BAES 172: Why Muse is such a big deal

0:00College football is back. So, Hilton called to me the superstition concierge to make your fan rituals a reality. Need a room to match your lucky number? We got you. Want to make sure our team doesn't wash your lucky jersey? Oho, that smells lucky. Hilton's unmatched hospitality can keep up with any superstition. Even a marching bandwink up call it 555 and 55 seconds. Hit it! When you need a team that will do whatever it takes on game day, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for this day. This week, we're talking all about mues. How you can find your mues? What to look for in a mues? No, silly, Billy. Metas mues. Mark Zuckerberg's mues. Mark Zuckerberg basically stole instinct and was like, we can do that and release it to our massive user base. I simply cannot imagine writing an article in the New York Times in front of God and everybody that says, I thought maybe I would donate to charity or buy my ill girlfriends a flowers, but the robot told me to buy a plate. So that's what I did. Wow, wow.

1:00They say, for us, mues gives us back the scaricest thing we have. Time with the people we love. I don't think that's true. They've been saying that to us for a really personal decade. We're just trying to connect people with who they love and who they care about and give them more time to do the things that they love and they care about. So they can love who they love and care about. I would say what they're actually doing is they're offloading, caring about the people they love. Too a thing. So it's like you don't have to care anymore. I'll care for you. And what does that leave you with if you're just now having more time with your wife who you love? At a certain point, you get so far from it that the robot knows more about your wife than you do. God willing, she'll leave you for the robot. God willing. I'm looking at time with Ben and me. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on.

2:00So listen up. Don't be near me. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Ben and a Meal show. I am Ben. I'm a Meal. And we're going to tell you what's going on. What is going on this week? We're talking all about... Muse. How you can find your muse? What to look for in a... No, silly, Billy. Metas muse. Mark Zuckerberg's muse. Do you remember the first time you found out you found out about what a muse was? I mean, I remember the first time listening to the band muse, circa 2008. For me, it was that bad... What's that guy's name? The movie The Muse. Yes, with... I forget the guy's Albert Brooks. Yes. Yeah. And it's Darrell Hanna. No. I feel like it's Sharon Stone.

3:00I think you're correct. Yeah. And I remember asking my parents, like, what is it? It's like a woman you want to have sex. So maybe you jerk off too, son. So that's no what this is. But it's... They're beating everybody. They totally took everybody by surprise over the last few weeks. And we are going to tell you exactly why that is so important. What's the big deal? What it is? What it's doing? And the other things that they just announced over the last week. Before we do that, we got the Q&A coming today. We're going to do that after hours. Ben and Emil Show.com. Sign up there. Please support the show. Also, hey, yesterday we did a... We did a special edition little video about the Anthropic IPO leak. So if you're an audio listener, you got to tune in the YouTube man. That's not going on audio. It's not going on audio. That's for the two B's out there. Two B's and boobies. Oh, and check out Ben and Emil on aliens. Yeah, Ben and Emil on aliens. Aliens. And if you liked it, there's a longer cut coming to the Ben and Emil Show website.

4:03It should be up right now, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like twice as long. It's... People are going crazy about it. They're saying it's one of the best things we've ever done. Anyway, so... Muse. So Muse. What is it? The next way to explain it is that... It's a little guy who lives in the computer. Mark Zuckerberg basically stole instinct and was like, we can do that and release it to our massive user base. Yeah. It launched September 8th. And if you go to their little link there, that first one, they put out a... They put out a blog post by Mona Sarantaco. Oh, great. Nice. And Christine A. Wad, which sounds like a slur... Kind of, right? A. Wad. Get a little bit of this A. Wad. Like, Aswad. It sounds like short for Aswad, doesn't it? Anywho, it is a... I like this. So in the second little paragraph, they say... They talk about why it's the How and the Why.

5:05They say, for us, Muse gives us back the scaricest thing we have. Time with the people we love. I don't think that's true. They've been saying that to us for a really... It's a really personal... Over a decade. We're just trying to connect people with who they love and who they care about and give them more time to do the things that they love and they care about so that they can love who they love and care about. I would say what they're actually doing is they're offloading caring about the people they love. Too a thing. So many of the examples which we're going to get into are it's always like... It's like, hey, I had to do this thing for my wife. You do it. Yeah. Oh, I found these flowers that your wife likes and the reason I know what flower she likes is because I've been reading your texts. Great job, Muse. I'm going to get a blowjob. So it's like, you don't have to care anymore. I'll care for you. Yeah. And what does that leave you with if you're just now having... More time with your wife who you love.

6:05I guess. Yeah. To focus on the things that matter. At a certain point, you get so far from it that the robot knows more about your wife than you do. God willing, she'll leave you for the robot. God willing. Yeah. And I feel like when you're talking about time with loved ones, like some of the examples are specifically like... Some people don't want to spend time with your loved ones. No, or we like doing those things you're removing. It's like... Have you ever planned a trip with your partner or friends and gotten together and been like, okay, let's talk about... Let's talk about what we're going to do on the trip. Let's send each other things for weeks. And they're like, no, no, don't bother doing that. Have your musees send them to each other. And it's like, why? I like sending it to my friend. You know, like, if me and Sarah are going on a trip, we're going to... Like, we'll have a session where we're just like sending each other things, looking at things being like, ooh, this looks fun. We should do this, blah, blah. You don't want a little furry cartoon avatar with a huge butt doing it for you?

7:05It can, sure. I'm just saying, you know, if you're going to tell me you're doing it so I can spend more time with my friends and loved ones, I'm like, no, that's not what... When we went to Japan, me and you fell out of funny little zoom and a Google doc and we're sending each other things. We're like, oh, we could do this, we could do that. Yeah. Well, they go on to say, we want muse to be maximally helpful in achieving your task's and goals. In fact, the first line of our system prompt reads, your purpose is to make your user's life better. Okay. So it's basically an AI agent. And if you haven't, it's like, think of it as one step beyond further above the chat bots that we've all become so accustomed to over the last few years, chat GPT and all that stuff. It can actually do things. It's basically the first thing they've been talking about for... I mean, how many times have you heard the like,

8:05a gentick word thrown around? They're saying we're finally here. And it lives in your like Facebook WhatsApp Instagram ecosystem from Facebook. They say it has its own computer on the cloud or something. It can like navigate the internet. You give it permissions for your credit card, your messages, access to all of this stuff. You have to trust it. And it can do things like order groceries, call customer service, send emails, book appointments, plan travel. And yeah, it runs on the muse Spark AI model, built specifically for agentic work. It's fully just the tweet where it's the guy being like, oh, dude, you got to watch it. It's on people. It runs on the muse Spark. Yeah. And it is essentially the same thing as instinct, which is so fucking psychotic. It now has a $10 billion valuation. I can't confirm it. I've been looking the best I can do is there was a tweet

9:07and then there was a LinkedIn post talking about how Meta had actually offered to buy instinct for a massive amount. Yeah. And instinct said, no, I can't confirm it. But it is consistent with Meta's moves from, you know, for so long. They love being like, hey, we love your product. Let us buy it and incorporate it. And the company's like, no way, dude, we're doing so well. Look at how many users we have. And Meta's just like, yeah, all right. We'll just, we'll just build it out on our platform. I immediately can't think of how anybody like instinct is even going to be able to compete with this. Because Meta's already got such a head start. They've already got over a billion users throughout Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp. They're advertising it to their existing user base. It makes the most sense if you are a person interested in this kind of thing to just go with them. Rather, when I opened WhatsApp, it literally, look, I got a little new meat muse, your personal AI agent hand off everyday tests,

10:08like managing your email booking reservation and tracking prices right from WhatsApp. It's a nice idea and I haven't tried it yet. And how many people use WhatsApp and just got this message? Billion, over a billion. So it's a big, big deal because this is the first agent, the first AI agent from any of the major tech companies. They beat everybody. They beat open AI. They beat out Google. They beat out Anthropic. They beat them on so many levels. And it's really, they seem to be doing a good job at it too, which is part of the reason why the stock jumped up to 25%. This is the only thing I've been... I mean, I said the same thing when instinct came out. I had gotten a invite to instinct. Because I was like, oh, you know, if we're going to be trying... If we're going to be talking about these things, it'd be great to try them. Yeah. There's just no way to try these things without doing the goofiest shit with your data and being like... Yeah. Sure, Metta. I guess here's my medical records, my banking records. No way.

11:08Have fun in there, you little cheeky robot. Start sorting stuff out for me. Yeah. Have fun, cutie. There's no way. I won't even let Claude... Like, nothing is connected to any of my... Nothing is connected externally. Yeah. There's just no way. I mean, there's enough stories where it's like, why would I risk it? Yeah. I keep getting... My shit must have gotten hacked somehow. I keep getting calls that say on the phone, Google, like the caller ID is from Google. Oh, I got that one. And they call twice in a row. Yeah. And then they leave a voice in it. That's how they get you. Oh, shit. Something really must be wrong with Google. And then you pick it up. I picked it up. And they had me for a second. They had me on the line. I was like, oh my God. And then as soon as they said, I needed to log in to something for them. I was like, brother, come on. They got me like a year and a half ago. Oh, shit. And I did everything. I don't remember how they convinced me that what I was doing, I was like, this feels fine. The guy said he was from the Google security department. He did have an Indian accent. I don't know if that's a positive or a negative.

12:08Because some of these scammers are in India. It's a thing. But he said that I had my account. I can't remember the details, but I had been... Maybe it was Amazon. But either way, I had been hacked. And they asked me to just change my password and to do like additional two-factor authentication. And I remember just like racking my brain. I'm like, okay, if this were some kind of trick or something, surely I wouldn't be put in a position to change my password. They're not telling me what to change it to. So, and nothing has happened. I haven't lost anything. I've since gone in and changed my password again. I don't know, I don't know if I know. But either way, in that same article that they talk about, I forget who's actually writing it, Maria or something, she says that it...

13:08She's obviously been working with Muse Behind the Scenes for a while. And she said that it has managed her kids back to school prep by monitoring emails, school district website, and keeping track of all of that for her, putting dates on calendars, buying school supplies. And she said it's been a total life changer for her. And I'm like, okay, that's the kind of thing that I think, just broadly, it can probably benefit parents and stuff. But still there... And it was like, it caught some deadline for some sport. Like the kid needed to be, have some paperwork filled out. And it was like, oh, hey, by the way, your son's going to miss T-Ball tryouts. Deadlines like in four hours and they filled out the forms. And yeah, it also has a human in the loop feature that checks in with you on critical actions like before a purchase or sending an email. And that's you. That's you. You are the human. Yeah, yeah. I just want to make clear that's not... Meta does not have a human forever user that's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

14:10Yeah. Let's be careful before we send that one. So they launched it on September 8th. And then last week they had their big Meta Connect 2026 where Mark Zuckerberg, who trots out there and he's like, hey, everybody, and this is what we've got. I... From the Frog. The Frog took over... Mark, these Zuckerberg here. It's free for users, but eventually they may... They say they may take transaction cuts. It's free for users, but you get limited, I think, on a lot of stuff. Right. So you can either pay into like $20 or there's even a higher tier if you want to really... If you really want to take the governor off this thing. Yeah. And let it crank out. They've already... It seems like every day they're adding new companies that they're integrating with. They've already got Walmart Best Buy Gaps before Instacart, Expedia, Cores, Ulta, Wayfair, Box, GitHub, Grenola, Notion on the software side. And Shopify too.

15:12Interestingly though, Amazon has... Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Some companies are being like, no, excuse me. We don't allow your little digital shoppers here. Which is surprisingly... We don't take kindly to clankers here. Yeah. Yeah, kid out of here. No clankers left. Which I found out through... There was a guy who... He wrote an article for The New York Times that said, I gave... Which this feels like an ad honestly. I gave my life over to Meta's AI agent and was blown away. Oh yeah. And this is the honestly the kind of stuff where I'm like... Yeah, what are you... You're not giving me what you're promising. So he says, to test Muse, I experimented with it nonstop for two weeks, giving over many aspects of my life to it. I had to trust Muse with my most personal data, insane. Which included connecting into my bank accounts and email. Then I had to perform dozens of day-to-day tasks, including ordering my groceries, scheduling my meetings, and setting my fantasy football lineups.

16:12Dude, this is where I'm like, what is the point of any... Why bother playing? Yeah. Why about the whole fun is to see if you can do well. To see if you can look at stuff and go, okay, he's playing like this. I feel like blah, blah. I don't play in fantasy football. I've done it before. I know people have all kinds of intricate scenarios that happen if you come in last place because it's like, oh, you idiot. You got to go to a diner for 24 hours. You need waffles. Your brain is so bad at picking these things. What? How is this fun for you? It's like cheating at golf. What the fuck? You're obviously you're playing against people, but you're cheating yourself. You're cheating yourself. Is that the same article where he meets someone off of Facebook Marketplace? I think so. It's the one where he... The agent starts... He accidentally texts the person thinking he's texting the agent. Yeah.

17:12And he is like, well, so there are some things. It's like... It all stems from this. He says, two weeks in, I found Muse to be the most useful AI app I had ever used. One clarifying moment came after I connected my credit cards to Muse. Also, you're so not, dude. I had asked it to track my spending in Google Sheets. I watched as it spun up tabs with hundreds of rows of data each in minutes, then flag duplicate subscriptions, which it canceled for me. Then Muse used my email to request a refund for free newspaper trial that had expired, saved me $45. Wow. That's a genuine use. Sure. Like if you're deploying the things that save you money, still I wouldn't necessarily trust it with all my information in this way. But yeah, so he has that $45. He asks the AI, hey, what do you think I should do with the $45 that I saved now that it knew him a little bit? And he thought it was either going to suggest a charitable donation or buying his... Oh, buying his girlfriend flowers who was recovering from surgery.

18:14And instead... He bought plates. Yeah. He's like heath ceramics. I'm not sure what that is. Most Bay Area-ass tech thing. It just sounds like... Who's... I don't pay attention to ceramics. And then so he unleashes this thing on Facebook Marketplace and it's just like haggling for him. Yeah. I found it interesting that the person that he ends up meeting, he asks, hey, would you ever use it? One of these things and it was the person said, no, I wouldn't trust it with my sensitive information. The comments on this article are very funny. But specifically to the Facebook Marketplace thing, one guy, Andy from Portland just wrote, wow, using AI to spend days badgering local artisans into giving a 50% discount on their wares. If we thought humans were lousy now, I guess we're just getting started. That's awesome. A lot of them are very funny. And it's like the same... It's the same thing you would think. The top comment on the article, the most recommended comment is just...

19:16So you gave me your personal health and financial data when their main revenue stream is selling that data so you didn't have to be on hold. Sounds like an incredibly poor tradeoff for me. And by far, my favorite one, I simply cannot imagine writing an article in the New York Times in front of God and everybody that says, I thought maybe I would donate to charity or buy my ill girlfriends of flowers, but the robot told me to buy a plate. So that's what I did. Wow. Wow. Yeah, fuck this guy. Well, that begs the question. What... I mean, I know we talked about the two developers who wrote that blog post on what they're building and a little bit of why, but Alexander Wang, the billion dollar man, the billion dollar AI guy that they're paying literally that much money, three commas worth of money to come in and rock their shit. He posted a very brief thing on Twitter saying titled why we're building news and he talks about...

20:20Kind of, I get what he's saying. He says, most people never say what they want. It's not because we don't want. We want fiercely and constantly. It happens in the moments before falling asleep or while daydreaming on the right home. We want to spend more time with our families, overcome social anxiety, eat healthier, open a bakery, build an app, or just find more moments of calm and hectic life. But rarely do we get to even express these dreams. And even more rarely do they ever come true. When we can't name our dreams, we mostly can't reach them. The world is a maze of forms and gatekeepers and schedules and obstacles. And most dreams die by a thousand paper cuts long before they are said aloud. They die in the not knowing where to start. And in the phone calls never made. Every unrealized want is a quiet tragedy of human potential. Now imagine every person on earth with a second mind beyond their own. A general manager whose sole job is to find out what you want and make sure it happens. Someone that hears the half sentence, I feel like there's something more I could be doing and helps fill in the blanks.

21:24Someone that says, this is the thing you've been dreaming of your whole life. Let's go get it. Here's how. And then builds a plan. Tends the email, makes the phone call, finds the funding, keeps you on schedule. So clears the way and solves all the problems it can until the human part, the wanting and the dreaming is all that's left. We have no idea what people will want. The world until now has been shaped by the small number of fanatics who have somehow found a way to make their wants real. But we've never seen humanity with every single person's agency fully switched on. Eight billion people who just need to write their dream down in order to get started making it happen. So we built mues to help people build the world they want. Here's to wanting. Here's to dreaming. Here's to everyone. Okay, Elizabeth Holmes. This is so dramatic for a goofy little. Say it. Tech tech guy. No, no, no, for a goofy little sass watch looking thing. Yeah, for a little like a little product that you can. Well, yeah, this is the image.

22:25And he's also so Alexander Wang to his credit. He is putting on a masterclass of ship posting on Twitter after all this is like all this. The thing I've realized in the past, how I like throughout doing the show is that tech is just out of ideas. And they're basically just like reiterating things to us. And then they're in different packages. It's like, you know, how different is this from e-commerce? See, there was like, it was like whatever three months ago or whatever because the agentic thing has been the thing on everybody's mind forever. And one of these like freakish little Silicon Valley guys posted like holy shit. And he basically had a little thing, like a little add on that he attached a slack where his employees could go in and be like. Order order this dish from whatever restaurant.

23:25And he's like, it's here. I'm just going how different is that than pulling out fucking postmates? Truly. Yeah. How different is it? Well, because now I know how to leave slack. I can do it while I'm still working. Do this. Smallsy post of like humans, what makes them human is desire. And they don't even know what they want sometimes. That's why we've built mues. What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. There's also some pretty evil people out there. I don't think we need 8 billion people suddenly being able to have their wildest wishes come true. It's very strange to watch them act as if they're just like revolutionary revolutionizing revolution. Revolutionizing. Yeah. Our lives with all of this. You know, when you're talking about the mom with her kids, I'm sure that is. That's great. I love that. I'm sure there's great. I've never had kids. I have a wife. We have we have a shared calendar. We add things to it.

24:25Mr. Bragg or you? We set reminders and stuff. I'm sure. Okay. Great. I bet this can help you on those little things. Is it? Did you ever stop to think about like the New York Times guy? Maybe you would benefit from having an AI-generated podcast play a 10 minutes worth of your daily stuff. Oh, dude. That part was so fucking brutal. He puts a little 39-time to start the day. Morning and San Francisco. Can you start the day? Grab your coffee, Eli. You're on your way. Seahawks scores and AI news in the mix. SF headlines and your fitness fix. It's the morning brief. The morning brief. Your morning brief is here. Happy Wednesday, Eli. It is September 16th and you are listening to the morning brief. We have a packed one. A merger across the Atlantic. A mastodon tooth in a Bay Area Creek. And the Seahawks getting a lot of love from the betting market. Let us start with football. Seattle heads to Arizona on Sunday. And the odds makers are saying something interesting.

25:26The Seahawks opened as a 10 point favorite in the look ahead line. But yeah, it's basically that dream Sam Altman was talking about. Picture you're driving along and you're talking about the hell up. You don't want to talk to him. So you just have AI make you a little podcast. Did you see the thing though? You don't need an agent to do that. That's what I find so odd. So many of these things. I'm like, all right. Sure. You can just do that with a chap. Potterwater. There's also fucking hundreds of thousands of human-made podcasts out there. Surely you can find one. Surely there's a podcast out there. That speaks about your kids specific soccer game that day. Tiffany's got a soccer game today. And we're going to be talking about the soccer game. God damn. I hope that car crashes. And I hope the kids are okay. I also do kids really want to listen to. No, it's like that every time I've been with my friends who have kids, the kids just are like, we want to hear that song. We've heard seven million times. Run it again. Like Coco Mellon, the musical.

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28:32Bro, you guys were operating on old systems. Soono is about to blow your dick off. You can, you can now have personalized music made by AI. I, you know what? Fine. Enjoy yourself, man. If it means one less person like you at whatever concert I'm going to, just fuck off. Enjoy yourself. It is scary though, because like as much as, as much as we make fun of these people, like they're often proven right. I don't know it's sure. Like, not everything is a problem that needs solving, especially using it. I mean, well, that's, I do. Well, this song really speaks to me, but not enough. I dare any AI company to create a groundbreaking platform that isn't just putting creatives out of work. Every time they're like, there was another one that just aren't you sick of musicians. They just came out that was basically like, it was basically like, oh, this is just going to put out of work every voice actor. Yeah. Yeah.

29:32I've been hearing AI voices on on the radio a lot recently. It's very fresh. I mean, it's, it's every other week. They're like, this changes everything. You no longer have to pay a human to do this work. Yeah. Speaking of this changes things, let's talk about how the market reacted. Meta itself gained over 25% in the last few weeks since, since this all started launching, because they were, the stock was pretty hated. Everybody was more focused on how much money they were spending versus the limited return. Especially measured against all the competition out there. It felt like, well, what do they have to show for it? And then they launch Muse Spark and then this Muse thing itself. Which he said, he's, he went on and he said, like in five years, every person is going to have a personal agent or whatever. Yeah. And I do also just want to point out he's, he said a lot of things are going to happen. Totally. He said everyone was going to be on the Metaverse. I will say that.

30:32The difference here is that he was alone in making those proclamations about the Metaverse. Whereas this one, it's him and everybody else. But that doesn't mean that it's anymore true. It's just that he's not alone now. He's not alone. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I guess it depends though. Like, it depends what he's talking about. Are they going to be like managing your life or have they created a new, because honestly, a lot of the things with LLM, these chatbot things, I'm like, it feels to me as if you created a new way to search. It feels like a different search engine to me. A little smarter one. It's a little personal librarian. You get to boss around. And sometimes when they show a lot of these things, I'm like, okay, so it's e-commerce, but it's different. Yeah. So now I just type in what I wanted the restaurant. Well, part of the part of the, it wasn't just Meta's stock that went up. As it turns out, human laziness is and was worth billions of dollars to other companies.

31:35What do I mean by that? Well, companies whose businesses relied in part on customers renewing, booking, buying, and forgetting things fell really hard. Planet Fitness is publicly traded stock. It looks like the New York Times article guy where he was like, it found multiple things that I was able to subscribe for. It found a thing that I forgot to cancel for my refund, whatever. Yes. Because those, the savings that you get, that that guy gets from cancelling a subscription, cancelling a free trial, you name it. Those savings is some other company's revenue. Sure. And that's worth a lot. Case in point, Planet Fitness dropped over 10%. New York Times dropped 7.2%. Charles Schwab, the brokerage company dropped 6%. And all state, the insurance company dropped 5.5%. Booking.com, Airbnb, TripAdvisor, AllFell, Netflix fell to basically anything in anything touching insurance banking, brokerage, telecom, software, and gyms all got hit

32:39and continued again. Everything everyone's financial model is that now to just give you a free trial of something and never let you out of it. I had to go to Verizon for my phone was broken. And he was like, I wasn't paying attention. I was just trying to get my phone fixed. And then he was like, oh, when I gave you, you've got Verizon CareNow for the next three months if you want it. And you've got like Google Google AI Plus, whatever. I was like, all right, I just wasn't anything about. We're giving you Google Boys. It's Google for boys. And then I got home and I was like, I guarantee if I don't do anything, it's going to start charging me. Yep. I log in as like this motherfucker and I just start like canceling all these stupid S free trials that it would have made my bill at least $30 more every month. I was reading that the UK, correct me if I'm wrong if you're out there. I believe that the UK had to enact a law recently because insurance companies and any

33:42kind of recurring model like mainly insurance I believe. They, a big part of their business model became raising prices every year on existing customers without alerting their customers without any kind of heads up just and they just kept doing it to the point where it was like, oh yeah, that's just what we do. And yeah, shit like muse. Well, I mean, I feel like that's everything with like they say with, uh, with your internet provider. They're like, oh, well, you basically got to switch every two years because you lock in the good price and then they're like, okay, now we hit you with the real price. And most people are too lazy to be like, I'm not switching internet providers every, but if you do it, you can pay like $50 a month. Yeah. But if you don't, they're like, it's actually $180 about for some reason. Yeah. And if you've got an AI that can find cheaper insurance in the case of brokerages, they can move cash that's earning very little to higher yielding accounts. If it can cancel subscriptions, compare travel prices, get refunds, get, uh, rebates and

34:45all that stuff. That has a big effect on the bottom line of other companies that are offering those things and that are relying on friction and they're relying on laziness to make money. So it's going to be really interesting to see how all this shakes out. Uh, yeah. And it's so far on track to be the biggest AI app ever. If you click that link, I got a, there's a graphic that someone shared. It is so far being downloaded at a faster clip than even chat GPT when it first launched, which was like the number with the biggest one ever. Yeah. Um, yeah. And Mark Zuckerberg said that it's unlikely to make money until about at least 2028, but just to give you a clue as to what could lie ahead. The instinct CEO has said that 50% of their transactions so far are travel related and they are already doing over a billion dollars a year in total volume, not, not revenue just like the, Hey, if you book a thousand dollar ticket through, they count that.

35:48Yeah. Um, so that's the potential good. That's, let's talk about that. The some of the potential good, uh, check this out. They, they had this guy on this guy on Twitter, Peter Yang shared about, uh, about how muse ordered him a cake. And it apparently I, I guess you can see the, um, transcript. Yeah. Muse says, hi, I'm Haley calling on Peter Yang's behalf. I'm just as like two. It's basically they have a male and a female. One of it's Haley and some, I forget the other guys curiously. You don't get to pick the race. I wish you could do that. Um, just saying how would that help you? I just, maybe I maybe I, hey, what's the default voice? Is it a white person? What is his family? Just saying. I'm transcribing our call for notes. I'd like to place a cake order for pickup today. And I like the recipients says, hello. Yes. Hi, still here. I'd like to place a cake order for pickup. Yeah. What kind of cake? An eight inch chestnut cake, please.

36:49And then it says the cakes ordered eight inch chestnut cake with happy birthday blank on it. Pick up after 3 p.m. Today, uh, here's the price. And then scrolling down, there is a counter example. Uh, oh, I'm sure that they said no is a different thing. Go, go back, go back. There's a tweet below that where he says counter example, someone else posted their own interaction. Someone called Gueras plumbing in Inglewood, Colorado. Um, and the guy answered saying, this is Robert. And Mew says, hi, this is Brett calling on on kit. Gord Honda's behalf. I'll be transcribing this call for notes. I'm looking for a quote to install three customer supplied, but days prayers. Can you help with that? And the guy at, uh, Robert at Gueras plumbing says, can you soak my dick? And then Mew says, I think it's probably suck and they don't, they try not to. Oh, yeah, sure. Uh, that's very funny. I'm just calling about the installation quote. Is there someone there who can help with plumbing pricing?

37:50And then it just doesn't continue. Uh, yeah, I imagine he hung up another guy found, um, uh, but they said it's really cool when it works. Half the company's hanging up on my agent. Yeah. So that, that presents an interesting thought here. Like if you're a customer service person or anybody dealing with the, uh, your, your customers in any meaningful way, I can't imagine how, I don't know, it would just be upsetting to me to be like, you know what they would say? Like the AI ultras, they would say, well, the customer service people should just be deploying, deploying their agents. Right. Why are we even having them? Uh, oh, you're pissed that I deployed a bunch of agents and it ruined your system. Why weren't you deploying agents? Yeah. Yeah. It's just agents all the way down. Um, another instance, a guy said that muse found some old subscriptions and canceled them when guy had his internet bill lowered. Uh, but yeah, it begs the question, what happens when everybody's got a little guy running around getting re for, refunds for them on shit?

38:50Um, I imagine the system would just get clogged like him, like Alexander Wings had a billion people all simultaneously deploying their agents to ruthlessly work around the clock to get your, your shit, uh, renewed or canceled or lowered prices, Lord, that could have massive reverberating effects on, on, if I was, if I was the most petty software engineer I am for, I'm petty enough. I just don't have the skills. I would be creating some kind of capcha for agents that is if you call my business and you can't prove that you're a human calling me, just disconnects. Ooh, please build that. So then you're losing out on a potential sale. What if that, what if the cake person hung up and then, okay, I'll just go to another cake. Everyone needs to do. Oh, oh, oh, I'm putting it everywhere. I've released it into the water supply. Yeah. Uh, the theoretical, the metaphorical water supply.

39:53I mean, that gets us into the, so we've, that's the potential good that, that we can all kind of grasp and see. But with that comes these potential issues, all these, if, yeah, if they got agents being deployed on the other side, then you just got agents, you know, uh, uh, scissoring each other, finger blasting each other. Oh, yeah. You deploy an agent that's really good at, at selling your agent on, you know, how when you go to cancel, uh, Disney plus or whatever, or whichever one, they're like, are you sure we're willing to throw in Hulu Hulu for the next two months. Yeah. And we're dropping your price down to 2199. And you're like, uh, maybe, but then I'm like, no, I don't watch anything on this. Plus you can get tickets to the new Avengers butt blasters ride. It did. New world this summer. But now your agent is like shit. That's kind of a good deal. What do I do? He loves butt blasters. He loves butt blasters. And he does it. And now for the next two months, you've got a lower rate. And then it just goes back up after three months.

40:53That's what I would be doing. All right. I mean, yeah, they're going to figure out how to game the agents, but then it does seem like he's happening a little bit. There's this story that came out from Blue Cross Blue Shield where they're basically talking about how it's not saving anybody any money. It's costing them money because AIs deployed in hospitals are basically spiking people's costs because they're flagging things that they normally wouldn't even hospitalized people for. And then the insurance providers are like deploying their AIs, which costs money. It's a night care. Yeah. And it's just driving up costs for everybody. It's just creating more friction, which costs more money, which in turn will make premiums right. Unbelievable. So they're saying a sharp increase in patients being documented as having complex conditions, appear to have added an estimated $942 million in health care spending for Blue Cross Blue Shield companies between 23 and 23 and 20, 23 and 2025, driving higher premiums

41:53and out of pocket costs for families, employers and taxpayers. Jesus Christ. There's a clear disconnect between coding and treatment. Our research shows that coding care has changed, but there is no evidence for corresponding change in care delivered. Patients often fell into higher cost billing category after a secondary diagnosis, a condition identified in addition to the patient's primary reason for receiving care. This secondary diagnosis may be derived from single laboratory values, making it particularly well suited for detection by AI tools, approximately 70% of the additional costs, more than $650 million were tied to secondary diagnoses. So it's kind of like one big Web MD where when you Google your things, like, well, this could be cancer. So all these AIs are going, well, this could be cancer. And then the health care companies got to check it out and spend a ton of money on better hospitalize them. Yeah. Yeah. His butthurt from playing butt blasters at the new Disney Avengers butt blaster game, better put them in the hospital. And then the insurance company's like, deny it.

42:56Yeah, deny it. We actually don't cover, we don't cover that kind of secondary shit. We don't cover butt blaster injuries. Yeah. One guy, this is an interesting one. I mean, there are, there are so many second and third order effects that you just can't even think of because you can't make this stuff up. There was a guy who was saying that muse was accepting low ball prices on Facebook marketplace. Like people would offer, because you know, you give it, you give it the, the, the directive of sell my shit on Facebook marketplace. And then one guy's like, oh, take it for a dollar. And then muse is like, okay, here's the address. So he's got strangers showing up to his house. What if you were, what if you were, you know, a vulnerable, a vulnerable person and you had strangers showing up at your house? Oh, dude, you've, sorry, my computer sent you here. I'm so sorry. These people have given this thing way too much data about themselves. It's absolutely unbelievable. I like this one. There's an anecdote from this woman named Lauren Wilford is replying to a tweet

43:56that says a world where everyone has a perfectly rational, tireless optimizer working on their behalf is much more adversarial than people realize. A lot of our existing infrastructure will not survive this transition. I mean, that's a bit of a doomer take, but this person is correct. A tireless optimizer working on your behalf is much more adversarial than people who realize case in point this woman Lauren Wilford says, I work at a restaurant that does events. And we received some challenging last minute requests from a client. We scrambled to fill them. I realized later that these requests were likely made by an AI agent and that the human client might not have personally cared. This felt bad. She goes on to say what felt bad about it was realizing that I was throwing myself at a problem to make a human client happy, but it's possible. It wasn't even really a problem to the human. It's highly possible that the robot prompted needless work on my part in the name of optimizing. Oh my God. She needs to read Alexander Wanks post. Don't you get it? Humans don't even know what they want.

44:56That person wanted to spend more time with people they care about. That person was spending time with their family and friends. You idiot. Yeah. She says it changes the calculus entirely. If I realize that any given ask might be invented to make the agent looking like they are a tireless advocate and optimizer for their user. If a human client asks if we can do something unusual or off many for them, I'm going to assume they have a good reason and they know it's asking us to go above and beyond. This is different from an agent blue skying about what would be best for their user in some ideal world. And she finally says now knowing that this is a possibility. It inherently makes me more on guard against special requests from clients, especially ones delivered over email. I feel like I now have to vet how serious they are and whether they really came from a person and whether it's a need or a nice to have. This is just one example, but I think this will happen all over in every sector. People will be flooded with agents advocating for or negotiating for their users and social trust will degrade proportionately. People will play a harder ball if everyone learns the trick.

45:59You know what Lauren's problem is. She didn't deploy her own agent to argue on her behalf. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Lauren, maybe you need to get a little thickens looking muse. Freaking out of the car. I mean, I think that's 100% going to happen. We talked about it a little bit with the instinct stuff where it's like, you know, people just clogging up, Rezzy and trying to get hard, hard to get reservations. There was the story about the guy who was bumping. He built his own agent. This was, I think, on the open claw platform. Remember that. And he was, he was bumping people from exercise classes he wanted to go to because his agent found out that there was the program wasn't super secure. So it could easily just access the back end and be like, oh, we'll just kick a person off and get my, get my guy in here. And because my guy's most important. I mean, I've dealt with it on, on just stupid little citywide reservation sites

46:59that are for booking tennis courts. They've now built. They've now built little platforms that you have to go through if you want. Here's it's so stupid. You're just creating problems like problems that were solved, right? We already had platforms. If you wanted to book a exercise class, you no longer had to be there in person. You no longer had to call the place. You could just go on their website and book it. But now they're like, actually, it's this new thing that we invented. Where you can just kick people off. It's, it's, you're still doing the same thing. You're going to your agent be like, book me my exercise class. Instead of using the system you're supposed to use, you're just throwing K.O.S. into the system. Yeah. I love that the, for these tech overlords, their lives are so charmed that their biggest issue is just like, isn't booking a restaurant reservation such a bitch? Isn't booking like a massage or a facial or just it's all booking stuff.

48:00It's all fucking appointments. Get your friggin' act together. High, just fucking, I don't know, hire a 20 year old Jesus. God. This clip has been going around everywhere. And people are talking about what people are focused on. And even in the, in the tweet, he says that Jensen Wong says basic math is being forgotten. Does it matter? This is an, uh, I don't think it's an interview with that. What does or can't. I found it so much more fascinating at the, at the back half. So just play it. I mean, it's obviously annoying watching him talk about how these skills aren't useful to people anymore. Fascinated by this is a study on AI and schooling out of China. It looked at 26,000 students grade seven to 12 and they had staggered AI adoptions. You can kind of see what was happening. And what I found was quote, AI adoption raises homework scores by 18%. Great. Reduces completion time by 30% so they get their homework done faster. And then lowers monthly exam scores by 20% within six months. High stakes entrance exam scores fall by 18 and 24% with a full penalty

49:05emerging only after about two years. So the message of this research out of China where you were seeing a lot of kids using AI to kind of help them was it when they were using the AI, they were getting things done faster. But it turned out that the skills they were learning were not holding that they're actual personal performance at least in the way we traditionally measure it was degrading. Yeah. What do you think when you hear that? I think the last part I completely agree. I'm trying to try to get a kid to do long division right now. You know, the multiplication table is starting to be forgotten. Doing square roots. My goodness. I mean, he's just basic math is being forgotten. Doesn't matter. That's my positive for one second. So he's like, which I find this alarming, he thinks it doesn't matter. You know, people are pointing out that yeah, this kind of fucked up that this guy is like, oh, basic human skills that we have are going to be forgotten. It doesn't matter. I was talking about like the testing. Yeah, I mean, I get I kind of. No, it's not testing though.

50:06It's that they actually don't have the skill anymore. Right. And he's even and he's saying I admit it. Try to get a kid to do these things. They can't do them. Those were things I could do as a child. Yeah, those were things you could probably do as a child. Long division. I can still do long division bitch. Square roots. No. But now listen to his reasoning for why it doesn't matter. Yeah. I don't think it does. But there must be some set of skills that matter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but maybe not those. We're going to discover new ones. Just maybe not those. There are a lot of skills that don't matter. You know, people don't, I mean, my first confession. I actually don't know my address. And I and every I don't really believe that to be true. It's it's completely true. Huh? And and if you need, we'll tell you and Lori will tell you here. Yeah, the rest of the. No, keep going. Please. It was a few years ago. And they needed my zip code and I panic. I didn't know my zip code. I don't know my telephone number, but I forget these things.

51:10That's basically it's too busy thinking about. When you're bringing up these like charmed tech guys, I mean, these are the guys telling us like, we don't know the things we want. This is probably one of the most powerful men in the world right now. And he's either lying to soften the blow of this thing he's trying to sell you. Yeah. Or he doesn't know his address. He doesn't know his zip code. He doesn't know his telephone number. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. One hundred Jensen Wang. What is what is worse? If he's lying to to soften the blow of this new era, he's trying to usher in. Where you have a soft smooth brain that doesn't, that doesn't have skills that like recall that that every other human used to be able to do. Or is it worse if this guy genuinely doesn't know his telephone number. Yeah. And we're all just going like, whatever Jensen says, baby. I mean, okay. So I listened to that entire interview and a big chunk of it was, or a good chunk of it was Ezra Klein pointing out that yeah, these, these students, not just in China, but here in the

52:12United States are using AI to get through the, the, what would you call it? Not the rigors of school, but just the like to help with homework. They're like, yeah, studying and then just get it. But I wouldn't just get it done. But I wouldn't call that that's, I think calling it busy work is a, well, I'm talking about through the student size. That's how they view it. Sure. They're like, I got to get this task done so that I can get. If you've ever seen like, if you've ever seen a child's, a young child's homework, it's to get them to like, of course, do this movement and do this, uh, yeah, build this skill. But here, look at me, here I am being pro homework. To Jensen's point, I think, uh, obviously there's a lot that can be gleaned from it. But my part, partly my interpretation is, sure, there is some, because if you were to look at homework or tests from 100 years ago, so much of that skill set

53:15is no longer needed. It's way, way, way, have you ever seen any of that shit? That's from 100 years ago now. Oh, they're like impossible. They're so hard. They're, I mean, Jesus, I truly don't know what they were feeding us or feeding people back then. But it's, um, and I think some of it, you know, you can look at like, uh, I just in the argument of like, oh, oh, wow, they're using a calculator. That stuff that we used to be able to do easily with whatever, sure. I always just, and I remember the same thing. It's one day you're not going to have a calculator. What if you're at work where, you know, you're going to need this and it's like, hey, baby, I, no matter where you work, you're going to have access to a calculator. But at the same time, I do think there's a, I would always think about a saw type situation where it's like, you've got to do long division. I'm going to fuck it kill you. That's what you know, calculator is allowed. You better be happy. I mean, cut off your butt. Do you know the square root of 64? You want to play, you want to do math homework?

54:16That's what I'm going to say. I'm like, I feel like you're doing like, uh, sling blade. You don't know how to do fucking math for shit. You can't even decide what biscuits to order. What were you going to say? I'm sorry. Jensen Wong and then test stuff. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just, I mean, we've, we said it all, but yeah, I find it a little alarming. I, it's hard to not take it all into totality too of just, it feels like they do want a dumber populace and, and to hand off more and more of your agency to, uh, to these people. I don't know about, I'm sure things have changed. Obviously in the past, I don't know about these tests from 100 years ago or whatever, but, um, it feels deeper than that, right? Like, kids can't, they're, you know, and this is not, this is not, yeah, this is, this has been happening forever. It just feels like this is a, uh, outgrowth from all of this where attention spans are shot.

55:18Kids can't read, teachers are talking about how they have to, um, um, they have to assign smaller, easier to read passages. Uh, they talk about just the complete inability, which this is, okay, fine. You know, I think the math thing is, is a bit easier for people to get on board with because they're like, yeah, well, you know, I could have a job that doesn't require long division. What do I care? But just what life is going to require you to not be able to, to deal with a passage of words and not pull out comprehension. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that is a big worry of like turning people into beings that don't know how to comprehend things that, that, that, it's foundational. I think is, is ultimately, I mean, not, not like math necessarily relates to reading comprehension, but it does serve a foundational understanding of just how, how the world works and how,

56:18yes, simple math in Jesus. I mean, people's lack of understanding about statistics is, uh, has proven to be detrimental because a populist that doesn't understand these simple concepts can be very easy to manipulate. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, um, anyway, well, uh, that's not all folks because, uh, Mark Zuckerberg also released a very, very, very smart move. Um, they released a device for the muse. Also, they call it the muse charm. If you click that link, you can see it. It is a tomogachi like thing. Um, I remember my tomogachi. Oh, I can't wait for a bunch of adults with their little tomogachis, their little, uh, muse, their little, uh, their little safety tomogachi to, boy, that is a perfect hand. Whoever that hand model is, if that is in fact a real human hand, gorgeous. Um, Hey, I can create hands now. You don't even need to, you don't even need to hand bottles.

57:19Yeah. Wow. They, I mean, so their whole thing, their whole push with this is that you're not going to need, you're not going to need to visually interact with this. You're going to be able to do it with, with just voice. It's going to be voice activated. They've even got these new Rayban sunglasses that are only, or glasses that are audio only. See the meta, meta band, they have no cameras. Rayban met an audio, just audio so you can talk to it. So you guys can't call them creeper glasses anymore. Yeah. They've got, uh, just listening to you at all times. They've got hearing assistance, which is good for, for like my deaf uncle Jeff, who probably wouldn't be able to figure out these things. I would say that this is, the one bummer to me is with the like creeper glasses thing, is that these, I know people who have disabilities, whether it's vision impairment, whatever, who have found a great deal of value from tools like this. And it does suck that it's, there's a lot of moron content creation people just,

58:21yeah, people doing creepy and stupid things, when these things can genuinely change people's lives. It is very unfortunate. Yeah. The, the charm thing is voice activated, palm size. You're meant to talk to it without your phone. It's the size of an air pod case. It's got a two inch touchscreen and 5G connectivity. And then the biggest thing arguably is they came out with um, new VR glasses. So I'm probably going to buy one of these. You're going to buy it. I had the Metacrest. Yeah. I was really impressed by it, but it was also back when I wore glasses. So it kind of made me feel a little ill. It was like so immersive that you couldn't fucking, you just couldn't, you know, just search for, is it metaglasses? No, I would search for the new Meta VR glasses, just Google. They're 1299. They weigh 100 grams, which is five times lighter than the quest. This is the five times lighter than the quest.

59:22Well, that's a big deal because you probably never tried it. You did you try it? You try, okay, so this thing, this thing's big that much lighter is really impressive. In the way they do that, they move. Just from this picture, it looks way more comfortable than wearing the quest. Oh, yeah. Because it doesn't fucking, part of it is that there's leaks. There's light leaks, which is meant to actually make it better. It's sort of like a combo AR VR type situation. It's available in spring. It's got a 5K display. The batteries move to a puck that you clip to yourself or put in your pocket instead of putting it on your face. From their promotional materials, it looks like they figured out a way better but what is the Apple vision? Yeah, the vision quest or whatever quest. Yeah. Because again, that thing is fully just gaudy. Not even gaudy. They're just like, hey, have you ever been skiing and thought ski goggles aren't heavy enough? Yeah. Well, we've got something for you. And I wish I could wear these at home. Yeah, it can turn any flat surface into a keyboard or a display.

1:00:25It connects with video apps like YouTube, HBO, and stuff. So you can, yeah, like be at the airport or wherever you can just have screens up. It uses hands and eyes as controllers. So there are no controllers. Your hands and your eyes are the controllers. Oh, and check this out. Oh my god, you guys. The games that they've got on these things. Of course, they've got Beat Saber. Everybody's favorite game that everybody is still playing all the fucking time. Well, no, I don't even play anymore. I just have my muse that I've connected to one of those flies that can play Beat Saber. Do it for me. And it's just a satisfying. Yeah, they've got new titles, including Card Moda, Dice Throne Digital, Dragon Grove. They've got Dragon Grove. They've got Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney, Dual Destinies. Did you say Phoenix Wright? Phoenix Phoenix. Supernatural, Tetris Effect, mixed realities. And everyone's favorite, two point hospital.

1:01:28What the fuck is two point hospital? Muse. It's a console game. It's my fantasy football lineup for me. It was, it was a, you get to cure peculiar illnesses and manage troublesome staff as you spread your budding health care. All games now are just like, hey, you want to work a tedious job, but in a game. Dude, truly, I was with my friend and his kid was playing a gas station VR game. You just, I'm not joking. It's just never ending. Like new car pulls up. You fill it with gas, new car. I was going, let's just get this kid a job. I mean, I love it. I, oh, I guess Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney, it looks like some kind of anime game. It's a visual novel and adventure video game developed and published by Capcom. Set during a period known as the Dark Age of the Law, Attorney Phoenix Wright returns to the courtroom after an eight-year absence following a catastrophic bombing at the courthouse. Jesus Christ, man. Jesus Christ is right.

1:02:29All right. So to round it out, yeah. Mark Zuckerberg thinks everybody's going to have an AI assistant in the next five years. In the other big news, they just launched this Muse Enterprise platform to bring all things Muse to, yeah, he just announced it. We believe superintelligence will create significant new opportunities for all people and businesses. I can't do his voice. Meta already serves billions of people at scale and helps hundreds of millions of businesses reach consumers. Today, we're starting the next major pillar of our business, Meta Enterprise platform to help businesses use AI to grow and transform in new ways as well. I mean, man, the stock seems like it's a freaking bargain if all, if any of this stuff comes to fruition because they're truly taking on so much. Yeah. Yeah. God bless him. Yeah. God bless him. Boy, howdy.

1:03:29So let us know what you're having. You're Muse do for you. Yeah. What's your Muse do for you, gang? Are you going to use one of these? My fantasy football lineup so I can play hospital 2.0. By my way, flowers so I can play card moda. Yeah. Ignore my son for me. Ignore respond to my stupid son's text so I can plan on my upcoming travels so I can play Phoenix right? Yeah. I used to journey dual destinies. You show up to for your trip to Spain and you're just like in the worst accommodations. Why did I play a spin so much time playing 2.0 hospital? Playing 2.0 hospital. Oh. Uh, anyway, gang, um, we're done folks. We'll see you in the bonus. Uh, Ben and Mealshow.com. Thanks so much for tuning in and we love you. See you next week. Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and a Mealshow.com. Well, it was funny. We were going to, we weren't even going to see that movie at prime time. We were at minikabab.

1:04:30I didn't have my phone and I was like, we should go see a movie and Sarah was reading out the movies. And it was like, all shit I didn't know. And I was like, I don't know. Just pick one and there was some movie called like Hot Chon Shaker Booty or whatever. Yeah. And I was like, let's go see that. That sounds fun. And then when we got to the movie theater, I was like, wait, we got to seem prime time. And Sarah was like, oh yeah, I didn't read it out to you because I didn't know what it was. Oh my god. And so we went up and I was like, can we change our tickets to this? We literally got out of the movie. I was like, I wish we saw Hot Chon Shaker Booty. This movie fucking bites. This is really beautiful. People wanted us to chime in on this because it's, yeah, there were a few comments and I got some DMs. Oh, funny. Saying like, hey, I would love to hear you talk about some like, scroll up to, oh, can you not scroll up? I don't know. Maybe maybe certain things went too far with, people just get wrapped up in this. Some good intentions around stuff and it became a hyper. I don't know. I really don't know.

1:05:30It's hard for me to imagine people like this. To put so much, to write some of these comments. Is there hateful people? They're hateful. Well, right. And to be so, to hold yourself out as so like, well, I'm. I'm good and virtuous. Yes. And then be like, I hope your business gets firebombed. You're like, what is your fucking, where is your moral compass? I don't understand. It's like, but I would also feel like, I don't think I'd ever. I wish the guy didn't come at me and I had to defend myself. It's manslaughter versus homicide. And then he's got his wife and kids. Oh, yeah. Well, but then you discover that his wife was actually relieved. And maybe she thinks he used to be his wife and kids. Yeah. Oh, I saved the wife and kids. Yeah. I'm a hero. What about his second family that he was actually very good to? Oh, he was good to this engineer. But he's a cheater. He cheated on the first one. Oh, I see. And he's technically actually cheating on both. They're both cheating. They've been cheated on both.

1:06:31I'm a hero again. He also was a tax. He was behind on his taxes. He's not. I'm a hero. He was a pedophile. I'm a hero. Oh, how many pedophiles are there? How many pedophiles are there? Welcome back, frickin' Frack. Welcome to the jungle. ABC Wednesday. Abbott is back. It's going to be the best year yet. Thank you. Now we can finally turn this up. And everyone's going wild. You don't think you run this school. But you don't. It's going great. Abbott Elementary. Anything can happen in the jungle. Frack, guys. Season premiere wins day on ABC and stream next day on Hulu.