Arab Pilot Tries to Crash Flight to Israel

0:00Hello and welcome to the Daily Objective. I'm Stuart Marbolis and I'm joined here today by Lee Pearson and E.R.R.F.L. We're going to discuss kind of a breaking news story. You may have heard by now there was a flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv on I think fly Dubai was the name of the airline. And it was had to do an emergency landing in Saudi Arabia. The details of what exactly happened are still kind of coming in. But it seems that a co-pilot in the Amani National attacked the pilot with I've heard both knife and axe some sort of sharp implement and the pilot was severely injured. But not killed apparently. And interestingly the plane did not crash the that's the headline really because of some Israeli passengers broke into the cabin and subdued the the assailant.

1:14But it's interesting I mean it's it's a big new story regardless, but I think it's interesting to note the way that it's being covered in various media both well we'll get we'll get into who who's saying what but initial thoughts Lee. Well apparently the pilot is quite a hero in this he was stabbed severely yet he managed to unlatch the door and that would have I'm sure the door was very hard to get through that's that you know that's important on the other hand the door being very hard to get through makes it difficult for somebody to come in and make the save but he he unlatched the door in the and then the passengers who were apparently there was some crew. But airplane crew members and the passengers and they came in reminiscent of flight 93 you know and only they didn't crash so yeah long together it came out pretty well one of the article said you shouldn't engage in premature speculation.

2:23We came up against this Stewart and I on Monday this issue I'm still maintaining that speculate it is no such thing as premature speculation it's just you have to know that there is between speculation and truth. Which today's chat bots of course don't have any clue about but that's what we that's what you need to have and but now apparently it's gone beyond speculation because the Israeli defense minister has labeled it a terrorist attack a jihadist terrorist attack and I don't know exactly what it's what what comes under the category of jihadist but let's take it from there. Yeah, what are your thoughts? I think before we start I have a request so I send Daniel an X post a video and it's one minute and 30 seconds a point of view of a passenger during the drama which is the plane suddenly speeding up and there is no like fast in your beast seatbelt sign nobody's saying anything like you know the staff.

3:29And I want you to look at this video because this video demonstrates what was on the line the lives of the people there the reaction of some passengers and just the atmosphere in the airplane and you can see passengers like in the row ahead like starting to hug each other figure now they might go into die. So I would ask Daniel if it's possible to just show them one minute and a half clip I think it's very important to start with that. I believe that in addition to the changes in speed was the dramatic loss of altitude that alerted people that something was up if you've ever been in a plane that dips you know you feel it in your stomach so just you know like the speed changes I'm sure we're also noticeable but I don't know that that would have raised flags in the absence of that feeling of you know your stomach dropping out just point of clarity on what did you make of this footage.

4:37I want to just one more thing change in what like whatever we can let's say the abrupt change in GeForce was so severe that the back wing for steering completely detached from the airplane. Oh I hadn't heard that so it's like the back flap so there's a back wing and it has a back flap completely detached you can see the images of the plane and this part is missing. So it was quite drastic now I have listened to some testimonials and evidence and and what I can tell is basically the co pilot which is an humanist citizen. It is by the way it is another weird thing because you know the Israelis are checking if he has dual citizenship because I don't even think humanico pilot can under such citizenship be a cop out in a flight to Israel but that's a different story anyway said copilot i'm not sure about the order of things but he wanted to take over the plane

5:43And he stabbed the pilot either before or during his attempt to take over the plane. And then this is where the shift in speed and altitude happened. So as we described there was some sort of a fight in there that led to the door being I locked unlocked i'm not sure what is the reason the door got unlocked it's either the pilot or the crew. Or it was just unlocked for some reason in the first place it is unclear there was a claim there was a claim that it was made by the pilot but I read that claim but who knows of course. Then there is a testimony of an Israeli passenger that he broke into the cockpit with some crew he took over the terrorist copilot. And then he reached for the joystick and pulled it to stop the aeroplane from descending and crashing now he said he he so I will repeat what he said he will like paraphrase it a little bit he was he basically told the prime minister and I've seen this talk it's on X.

7:01He says I am grateful for watching TV shows about plane crashes that what gave me the idea to pull the joystick so the plane would not crash so just think about like the the courage and the initiative people took and turns out on that flight there was a one or two Israeli pilots as passengers and at least one of them is the one who landed the plane in Saudi Arabia so we have a lot of things going on we have people taking over the situation neutralizing the terrorist preventing the plane from crash and then another Israeli passenger who happens to be a pilot landing. The plane so this is what happening in terms of defense and we can you know judge him and judge the reactions for the wrong to show.

8:02I just I what I heard is that there were a couple of pilots that were on the there wasn't just accidental coincidence that they were on the plane they were the replacement pilots that were going to bring the plane back. So it was intentional that those pilots were on board I guess that's part of how they crew these round trip flights but we are being joined now by Rossi Ginsburg Rossi what what say you on all this a store everybody yeah first of all they don't coordinate with me when they're going to do these attacks so I'm not able to join unfortunately for the whole show but I did want to jump in and wait for you to join the plane. So I'm going to jump in and weigh in and first of all say yeah as you guys have said amazing heroic effort by the passengers who really saved all of their lives you know with with this struggle with the terrorist pilot.

9:03And having said that I will say what I've been saying on shows for a long time and I know people disagree with me and turns out unfortunately that I'm wrong what is wrong with you that you fly to Dubai or from Dubai I mean what is what do you not understand about the enemy about their culture you know I this is again we talk about this all the time is real Israel in Israelis need to be loved by those who say all they want to do is kill all of them. So I really want to do is kill all Israelis so you should know better and you do know better from the facts you know I said this back when the Abraham Accords were signed I said this yesterday that was the last time I spoke about this on the show yeah the fact that the UAE is not as bad as Arab other Arab countries does not mean it is good does not mean it's a place where you should go even if they have nice skyscrapers and chopping malls that's not a plate or cheap. It's cheaper ways to get further east that doesn't make it not a part of the enemy and again you know what what has to happen for Israel and for the west to learn who the enemy is to treat it as an enemy which means fight against it and crush it now even if you do that look there will be we don't know the details last I checked of this pilot you know was the acting alone was a part of her organization if he's acting a lot of things.

10:32So we can crush all the organizations and there can still be somebody like this but yeah if you look further into you know who and what you are allowing yourself with then the danger of this happening is reduced dramatically so people let's take this as a lesson and I'm sure it will be taken as a lesson but it'll be taken as a lesson in the way that the shoe bomber was taken as a lesson and for 20 years you have to take off your shoes ever. It's not a time to do it anywhere and the person with the liquid bomb you know was taken as a lesson and we couldn't get water on a plane for maybe still in some places. That's yeah that's not the lesson okay the lesson here is unfortunately you know Americans really don't like this word but in part it the lesson is profiling and profiling not just of passengers in security at the airport but profiling of people who pilot the planes you know the reason it's. This is an amazing story is because in part the passengers managed to get into the cockpit because that was made much more difficult after 9 11 and but if you have a pilot who decides to crash the plane that's where it becomes a problem so.

11:48Yeah yeah yeah are you suggesting that the UAE government is behind us by you know just referring to them as the enemy that needs to be crushed. Absolutely not but I'm suggesting that this idea that the UAE is you know now just another friendly country that we can go to as as Israelis and again as westerners I have this criticism of people including friends of mine who moved to Dubai and you know are paid better than they would be elsewhere and don't pay taxes and have nice shopping centers and I understand all of that but put it in the context of what it is and where that money is going to be. Where that money is going to the UAE is still a dictatorship it's you know it's a dictatorship that is concerned about other dictatorships that the rest of us are concerned about that doesn't make them a it could make them an allied specific military operations it doesn't make them some you know a country that shares our values because they don't even if visually when you look at pictures it sometimes looks like that but.

12:55Yeah I guess I just don't see how this event particularly relates to that issue I'm not sure that I mean you can have a hijacking anywhere now it's true that here's a different I there's a difference the co pilot took part and we haven't had that yet so there is a there is a lack of how should we put this sufficient vetting of those pilots at least but I'm not sure that's got to do I don't know what that is. I don't know what you know well I'm not sure what that's got to do with how did that how did that happen where did this pilot come from how did he get to that position I'm sure we'll we'll be told something about that soon and hope so anyway I hope so I mean there's also the issue of how did he get a weapon on the plane I asked you are certainly what is the nature this is a knife that's one thing you said it might be an axe now how you get an axe on there pilot so that don't get searched so that pilots don't get searched pilots don't get searched so could they bring up the

13:55bring up you know a not allowed to be a block because they bring a block on there with a quick I would try and sneak a block and it could be more successful than a regular passenger. Okay. They just as I as I according to my knowledge they just do not get checked and if they are it's something way less intrusive than a check a passenger. You know there are always behind the people to deal with airplanes airline security at least in the US less so in Israel but certainly there are always setting up security against the previous threat the last threat. Yeah. You know what the guy with the shoes and all that it's a so okay I think we're going to see some more serious yeah but not really that pilots but you know that's not really. There'll be something else yeah but it's not really against the last threat it's against you know the easy part of the last threat because if it's a shoe bomber or if it's if it's a somebody with water or if it's 9 11 if you look at the threat the threat is Islamic terrorism and again that would be what would be profile.

15:01Oh yeah yeah unfortunately I can't stick around to keep discussing this as much as I'd like to but I will be back and I'm sure we'll talk about this more and yeah. Thanks guys and okay thanks for joining us. Bye. I'll give you another example a lot of flights has designated armed security guard or air marshal now. Air marshal whatever what happens if there is a Muslim air marshal and he decides to take the plane then no for real I know that could happen. Of course. So from this like you cannot protect yourself from the means you have to protect yourself from the source. Yeah and well that's true of course. Yes and I have another video I just sent Daniel and I would have requested to play it just 10 seconds and before we played I want to bring the context so this is the video of the situation after the plane has touched down and they were safe.

16:03Now think about the situation they were at. You know they felt it in the most horrible way they could in which like the plane is going to crash they will they were like literally about to all of them were about to die and crash and they quite figured it out that's what that's something wrong it's going on and they might lose their lives we've seen that in the immediate reactions in the previous video. Now I want you to look at the next video which for me it's it demonstrates a resilience but also a set of mind that I don't know what I think about so for me it's bittersweet it's not only sweet but I want you to check out the video of how. The mostly Israeli passengers have react to the plane landing safely. Yeah so we're not missing it's like it's some sort of a Jewish folk song it's it's Odavin Hochai which is it's like a Jewish raised to God and to like like basically like we're still alive sort of cheering.

17:18Okay and what what was your reaction to seeing this so I so first of all it's a demonstration of like how resilient the people are because like I think in a different crowd and on Israeli crowd it would be more of a quiet situation of people like processing the shock and being quiet after a disaster or almost like I think that could have gotten really really much worse. And overhearders like there is some sort of a dinner table celebration kind of mood when and this is the bittersweet thing because it's very Jewish it's very Jewish culture to say they killed us that they try to kill us didn't make it let's. It's like every Jewish holiday almost is under that premise whether it's Passover or Poole Reem or others which is like okay they try to get us we saved let's celebrate and it's both good and bad it's good to celebrate life.

18:22It's bad to not go the extra step and say let's actively fight against those who want to kill us. Which is lacking and I don't blame the passengers the victims so it's just a symbol of set friends. Yeah I don't think they're too worried about that having just survived this horrible thing that that's. I agree it's a thing about that. It's just a symbol. I would hope that if I were on the plane I would have I don't know how do you say let's roll in in Hebrew. I'm trying to think about the appropriate phrase for that situation perhaps it's just the singing. Yeah I wanted to thank Gail for your super chat thank you very much Gail we appreciate you. I did want to bring up another aspect of this which is the coverage now we you know as Lee point out we've we've urged not to you know speculate I think that as I agree with Lee on this I

19:27think it's fine to speculate as long as you understand that's what you're doing that you know that this is not a final judgment this is not you know we're not concluding that you know what actually happened we are speculating but one thing that one article that Daniel sent I forget now who it was some I think Aaron and you know some governmental thing from Dubai I think called this the result of an altercation this the plane you know had this situation is the result of an altercation now admittedly we don't know what happened but I think that is massively dishonest first of all you know you don't you don't stab someone in an altercation that civilized people have civilized people you know can disagree without stabbing each other but the other thing is

20:32why why did he have a knife or an axe whatever it was on the plane that that is a premeditated act you you know as a pilot you're not supposed to just hairy sharp objects with you onto a plane so you know yeah we can only speculate about his motives but the idea that he was just a guy on a plane and he got into an argument with the other pilot and things you know went wrong no that's just ridiculous that he had he brought a weapon onto the plane so this was not just like an argument that went to rye and I mean the term altercation is somewhat vague and maybe maybe it's I'm not sure I'd have to look up the definition it may it may be you can stretch it to cover this kind of stuff I don't know about in Israel but in America of course one of the problems that people have is if you use the wrong term you might get sued and you're at your mistaken you

21:34might see you start off I don't know I'm not really I'm kind of more sympathetic to you Stewart but I'm just saying there is there is there's some possible reasons why the people's of covering it giving that we don't know and I might start off with the term altercation now at this point I saw in the news just a few minutes ago that the Israeli defense minister has has labeled it a jihadist terror attack now how how they know that and what that means but that's certainly more than an altercation yes yeah well I mean my submission is that the act of bringing a weapon onto a plane is it self-terrorist act I mean that that is that is not allowed that is not it's not like oh he just didn't understand the rules of being a pilot no I'm not lying now the fact that he got on this plane with a weapon is an indication of a terrorist act now we we don't know you know

22:36he could be motivated you know we have no idea the fact that he's an amani citizen and you know probable jihadist but you know for all we know you know it could have been that he had a personal animus to this other pilot but the fact is that he got on the plane with a weapon so it's not just like oh they to me an altercation is not something premeditated you don't I'd like to add yes please to according to the known facts the video footage the testaments the statements from Prime Minister and Minister of Defense and many other things like I for me it's knowledge for me it's like 99.9 percent certainty I don't see any reasonable doubt to say this is not an act of terror by the co-pilot and he meant that he wanted that he he like he it wasn't it was also not like a whim

23:38it was planned at least from the moment he brought knife to the plane now I'm going to add another thing according to Iran's response official statement I would suspect with with pretty much high certainty like it's a strong suspicion let's put this way that's Iran is behind it because I run immediately framed it as an Israeli false flag and for Iran to be ready we've said response for me it's a very bright red light because basically the people said it is like Iran and the anti-Semite conspiracy theory people probably supported by Iran but that reaction from Iran made me think that this is basically Iran trying to really hurt Israel and what's the reasoning for that if you're trying to avoid more with America

24:38or whatever the reason is you know brute force Islam mysticism irrationality and the record of them choosing violence over and over again in every opportunity to have had and the reaction yeah so my so I'm I'm for me it's it's like there I don't see any reason any reasonable doubt against the claim that it is in fact an act of terror by the co-pilot and I have a very strong suspicion that Iran is behind it and that brings me up to where Netanyahu reacted to this act of terror and he said a lot of things but he didn't say it is an act of war he didn't say they're going to go after the country behind it or anything implying that so basically you know no harm was done nobody died so we don't treat it as if nobody tried to kill us and move on with our day and I

25:38condemn that very very strongly and that's horrible well I hope I mean I understand that the co-pilot is in custody maybe in the hospital and I hope that they I'm hoping that they will let us say interrogate him efficiently and find out everything that we need to know from possibly from him I hope that's done and done and and short order I'm going to assume that's the end we'll see what happens and it'll probably end up just like he said even afterwards and we find out that he's an Iranian operative and that will just be blown off and it'll be business as usual I guess I'm afraid also that there's a question of who's going to be investigating and what is that country dishonest interest in said case if the Saudis are the one interrogating him they might be unwilling to say oh yeah he was sent by Iran because they are on the appeasing side of the war

26:44against Iran so yeah there is that problem I guess he's an Assadi hospital I guess that's right that's the one yeah unless the Mossad got their hand on him which I don't know I don't know it could be yeah now that's I haven't heard who who has custody of him it's probably the Saudis but yeah Daniel points out that it was air Dubai that they called it an altercation and that other media is running with it and I I submit that that is dishonest just from the get go that is dishonest that is not there's no way you could look at what actually happened oh sorry it's fly Dubai not air Dubai fly Dubai there's no way you could look at what little evidence we have and and call that an altercation that's you know this is clearly premeditated I did want to thank Empty Shoop who I I think is Marchewe he says hi and give us a super chat thank you when you appreciate it um I don't know

27:49about you Stewart but I I'm not planning to fly fly Dubai anytime soon no and I I think that maybe ever I think the stocks of Israeli airlines both the the both major Israeli airlines which is a lot of the other key are both of their stocks went up about 8% today okay that's good that makes this yeah I mean I think I'm with Razi you know I don't really understand why any Israeli is flying to and from Dubai I think I think that's kind of nuts but because it's really it's really our peace lovers and they're very thrilled about having new friends yeah yeah and the cheap vacation sites we've site we've like things to do yeah I think it's naive but um yes yeah but yeah this this can't be helping fly Dubai's stock price I if they're publicly traded but yeah I would I don't imagine that I would ever I probably wouldn't have anyway but certainly now

28:54I wouldn't ever fly fly Dubai at the very least their vetting process I think it's clearly clearly leaves something to be desired um I do I do want to just point out that um well I don't think you you know I think it's certainly plausible that it that Iran is behind this that that definitely falls into the category of speculation at this point I don't think we have evidence of that yet um and and depending you know other than the Iranian denonial which it's just a four-row thing that's conclusive but it's evidence that's true that's true um and unfortunately if the Saudis are the only ones who end up interrogating this guy this Pope pilot then we may never know we may never know but it's obviously this just happened we we don't know what what new information we'll find um Odiniel says it's stay down no stock so

29:57but I would imagine I think there is a stock but this state has some sort of an influence in in the form of like they get to like they have like some sort of weird stock in allow in order of this in case of decision-making but allow is a company you can buy stocks at the stock market okay well regardless of their status as a you know whatever and however their corporate entity is I can't imagine this is gonna help them I don't think this is gonna be a good publicity for them um oh sorry fly Dubai yeah I would hope yeah no ll is fine um but uh yeah I mean I can't imagine even if you're uh an Arab uh who is sympathetic to

30:59Iran or to you know jihadist things I don't most of them are not don't want to personally be on a flight that is going down in flames um so I suspect that so this is not gonna be all that good for them um and now it sounds like yeah you're you're seeing a lot more of this coverage than I imagine it's a pretty big story in Israel um do you get a sense of how yet of how the public is perceiving this in Israel well people in Israel are are quite happy and thankful we've had you know it's being a few hours of like uncertainty and what going on is our like is a flight with a hundred of Israelis in Syjac like what's going on uh and then when we realize that it landed safely and the people are on the way to Israel we're like quite happy about it and there is a lot of memes and jokes uh of how it's like uh for example like in a flight of uh a hundred Israelis you're very likely to find

32:06like an elite unit warrior, a medic, a pilot, uh whatever so it's like a joke about how we like the passengers to cover the situation at the plane uh and if Daniel could share the image I'm saying about the BBC that I recall I want to show you how the BBC covered the event live and they said pilots taken to hospital said Saudi airport after reported cockpit stabbing on Israel bound flight now this is quite ambiguous but the way it could be uh understood by an un focused reader is oh a bunch of Israelis stopped the pilot during the flight uh so it's basically like you know blaming the soldier, soldier defending Israelis is like you know blaming the Israelis if the rally is for taking over the copilot they try to craft the plane uh and of course and for me

33:10it's clear as kind at BBC uh would post such a thing because BBC has an extreme uh propaganda kind of bias against Israel the Jews Zionism etc it has and by the way it is a fact that they have a lot of uh muslim people in high ranks in the BBC and it is and and the bias of the BBC is quite clear fact as well uh so for me it's not surprising that that was the title why the while the things were going on uh the BBC basically blaming the Israelis or you know framing it in a way that like to the most of their ability like they were able to blame Israelis implicitly without being like called out about uh so it just it's ugly it's serious uh this is not the only case I think it's the most clear case of the bias against Israel I've seen today in this article a lot of people talking about

34:12as if it's an Israeli false flag uh so they could blame Iran which I've addressed uh I think it's this is led by Iran I think Iran is trying uh to create a disaster in Israel that we did to a lot of dead Israelis uh this is not their first attempt since October 7 uh and since all of the rounds we've had once and then and other they've been they have a lot of attempts with SPONage and other uh bombing attempts etc so this is the situation uh also I would like to read uh posed by an Israeli named Itamar Greenberg and he's a very hard left Israeli very delusional Israeli and he says the fact that Israelis are not afraid to land in a Saudi military base while the genocide is Gaza is occurring is a huge shame for Saudi Arabia they show zero solidarity

35:18with the Palestinian people the word must force us he talks about Israel the war must force Israel to end the Israeli apartheid immediately uh so and this was sent by an Israeli so you got to understand the evil way the leftist uh collectivist ideology gets Israelis as well yeah that's stunning though what I mean so he he's saying that the Saudis should have refused letting them emergency land they should have refused they should have let all the Israelis died on the plane so the Israelis would learn to end their heartily wow one of uh yeah uh Bonnie thank you so much for your super chat um and also I don't know who this is uh PC dash LU3 ZF uh I have no idea who you are but I think what's that ZT ZT okay uh so thank you for your super chat uh Daniel says we do

36:22have a bit of uh Netanyahu speech I think it might be instructive to uh to see that um so two things first it's you know he knows how to speak yet there is no word about like this is an act of war we're gonna give the state behind it nothing uh and and and this is an outrage uh for me at least now another thing Daniel if you could just pause a frame on the speech just stream it for one moment like as a freeze frame so I'd like to commend Netanyahu for his suit I like his pic lapels uh they're very nice uh because they used to be a friend of slim pic lapels which is horrible so these are wider pic lapels which is great I like the Israeli flagpin uh the blue tie is wonderful also the shirt collar is nice and firm and large and it's not a tiny shirt collar that a lot of people wear uh a big

37:25downfall of the suit is the way it's ironed if you look on the left on my left side of his net you can see a gap between the suit and the shirt this is very bad and it could fix with a different kind of ironing for the suit so it will sit properly on the back of his neck and shoulders uh but besides that a very great suit good job Netanyahu you have improved that was an amazing uh this position there and I don't think I'm up to this standard I'm afraid no no I don't think any of us live up to the standards for for uh dressing well um I don't condemn Netanyahu for not uh considering this an act of war I don't think we know enough yet there we have a maybe instances of lone jihadists crazy jihadists acting on their own so I mean I think it's the Iranian denial certainly you know it gives pause and you

38:33know they may well we'd be behind it but given how how little we know at this point uh I don't condemn him for not uh not speculating I think it's it's it's smart in my opinion lead sounds like you agree with yeah no I that's right we don't know and there can be lone actors in this but uh the uh one one bit on the other side here is it it doesn't look I mean again I'm I'm trying to say something but uh we're I'm so ignorant of what actually is going on and what happened and I'm a little hesitant but I'll just say that it doesn't look that well well planned or and if you really wanted to do something you would do something more 9-11 like and and uh try to pilot the have a pilot that has the charts the proper and and pilot it just as if it were a regular plane until you got to Ben Goryan Airport say and then crash it into the airport or something around there and kill a lot more people that way I mean it seems to me you

39:35know that would be the right way yeah of course I don't know uh I'm sure the defenses is really Air Force is very good defense but maybe if you just we're able to act as if you are regular plane until you get really close anyway that's what I would try to do so it doesn't sound to me like it's that well planned I don't know yeah I mean and if the if the if the if the if the pilot can actually bring weapons on if that's actually true uh you would think he'd bring something you know a powerful handgun of some kind and bring that on if he could actually could I mean again I don't know what their inspection protocol is like so it doesn't it doesn't look to me from the little I know it doesn't look that well planned it's not that easy acquiring a gun and I think it probably you know had this kind of brute force mentality like I'm a copilot yeah I'm the man I'll stop the other pilot no problem and it's rough to plane and then whatever

40:36it did not expect the Israeli heroism of storming into the cockpit immediately and neutralizing the attacker for him it would have been an easy peasy I would say more I think there was a case in Europe where a pilot suicide it and killed the whole the whole whomever was at the plane it was a commercial flight and he did it no problem without without even carrying a weapon uh so I think it's like it's I think thinking oh he you know he should have been smarter and acquire a gun it's not that easy and it requires more rational thinking and obviously this guy is not the top of the class in rationality yes well that's the point uh of course the 9-11 guys were were not anywhere near the top of the class in rationality but they executed a plan unfortunately that that had some you know what we'd call what they would call success and it seems to me that

41:39this plan could have you know could have turned out much worse if they had planned it better it seems to me but again I'm we're dealing with what's what they call premature speculation here I don't think it's premature but I I know it's speculation I don't I don't know enough let's see what this one got yeah it's very similar to 9-11 in the case that in both cases the weapon was a knife in 9-11 it was like a box cutter and it's it's similar in the case that the attackers had the ability to fly the plane they had a training in this case it's quite different because he was officially assigned to fly but yeah so presumably presumably could have if he could have neutralize the other pilot totally he could have flown the plane on its regular course right into Israel and crashing into something really important not just not just kill 180 people which is certainly would have been tragic but it could have been much more tragic

42:44as we know from the 9-11 event if that could have been repeated somewhere in Israel that would have been horrible yeah I mean I that didn't happen yeah I mean I I think that it's just far too soon to know but I don't think that any of the evidence we've seen prevents this from being a single jihadist acting along you know it doesn't seem like it was such a masterful plan that there had to be you know a government agency behind it like so I suspect it's Iran also because we got so Israelis got to see intelligence because of political fighting there was a whole political scandal yesterday of Netanyahu and Yael Lapid the head of opposition both kind of tried to make a spin on security concerns and Netanyahu claimed publicly that there is some sort of like special

43:50security situation and then Lapid says well you got to brief me and you started to find about it and today like Yael Lapid made a post of how like oh Netanyahu warned me but it wasn't on that and then Netanyahu responded well I did warn you about we we've been suspecting that like well it wasn't said this way but basically what you could understand for me that Israel had some suspicion that other states were trying to attack Israel via some sort of foreign terror attack or whatever so this was like what I'm talking right now was like it came out it should it should have been classified but it came out because of our politicians fighting each other so this is also a thing to consider while you're trying to figure out what's going on so and as I said I suspect this is Iran but I do not have direct evidence I only have like indirect assumptions I don't know the nature of Iran we know what happens so now and we have the statements from Iran and it's all

44:55basically and you know the rockiness of said statement which all come together to to form this suspicion yeah I think you're you're right to be suspicious and there's nothing that we know about Iran or the situation that would preclude them being behind it but I but I do think it's it is speculation you know we just have to be clear that you know we need a lot more evidence to really know what what went on there I just I just asked my buddies Gemini twins and they gave this peculiar answer they say there's no indication that Iran was behind the hijacking they say what actually happened was and they used Stuart's favorite term cockpit altercation says rather than an external hijacking or terrorist plot investigations and passage reports revealed a violent internal dispute slash physical altercation inside the cockpit between the pilots now why that would exclude

46:01it being a terrorist act I don't I don't you know this is what we get from from chat pods this is the kind of stuff we get from chat box I said crackpots didn't I or nearly chat chat pots for it we get from crack chatbots these days is this kind of kind of stuff but yeah so they use that altercation term I mean again it is within the realm of possibility that this will turn out that you know maybe the pilot was having an affair with the copilot's wife maybe the whole thing was personal but it was yeah but it was premeditated you don't get on a plane with a knife you know it's not like they suddenly had a discrepanied over you know who gets the last Danish on the you know it's incredibly dishonest to just call this like an altercation that you know that like just spontaneously broke out no that that that is not within the realm of the possible unless this

47:04a money guy just routinely carries a knife with him on every flight in which case that's a problem they really problem is it that's a problem Gemini is also sorry go ahead yeah I mean again it's within the realm of the possible but given all the other evidence we have it seems extremely unlikely Gemini is also claiming that the sudden drop in altitude and activation of the hijacking code were triggered by the on board struggle in other words so that the their claiming or the chatbot is claiming it wasn't the hijacker that brought the plane down and it will change the attitude drove drove the plane down downward in altitude it was an automatic response because of the activation by the way I've seen a video of the injured pilot that was not the terrorists and you can see like

48:05he's severely injured his missing a finger it's all the whole thing is is full of blood like we we can tell for sure that the co-pilot had started us tabbing frenzy against the pilot which by itself is an indication that he did not have any good purposes or it wasn't like a heated argument or whatever like it was like he he jumped on him to to kill him and I'm not sure that the plane just spontaneously reacted with trying to crush itself yeah I don't know that I think it was and and the testimonials are saying like I've heard two testimonies including the one that neutralized in stating that the co-pilot was attempting to mess with the plane systems apparently to make it crash or whatever to take you know so it's don't don't just don't give him too much slack when you try to analyze the situation

49:13and somebody in the comments said I wouldn't give him a strike at all it's a miracle that the plane survived and once I it's not a miracle there were there were human action there were people there with agency over there themselves and their decisions which in that state of emergency to control and save the day so it was it was human action pilots saving the situation there were pilots yeah but before the pilots there was this man I mean I've seen the video you know he there is a video when he meets the prime minister of Israel and his shirt is filled with blood and he's apologizing for not having the ability to change you know because it's quite true to come with like you look you know that you're best and I completely understand him but still think about the heroism of that man taking over the situation neutralizing the terrorists stabilizing the plane for then later on the pilot to come and land

50:17it think about that man that hero saving the day in in moments notice immediately jumping to save the day you know that's very courageous that's a lot of you know taking initiate taking control over the situation this is incredible this is amazing yeah I agree I think I think it diminishes the heroism to call it a miracle yeah it's not it's not a miracle it's it's a good thing but it's it's a good thing that was the result of as you said as human agency and he and maybe the pilot contributed because they they were there's a claim that he unlatched the door now I don't again we don't know exactly just because of you know the india times claim something the india times is the one that said that it was an altercation but

51:17yeah yeah according well according to my buddies Gemini okay we're not always reliable of course they say it was the india india times that referred or it's one place that called the cockpit on vacation yeah I think it makes sense that the pilot I mean it's not easy to break in those into the end of the door it's not supposed to be easy to break in the door it's supposed to be near impossible so it certainly makes sense with the pilot did that but so let's go go ahead and wrap this up ER do you have any final thoughts and where can people find you so I actually have a great news so I'm gonna start with by traditional ending plug and insert them so I'm here Rachel I'm an associate of the iron run center Israel and I'm proud to announce we're gonna have a show in English this Friday so this Friday we have a live stream with

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