's Australian he's used instead of he he should just say cunt that that cunts in there yeah Ben Simmons good for him this is a perfect place for him perfect place to do a comeback yeah pretty much this is like him doing like a rehab stint and and triple a baseball yeah it's the Sacramento Kings are the exact opposite of Fallon

1:14:02mafia literally polar opposites yeah and then speaking of fall uh and I guess it's cool through a more than next because there was there was when we talked about his his his quote was like we lost a four fucking best friends that was good which was just funny power friendship cool through and then Lebron said he was gonna go to the next before they won the championship which I don't know if that's cringe or if that's I don't know if that's good for the next if you're sad about it it'd be great for the next yeah to not need Lebron to win your first title in 50 years yeah true it's awesome he also said that that Philly wasn't even on his radar until they got Jill and Brown so like the Celtics you're just talking about things that everyone already knew about I know but I but he reiterated it those those were I feel bad for Jill Brown already yeah even though Brown was having a great time at media day yesterday whose team is it who's the alpha max that's he answered that question perfectly which is next question correct which is

1:15:06not an answer exactly who do you think the alpha is I personally think that the alpha is Lebron James but I don't need them to be talking about who's an alpha and starting anything in the locker how how would you have answered that question I think it's time he's maxi correct but like that then that that starts a conversation of all of it's this there was no good way of answering that conversation right now about it I think it's Joel and Bid I think it's Jalen Brown there you got like we're having the conversation she why we want to know the answer but like you don't need to know the answer they need to know the answer we don't need to know the answer we're just trying to get out there and win as a team yeah actually now saying no no next question now it's just gonna get keep asked keep asked keep asked I don't think him saying no next question is going to like there was a way to answer that question so that it doesn't keep getting asked he should have honestly if he had just answered Nick nurse yeah it would have been over I guess that would have been

1:16:06moved that's also a lie yeah put it would have been the moves like Nick nurses y'all for his the coach I have zero issue with him just being like this is a stupid question that's just trying to cause drama inside inside of the locker room and I'm not going to answer that question it's also a little a little pathetic that like the diehard LeBron fans are like mad at Jalen Brown for not saying LeBron oh no you need you need you need someone else to say that you're the alpha that's the most unalpha thing possible Dom Texan being apologized this morning yeah true alphas don't need to be told that they're alphas I think that it would have been nice for you to say that about LeBron he goes this is my first tent with philly media I went back and listened to it that that question was just trying to set them up set them up for failure he goes I apologize I'll be I'll be better I'm to I kind of agree Matt I think you need to you got to take care of him a little bit better take care of who LeBron you have the privilege of hosting LeBron James wow yeah take care of kind of what are you about to say does he not live in New York he got he oh philadelphia wow he is he will

1:17:13have two residences a residence in New York and a residence in Philadelphia do you think LeBron having a residence in Philadelphia just him will now make Philadelphia not poor he is a billionaire it does help the branch change the economy yeah oh yeah oh yeah sure anyway I'm not calling for the offie of poor that was something that's a callback to max calling for the poor in relation to New York City I like I like to play some both plays I like his first when he said I didn't leave my family to lose in the second round that's that's a great quote so he got divorced I can't well Tom Brady tried doing that yeah tried doing what his last season leaving his family yeah he won yeah well not it is not his family yeah what not last yeah when he moved in the Antonio Brown yeah yeah or vice versa that's actually if you're gonna leave your family like to move in with Antonio Brown it really makes the point clear you know hopeful yeah it's not like you're not like hey maybe we'll get back to get no no he lives with

1:18:15the Antonio Brown now yeah I'm I'm this is a football decision to live with AV he didn't just get like a a duplex right around the corner so he could see the kid no he he's living with Antonio Brown and Max you guys will bring back the black unis yeah that was a shocker I think LeBron was just like he just said I want the black unis and then Nike was like okay which makes a lot of sense oh so it's his team now is it the alpha that's not well he's definitely the alpha at Nike if you know if he's telling his teammates what to wear do you see he's telling oh we see also I feel like no enough people were talking about him going full bald he looks bad oh he looks incorrect should we by the way pft now that Max brought that up should when we're talking about LeBron's legacy should we not bring up the fact that Nike's stock is completely tanked and Max just said he's the alpha of Nike okay so as chairman and CEO of Nike is he responsible for the loss in like three billion dollars in market yeah let's go to this podcast to talk about the stock market I'm just saying let's talk about the stock market you know a bunch of guys you know did you ever think about the

1:19:17stock market Max listen you know what MJ did for Nike you made it night yeah and listen we get paid in board apes we are heavily leveraged in doge dating back to 2020 so I think maybe you should respect our investments a little bit more August 1st 2021 Nike stock was 172 a share it is right now 35 was LeBron playing in 2021 what what you're just saying what are you talking I'm saying the high the high it is all under LeBron's watch the CEO LeBron what are you what are we doing yeah what are we doing LeBron CEO he's watched Nike just completely tank but he was also part of the high no no MJ gave LeBron Nike in 2020 what yeah you didn't I don't know I'm not I don't I don't follow the stock market LeBron's not the CEO Nike I mean you could make the case after the most recent championship every time he wins a championship the stock

1:20:19goes up and he hasn't won a championship in a long time so stocks weigh down it's a fact get ready for the time to buy stock in Nike okay you won't you guarantee I don't have I'm not guarantee okay are you cool term I cool there was New York in friendship oh and and uh at the adventures did you see this embrace debate for Tyler hero no I said to two max great great question big J question we're big Avengers guys okay you were in a promotional campaign for Marvel Studios a few years ago right and as everybody knows you know Avengers Doomsday is about to drive in December my question to you do you believe that the Avengers are cooked or are they gonna win this this uh you know this year or whatever with uh Avengers Doomsday and it was so how what in verse debate are the Avengers cooked uh Avengers Doomsday yeah yeah yeah didn't um what's his name cook him Thanos yeah but he cooked when they came back portal they came back through the portal what happened

1:21:25what but wasn't spider-man like a big movie mm-hmm no we're talking about like in in the movie oh are they cooked I don't know enough about Avengers did it man crawled the ass thing no okay memes what happened with that I I like to hang just explaining it to you guys basically like do you think in the upcoming uh superhero movie that the superheroes are gonna win oh oh no I don't think so no that never I think they're I think they're cooked the cuts they're cooked they're cooked how will they wiggle their way out of this one yeah probably right there Avengers doomsday they you to assume the doomsday would be for the Avengers this is probably going to what doom is the is the villain which crazy yeah yeah that's the same as dooms also uh Tony Stark oh my doll R.P. my doll this that's crazy because it's not Tony Stark but it's saying it's it makes so much money for the studio but there's no way they can do anymore after this because they're cooked so yeah I think I think they're all dead did you big cat and I learned this last oh yeah this nerd counter grip oh I own

1:22:28this is insane that event Marvel just put Avengers Infinity War back in the theater because they're putting in two minutes they added five minutes at the end of the movie well the Rick said it's not even five minutes oh way less and I cannot believe people don't feel like they're they're just taking advantage of it's exactly that's some Taylor Swift shit yeah oh yeah that's literally what she would do that's crazy oh by the way I put the we're gonna repeat the last chorus with a very special guest on stage and then that's gonna be the second releasing theaters you have to go see crazy that's some crazy shit yeah not a fan of that I that's and that is why I'm out on Avengers you got it a man it's got to have a code and that's where I draw the line so as someone who's watched every Avengers up until this point done uh pretty good cutscenes though what is pretty good cutscenes hey are you gonna watch I've seen a cutscene are you gonna watch Odyssey and TikTok because I'm gonna watch on my phone uh yeah I actually watched the Avengers cutscenes on TikTok the whole thing just the two

1:23:29minutes but are you gonna watch all the Odyssey on TikTok yeah probably all right I watch all my movies on take yeah let's tell people that last night they're like what do you mean he watches movies on TikTok and he's like I was like well you can explain it I'm gonna do a review of Odyssey on my phone yeah there's just accounts that record the movie screen when they go to movies that's very illegal super legal it's super legal and then I get trapped in a rabbit hole watching it yeah and I just end up watching an entire movie there was put the weirdest filters on those clips too I don't know what it is but you can like it looks like they AI the movies my algorithm has been uh just dog shit recently I've just been getting fed uh body cam like traffic stops but every single one of them is like part one of 10 and there's like seven minutes you won't believe what happens next I'm like I don't I'm done I'm out that's the trick they do yeah they they always say like part one yeah part two and then there's never another part yeah they give you three part one then four days later you get part two of the the original one you saw right impossible task to keep up with right and they always caption it like oh this drug dealer got caught and it's like part one they're

1:24:34just they're doing a routine stop give me the rest yeah give me the rest give me some yelling give me some screaming I want to watch cops okay pft I mean that was a lot of my hot seats cool thrones because we did like every NBA media day storyline um except for mark tightest being called uh that basketball player that that uh Brad Stevens had ever seen I said it's you Max which is pretty good uh pretty good shout out you got to make mark you got to make Brad Stevens compliment you so we were talking about the yak or we'll play the clip the only you you'll you'll hear it but Brad Stevens starts talking about what tightest does he he kind of he kind of ran out of things and uh here play like everything yeah sounds crazy yeah I coached a third grade team in Indiana when I was in college that was Mike's class and some of his best buddies still to this day I don't remember if I saw Mike play at that age but Mike was at Lawrence North um all the way through middle school and high school which was right down the road from us at Butler so Mike uh I definitely

1:25:35saw Mike in the early 2000s I might have seen him in the 90s we're gonna we're gonna go with that and we're gonna say that you did see him in the 90s much of a team wasn't even alive in the garage most of it I'm sure and then of course you didn't have more tightest on your team right in third grade I'm so excited about talking about this yeah I'm a big fan of mark tightest do you think that he could lock up Mike Conley in third grade was that the matchup for you um I'm sure Mark it's been great to see Mark have success and from an author to a podcaster to um yeah we were talking about the act there's there's really no more depressing things you like from an author to a podcaster it's like oh that person was an actor now he's a porn star like you you're you're when you when you you're an author and then uh well now he's podcasting it's like okay yeah he went from a chef to uh reality star that's what I'm here and for him but I mean he does it all right on the other hand he said like tightest is a guy he's a five-tool player he can write

1:26:37and then he can also talk yeah which is uh put on his verbal version of writing yeah we really need Brad Stevens really needed like one more thing for tightest because it just um from an author to a podcaster to uh what do we think about Brad Stevens judgment considering his recent track record what do you mean some of the moves that he's made oh such as such as trading jill and brown that was a good move for you don't you don't know cap that's fine okay oh oh you cap guy cap yeah tell me about it your cap we if we had we wouldn't have been able to sign anyone we would have been a two team two team team two player team uh-huh and the NBA which you need at least you know seven or eight you need more than one more than two players who did a trade them for some picks and we traded him to create uh for Paul George for Paul George yeah one year and then we can get rid of that contract okay all right but I mean I think my

1:27:39point of his his uh evaluation stands his personnel do you think Brad Stevens is a bad personnel evaluator no I said recent I said recent as a recent one move so but like if that combined with the word Brad Stevens a good evaluator and personnel guy yes or no the last yes or no the last or no no I think there's greater yes or no because the last two moves that he's made one trading jill and brown two saying that mark tightest is the best place ever seen Max question uh Henry Lockwood you also said uh jill and brown one year or uh Paul George one year he also has a player option for 60 million for the next year do you think he'll probably take that or no I don't you think he's gonna say no to the 60 million other player option I do I would like to ask the desk do you think that Paul George will say no to the 60 million dollar player option I do because I think he's a big team guy and he has a tremendous love for the city of Boston so I think he'll turn

1:28:40it down for the good of the self yeah I think you only turn it down for more money from that would be the only case where he would turn it down yeah which is on the table we'll see my other cool throne is going to be I'm going to do the twisted tease at JMU this weekend oh here in Harrisonburg and we beat Marshall which we should free twisted tease for at least a couple hours at Finnegan's cove six inside uh go down drinks and twisted teas enjoy on me uh all right my hot seats is fans of the Carolina Hurricanes because they have started a new they're they're banning cursing in the Carolina Hurricanes arena they're banning cursing how fans shall refrain from using abusive language or obscene gestures be aware of your language and please avoid profanity around children violation of the fan code of conduct may result in eviction from the arena without a ticket refund if you encounter a security concern another guest is interfering with they they basically said hey we're we're gonna be policing cursing this year more than we have so if it all takes

1:29:43somebody reporting you for a cursing yeah in front of a in front of a child they've they've updated the rules the Canes have officially banned cursing at the Lenovo Center for the 2026 27 season any fan of cursing in front of children will now be evicted from the arena cursing has not no place in the game of hockey I'm okay with not cussing in front of kids yeah I agree there should be a custom that's how about that how about you have a specific segments of the barn where cussing is not only accepted but encouraged and that's like the rowdy zone you don't have to wear a shirt I think this has to be your guy just patrolling the aisle nonstop this also can't be a rule for the playoffs you have to let cursing in the playoffs yeah and also like that's also come on we this might be a little bit of a soft society thing because kids kids learn how to curse by being it games what about the players curse all the time yeah kick them out what what happens there imagine if you get a five minute major report like the entire carla or the Florida Panthers

1:30:47there's kids are sitting by the by the glass for sure yeah they're gonna hear some person probably the better thing to do is just have a kid section instead of just a uh go ahead and cuss section yeah that would be smart like a ball pit yeah have a have a kid section be like okay absolutely no cussing unless it's the playoffs in the kid section yeah uh and then my cool throne is uh Dan Wilson the manager for the mariners because he got to do the uh very rare see very rare occurrence of announcing his own firing did you guys see this yeah I assume Dan Wilson told them hey i'll just handle it but boy was that off I don't think they asked him to do it I think he might have said let me tell I'd like I'd like to be the one so he goes to the media play just the first like 30 say he goes to the media and he's like this is his post season uh you know media availability talk about the season and then he starts it and then it quickly is like oh shit did he just fire himself and he did well he didn't fire himself but he announced that he got fired go

1:31:52ahead play it through it hopefully uh this state uh sorry uh this season has been very difficult and of course the results have not been what any of us have have expected um as a result it's concluded that today is my last day as manager of the Seattle mariners I'm still processing this with my family and it's a very difficult day um we love this city we love this community you fired himself and we uh appreciate it the organization now she's on fire so awkward so awkward yeah it's tough to make your but I guess it kind of also we're just saying goodbye to the media yeah yeah it's also kind of baseball such a weird sport where the manager can be the the person that gets the scapegoat for the team that gets all the blame and they're probably like if your bets if you just don't hit well yeah how is that the managers fault yeah I mean the marlins were this was a very disappointing season for the are so the mariners because they I mean they were good last year and

1:32:56they played in a dog shit division that if they had just played a little bit better they would be in the playoffs yeah all right Zach finishes off we're probably this is Zach has a tough job of like just picking at the carcass of hot sea crews are on the carton's empty boys we got a couple uh we're gonna we can pivot a couple times here we're gonna go hot sea the kids from Penn State because it came out they only made a hundred twenty thousand dollars yeah they ruined their lives for 120 split amongst like 14 guys it's about to cook guys that's always not that's a lot in college though but over how long over the course of years over the course of years that is not a they made it seem like these guys were cartel and as if like you take that 120 it's not getting divided evenly a couple guys probably got like 30 and one of the guys probably get me like four grand yeah ruined his life yeah yeah I thought the internet was had the same reaction where they're like that's it 120 because like you the way they made it seem like these guys were running a very elaborate uh cartel cocaine ring that was moving like tons of weight they made it seem like these

1:34:03guys took meetings in Columbia yeah yeah they did that's like that's like two years at Penn State yet to some yeah yeah yeah you covered books and housing for a fifth year and then uh cool you should they should knock some of the charges off after finding that they didn't really get paid that much yeah they know they should not simply yeah so yeah that's like you know we started we portrayed you to be kingpin type shit turns out that your paper's not up so yeah we'll knock 50% off it's not it's like it's almost like sorry we embarrassed you yeah because when the real facts came out that's you look like fucking losers that that might be part of the punishment like weighted discouraged kids from doing it in the future yeah it's like they'll make an announcement they were arrested they're going to prison and uh then you do one of those photo shoots with the cops put like all the all the cash that they confiscated and it's like $200 on in one so yeah on a big ass table they're like we got we got this off the streets thank god or they yeah they changed the law and it's like anything under a million is a felony anything over a million is a

1:35:07misdemeanor so you better get up yeah you better get your business out yeah yeah if you're gonna do it do it you guys are this bad don't do it don't do it like this like at least contribute to the local economy right you guys are in paracene you had all the opportunity in the world to get an education you sucked at selling coke at college at college yeah I feel like Jimmy Tatecher is going to make a great show about this oh got the college coke boys yeah yeah I feel like he's got to be the gorilla first remember right yeah the gorilla it's a whiteout season there was a kid in the cage the gorilla all right uh your cool turn uh my cool through this week is going to be charged parking because he doubled down he's on the retirement towards his last year he said he's stepping away he's 64 he's going to enjoy life wait what he's got one more year on the desk there's the last year no he just says this so he gets more paid more money this kind of pretty convincing that this we can't like he's like Ernie said stay a couple more years he did last year in this year

1:36:08he's I don't believe in public life I don't believe it it sounded genuine this time this but Charles Berkeley has one of those jobs I mean we I count myself as in this camp of like if he stopped doing what he's doing he would probably just do it with his friends I would be if I would not be surprised if Charles Berkeley actually did walk away though man that would suck because I feel like he just wants to play golf and get drunk and he's got it yeah yeah maybe he wants a gamble too Drainmon yeah is that what it's going to be in the groom and Drainmon yeah okay good job Zach uh let's get to some college football talk with Stanford Steve before we do that PFT's got a couple ads before we get to Stanford Steve he's brought to you by our great friends over at Kings Hawaiian what's the toughest part of football season it used to be figuring out what to eat on game day but not this year thanks to Kings Hawaiian the best slider and football they have it all from original Hawaiian sweet to savory butter pretzel sliders you can literally make anything on them

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1:38:13savings on gas and the part that got me is the savings stack it's not one sad discount it's you fill up you eat you shop and it all piles up into real savings at the pump joining takes less than three minutes in the shell app and you'll save on every fill after that every single one join the shelf fuel rewards program and save check it out the shell and now here is Stanford Steve okay we now welcome on a very very special guest it's our guy Stanford Steve in studio we're lucky enough to have him here to talk some college ball Steve you look good by the way trying try to get the goal is to get back to playing weight what was playing weight 250 and what do you at worst just in order to 60 we were actually talking about it the fact that Chet Homer and his two he went from 213 to 215 in the off season getting some weight I mean percentage wise that's oh yeah 10% body weight yeah his body fat good lord or what are you doing just trying to do something every day let's go that's I'm doing the same thing

1:39:16I mean you're your summer motivation got me going but like that gets old real quick so it's just like something got a burly trying to get a half hour hour walking the streets this morning that's our beautiful day steps are big that's that's been my goal is like I don't when I get in my head like all you got to go out you got to work out hearts like no what if you have 25 minutes go walk that's enough yeah and yeah and also you said no to the ice cream you know what I forgot I was I was gonna get it on the way out I didn't I didn't like I wasn't trying to deter you yeah from that and I was just kidding you uh about the jokes that were being said about it but yeah I'll get some on the way out here all right so yeah all right fair great good all right so college football week uh four we just completed it feels like we are finally now that teams are playing in the conference we are finally starting to learn some things uh do you want to go big picture first and like who who you think is like what maybe what's the top four or five wherever it stops above everyone else yeah I well I think

1:40:18you start with Texas because they have the two best wins but are they the best team I I still I just want to see more yeah I want like I expected coming into this year that we were gonna get the second half of the a and m game last last year from arch every game and you know with this idea of uh of NIL and in transfer portal and the lack of continuity what I've really looked at and being at the a bunch of these games I thought it was a big spot for Texas I thought all miss was in the same spot the first time an offensive line goes on the road because you could say you know you know lane LSU the week before you know lane system is as buttoned up as as there is like as far as you know uh being a verse to sound like you know crowds going all right hey we got to make sure we're all on the same page here all right don't worry we got hand signals whatever it is like they are their noise proof and that it wasn't good and offensive lines still the great ones you need continuity those guys are going to get ice cream together there it might be pulling out

1:41:23their books if they're studying together like it's just time you need to know each other it's a lot like you know what you do you guys do right you know you go you guys talked about it like go back to the first year yeah yeah but you you just learn each other and and in that when it's crowd noise other guys that are complete animals lined up against you and it's that fast like you need reps of that and the lack of two days now like offensive line is far behind so I looked at Texas I just want like they spent plenty of money goosebys going to be a topic they got Coney from uh wake forest who's been good you just want to see more and it's just consistency yeah they're all just hasn't looked clean no at all would you trust arch to put together a game winning drive in a big moment like in a playoff environment right now because I'm not sure that I would I think it's a bigger picture deal with that because the first day on that is you're gonna get protected you know uh you know what's the defense look like you know everybody's go oh backyard football you know let him go look what he does yeah like I believe last week at Tennessee was the first time they went up seven nothing in a start

1:42:27and I had fun all week uh when I started looking back and I was like you know arch has it one a true road game in regulation yeah and last week was the first time yeah people are like well Oklahoma's a road game because it's 50 I'm like yeah yeah no no no no true road game and people ran with that but I was just having fun because it was a talker point but when I looked at I'm like kind of got you know taking it taking to school Georgia Florida Ohio State on the road you know come back and win against Mississippi State and Kentucky in overtime and those are to win so I thought it was just a game where you just got to go win it like Neal and it's really really good tough place to play Tennessee had nothing to uh to lose you had a young quarterback go there and win no matter how it looks but watch it and take back you're like gotta button it up a little bit more because they're they're playing with fire at the end of these games and they should have won by I mean Tennessee you know they get the punt return they couldn't do anything nothing nothing uh you know what is sportsmen like penalties text head what 10 sacks I think yeah 10 six Simmons had five 10 sacks and then they almost got to 150 yards of penalties yeah that's hard

1:43:34to do and if two guys that do something illegal simulating a penis motion uh the first guy okay boys will be boys and also Simmons should get a pass because he got five sacks yeah yeah you pretend to take a leak on the ground I thought I thought it was a garden hose I get it he's one in the grass but then the other guy uh there was a lot there wiping the taint smelling the hand and passing out all the same motion yeah I'm while falling while falling it was actually it was very funny uh yeah but I feel like I heard Sark like talking to media after the game yeah and he's like he's so weird his name was like on the meat on the world as as a whole this is a societal problem that we have two guys that are whipping their dicks out in simulation on the field uh in a big conference game for us I did look at that post game because no one he's gonna be asked about it and he could have been a prick right like if that's saving back in it like that dude you would have been yeah and Sark took the high road so I you know players coach like this whole you know what do you

1:44:34label that as in this and that I thought that was a chance for Sark to put his foot down but he didn't so so he's waiting we expect more yeah I did also like that uh Chris Fowler was like that's the most vulgar thing I've seen I I feel like you could see a lot more vulgar things yeah I wouldn't want to test guys no I mean right like if that's a challenge see a guy pisses that's not as vulgar is like what if what if we just simulate it he's yeah what if we just do you know what if he what if he gets a sack and he just starts butt fucking the quarterback and I know he's your colleague but like we've seen Herb Street's dog take an actual piss on the field yeah and that should have been 15 and Peter was allowed to stay in like I'm on the kickoff pregame yeah yeah yeah yeah there's I mean you could say that yeah yeah the um good I was just gonna say moving forward in celebrations did you see LSU did to the L leaders yes like awesome right they did did did they mimic the Texas A&M yell leaders right there and it was awesome and turn over and that's one where A&M people

1:45:36oh ours just so I written you know you know we have other things on our school and we just out here we just wear our rings everywhere we just continue to show the yell leaders yeah that drives them nuts I got a shotgun for you yeah I love I love watching those videos they're so funny wait with the um I still can't get one I'm in person like I try mimic like I don't understand no nobody gets like a code nobody does um in the in the big picture obviously like you know the reps have to take control of the game oh breaking moves breaking moves this is gonna be appropriate hey stay show well yeah I mean we're gonna talk about it a lot tomorrow okay JJ McCarthy yes traded New York giant oh it happened that's a good tray okay you guys brought that into existence well no we didn't mention I there was I know you guys don't get in the news breaking stuff no it was I we did talk about it but it was someone else tweeted about it I think I might I did I credit them I can't remember but he they should have no you know we're talking about

1:46:38it because someone said what would make sense is the giants trading for JJ McCarthy yes and then a man knew Acho being like the dumbest person alive was like oh you know it makes sense the giants trading for who he said they should trade for um was it Mac Jones oh Mac Jones yeah we're like dude no that's totally different scenario the 49ers need to keep Mac Jones they should have a good backup they get hurt every two seconds the guy who said JJ McCarthy makes it makes perfect sense would they give up basically no either he's good in you and you save your season or he's bad in you and you tank and you get another pick yeah so smart the Harbos they just love sharing players they do do you think they're coaches and coaches like we're these one needs like a letter of recommendation for every every new player that they sign or every trade that they make or like a free agent in the office is like I real quick I just need my brother to battle yeah this is ours they when they get a player they're like this is a me oh yeah do you do you think this is gonna work out what where did you have Jason McCarthy well after watching with Michigan like

1:47:40better than this yeah so do you think there's something in there that he could maybe tap into yes um now when you I mean I was here last year for that game where he couldn't do a thing and then the fourth quarter they win the game was that a miss field goal uh yeah that was a bad one that was that was pretty much rock bottom for week one yeah because it was like same old same old players oh no they got a guy in JJ McCarthy yeah he played really well and fifth round and fifth round yeah and he was top 10 yeah right around 10 whoa no to penics was 12 maybe oh yeah I think I think I think McCarthy was the like lottery yeah he was a lottery for sure he's a lottery yeah I mean it's got to be in there somewhere maybe I would think uh no one Greg Romans there like bloom grin old like old school hardball guys like going back to the Stanford staff uh I know the terminology and what they want to do in the run game uh you know big guy I made the joke to you yesterday like every time we looked over at the Giants game scataboos getting it like I just wonder

1:48:43how much he could take the stat was that he had uh 60 yards rushing 74 yards after contact that doesn't make sense I don't care who you are it that's not gonna last in the NFL yeah this I mean it could be interesting if JJ's if he's good what that means going forward yeah I mean he has some similar skill sets like they can run the Jackson Dart offense with some of the right rpos and him running like they should use that that that's what I thought I would see more with the Vikings like you get a guy like that it's like all right you look a third down conversion like all the best third down conversion guys are the guys that could use their feet right you know and he just there's something it's something got locked and they need to unlock it yeah that's the way I look at it but he's still got beat out James James is coming off a win yeah true James did he did what he had to do he did exactly what he had to do all right back to college football yeah uh all right so we talk Texas who are your top five teams right now oh I know you're gonna ask me yeah and you got to answer um Texas Miami Georgia Georgia uh it's gonna be tough just

1:49:48I don't think I could um Georgia's not getting talked enough about I think that's fine they love it yeah I know they love that but they're just wasting people yeah um non competitive SEC games we're gonna leave them out Jamie no well you thanks for bringing that good point no I'm talking about Jamie central Jay Jay my you Indiana yeah they're that they're on the cusp yeah which is I actually think that's fair before the season I correct I had him too right preseason Notre Dame yeah uh so jumble those up oh high Oregon right on high states there uh with a big spot Indiana is it actually because like that you have to have a high state ahead in Indiana right yeah I would say so but Indiana hasn't they they might start just steamroll and people again correct but they haven't looked good and that's the thing it's no they haven't looked as good as a well in turbo I don't know how long he's gonna be yeah then look good that's bad um but yeah I mean you see in that offense the

1:50:50difference in quarterback yep like Hoover just had like somebody had the stat ink off target 20% of his throws the other guy misses throws but he still was like 20 I mean it still was fine uh I still think the receivers are elite um in the offensive line uh was getting there but I thought chip did a really good job in the second half of getting trials on the move like he was just sitting duck there so we'll see he's gotta go play shiano yeah yeah Friday night or no no no Northwest Penn State Friday night tonight game no it's on yeah I know that yeah uh but Indiana is right I mean they're right there but the the the biggest um not issue but I don't mind when people move up and down weekly mm-hmm like I be reactionary like like I kept saying what you're getting all offensive lines on the road for the first time now Ohio State gets their second crazy tough environment this week going to Iowa after playing in Texas like they're gonna be more buttoned up uh you know and how I would just be Michigan yeah like I think I think I think Ohio State will be focused

1:51:51yes coming in yeah so I think it's it's those things Miami uh going to Clemson we'll get to see them I don't count Stanford as a true road game no offense uh but that that's an environment that I want to see Miami is Florida considered if we're going reactionary they should be top five that was impressive impressive game yep back to back really because the Auburn game they dominated that game I know looked a little closer in the end yeah they dominated that game and then Ole miss I know the spot was brutal for Ole Miss but the way Florida runs the ball I think their offense like it just runs so well and it just feels like they got that juice to them that they're going to be like a real team here I know they have a tough schedule but that that was in eye opening oh shit back to back Auburn Ole Miss no problem with either but I also look at it as my real uh remember Paul Johnson Navy Georgia Southern option and he got the he got the job at Georgia Tech and was like wait to see what he does with when he knows more stars yeah I think that's

1:52:52what you're seeing with Buster Faulkner's offense yeah like being at Georgia Tech like he did all this stuff Haynes King was that you know human bowling ball in the offense but now he's got weapons in the offensive lines come together uh some are all it's awesome he's an absolute maniac he's a great dude uh you guys should definitely have him on he's that we're going to have him this week we bumped we bumped him for you don't don't tell him that don't tell I mean you just know he'll be stay for it he'll be thankful he's got a tricky spot now he's got your Missouri well that's why give it that's why I wanted to to wait a week is like go in that game and then correct yeah I didn't say that yeah maybe no me there number one maybe there speaking speaking Georgia Tech did you see Brinkie and at his press conference uh I went to bed he was taking notes during his press conference when when people oh I like that well did you see his quarterbacks last play but then you zoom in on the notes that he's taking and he's he's not actually writing anything he's pretending to write hmm during the press conference as like a distraction technique for him to know maybe he was

1:53:57a to-do list on that flight home because that's a long ass flight home after Luzam Stanford it is that's but you actually drove him insane where he's like taking pretend notes and not writing a single word on the piece of paper it's like mimicking it that's I mean that you got to you got to take your win getting into coaches head yeah stay up for students first game on you know after school started so maybe they got in this way what do you start late quarters I think it's called okay yeah October actually this is early I remember starting October first that's right just all ball for two months yeah that's awesome yeah that's that's how you build continuity yeah yeah uh speaking of out west Oregon uh huh I mean USC has an organ problem they just kind of eat their lunch every time they play uh USC's a whole other situation where it's like yeah it's the same shit every year every year I don't get a fuck and I'm done there there there are there are often it's always going to be explosive their defense is always not going to be able to get stops I'm just sick of like being told that this is the year the link around he's going to turn the corner it's not going to happen okay but Oregon how much of Oregon and and we'll see what Dante more happens because that

1:55:00was a brutal hit I'm starting to believe and buy into Oregon that Oklahoma State game they literally did have all their place Oklahoma state had all of Oregon's place and I'm not saying like it a spy gateway but they were we saw the the tape after they had every single tell on Dante more they were stuffing every single run so how much of that Oregon Oklahoma said how much that Oklahoma state loss can we kind of throw out and be like yeah Oklahoma state stopped them at an insane level because they knew exactly what was coming every time they came and it's a lot yeah if I could tell you was if it's runner-pass you're gonna do all right right you're gonna do all right right and that's what that's what we got there I listen I a couple things on Oregon um I was really impressed because this was a tough spot we talked about with Sabin all the time like it doesn't even get talked about how many coordinators and coaches went through Alabama and Sabin's tenure yeah like that is big time stuff and and trying to adjust and bringing in guys and it's like all right yeah here so landing had that is first time uh this offseason didn't interview anyone outside like that's Oregon man like

1:56:07look at the two guys that he brought in Kenny Dillon Hampton a good job in Arizona state will sign we see what he's done at Kentucky Tosh has been an unbelievable recruiter and he leaves and goes to Cal so I looked at that that is like I had Oregon below Indiana Ohio State in the big 10 because this was the first time it's a big deal replace it both coordinators I think Larry Coker is the last guy to win a national title having to replace both coordinators so as a young head coach and I still consider landing a young guy that was a big spot but then you fast forward to that and how humbling that could be flying home from still water knowing that they were in your they were in your back yeah and you have all the expectations of Dante Moore and now you go to USC who you know looked improved um and you go there and you take it to them and what makes Oregon and I think there's maybe a couple schools that you could put them in there maybe it Texas maybe Ohio State they got the money to pay a guy to sit on the bench that's five star former quarterback he was awesome he did it with Dante Moore behind Dylan Gabriel yep and that's where I think you I mean

1:57:10they didn't lose a beat it's true there's no other teams can have that tap no and I know you look at at what you know other schools are supposedly paid like Florida State they misjudge the whole quarterback market and they had to take Ash and Daniel who's who was six and 21 I believe coming in the year as a starter yeah you know Stanford Auburn and now he's you know for the state like you can't strike out there and Oregon just backs up the truck and doubles up the room yeah they're like all right well we got a good quarterback room like we're gonna be all right there at some point we're gonna need it and sure in the biggest spot of the season like had to have it moment or else they get two losses their their season is back all the way up against the wall with road trips to believe I Columbus and Seattle maybe yeah but still I mean you all the respect to Dan landing like that was a big time big time deal no one you had to have it you lose a quarterback still up against it and getting the job done a win by two touchdowns that was really impressive yeah that loss to Oklahoma State might be like it's actually sneaky good for them well they at least got the got out

1:58:12that their tells her out yeah got that out and also it allowed Dan landing to tap into like his his inner psychopath to be like yeah we're gonna fix this fucking thing right now correct and I think you know being an Oxford a couple weeks ago and then being in and um are being an Oxford and then being an Knoxville like you talked to the SEC fans it's like uh you know what happens if we lose what happened I'm like the biggest I think deal is push all your losses is back as far as possible yeah you know like Ole Miss had to have it against LSU and I'm like all right this was the game you had to look at knowing what Florida was gonna be but now you got your biweek like I think Ole Miss is it perfect timing for a biweek right because you don't have laced you give him another week he's the he's the key I get Trinidad is awesome but he's an absolute home run hitter you don't have that going on the road you need all your home run hitters on offense especially when you go on the road so for Ole Miss knowing you still have Georgia you still have Texas like let's assess things

1:59:12the defense hasn't been great the defense of lying a shredded last week but Florida's doing that to everybody I think it's a big self coach I mean peak oldies never had a biweek as a head coach yeah so you know you learned stuff as you go but I thought getting that LSU win was monstrous and you know you still have opportunities to get big-time wins you got the best playmaker in the country a quarterback so I think it's important timing here for Ole Miss I would say like the two best playmakers in the country quarterback are both in Mississippi so Camario Taylor at Mississippi State now the schedule is going to get interesting for him because they get absolutely fucked by the schedule makers they have Alabama at home then they go to LSU then they go to Oklahoma and then they go to Texas after that so that four game stretch and he is I think he's the most exciting quarterback in the country he's so much fun to watch Camario yeah yeah okay seems like a great dude yeah and also mean big cat agreed last week we need to just like punch anyone who starts discussing Camario Taylor by saying I wonder where he's going to play next year because I don't think he's

2:00:12going to play anywhere I think he's going to stay at Mississippi State he loves it I mean how many college quarterbacks grew up Mississippi State fans no offense yeah right yeah he did yeah he said Nick Fitzgerald was his favorite quarterback which is pretty funny because everybody was zoomed backers you know so like that but no it's it's an awesome story I look at the quarterback on the other side this week yeah PFT yeah like Bama is the team that I look at that's gotten better and better every single week and that could tuck you in coming back I think at the end of the season that's going to be a very very good win I know they're legit yeah so a lot of pressure I'm sure Brandon has the numbers on Bama and Mississippi State it's not great no huh but I say it all the time all you can ask for is an opportunity and Mississippi State has that opportunity against that team with everything you want I'm really happy for Jeff Levy man like he's you know I think it was Netflix or one of those shows where they did the all access and he loses the egg bowl and

2:01:15they have the cameras in the locker room after and it says gutting a locker room as possible but his message was when we flipped this switch it's common it's common and really cool to see that like how they every Mississippi State has to do it we just talk about Oregon Mississippi State can't do it that way yeah they have to do it their own way and I think that says a lot about Levy in the belief they've had what he's brought in as coaches I think he has four former head coaches on his staff which you want go through an SEC slate you know so big time spot for Mississippi State I can't wait you think they can win two of those next four games yes possible yes I think he you have a chance I mean I just said Bama's getting better every week Camario has gotten better every I thought he was great against Minnesota getting a huge lead on the road whatever second half you take care of business they come back they get another win at South Carolina you're on 16 nothing and then last week had to have it I mean a couple of those throws were big time throws so yes I

2:02:16believe he's he's he's capable I mean look at who would you rather have in the court at the quarterback position in those matchups you know yeah Camario yeah so he gives him a shot man it's super exciting I'm happy for Starkville yeah uh Notre Dame question for you yeah they don't play anyone they Miami Miami will be the test that's yeah I think you put Notre Dame and Miami in the same line till they play right like I want to do a thing like compiling the score of their games and what how much how big of a favorite they were it's identical every week they're 20 plus point favorites even more some Notre Dame North Carolina this week who's been a good good good good start to the season improved team 21 and a half yeah like nothing Miami's going to Clemson I think it's 17 and a half I kind of like you and seeing that came now that you said that 21 and a really so here's my question right no sorry can they run the ball because they have not been able to like it's not that you know they killed rice they killed Purdue shadow Purdue for still fighting

2:03:18and getting us that over that was insane you never get those where Purdue was running tempo down like 50 points with 10 seconds left uh but they those type of teams when Notre Dame plays them they should be running for eight yards of carry and they've been running for three yards of carry or four yards of carry so is that a concern where it's like hey Notre Dame CJ car I think he's an absolute stud me too I love I love Marcus Freeman I think he's an awesome coach the message is very clear leave no doubt they they keep talking about that you got to finish every game losing GDR and price of Jeremiah love like that's significant and now and when you get you won't even know the how significant it is unfortunately until maybe the playoffs and then you're like oh shit that was kind of a pretty nice thing to have two first round running back and I think I told you guys like at before the season at Notre Dame at LSU Ohio State I'm not going to worry about the depth of the running back position right but with Notre Dame I still don't worry about it I still

2:04:23think they have depth I look at that online having continuity but also they have look at the tight ends they've gone through and they got youth there now and I need reps man like you got you got you got the corner you need like Florida is been unbelievable Alabama in the run like you talk about teams that can run the football because that's another dying breed right of offense coordinators being stubborn enough to keep trying to run the football Notre Dame will get there but to your point because of the competition they play I mean it is all hands on deck November 7th I mean look at that slated college football games I would still bet we're going to be in South Bend for college game day because Miami's coming but the games across the country are incredible that day but to your point with Notre Dame I'm going to have them with there with Miami until they play I'm not worried like again I'm not just because I'm here I texted you this Saturday night and going into that game I believe Wisconsin's defense is in the upper tier maybe the top tier of the big 10 I agree and what impressed me

2:05:25against Notre Dame or Notre Dame against Wisconsin it was at Lambo crazy environment awesome awesome setup but I mean Wisconsin guys are flying all over the place and CJ Carge is settled down he's to his point without a run game and said all right let me take some some easy throws here and you know first down five yard hitch all right now it's second and five it's not freaking second so I think you're going to see the evolution of CJ get his team in the right play and I trust Denver off its coordinator as much as any offense coordinator in the country they'll get it figured out I am not I'm not worried about Notre Dame I think that Wisconsin defense we're going to hear a lot from yeah how much should the Dave Portinoids of the world be panicking about Michigan you know why to embrace underwood yes every single dollar and a lot of Michigan people want to talk about Ohio State and how much they spent yeah right like it's just never stop right we don't do schools uh it sucks because that might have been Bryce's best game yeah he was playing

2:06:29like I was I was flying so I had Florida Ole Miss on the iPad and I was checking the stats and I checked the stats at half time and I think it was Michigan 291 yards of offense Iowa 81 yeah oh I was I mean I would did he couldn't run ball I'm like like date I would game winning drive how long was that drive like 91 yards Chris and I would did that in a minute 16 yeah yeah that's got to be like at one one point you look at at Iowa and the entire program and you're proud of them for pulling that winoff on the other hand you're like where where the fuck has that been like for the last I don't know 25 years the ability to do that yeah they're glad that it happened but I don't know I would be I would be panicking a little bit of pos Michigan I'm in future Bryce did I actually took his I've been very critical of him yes in the middle of the game I was like Bryce is playing great today he was and it wasn't just his legs like it was the Oklahoma game but it was very basic right and I think that's where I think they had to tear it down and get back to you go back to the Oklahoma game right had to have it moment no one would all

2:07:29to talk was after the Western Michigan game he had more design run attempts than passive temps and they won and you know it wasn't a factor they fall behind a couple turnovers against you tap all right what are they going to do against Iowa basic fundamental football run the ball make throws nothing you know nothing crazy with with crazy amount of receivers and patterns you know maybe one one read throws and all that and it's working they're going up and down the field and then he throws the pick on the to your line and it's like you all that good gets a race and I think that's the case for that gaming it's Iowa there was a lot of good in there and to me everybody talked about winning him coming in and back coming in the office coordinator and he had the big turnover or turnaround at Utah and they led the country in rushing the football but when I looked back at it they had two top 15 NFL tackles on Utah so like yeah you're going to do really well in the big 12 if you have that so I wouldn't be panicking I still think Michigan's defense

2:08:29is really elite and I think you saw the versatility because that's why I want to see against Iowa would they be able to hang in there against Oklahoma you're gonna you're gonna rush tree you're gonna drop a you're in a mirror the court like everybody has that as long as you have the personal Michigan has that and then to be able to do what they did defensively and in play in that in that box that Iowa makes you playing was impressive until Iowa spread them all the last try yeah and I think the one thing you could say about Bryce in that game because you didn't play so great is that the the problem is you are limited when you get into situations where you need to get a first down like they like Michigan had the ball twice in the fourth quarter where it's like get three first downs games over they go run run run and then a incomplete pass they go the I think the last drive they had was 45 seconds they go run run run and I was it like they don't trust him no to do it there and those are the plays like if you can mix in a pass on second down and when they're not looking for it yeah you could maybe win that game and never Iowa never get some ballback yeah

2:09:31but to your point you knew you know what they were gonna do they got all the way there you know you you lose the lead 14 13 you come right back um but I think you're gonna see it you know they're gonna open it up more uh Buchanan's stud hider the running back is an absolute stud yep if they could figure out you know get more uh consistency on the offensive line I believe Michigan will be fine oh yeah their state comes in they go to Ohio state I think they go out to Oregon or I know Indiana I think they have to play okay um so again though they have opportunities yeah they put that's all you asked for they host uh so they they host Penn State they host Indiana they have to go to Oregon and then go to Ohio State I yeah I mean I I think they're deep but they obviously can't lose because they're gonna get dinged for the Western Michigan whether they realize it or not like if they if there are two lost team and there's another two lost team I think they will lose a time yeah but I mean if they if they go what if they went three and one against those four yeah no that would be impressive that's gonna be what you're stacking yeah and I think their

2:10:32defense will keep them in every game no doubt absolutely uh can we talk real quick about Wisconsin that was awesome yeah but I don't even so I was just happy for the first time in a very long time on a Saturday like I I didn't even think about the Penn State of it I was just thinking the whole time like I cannot believe we won this game down 17 nothing Colton Joseph roller coaster just like just a terrible pick six the intercepts right after our defense is legit posing Catalano like those guys are just dudes absolutely dudes um but so I I not to like you know the the gloting is done because you got to keep winning and I'm starting to look at the schedule and be like oh shit could we rip off a few here Penn State though uh-huh that was a bad loss and Rocco back to look really bad a lot of credit for Wisconsin defense and Matt Campbell like there's obvious I think the Penn State fan base knows they have to like like hey it's okay it's okay like talk themselves down but

2:11:32if you can't beat Wisconsin when you're up 17 nothing at home this might be a long season for Penn State yes but all anyone did was talk about the schedule preseason yeah right I did all it was and and and I love back Campbell the deal with Matt Campbell you're gonna be in every game every game you're gonna be in and back what 114 yards pass ugly you did have this best weapon obviously very yeah and I will say that judging defenses proves to me Wisconsin elite defense the 17 that they got yeah pick six and a pick and uh and yeah opposing territory yep so that's 14 right there so for Wisconsin to climb back he also made a third of win the game and the guy dropped the ball in the end zone tight and tight and Penn State's got to catch that football win the football game okay Rocco back was bad I know but in that last drive he made multiple plays to win that game and he had no one step up yeah but he had a bad game correct but like it it wasn't all bad he made

2:12:32he made plays to win the game yeah he was bad I know he was bad for like for yeah you got a lot for a lot of the game earlier Max you're up 17 nothing Wisconsin when this or did did Penn State lose this Max I'm just I'm just giving credit where credit is due like it wasn't all him he did you said he didn't have his best player and he yeah in that last drive it didn't it didn't result in a touchdown but I think that like he at least showed some fighting that in that last fight yeah fight we don't ever worry about fighting that he played a objectively bad football game yeah yeah but no we're not gonna win that game up 17 nothing yeah yeah that's yeah you got to you got to find first downs we like to yeah especially knowing Wisconsin like our offense is an explosive no obviously that Jacob Harris that was that might be the fastest guy in the world how about the stiff arm yeah yeah unbelievable I just have a question we've been talking a while like did he just hear Penn State yeah he got mad he got mad a little bit there thank you that no I will I don't know I I mean rock yeah yeah talk about that drop touchdown you gotta talk about the

2:13:36drop gotta talk about yes you're acting like that that is like an encounter punch a part of the football yeah you gotta talk about he sees it that I'm not acting like I'm saying you have to watch you have to you have to talk about it we saw it you gotta say you gotta say what's the fillies rotation gonna be it's a great question great question we got to see if we got to miss great questions you have for every one of those guys ladies I mean guys like why are we not talking about the last one I'm like wait I'm like play bad I mean it was 12 for 29 for a hundred percent yeah as somebody who watched that I did I did bet on Wisconsin but I did I don't have like a rooting interest yeah I would not say that Penn State should have won that game and also we didn't say Rockleback gave up we're not like oh he's he gave up and he didn't try like yeah they he they almost did a few plays on that last drive where it was like shit that ball is right there to your point about the Western Michigan game people are gonna hold out against Michigan yeah that game for Penn State because they're not they don't have a lot of opportunities no no they got to run

2:14:37that they got to have the table yeah that weighs a lot more I'm gonna hold against you right I will stays right he knows well we'll we'll bring up this loss many more times but our people are Penn State fit like I think Penn State fans might freak out a little bit on Matt Campbell because Matt Campbell remember was not the first choice so that changes it a little bit where it's like you don't get the guy that you wanted and and and have the time to say oh well he's got to get figured out you got you're like six choice after a long process if this season goes bad or they gonna be like what the fuck is going on yeah I just don't think it's gonna get to that point okay I do have I love what Matt did you know uh bringing guys uh back Dan and Lynn came back uh Mowdy the old Penn State linebacker like infusing Penn State you know where it's very touchy with you know what happened in the past there I think he's he's smart enough to do the right thing it's just crazy looking at the schedule and being like oh Northwestern's actually a tough game oh that's a big one yeah like Northwestern is a tough game on Friday night yeah yeah they're in proof team

2:15:41yes yeah um we mentioned him earlier but Will Stein he is listening to this podcast right now as you're saying yeah so just be aware of that um what what should the expectation be for him because I I can't get enough of him I think he's I think he's like a walking sound bite after a game when he uh was at the A&M game hmm just awesome dude feels like a guy would want to play for if I was like you know obviously a football player but um they've got a tough schedule coming up uh huh tricky spot this week I can't believe in them absolutely I think uh what I learned about Will Stein was I thought he went into one of the toughest jobs um going back to Oregon because when he went there you had Kenny Dillingham make bone-decks look like still to me the best version of bone-decks I've ever seen like I still haven't seen it the pros and so here comes Will Stein so like what do you do you you're the offense coordinator do you bring your own stuff in do you adapt do you run a bunch of Kenny stuff that you know made bone-decks good and bone-decks took another step with Will Stein

2:16:44like that's really tricky like you need to talk about egos and all that and like I'm gonna do it my way and new coach is coming in it's gonna be energy and tempo and you know we're gonna play you know faster than anybody all all this stuff that was a really tricky spot and they didn't lose a B and even improved so with that I mean have you seen his interest is to the stadiums with with the boom bot I mean it's it's really good and I you know you didn't know much about uh Will Stein but I I think that fan base and him having that deal of being a Louisville guy yeah now I'm wearing blue I think it's awesome and I look at uh this week as a big spot because now the expectations how have you tempered those you know they were they can't slow on so I get south of how bad yeah and then they end up covering uh big second half so South Carolina's that rock bottom mm-hmm but it's still an SEC road game mm-hmm and I believe South Carolina's favorite yeah I mean it's a desperation that's scary it is never seen no Dylan Stewart yeah so big spot for for coach that I mean this is to take that

2:17:49next step or you start talking about eight nine wins you get you got to win this one is on is yeah minus two and a half is being recreated for a job I don't it's not really South Carolina does it seem like I mean that job is tough whoa it's a job it's job is to coach so he is coaching for a job that's oh okay just a fact yeah plan works I knew one was coming we do you get me every time I'm sorry but I mean it doesn't seem like it's going well no but it's far as like spend your best player and like he obviously wasn't listening he might have some other stuff going on like this kind of a pattern form at this point but just like not listening to your coach and like blatantly disobeying him I feel like he had to suspend him for that game but still not it feels like he might be in danger losing the locker room mm-hmm the other thing is this is in the first time what Stewart right there's been past instances so I just going into the year I thought they were going to be approved because I thought in the office coordinator new online coach was just what when our sellers needed and it hasn't looked great I mean up 16 nothing in specific state and

2:18:53you can't win that game you have to win that game so again another chance yeah here to what we've much talked about Kentucky team it's it's what makes this this the whole thing awesome yeah it's if you you obviously follow the NFL quite a bit I just wondering from your your experience you saw this weekend PJ Fleck at the end of the game yes wiping his own quarterbacks blood on his face and celebration could Drake may learn a lot about how to handle blood on your hand from PJ Fleck you tell me the blood from soda I'm talking about the blood fumble that Drake may have uh maybe yeah Drake maybe that's what they're calling yeah yeah boy I learned a lot about the cave and their feelings about Drake may yesterday well I'm ready to leave the cave I'm rooting for the guy yeah yeah Drake may lover literally left the cave I mean and we're not talking about hang no no there is an actual name Hank is just a trick may like it yeah okay he's

2:19:55thanks sound bad right now but he's gonna pick it up I thought Ravel saying is very concerned that's what we were talking about on the show it's like that's a shocking thing for him to say yeah that's not normally something he would say is like we just got to have you know we got to get back to work and blah blah blah coach speak being like I'm very concerned because also Trevor Lawrence what he did was down right rod yeah yeah yeah yeah so that knee at the at the end but that's more kind of a way worse all way worse that's what I'm looking yeah yeah uh all right last couple questions who do you have winning the world series you you turned to me yesterday in the cave yep and you by the way gave Max and I yeah you called me up uh I was like a maybe mid-August Max right there when you were like you're like hey Philly's plus 600 to 80 eight eight yeah plus 800 to win the NL East I was like fucking I'm gonna bet it whatever they made up six games in a week and then they just right there yeah it was a great for a minute but what are you doing

2:20:56like a jinx on the Philly's because you're a met's fan because then you turn to me in the cave and you're like Philly's Yankees world series yeah what do you know me so it is you have a little scratch yeah the teams you despise yeah and I mean that Philly's what was that oh nine yeah like couldn't watch TV yeah so you could watch the game Philly's yeah I couldn't watch sports center like it was I was two so yeah better yeah I think it's but I don't actually don't care about either of those teams I think I don't do like a difference been not caring and not liking yeah like I have to bet the Brewers to win the world series okay yeah but you don't hate I do I started no dude I hate their fucking manager he's such he's he's this year time old guy oh this year's he's he's he gives the coach K vibes of like when they lose oh watch it when they when they when they loot yeah you're yeah a little dukey over there when they lose he's like we're just the scrappy underdog low you know small market teams like dude you guys win a hundred games every single year

2:21:58in the regular season shut the fuck up I don't like him so he's pissed me off what are you looking out I think it's chicken the plus five thousand for Philly's Yankees world series I mean that's good I bet it yes sir you have to admit it's good value every one of the Philly's has played in the postseason that's what you want in postseason baseball it's poorly you got the experience there's no Philly's bet you gave us was a real bet that wasn't a troll bet because it would no I you hate everyone in the NLE so it wouldn't make yeah I honestly thought that's gonna happen you hate the braves too so it's not yeah that was like it or their mascot oh bloopy he's gone though really well I heard them they changed bloopy bloopy left for to be I think work for the lions yeah so it's a new bloopy new bloopy that Detroit yeah yeah new bloopy that he moved train he going the world as a train moving up in the world yeah yeah what's the NFL oh yeah yeah so no you know bloopy sent me a whole match has been like dude it's been fun going hand the new job sure no it's yeah I know Muppets can write yeah and then and then new bloopy just

2:23:03it isn't the same like I just know there's no they still that runs fast flash or whatever also yeah Max is right that he's pulling up right now bloopy kind of was ended when when the Philly's bully them offline remember that this is my favorite three to all time fill these fans bully the braves mascot into an online meltdown ahead of NLDS matchup that's a mask yeah that's it that's a real that's a real headline yeah no city of Philadelphia had bloopy in hell uh speaking of the great city of Philadelphia Max I was talking to Kelsey about we're going there for Monday football Cowboys game and I was talking to him and he's like hey do we favor where Cowboys jersey to the game I was like what I'm like it's not big he's like don't even think about yeah he's like if you want to get pummeled where a Cowboys jersey so shut up I'll be at that game yep all right go love it all right uh rowback question are job ack.com promo code take 20% off the first purchase Qzips polo's hoodies

2:24:05jogger shorts rowback great stuff best stuff uh also thank you Steve for coming by it's been awesome seeing you we don't have and I don't think the pairs have another Monday I can't maybe cubs world series cubs philly you're picking every fucking cubs cubs philly I do the mean the pops balls I do the mean be the podra's after that I don't love our chances I would love to see the cubs definitely right in the world series right yeah I I do I don't see the cubs for the philly's and then I'd like to see the cubs play the white socks in the world series yeah that's what I want I speak in a troll I almost bought a white sock shirt to wear here to troll you Dan listen they're in they're in the playoffs fun they're no he's going to what well they sell out oh yeah oh yeah well they don't they're on the road they're at the Astros but if they know they'll be yeah they'll have an awesome yeah awesome crap okay uh probably a future Pope in the crowd possible Zach what's up Dave how did they sir I did I did have a quick question do you have an extreme

2:25:06dark horse candidate for hysmans here you think you come to fruition oh preseason it was um Nick Fraser at Georgia he didn't even play last week I don't think uh I think it's really hard now to be an extreme dark horse in win the hysmans um do you have the odds he's pulling it up right now pulling it up what's uh keeling Russell keeling Russell 16 to 16 to 1 I don't I don't hate you know I don't hate got our stocked in 28 to 1 Georgia runs the table he I mean he's never gonna have the I just don't best numbers the hysmans yeah he's awesome I love him but you know you need wow moments you know I know I know I know keeling right like if keeling beat it has the wow if he beats Mississippi state this week and like again over 300 yards like you're gonna see him way at the top yeah the odds right now I feel like melokitoni might be not a bad guy

2:26:07it's in that room there's that 18 men's I don't miss his mixes up higher but like if he if melokitoni goes off they need they need like the Charles Woodson effect he's got to return ponds he's got to throw passes and as we were talking before they're gonna have the opportunity to do whatever they want offensively so he's gonna have the the the moments uh but what's he right now uh 18 or 19 I can't see real good I think 19 19 okay melokire keeling does I like those a lot all right but uh is ball the leader now Smith Smith oh yeah Smith yeah Smith speaking of not extreme dark horses about Nico 60 to one right now you silly is good you see a la is a good team handsome bob the problem is it's the way night show yeah if you're gonna be betting on Nico who hasn't really played shocker you're taking night side opposed to the well I mean he is like not a jame he's one of the best running backs in the country um undoubtable his story's pretty nuts too his story's crazy and then brother yeah yeah then they get they get a week off and then Oregon and Bob's not afraid of Oregon we

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2:30:18I'm very sore and I feel like I'm getting more sore uh about a minute uh I'll probably be more sore after this after this uh this phone call that I am when I started it but uh it's a good sore man I woke up this morning still smiling man what a what an incredible 24 hours I mean the last week itself has just been nuts and to to cap it off with a night like last night I mean soldier feel at night I mean somebody cool memories there and just to add to it last night oh my gosh man it was it was uh it was electric so much fun man yeah yeah it was so much fun to watch you play live and I'm I'm wondering through the week because I think a lot of bears fans they didn't know what to expect going into this game they don't know you know if you still have it in the tank I don't know if you felt confident in yourself uh but going into Monday night like were there nerves there was their confidence what was what were your emotions like going into the game oh my gosh man yeah I mean somebody nerves um and probably for me man I just I care a bunch I love this game I love what I do

2:31:22and man I put so much into this I mean you and I believe the amount of hours that I put into it just this week alone um I mean the last three years coming back from injury um you know rehab in uh I told a lot of people I was basically ready to ready to call it quits you know and be done play football and Ben calls me I'm in Hawaii at the NFLPA event and uh you know I get a call from Ben Johnson he's like hey you know you still want to comply I was like I mean now let's meet and talk about it and we met and talked about it for uh supposed to be about 15 minutes and two and a half hours later I was like where do I sign let's freaking do this man I'm ready to run through a brick wall for that man that's awesome would you guys talk about for two hours just like you're trying to figure out if you wanted to be a bear like could you've probably could have figured that out after like a couple minutes right I knew pretty quickly that I was like okay this is this is where I need to be but we just we we agreed on so many things and started talking about ball on this and that and it just it's like when you just when you meet somebody the first time and you're like wait wait you

2:32:25did this like and then and we'll just agree on just about everything on and uh I don't know it just it got me gifte up excited and uh man it really helped me kind of spark that love the football again and it's been just a magical year and a half I mean last year I know you guys fall along very closely big cat I know um godly man we we'd come in after games and be like does this really happening like yeah and uh man it's just it's a special group of guys man Ben's a special man and uh I'm just I'm just happy to be along for the ride yeah it was uh he is he's the absolute man I have a question about him but I do want to say uh I did get on the right side of history it took me till 6.46 pm last night so it was about 35 minutes before kickoff I don't hate no I wasn't hating I was like I don't know what to expect I was like eat I mean I just I'd imagine that there was moments where you're like I haven't played enough few years here like live action so I the all week I was like look I think I trust him Ben and I

2:33:29I feel like anything can happen then at 6.46 I was driving into the office to stream the game and I tweeted I've talked myself into it case key I'm gonna be awesome tonight so I got in right before I got you and then yeah I was there I was just in the nick of all those messages my buddies back home we're saying about how you all the stuff you were saying all week that's not true you you know which right before did I say anything bad about case key I say I was nervous listen if anybody I might have said I wouldn't say even bad things just we we again we didn't know what to expect yeah I think I called you the Andy Dalton of Cooper rushes oh that's probably what it was yes that I don't know that's the thing is like we I don't know it sounded right at the time and I'm not I called you the Patrick Mahomes of Cooper rushes yeah so yeah I'm I was actually had your back I'm not a hater listen I got my site I got myself psyched up for an entire season of of case key I'm going into what year is that 2019 with the commanders yeah I was yeah I was right I was the team formerly known as the Redskins yeah you you you I see

2:34:33like that was the stuff that I was seeing because I was like listen I think you know he's he's been in the system he's obviously knows it but then there's stats like case key to was the last quarterback to start for the St. Louis Rams and the Washington Redskins and like case key to him hasn't thrown a ball over 20 yards and so but going into the game obviously you're practicing you know you know you're at the ones but was there any part of you that's like this might be different as soon as we get to lie bullets because it hasn't happened in a while yeah I mean you can't help it I mean then Laura Laura Rutledge right before the games like case you know it's been a thousand whatever nine days yes and I'm like no I didn't know that thank you like I don't know I honestly I had such a great mindset the day of I put in such a great week of work that the guys like I trusted the guys I trusted the plan where I'm at in my career like seeing the game the same way has been and us being able to meet and talk at such a high level and you know call plays and like my favorite plays of

2:35:35the week were his favorite place and wound up in the first 15 and you saw how the the you know the first drive it was just and it felt like we got into a rhythm he got me very comfortable very quick and the guys just stepped up everybody stepped up relief I thought Luther really looked like some Luther from last year um Colson's getting going um man the line I thought they they fought their their tails off and man it was just it was electric and the defense I mean you can't say enough about the defense I mean it's it really isn't carry over from last year like just making huge turnovers when we need it and I mean they were they were one second away from putting up a goose egg yeah yeah no it was it was a close was that snap it was right on it but we had one too you're touched out which by the way did you did you call your own number on that play well it was just it was a it was a play with another play killed to it and if we got the right look um yeah a little little sucker sneak there um it was good for guards and just kind of sneak underneath there it was

2:36:41a little bit of a a gutsy gutsy play but uh I thought the guys upstairs did a great job putting together a really good plan I mean from top to bottom including that play uh was was really fun to see it see it come to life yeah and I also I mean I never I never gave up on case games because I know you saw it you retweeted it but I woke up this morning and everyone was retweeting from 2019 when I said RIP case kingdom I look forward to win I look forward to him winning a random game in five years as a backup literally I know it would be for the Bears I'm gonna football I was two years off it was seven years ago a backup backup backup backup and then did you see the first reply to that tweet in 2019 I ever looked on it what was it someone someone in 2019 just said Bears question mark so that guy knows even even more than I do it was incredible but then here we did it's an exception man you're an exception to yeah so I want to talk about Ben Johnson real quick I saw the quote that all week you put your phone on do not disturb and the only people who get through is your wife and Ben Johnson and you take a guess who who who called you and and hit you up more

2:37:45was it just constant like Ben Johnson being like because I imagine we've met him a couple times he's just got he's always on and he's always like locked in so was he just sending you stuff in being like I got this idea I got this idea and just kind of like peppering you because that feels like his vibe yeah I was back and forth and actually I did that because one of the days early in the week I kind of locked myself I'm in here in the QB room and locked myself in here and I'm studying I'm looking through stuff and I'm you know I'm hitting a groove and I didn't realize it but he had called me two or three times in Texas and then finally he like somebody shows up in here and I'm like kind of locked in and like oh hey he's like dude come on we got to meet and talk about some stuff and I'm like oh okay that's when I need to put him on the do not disturb less so yeah I can be ready to reply and get some get some more work done quickly but yeah I mean he he is there's a lot of coaches that say you know the Hayes and the Barn have you ever heard that saying like on that the end of the week on Fridays fast Friday we're done the Hayes and the Barn Ben says there is no

2:38:46hay and there is no barn so he's he's putting stuff in at the last minute and you know some of our best plays you know our stuff that he's he's coming with constantly late in the week yeah could you feel that that that QB draw was going to be open because they were disrespecting your legs they were saying cases and going around the ball they're saying he's afraid to take it up the middle I don't know if you you felt that on the field it was very easy to see on TV it's like they don't think that you're going to run and then at the last that was a beautiful sneak at the last moment yeah they probably heard Troy and everybody talking about when the last time I had a Russian touchdown was or whatever that that was 2009 or whatever yeah so I mean they they check to the the front got their kind of the last minute again it was another you know we got out of the puddle a little bit late but a little nerve-racking man but but a drive I think that was like a 16 play drive I mean it was it was a huge drive they're late in the game that man just playing

2:39:47complimentary football towards the end really sealed the deal for us and you know there was so many great plays there on that drive and just happy to seal the deal there at the end yeah there's there was one play that I saw the all 22 of today where there were two wide receivers that ended up running through the C gap at the line of scrimmage yes plays like that is it I mean you've played a lot of football before is it is it hard to remember all the new plays that you're put in in every week when there's weird shit like that that's coming in all the time or is it like it's so unusual and creative at times that it's easy for somebody to sit down and memorize those plays I would I would I would not say it's easy I mean it's another language you know we've spent now two years learning the same language and you know I don't know how many plays there are but I mean there's there's so many plays in a given week and you've run them you know you get a chance to run them a few times walk through them but you mentally walk walk through them to where it's just like okay

2:40:49this is a fast fit to get in Charlie Wright squeeze shovel weasel kill pop Navy Lucy bow and it's just like you're in and out and you I hear Ben in all he says is fast fit and I'm like okay I'm already know what we're about to call what we're about to play I know the cadence I know the front I need to get to you know and I need to you know know exactly what I'm looking at the reads for the next play if I do have to kill to the next place so that if you know a situation like on the goal line where we break the huddle with 10 seconds left the guys line up quickly we get to the right play call and execute so nothing really easy about that but man when you got guys like we got that are willing to work come in every day and put in a lot of work man it's it's a lot of fun when it comes together especially on on prank time yeah so obviously you're playing in the game you don't see the broadcast so I don't know if someone told you but they at during the broadcast they put it up on the screen that you've been in the NFL for over a decade and you still have

2:41:50more yards and touchdowns in college football which that like on it's basically like oh that's insult no I took it as people need to remember how fucking good you were in college football and how like you were an absolute gunslinger 48 touchdowns five interceptions in in your senior year uh what I mean what was that like playing in that offense where you're just every single game you're like I know I'm just gonna rip the ball and it's gonna be it just seemed like so much fun and it was so much fun to watch you play college football oh it was a blast man it was it was so much fun um you know coach arc briles was there when I first got going coach someone came in cliff kings Barry we had so many great coaches in that system of like a kind of a branch off of the air raid and what coach leach was doing at Texas Tech that um and honestly like um for stats you know for offensive stat our defense wasn't great and so we had to score 50 points if we were going to win a game and we've even lost games scoring 50 points but gotley we just went out and and slung it I

2:42:52remember one time a cool cliff story that we were playing in the armed forces bowl against air force uh this was like my junior year and just kind of his mentality we go out and I throw three interceptions in the first first half and uh it wasn't going very good he comes in at halftime he's like case I don't care he's like I don't care if you throw 10 touchdowns this next half or 10 interceptions we're gonna keep slinging it dude and uh my alright let's go and it gave me the ultimate confidence and you know what I went we went out there and our three three more interceptions in the second half but man that's just that's just his mentality and and and it was contagious man our whole our whole offense and whole team man we were just gun slingers and we just love going out there and slinging it and you know it may not work every time but uh it worked a lot of the time yeah it's a lot of yards a lot of touchdowns a lot of completions and and uh it was a lot of fun yeah it would that was so much fun to watch those teams one thing I was really impressed with last night the hard count hard count still there um hard count is that go yeah I jumped I just

2:43:56does that get better with age because I feel like that's one thing like that's going to be as good if not better than it's ever been yeah I get in gas to jump with your mouth is always you know get the better with age a little bit so yeah I enjoy uh I enjoy good hard count um uh you know just trying to make it sound the same every time uh and man we we practice those type plays and it when it works it it's uh it's uh it's nice and in big situations that was a huge breakdown for person there to be able to do that on yeah um all right so I just saw this uh uh tweet so last night you had 247 yards three total touchdowns 24 for 34 your pf grade just came out you got a 18 out of 100 was that good no it's really bad oh darn I just made that up I did like you saying that the the sack that didn't have yeah I love that I mean it's just I don't know it's it's fun to have like this is where I feel like you're in the point to where you can have fun with it and it's like

2:44:58yeah sports should be fun I know they're serious but yeah I don't care I mean I I pf is great on on like for us breaking down film and I can go search and find stuff and there's you know they have all these people that grade every little thing that goes on an NFL as far as like uh where guys line up then what the formation is and what the coverage was and maybe what it was a pass or run or a deep pass or short pass or one of the ride to left or slant when you start in grades it's just so hard and I know there's a ton of takes out there on all this right now and I haven't seen a bunch of them but the intent of of the play and the design is so hard for somebody who has no idea what's what's going on to grade on um and then also like I just I never really like the Sinai football like you get guys like it's a dream as a kid yeah to be able to say case kingdom university of Houston you know like and and get announced on Monday night for Sinai football and like and then to have that little you know right here you know that's like

2:46:0128 out of 30 you know and I'm like that nobody nobody wants to see that I mean I don't know I just I don't know so yeah yeah when it's like deadlash you're like oh fuck this is my big moment and I'm deadlash yeah you know what we need more people like uh me and pft here who we know what we know we know what we don't know we're not going to grade uh and talk about like play designs we're going to do the meatball thing of criticizing a coach when it comes to timeouts and going for it on fourth down because that stuff we can understand we get that we play video games and we always play the results so it's like if you don't get the fourth down that was a bad decision if you did get the fourth down that was a great decision and then we just say afterwards like two hours later like oh it should have called a time out there I also like to say that like uh you know yeah fourth down clock management that's good but if that doesn't work I'll just be like you got to want it more yeah that you don't want it enough you don't deserve to win you can't get one yard yeah stuff like that obviously no scheme there just a lot of them up and play yeah we are lucky enough

2:47:04to work around a lot of uh former professional athletes and some that work right here at Barstow like uh Paul Bistonette he played for the coyotes he was in the NHL for a very long time it was kind of a goon tough guy and I talked him one time about about showers and just like after a game and he would have a healthy scratch situation sometimes he wouldn't play but he would still shower with the boys afterwards um I saw Caleb Williams wearing a bathrobe in the locker room after the game did he shower with the team yeah I love that that's camaraderie that's that's leadership yeah yeah well why not I mean there's some of the best some of the best post game like stories like you're in there sugs and up and like dude you remember remember that in the middle of that play where we like locked eyes and like didn't like I don't yeah I don't know I have some great memories in there and uh I don't know there's something something about that I don't know it's like more stories when everyone's yeah it's like before the media comes in before everyone leaves to

2:48:07their own families well the media is in there that's the only place that they really can't go now right right that's the only place we can actually talk in the locker room now so until we get the the media out of the locker room after games you know that's not it's not gonna happen I wish showers were gonna just become that much more sacred yeah I wish Caleb had kept his glasses on the whole night he looked so fucking cool you're all big in his mustache what do you think about his mustache yeah the only thing and I obviously love Caleb and uh the only thing I I would say about his mustache he needs to shave his uh like the rest of it more often because his jaw is fucking awesome right now and now I'm sounding ridiculous as since I just said as ridiculous but his jaw is so sick and I he needs to let it pop more okay that was a crazy thing to me say all right I'm gonna ask a last question that's not weird uh dude how could how good of a kid show is blueie because I saw you talking about it uh I have three little kids it's showers and adult show it might be both the best part about blueie is that the episodes are short so when I like my three-year-old

2:49:08I work part yeah well no but it's the best part because like I have a 75 and three-year-old and when my three-year-old says I want to watch one more I want to watch what I'm like well for watching blueie I'm like you know what I'm gonna let you watch two more because it's like that's nothing you know and he doesn't know he doesn't know how time works yeah yeah oh two more you're the best dad in the world yeah but it's wait did you do some blueie this morning I guess it was school you know what uh yeah well we all we all slept in a little bit and uh they did a half day but we did we did actually we watched a little bit of the game they wanted to see themselves on TV oh that's awesome uh called and we're like uh this is my sister's kids and they could care less about the game but they were like they could not believe that their cousins were on TV and so they got to see them and then cadence got to show off her her pants there that she got the little uh bill bottoms in uh so we did a little bit of that had some victory waffles that's a kingdom family tradition oh my wife Kimberly always makes victory waffles they are excellent that's a perfect morning

2:50:09oh my gosh good morning came in here get some bodywork uh they gave me an extra massage slot here in uh in the the training room so I'm feeling a bit better yeah dear kids I mean that that was the coolest part of last night not to get sentimental but the fact that like you even said it like my kids didn't really believe that I played in the NFL because they were so young so they believe it now right like that's such a special moment to be able to share that with them yeah I mean for them it's just football work right that's going to football work and you know honestly it makes them more sad you know yeah they get to come up here and play on the turf and you know run around and come to training camp and uh you know do some other fun stuff uh you know I'm I'm really thankful for those videos and I mean Scott Vimp help you know talking to cadence like that and doing some of that because I think that they'll remember that maybe based on the the videos and the memories that that are created now through that so um yeah I mean it's really special you know you know announced at soldier field as a start and quarterback in the Chicago Bears I mean a lot of

2:51:14things to smile about and uh you know talk to you guys yeah you know day after come on man you shouldn't mean case uh I might I might have to to like however the rest of the season goes I might have to throw out a tweet though being like that was awesome from case Keenam can't wait for five years from now when he wins another game is a backup just extend it just keep going there's that's it yeah I was full full gray beard at that time yeah yeah all right last question rowback question rho back.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Qzips polo's hoodies jogger shorts rowback.com promo code take thank you so much case it's been so much fun Zach you got a last question for case oh yes sir all right I'm doing case I did have a quick question uh 38 you got a lot of life to live but at the same time that is a super established age to be cubic one under center and I was just curious like you know after you get the win last night you plays well as you did things kind of settle down and you do check the phone what are the guys back home saying like was it just absolutely nuclear like what what was the the sentiment among among the boys you know it's it's

2:52:20funny it's a lot of the same questions that you guys are asking you know like how sore are you dude yeah um yeah they're all I mean they're all super pumped my phone is still blowing up uh it's so fun to have you know so many so many crews man just in my corner um you know there's a there's a group of guys uh back in Houston and our and our little group of you know elementary school our little league you know all the coaches in the little league I'm a I'm coach pitch for for my son Kyler seven year old and they're all they're all you know give me a hard time about pitching you know on on the mound for the for the bunker hill expos and you know how that paid off now on Monday night football also um and little stories like that but yeah give me a hard time and and but really pumped for me it's uh it is fun man doing one for all the middle-aged white dudes out there yeah representation matters well I see you on TV and I'm like I could do that yeah yeah yeah also we're uh we're gonna we're gonna take up for you uh the the college football hall of

2:53:24fame rules or make no sense I still don't understand it but you should be a college football hall famer so we're gonna start making some calls appreciate that yeah yeah it's bullshit all right there's just the rules make it clear it in existence man just like you do yeah I got it I got it all right well case thank you so much man we really appreciate you doing this and uh get you know maybe maybe get some extra sleep I don't even know I I you like I mean yeah I I can I I spray my ankle walking off like a curb and I'm done for months but I also'm not a pro athlete so you're the man appreciate you guys I'll take your advice say I'll get some sleep all right thanks KC case okay let's finish up the show we've got FAQs yeah hey fam what's up hey fam shout out memes long-suffering fan of jets meds nicks not anymore want to know what old PMT bits do you miss and might bring back as a one-time special pistach thanks oh I'll say it I

2:54:24it had to stop I do miss calling one to die extra had to stop but I miss it it was doing some locker room talk talking pussy with them yeah I was fun but it had to stop I think um if we were going to bring back who's the most famous person yourself phone I think I already manual would have been a good one for that oh yeah although he was not famous though he's just powerful with it's right he's got oh asking hey yeah he might be a powerful phone oh yeah I'd say like him Rico Bosco probably the most powerful two phones in there too yeah and if if Ari's on the East Coast and Rico got RAB yeah for sure how many jumpsuits does yeah yeah what do you say man you guys wash your apples that's a good bit yeah first boob first boob that last one episode I do have a dream of uh I don't know I shouldn't have whatever uh I do think it'd be funny if we could ever figure out we've toyed with it of Zach picking up our guests in Vanne Woodhead and doing like a little

2:55:28pre-interview or bringing them exit interview to but pre-interview would be funny too warm them up I just the idea of Zach picking up like a famous person in Vanne Woodhead it have to be the problem is it have to be someone who like we really know because I don't know a lot of people who come through this office I don't think we'd be like hey don't worry about don't worry about getting you know an uber or a driver to take you here we've got a guy who's been in multiple accidents he's gonna pick you up in a 1994 Chevy conversion van and things are still frame yeah Steve would have been Steve would have been perfect that would have been a good one for it Steve would have been perfect yet you would have gotten it yeah I should have played along yeah um I would like to bring back uh at some point one question with a quarterback yeah those are always good yeah also Hank I like your quarterback rankings you did quarterback right he did he did part of my take active QB rankings oh case kingdom was one here's one nice Jacobi was set to Marcus Mario to three drink may four

2:56:32Gino Smith five Jalen heard six Justin Herbert seven okay and no baker bickers not act okay no Jalen Daniels I haven't seen a play yeah I think he threw a Hail Mary deep ball deep ball in completions but deep but he sent it he did send those facts let us see a little something all right uh with the sports equinox upon us how do the fellas paradise what to watch how to explain to family and friends that you will be devoting all your time to taking all the sports yeah this is just the best time of the year it is yeah I just thought I'm not gonna sleep this week uh and multiple TVs that's really it and it's the best it's the absolute best so uh you gotta just say hey we're blessed to live in these times do I wish the cups were playing at nine p.m. yeah I do but you just surviving advance figure it out this is the best time best week of the year well no

2:57:35your best week of the year is uh first week of the NBA playoffs and in a nutshell and it's just like talking yeah you're true first yeah round what are you looking forward to the most about hockey season hey so much ask him in April yeah uh no more cussing in Carolina 84 games there's 84 games yeah two games that's a force are you in 84 no god no like a two you're gonna be two or a tour speak a tour tour tiger by law nope uh what is the preparation like wait wait what do you mean no you don't you don't even know what I'm gonna say I'm moderating your next thing my my tour tagly vote quote I'm just moderating this is this is good job on right segment this would this would have been good for second one I'm out of segment one is a block okay oh yeah yeah we can save it uh what is the preparation like when you do is interviews with college coaches professional athletes etc how much

2:58:35of it is predetermined such as questions you want to ask how much of it just goes based off the flow of conversation and what they say oh yeah I mean we we do take notes before an interview and we know have a general idea of what we're gonna talk about it also depends on the interview like a college coach on for 15 minutes I'm not doing like a ton of prep because we know we only have 15 minutes if it's a sit down interview maybe grit week or chill week that's a lot of prep that's a lot of like trying to figure out what's a good question yeah stories that we can bring out of them so yeah it goes up and down and obviously when we have I think I think most people love it when we have recurring guests that get the show like say I received like that's that doesn't take any prep that's just talking ball yeah there's there's some coaches too that kind of fit into that category we're just gonna chop it we're gonna talk about whatever's going on but then there's the first interviews that we have some guys and then we typically have notes but you also want to kind of see where the

2:59:36interview is going and and feel the direction and yeah like engage in active listening active listening yeah do you ever have a take where you realize halfway through that is probably wrong but you're just committed to defending it at that point all it's not like yeah for example when PFT said that you got got by more than one account not just football career I did get got by more than one account no you got got by one account but then he researched so it was fun yeah I did well it was what happened with multiple counts there were there were lots of quote tweets of that tweet that I saw and and failed to realize it was from that same original account but yeah we do it all time yeah all the time yeah you just get into a take and you're like what are you getting almost all my takes yeah you just get what and once you start it you just have to stay international football yeah you can find you can find reasons for your argument after the fact oh yeah easily easily when yeah just double down yeah I mean and then you know every now and then you just be like yeah

3:00:40it was wrong but then just cover up the wrong with a even more wrong or take just keep going right memes yes sometimes you just got to say good dunk and then golf lefty I am golfing lefty I almost done good good dunk let's just golf lefty yeah you cover one with the other yeah like I'm gonna get a six pack no actually I'm gonna dunk no I'm actually gonna golf lefty yeah right all three of those things could happen this year nope none of them well I guess you could golf lefty could have the dunk now and the six pack absolutely not he's been promising a six pack yeah months for years and years but it could still happen no all the dunk could never have still happened the dunk now I want you to say no to the so you're saying it all can happen like I could play in the NBA no come on let's be real they're the same there's same likelihood no yes would

3:01:41you not say that in that six month span where you're training very very hard to dunk that's that's as much as you'll ever work on those muscles on that form you had a dunking coach and also pft I don't know how time works but he's getting older right yeah he's 35 now I'm pen Simmons I'm in my prime he's in his yeah you're in your prime he's in he's in his prime he's in my prime that's shame my life the mid 30s prime that everyone talks about yeah okay no dunking probably won't happen but six back and golfing no the six packs not gonna happen either Hank we might have a six pack at the super rule what what are you doing to leave together six pack the food is in the kitchen now manifesting okay yeah dream board start the twert starts that's true all right is that it yeah all right could show boys numbers three 15 say three one eight 17 five

3:02:47the Phillies definitely won right I did it I did it come for sure one yeah bullpen game against Chris sale it's probably it's probably fine it is probably probably worked out they scored more than two though right tossing I don't know I would take the under but maybe that maybe they rip it's already happens it's already happened we already talked about it I just scored more than two 86 16 13 oh you hiccup don't don't look me like it's not shocking you know what I'm saying you just made shocking mask seven seven anyone seven no one's seven close oh what you get what was your tank 17 I was five five for JD five I heard he's coming back week five did you guys

3:03:51I don't know why he's going to England if he's not trying to pull up yeah case key to him's number in Houston seven seven seven nine seven nine try to do one more happy birthday to Max for stop and happy birthday to the landing Dickerson happy birthday to uh Kieran Colken happy birthday to T pain happy birthday to Brandon's mom so happy birthday to how liby done happy birthday to mark McWire Jimmy Carter you've been pretty dialed we're harder dead correct good addition memes yeah what was it? it's a Jimmy Carter's dead oh breaking moose oh yeah

3:04:55happy birthday to David Bach Tari as well oh love you guys remember when he made me puke because he hit me so hard in the back yeah yeah yeah yeah didn't have anything to do with a million what didn't have anything to do with like the a million beers that you had that day no no he he brushed my back hard enough that I spit out we're just gonna

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