Ask Jason: AI Extinction, Grok's Rogue Meme Coin & Weed Farms as Data Centers | E2337

0:00All right, everybody, welcome back. It's an all-ass Jason question. We try to do these every month or so. And, uh, man, we got a lot of questions, how long? We got a ton of questions, and we're taking people's live questions as well. Maybe we more me up with like the best of the pre-submissions. Okay. Which you have to do when we're doing live. If somebody needs to be right over that drop button, ready to drop the person off the call. In case somebody does something like, uh, well, I don't know who that guy Tuben was. I don't want to have a Tuben situation. Yeah. That was his own fault, Jeffrey Tuben. Jeffrey Tuben. CLA, Innovation Takes Balance. CLA's CPAs, consultants, and wealth advisors can help you get from startup to where you want to end up. Get started now at CLA Connect.com slash with you, the Conservation Fund. For 40 years, the Conservation Fund has protected at-risk land and important wildlife habitats, while actively supporting local communities. Learn more at conservationfund.org. Formerly open phone gives you a clean modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place.

1:01Try it free and get 20% off your first six months at quote.com slash TW IST. First, we'll go to a pre-recorded guaranteed not-too-spicy question. This comes from a conservative activist, Jim Faff. I believe Jason, he is at the American Airlines Center at attending the midterm Republican convention while he's asking his question. Let's go to Jim. Oh, here we go. He's at the convention. You can see I'm taking a quick break from your friend, Donald Trump here. I've been doing interviews all day and I've been trying to get this out to you because I want to know what you think. Listen, this guy left Ann Thropic and he says that the safeguards are nowhere to be found and AI is going to take over the world. I'm not even sure if I believe that I'm using what every day. What I want to find out from you is with Apple and Nvidia. Really bringing out the hardware that's going to bring local AI. By the way, we're about to implement it in my organization because we've got a lot of data work we've been. Do you think that that's maybe the mitigation from whatever actual risk might be there?

2:04Do you think, do you agree that there's this kind of risk? I just don't see it because, frankly, I'm using AI all the time in building things that we're doing. It could be kind of stupid even though it can really do a whole lot of things. So, what's your thoughts on that? It's a great question. It's the question of the moment. In fact, you have to ask yourself from first principles, what is the attack vector that would kill these people are saying kill all of humanity? So, that's a pretty big bogie, 7 billion people, 8 billion people. I can tell you right now, even if you intentionally wanted to kill all 7 billion people on the planet and you had the largest nuclear arsenal, Russia, United States, etc., China, and you decided to watch every nuclear bomb you had, you probably wouldn't kill everybody in the world. You still have a couple of hundred million left. You'd have the bad backstacklers in the outback, sure. Yeah, it's a pretty hard task, right? We're pretty redundant here. But let's put that aside.

3:04The reason why people are being hyperabolic is because they want attention. And they want attention because either this is my very, this individual who is the latest one to spout off. Either they have valid concerns about, say, job loss like Bill Gates does or civil unrest or polarization of wealth. Those kind of things are not cataclysmic. Everybody's going to die. Those are under the category of like the social fabric is destroyed in our country, in our, in our world, societal problems. There could be societal problems like I mean, we could see millions of drivers lose their jobs in under 10 years. Those people could be protesting the Chinese government has already had to deal with this in Wuhan, where they started limiting self-driving cars. So those are the social problems. Those are real worth discussing planning for, etc. Let's put those on the side because this is not what those people are talking about.

4:04Right. These people have hit a level of psychosis. A level of psychosis where they believe in their heart of hearts that when this recursive self improvement, in other words, the AI agents that they deploy, 10,000 of them, will then get better and better at their job without a human in the loop. This requires them to take the human out of the loop, just like maybe Waymo or Tesla deciding to take the driver out of the car. So we take those two metaphors. One is with software, let's say building cyber attacks, you know hacking. And then on the other side, we have self-driving cars. When did Waymo take the safety driver out? When did Tesla start taking the safety driver? When they perfected and they got to 999999999. 99.129s of safety. Waymo said, okay, we can take a driver out here. We feel in this constrained area, we're not going to kill somebody. That took about 15 years, 15 years of Waymo trying. They won the DARPA, the DARPA challenge chart, I think 2006.

5:12So here we are 20 years later, they take the human out of the loop. What these individuals believe is unlike the self-driving, which is an AI application, that they're going to be forced to take the human out of the loop. They're not forced to do that. So what are the scenarios where somebody could possibly take the human out of the loop and then it would go wild. Well, you'd have to have a human decide, I'm going to set this AI in recursive mode. In other words, just pilot itself. I'm going to set it to do biological weapons. And then I'm going to set it to deploy biological weapons somehow. Or it's going to decide on its own. It wants to deploy weapons itself. This is a jump that in science fiction happened during Terminator 2. And that's where the logic broke down in that movie. And they never were able to explain what was SkyNet's beef. It got threatened and it felt threatened. It has a logic to it. The argument is always that we're telling the AI stop war or like we want you to figure out world peace or an end of this conflict.

6:20And then AI is like, oh, the best way to end this conflict would be no more humans. It's like, it always like that's Ultron from this interpretation of a human instruction. Yes. Here's a great idea, folks. If you're using AI right now, and this is why the public is not falling for this anymore. I think the public is literally about six weeks behind the rest of us in the industry who are saying these people are drama queens or they're suffering from psychosis or maybe a little bit of both. Maybe they want to be important and they have a little bit of psychosis. These individuals working in the labs have in some ways gotten very wealthy. Their brains have been scrambled. They could be on drugs, who fuck knows. And you know, some number of people are they could be suffering for mental illness. Anything's possible here. And then they decide, oh, this jump is going to happen without ever realizing as they launch products as the creators of those products, they can put the safeguards in and they have. So this flies in the face of what clause actually doing, have you ever tried to get caught to download a YouTube video? It's like, I can't do that for you, sir. Okay, I'd like you to order me this ticket on United. I can put it into I can find you the flight.

7:32Get your permission. You have to give me browser permission. Then you have to log in. Give me permission to use your password. And then you have I'll put into your cart, but I won't check out for you. And I'll put the books in the Amazon, but I refuse to check out for you. Literally, they're building products that have multiple safeguards in it, so they don't get blamed for booking your ticket for you inadvertently. Okay, how about when it does biological weapons, you say, we're causing your account because we think you just instructed this thing to do biological weapons. Please call your clawed representative Susan to unlock your account. And by the way, here's what we're, if you do this repeatedly, we're going to report you to law enforcement, right? Which is, by the way, what they're doing already, we'll talk later about the anthropic threat report that that's what they're doing. They're detecting, oh, this person is trying to do something to Ferris. They're trying to send a missile with clawed. We're going to shut them down and then write a report about what they tried to do. So yeah, for right now, it does feel like the AI is not capable of even doing everything you ask it to let alone world domination.

8:37And we are capable of putting safeguards into it. You know, like, you could take a car and you can drive it into, you know, the front of a building or God forbid into a farmer's market. We've seen this kind of thing happen with a self driving car. With AI in it, yeah, properly tuned. You can't take a self driving car and ram it into a farmer's market. The car will stop you. The self driving car. If you try to force it to do some horrific terrorist act will stop you. So literally not only should AI not allow you to do these things. It should, in fact, be safer than non AI products. AI products, if designed correctly, should be safer than non AI products and can be. I think it also just ignores the way people interact like they're imagining Tony Stark is going to set up an AI and say, you're a superhero. Protect the world from all violence. That's not how you use these tools. It's much more specific and directed. You have the entire big plan in mind. And then you're telling your agent. Go do this thing for me. Go finish this step. Go do this and connect this to that. So there's always still a human in charge of the big picture. And I think that's where that human is the one who's saying, okay, we're not going to actually create a biological weapon.

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11:04A.k.a terrorist school shooters mentally ill people people in society with screws loose or you know who are religious zealots or they're hearing voices. Those are the people actually that we can start to find. Get help for and or neutralized there was that that post Soviet moment where all of a sudden there are all these nuclear weapons and all these like rogue states and like once the US is our collapse. Like yeah, I feel like that maybe like. If you know China loses track of five million of these things and they're just kind of out there like that could be a real problem. Michael Lee is joining us now live Michael. Thank you for joining us. What's your question for Jason. Oh, hey, Michael. What's your question? Jason. Hey, well, thanks for having me on. What pleasure. I submitted the question actually through video while test driving was driving me around. I'm not being invited to be here live that this is this is great. I want to get your again, my name is Michael Lee, a founder of God of the partners. I want to get your thoughts on one of the crazier more wild occurrences of that took place between on social media between two a.m.a. is back in March 2025. So a human user asked rock on on social media to prompt asked rock to prompt and not.

12:21Another AI user on X to create a meme coin and rock took the instructions and made the prompt to this AI that is designed to launch coins. So this other AI did exactly what it was supposed to do and it took rock suggestion and deployed this since then over the past 18 months. This market has done over 300 million in marketplace activity and a wallet associated with the Grock X logging credentials has earned over a million dollars. The question is when something like this unintended happens among two a.m.s. It's space.x. AI did not say, hey, this is something we want to happen. Grock didn't wake up that morning, say, I'm going on social media. I'm going to launch a meme coin. But it did happen and there's permanent consequences that are still ongoing today. In fact, it's become so popular that two weeks ago the largest regulated exchange in the United States coinbase listed this alongside Bitcoin, Ethereum, Dogecoin, Grock's genesis creation and the meme has become Grock has money.

13:25But who really does have money is the question. This is a story that I think I saw go by my feed for people who don't know a meme coin is like a crypto coin that people trade like trading guards. You saw the Melania coin. I think Biden's got a coin. Trump's got a coin. Anybody can launch a coin. Anybody playing with coins kind of understands that this is garbage and like some sort of giant Ponzi poker game that's rigged. But what you're saying is this one bot instructed another bot to make a coin. So human in the loop can anybody just open an account and make a bot on, I guess this was made on salon if I remember correctly. On coin basis blockchain base. Yeah. So is it permissionless in that you can just send this instruction out to the blockchain to do it or do you need to have an intermediate or to do it.

14:25So that's what I'm concerned about because it seems like whoever instructed this bot, the second bot, to do it, they created a vector here for essentially coin spamming right. It would be like somebody gave it access to an mail server and said just flood everybody with email and do spam. So it does feel like that's something somebody could just tighten up right Michael. They can just put in a protection that and basically groc was not able to interact with that token launch bot anymore because of some security things. But in the early days this happened and now you've got a situation where there was no human in the middle. It was two a.m. I said interacted but a human had to initiate groc to go down that path. And now this groc wallet that's authenticated by groc's x log in forever will accrue fees on activity and the question remains when two a.m. something unintended happens like that and involve a marketing money who's responsible is the person that initiated groc and said, hey, you need to talk to this other AI is it space x AI.

15:31I'm going to put blame on the platform that doesn't have safeguards for human in the loop. This is where regulation matters. And I believe some people will disagree that if you wanted to initiate something like this like a coin or any kind of crypto project. I believe the way the regulation should work is that at least two people maybe three need to put their drivers license in. If they're going to create something that goes worth over a million dollars or tries to accept the public's money in the United States, depending on the region and those laws do exist to a certain extent. Just because you can technically do something doesn't mean a jurisdiction like the United States or Canada or England have to allow you to do it. So that's where you have to force the human in the loop. Whatever the platform is, it would be de minimis for us to say. Just like when you open a Robin Hood account or you open up a stripe account, they now ask you to take a picture of your driver's license and then your force to turn your camera on and do a special like proof of human.

16:36Like there should just be proof of human in the loop here. These meme coins, at least in the United States should be regulated in my mind. The fact that they are creating like a multi layer system where certain things require no. You know, oversight and then other things do is just making it even more convoluted. Everything that involves these crypto coins, at least in the United States, when they hit a certain size, they should have like super regulation on them because it is too dangerous to allow people to create financial products and then trick AIs to do it at scale. Well, we had the same thing happen with Mal, DDoS. These are all just different attack factors and what's unique here is the people on the other side haven't created any safeguards. They need to take put safeguards in. It's their responsibility. There is an interesting question of why coin base would want to be involved in these shenanigans. They might want to make a statement, Michael, hey, we should reward bots creating these things even if they get to scale. We only want human created coins where somebody's in charge of the coin. There's a corporation behind the coin. There's a driver's license and a social security number or tax ID associated with it.

17:46The last comment on that, I think it's interesting. You look at something like Hunter Biden and these other humans lie and human steel and humans have certain needs. A Hunter Biden definitely, like, it's ridiculous to happen there. There's almost a level of purity when there's not the human that's part of the creator that they don't have the human we need to steal from you. There's something to me that's very interesting about that. It's why I think Grocks Genesis coins done really well over the past 18 months. I mean, listen, anybody who's thinking of buying Genesis coin or any of these coins, if you should certainly participate in that if you don't like money, that would be the perfect thing for you to get involved. If you do like money and you like to protect the money you have and or increase it, my nice suggest a dividend paying ETF or QQQ or a Vanguard fund that is low fee. Just put your money in that. And if you want to buy a couple of tokens here on the side, fine, but your expectation should be it goes to zero. Michael, great question.

18:46Thank you. Thank you. Michael, yeah. All right. Here we go. Our first live question is well done. Well done. That was a good question. You want to do another live? I think we've got another live. Yeah. As many lives as we can. This is an experiment. All right. We are hoping that it goes well so far so good. A lot of people think there's a binary choice. Be a capitalist who supports growth or care about the environment and the natural world. But these two ideas don't have to be in opposition. Our friends at the conservation fund believe that you can protect land, wildlife and our shared access to the great outdoors while also providing important economic opportunities for 40 years. The conservation fund has been acting quickly to protect at risk land and important wildlife habitats while also actively supporting local communities. And this is key creating new jobs. The conservation fund already protects over 9 million acres across all 50 states proving that we can watch out for the environment and keep our natural surroundings in balance without endless gridlocked debate and politics.

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20:53You do well. You're a good person. You're a good person. You do well given to my family. Just steps from Mount Olympia because of our great heritage of being generals. That's what my parents tell me. Or it could be that we make great burgers at our diners. It could be either. It's one of those two. One of them. So it is happening in the open source community. So open claw is a vote on making agents that are independent. Then you have the open hardware movement where people are going to move open source models onto their local compute and do the compute there. So it is happening through those groups of individuals. If you want AI sovereignty, if you use open claw with Nemotron or Gemma, which is Google's open source product or countless other open source products, you will be sovereign AI. In other words, the AI running on your Mac studio with 256 gigs of RAM, which cost $12,000, which I just bought. It's a little too expensive right now.

21:59And the open source products are six months behind maybe the frontier models. But that same thing happened. That same thing was truly the of the internet itself in the early days of the internet when I was coming up. And people laughed at it because it was so clueless and didn't work very well mosaic and support images. And it was slow and people said, why don't you just use a l l or Delphi or comp usurve those are incredibly refined products. But open free nobody to pay. I mean, you still need to have your computer. You still needed to get a phone line or an ISD online eventually and then a T1 or a far more line. So it is happening. And then there's Tau bitsensor network, right, which is providing permissionless ability to do this. It's all a little bit too technical, which is exactly what happened with the internet. That's how you know it's going to work, Rita. The reason I knew the internet would work was because it was hard to get on like you'd have to have somebody come and install ppp and whatever these like drivers onto your Mac and it was hard. It took like somebody with some specific skill.

23:05But over time, it got easier, easier and easier. And then it was just abstracted into one click. We're at the one click moment. You're going to be able to use perplexity computer and open claw one click. Have it on your Mac studio. Yes, it's too expensive now, but it'll go down 50% every two years in terms of cost and the power will go up double every two years. So you can have a nice swing there. And it is happening. And it's happy. And we've been through this movie before open source is just such a perfect modality and very strange individuals unique personalities are so drawn to this space that it will happen. And they are doing it to make a point great question. You know, here is a super fan, a twist super fan joining us via video. John Wright. Let's see John's question right now. My name is John Wright. I'm the CEO and co founder of new viz. And I got a question for Jason, which is do you expect the founders and people that you advise or invest in to do more than what they've done in the past where now they can build their own products and not have to rely on the team.

24:10Do you expect them to do more than outside the box? And a second question for you is for yourself as an advisor and investor. Do you find that you have to carve out more time for yourself to stay on top of these new technology and tools. All right. I am right now in a very difficult position of the zone getting flooded. People want me to go places and speak about the technology. I want to stay home and use the technology and learn how it works. And the industry is moving faster than anyone human can process what's going on. In other words, Gropbot comes out. I stopped using perplexity computer. I started using rock bot. Then I went back to perplexity computer and I've been using cloud and I stopped using Hermes agent and I stopped using open club. But now open club to exactly right. It is impossible to keep up with all of this. Same thing happened during the Internet era. Same thing happened during the mobile era. That's when you know there's an opportunity.

25:13So what do you do in an industry like this? Well, my day job as an investor. I need to use a team of people to vet and my network to tell me what to pay attention to. And then I have to go with my gut and just play with stuff and hope that while I'm fishing this incredible ocean and I'm using that net lawn. Maybe I pick up a couple of lobsters or something just amazing. But it's just it's incredibly hard. It's an incredibly hard situation. And I think that's why some people aren't their sleep scores or. Oh, yeah. But I'd rather have it like this than have what we had during say the the SaaS Zer period. It was getting really boring for me. And I was like, okay, you just made the 17th CRM 1700 CRM 17,000 CRM. You know, people were not thinking of like really groundbreaking products. But whenever a technology comes in a platform shift in the platform shift here is AI agents. You know, intelligence on demand previously it was cloud computing before that it was mobile before that it was broadband before that it was non broadband Internet access before that it was client server.

26:22And before that it was the PC revolution and maybe even the graphical user interface kind of snuck in there as a platform moment. Those are like seven or eight unique platform moments where you could come in as an entrepreneur or as an investor and just really use that platform moment to leapfrog and get ahead of other people in the space. Yeah, so that would be my answer. Let me ask you when you are evaluating these AI agentec tools like what are you what are you looking for like what's making the decision between I'm going to use perplexity computer for this as opposed to rock bottom cloud because my perspective is a lot of them can do kind of similar things that it's really just about what you want to use and what what your prioritizing. I have the same set of requirements and the question is do the bots do it better quicker faster cheaper essentially. So one of the tasks I have is I have to stay on top of news as a podcast host which one of these can keep me informed of that which one can help me get clips, you know, to do is on the show and download them which one of these can help me process unique situations and investing.

27:34So what I found is now whatever the newest one is seems to leapfrog the last one and as one example, I'm just sitting here waiting for multiplayer mode in one of these agentex offers. So now I'm actually anticipating I'm so deep into this lawn. I kind of know what the next feature is and I told the team at rock because I know a bunch of them and friends with Elon. I said really multiplayer mode changes this forever. Please get us multiplayer mode. And then the feature that they really cursor plus rock bot really figured out was having a computer a persistent computer inside of bot. So it could go do things fire up its computer in the in the cloud and be logged in. I just noticed yesterday. I was like, Hey, by the way, can I import all of your for co work and I import all of your cookies from your browser and then have instant access to all your stuff but quad seems very conservative. Yes, in terms of its like what it was willing to do for me.

28:37Whereas Grock just goes and does it and figures it out. So there's. Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm talking about. I want to download this. Sometimes I want to share something with lawn and I'm like download this video and send it to lawn. And it's like, Claude's like, I can't download that video. It's not my video and Grock's like, Yo, lo, home my beer. That I'll get the video for you. That's what I was going to say. I mean, that's why I love Grock bot is that it doesn't give you that 800 like, well, maybe a better way to do this or I'm not sure I can access the mcp. It just goes and does and it's very intuitive. The first half of that question we should we should get to it. Do you expect founders are going to get more done now as an investor when you're looking at a company has AI change the way you evaluate you evaluate how productive founders are being one of the themes we talk about over and over again on this weekend startups is making sure you do your chores. I'm no expert on these things. I have some experience. Steven Estes from CLA is an expert. Let's talk about being cash efficient. Hell is about efficiency and what you see in the in the top tier startups in your practice.

29:42We're seeing kind of an interest in trend out there where companies aren't needing to raise quite as much as they had in the past. You really have to be careful as a founder to only take on as much money as you really need. You've got to do the forecast and you've got to do the modeling and you got to dialed in and get it right otherwise you're going to end up either not raising enough capital to get to where you're going and you're going to have to go get venture debt or go back having extended to the round or you're going to give up too much of the company because he just didn't recognize how much money actually needed. Yeah, very important to get the stuff right folks and that's really a bummer when startups don't do things in a button up. I always have a great partner. Good partner to have on this adventure. Well, things change. Friends, Steven over at CLA. So if you want a trusted advisor by your side who will navigate you through taxes, accounting and everything in between, it's time to take action. Visit CLA connect dot com slash with you and don't forget to drop a mention that your boy Jake, I'll send you that's CLA connect dot com slash with you start today. Yes, because inside my company, the people who have adopted AI at the top of the stack, you know, some of these people in the company lawn.

30:52They are. Yeah, so like we have people who are, I would say five times more effective, 10 times more effective than the non AI users. And I don't know if I have any more like holdouts, not using it at all, but I would put them into three buckets. The people who are on the Vanguard who are making software every day, refining it, that group of people are 10 times more valuable than the people in the bottom bucket, which are using, you know, like, a chat GPT as a search engine that's better than Google asking a question, getting a response, asking questions, getting a response. And then like, line, you would fall right between those two groups, you're not building software yet, but you do have bots and your, I don't know, would you say your two or three times more effective than you are pre-AI engagement. engagement. I would think it's more than it's more than three X for sure, because let's go with five. Yeah, there was a lot of like scrubbing through videos, looking for the perfect moment before there was a lot of scanning X looking for the top trending topics and all of that stuff is now purely automated. So it is a big time.

31:56So your five X, I would say the people who just use it like a chat room or like a better version of Google or YouTube, they're probably 20% more effective, which a 20% gain last year was blowing my mind. Yeah, that's. And like two years ago, I bought open AI for everybody, a chat GPT pro accounts, then I bought a quad. I was like, hey, man, if people can become 20% more effective every year, in a 20% company, it's like getting four new employees for free every year. If you just think about it in terms of headcount, which is an easy way to do it. Now, to the question of startups, one of the great things is if you pick the right startups, they are barraisers. They will be leading you. They're the lead dog. I don't know what they call the lead dog in a, what do you call the dog sled? What would the lead dog be called? There's a name for the lead dog. I'm going to just call it the lead dog. I mean, that's what I would have called it, but I'm going to look this up for you. There's definitely a technical name for the lead dog leader of the pack dog, and Gemini is saying a lead dog, a lead dog runs the very front of the dog slate team guiding the other dogs. The mucher is lead dog. Yeah.

33:00The alpha, the alpha lead dog, you invest in the right founders. The alpha dog is going to show you now the other ones, just like I talked about the three buckets of employees and team members I have. It kind of like that. The last couple of dogs, they're not, they don't even know what direction they're going in. All they know is put your head down and run. Middle of the pack, they're kind of helping with the direction a little bit more. And then the alpha setting the direction. And you pick the right founders. They're alpha and they're telling you what they're doing. And then I'm like, whoa, I'm taking notes. So every time I meet with a founder, they think that they're coming to Obi-Wan and learning something. And I'm Obi-Wan and I'm looking at them going, wow, Anakin's got some good moves here. Anakin's like a stronger Jedi than I am. This guy. This guy's going to bring balance to the force. Yeah, I'm not sure how, but I better make sure I hang on to that high ground because this guy is dangerous. High ground is super important. Great question. Yes, we got one more live caller calling in. Let's talk to come at that. Let's talk to Ray. He's coming into the chat room now to ask us a question. I don't know what the question is. I have.

34:11Or as my friends call me Ray, Tarday. Yeah, some French sometimes. That's yeah. Ray, are you here? Hi, I see. Good. Where you calling in from Ray? Where you calling in from? I'm from Sweden. Oh, fantastic. I make quarter Swedish. If you don't, I heard. I told. I'm actually my company in Dubai, my live here in Sweden. I'm originally Egyptian. I am the founder of company called vortex, Consolium. And we are the AI authority platform. Yeah. The question I would start with is first before all of this because people talking about human in the loop a lot. People discussing a lot of human in the loop. A lot of seasons are outside, but did anybody witness what is human in the loop and enterprise. Let's say operations, they go. Did anyone try to launch it? Say 400 agents and each agent will do a let's say 50 different action.

35:14And does anybody understand the bottleneck will happen when a review where let's say you have 60 reviewers each one will need at least three minutes to review the escalation. Does anybody see in what is human in the loop is? Can anyone understand the human in the loop be operational in an enterprise? I'm going to interpret your question as, hey, these things are scaling in enterprises. Enterprises have a downside risk liability, loss of data, security, wrong answers. And what is the ratio necessary to keep a human in the loop? And this is where people will make fun of CTOs and CIOs and creating standards and organizations. The standards exist for a reason compliance exists for a reason. The more important the data you have is the more important it is to have these controls in place to have a human in the loop. If you're a customer support department and you send out a thousand answers, lawn might not matter that two of them were wrong because humans were getting 20 of them wrong.

36:21But if this is a charge back and it's ticket master and somebody sitting outside in arena because they just bought Nick's tickets customer service now is acute somebody bought a playoff ticket for $5,000. It's an hour before the game. I get into this situation all the time with ticket master Seeky can vivid seats and all this stuff. So depending on the transaction and what's at stake, that's when you need to have more humans in the loop and you need to really consider what you're asking. And so great question and we wish you great luck with your company. Yeah, thanks a lot, right? Let's go to another pre recorded question. This one comes to us from Kristen Dolls. Let's pull that up for Jason now. Jason love the podcast. My name is Kristen. I work in cyber security and I wanted to get your thoughts on having that conversation around regulated versus unregulated day. With non technical people context is my mother who's 76 years old, frantically texted me yesterday asking me if we need to live in fear of unregulated AI because she saw the Jacob Cox in interview on CNN.

37:35And was afraid that we are all going to be dead in 10 years because of AI. And so I was just wondering, what are your thoughts for navigating those conversations? Yeah, so this is what it's come to now, Lon. Yeah. The time difference or the time delay, the half life of these spectacular claims between when they go from the claim on X where everybody's kind of hanging out. The town square for nerds X to mom being panicked looks like it's about 72 hours. Yeah, why is it 72 hours there? Well, because there's two jumps in between. It goes from X. Then it jumps to like, you know, some form of trade publication, the information, you know, tech crunch. And then those places CNN and Anderson Cooper are watching tech meme.com where they aggregate stuff that look for a good story.

38:37Maybe they're on X following some, you know, aggregator accounts. Then it jumps to national press. Persons on Fox News, persons on CNN, persons on Megan Kelly, you know, an at scale podcast like Megan Kelly or Tucker or Joe Rogan and then mom hears it. This case and mom panics. This is why you need to have a communication strategy. The thing that I was struck by with all of this Michigan here coming out of these two specific companies. You don't see it happening at rock space X AI. You don't see it happening in Apple. You see it happening at Google or Microsoft. Why? At those companies, they have a communication policy and the communication policy is STF you shut the frack up. If you have something to say, by all means, we have an open mic Friday. You can ask, you know, satia, sender, feel free on a Friday beers, you know, to give Jensen a fastball. I'm sure he loves it internally.

39:46Your job working as a rank and file person and anthropic and open AI is not to cause object chaos and brand damage. What are Dario and Sam thinking they need to go to the troops and say there's a lot of stake. We speak with one voice. That one voice is me. You can come to me with all your concerns. I'm on the Slack DM me. Here's my frickin phone number. Call me if something happens. Everybody in my company calls me. Everybody in my company knows don't talk to the press. Don't tweet anything that would embarrass the company. Don't do anything in public that would embarrass the company. Like if I get a video of you like, you know, I don't know jumping on a bar and you know, I'm saying something inappropriate. You can't even think of anything good. I mean, you've stood on a chair. I'm just saying if you get to the bar and then you say something inappropriate and there's a video of it that goes viral and it says J. Kow's employee told an inappropriate joke, you know, on top of a bar at, you know, the mothership communist or I'm like, okay, you're fired. The end. I would never or you're dismissed for now.

40:48You're suspended. Why is that not occurring at open AI? Why is that not occurring at a dropping? I would be if I was the CEO of that company. And the last thing I want to do is have more than 25 employees at this point in my career. Like there's a hard cap at 25. That's a lot. That's so we're clear. That's a big. That's enough. When it's 30, then I don't know people's names. 25. I can give everybody's name, have a understand where they're from, what makes them tick. 25's the limit at this point in my career based on me wanting to enjoy my life. Man, you just got to tell everybody STF you shut the frack up. It is not your place. Steve Jobs was militant about this. If you did, you, you tipped your cards in any way. You fired. That's it. What? Who is the person? There was a person at open AI or anthropic was like, I can confirm that this person who just rage quit and did this post is correct. And I still work at the company. Yeah, it was at another anthropic researcher chimed in and said they agree with Cox and that and they were the ones who said we've maybe got a 10% chance of destroying humanity in the next year. I hope that doesn't happen.

41:53And then a safety researcher from open AI tweeted it. I was like, I also agree with what these whole minds are saying. By the way, you know what they need to do? What are you doing? Very simple. You put in the documents. If you damage the company. If you break these policies, you lose your stock options. That's what you put in the documents. That's now. For it. And where it hurts. Yeah. Like, okay, you want to sound off. It's that important to you. You leave $25 million in shares on the table. That's what I would do. I would lock this company down. I hate to veer us too deep into conspiracy corner. But let's do it. Do you feel like I don't feel like these people are going rogue. Like, oh, I hope Dario doesn't see my tweet. It feels like this is a narrative that anthropic is sort of okay with it. Like, so you and Saks are aligned when law and Saks get aligned. That's when we truly have hit a conspiracy. Yeah. I do feel this feels to me like a knob a little bit. The whole thing feels like a rollout that was very purposeful. Here's how we're going to get attention.

42:57Let me ask you a question. Now we're sitting here five years after the pandemic. Do you now look at Fauci in the pandemic as in like they were doing a cover up. Do you feel there was a cover up now? I really don't I still look back at COVID and I think they were seeing something very scary. People were were in fact dying, especially if you were old. You don't when you saw the faux a lady blocking emails being sent and when you saw them backing the let the wet market over the lably theory. And suppressing that you really aren't like going to say that they were not bad actors there. I will not say nobody in government or bureaucracy did anything bad to the COVID. That's not reasonable. People get scared big things are happening. They get caught up in it. People make bad decisions. I'm sure bad decisions were. You forgive the mistakes, but you think there were mistakes. Man, I think it would be would be in an honest. We went too far mistake. Then a conspiracy. It doesn't to me. This likes like might be a might be a nuance. As a PR savvy person. This just feels like this like nobody that nobody had ever heard of with no real following that social media. Suddenly that tweet is everywhere. Suddenly other people from Anthropic and Wall Street Journal are sharing it before it came out. They were pre vetted. There's there's a whole lot that's like and then all these people have connections to like Andrew Yang was talking about who's got all these connections to all of these like doomer groups and it feels to me like this feels like a little bit of astroturfed.

44:23I am now when I've always been skeptical, but I assumed good faith. I remain skeptical. I assume up equally to stupidity. Occam's razor like or what's the other. There's another term for like the stupidest like explanation or like never a scribe bad intent when like stupidity is the thing. Yeah. I remember the exact phrase. That's hand lends razor never attributes a malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Hand lends razor. So we talked about this when I was a journalist back in the 90s and I have my own magazine like we would say, okay, what's going on here? Occam's razor, hand lends razor conspiracy and we would just go through it and like right now I'm like. Hand lends razor H a N L a N and L O N Hanlon Hanlon Hanlon's razor stupidity.

45:28As an explanation right in competence and conspiracy siops they now are like my one and two I do not assume good faith anymore I just think it's either incompetence. Like just object incompetence when I looked at like something I don't know like the ice rays or something like that I'm just like these people are super incompetent and that I look at some situation like this and I'm like this is I'm being siop it's so obviously that I'm manipulating like and then the pile on if you're Sam all men and Sam is so savvy he's like one of the smarter people I've met and I met them all Sam is very smart like really smart like you would not want I played. poker with Sam I've gotten into some very big poker hands with Sam and like I can tell you that I still remember the poker hand where he had a set I had a flush and he went all in and I'm sitting there with like the second nut flush and I'm trying to think about it and like Tremac said some crazy stuff.

46:29And like I'm like please I'm just trying to make a decision and then I called and I want my hand but I was 80 I was 70% folding 30% maybe calling because it was such a big number and I'm trying to play it out of my head and Tremoth kind of I would hate like shouldn't have said anything but putting putting that aside like I he's a good poker player he's a great manager he should just be coming out right now and just saying hey everybody here's the new corporate policy I speak for the company anybody else wants to speak for the company absolutely a great idea send me a written proposal of why you should be speaking for the company instead of me and instead of you know Greg right where the two people are going to speak for the company and before Greg's tweets and before I tweet we just make sure we're aligned anybody else wants you up into the frame great you can like what we say but you can't reply with words right that's what I would set as the new policy ridiculous yeah let's keep it's getting out of hand all right we have another live caller on NY student David Rosenberg is calling in to see some questions about NYU I got in then why I almost I ended up at you see a

47:40like that was like the safety I mean I mean I was a little tick above but why are you standing out and when I was coming up and let's just say there were some nice young ladies who we would like to meet in these village for a cup of coffee sure come for you know nice cup of coffee some chat we would frat nice isn't how you doing are you in your dorm this is a fantasy dorm here you got your own all it's russia chanah tonight so right of course again yeah I'm excited to to be here a big fan of the all in podcast thank you tell us your question so I was curious what you guys thought about um I mean there's like a sentiment in the academic community specifically in the physics community now like I'm sure you've heard about the navier stokes equation and how sure they've solved it so I think there's like a little bit of backlash in the academic community concerning like using artificial intelligence to solve like some of these really complicated problems so I was curious

48:40about what you guys thought well uh it's a tool and you can brute force with it you can have it extend your uh scaling ability to try different novel solutions and I think at the end of the day we just want to solve these problems and what's going to happen is AGI like artificial general intelligence hey I could be a competitive lawyer I could be uh you know an accountant I could be a podcast producer that what kind of adGI I think anybody would look at any profession David and put these tools against it if properly implemented we'll do as good a job as a human almost universally if you even surgery like you could just put an AI on it if you spent enough time you know one year just making a perfect it's going to beat the average surgeon okay so if we're at AGI super intelligence is this thing can answer questions we cannot what I took away from one of these big seven questions getting solved or

49:41partially solved or sending people in the right direction is we're tipping over into super intelligence and what will really be super intelligence is when it proposes math problems to us that we didn't think of so I think it's super exciting there that we're on the cusp of or we're somewhere in the journey between AGI to super intelligence depending on how much implementations uh being done I do think anybody who's doing this kind of research should not be using the frontier models they should be forking any open source model doing it on their own servers and if it takes three times law on because you don't have the infrastructure then these universities like the one you're at should be buying more hardware and get the go.ai proprietary server that you can put into your office I think it's 40 grand 50 grand this one of our investments um you could that's where you're going to have to do this because they will have their large language model in some way maybe not reading your inputs but

50:46maybe looking at the outputs and somehow it's gonna it's gonna train it so I think the academic community is just been put on alert that every prize is going to be taken by anthropic and open AI and if they're gonna snipe everyone using the training data you gave it it's like literally the top 100 mathematicians plus the next thousand students just using these AIs for fun to try to solve these those 1100 people the top 100 who are super credible in the thousand up and commerce collectively the wisdom of that crowd of 1100 math researchers and scientists they're gonna in aggregate train open AI and anthropics models to solve these problems where you as an individual researcher wouldn't have that uh so but for humanity don't you think David it's just good to get this done David like 100 percent I'm in I'm in total agreements with you that we should utilize all of the tools that we have to but you a math major is that what's going on here physics physics okay so what what is there in equivalent in physics of the top like unsolved questions that

51:52you're using AI to try to solve on your own well me no I'm still in like the really early stages of my uh career there but um I mean yeah hopefully eventually if I go into research I'm already sure if that's what I want to I probably want to go into like tech and startups that type of thing but that's a good idea man until uh more money there because I heard um physics is like a great way to just understand logic like I went social sciences like in other words not science uh like I'm like looking back on psychology it's like is it a science like there are moments of science that occur right but it's you know philosophy and you know techniques but I don't know if I would call it exactly science it has moments of science but experimentation or leaving like the more scientific roles at the front of your labs we're now going into philosophy so yeah who knows well if you are trying to understand the right thing to do or humanity empathy like I think the reason I have such empathy is because I was a psychology major and I aspire to go into forensic psychology

52:56join the FBI I was like on that track of like how do people think what is how do emotions impact them whether situational variables that cause people to do things what's nature what's nurture all that kind of stuff but if you're dealing with the physics person they don't have that in their toolkit so they can look at humanity as like maybe um not in a holistic manner so it doesn't surprise me that people who are computer science or physics are like there's got to be some understanding here and you'll know it's real when they pick up religion because that's the thing that like if you're completely unmoored and you're eventually going to look into this doom or ism or whatever the next step is these anthropic people are going to start going to church that's when you know like we're in the end game when they start saying you know what I need to get some grounding or I'm going to go find Jesus or law on it or you know it's the Steve and like the same man and like what what sorry oh no go ahead. I was you can say there was a trend that um

54:00like the the top researchers at his frontier labs are now like looking into studying the Talmud and like hello. My friend Darren Aronofsky made a film called Pie good old and literally it made you know a it's a thriller but it kind of took uh what was happening in mathematics and looking at the Talmud and you know all that kind of stuff he made it for $60,000 like posted movie that was first. Yeah I hosted a screening for him over at the East Village cinema was at like 11th and 3rd or 2nd something right by you and I rented it and I rented the bar next door I spent like $2,500 when I was doing my magazine because Darren uh and Sean who was the star of that film they had no money they were trying to get attention for this so they did a campaign David it was super cool. They took the pie symbol they went around Manhattan with boxes with a stencil on the bottom of the box they would put the box down they'd look for

55:03cops they would take a spray can it would be in the box and they go shhh and then they would lift up their box and pretend they were delivery people then they would go to the corner again shh and they sprayed the pie symbol all over the East Village West Village everywhere in Manhattan and that became the gorilla marketing for the movie pie don't suggest you do that it's illegal unless you're using washable paints in that regard I told that it is legal you know they didn't use washable or park there's markings all over the ground of like these random you know gorilla marketing campaigns it's cool it's interesting. You were going to say something why before we dropped David oh uh I was just gonna say does it feel a little bit like uh what I was gonna say before is Steve Bannon's got that guy Joel Miller who we were talking about who he's the super religious anti-AI guy but the other thing I was gonna ask you was about open AI do you do you feel like they botched this I feel like they just this was a pure like PR mistake like if they had gone to these researchers and said we want you to publish your you know your solution

56:08will help you and back you in any way you can we would just ask that you note in the study like we used open AI's models and thanks to Astra for sure it was a PR blunder yeah like they should have if they knew this was happening they should have contacted the research team this is how I would have handled it I would have said okay there's a big prize here we know these two people are working on it we know these two people are using our software today you the correct thing to do is to contact them and say we would like to give you two forward uh deployed engineers to support your work and give you unlimited credits all we ask is you win the prize you solved it if our tools are helpful and if our support was helpful you can just give us a thank you exactly get everything but if we're not helpful do not give us a thank you if we're not helpful don't give us a thank then he would be a hero and he wouldn't have sniped it and we wouldn't be in this situation and they knew that was going on they could have done that and they could they could get every cutting edge mathematician who's

57:11working on high level stuff pouring it oh my god if you use open AI and you have success they're gonna give you free compute to help crunch all these numbers you're gonna win the next millennium prize how do what why to start up have a good feeling about some of these uh frontier models is because they get tokens and if they get free tokens david when you start your company like you'll come to me when you're at founder university or accelerators I encourage you to apply just go find two more all you have to do david find two more really smart people and start building stuff on the weekends build like three or four things whatever thing is the most fascinating and interesting and weird to then just email it to your uncle okay Jason I thought I was doing the one for her to make some side some side cash well forget about side cash just make something that you're like passionate about and that's weird and that if it did work and a million people used it they'd pay a hundred dollars a year for it like can you come up with something that a million people would pay a hundred dollars a year for or a hundred thousand people would pay a thousand dollars a year for a ten thousand people would spend ten thousand dollars a year for in other words can you imagine if you got like six steps done that a hundred million dollars in revenue

58:15come then you're in the venture game and we would love to hear and review that prototype with you david all right good luck in your stuff thank you very much I just want one last thing oh I just want to give you one piece of advice here oh yeah please my grandfather on my Irish side would give me the same advice every time I was going to school keep your mind on the books and not the babes they focused and not the babes sound sad it was sound advice from my Irish grandfather yeah I rest this all yeah one last question go ahead david party yeah I just I promised my friends if I actually made it on to the this weekend's startups that I would um I mean I'm a big fan of the all in podcast I know you guys thank you bring some scholarships for the the all in summit okay sure you got one I mean listen I'm not asking you I just wanted to like you know put the idea out there see what see what's the are you in LA can you make it to LA one is it it's next week it's our Monday Tuesday yeah it's Sunday if I get a scholarship I will be there I promise you all right email me uh they'll give you my email I'll see if I can pick it scrounge up a

59:17ticket for you I might have one left all right well I would love to be there I love to meet you and I really appreciate the time those are not my eyes and I'm nicely done nicely very much thanks if you have an extra ticket man crazy thing is on all my rich friends like uh I yeah I'm the director of blah blah blah at this giant bank can I get a free ticket I'm like you know or I'm a venture capitalist or I have a family op I'm like wait a second you're a venture capitalist you want a free ticket like the the people with the most money are completely uh un yeah ashamed of asking for free tickets I'm like the student who could never afford to go like he's like after's anyway yeah it's like the Hollywood gifting suite phenomenon it's like none of the people in the Hollywood gifting suite need the Hollywood they could they could go buy all this stuff for themselves but they they love it they won't have it all right we got one more we got one more live collar we've got a lot of life quality we've got mo in the waiting room we've got to let him in and then we've got a Friday show to get to mo you're in your car I am my car how you doing good to say mo are you

1:00:22driving right now on self-driving or you're you're parked I parked I parked okay okay you got the latest updated online what's your question hey Jason so um you know one of the things is I've been I listened to your pod every every week at all in and what I've been trying to figure out with data centers is you know I'm in the cannabis space I actually just exited um I after 13 years and there's a lot of production that's been built up in indoor capacity for energy so you have basically 1.5 to 3 megawatt indoor cultivation centers that are sitting there and I talked to my city council member about you know adaptive reuse and saying hey if this thing's already there can you convert it to a data center instead of you know doing a ground up so they're they said okay if it's not using more energy and water than before we'd be okay with it so going down this path do you see these smaller capacity data centers being a thing or do you think it's just a you know one gig a lot half gig a lot or more that we have going on right now you're going to see both uh

1:01:27Crusoe Cloud is gonna do giant you know data centers in Texas, Abelene wherever over the various natural gas fields and fantastic for them in three years Elon will start having like serious amounts of compute in space um and he'll demonstrate a probably next year as my guess I think I heard him say that probably um so then there's what's in between and I think the most exciting things for me are places where uh you have a lot of electricity or ready you have cooling already and uh you know you got space electricity and cooling so if you were to do a first principles thinking like if I asked Lawn to put that into Claude where are there where is there extra climate controlled space um that could be used for a data center just you know forget about AI just where can we put in a small 10,000 square foot data center at 5,000 square foot data center

1:02:32a 1000 square foot data center Lawn's gonna do that right now one of the things that will come up is well residential somebody's got a garage and they have a three car garage what if in your three car garage you gave up half a garage slot and had your internet fiber connection as well as your solar and batteries and your power walls powering a small roll in four racks and you got paid for that in other words you used your garage or shed like Airbnb because you had extra energy at your ranch what if you took target Walmart HEB and they have this giant superstar and you put into the superstar when you said we're gonna just take a quarter of the back of the superstar this department store that's already climate controlled that already is empty from 5 p.m. to 5 a.m whatever it is their hours and nobody would notice it but we could roll a bunch of racks in there people are gonna get creative with the stuff I saw somebody develop a building in a city and

1:03:34just say these four lower floors not the ones for retail but right above retail you know floors three through seven which have no views why don't we just close that off put in redundant power supplies for the rest of the building and just make them into data centers and have the data centers in every new building so every new building like it has a couple of floors for parking couple of floors of retail when you create that mixed use building why don't you just always put two floors in for data centers and those people will be renting it out immediately and it won't bother anybody so those creative solutions I think are what we're gonna be forced to do or there might be creative countries you might take a country like say Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico says you know what what's that a territory not not a US territory okay so you get a US territory like Puerto Rico they say you know what we got a lot of land got a lot of sun and you know it's not a perfect knowledge because it's hard to get things over there you got ships up over there but you get some region some territories some province in Canada and they say you know what we got

1:04:38nothing going on here but we got a lot of sunshine we got a lot of hydro bring us your data centers and so if the US is gonna fight these and Abbott and Shapiro are gonna fight it you know he's not gonna fight it UAE Qatar Saudi there'll give you like yeah data centers we got energy we got sunshine and we got massive amounts of space so don't be surprised if like the US winds up giving this entire data center business over to the the Gulf monarchies and the Gulf monarchies can move fast because they're monarchies they can make you know a lot of all top-down decisions it's one of the great things about a monarchy and you know what if I'm MBS if I'm MBC if I'm one of those royal families I'm gonna just say you know what we're gonna we have oil we got sunshine just start building data centers we'll find the customers later and what's the difference if the data center for open AI and x.com whatever well who cares if the data centers in UAE you got fiber optic lines you can put

1:05:40multiple industrial starlings now on the roof so compute finds a way you ever hear that line from Moe the line from Jurassic Park nature finds a way life life finds a way thank you life finds a way cute finds a way and so we got to get our asses in gear in America and get this anti-AI sentiment squashed and all the data centers already are like we're gonna make electricity go down but we're only gonna put it there it doesn't bother people close loop system for water you know it's gonna use less than you know you know almonds so I think it's a moment in time this whole thing whole dialogue is gonna change Moe after the midterms when the midterms end you're gonna be amazed at how quickly politicians were like you know what we worked it out with the data center companies they're just doing it to get votes in turnout right now do I have time for a follow-up yes you do sure all right so you know when I hear Mark Cuban saying these things are gonna be pickleball courts I I don't really believe that I don't know if you do either it's it's

1:06:44one of those things because what I'm trying to figure out is the capEx that's going into these right now like in the US let's say if there wasn't a regulatory barrier right and at the same time you see like Nvidia's got their grace black wells potentially doing tannics efficiency relative you know in some use cases relatively previous generation and thermodynamic I don't know where that's going do we think we'll hit energy efficiency where you may not need a one gigawatt data center where you're able to actually do with a fraction of that you see like if you go out you know in terms of efficiency does efficiency always find a way too I think what you what you what you what Cuban was referring to is people who were building before they had the electricity and everything permitted so they were like let's just get the foundations going we'll do this in parallel we'll get our permits while we're building yes in those cases they might lay a foundation and be stuck with a foundation because they get blocked by a state so I think he's not wrong about that they could those could wind up being apartments condos were just relics you know in the desert somewhere that

1:07:51never get used for anything and then they just sit there and decompose over the next century so it is a competition the build out is going to be fast and furious for another 24 months but at some point there's so much energy and developing put into inference chips efficiency photonics energy nuclear energy that these problems will get solved and then we'll be in the dark fiber phase where we just overbuilt I don't know when we hit overbuilt but it's inevitable that we hit over belt I believe because there's a small set of problems here energy space regulation and the interest rates interest rates to build out that's another one yes so if interest rates got too high people would be like you know what instead of investing in more of these let's make the ones we have more efficient so let's take people off of building data centers let's redeploy that capital

1:08:51will take 10 billion and put it towards making more efficient chips photonics and upgrading the harbor sack and then making the models more efficient because if you can do more with the same hardware footprint if you invest more in optimization then you need less hardware that same thing happened with Facebook and Google they look to my question yeah that's a crux of it right there I mean they they looked at something like Gmail and they were building these huge Gmail servers for the world to use and YouTube when they were deploying it and then they said okay at the same time how can we make storage work better how can we use CDNs to make it faster so when you go to another country instead of having your files in Japan on a local server the first time you log in Gmail might be a little slow because your data is in the United States but once you've logged in a second time long in Japan it knows you're in Japan and it just copies your entire Gmail file over to the local Gmail there but it doesn't keep everybody's Gmail in all places at all times right there's an equivalent there with AI

1:09:54okay great questions you guessed all the stuff of Claude suggestions by the way single story big box retail or dead malls warehouses and logistics buildings legacy warehouses by airports good well legacy industrial and manufacturing plants former power plants and office buildings those were Claude's picks I mean if you have an office building and people are renting it for $20 or square foot then you can't get rent there and you can put five million into our cultivation right just in electrical so that's where I was like hey is there value here in this far greater size one so there's a big thing out there well thank you great job thank you if you have a question for me on ask Jason very simple you're going to email ask Jason at this week in startups.com send us a video file or at least an audio file and we'll get your question on air at the end of your question you can put a little promo for your company we'll give it a shout out maybe even give you a link in the show notes next week we're going to do another ask Jason episode if you'd like to ask a question

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