Ben Miller enjoys Volcanos -  EP 892

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2:06Ben Miller is a stand up comic from New York City at this time, New York comic. And he has a new album out at Wednesday. And is it a new album or is it just going to be the hour long video so far? It's just the video. He's going to figure out the album. I'm going to talk to him about band camp afterwards. Anyway, I'm on band camp. Who isn't? Everyone should be on band camp. You get more money. But September 23 on his YouTube channel. You can see his special, which is weirdly, a total of volcanoes. So we're going to talk to him about what kind of streetcredits got about volcanoes. No, we're not. We're just going to talk about how much he freaking loves volcanoes. But Ben Miller is spelled like Ben Miller. His website is bedbiller comedy.com. And his Instagram is this is Ben Miller. And it will all be in the notes. Ben. Pompeii. That's what I got. Yeah, absolutely. Have have you been? You just heard the rumors.

3:06I just heard the rumors. I I went around. I heard that it was active. Well, I'm not that old. I mean, I get it. Okay. So sorry. I just woke up. No, you're doing great. You're going to Pompeii. No, Bissubius is active. Sure. It is. Right. It is an active danger to the people of Naples. But they're they're looking their lives. They're out there being Italian. And hopefully it doesn't come back to bite them. Right. Because we're to melt them. Yes. Like a couple hundred. Sorry. Go ahead. I say like like a hundred or so years before Pompeii. They happen for real. There were like some very serious earthquakes that like destroyed a bunch of buildings in the area. So they it's like they didn't know it was active. They're like, oh, that's weird. I guess earthquakes happen. And then we'll just forget about it. And nothing bad will ever happen. Let's build these beautiful buildings though. So that if it does go off, they'll be preserved.

4:08And they nailed it. They did such a good job of. Have you been? Yes. I have been. Yeah. I was there like a year ago. Oh, wow. Incredible. Yeah. It's I mean, the city is really beautiful. They got it feels sort of like not to victim blame them too much. But like the cities built on full can it. It's like built of volcanic rock. Like all their streets are just like paved with these rocks. Like if only you'd known what this meant. Both is on the same rocks that that buried you. Right. Right. Maybe they're just fatalistic. Maybe they're just like, this is what our people do. We die in this space for thousands. When when did both Vesuvius blow and create the Pompeii? Yes. That we know today. It was nearly 2000 years ago. It was 7988 or C.

5:08I think they might call it now. Yes. It's been a little bit. Okay. Yeah. And you can also you can go to Vesuvius and like peer down inside the crater. I think the most only special thing about Vesuvius is right outside like the area where you hike up. There's just a bunch of like merch tables. There's maybe like 15 different merch tables where they're like, so not only the Vesuvius stuff, like a lot of like soccer jerseys. Sure. Well, if you happen to be there and you're a fan of Italian, is it all Italy or is it going to North Africa as well? Oh gosh. I don't know anything about soccer. You know, there you go. There you go. The shoulders up, but I'm not a very athletic person. Well, and I will tell you the next episode is about Dutch soccer. It's going to be about the soccer. I know the guy called me and I was like, yeah, I don't know anything about Dutch soccer.

6:11Is that something? And it turns out we're going to find out if the jerseys are on sale outside of Vesuvius. Do they have shot glasses? Do they have shot glasses? Do they have spoons? What what what's the GAC? Yeah, yeah, the shot glasses. They have spoons, all sorts of like t-shirts and stuff. Did you did you get anything? Did you get a march? It felt a little bit disrespectful to like, because I looked at all the plaster casts and then to be like, yeah, what if I bought a t-shirt about this? Maybe maybe not. These people are still trapped in their agony. Wow. Did you see that? Did you see are there people like that are frozen that are like statues that, that nobody has decided to put those people to bed? Well, it's not exactly the people. It's sort of like the outline of the people that they poured plaster into.

7:15So it's a mold of the space that they're body like a police. Yeah, yes, yes, from like a 3D chalk, how I'm be can like see literally and like screaming or like covering their faces. Yeah, that's that's that is amazingly inconsiderate. Wow. Yeah, okay. And also it's like, okay, now if I die, I need to think of like a cool pose to be found in. Right, right. If anybody's got that kind of that kind of think ahead, where with all, okay, what is do you? Okay, here's my first volcano related question. What is the first recorded volcano that we know about? More than you know about it. And what I say, we, I'm talking, I'm talking society as a whole. For sure. So actually some of the earliest creation myths that we know about are volcanic eruptions that have been encoded.

8:18So I believe there's like average, these Aboriginal people in Australia that have a creation myth of a volcano that scientists confirmed erupted like 30,000 years ago. And the creation myth is that it's spit out a bunch of humans. And then that's how it's a good question. That's a good question. I'm not intimately familiar with this. This is something I looked at like a couple years ago. But I think it's like a giant was angry and was like spitting up a bunch of teeth or something like that. That might be very wrong and very disaffirmative. I can't apologize. Sure. And then crater lake. I don't know if you've been to that national park before. What event? Where is it? It's like a couple hours south of Portland. Okay. Really, really beautiful. It's volcano. It's got this lake that's like here's water in America, untouched like seven or eight thousand feet up.

9:21But this volcano used to be 12,000 feet tall. And it went erupted at a loss like 4,000 feet of elevation completely boosted up. And it's called Mount Mizzuma and the indigenous people there. We've had my 7,000 years ago and that's like part of their creation myths as well. So we've known about we've been hanging out with volcanoes for a long time. Right, right. And people have been trying to explain them. What? So it's not like, you know, the angels are bowling. That was what I was told as a child about lighting and thunder. Anyway, what do we know? Is it because the earth is made of lava? And then how do all volcanoes work? Do we know? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we know a decent amount. The earth is not a hundred percent magma. It's mostly other stuff. So the earth is like 4,000 miles to the center.

10:23And all of the magma that's erupting is maybe like five to 15 miles below the surface. So honestly not super deep. But it's about, as about to do hand movements and it's like, wait, it's a podcast. And like, no, there's also a video. Oh. So I could do hand movements. So you could show the people with your hands what you know and people will go to YouTube and check it out. Right around minute. I'm going to say minute 11 when we take the intro into account. Yeah, cool. An exciting plug for the YouTube. We're going to plug in these vlogs future episodes. Absolutely. So there's, it happens two ways or three ways. There's continental plates. We're sitting on a plate that's like a continent that's shifting around and stuff. And when one plate is filled like some ducks, it like dives under the other plate. It pushes down like water and like other gases and like the friction also like melts a bunch of rock.

11:23And then the rock becomes more buoyant and it comes up to the surface. Yeah. Also when two plates are moving apart, they're spreading. Oh no, there's a big gap. What if magma came out here, wouldn't that be all right? Nature or horse of vacuum. I usually use that emotionally, but clearly it's also to be used in science. Yeah, we have to fill the space at every single moment. Right, right. And then there's, there's the third type, which is called like a hot spot where it's not about plates. There's just, just a bunch of hot rock hanging out that is, it just melts through the plate itself and then pushes up. And then so like in the Hawaiian volcanoes, it's in the center of the Pacific plates. And most of the volcanism in the Pacific, you're going to like the ring of fire. That's like a bunch of volcanoes all on the edge of the Pacific plate. And then Hawaii is like in the center and it's got this hot spot that created all the islands.

12:23Oh, okay. So when when the volcano is just went off in, or avalcano in Hawaii, right? Like four years ago or, well, so actually, so in the past two years, Kilauea has erupted 55 separate times. So she's very active. She's going off a bunch. And what's the definition of erupted? Is it when Eddie magma comes to the surface or? So they generally define it as like a, like a lava fountain that you can see. But the biggest lava fountain was like 1700 feet high. So crazy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's a lot. That's, that's the grapevine, which is the, the, the, the small mountain in between Los Angeles and Bigger field. Anyway, is it Bigger's field? Whatever. It's on the five. It's great. Uh, highway talk. Hello and welcome to highway talk.

13:25The door for us 1700 feet is crazy, though. That's so high. Where was that? Uh, yes, those, those the big out of why those Kilauea at the summit. Oh, that was the actual Hawaiian 1700 feet into the sky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Yes, there. Okay. I'm so sorry. This is just going to be me interrupting you going, but, but, but, but, what about this? Please do. Okay. So if, if the Hawaiian volcanoes or one of them erupted 1700 feet into the sky, are there volcanoes that have erupted greater than 1700 feet into the sky from their point of, like, the whole. Okay. Yeah. That's a great question. So I guess I'm not super familiar with like what's the highest lava fountain? Sure. But there's, sort of like, there's more than two, but there's like two basic types of volcanoes. It's like the Hawaiian ones that generally like, it's a bunch of lava and, and, and that's

14:27fun. And it's like safer and you can like hang out and watch it generally as long as you're not too close. And then there's like the Mount St. Helens type of volcanoes that it's like a huge cloud of ash like pyroclastic flow like the stuff that very Pompeii. So that ash can go like 30,000 feet into the sky. It messes with like, you know, airplanes. And it's not always there. It's not always that ash doesn't always. Sometimes it's just the, the, the, that's a different, there's like, like you said, there's two different kinds. Yeah, yeah, yes. There's, there's one creates more ash than the others. Yes. Yeah. And like the, the viscosity of the lava like one traps a bunch of gas. So there's like more pressure and the pressure builds up and that's why it's like a big explosion and, and, and gas, and very, very dangerous. Um, ask them about it and Pompeii. And then, yeah, the Hawaiian volcanoes are generally safer.

15:31Let's say zero people die, but it's, it's much, much less. And yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't know if zero people died, but, but they didn't die from being hit by a volcano. For sure. If the volcano phone you, they'll be pretty rough. This is a whole new genre of Dork Forest. Watch Jackie learn in real time about science. Oh, for sure, then listen, I didn't know anything about volcanoes before. So she's sort of like the, the impetus for the special is back in 2023. I was the artist and residents at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park. I have spent like a month on the big out of Hawaii and like learn a bunch about volcanoes and Hawaiian history and then wrote some jokes based off of that. So, okay. All right. I was you three years ago. So there's hope. Right, right. And it's the only reason why my fellow wants to go to Hawaii. He, we're not beach people so much, but he wants to see the volcano.

16:34So which island are we going to if we want to see the volcano? So big island has got the Kilauea, which is the most active volcano in the world. Okay. I'm going to see live lava going on so that would, would recommend that. Also, Maui's got Haliakala, which is like technically active, but it's probably not going to erupt anytime soon. You can like drive up to the summit, 10,000 feet and see this, this called air with a bunch of like, cinder cones and it's very beautiful. It was like clouds. Oh wow. Like red, alien, like Marsy, otherworldly atmosphere, which yeah, yeah. That's on Maui. Yeah. That's on Maui, but it is of the people have gone with some people get altitude sickness because it's 10,000 feet. So I don't know how you are with heights. Yeah. Not good. It's not great. It's okay.

17:34And it gets worse every day. Every aging process is real and there's some sort of trouble. But Andy loves them. We went to a, we went to a crazy ass fort that didn't have any railings off the coast of Galway in Ireland and it was like a 4,000 year old fort. And so it was insurmountable. It was just essentially a cube of rock and you would walk up a very slow incline to get to the actual fort part, which nobody could attack because it was just a monolith. And it was so windy and Andy stood by the edge and I took a picture of him and he was looking over the sea and I was like, you're going to die. And I looked over the edge on my belly, just holding onto the edge with my phone going, I'm going to take a picture and then look at it later.

18:35And so I'm not great with heights, but I would like to see. Would you take it, have you ever been on a helicopter? Were you a surkelit? No, because the risk of death on a helicopter is pretty high. Oh, is it? Yeah, well, it's much higher than any other form of air travel. Oh, interesting. Regular plane, pretty good. Private jets higher than average plane, chance of crashing. So that's good for all of us for a folk out there. Right. I thought you were going to say you could afford a helicopter because they sound expensive. Yeah, I mean, that is well, but I remember looking a couple of years ago, being like, oh, my brother loves taking photographs. So to feel like for his birthday, I get him like, so this helicopter photo tour of New York and I was like, looking up how many of these crash and like, I'd never forgive myself if I killed my brother for his birthday.

19:36That would be a lot first. Yeah, yeah, to say the least. Is it a lot? It doesn't feel like I've been in a hell. I've always wanted a flying helicopter and I finally did fly an helicopter. And I have this to say about a helicopter flight. You go up, that's cool. And then you're on an airplane. There's all you do is doing this. Yeah. It's like, it's like being in the coolest car in the world where you're like, oh, cool, this car is watching. We get into this car than you're in a car. And you're done. It's not as exciting. A little bit less traffic in the air, I hope. Right, right. But and well, but I mean, like I would rather drive next to a really cool car than drive inside a really cool car. Yeah, because you can't see the cool car. I mean, I'm in a Corolla and you're in a Lamborghini. I get to see how cool a Lamborghini looks. You have to look at a Corolla.

20:36That's that's a wonderful point. It's well, I mean, it's it's it's inspiration. It's like don't work on yourself. Just surround yourself with people that have worked on themselves. And then that's it. Look, I'm just looking what I'm surrounded by. You have to living well dead now, example of exactly that. Sure. Yeah, I don't know if that's that's the role model we should all aspire to. At all, not at all. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't annoyingly go back and correct a brief miss on but delightful misunderstanding is when I'm in elevation, I'm at like altitude, like at like lower oxygen. How are you? And then you you were talking about like looking down over the. Yeah, yeah, Holly, you're not like really looking down over any sort of crazy clips. From that standpoint, I think you would be perfectly fine. I just not like, oh, good. If the airs, then they're like, like, how do you do? You keep into like Denver, like how do you do that? Yeah, yeah. No, I use oxygen.

21:36I use boosts, which are canned, they're canned oxygen, which either it's $15, where I've been essentially being robbed or I mean, if it's a placebo, it works good for me. And but going back and correcting an error that was might have been misunderstood earlier, means that you are in the right place, Ben Miller. The dark forest is exactly perfect for you. And let me remind people that he has a new special coming out. It'll be tomorrow because this will be, I think this comes out the 22nd and September 23rd on your YouTube channel, which if you go to BenMillerCommity.com, you'll be able to find his YouTube there. It'll be linked up and stuff. It'll probably even be embedded much like my specials are. Feel free to go and watch one if you haven't. Ben Miller comedy. Yep. As you say, our specials were directed by the same folks there from the dude. Dude, I did. And studio's in Denver. Yeah.

22:36Where did you get yours? Where'd you shoot yours? It was at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. Perfect. Perfect. Because here we are volcano, dark Ben Miller. And this has been Miller on the on the Instagram. So. Yeah. So you got to the artist in residence. What does that beat? Are you are you drawing volcanoes or your photographing? Yeah. I mean, everyone sort of made that mistake. I applied as a comedian, but they never obviously had a comedian before. Because why in the world would they? Right. You're going to make fun of the. That would be weird. Yeah. So everyone I told us the artist, they're like, cool. You're the artist. Where's your easels? And I'm like, so I just scribbled jokes. It's not exciting. I apologize. I love that they gave it to you though. I love that they were like, sure, you're an artist. Yeah, it was it was absolutely crazy. That the federal government recognized me as an artist before my family does.

23:38It's. And which federal government, not this federal government. This is the previous previous iteration. Yeah, this is in 2023. Oh, there we go. There we go. And so yeah, these guys aren't there. They're like, how can we find an artist and ruin them? And I was so sure yet they're definitely tearing down the national parks in the real bad way. Yeah, they're there. Uh, the business shit. I think it's been established. Uh, okay. So. So now, so in 2023, you spent a month around volcanoes and why you bend of Suvius. Have you what other volcanoes have you been to? Is it kind of so many? Really? Yeah, yeah, I'm very lucky in the volcano tour. I toward around a bunch to a lot of volcano places. So like Pacific Northwest is very volcano waste. So yeah, like crater lake. Is it like Mount St.

24:38Helen's. Like a baker. Yeah, there's a bunch of very dangerous volcanoes along the Spanerva Northwest that could go boom at any time and would be. Feel bad. But the shows there were fun. And that's all the right. That is. And people live there. So and so I remember when Mount St. Helen's erupted. Yeah. Well, what do you say? 1980. 1980. Right. It was a big deal. Yeah. It was, uh, it was a very big deal. I was, I was not anywhere near it. I was in Wisconsin. That's what we were that the, uh, the ash was going to get to us. That's a, that's what we were told. Um, it was, uh, and did it. I don't know. Um, but that was also right. I was also told that it was going to make a, uh, the winter of 81 was going to be

25:40milder. And so we were all like, Oh, good. And, uh, okay. So what, what other people were suffering? You know, like, oh, maybe this volcano gives me a little bit of hope. Right. Is there. And, you know, because now the other thing that I know about volcanoes, and this might tap me out. Who knows? Uh, because I was just reminded of it. It's supposed to be good for the soil. Yes. Uh-huh. That's, uh, you know, what do you know about that? Absolutely. I mean, it, it draws you in. It's, it's a real mean trap. It's like, oh, wow, our crops grow so good here. What if we built our whole civilization? I bet nothing bad will happen. Oh, right because the land is so fertile. You're suckered into being right there at the foot of a thing that could kill, kill you all. For sure. Until they'll eat good. Yeah. Absolutely. That's also really the beauty of the volcanoes that it's not like a monolith. It's not like that Fort and Galway.

26:40There is, there's also like, there's the destruction is also like the creation, the life, the renewal of the rebirth that that comes afterwards. Sort of the big event that take a full of canos. Um, I've also taken the show to Iceland. They have volcanoes out there. I've been, uh, I've been to volcanoes in Iceland. That's right. The one to the right. Uh, and when I say that if you go to wreck your thick and then go east, you're going to run into some volcanoes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, Iceland is pretty volcanic. Like, I think they have like 30 something volcanoes and they get an eruption like once every three or four years. So they're, they're pretty regular. Um, I was in New Zealand this year as well. They got a bunch of volcanoes down there. Wow, man. That's really cool. And so you've turned volcanoes, your cut, your comedy hour into just this, guess what?

27:43I'm going to go look at volcanoes all around the world. Yes. And congratulations, man. This is a good stuff. I've thought of another question. What do you know about dragons and virgins and this type of thing? And no, no, no, that I don't want to know. That is never going to be a, a door to them. Um, but, uh, no. Yeah, the, the, but the, the volcanoes. Do people live inside old volcanoes? Oh, that's the, okay. So actually in the city of Auckland in New Zealand and after all, has 53 volcanoes that all erupted in the past like 180,000 years. Last one being like 600 years ago.

28:43And so the, the, the, like a bunch of like little cones all around the city and indigenous Maori people actually like built various like forts in these cones and like, yes, they hung out in the volcanic cones had a nice time. Um, I'm sure there are other examples, but they're not coming. Right. Right, right. But, but because they're no longer, they're active, but those cones are, are, have already blown to some extent. So you, you can play the odds and build your village inside there and hope it doesn't, it does go off again. For sure. Yes. As long as you're, you're going to pack pretty quickly. Right. Right. Yeah. So, but it's also, I think we're like, you'd never know exactly when it's going to rub like those sort of the danger with Mount St. Helens is like, it was shaking and like giving off a little bit of ash for months.

29:44Right. And so like for a while, people like stayed away, but then eventually they're like, we sort of have to like live our lives. There's like, political stuff of like, it's around a bunch of forests that need to be logged because we need this money. So what if we sort of let people get closer and then, you know, I'm going to blue. Yeah. I think it's going to kill a bunch of people. 57. Oh wow. Yeah. So yeah. A moment of silence, you guys know, it's yeah. Fine. I don't, I sound incredibly mean. Anyway, yeah, it was, it was 50 years ago, you guys. And they decided to cut down a tree. So what, what are the, I don't know, what's your, do you have a favorite volcano that you've been to? Oh gosh. I mean, it's, it's really hard to pick. I think pick it up.

30:45That's a seal away. For sure, the one in Hawaii, I, I have paid to hang out with it. Also is the, you know, the only like live erupting lava volcano that I've seen before. So just incredibly powerful experience. Mount St. Helens as well. I mean, you can like see the, sort of like the violence of the eruption. You can like see how much of the crater has erupted. Like, yeah, it's just like a mens way obvious. Like, oh, something happened here. And oh, no. Right. Yeah. And I slid there's, there's like the, the main island. And then if you drive like a couple hours south of Reykjavik, and you take a ferry to this island back in 1971,

31:48it's like January, it's like 1 a.m. This little fishing island, this volcano unexpectedly erupts. And in the next five hours, they evacuate all 5,000 people in this town to the mainland. And for the next couple months, they are fighting this volcano. Because it's, it's like covering all the houses in ash. And the lava is like slowly creeping towards the harbor, which is the only source of income for this fishing town. Right. So they have like hundreds of people trying to cool the lava flow down. They're pumping like millions of gallons of sea water on this lava to cool it down, to slow it down for months. And then eventually this volcano stops erupting. And they've like just barely been able to cool it and slow it down, and have such that like the harbor isn't cut off.

32:49And then they're able to like unbury a bunch of these houses. And there's still some houses that are buried. They actually still have a museum on this island that's built around a house that's still partially buried. Oh wow. It's like a, it's like a modern update of Pompeii. Where it's like, on page there's like the distance of like, oh, everything's like made of stone and you moved 2000 years to go but to your life. It's like, oh, there's like a, you know, there's like a, like a corded phone from the 70s. That's like in the first day. Where everything's made of plastic. Yes. And it didn't melt because the ash was super hot, but it didn't, uh, right. So yeah, that's, uh, that's funny that it's, it's capturing. That moment 1971. Something we all remember. Right, right. You're like a television that has a, that has a tube, uh, you know, it's a box instead of just a flat screen.

33:54Yeah. It's like a cathode rate, who's rolling. Sure, sure. And, uh, um, yes, uh, I was there in 1971, you guys. We had transistor radios. It was amazing. Uh, that was the big, that was the big technological advancement. You can't put the, you can't put the, the, the indoor back in the box. Uh, she wasn't in the box. She opened the box anyway, but, uh, I know there's somebody out there going, she wasn't in the box, Jackie. Anyway, so, right. It's not her box. It's not big enough. Unplanned pregnancy. Learn how people are getting abortion pills by mail for a safe abortion at home, no matter what state they live in at plansea pills dot org. That's plansea pills dot org. Uh, so that's, that's actually really cool. I have been to Iceland, but we did not take that ferry and go look at that town. For sure, yeah. Yeah.

34:54Yeah, the museum's super powerful. And then also on the other side of this tiny island, they have a, uh, like a puffin observatory. We can just see thousands of puffins hanging out. And that's cool. Yeah, they're, they're, they're big, um, orange feet. And, oh yeah, since we went to the, uh, a herring museum, uh, that was entitled, uh, and the exhibit was called the Great Herring Adventure. Oh, see how it was. It was, yeah, I tried to go to that museum, but when I went to as a decoy, it was a red herring museum. Guys, Ben Miller does stand up comedy. A lot of people can't tell, but I can, because I'm a professional. Sorry, I'm sorry for interrupting your earn a story with that dump truck. It had to be done. It had to be done. You're not wrong. Uh, so, I was gonna, and I probably have told this story before, so that probably saved.

35:55Now, I'm going to tell it anyway, where angels, uh, the Great Herring Experiment, it was essentially the history of herring fishing in northern Iceland. And they were taking something like 14 million herring out of this sea. Every year, for a hundred years. And then the British and the Norwegians were also coming. And taking another 14 million each or whatever, you know, a gazillion herring were being, and then huge reveal 1918 or 1911. The herring didn't show up. For some reason, there were no herring that year. Guess what? You might over fish the herring. It might be out of herring. They might have to go off into a corner and have more herring before you could have any more herring. Anyway, I like to say the word herring. Yeah, it's a great word. And did you learn about the cod wars when you went out to Iceland? The Cog Wars was that it's, it's another fishing conflict.

36:56I think also with the UK about like fishing boundaries. And so yeah, Iceland is maybe like the 70s to the 80s, like sort of like fought the British Navy a couple of times. And then actually, I think it was the 16 hundreds. Oh, so they've been doing this the whole time. They've been. Right, right, right. They've been over fish these Icelandic people. They're ready to go to war. It's a catch. It's a cash cow. And the drop of it. And it's, I think they're one of their only, the fun facts about Iceland that I know is that there's a specific Iceland pony, a horse that if you take the horse off the island, it can't ever come back. Because it might have been genetically modified. They're trying to not introduce even though the horse is not indigenous. Yeah, I know it's maybe like the horse realized how much better life is outside. Of Iceland. This is really like a rummage string of for the horses.

37:57It's like actually don't want to return. I got to get out of this town, you guys. And then all of a sudden, they're seeing the world. They see the only thing they don't tell you about Iceland is like, when you take a shower, the water smells like sulfur. And it's, it is. It's a top setting. Yeah, it's well, except for that it's warm everywhere. What they also don't tell you about Iceland is if you go as a couple, I'm in love. We went, all beds are twin beds. And they push them together. If you're all married, like we're like we're Lucy and Desiardes. Yeah, it's it's pretty adorable. Yeah, it's it's adorable, except for that there's a crack in the middle of it. And you're like, what if we wanted a cuddle? And so there was a thought there was a discussion with Andy and I have turned them sideways. But then one of our butts went down and then we would be trapped that way.

38:59Well, thank you for making me thankful that I'm single. I did not have to think about this either for a moment. Not for a moment. Guys, Ben Miller's single seems like a nice young man. Hi, Aunt Jackie tells you that you should get out there and meet Ben Miller. So here's my here's my next question. Are there volcanoes you haven't been to that you want to go to? Yeah, absolutely. There were definitely some volcanoes that I tried to take the show to, but that I didn't was enabled to work something out. So Mount Fuji, like anywhere in Japan, they got a bunch of great volcanoes that it'll be super cool. Have you been to volcanoes without the shows? Not at this time? No, so I've never been to Japan. Okay, yeah. I have more specific. You've never been to Japan. Yeah, never been to Japan.

39:59Never been to Indonesia or any of the volcanoes. They have their Alaska. They have a bunch of volcanoes that would be cool to see the Canary Islands and the Azores as well. Or volcanic and those seem super cool. Where are the Canary Islands? There's a specific Atlantic. What is that? Off the coast of like Spain, Portugal. And Atlantic, thank you. Canary Islands. Thank you very much. Okay. What are the volcanoes that are cool? The ones in space, space volcanoes would be cool to visit. They're space volcanoes? Are they on the moon? The moon know Mars. Mars has the tallest volcano in the solar system, Olympus Mons. Because like all the volcanoes on Earth are driven by like plate tectonics generally.

41:00Except for like the right spot stuff. But on Mars, they don't have there's no tectonic plates. So all the volcano stuff just like goes to this one volcano. So it's like super big. Bigger than all the ones on Earth. Io, it's a moon of Jupiter. And it's very volcanically active. It's like four times as volcanically active as Earth. So it's it's spurting up all time. Actually, the Voyager space probe back in the 70s. The first ever image of a space volcano was taken of volcanoes of Ios. That's wow. And then there's. Would you want to go to space? Yeah, interesting. Yeah, if it wasn't like deeply unethical, I would like to go to space. Well, I'm not saying that NASA's unethical. I think they're doing good work. It comes up for NASA.

42:01All the private space stuff. Oh no. That just seems to be a great way to create a recreate the TV show, the Expans, which I know was a book. But what's always interesting to me is people are like, I want to go because I always thought I wanted to go to space. But it turns out I want to go to Star Trek. I want to go to Star Wars. I want it to be easy. Yeah, you want like cushy space travel. Yeah, and then adventure. Or, you know, just like, go to exploration and see something unique. I could do that. I could go to the Philippines. That's also could be done. I don't have to go to space. I've never been to the Philippines. The Philippines will be a foreign body for me. And I will get to see cool things. Yeah, there are also volcanoes in the Philippines. There are.

43:01This is what I know about Southeast Asia. It's riddled with volcanoes. Because I think that's what created it. Is that not so? Yeah, that sounds correct. And I wish I knew enough to give you a fully positive affirmative on this. Right, but I think it's like the Hawaiian thing. Yeah. I think I might be more like Pacific plate like that, the edge of this. Oh, it's my face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I might be the different volcano. Volcanism. Oh, no, so we've bumped up upon the edges of my volcano now. Well, you only have 20 more minutes. You're good. You can expose me for a fraud. Fair enough. We hit my edges. What you're going to get is mostly the cartoonish science that I'm available inside my brain just because I know a little bit about a lot of things.

44:02So that's very useful. So sure. What, um, yeah, so what else, what, what, what, what else do you, how do you study a volcano? Do you know that? Like how the, how the scientists do it or? For sure. So there, there's a bunch of different ways to, to study a volcano. There's all like that active hazard monitoring stuff where it's like used to trying to make sure is it going to erupt or not? So the, the signs are, is it shaking? There's like size monitors and like stuff that we also use for earthquakes. Volcanoes, they start shaking because like when the magma starts moving up, it like, they're like fractures the rock and stuff. And that's, that's why there's, they're shaking going on. So there's a bunch of earthquakes. You know, magma's moving volcano might be erupting. There's also, you can measure the tilt of, because, you know, magma is moving up.

45:05Volcano starts expanding the earth is literally start tilting. So you can measure it like directly on the ground with a bunch of various like tilt domators in like relation to each other is also satellites. They can measure the height with a satellite and then overlay the images and then see the difference and then see if it's okay. Okay. Wait, will the, will the planet actually turn a little bit? I don't, I mean, what do you mean? Or is it, so literally just like like that, the area at the summit will Okay. It's very utilized. And sometimes it's very subtle. Sometimes it's really big like in the weeks before the Matsutahalans eruption, the summit was expanding at a rate of four feet per day. And they didn't take that as a clue to get the hell out of the way. Or it would like, yes and no, I think

46:07Geodis learned a lot from that eruption for sure. It was, it was a great learning experience if all the people hadn't been hurt by it. Right. It's so weird though that because I don't, it is also like, is there, yeah, go ahead. You know, it was, it was like expanding and shaking and like doing ash for like months. So it's, it's really hard to predict exactly, exactly when Avocaine will erupt. I was going to ask so they don't have the technology to go, oh, it's probably going to blow at the next two days. They don't. I mean, you can tell like, it's, it's close to an eruption. And I think you can maybe tell like an hour before. Like really? It's going to happen. But okay. And then can they tell how long it'll last? No, I really, really tough to tell. So like the, the eruptions that are happening in Kilauea right now, like some of them are like

47:11a couple hours, some of them are a couple days. But there was one eruption that was active nonstop for 35 years from the 80s up until 2018. It's called Poo-Woo, it was a vent of Kilauea. And you can see lava just streaming into the ocean. You just walk right up to it. The whole time. 35 years. And then it, and then it ended in 2018. 2018 then stopped. Yeah. So I'm kind of sorry that I missed that. That's okay. There's lava around you. You'll, you'll see it. Yeah. There's, there's, there's other, is there other running lava? Yes. So destination. Yeah. I mean, the Italian volcanoes are decently active, like at not and stuff like that. I think of whatever there's, like Columbia is out of volcano or two. That's like pretty, pretty good chance. You'll, you'll see something.

48:12Okay. Yeah. Why is your, your only shot at lava? Seeing running lava. How about the continent of Africa? We're running lava. Yeah. So actually, in like last year in Ethiopia, there was a volcano that had erupted for 12,000 years. They thought it was extinct, but then it just erupted again. They're like, okay, I guess this does this. Right. Right. It's a, what would, if it's extinct, it would mean that it would be cut off from the magma, right? And so it was more like dormant as opposed to it. Yeah, it would have to be. I mean, yeah, I mean, 12,000 years, pretty good run of not having a volcano. And still having a very pretty, there was a volcano. I was just in Alaska a couple of days ago. And I was, yeah, and I was on the Can I Peninsula? And so there is a picture of me. I think somebody said that that was a volcano that we were, I was like,

49:16and I think somebody said that is a volcano. Yep. And very, very incredible mountain. Right, right. That would have been a super bossy mountain, but it was really good looking. And we did not go to the top of it. We instead went essentially to the seaside town that was a golden opportunity to buy taffy. But I think you're, you're, you're a big happy fan. No, I just, whenever I go to, you could, you look around, whatever you look around at, like a tourist town, you're like, that was a great place to buy a kite. And taffy. I do have you. I don't know if you do something whimsical feel like you're eight years old. Or you just, right. But you also like, feel a little bit hacky to have taffy. Like how many of these towns are actually making their own? Right. It does feel like it feels a little hacky. But it also, you know, you end up, you're like, well, this is where the cool thing is. There, there's also going to be taffy.

50:16Yeah. The least yellow. Heavy. Sorry. No, well, there's, because you could see the whales go by in pods. Like you can see a pot of beluga whales go by. What was your question? Let's just say, hey, have you been to Yellowstone? I have. Finally, just went about six or seven years ago. Yeah. Incredible. I remember it because it took like a family road trip when I was like 14. And I remember seeing like, like every place, there's like a, oh, here's Huckleberry, this Huckleberry jam, Huckleberry. And then you look on the back and it's like not, it's like made in Vermont or something like that. I mean, right. Right. Right. I remember it. You've been holding it in. 14-year-old heart. And also Yellowstone, all the like, grand prismatic springs, old faithful, old powered biovolcano, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. I was going to ask, because they're all hot. Right. So there's magma there that makes it toasty.

51:18And it's a really big volcano. There's a lot of like, fear, mind-growing on the internet. It's like, oh, it's a super volcano. It's going to erupt anytime. It's overdued. You know, that's not true. I mean, it could erupt, but we'll know about it. And also like, last time it was like hundreds of thousands of years ago. No, I mean, we'll know. Oh, okay. We'll know like we're in the rut up to an eruption. There's a bunch of scientists monitoring it. Right. It's not going to happen when you're looking at the geyser, the old faithful. Like, you're not going to go up to old faithful and go, oh, is this what it blows? It's old faithful, by the way. Since we have running water, not as cool. As it probably was a couple of years ago, where you're like, not that we have fountains now. We can, I've seen that. Air water shooting into this guy. But what I will say about Yellowstone was that it was gorgeous. There was all kinds of flats and sort of like, I don't know, what's alkaline?

52:22There was, you know, there's a lot of sulfur going out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the sulfur. It's stinky. Yeah, super stinky at different places, but very pretty. Yeah. And did you, because in Iceland, they have, they've literally just called it geyser, because like, that's the word is Icelandic. And it's about, and it's, it's so pathetic. We were thinking that was much better. Yeah. My favorite thing, we went to the geysers. We would have several different geysers. And there was always a tiny sign that said, it's really hot. Don't touch it. But it was just one sign. They're like, we're not, we're not playing this game. You're an adult. You will control your children. You will, you will, you have been warned. It's steaming, you dumb dumb. Don't touch it. But I will say this, tempted to touch it, because you're like, because it's all steaming. And you're like, how hot is it?

53:24And I did not, because I didn't want to burn myself. It turns out. Absolutely. Also, like Iceland's like known for all their like, oh, we have these geothermal baths come, sit and hang out. They train you to get in their water. And they're like, actually not this water, though. Not this water. This is not yet been, it's not far enough from the source. We went to at least three baths. We went to, we went to one fancy one, and then we went to two towns. Every town has one. You just wanted some random hot tub and abac yours. Yeah, we're almost. It was essentially the public pool. And so the like, townies are just sitting in there. Because you know, how it's dark, 11 months out of the year. Yeah. So my favorite story in Iceland was because it was really light. It was May, I think we went. It was, it was 11 o'clock at night. We had forgotten to eat. And so everything was closed. And so we were wandering around sort of a suburb of Reykjavik. And there were two 12 year old boys sitting on top.

54:26They look like they were like 10, 14, right? 10 to 14, probably 12. Sitting on top of a big, like a supermarket building, like a quonset hut size giant building. They were at the tipi top of it. And so I yelled up to them. Do you, do you speak English? And one of the boys said, my friend does. And then his friend looked down at me, down to us and yelled, fuck you. And I was like, it was perfect. At the timing, I was like, it's amazing. Now 12 year old, 12 is the same the world over. And then that's beautiful culture. Right. And then I asked if they were, if there was anything that was open. And the kid goes, yeah, the pizza place, that's it. It's nice. Is there the, they were mean, but they still help you ask. Right, right. They just wanted to get the laugh. And I think we can support that. Yeah.

55:26And practice their English too. They're really right. Right. I loved my, my friend speaks English. Because they both clearly spoke English. Anyway, um, yeah. So now you have, now you have six minutes. What, uh, what, what, what do you want to say about volcanoes that I don't know or that like, what should do? What should you know about volcanoes? They're, they're, they're super cool. They're, you know, they're erupting all the time, not all the time. Um, I don't know. I should have prepared for this moment. But right. This find this and in summation. No, you're not. Yeah. It's, it's, there's no need for PowerPoint. The, um, did you ever study volcanoes? Like did you know? So I did you want to catch my degrees in material science and engineering. But I don't really know anything about geology.

56:27Um, so if I got a fact wrong and the volcano show, please don't, or even this podcast, please don't be mad at me. I'm just a guy doing it. You don't do. You should do. If you want to really have this discussion with him, go to his YouTube channel. Watch his special on, on volcanoes. Get those numbers up on YouTube. And then leave a comment saying, yeah, I heard you had the dork forest and it turns out volcanoes are actually 17 inches wide or whatever. Fun fact, you have for sure. Yeah, I got a little bit. The show does sometimes get like very nerdy. I was like, I remember one of the first times I was doing the show and like filled Delphia before I even touched the mic. Guy in the front row is like, I'm a geologist. And if you had a fact wrong, I'm going to heckle you the entire time. Oh, I actually don't mind that at all. I mean, the thing is, as you were, I will say this. You were kind of asking for it. For sure. Yeah, but I was. I was I think for it.

57:29Well, I I proceeded to make fun of him for the next couple of minutes. And then it was like, but also if you do have a correction, please tell me. They didn't have the entire show. So. Oh, so accurate. Do you have any merch? Did you have any volcano merch that you were selling? No, I for my money on the table bed. I don't know. For my previous tour, I tried to do t-shirts and it was such a hassle. And I'm just not no one looks at me as like, I need to buy this man's t-shirts. So I was just lugging around the suitcase full of t-shirts everywhere. And I think it is. It is. It is. It is. Yeah, it's a it's a separate skill set. Some people I happen to have that skill set, but I don't have other skill sets, right? Oh, yes. I can I can sell anything. It's fine. But I can't like, I don't know how to edit. So. Some people have turned their YouTube channels into real cash cows because they know how to do picture within picture and then make fun of anime.

58:30And I'm talking about Atticus, Lori Kilbarton's son. So. Very specific call out. And it's super specific. He's not listening. And for sure, she isn't. That's what we really know. Because I have another podcast with her and she's not one. Uh, everybody, I'm going to call it. I'm going to say Ben, we talked about volcanoes, except where I interrupted, uh, for a good hour. And we've been talking with Ben Miller about Ben volcanoes. Miller is spelled like Miller. And Ben is spelled like Ben. So if you go to BenMillerComedy.com, you'll have all of the information. His new special is coming out. It'll be tomorrow, the 23rd of September, 2026. It's on his YouTube channel. It's called volcanoes and his Instagram will have clips. Stowed out at his Instagram is at this is Ben Miller. And thank you so much for doing the show. And this is super fun. Really appreciate you have me.

59:31Great, great talking volcanoes. And Rangers, you know the rules out there. Take care of each other. My hat, my hat, my hat. They're dancing around my hat. My hat, my hat, my hat. Well, what do you think? Go that if it looks like a Mexican hat dance. It sounds like a Mexican hat dance. It's most likely a Mexican hat dance. So take off your hat and let's dance. Yay! Oh my god. Why don't we just call that as the end of the show?