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1:04and disseminating the podcast amongst your loved ones and your not-so-loved ones, your brother, you know, you're in-laws. I mean, they're fine. They're fine. You want to help them too. Yeah, but you do. They're fine. And don't forget, yeah, YouTube and Facebook. Thanks for subscribing to that. The numbers keep going up below. Here is the Under the Hood Show Podcast. This is Under the Hood. Welcome to the Under the Hood Show. We are glad to have you. With us, Russ Evans is here to answer your automotive questions. Thanks for joining us under the hood. Shannon Nordstrom is here to do the same. Welcome hoodies. Thanks for tuning in so we can help you tune up. I'm Chris Carter here to answer your calls at 866-594-4150. Let's go to Minnesota and talk to Brian right away. Brian, you're out of the gate. What can we do for you? Hey, yeah, I got a 2025 Toyota Corolla LE. I bought new. It's got 18,000 miles on it. And a friend of mine who was a mechanic mentioned that the 08 oil

2:04fully synthetic that's in the car is not good. It's too thin. And I did a search on it and it says, yeah, it's too thin. A lot of people are using up to 16 weight. What are your thoughts on that? Well, we have had no problems with these engines so far. They've all been working just fine using that oil. And the factory, if they were concerned about it, they would change it. We've seen that evidence before on other vehicles. Because if they're warranty in it, they definitely want whatever it needs to be in there to protect it. Because they don't want to have to replace it for free. And I usually go by that. If the engine is an old model year, so if we've got an engine that was built in 2020, and now they're no longer building that engine. It's out of warranty. But they're building the same size engine.

3:04And basically, the same in 2023. And they've increased the 08, not dropped it. I'm concerned that maybe the original one probably could have benefited from that better oil. But typically, they've been going down. Most of that is for fuel economy. Yeah, that's what I heard. Well, you may see some, there may be some changes coming out too as engines go forward, not back. Because if they have a law in place that says, this is our rating for economy and the oil, everything, for 2025. If they change it in 2026, it doesn't mean they go back and they retrofit to the 2025. That's what it was when they did it. That's what applies. But as we go forward, if you see the same engine model being built, and next year in 2027, they increase that oil weight. You can feel pretty good that they were only doing it for emissions. Because they have now rolled back as far as I know,

4:06the fuel economy standards that were getting pushed very high. I believe they've gone to, Chris could look it up here, maybe at the break, but the 35, I think, corporate average. They need to stall them or roll them back just a bit. Because they were going to increase, so these manufacturers were dropping. Oil weights, changing things to try to get the economy as high as they could get it. So if I see a two-liter engine built in 2025 that uses 0W16, but in 2026, it's the exact same engine. And now it's using 5W30. I'm thinking, why did it change? Was it just for economy reasons? Whatever. So I'd look at that. Just because the people on the internet say, I use this oil. It's what you got to use. It's too thin. Well, that's a good reason to go take a look to find out for yourself. Find places that have done actual studies for where. There are some, there's a few oil people out there who have watched on YouTube that are really good.

5:08They will take a brand new engine. They've got so many followers that they're making a lot of money. We're not. But they on YouTube. But they will make enough money that when you see these guys by like Lamborghini's and set them on fire to get more viewers, well, they're making a ton of money. So people will go out and say they'll buy a 25-corrola brand new. They'll buy two of them. And they'll run 5W30 and 1 for 30,000 miles. And they'll run 0W16 and the other whatever it is. And then they'll tear the engines down. They'll inspect them and say, this is the wear difference between these two oils. Maybe they even get four of them and use different brands. And then they'll put them all back together and they'll sell the cars to recoup some of the money. But they've got a lot of people watching that channel to see what they've done. I don't want that one. Well, they'll repair. If they got a bear, they'll repair that. But they do that. And it's amazing what sometimes they find. They did find that on the L.S. engines, they're every one I've seen so far showed

6:09that they benefited from a heavier weight oil, slightly heavier than the 0W20 that came in them. Whether it was a 530 or what, you know it made a difference. And then they looked at it as to why. But on these Toyotas, I really haven't seen an oiling issue with these engines yet. And Toyota has got like every brand. I don't want to say this. But they've got a brand loyalty and they've got brand pride of what they build. And I just don't see them allowing themselves to make a error mistake. And what would be in them without correcting it down the road and saying, oh, by the way, we've learned that this new oil should be in this engine. It's different than what we engineered it with. So I guess it's safe to say I could stick with that 08. Yeah. It's more than likely that's what they're asking for. But keep an eye out on it, watch and see if I would say,

7:12if they go, if that's the exact same engine, if they switch back to a higher weight in the next couple of years, it might be valid to switch to it. How does Brian find that out? Does he look at the Toyota website? Do you talk to the dealer? What do you do? You see if you still have the same engine, same model engine, and that same, so we look at the exact model of the engine. So if you got a X, Y, Z, Z. 27th roll comes out as what? Yeah. So if the 25 and the 27 are the exact model engines, our interchange here at the yard says, yeah, the 27 will fit the 26th. It's of whatever ZE use in the different oil on that newer engine, I would go back. I would switch that. I'm asking a different question, I think, though. What does Brian do to find that out? He's got to look on the internet and see what the current spec is for the new. And how do you, how do I do that? You just type in 27 Toyota Corolla 1.5. If he what? And he's going to, I'm going to get a thing that says,

8:14I don't work. I went to 16 because my brother told me and you go to the engine. You go to the official Toyota OE spec. And that's where that's what I'm. You find that information. Like for most manufacturers, there's going to be a very reputable test organization or the manufacturer themselves that will put out the specs. And I, like me personally, I would just bring it to you because you're my guy. And you would keep an eye right? I mean, that's you're going to look it up. And in the shop management system, you see the most current information that's available, especially, I know just one example that pops into my head was Volkswagen. When they had some lawsuits brought against them, the class action suits are crazy about whatever engine it was. And out of that lawsuit, one of the parts of the settlement was they realized that they needed to spec out and have people put a different oil in that car than what they spected out from the factory with. Because of the amount of GDI residue that was getting left behind.

9:17And so there are times that it came out that no, we're going to recommend a different oil for this car than what we said when it was brand new. So in Brian's case, dealing with the dealer, because he should, I mean, he's got a new car. He should be okay for a while, right? They would stay on top of that. Brian, thanks very much for the call. Good luck. 866-594-41-50. That's the number to reach is here at the end of the hood show. Let's talk to Bob. You're on the end of the hood show, Bob. What can we do for you? Hi, guys. I really enjoy the show. Appreciate everything you do for us. Thanks. I have a question. I have a 2026 GMC with a 5.3 liter engine on it. And in the owner's manual says, if the vehicle has a yellow sticker on the fuel door, E85 or Flex-Fuel can be used. If the vehicle does not have a yellow sticker, do not use. I do not have the yellow sticker. Why? What's the difference? A lot. Yeah, don't use it in there. It's got to have a yellow gas cap and a yellow sticker

10:20that says E85 compatible. If it doesn't have that and you put that in there, that engine is going to run extremely poorly and have a check engine light and can cause damage long term. If you switch back to the regular fuel right away, it'll go back to normal, shouldn't hurt anything, but it can't adjust. The computer's not designed to adjust that far. It's only looking at the parameters programmed into it or only looking for about 15% fuel on a daily basis. Some people are on 30 in there. I'd be one of them, some people. Yeah, and it can usually adjust that far. If it can, it'll turn the check engine light on. You need to go back to regular fuel, but. And in Bob's case, we're just talking about E85. Right. I mean, 10% 15%, he'll be fine. Zero problems for that. Bob, Bob, are you, I guess the reason you asked the question. It's a fantastic one. Because you're looking at the price of that E85

11:21at the pump and say, why can't I use that? Of course. Is that what it's going on? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's, Russ, can you just give a little bit more about why that is different that alcohol content, what the engine has to do? Just, we haven't talked about that for a while. Alcohol you have, it has a lower BTU content than gasoline. So you're going to get less miles per gallon. You're not going to get half or 20% of what you got with gasoline. Never believe that. They're completely wrong unless the engine just won't even run that would do it. But you're going to get less. So the less BTU content, the more fuel it takes to generate the same amount of power in the engine. So you're going to get lower miles per gallon. So that adjustment that has to be made is what I'm speaking about. It has to be richer. Instead of 14, 7 to 1, which is gasoline to air ratio, it goes much higher to that. Your parts of gasoline versus parts of alcohol greatly dramatically

12:26increases with the alcohol. More alcohol, the more it goes up while your computer system looks at the oxygen sensor and says, oh, we're running a lean. Well, let's dump more fuel in it. And it gets to a certain point and says, we can't do that anymore. That's with a regular car. If you've got one that's designed for E85, it looks at a change. It knows it was originally programmed for no alcohol from the factory or 10% depending on where they're at. As it comes out, you have to fill it, not at 3 1.25 of a tank. You need to have it down like around a quarter tank. Fill it up completely with whatever you're going to put in it. And when you do that, the computer looks at your fuel tank at the gauge inside of the computer and says, OK, somebody just refilled this tank because we saw a three quarter tank change. I got a new fuel. So now, let's compare the last O2 sensor reading to this O2 sensor reading. And if it sees this dramatically leaner, it's going to bump it up in increments.

13:27It's going to hit E30. It's going to hit E60. It's going to hit E85. And it's going to look at different ones until it can get a stoichiometric, which is a perfect burn ratio of the fuel. And it's going to say, oh, they put E85 in here because here's where I can keep it just perfect. And now, if you go in and put five gallons of regular fuel in there in between, now it's going to be running rich because it doesn't know you refueled it. It says, oh, the gauge just flopped around over bumps. You've got to wait until it gets down to a quarter again and then completely refilled. If you don't, those are the ones that come into our shop. And we have to reset the system after they've put regular fuel back in it. And the older ones at first were flex fuel. They had an alcohol sensor in there that sensed the fuel all the time. But it adds over 100 bucks to each vehicle made. So they didn't want to do it anymore. They went to a simple way to do it. So the bottom line is that your vehicle is not built to make the adjustments past a certain level. And so if it sees those changes and can't make the adjustments,

14:28you're going to have a very badly running vehicle. Check engine light's going to come on. Probably a flashing check engine light. And then if you kept driving that, you could do cylinder damage, valve damage, those sort of things. That's only in those situations. I'm telling you, I've got a Silverado truck, 6.2 liter, 22 and a half, the up the newest version of that engine right now. And I've burned E30 in that truck since it's brand new. And it's not a flex fuel. And it's just fine. It gives me the octane that I need. Because otherwise it'll ping a little bit. And it's a premium fuel required vehicle. And it's been just fine. But if I go any further than that, and I've got other vehicles I've tried it in, I get a check engine light. They don't run very good. And you got to dial it back. Does that make sense? I guess. And E30 is OK though, then. Well, I've used it. It's not supposed to be in there.

15:30They don't recommend it. No. And you've got a vehicle under warranty. So if they wanted to be jerks about it, if you took it in, and they had any kind of fuel system issue with it, it's fine. And it was E30. They could say, oh, they put the wrong fuel in it. We're avoiding your warranty. That's completely up to them, which is perfectly legal. All we can tell you is that on, we have our own vehicles. We've run it in and had, it just hasn't had a problem. And in our shop, in all the years we've been doing this 30 years of being in that shop, we have never once had a vehicle come in that had any damage caused by ethanol. We've had at least 10 of them come in that somebody put E85 in a car that shouldn't have it. And it was running bad. We checked it out and said, oh, yeah, this is running bad. And we pumped half of the tank out because it was full. And I said, I got to take that gas out. I can't buy it back from you. They're like, well, put it in one of your cars if you want. So I took half it out, put it in one of our shop cars, and then I went across the street and filled it with none. I think all in check engine light went out and ran fine.

16:33That was the worst case we've ever had with that in our thing. You do see a lot of naysayers out there that for whatever reason don't like it. Seems to be a lot fewer of those when the price is this high because even themselves, they want to pay less. But when it's all cheap, there's a lot of people who scream about it don't want it used. And our daughter-in-law put E-55 in her little Buick Turbo and didn't, she was grabbing pump price and didn't realize in the next day, it was not running right. Didn't want to start, it was kicking back. And it just a little bit more fuel of the other type and give it a day of, and it cleaned itself out. They are much harder to start in fact in countries like Brazil where they run 98% alcohol in cars, ethanol. That's a lot. They run them. The cars work perfectly all the time, but in extreme cold air, you're like Brazil. It gets really cold when you get up in the hills, down south.

17:36So if it's too cold, they have to use gasoline injection to get the car to start and then they'll run fine. But getting it to start, they just won't start on that much alcohol. Thank you very much for the call. Good luck. Can I, I wonder, could I reset my fuel tank if I jump? So it's way, it sees three quarters of a tank, so it's weighing it, it's heavy. And then I jump and go to zero gravity for five, six seconds. It's not weighing the tank. And then it sees an empty tank and then all of a sudden boom, it sees, and it's gonna be like, I have to test that gas. It's got a flow rate. The level, not the same thing. Same thing, gravity's gravity. It's the same thing. Are you jumping the whole car or just jumping on the car? Oh, no, I'm jumping, I've got a rampana. It's my fuel ramp. Your fuel ramp? Yeah, it's where I do the jump. Yeah, to reset my, to say that sounds like fun. See, let's go to Florida and talk to Michelle, you're on the hood show, Michelle. What can we do for you? Hi, I'm calling about a 2014 pass finder that we have.

18:41And my son was listening to your podcast, so he told me to call you and ask you, we have changed our alternator twice in the car, a both with refurbished alternator from Rock Auto. We will drive the car, and it, for about 20 minutes, it'll run at 14 volts, and then the battery will just drop. And you press on the gas, and the car won't go anywhere. It just dies out. He put in 140 volt alternator, because that's what the car recommended. So we were just wondering if maybe we should try a higher volt to alternator? There's only one available for it. Yeah, there's only, there's only one, the factory size is what needs to be in there. Unless you get into custom stuff for car stereo and things like that. But if you have a good battery, you got to make sure the battery's good. So if you've got a bad battery, it will burn out in the old later very quickly. Even if it'll start the car, it might be shorted

19:42and have an issue. But if it was originally charging at 14 volts, and then it drops down below that, so it's not charging any longer, and then the car dies, because the voltage is so low. Something's probably wrong with that alternator, and I have seen some poor quality alternators, 3, 4, 5 of them before you get a good one. It can happen even with a really good name brand. I put one at like a dense level versus put on there, and I can have one that's bad down, and then I did one in a caravan not too long ago, and I was like, oh, this is great, it's working. And it made it about three miles, and I was like, why is it not charging? What's going on? So I'm second guessing myself looking all over, and then I'm full-feeling the alternator, and I go, oh, that alternator's junk, so I put another one on, it was fine. So what's Michelle's next step here? What should she do? I think, well, if a shop looked at it, they'd probably say, yeah, the alternator's bad. But, so it's possible. Yeah, and just make sure battery tests the battery. Make sure the battery's good, because if you got it, like Russ, I'm gonna repeat it. I've seen people put multiple alternators in, and they had a slight short in their battery,

20:44and it was killing alternators. A lot of times they get replaced at the same time, the battery and the alternator. So check that. Have them confirmed, you don't have any connection issues, corrosion, down in Florida, you got some corrosion issues in certain places. Make sure there's no corrosion, and everything is connected correctly. Look at all that. Check the alternator, make sure. I'm just gonna say this, because I'm, I am putting my own hat on for the business that I grew up in. That vehicle is of an age. I bet you could find an alternator on Car-Dash Part, that would be a factory Nissan alternator that might have 60,000 miles on it, or 80,000 miles on it, and I would roll with that in a heartbeat. Oh yeah. If you could find one that's low miles, verified low miles, for a factory originally equipment alternator. Because I'm guessing this car's got a lot more miles on it, so. We see a lot of those at 200,000 that have never had an alternator. Exactly. A lot of them, so I wouldn't be afraid of it. It would be a lot more affordable, more unlikely.

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25:50How are you guys? Fantastic. It's your, I am what they call the CGO, Chief Groupie Officer. You guys ever had any groupies? I would be their Chief Groupie Officer. All right. That's awesome. You're hired. Thank you guys. Thank you, thank you. And listen, I'm looking at a 2014 Mustang GT Premium with the factory Roush edition. The car is got 9,000 miles on it. It is in an absolute minst condition inside and out. I mean, this thing is like brand new, always garage. I just wanted to, you know, a last Mustang that was 1985, that 41 years ago. Nice. Is there anything besides making sure that I have frequent oil changes? I mean, on this car, I'll probably looking at every 3,000 miles. What kind of oil to put in there?

26:51Anything that I need to be on the lookout, it's a beautiful car. Some of the Roush cars, I mean, I got into this a little bit. This is going to sound weird, but it's just my life. Selvage pickups. Roush pickups. Because it seemed like there was a rash of them. Where one insurance company was calling us and they were wrecking them in transport. And they were having, I don't know what was going on. And so I started researching the Roush pickups. And this would have been in the last four years sometime. It all conflates together. And I quickly found out doing some just crash. How fast can I find out about these trucks research that there was different levels of the Roush packages on those pickups? And I would assume the Mustangs are the same. Is this like a full package with a supercharger or is it more of a Roush appearance package? What are we looking at here? I don't know. So teach me. Yeah. Factory supercharger. It's called Stage 3. It's got all the authentic papers and stickers on the car

27:54and the signature of Jack Roush. It's kind of like a mini Shelby 5. Sure. Oh, yes. Yeah. And it's got 575 horsepower and it's got the big brakes, brembo brakes. This thing is just. What's your plans on how you're going to use this car, Asan? What's your driving going to be? I'm going to sing it every night, good night. And I'm going to have it in the garage. I'll drag it on the weekends when the weather's night on open roads. So I was told it's almost the collector type of a car because it's the last year of the S197 model. So it's just my toy. It's my, I'm 68 years old. I'm retired. I'm voting myself right now. It's just a toy car. It's taking to car shows and stuff like that. All right. Now, the last question before we get into answers here. Did you say you did buy it already or you're going to buy it?

28:54No, I went inside and I'm about negotiating the price. It sounds like you already bought it. Yeah. In my mind, I did. Yeah. Don't tell them that. I hope they're not listening. No, no, no, no. No, the guy selling it is a gentleman who's got a, like me, he's got a beautiful garage at home. You know, he washes it himself. He's got, I'm now in and I saw his garage before I saw the car. And I'm, I'm just so tempted. I mean, this thing is just beautiful. It's trucker Jill. Yeah. There you go. Wonderful. OK, here's the thing about that car. Wonderful streetable car. Not a big history of problems. I mean, they, it's a dependable streetable car. It's not so modified that it's going to break when you go out and play with it. You see some of these that have been modified up to, you know, 1000 horsepower. That gets touchy. I mean, when you start pushing them that hard, this is a, a nice moderately built car

29:58that will last a long, long time with good maintenance, which was what you're asking about. So you'll probably put on 1500, 2000 miles a year. Yeah, yeah, just about. You're going to be looking at an annual oil change, basically, because of time. And maybe, maybe you stretch it a little bit. Do you do that this spring or fall? Well, he's in good climate. It's your round there. It's the same. Yeah, you get good climate. You could probably, you could probably stretch it to a year and a half. You don't know what climate he's in. Well, what part of California? I got it. You know, I'm in India. Oh, I, I have a California phone number from when I was going up there. But I'm, I'm in Indiana. So we get, we're not every year. You guys, but yeah, every year. Okay. So fall or spring? Yeah, every year, which fall or spring? When should he change his oil? If he's doing it once a year, flip a quarter and just do it, stay with it. See when the last person did and do that.

30:59I know. If I do in the fall, if I save my time allowed, I would do it in the fall. So then when the weather gets good and I'm ready to bring it out, I, it's ready to go. It's ready to go. Okay. That's just more of a personal preference. Okay. The oil is going to be in good shape, most likely. But you just want to keep the moisture in the package clean inside of there. And then a battery tender, a battery tender on it. Just to make sure that battery's leveled off safe with a nice electronic tender. Inspect the transmission fluid. You're probably not going to have any problems there. That's going to be a pretty easy one to take care of. So we're saying, buy it. Well, he's already bought it. Yeah, but I mean, with no, no second guessing. I dreamt about it last night. I should have gone. I've had a Mercedes, I've had Audi's, I've had, but never been so excited about it. It's a Mustang. Finally, I'm getting another Mustang. Well, it's, it's, it's, isn't a daily driver. So I think you could qualify. This is a Berkeley one class.

32:00So much. And so we, we've got to play the color guessing game here, a son. So you have the car that you don't own yet is black. What do you think, Chris? Oh, I'm going to say I saw one of these the other day in the parking lot and it, I wanted to sing to it every night. I, it was awesome. I say you get it. I'm going to go with blue because that's the, I saw a blue one. Red. Red. Hassan, what color is it? It's black on black. There you go. It's a six speed manual. So it's just, yeah, and it's black. And it's the black is so deep. It's like two mile. All right. All right. Calm down. We don't need, we don't need an event on the air here. You have to, you may, you may want to have the, the, the, if he, if it hasn't been done, this, the reality is, this is a 12 year old car. Mm-hmm. And so not many. Yeah. So the coolant would be needing to be inspected.

33:01Maybe they'll test it with a strip. Or those just playing on flushing it and just get some fresh coolant in there. You got a lot of expensive aluminum. And I'm going to assume Hassan, the guy who has it, has all that info, right? I mean, you're going to have all the maintenance on it. Oh, yeah, yeah. You've got a pile and everything's got the sticker, the factory sticker, the window sticker of a tank. Yep. Check the brake fluid. Have them put a test to the brake fluid, see what kind of shape that's in. But that, that sounds like a nice one and be a lot of fun for you. And thanks for being such a loyal hoodie. We appreciate it. Well, we still setting up with a hoodie. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Even though I guessed. Yeah, even though I guessed it right. I think so. Because he's, well, he's their chief officer of hoodies. He should have one. Yeah, for sure. Chief groupie officer. Hold on a second, Hassan. I'm going to put you on hold and Doug's going to get your info so you can get a hoodie. And then call a Berkeley one classics, right? For sure. It'll be on the hoodie. Tell him, yeah, look at your arm. Look at that and say, oh, yeah, I would call them. 866-594-4150.

34:03That's the number to reach us here at the end of the hood show. Let's go to Wisconsin and talk to Scott. Scott, you're on the end of the hood show. What can we do for you? Hey, gentlemen, how are we doing today? Fantastic, Scott. Good. I had a quick question. I'm looking at expanding my skill set. I'm working on some newer cars and some older cars. I have a couple of adult kids that they need help with their vehicles. And I'm trying to get into the scopes and the scanners. Kind of a budget friendly, but something that I can also grow into as I gain knowledge of an on the internet. I've been reading a lot of books and manuals going back to my basics of electrical. I had some experience in that in schooling and whatnot. So I'm looking at the off-tell MS-906 max, I believe. And then obviously I can get a scope later that can be on my abilities now, but I understand the skill of scopes and I've used them. I was wondering what would be a good option for someone on a D.Y. Iyer that's just trying to verify parts and or fix their cars. Well, I have two adult children and my advice is did you just cut them off?

35:06No, really, don't fix their cars. Don't answer the calls when they call just... You're going to do that. Let them... We just spent the whole break talking about how you're going to fix that and help your daughter. That's when I decided. I'm in there right now. I'm on a 2015 Jeep with a Eco-Distol season for being predominant for two months and four mechanics that can't fix it. And I believe it's the short in one of the three sensors. So I understand not enabling them, but then it's also my dad. You know what? There's a real fine line there that gets chopped. Oh, my daughter Lars Carr breaks. That last one you just said to me, we just know that's a pain and it's expensive and not a lot of people that want to dig in. Okay. My one guy that does the work that I can't has really helped me out, but he's like, I don't normally do this and there's some stuff that she shouldn't have done from a side shop that isn't quite... You know what I'm going on at people. Oh, yes, I know. Is this the vehicle you want to get a scanner for? No, well, yes and no.

36:07I have a 2020 Silverado. I have some issues I'm trying to fix with that. Just a general. So that way when I go into things that can get a better handling, if I can fix it myself fine. I've got a guy I trust, but sometimes I know like to know what's gone. So when he says, hey, you know, the actuator failed, I'm like, yeah, you're right. It did and I can't fix it because I either don't have the skill or the time. Then I can say, and I trust my guy, but you always want to have that knowledge behind you. I'll tell all their scanners are going to be good for what you're looking for. You just need to choose any one of them that has the capability that you want to do. You don't need something that does more than you want to do, but also sometimes they jump pretty quick. You got to make sure it's the price goes up. You don't want to double up on what something can do. Sometimes it's good to have a couple of scanners around it. You could get, if you get into one of their scanners that has the ability to test components, it's also going to tell you how to test the components. It's not going to be just an oscilloscope.

37:08You can go into the scan mode and scan it or you can go into the diagnostic mode. It'll say we're checking a mass airflow sensor. Here's where to connect. Here's the diagram. Here's what the pattern should look like versus a bad pattern. That helps on the scanner. Yeah, and that's big time. That's what I'm really looking for because I don't have that skill set, but I mean, I can read the patterns. I can read the waveforms. I know I don't have to do all the back probing, but it's like when you just said it goes from a 500 up to 1500 out of that initial entry level is pretty reasonable, but that next level up where you can grow into, it's $1,000 jumping a lot of these companies. Well, and you get what you pay for. If you think you're going to use the oscilloscope later, if you've got a scanner that can be upgraded with over the air programming, plugging into the internet and upgrading, I would go with that because if you wait, it's just going to go up in price more than likely. We're not seeing a lot of electronics reach to point where they started like TVs. They came down once a lot of them got out there.

38:12They just seem to keep going up. I don't know that I've seen any price drop on them as they get better and more of them are out there. There's more amount there, but the prices are still about the same on all of them. Get what you think you're going to need. If you don't think you'll ever use that oscilloscope, just get the regular one. But sometimes even one repair can meet the cost of that scanner. At 150 to $200 for a die-ag time or whatever, and you're right, two, three, four repairs in a year or two, and I could be good because I've got my three, four cars I'm maintaining. Yep, for sure. Yeah, that's a great point. What, listening to Scott, he doesn't have a scanner, let's say he's going to totally buy this for, I mean, he knows what he's looking for. What kind of money, what's the range he's looking at? Because the bottom end is not his. Probably going to be in that $1,500 range for a good one to do the basic stuff, plus some scanning oscilloscope stuff.

39:13And Scott, you agree with that as far as you know what you're looking for, so that tracks? Yes, it does. But I did run into some issues where some of them are European and American, some are American only. So all the technologies and the terms and the model numbers are all kind of blends so quickly together. That's exactly I'm finding that price point. Like I said earlier, I'm trying to find something I can grow into, but I'm not going to grow old because like you said, it's very easy to come up with that money in a few repairs and people itself. Scott, I'm afraid that if you were to go with the more entry level model, it would be more, not more than six months, you'd be having such serious formal that you'd be buying another one. Right. And then you'd have spent that much more money. I just can tell by your questions you're asking and the personality that you seem to have that you need to buy the one that's just a little more expensive now, if a budget for that or else you're going to have problems. You're going to be so sad that you're missing out on what you don't have.

40:15I can just feel it. Yep. And if you get the European one, if you get the European one, let me know. Yeah. My kids, the VW guy, and he's a mechanic, I said, I'm not touching your stuff, so he's good on his own. When I had to buy specialty tools, just work on it when he was young. I'm like, okay, this does, yeah. You can always crowdsource with him. Yeah. You can get a couple hundred out of hip, get a few hundred bucks out of him to go towards it, have a casual beer or two agreement on the weekend. That might work too. Scott, thanks very much for the call. Good luck. 866-594-4150. Let's talk to Mike here on the Under the Hood Show. Mike, what can we do for you? Hey, we seem to have a theme going here too. My kids caught my son's college car. He has a 2017 Chevy Malibu, I think at the LS trim, at the 1.5 liter or cylinder, turbo, 70,000 models, nice, clean, little car, great college car. But if that electrical ground one's just got parasitic loss somewhere in the system

41:18that will kill his battery after four or five days of sitting, he used to be worse in the winter, but now it's doing it in the warm weather too. If you don't do anything in the park for five days, battery will be dead. Under nine volts. It's killed two batteries in the last three years, just from dying so bad to the Rex of Cell and getting new battery. I've had it to a dealership. We won't say the name, but they're down. Anyway, we won't say the name. They've probably spent $700 in the last couple of years and thought they found two different things, no replace, power supplies and some other things, but it keeps doing it. Keep coming back. What's the best way on a car like that to try to find, you know, how do you tackle that without paying $1,000 or just, I don't know, what's the best way to find a parasitic loss? Well, you have to have the problem occur as the vehicle is being serviced continuously, not just come and go here and there where you can't track it down.

42:18You've got to find that to find the drain. A lot of times they can just do it because it comes and goes. You don't know exactly what's causing it. I've had a number of people do two things. First thing is a standard lead acid battery. Once it goes dead, you lose half your reserve capacity. The next time it goes dead, it's going to go dead twice as fast and then twice as fast until it's two minutes of the door being open and it's dead and it's not going to work. We would suggest going with an AGM battery in there that absorbed glass, matte battery will hold up to the deep discharge. They use them in boats, stuff all the time, and trolling motors and things. Because of that reason, deep discharge, full recharge without damages in the battery. Does it still, does it still drain it faster eventually or not? Well, it can still go dead if the car has a drain, but it takes longer. They have better reserve on there. Just a much better. And when I get it started again, it's back. It's going to come back farther. It's going to charge back. Whereas a lead acid is going to be degraded. It's going to damage it every time more and more.

43:19That's a good start. The other thing you could do is if you're tired of spending, you spend a thousand bucks on diagnosis for electrical, you could spend 70 bucks on a battery disconnect switch on this model car particularly because it's not going to hurt if it's disconnected. You can put a battery back in it six months later and it'll still start right up and do what it's supposed to. They have battery disconnects that have a remote control like a key fob for your doors on your key ring. And when you hit the button, it disconnects the battery and you hit it again, it connects it back up. So for cars that are stored at school a long time, a lot of our customers have purchased those. All you do is take off one battery cable, put this device on the battery and tighten it down like you're tightening up a battery cable. And then your battery cable goes on the device and it's like a five minute install at the most. And sometimes does the kid forget to turn it off and let the battery drain or forget to turn it back on and thinks their car won't start. Is that happened two or three times? That can happen but also the more expensive ones that are more like the 150 to 170 dollar

44:21range have a disc automatic disconnect when the battery reaches 12 volts because a fully charged battery is going to be 12.3, 12.6 somewhere in that area. But when it hits 12 volts, like if it's starting to get really cold and the battery is starting to drain, it kicks it out. You can still turn it on with the thing, but it will shut that battery down, which is a nice feature because you're right. A lot of people, they forget or they say, oh, I'm coming back tomorrow. I don't need to shut it off and lose my radio presets. And then they don't forget. What about a solar powered battery maintainer? Solar powered battery maintainers are great too. If you have the room for it, even a small one that sits on a dashboard, some of them have two panels. They sit in a dashboard. Plug into your either hardwired to the battery with a fuse or the plug into a power support, like where your cigarette lighter was. If it can reverse charge, because some cars won't charge unless the key's on. And yeah, that'll charge up. Mike, we're talking about the problem, but we're not giving you a lot of advice how to

45:22fix your problem other than just how to bandate it. Spend a lot of money and fix it, right? So I just got to ask. Or do it that way. Is it doing it all the time? Or is this just a hit and miss thing? It's kind of hitting me as we thought it was tied to the winter. It seemed like there was worse than the winter. It was there for five days and cold. But now it's happening. There are some common answers we've given people on the air that have sometimes worked. I'm serious. Yeah. Because this is a tough one. 2017. Yeah. Well, if it is not, if a module comes alive for some reason, as it's sitting there and starts draining the battery, and it doesn't do it all the time, what an impossible thing for a technician to check. Right. It just, it makes it very, very hard. I don't care where they work. So if it has any sort of an aftermarket accessory on the vehicle, might be number one suspect. Something might be happening when an aftermarket, anything was put in. Car start radio.

46:23Aftermarket stuff's great. If it's installed 100% properly, but there's times where things just go a little weird when they start making connections. So look at that. If it has a, now this is new enough, we don't have CD changers like we used to have problems with them, but there was certain times where the radio itself would energize and do things inside. And we would ask people to pull the radio out and just disconnect it and see if, you know, if it stops doing it. There are, you know, we've got a hard, hard ask with a college kid. It is. And we've, it is. They're using their Bluetooth anyway. But if you've got the vehicle setting, if you have ability to get it into a dark area, you know, just to see if, you know, watch on if you got a security camera or something and watch and see if anything lights up at night that you're not expecting. All of a sudden, you've had a camera on it. You just fast forward at a security camera. I mean, there's different things you can do like that. Otherwise, it is circuit by circuit.

47:24Wait for it to de-energize. The problem has to occur. It is a time-staking pain in the butt that nobody frankly enjoys doing. Right. Right. It, I've seen some devices pop up on my, and they will now again on my Facebook feed that are supposed to be catch your parasitic drain. I'm kind of curious about some of those because there's been some that I've looked at and like, we get enough calls on that. I'm kind of tempted to buy one just to, yeah, just to see what it does. You know, it can isolate circuits and do different things, but I'm sure the rust and the guys at the shop have had things like that presented to a messenger. I should have invented that seven years ago when I came up with it. Not an easy one, Mike. Not an easy answer if it's not doing it all the time. If it did it every night, this can be found easy. But if it's doing it every three months or every two months or every one month, get the disconnect. That's a challenge. You might disconnect it. Mike, thanks very much for the call. That's going to wrap up the after show though. Make sure if you're still watching that you hit all the buttons. Oh, yeah.

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