Can clergy candidates help Democrats win in red states?

0:00I'm Ayeshirasco and this is the Sunday story. Election Day is just weeks away and the stakes couldn't be higher. Democrats need to pick up four seats in the house and four in the Senate to take control of Congress. Something that might help them do it? A different kind of Democratic candidate. One who talks about faith. Jesus tells the parable of the good Samaritan. Like Sarah Trone Garriant. Everyone is your neighbor. I'm a Luke 4 Christian. Frederick Haynes. Because Jesus says the spirit of the Lord of God is upon me because he's anointed me to preach good news to the poor. And Lindsay Jays. It's about showing up for people. It's about listening without judgment. It's about offering hope and it's about telling the truth. Why are these Democratic candidates so good at talking about religion? Well, they're clergy. Unlike Republicans who aren't shy talking about religion on the campaign trail,

1:00these Democratic clergy have to thread a very fine needle. Appeal to people of faith but do so in a way that doesn't turn off the base. Meanwhile, Republicans are on their own mission to discredit these candidates. Here's Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick. I've never seen so much blasphemy from anyone running for office. And Republican businessman Joe Mitchell. I called them pinos. Pastors the name only because they're not real pastors. They don't profess the truth gospel of Jesus Christ. Today on the Sunday story, we'll take a closer look at some of these Democratic clergy candidates. Ask why they're running and whether their messages are resonating with voters. Stay with us. This message comes from Jerry. Jerry's changing how you think about car insurance. For people who like to save or shop smarter, Jerry doesn't lock you into a policy that auto-renews. Re-shop anytime by comparing up to 20 quotes side by side and switch all in the app.

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3:04Hello, it's good to be here. So Jason, at Weekend Edition, you know, my other job, we've done like a number of interviews about how religion is playing a role in politics right now. You've been covering religion for years. Did you ever think you'd see a critical mass of clergy running as Democrats? I think it's about like six or seven, depending on who you count. Well, it's certainly remarkable. After the election in 2000, I remember reporting on progressive people of faith trying to counter the Georgia W Bush administration, specifically his compassionate conservatism. But a lot of those efforts never got off the ground or just really fizzled. What's different this time around is not just talk about progressive values. This time around, it's clergy who are the candidates. People train to speak about scripture and faith and inspire people to live out that faith in public life. As many pastors will tell you, a big part of the job is rallying people around their beliefs

4:06to make a difference in political life, whether that's about health care or abortion. So before we get into the specific clergy who are running, what do you think is driving clergy who identify as Democrats to actually run for office? Like was this coordinated in some way? Well, nobody I spoke with says they were recruited specifically because they're clergy. They say they decided to run as a response to their calls to ministry, their calls to faith, their calls to public life, and a service to neighbor. They see some of the actions of the Trump administration and they say their faith compels them to take action and run. That's very interesting to see it showing up like on the left in that way. So Jason, tell me about some of these candidates. Like, who are we talking about here? I reported on two candidates from Texas and two candidates from Iowa, both states that voted for Trump in 2024. In fact, Trump carried both states by a margin of more than 13

5:09percent, so very red states. Probably the most high profile candidate is James Tallerico. He's the Democratic nominee for Senate in Texas. He's currently a state representative in the Texas House, a former middle school teacher, and a student at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary. So he's not quite clergy yet. He's a minister in training, but he does preach regularly. I want to speak to you this morning, not as a candidate, but as a fellow Christian. On a Sunday this summer, he stood at the pulpit of Brentwood Baptist Church in Houston. My granddad was a Baptist preacher in South Texas, and when I was real little, he told me that Christianity is a simple religion. Simple, he says, but not easy. Because Jesus gave us two commandments to follow. Love God and love neighbor. On this morning, Tallerico was preaching on a passage from the gospel of Luke.

6:13Sometimes we see the world most clearly through our tears. If your heart is breaking, as you watch what's happening to our beloved country, it means you still have a heart. So blessed are you who weep. Blessed are you who weep. Tallerico often frames this campaign as being on the side of those who have been harmed by policies of the Trump administration and who are upset about it, those who weep. He's talking about the be attitudes there, right? I always personally think about the scripture that says God is close to the broken hearted. But that's what that comes from, right? Exactly. From the gospel of Matthew, blessed are those who weep, blessed are the poor, the hungry, the persecuted, and he's aligning those blessings with the people in this congregation who feel harmed by the actions of the Trump administration and the GOP in general. The congregation he's addressing on this day is almost entirely black.

7:17As we've reported extensively in Texas, Republican led redistricting has diluted the black vote and black political power. So he's referring to the loss of that hard one influence and that pain, the weeping, it's caused. And I understand there's another clergy candidate running in Texas, specifically because of redistricting. That's right. The Democratic nominee for the US House District 30, which encompasses part of Dallas and some southern suburbs, Frederick Haines. He is the head pastor of a large congregation, the 13,000-member Friendship West Baptist Church. He's led the congregation for more than four decades. I visited Haines while he was hosting an interfaith forum to talk about community needs and the need for black and brown voices and politics. I spent my ministry on the outside, you know, fighting was happening inside.

8:23And now it's as if God is saying, okay, you've been called to bring outside voices and an outside vision in the house. Haines says he was specifically inspired to run for Congress after the Texas legislature redistricted and eliminated one of the state's two black US House districts. I asked him if there was a biblical passage that inspired both his ministry and this campaign. I'm a Luke 4 Christian because Jesus says the spirit of the Lord, God is upon me because He's anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He prioritizes those who've been made poor by systems. That's what the Greeks say is. Set the captives free. Heal those who are broken. Broken by feeling disenfranchised both politically through redistricting and economically, whether it's by inflation or just lack of opportunity. Now, how competitive are these races?

9:25Well, we know that the Tallerico Texas Senate race is very competitive, a real toss up according to polling. The House seat in Dallas where Haines is running is safe for Democrats since it's the last predominantly black district left in the state, but this would be Haines first elected position. So we have two Democrats from Texas running on faith, Frederick Haines and James Tallerico. Who are some of the others? Well, it turns out there are two clergy people in Iowa running for the U.S. House as Democrats. In the third congressional district is Sarah Trone Garriott. Lift up your heads to see and hear the proclamation of the good news made flesh in Jesus Christ. Trone Garriott is a Lutheran pastor who's also served in the Iowa Senate since 2021. I visited her in Des Moines on a Sunday morning when she was leading worship at a Lutheran church. She was encouraging her congregants to open their minds about what God's reign might look like. The Kingdom of Heaven challenges what we have come to expect or learned to accept. She says she

10:32hears her call to public office in a familiar story from the Gospel of Luke. Jesus tells the parable of the good Samaritan. Everyone is your neighbor. Anyone who is overlooked and left behind and forgotten, that's who you are called to help. And that is the calling of government. The calling of government, she says, is to help the forgotten and the left behind. Now about two hours north east of Des Moines is the small town of Waverley. I accompanied the other Democratic clergy person in Iowa running for the U.S. House as she shook hands at the county fair. Lindsey James is a Presbyterian chaplain, a four-term state house representative and the Democratic nominee for Iowa's second congressional district. She remembers the moment she decided to run for federal office. After the big beautiful bill was passed from DC and about 27,000 Iowans were at risk of losing their health care in just Iowa's second congressional district. And Aisha

11:35Verl Health Care is critical in farm country and James says the way she can best care for her neighbors, also alluding to the Gospel story of the good Samaritan, is taking their cause of rural health care to the U.S. Capitol. So Jason, how are these candidates, Republican opponents, responding to their campaigns? I'm sure they're not just taking this lying down, you know. I'd say there's a unified theme of opposition in both Texas and Iowa. And among other things, the GOP candidates are actually questioning whether the Democrats who are clergy are really Christians. Yeah, so that's not too surprising to me because one of the things I've seen growing up in churches that people often focused on who's really, who not, who's getting into heaven, who's really about it. But the thing with this is these are these Democrats who are running for office,

12:37their clergy or they're in seminary. So how are these Republicans making the argument that they're not Christians? Well, here's James Teleriko's Republican opponent, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton speaking at a campaign rally. We cannot let Texas turn based on a deceiver, like James Teleriko, who does not want the world to know who he really is. Paxton and his campaign repeatedly raised this idea that he's hiding something about his religious beliefs. And they described Teleriko as an out of touch radical. Now, here's Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick talking about Teleriko earlier this year at the State GOP convention. I've never seen so much blasphemy from anyone running for office. And let me tell you what, I'm going to pray for that guy because when he loses the Senate race, if he campaigns against God as he's been doing, he's gone to hell for sure. Wow, I mean, saying that someone is going to hell is a big deal. How has Teleriko been responding to these types of comments?

13:42He's actually incorporated a response to these attacks into his preaching and campaign rallies, giving specific examples of what he says are GOP actions. The real blasphemy is kicking the sick off their healthcare to find a tax plus for billionaires. The real blasphemy is letting children go hungry in the wealthiest nations on earth. The real blasphemy is homeless veterans sleeping on our students. Well, Jason, it seems like what these politicians are doing is calling each other blasphemous because they have different understandings of how to interpret scripture. Right. Another example outside these races is how JD Vance talks about the biblical idea of neighbor being those closest to you. While others, including many Democrats, we just heard Lindsey

14:42James say it, your neighbors are the people most in need. Now, a similar clash of interpretation is coming from Frederick Haynes' opponent, Everett Jackson, in the Dallas House race. Jackson questions Haynes' faith and his leadership. I cannot categorize him as a shepherd or a pastor. Jackson is a Dallas area businessman. Here he is speaking on a conservative YouTube show called Disturbing the Peace. Because a shepherd, the good shepherd, as we were taught by the Lord, they were seen to the safeguarding of the sheep and lead them in a righteous path. This is not what Frederick Haynes is doing. Frederick Haynes has politicized the gospel and does for mislead his parishioners. So that's Texas. The Midwest is usually known for less heated language. A little more nice. Are the opponents of the Democratic candidates there being a little more cordial? No, no. In fact, Sarah Trongari, its opponent incumbent GOP Congressman Zach Non criticizes her

15:48for how she's carried out her ministry dating way back to when she was a pastor in training about two decades ago. When Trongari was an intern, she assisted at a wedding for two people who weren't Christians. In fact, they said they were Satanists. Satanists? Okay. So this is a little bit of a strange story. These two people were getting married. They weren't Christian. They needed someone to officiate. So they knocked on the door of the church where Trongari was an intern. And they didn't really look like lovebirds. She talked about that moment at a Des Moines Register storytelling event. Were they getting married to avoid having to testify against each other? The pastor of that church agreed to do the wedding out of kindness and asked her to assist. Irritated. I flipped through the Bible thinking, should I pick something with Satan in it to make them feel more at home? But for her opponent, Congressman Non finding out about these Satanists was

16:48ripe material. Here he is speaking on News Radio 1040WHO in Iowa. She talks about the situation like it was some kind of a charming story. She even jokes about picking Bible verses so that Satanists could feel more at home. Trongari, it says she saw that moment with the Satanist couple as something that was honoring the two people in their humanity. Eventually I just put the book mark in at first Corinthians chapter 13. Love is patience. Love is kind. And in the moment when I glanced up, I was struck by the sudden tenderness on her face. And Iisha, I'll point out that when I interviewed her, Trongari defended both assisting with the wedding and telling the story. It's a story about the power of scripture. And I believe it spoke to that couple in that moment who seemed like the wrong people in the wrong place. And it was speaking to me. So it's like she's arguing that she was ministering to the Satanist, you know, the way you minister

17:56to the loss. That does sound like what she's talking about there. Also just being present for people who were in need. So, Iisha, let's go to Northeast Iowa next to the open house district where Lindsey James is running. Her opponent, Republican businessman Joe Mitchell, also questions the ministry of not only James, but also of Sarah Trongari. Here he is at the conservative evangelical family leadership summit this summer. I called him Pino's. Passers the name only because they're not real pastors, right? They don't profess the truth gospel of Jesus Christ. Now why in name only? Well, one of the things both Mitchell and none bring up relates to Trongari and James serving in the state legislature. They both voted against bills that would have restricted transgender rights. The Republicans argue those votes are anti-Christian. Similar criticism of James Talleriko in Texas for votes he's taken in the state house there. However, in reality, Christians hold a whole host of views

19:01on trans rights from very conservative to very liberal. And while their opponents are framing them as radicals, these candidates are pretty centrist Democrats on a lot of issues like health care and taxation. We'll be right back. This message comes from Jerry. Noticing your car insurance rate creep up even without tickets or claims? You're not alone. That's why there's Jerry. Jerry handles the legwork by comparing quotes side by side from over 50 top insurers so you can confidently hit by no spam calls, no hidden fees. Jerry even tracks rates and alerts you when it's best to shop. Drivers who say with Jerry could save over $1300 a year. Don't over pay. Download the Jerry app or visit jerry.ai slash NPR today. This message comes from Midi Health, a virtual care platform for women in paramanopause and menopause. Chief Medical Officer Dr. Kathleen Jordan shares the wide range of symptoms they work to address

20:05for women in midlife. There's dry eyes, dry hair, dry skin, there's dry mouth, trouble sleeping, panic and anxiety attacks. When we ask patients about common symptoms, on average they report six. Midi Health committed to helping women in midlife with paramanopause and menopause care. Accessible via telehealth visits. Adjoin M-I-D-I dot com. I'm Ayesh Arasco. This is the Sunday story. We're back with NPR religion correspondent Jason DeRose talking about the Democratic clergy running for Congress in this year's midterms. Jason, let's turn to how voters are responding to these campaigns. There's a Pew Research poll that says less than one third of Democrats say religion is important to them. You spend a lot of time on the ground in Texas and Iowa. What did you hear? When I found on the ground or rather in the pews at campaign events and on the streets and at county fairs is a range of responses. Since we're

21:08talking about clergy talking about faith, let's start with how people of faith are responding. Among the churchgoers I spoke with folks fall into two general categories, enthusiasts and skeptics. Candice Stroud was sitting in one of the pews at Brentwood Baptist Church when James Talleriko spoke there. She's been a member for more than 40 years and she's glad Talleriko embraces his faith while campaigning. I think Democrats have been talking about religion for years. There's just nobody wants to listen to us. If you don't say what they want to hear. When you say they, what do you mean? The Republicans basically, they don't want to hear that we are Christians, we go to church, we believe in the Bible. And Talleriko's Christianity Stroud says sounds a lot like her own. Yeah, you know, that's really interesting because you know, I'm a person of faith. I go to a black church and been at the black church all my life. And a lot of black churchgoers are very

22:09conservative and they're aligned with conservative values. But being black, they're not going to vote Republican. I remember back in the day with family members. I had one family member who was against gay marriage and she was thinking about voting for George W. Bush. But then another family member was like, you can't just vote on that issue. It's more to it than that. You know, you should that example, I think really speaks to something that was very true a few decades ago, but less true today. Pew research has done extensive polling on this. And there's been a lot of political movement toward acceptance of things like same-sex marriage and LGBT issues more largely within the black church. Also greater acceptance of legal abortion in historically black churches. I wonder if you've noticed that change over the years. I mean, I think that there are bigger mainstreams churches that are more accepting of gay people. There is still a lot of churches that are homophobic or that are not supportive of the LGBTQ

23:13community. But even with a lot of those churches, it's not their main focus. It's not something they're preaching about from the pool pit every Sunday. I think there's still a big focus on justice and racial justice that shows up more even in those churches. Yeah, I think that's true. I found that in my own reporting. And I see this from, you know, Pew research as well. Now, Aisha, let's consider another view from the Pews or actually a view from the coffee hour. That's where I spoke with Rich Schneider, who heard Sarah Trone Gary at preach at Grace Lutheran Church in Des Moines. It's a predominantly white congregation, lots of families. He tells me he's not naturally inclined to want clergy in politics. I'm skeptical until I get a chance to listen to their expressions of faith and how they view their calling. And when it becomes a calling rather than a prescription or a bully public,

24:17then I'll start to listen. Schneider says he likes what he hears from Trone Gary on the campaign trail. But he's also glad that she does not preach overtly political sermons. She doesn't talk about running for the US House while she's preaching. Trone Gary, it says she's careful to distinguish when she's acting as clergy and when she's acting as a politician. But these callings, of course, influence each other. Okay, so that's the view from the Pews. As you put it, I like that. How about the take from people at campaign events? Well, let's go back to that interfaith forum in Dallas that Frederick Haynes held. It was meant as a way to hear people of faith's concerns about issues like housing and voting rights. About 50 people attended mostly Christian church leaders from different denominations, Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, but also a fairly large group of Muslims. Republicans in Texas have been increasingly using anti-Muslim rhetoric, saying Muslims can't be true Texans or true Americans, raising fears about Sharia law. So I wanted to hear what their big issues were.

25:22I think I can speak to this firsthand. Ali Asgar Aliabi is a professor at the University of Texas in Dallas. He says the Muslim bashing hits home. Living in Texas right now and seeing what's going on with Islamophobia right in my backyard has certainly made my job a little bit more challenging. But I'm ready for the challenge. Ready, he says in part because of the people of Christian faith he's met at events like this. People like Reverend Haynes. The people that I found solidarity with, with my liberal values or my religious values or my social justice value values were often the faith groups here. And he says given the anti-Muslim rhetoric in Texas politics right now, he's glad Haynes specifically invited Muslims like himself to talk about their concerns. But Jason, let's pull back for a moment. You've mentioned that a lot of Democrats aren't religious in any way, Christian or Muslim or anything else. So how do these candidates play with them?

26:23Well, I asked around at a Democratic town hall that James Talleriko held in Houston one Sunday afternoon, really diverse crowd. Many of the 700 people packed into the room held signs or wore t-shirts that read on the front Talleriko for Texas and on the back, love thy neighbor, referring to the Gospels. Taking in these messages was 40-year-old nurse practitioner Brandon Sterling. I would say I'm more spiritual than religious. The only thing I do religiously is I get up, I got to work and go to the gym. Sterling's pragmatic about what it'll take for a Democrat to get elected statewide in Texas. We're here in the south, you know, a lot of people lead their political views with their religious views, if you will. So if this is how you have to reach the greatest amount of people, then so be it. It doesn't offend me at all, especially what he's saying, because love thy neighbor. I'd call that the indifferent toward religion group. Jason, though, what plays at a political rally or a church isn't necessarily what plays on the streets, right? I'm Sarah Trongariat.

27:29I'm a state senator for Dallas County and I'm running for Congress. So on a humid Sunday afternoon in the western suburbs of Des Moines, I accompanied Sarah Trongariat canvassing for votes. I'm a minister, I'm a state senator. One of the doors Trongariat, Nachton, belonged to Stephen and Casey Hendrixson. The big issue for them? I said everything. We just went grocery shopping and it's just, it's amazing how you can get like 20 items in a cost of 100 bucks. The couple isn't especially religious, but when I asked their thoughts on clergy running for office? I think they have an ability to work with people more so than others. They've actually seen people go through things and are willing to help people. Moral compass will be on the higher side versus those that don't. Would be my guess? So not religious, but they think maybe a person of faith could bring better ethics to Washington. Right. And what they said about the cost of groceries, I heard that a lot while reporting this story.

28:29It was a theme in both the Des Moines area and in rural Braemer County in North East Iowa. While I was walking around the county fair there with Lindsay James, lots of people raised real bread and butter issues. I've seen your ads quite a bit. Oh, how you? Oh, good. Among the potential voters she met while touring for H Exhibits and Sampling, cheese curds was Lindley Sharp. Sharp works in public health and worries about budget cuts to programs like vaccination campaigns and health education programs. It's going to mean less money for the public health online after some of their federal funds are gone. Standing nearby was Kipla Degi who works in emergency medical services. Look at the Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement that we get. We're getting holes here. If we have a $600 call, we're lucky to get $100. I've got all the charts. Well, neither ambulances nor public health may seem like religious issues. For Lindsay James,

29:30they're deeply moral ones. And she says they're why she decided to run for the US House. But Jason, what about those voters who really don't like any God talk in their politics? You know, when they hear people of faith, they also want to hear what about people with no faith? Well, it's definitely a concern for Democrats. And when I think is best embodied by someone I'm at while out following folks knocking on doors in Houston in support of James Talleriko. Her name is Kristen Kaj. She cares about improving schools and worries about the recent flooding in her neighborhood. When I asked her about James Talleriko's focus on faith, talking about religion as it relates to policy and things like that would be turned off by. Why is that? Well, because I don't think religions should play into government and politics at all. Which I mean, I thought the country was founded on that.

30:33Iyasha, that's a very important point of view to keep in mind for Democrats talking about faith on the campaign trail. Yeah, you know, I have a friend who was a pastor and he ran for office as a Republican. He lost and then he actually repented because he felt like politics were too divisive. And if he's going to spread the gospel of Christ, he didn't want to be limited to just one party, right? Like he wanted everyone to hear it regardless of the party that they're in. Well, that's where I think threading the needle comes into play. I will say that many of these candidates have figured out how to do it though, at least in state politics. Lindsey James is a statehouse representative. Sarah Trone Garry is a state senator. Their clergy and their careful not campaign from the pulpit. Is there any indication that these messages about faith,

31:34whether it's about the good Samaritan or the Beatitudes have moved the needle among voters in Iowa or Texas? Well, you know, it's hard to say what specifically has moved the needle, but it's moving. It could be that independent voters and swing voters are just motivated by the economy or the Iran war or the dislike of the White House ballroom. But there's been significant movement in these places where clergy are running. In the course of my reporting, this story, the Cook Political Report moved the Senate race in Texas between James Talleriko and Ken Paxen from Leens Republican to Tossup. That's huge in Texas. And earlier this year, Cook moved Iowa's third congressional district where Sarah Trone Garry is running to unseat Zach Nunn from Leens Republican to Tossup. So there appears to be some real traction. So there's traction, but it's still a balancing act being both a religious leader and a politician. It is. And I don't know if

32:34there's any one strategic solution to making it work. But I do think that the story that inspired James and Trone Garry and Talleriko to run is part of the answer. The story of the good Samaritan, that story of the person who helps a man lying injured on the side of the road from Jerusalem to Jericho. There's a specific interpretation or reading of that story that Lindsey James, the Presbyterian chaplain, brings up. It's from Martin Luther King Jr. He talked about the road being notorious for people getting harmed and hurt. And that we had a moral obligation not just to pick up the person who's hurting, but to actually fix the road. James is deeply motivated by this concept of the good Samaritan, but I didn't hear her once bring up religion while talking with voters who were worried about emergency services or public health at that county fair. So she's walking that fine line. Still, Lindsey James sees that road to Jericho today as underfunded healthcare in rural Iowa and repairing it is what her faith and the faith of many Democrats

33:40looks like in public life. It's her way of serving her neighbor. Jason, thank you so much for bringing us this story. You're welcome, glad to do it. That's in PR, Religion Correspondent Jason DeRose, who's been reporting on clergy running for Congress as Democrats. This week's episode of the Sunday story was produced by Sharon Machihi and edited by Jenny Schmidt, fact checking by Greta Pittinger and engineering by Anli Kwong. Special thanks to this episode to MPR senior editor for Religion and Spirituality, Danny Burke. The rest of the Sunday story team includes Andrew Mombo. Our supervising senior producer is Leana Simstrom and our executive producer is Irene Nguci. I'm Aisha Roscoe and up first will be back tomorrow with all the news you need to start your week until then have a great rest of your weekend.

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