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Analytics Don't Have a Feel for the Game

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Nick Wize continues the debate over how much analytics should dictate in-game decisions after the Red Sox were swept by the Yankees in the Wild Card. Nick reads listener texts and takes calls from Rays fans weighing in on the analytics debate, including a former Boston fan who now finds himself rooting for Tampa Bay—Boston accent and all. Nick argues that numbers can provide information, but they don't have a feel for the game.

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I'm sure a race van can correct me on that because that one definitely hurts when they took out snow when he was pitching pretty well. And somebody made a good point on the text line. The snow one is so painful because that was the final time he was going to pitch that year. Like you could have thrown him till his arm fell off. It didn't matter. So we're talking about that. How do you want the race to approach the postseason? Do you want them to approach it the way they typically approach a baseball game and rely heavily on the analytics or would you like to see them not use the analytics as much? I'm a little bit in between. I'm an in between around this. I still want them to do what they did that got them here. But there are certain situations that I do think in the playoffs in a five game or seven game series, you have to get away from the analytics at times. I don't think you can rely on them 100%. A text or pointed out Dan Patrick had a great point this morning. I guess he said some teams are 162 games.

Great. Others are three five seven game series. Analytics is great for 162. Coach Cash needs to flex. And I think he knows that I think Kevin Cash knows that too. I have a feeling he's going to handle this a little bit differently. Now here's season that been different. Well, analytically though, they've they've still relied on the analytics. But wait until he does do something that he doesn't typically do and it doesn't work out. Come back to the analytics. You moron. You know, that's that's always a possibility too. A couple of text on the topic and then we'll go back to the phones. Brian and golf port. I'd actually lean more into the analytics. People complain about analytics when something doesn't work, but nobody complains when it works when Tampa Bay wins all of these games. I mean, you've got you've got a point. But I also, even though they've won all of these games, I people still complain about the analytics. I was complaining about the I just I used a great reference. I believe it was it was the cardinal series, either game one, two or three.

I don't remember. But I remember that they took out Ben Williamson was like the hottest hitter in baseball. Now we're what two or three games into the season. And he pinched him for Palacios who was over two. And I thought, man, that is the most Kevin Cash thing. Those are the situations that I wouldn't mind them staying out of like I know the pitching matchup. Maybe it was better suited for Palacios that day than it was Ben Williamson, but Ben Williamson was the hottest batter in the lineup. And he went to a guy that was hitless on the season. And he remained hitless because it didn't work out. So those are the scenarios where I wouldn't mind ignoring the Atlanta, the, I don't know why you wanted to say Atlanta, analytics. I think it's because we made fun of Atlanta yesterday. And I've got so many Atlanta fans commenting and sharpen at me because we released that video yesterday because I gave crap to Atlanta fans not selling out. And one of the Atlanta fans commented on the video that it was like game two had 33,000.

We did better. And I wrote, thank you for confirming you didn't sell out again. But you know, the networks are going to hammer Atlanta the way they did Tampa Bay. Let's go to Robert and Clearwater. What's up, Robert? How you doing? Yeah, I've let's go to the conversation and I totally agree with you guys. You know, analytics has its place. You have to get through 162 games. But once you're in the playoffs using analytics is silly. Play the players if they're playing well, keep playing them. You can't just pull them out because some statistic was created during a very long season. And that's why a manager has got to have a feel for that kind of stuff. You can't just blindly follow analytics. Now I agree with you because analytics, they don't really have a feeling for the situation or the game or the magnitude of said game because analytics said to make a move last night

that essentially cost the team the game. Not only did it cost them the game, but sunny gray and going back. There's zero chance. I think he ends up in Boston again. He was pissed. Contreras was pissed. Do you have the Contreras quote in front of you again for those that are just joining us? Wilson Contreras first basement for the Red Sox last night. He did not love the fact that the Red Sox leaned in on analytics. Go ahead if you got that. Yeah, I got it. So Wilson Contreras said quote, you have a lot of different stuff. It's not enough when you have talent or you have data or you have computers telling you what to do because this is baseball. The data is here to help us, but at the end of the day, you need experience and veteran guys to win games. There's a lot of stuff I would like to say, but I'll state it like that end quote. There you go. They definitely weren't happy with going analytical last night and it burned them. And we've all been in that situation before here in Tampa Bay. I would say it was the last two games like all playoffs, even the first game they did

analytical stupid stuff and cost them. Would you say it costs them more? I mean, game two was you have you have stats that back up. How good he is on the sixth inning and you took him out. What was this pitch count? Do you know when they say 70, 70, 42, 3rds, 6 hits, 5Ks, 70 pitches, 50 for strikes. What was the score? Was it two nothing or one nothing? I think it was two nothing when they pulled them. Yeah, two nothing was. He gave the second run of the fifth. And then the sixth ending they gave up six. They gave up they gave up on they gave up on Tuesday night and they gave up last night. Do you think do you think that that's what happened? Do you think the team knew they went analytical and it in a piston off and that was it? Like did it feel like that to you? Like the team really gave up the red socks. Oh, no, absolutely. The fact that you put in a guy Eric Miller in game one after Peyton Toley, which Peyton Toley's a lefty, they were worried about Ben Rice because you got a double earlier in the game.

That's a lefty on lefty just to throw an Eric Miller who's a lefty who was worse in his last five outings, who's not ready for this. And instead he pulled Peyton Toley who's again had another good pitch count. Like the MMA absolutely gave up. It was so obvious. The red socks are fake fake team right now. Let's go to Alan and Lutz. What's up, Alan? I love him because I'm a form of Massachusetts resident myself. I was born and raised a sock stamp in first 20, 70 years. My life performed my wife and I moved on to Tampa 13 years ago. So I'm my bona fide. I went to the bloody sock game back in 2004, which was incredible back when I was a sock fan. So I lived and died by them. But then I started savoring on them after the 070809 all the pink hats come on. And I'm like, the rays are better. I like to raise. They're more fun to watch. They don't have the same capital that the red socks the AGs have. And I just enjoyed their style of baseball. Now I'm 100% offensive.

I cannot wait to be this Saturday. But yeah, all my buddies back up in Boston, they agree. The socks are joke. They hate the ownership group. Now they're more concerned with their Liverpool football club than they are about the red socks. So my point on the game and the series coming up, do you even pitch to Ben Rice at this point? Similar to how the Aggies are going to have to decide if they want to pitch to Junior Caminaro. I don't want to pitch to Ben Rice. Like I said, in more shots right now. No, he's on fire right now. The analytics let them know whether they should pitch to him or not. Alan, I got a real question for you, Alan. Like when you're at the top and let's say the red socks are in town and you're wearing your raised jersey and you chirping a red socks fan or then they hear your boss and they like confused like what? They're super confused, especially because I'm there and I've had a couple of beers and I it comes out worse when I'm there. Like that's right with you. It's like listen, you guys became the evil empire to me when you started buying your payrolls. You're so little dodges. You guys are just running up the score on your payrolls and I hated that. It's like a buying your world series.

We scrapping claw down here and we get the same results except for the championship. So I think that's, I don't want to drink anything. I feel like this is the year of changes, but it does. It does. It does. It does. Alan. I tell them where I'm from and then we get cozy again and we're like, yeah, well, we can agree to disagree. So. Great call man. Call in anytime. I love it. Absolutely. The other side of me to cut off, catch you off there. I could just imagine how confused the Red Sox man is when they, he starts chirping at them with his, I mean his accent was thicker than yours Tim. It was close. It was, yeah, it was about the same. But I was just tied on your screen and calls. I was just talking about like how a confused the Red Sox fan will be if, if he's in his race, you're as he starts chirping at them and they're like, whoa, whoa, aren't you one of us? What? What? Yeah. All right. Boy. All right. We're going to continue this. So we're going to get everybody in today.

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