AMA & Hangout with Contributors (Oct 2026) | Yaron Brook Show

0:00Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2 a.m., you wake up with a fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacy's clothes. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection, UTI, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea, and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com-slasblue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com-slasblue.

1:01Right now at Subway, try the 499 sub of the day. Get a different six inch sub every day for just 499 each, like meatball marinara on Mondays, tuna on Tuesdays, and the BMT on Saturdays. It's a different six inch sub every day. Pack with protein in your choice of chopped veggies for just 499 each, or make it a meal with chips and a drink for just $2 more. But hurry, it's only for a limited time, and only at Subway. At participating restaurants, prices higher in Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii, and on third-party delivery, add on taxes and fees for delivery additional. This is the Iran Broad Show. Oh right, everybody. Welcome to Iran Broad Show on this Saturday, October 3rd. Hopefully we're just having a great weekend. Today's our AMA. So we've got a panel,

2:09we've got Adam and Amlin. I'm not sure where everybody else is. Maybe they'll come in later. But yeah, if you guys are on there and haven't yet joined the panel, what do you call it? Yeah, click on that zoom link. All right, so we're going to take questions on the panel. We'll ask you to take questions, of course, in the super chat. So both of those are available, and yeah, we'll start with Adam. Thanks. The last time when I asked about public opinion in Poland being more favorable toward free markets and economic freedoms than anywhere else in the world, they essentially said, well, they still remember communism.

3:18So we can depend on that. I actually looked at the data and the other ex-communist countries are all over the place. Poland just stands out and it's the only country in the survey. Of course, there are many countries in which such surveys cannot be done, but it was done in 34 countries. And Poland is the only one with better public opinion on free markets and economic freedoms in the United States. Good. So I do have some alternative explanations, but they will require a couple of articles. I'm going to send you the URLs by email and maybe we'll discuss that

4:23that the next AMA. Yep, sounds good. I mean, explanations are good. I generally have had positive experiences in Poland. There is an active free market, libertarian movement in Poland, with chapters at the universities all over the place. I also know that most of them are very Catholic. So if we don't believe Catholicism is really compatible with capitalism, will it last? Is a question I have. A lot of anarchists in Poland. So there's a libertarian movement there is quite dominated by the anarchist element within the libertarian movement. But yeah, I mean, they seem to have, they seem to be benefiting from relative free markets. Although they, everybody I talked to in Poland says politically, all the liberalization, the big liberalization

5:28happened in the 90s and early 2000s and very little in terms of actual liberalization has happened since then. I don't know if that's true. I haven't looked into it, but that's what they tell me. But the Polish economy is doing fantastic and I think people attributed it to those liberalization moves and they have a very positive view. I'm curious what the Czech Republic has because the Czech Republic also has a fairly free market political system. Yes, the Czech Republic is among the top seven. But I do have two things about what you said. Number one, it's true that the official social teachings of the Roman Catholic Church deprecate capitalism. So if the questions are asked with the word capitalism in them, the more literal Roman Catholics will say no. And one of the articles

6:38that I'm going to forward you the links to actually did the experiment, asking the question with and without mentioning capitalism explicitly. However, they don't say exactly what they mean by capitalism. And for a long time, I've seen an active international organization of Catholic individuals, the act of AC, T-O-N. I know the act in people here. Okay, so that doesn't really exclude anything. But again, I'd like to come back to this and greater length later. For the moment, I have another question that you just might happen to know the answer to. Why did Ukraine actually transfer their nuclear weapons to Russia

7:44without waiting for the US Senate to ratify the Budapest Memorandum? I mean, if it's not ratified by the Senate, it's not valid. Yeah, I don't think they passed on the nuclear weapons primarily just because they got the commitment from the United States. It wasn't just the United States. But I think they didn't want to bother with it. It's a poor country. They didn't have the resources, I think, to maintain the nuclear weapons. Who knows what condition they were to begin with. And my guess is they fell to great relief in getting rid of them. I don't think they projected forward in terms of them wanting to be independent and Russia not allowing it. I don't think they thought that far ahead. It was also a period in which there was a lot of belief

8:45that the entire eastern block, including Russia, would liberalize significantly. And therefore, Russia would not be a threat to anybody. I think they were naive. And they also believed the United States, they believed the Senate would ratify it because that's what the administration told them. And they wanted the weapons off their hands. They thought it would be more of a burden than an asset. That would be my guess. Good. I have another question that I think Amlan also has questions. So it's my next turn. Sounds good. Amlan. Hi, how are you? It's a much more lower stakes question than what Adam was asking. But with all the brewhar going on about daylight savings time and not daylight savings time and all this nonsense, why not just adopt the approach that aviation? And I think the maritime industry uses too, which is just use UTC time.

9:49And then in every location, businesses can adapt to whatever they want to have. If they say, our working hours are 1400 to 200 the UTC, then so be it. Why does this have to be dictated by the bloody government? Well, it doesn't. I mean, it was dictated by the bloody government because the government took it over and decided that it was good for us to have an extra hour of sunshine in the morning or in the evening or whatever. And they're paternalistically dictated to all of us. But the whole idea of time zones was created by the railroads. Because they needed to have a timetable and they needed to be able to everybody to be on the same page. And there was a lot of variation across states and across regions within states. And as always, the government stepped in to try to bring uniformity and one standard to everybody. And it's good for us. To have standards is good for us. And we don't know what's good for us independent of that. So it's just government

10:55paternalism. It's something more than that. I mean, UTC still solves that problem because it still gives you a time, I guess I have to go entirely. You'd have to do the calculation about where you are while it's at UTC. And so you'd have to do some addition and subtraction, which is hard for people. And again, the government is saving us from that. I mean, there are millions of solutions to this without the government actually telling us what time zone to use. But yes, I mean, it's typical government paternalism. So it's just related that I really quickly then. But so let's say I mean, I think you mentioned this. Maybe it was a question actually. I hate my divastula a while ago that, you know, like there's there's standards. Like, like even if you say that language is a standard for law. Yeah. Right. Like at some level, there's like a fundamental foundational standard. Right. That that you say, okay, this word means this. Yes. And in law, this word means this. And therefore

12:01something. So is there other things like weights and measures and stuff like that that? Yeah, absolutely. It makes sense that you would want to have some government. Perhaps has some role in that. Yeah. I mean, I think I think having a weight and measures kind of a government entity that basically says these are the standards. They never have to do anything after that. But maybe this new stuff that comes about where you need a standard. But then if you want to contract independently using a different standard. So be it. And, you know, they could say, you know, Washington, DC is on this time zone and everybody else adjust, right? Adapt, right? But there's no there's no need beyond that. You know, the gold at some point they needed a link. If they were going to accept gold, they needed a link to dollar to a weight of gold. They did that. That was part of the weights and measurements. But then it's done. You don't you don't have to do anything after that. So,

13:04so you need some standards or it's there's a huge advantage in having some standards and there's no reason for the government not to codify those. Okay. Okay. Great. Thanks. Jim. Katherine, you got a question? Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. You wake up with the fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacy's clothes. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions, sinus and ear infection, UTIs, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded,

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17:24I do, okay. So I'd actually, you know, do you about this? Because it's personal to me, but also it's a very national debate right now in Congress. So have you heard of this company? It's called Flock Safety. Yep. Yep. I hate the guy that started it. He went to college with me. He's just like, it's like a personal thing. Okay. I don't, I had never liked him. He's just not a good guy. Yeah. But anyway, okay. So basically you know the business model is they sell these like $3,000 cameras, like very expensive camera. And then they put these cameras up. It's like a surveillance company. And then they sell your, they scan you and they scan your license plate and they sell that data to the police. Yep. And so I have a good friend who's like works as a lawyer and he's like saying it violates our fourth amendment rights. And there's people on like both sides of it. Like again, I personally think Garrett's the worst person ever. So it's like personal. But I also

18:27think it's just an interesting debate because I feel like I'm just going to, so like in Buckhead, which is like an area of Atlanta, I grew up in. So Atlanta's now like the most surveilled city in the US, but they're like rolling these cameras out all over the country. And I feel like there's like an undercurrent of racism to it. And like the wealthy neighborhoods where they're just kind of like we want to like watch people. But anyway, I guess the argument is a government that the government doesn't have a right to know where you are at all the times, even though it would make their jobs easier to like quote unquote fight crime. I think that's right. So the question is, the question is what happens to the data, right? So let's see their cameras and and they're filming. You know, we already have cameras, aside from flock all over the place, but nobody has access to those cameras unless a crime has been committed and then the police can come in and they can go to your gas station and get the footage. Yeah, and you have to follow the protocol. Anything

19:31exactly the same thing should happen with flock. So, so you know, the the the cameras will have the potential to reduce crime, but they cannot be providing information to the government or to anybody else. Uh, will in Ili, they have to only be able to provide that information. Yeah, agreed. But they are providing it, Will in Ili, as the point is that like they're putting them up wherever they're selling the data to the police. And it's basically were becoming like a surveillance city and like it's not I'm a get like agree, I agree. I think they need to follow the fourth amendment and they're the procedure to follow exactly like there's not in like Shanghai or like other countries, but in America, you can't just like sell people's personal data like that. No, that's right. And that's absolutely right. So they have to they should have to follow the procedure. And if they don't then they should not be cameras. So, uh, uh, before Congress right now and I really bipartisan,

20:32like people on their side, it's not really like a partisan issue. It's just a I don't know. Anyway, sorry. I'm like, I know. I think people are very upset about this. It's it's made than used. Uh, and the real, you know, they can't put the cameras up anyway because they they have to get a they have to get permission, right? It's private property. Uh, and my guess is the police hire them to put the cameras up. Yeah, they sell it to the first. And and then the question is what are what procedures are to keep that information private and to keep it, uh, to keep it only usable when a crime is committed. Um, and if you can't have those procedures and they shouldn't they shouldn't have the cameras. Well, I agree. And so it sparked a big national debate because two weeks ago, a woman was arrested and spent two weeks in jail. I don't know if you saw it because they they the police were like, we have your car on camera. Like we have all this data, these cameras and they were wrong. Um, and she spent two weeks in jail and now that she's like going to it's like a massive lawsuit. Good. Like good. Yeah. But I mean, good. She's

21:36showing them. But but yeah, I mean, look, there's always going to be abuse. The question is, is this systematic abuse? Is the technology such that it has to be abused? If there's a way to safeguard if I'm abuse, then I think it's fine. If there's no way to safeguard if I'm abuse, then yeah, it's not fine. We should we should give it a bit. Yeah. And people, I like this. I mean, I'm not like a vigilante justice, but people are smashing all the cameras and they're putting foam all over the cameras. That kind of makes me proud because I'm like, you know what? Like I really think they're absolutely not following any. They're just trying to make money. It's a four-poche. There's lots of stories of police abusing abusing these. So, so there's there's reason to believe that not. And maybe what Congress to do is pass a bill that clarifies exactly how they need to follow procedures to protect our privacy. You know, London has cameras every way. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving

22:37random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. You wake up with the fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacy's closed. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions, sinus and ear infection, UTIs, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea, and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekitt.com-slasblue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekitt.com-slasblue. Real quick, if any of these sound familiar, there's something you can do right now. Craving something sweet after every meal, hungry again,

23:38an hour after you eat. Weight won't budge, no matter how disciplined you are. These are all signs that your body isn't producing enough GLP1. The hormone that keeps you full and supports weight loss. The good news? Bioma GLP1 booster helps you increase its natural production. So you can quiet the food noise and enjoy smoother weight management when following a healthy lifestyle. Head to bioma.help-slash-GLP1 and use code podcasts to get 15% off. Dave Roberts here. There you are, surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2am, you wake up with a fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgentcare? Close. ER? Slam. Telehealth? Maybe. But the pharmacy's close. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection. UTIs. Stomach bug. Travelers diarrhea and more. On-hand

24:39before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com-slash-blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com-slash-blue. Real quick, if any of these sound familiar, there's something you can do right now. Craving something sweet after every meal, hungry again, an hour after you eat. Weight won't budge, no matter how disciplined you are. These are all signs that your body isn't producing enough GLP1. The hormone that keeps you full and supports weight loss. The good news? Bioma GLP1 booster helps you increase its natural production. So you can quiet the food noise and enjoy smoother weight management when following a healthy lifestyle. Head to bioma.health-slash-GLP1 and use code podcast to get 15% off. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving

25:43random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2am, you wake up with a fever and your throat's on fire. Now what? Urgent care? Close. ER? Slam. Telehealth? Maybe. But the pharmacy's closed. You need a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection, UTIs, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea, and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. In the... I don't know if it's abused over there or not, but they have...

26:46UK is a surveillance state in that sense. They have cameras everywhere. They survey everything. But we have more legal protections than the Brits do. The question is, are they being upheld or not? And it's good to come. I think it's interesting. I'm watching a Korean TV serial. The title is, may it please the court. And it's about lawyers, but the underpart involves government officials abusing the surveillance cameras. And of course, they don't even use government cameras in Korea. It is customary for shop owners to have surveillance cameras in front of their

27:48stores. And so far, it's a very interesting series with a very interesting flat. Good. Good. Yeah. I mean, that title. That's cool. Yeah. I don't really have this thing on this. In Canada, at least in Ontario, I believe that most of the cops are scanning license plates as they're driving along. And if there's any issue that comes up, they'll pull the car over. My friend actually had that happen to him. There was a mistake on the registry. And I mean, I hear no fuss about this at all. And because to me, Canada is like, there's this inherent trust of government in most of the public, which is probably my mind. But it's there. So I'm really glad to see a bit of a fuss in the US about it. Yep. Because maybe some of it, you know, send some of that fuss up here. Because, you know, to me, I have a problem with that, right? Like, depending on how the system is working and what it's storing, but is it recording, okay, I scanned this license plate at this location? Now, they've got a record of where I've been. Yeah. And they

28:53don't deserve that record without following the law, in my opinion. Oh, I'm sure there's abuses. Like, yeah, but it's a foreclothic thing to it for safety. Like, if, you know, does it delete the data if nothing comes up, but they just want to make money. Yeah. So like I say, can the Canadians are just so trusting of government for stupidity reasons? Yeah. American stuff. Trust government sends some of that distrust of this stuff. Yeah. I don't think it was sticking with Canadians. I have a feeling they know. Yeah. Here, it's like, oh, just give us more government. We're happy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Thanks, Catherine. Right. We've got one super chat from Bosnia. How could he'll it's a govina? Wow. I didn't know I had to somebody listening to show in Bosnia. How to get into classical music? He asked right now some pieces sound nice, but I don't have a strong emotional reaction to them.

29:54So I've talked about this in the past. It given the short attention span we all have that our culture cultivates and the mindlessness of most contemporary music. It's not surprising that it's hard to get into classical music and it requires some effort and some patience. So what you really need to do is invest some time in it and focus on it. I think taking some classical music pieces, listening to them intently with a singular focus on the music rather than just this background, trying to really not let your mind drift, trying to have your mind really focused on the music while you're listening and sustaining that focus for longer than two or

30:58three minutes, which is again, hard in the culture in which we live. And just letting the music impact you emotionally. I mean, I recommend darkening the room so you don't have a lot of other stimuli, cranking the music up to 11, which means loud, and basically allowing yourself to be making it into a completely immersive experience. I would also start with things that are easier to, I think, relate to emotionally right off the bat. I think, I don't know, Czajakowski's violin concerto is piano concerto, Rachmaninoff, piano concerto number two, maybe some Beethoven symphonies. What else is there's a bunch of classical music that is relatively

32:00easy to connect to. I would not start with Richard Strauss, I would not follow Frank's recommendation. I would not start with Richard Strauss, I would not start with Debussy or Spiggy or Sibelius of Van Williams or Rovel, any of those guys, much too difficult, much too hard. That's kind of level two, three, four. Pyrrghent by Greg is good, Shachuzad is good, Mozart, he says, Christopher says Mozart. I don't think Mozart is above all, because I think Mozart connects emotionally less than some of the others. I would start with the Romantics and go from there. But don't be overly ambitious in terms of starting with, I don't know, Rachman Strauss. Rachman Strauss is hard even for those of us who listen to quite a bit of classical music. That is what I would suggest. Making

33:08effort to focus on it, read a little bit about the musicians, read a little bit about the history of classical music, I think it just adds. But the main thing is just spend time with an actual focus, with an actual focus on it. I would say late Mozart tends to be much more romantic than early Mozart. Definitely. And if you want to start easy where the music is easy to follow, without having prior experience, late Mozart is actually very good. Yeah, I think late Mozart works. But there's a lot. Look, you could start with a Mendelssohn violin concerto. You can shoot months piano concertos beautiful and I think easy to get the emotion of it and respond emotionally to it. The Beethoven piano concertos, the violin concertos,

34:15generally concertos a little easier than symphonies. I think that's true of the Mozart, late piano concertos as well. Because there's this dynamic of the piano versus the orchestra, which it creates a contrast that I think makes it easier to follow. But just thought somewhere and go with what you like. Frank says the source of apprentice, which reminds me of the Disney. What's the movie called? We're Mickey Mouse's conducting classical music. I forget. But anyway, it's a pretty amazing introduction to classical music. Fantasia. Fantasia is a pretty good intro to classical music. Although, again, you're not fully focused on the music because you're watching the animation. So it only partially works. People, yeah, we've got a lot of suggestions here.

35:18Most of them are good. But again, I wouldn't start with a ballerow. I really think about where you're going to get the emotional impact from. Brahms, if you're going to do Brahms piano and violin again, the symphonies are a little harder. Yeah, that's where I would go. And if you do the symphonies, one and four easier than two and three. All right. Let's see. Yeah, Chopin. There's tons. I mean, once you get into classical music, the beauty of it is there's no end to the quantity. You know, you can spend a lifetime delving into it and discovering new things. There's no end, right? There's still some of these I haven't heard ever that are really good. And there's no

36:20life times worth of music there. All right, Adam. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. You wake up with the fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacy's closed. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions, sinus and ear infection, UTI, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea, and more. On hand before you need them, use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drug store at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at

37:22urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. Real quick, if any of these sound familiar, there's something you can do right now. Craving something sweet after every meal, hungry again, an hour after you eat, weight won't budge, no matter how disciplined you are. These are all signs that your body isn't producing enough GLP1. The hormone that keeps you full and supports weight loss. The good news? Bioma GLP1 booster helps you increase its natural production. So you can quiet the food noise and enjoy smoother weight management when following a healthy lifestyle. Head to bioma.help slash GLP1 and use code podcasts to get 15% off. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2 a.m., you wake up with a fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacy's

38:22clothes. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection, UTI, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea, and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. Real quick, if any of these sound familiar, there's something you can do right now. Craving something sweet after every meal, hungry again an hour after you eat, weight won't budge, no matter how disciplined you are. These are all signs that your body isn't producing enough GLP1. The hormone that keeps you full and supports weight loss. The good news? BiomeGLP1 booster helps you increase its natural production. So you can quiet the food noise and enjoy smoother weight

39:27management when following a healthy lifestyle. Head to biome.help slash GLP1 and use code podcast to get 15% off. Dave Roberts here, there you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2 a.m., you wake up with a fever and your throat's on fire. Now what? Urgentcare, close. ER, slam, telehealth, maybe. But the pharmacy's close. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection, UTI, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded, you wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my

40:27promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. Yes. At one point you recommended voting democratic in this turn of elections just to suck it to Trump and essentially make the next Congress less of less reliable for Trump. Now I would amend that and say first of all, this only applies to Congress and Senate. When it comes to local candidates, you really have to look at what every single one of them has as their policy and some Democrat and some Republicans

41:32are just to load some anti-Semitic, anti-capitalist and so on. So we need to be very careful. I also wanted to amend something that you mentioned, which is about the absence of new housing being built in California. Torrance right now has at least three giant housing developments underway. The California Supreme Court ruled that cities that were limiting housing because they want to quote keep property values up, which means keep housing expensive. This was unconstitutional under the state constitution and so places like Torrance that used to keep

42:40real estate prices high by limiting development. We're now having apartments, condos and so on, going up everywhere. This will lead the traffic gems to be even worse than they already are. Yes. But at least the political power to keep property values high by limiting supply is no longer constitutional in California. Yeah, I mean, California is taking a number of steps in the last year or two because of the yes and my backyard kind of movement to liberalize buying homes like this has been quote ruling and then there was there's a bunch of legislation that was passed including legislation

43:41regarding downtowns of major cities. So there's a lot happening. There's a lot happening. But there's a massive backlog. So in spite of that, there's such a huge backlog in California in terms of lack of housing and it's still true that a lot of the slowdown in housing is not a consequence of the zoning but a consequence of environmental regulations, environmental what do you call it? Studies, I mean where I lived in Orange County, they were planning to build these massive gated communities all along a new highway they had built I think the 73 I think it was and or maybe the 241 anyway, they were going to build these massive new housing and everything and then you know, the environmentalists came in and and a court upheld the environmentalist objections to

44:47I don't know some snail or some some creature. So you know, there's always building in California and it doesn't ever seem to be enough but California's turn to corner. It really is being impacted much more by yes and my backyard kind of motivation and even the governor and Newsom is backed new laws that make it easier to build skyscrapers in downtown to build a much more denser residential development and there's a lot of there's a lot of reversals both partially from the court decision but also from the legislation to stop towns and trying to protect property values by restricting new building. So

45:52let's hope that they build enough. Let's hope that environmentalists don't manage to shut down more of this. I'm glad Torrance is seeing a boom. We'll see what happens to San Francisco and in the Bay Area which is a big issue. There is this plan for private city on the on the east bay across from San Francisco where private interest abroad a huge amount of land and they were going to build haven't seen anything recently about whether that is going to go ahead and and happen it it would reduce property prices I think in the Bay Area quite a bit because it would be massive mixed use development. Southern California again in Orange County it's primarily the environmentalists who are stopping it more than anybody else but yeah California is getting better. On this California is getting better unlike New York which is getting much worse so New York is getting worse California is getting better and it's still true that in most of the country prices are stable

46:58rent is going down and housing is more and more affordable because in most of the country disowning restrictions are very limited. Thanks Adam. Um, Um, Lyn. Yeah so just kind of related to my previous question around roll for government. Is there when it comes to wills powers of attorney and stuff like that? Would that that actually be something useful because I've at least in the jurisdiction I'm in you know there's no central registry for wills and I was just wondering if it would maybe help alleviate some of the issues with wills being contested and stuff where you say well this is the latest will this is the registry a record and so be it. And um I don't think we have a registry record in the United States I've never filed any of my wills that a right at a government entity I mean my lawyer has my latest copy I guess that he could be disputed if I wrote something down in a napkin and changed my mind but um, you know I don't know I'd have to think

48:06about that it seems um I mean the state does regulate wills in the sense that there's a standard format for them they have to cover certain things like all contracts there's a certain uh state requirements of what they look like and how they do it some states in the US will put a rico for example. Puerto Rico will not let you um Puerto Rico tells you how to allocate your resources when you die so you can't make choices so uh yes so you know according to Puerto Rican law unless you uh according to Puerto Rican law your state has to X amount has to go to your kids and Y amount has to go to your wife and all this stuff so they actually control that and I know a lot of countries have that so you have to you have to go through a whole legal procedure in order to to get your wishes actually respected uh wow okay luckily Puerto Rico will recognize in a state plan

49:10written in California California basically has no restrictions so my state plan is a California state plan so I can do what I want but in Puerto Rico will recognize that but if I just went based on Puerto Rico I'd be in trouble. So so if you live in Puerto Rico and you have no connection to California in terms of like physical nexus or anything can you can you still do that like have your well written. I don't know I don't know why I was allowed to write it in in California I I can't remember but I went to see a in a state lawyer here and uh we ultimately concluded that could do it in California I think because I already had one in California so I was just trying to revise it um but yeah it's it's complicated in in some of these states okay that's that's amazing so that's not what I was advocating um just a registry your advocating for just a registry of the latest copy. It's a registry that you know like if there's any you know like you don't have it dispute like you go here that's where you get the will but you could imagine a private company offering that service true and you don't even need you don't need need the government site I don't know

50:14uh do you know the government now has your will it it has access to it it's yeah it strikes me as dangerous I I would not succeed yeah better better they just tell you who you have to give your money to yeah many lawyers do wills but I would strongly advise given that wills are are sometimes challenged have your will prepared by an attorney who specializes in challenging wills and defending against challenges to wills because if that's her specialty she would know how to write the will that's less subject to the challenges that are encountered in the courts yeah it's not a bad way to find that yeah probably I mean um if you if certainly if you have a fear

51:15that you will might be challenged it's good to be prepared in advance um yeah okay thanks all right thanks sure you know Katherine Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high-fiving random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you needed a medical emergency kit these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection uti stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before you need them use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drug store at home when you're sick traveling or stranded you wish you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in

52:17minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue um okay I have a random question like what would you say is some advice because I'm feeling a little uninspired about the job like the job that I have and like kind of all the jobs and like going out on your own and doing something like I don't know like what's your advice on like finding a job that you love because my job is fine and it pays me well and I I'm good at it but I don't want to like settle and um I've tried I work in credit cards but I'm like a chief of staff but I'm a little bored like and sometimes in these big corporate companies it's kind of like political and who plays the games and like kisses the right you know and it's just can be a little frustrating and so I'm trying to figure

53:20out what I want to do with my career next like do you have any advice on like how you came to like your career or like trying different things or how to be more inspired with that I mean I think you you have to first be willing to take on risk and accept the fact that you you know to find I think your ideal job you're gonna have to take on some risk and it's not going to be as comfortable as safe as the existing job and then I think it involves a lot of inspecting in terms of what kind of job you want what what makes this job boring what kind of job you think would not be boring what are the skill sets that you have obviously finance but probably at this point I'll say management and and some other things you know so where would that where would all that fit is there a way for you to work for yourself that is could you become a kind of consultant or something like that is that something you'd want to do could you try it so I think it's a lot of introspection about what kind of job and what you want to do and then taking the plunge and

54:24leaving this job and going on the job market or starting your own business and seeing how it goes and you can always go back into the job market if if self-employment is not what you want or you're not enjoying it so yeah or like starting something on the side now while I have my job see how it goes yeah I mean if you have the time and you have the resources to do that it's not conflicting with some contract you have with your employer then yes I mean that would be a nice way to transition but but yeah so having more than one job is a good way to figure out what you like and what you don't like and and what are the risks that are involved so starting something on the side makes a lot of sense I think what I don't like is like kind of involves risk in the sense that I feel like in the corporate world a lot of people and like I do well at my job and like I'm smart but I feel like the people that get ahead are the people who maybe don't take risks and like are the people who kind

55:29of like playing a game well and it's not necessarily the people who are like I have this great idea like we should do this and it's not really the people that get ahead it's like hard to explain yeah I mean I think that I think there's a lot of there's a lot of politics in in particularly large corporations and if you know one way to avoid that is to get out of there and you know find a FinTech startup and go work for for for start up that would be fun and exciting and you could use your your financial skills and and your management skills so I wouldn't it wouldn't just be stop my own thing it could be go I mean New York is filled with FinTech startups go find somebody who's doing some exciting work yeah and you might you probably take a salary hit but you'd get stocks and stuff like that and but it would be more fun so yeah I can I can tell you for somebody who's done kind of corporate and his own thing and failed at many things too you know it's

56:36exciting is scary at times it can be quite uplifting but it can be very disappointing also you know so I think for me the key was to have your expectations match what you're doing also like if you if you go to a startup like you're going to lose all of that support stuff that you might be used to in corporate environment and it's easy to say intellectually but what it actually happens is when you notice it and things things like that so yeah I'm just tired of the red like my friend just got fired at our job because she sent an email from her work email to her personal email and it wasn't even like a sensitive email and then another girl got fired for allegedly stealing a candy bar from it's just like there's like a lot of like really silly stuff and it's like that ends up mattering more than like how smart and talented yards like how much you comply with these tiny little well the email stuff if you look at the penalties banks are paid yeah for

57:39exactly that stupid emails that they sent to their personal address you can understand a company firing them so you know this is a big deal for these companies not because they care but because they regulate this care and and the regulators will just they'll just ask you for your emails they'll take an AI and they'll scan everything and they'll see an email go for your professional to your personal and that's it that's a hundred million dollar fine right there on the company because of that I mean they've been big high profile cases where that's exactly what's happened so I get why the company is upset about that and doesn't matter what the content is zero matters really yeah I've seemed crazy to me it's crazy this is regulations yeah because like she's so smart and so talented like she went to Harvard like and I'm just like but they don't it's not even about and they don't evaluate you as a person at all it's just like now when it comes to you violating some regulation that the government has been placed I mean we used to get I mean I

58:39in my head front we had I'm marketing the regulations that that guided I'm marketing with 300 pages long and so you you can never read it all so you just didn't do anything innovative you just you just shut down exactly that's my point it's because it's so risk averse yeah because they're so worried but that's finance but they worry more about that than like how much talent you could bring to their company because the talent will never generate hundreds of millions but you could get find hundreds of millions of dollars for violations of the stupid regulations but that's what's bothering me right now in life and my job so and then another girl I know got fired because she cussed to the like she called her private health insurance about something and she cussed to them and then they sent the recording to her boss and she got so I'm just there's these crazy things that are happening and I'm just like it's all so here anyway so I would I would definitely look at a change I you know and I don't I don't think you should settle I don't think you should just

59:42accept this stuff I agree with Amla it's scary and sometimes disappointing but you got it try it you only live once I mean yeah you've got it you've got to take you've got to take the leap and and try something but Catherine I would say if you're expecting to go into a startup and have no politics and probably we have to be disappointed I'd love to work for myself eventually or just some environment where I can like make decisions that I know are right and just move on with them okay but you're gonna be working for somebody right I know I know I think also I don't want to I'm just I'm just saying if you if you go into you know like I've done that too right I was doing private consulting for my former employer and stuff and then I joined a small startup we're less than 20 people I had two years of politics that I had to like really hardcore politics that I had to make and I hate that stuff for I was able to help maneuver the company to fire those people yeah so you know so don't don't don't you're always going to be have somebody you're going to be

1:00:46dealing with it's just and all that stuff and and I will still say don't settle take risk exactly yeah I mean all that's true but don't you know take the risk and see what happens you might you might get lucky you know you might fall into a great environment you might not so but if you you know you're unhappy where you are that's a gift so you don't work to import I'm bored yeah yeah okay sorry thank you all sure right Enwick any predictions on what will happen after November 3rd I you know I don't know I mean I think Democrats will win the House they might win the Senate which will be pretty amazing I mean it would be pretty shocking put it that way if they win the Senate because they shouldn't I mean not not not if you look at the map but people are really unhappy with the Trump administration so there's a good chance uh by the way I don't believe you should vote Democratic no matter what I agree with Adam you have

1:01:48to look at the candidates I mean if you're in Michigan I don't think you can vote for this Democrat running for the Senate in Michigan you know you you you've got to have some minimal threshold standards of people you will not vote for and as Adam said if they're anti-Semitic or socialist or whatever you you can't vote for them and then the question is can you vote for the other guy but I think the Democrats will set out to to make to make it as as much hell as possible for Trump probably impeachments they probably they won't succeed in the Senate but they'll they'll tie up the House with constant constant you know impeachments stuff I think that'll then we'll see some government shutdowns we'll see all this kind of stuff and you know it it'll probably backfire in Democrats because I don't think that's why they're being elected I don't think that they're going to be elect you know that they're making people what they want

1:02:50is for them to you know just engage in partisan harassment but um what what do the American people want they don't know what they want they don't want at this point they don't want Trump but they don't know what they do one in this stead um I mean I mean what a groups want generally I mean but even individuals what do they want they don't know what they want but right now they want to send a message that they're not happy with Trump what they would like is interstates to come down what they would like is inflation to go to zero uh what they would like is their income to increase and are they are they willing to tolerate the things that would be required in order to achieve that no so are they willing to they want government to spend less money but they don't want anything cut they want to pay less taxes but they don't want anything cut uh so yeah I mean they they want a lot of contradictory things that don't make any sense

1:03:51uh so my prediction is you know the democrats will win again certainly the house maybe the senate and then Trump won't fight it I mean he'll talk a lot about stolen elections and all that but he won't send the troops out in the streets so the election will go through uh new Congress will be put in place Trump will freak out by doing a bunch of executive orders and by passing Congress altogether he'll try to ignore a lot of what Congress does and there'll be two years of complete and utter mayhem you know if you thought the last two years were crazy the next two years are going to be insane because it's going to be this this tug of war between him and the democrats I there no winners out of this everybody's a loser um but you know I guess it has to happen because uh uh republicans have to at some point suffer the consequences of uh of their choices

1:04:52well at the end but where's the end result of that I mean it doesn't seem like it's going to be anything that it can be anything positive no I don't see anything positive well I mean the positive thing is maybe JD Vance is not electable there's a consequence but isn't it still like 30 percent of americans think Trump is doing a great job yeah 30 percent will vote for Trump no matter what so the question is can they get out of the 20 21 okay but it no it's it's what's the end game the end game is things are going to get worse and uh the question only question is at what speed and uh how how how bad and how fast who you know what were the democrats learned from this cycle who will they nominate as a presidential candidate in 2028 what were republicans learned from it who will they nominate for 20 28 you know all of that is going to be up for grabs in the next two years while I think the country is going to be a mess

1:05:56at the same time all right Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high-fiving random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you needed a medical emergency kit these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions use for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection uti stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before you need them use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drugstore at home when you're sick traveling or stranded you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue

1:07:02let's see ilia where do you recommend someone start with developing an exercise routine any books what made you switch from a once a week high intensity workout to daily routine I mean a couple of things one one thing made you switch is that the once a week routine you need special equipment for it and that equipment doesn't exist in Puerto Rico so I had to switch to something and and then I met Tom my trainer and then the other thing was the more I read the more I realized that the once a week routine certainly did not solve my you know solve the what you call it the cardio issue that you need you need a train your cardiovascular system separate from building muscle and and that requires actual different type of work than what the once a week routine had

1:08:02and that requires a lot more work I mean the book I like I still like it is p.d.t.s book because I think it's I forget the name of it but if you look up p.d.t. you'll find it because it's um everything he says in that book strikes me as reasonable I mean I'm not expert but he seems to be approaching the issues the right way he seems to be basing it on scientific fact and and uh you know so the idea is you want to build muscle and you want to build your cardiovascular you want to maximize your viewer to max which is your your ability to absorb oxygen that requires that requires really hard cardio work so you know I don't have any particular book other than the p.d.t.t.s book and then I have a train up personal trainer because I wouldn't know how to structure like the routines and how to particularly in terms of weightlifting how to structure it as to not to do yourself harm

1:09:05and yet build muscle so I've got a personal trainer he's on zoom um you know so we can do it from wherever I'm traveling he's in England I you know I'm in Puerto Rico we can do it anytime from anywhere so it's it's super convenient but uh so uh yeah find a personal trainer I mean the tons of personal trainers out there most of them know what they're doing and uh I would I would definitely part of the problem of exercise is motivation um and if you hire a personal trainer and you've got money on the line that provides super motivation you've got a schedule I'm you know I book to see him at 8 a.m. in the morning I can't sleep in because I made a commitment so you so you go whereas if you don't have a personal trainer you're supposed to do it at 8 a.m. it's too easy oh I'm tired today today's not a good day I'm gonna sleep in so make a commitment in one way to make a commitment is spend money so I say get a personal trainer all right let's say

1:10:10James uh to follow up on your comments about the UK customer service yesterday I mean to man just and live a poor and booming him and the customer service was just as good as London London is like a mix of the best elements of New York City and Boston there's something about British culture that's so civilized and elegant that we don't have in America the enlightenment and industrial evolution began there for a reason I mean yes and no so I'm gonna disagree with you James in this sense I mean I haven't been to Manchester and Liverpool so I can't comment I beat other places around the UK but not really engaging customer service related activities I remember London in the 70s and in the early 80s and customer service sucked I mean sucked is an understatement it was horrible and terrible you walked into a store in London and they would go what do you want socialism destroyed whatever benevolence existed in the UK so it's not any

1:11:13inherent in the UK it comes from I think it comes from basic from capitalism from from competition from from a certain attitude about taking responsibility for your own life which disappeared from England in the 60s and 70s and customer service in in in London was awful really really bad and that changed with that you that you changed that completely she changed the attitude of the Brits she changed that customer service I remember going to London in the 90s already and it was so different than what I'd experienced earlier than that right from what I experienced in the in the late 70s or even in the in the mid 80s and I think it's improved since then and I think it has to do a lot with what we talked about yesterday it has to do with first of all thatcher and the change and the mental change that was going on I think it also has to do with with immigration London is this incredible melting part of immigrants at least some immigrants some immigrants that won't

1:12:17melt and there were a problem but but most do participate and I think they bring a real ambition to it so it's a it's a mixture of things but it's not inherent in the British culture to have great customer service as because under under the social interests of the 60s and 70s they didn't but I mean you could feel the thatcher revolution just in people's attitudes just like Reagan changed America you know at least in a short run for the better in the sense that people became a lot more benevolent a lot more optimistic a lot more positive about the world and and you could really sense that you could really feel that with Reagan and that was true of thatcher as well you do sense when you're in London or in the UK you're on that they're back sliding quite fast you don't sense it in London in central London you don't sense an essential London at all

1:13:20I mean it was more crowded this time than ever I think there just a ton of tourists yeah huge numbers of people out in the streets the luxury stores are packed I mean my hotel my hotel the the room rates last minute room rates at my hotel were going for for about a thousand pounds a night wow okay and it was sold out there was not a room in the hotel available right and it's not the fanciest hotel in London by far right so it's it's a W hotel you know it's a nice brand but it's not like the you know the the doorchester or the fancy British hotels where it's way over a thousand pounds so there is there is a there is money now the money might be just tourists but that creates economic activity in London it means the stores are full it means the hotels are full

1:14:27it means local brits are benefiting from all this all this activity and I you know I I didn't this time talked a lot of you know in the past I would talk to investors and others in England I didn't this time but I don't get no I don't get this sense there's still construction going on everywhere in London has like New York and San Francisco as a real real estate a rent problem although prices have stabilized because a lot of millionaires particularly are leaving so the data suggest is in decline right the data suggest millionaires are leaving there's a massive exodus of millionaires and billionaires from the UK the largest ever a lot of that is because the UK was a tax haven for a lot of them and that's gone the tax haven status is gone so they're leaving there's now talk about a wealth tax and so people I talk to were like yeah we're gonna leave if the wealth tax comes we're leaving right so so it's definitely in decline but you don't feel in

1:15:34the streets of London so I'm not your way you would feel it but somewhere all right Charles what says you routinely exercise your body but do you have any exercises for the mind I have a 3D maze puzzle called perplexus which is rather effective I don't need a puzzle I have you guys I have this show I mean this is you asking me questions from pretty much 360 degrees in terms of topics from all over the place having to analyze the news every day keeping up with the news every day so no that is my mind exercises the work that I do which is and you guys keeping me keeping my my tiptoes and calling me when I make a mistake that is my that is my exercise

1:16:35right not you have a jalgo with them by the way all these are 50 bucks so thank you thank you guys did you watch Bill Gates interview with Ezra Klein about AI it was such a ridiculous risk of version and let I thinking if Microsoft have been subject to a fraction of the regulations he is advocating for AI it would never have gotten anyway yes I mean I did watch it and you know I think what Bill Gates is trying to do is kind of to align somewhere between the the the crazy um do mewism of of the CEO of anthropic and open AI and the kind of attitude to some extent I've expressed which is well I mean let the victims sue sue the companies if if there's damage

1:17:36and one of the things he points out in interview which I think you know is correct in the sense of this is how we got the modern regulatory state is well I mean we don't allow that in any other field we have regulations on everything in America to prevent not just catastrophic losses but to prevent losses uh and so why should an AI qualify as well so what what Bill Gates is really doing here is he's presenting the kind of conventional view of regulation regulation is supposed to be preventive there are real risks here potential risks here that are real and therefore the government should regulate just like it regulates every other business now of course you know my attitude towards regulation I think we shouldn't be government shouldn't be regulating or at least uh it it should be regulating only those things that have uh clear and objective risks associated with

1:18:37them risks to the individual rights of people I think he is right in one sense that is to the extent that these models can violate rights and they clearly can't they can violate rights in the sense of breaking into um to your property your website your uh you know your databases they can violate rights by providing information how to build very very nasty weapon systems to bad guys it does make sense for the government to clarify these issues that is the government should come out and say here's what violating rights constitutes when it comes to AI you know if they if they break into another company their company has they can pursue legal action against you even if there's no

1:19:38economic damage just breaking in is unacceptable so i a burglar breaks into your house and then leaves without taking anything you don't say oh well you didn't take anything so that's okay no i mean it still goes to jail so they have to be consequences to to these actions and the government could legitimize so if i take the most benevolent view of Bill Gates which i don't think is justified in this case i think he's just the middle of the world a mixed economy uh uh a pro regulation guy i would say that yes the government needs to be involved in clearly defining what constitutes rights violation and uh uh instructing the companies to make sure that their models don't engage in that activity Adam you have your hand up yes um you're an art collector and you used to live in orange county um i have a sculpture by my favorite sculptor Louis Lee Rohn i know she's not your favorite

1:20:45but um the sculpture i have uh is one of her better ones but not really as good as one that has come on the market right now and i did on the new one which i think will be not better um and then i will need to sell the lesser one um who is there in this area orange county and southern Los Angeles county um who would be a good gallery to resell as culture well i don't know i don't know if galleries resell because i mean there's some decent galleries in Laguna Beach uh which exhibit good art and uh but i don't know if they do resells i don't know if they do like uh unconsignment which is what you're suggesting um so i don't know who does

1:21:49consignment kind of work uh the alternative of course is to put it up on eBay or uh you know you can find some amazing sculptures on eBay uh and there is uh i think there is quite an active market there there's also antique stores but this isn't an antique piece so um yeah i i i don't know and and orange county has some good galleries down on Laguna Beach those are the only good galleries i know of and then uh in if you want to go further south uh on in uh la hoia in San Diego county there's some good galleries in la hoia but i do not know if they sell pieces by consignment great thank you sure all right uh i'm glad yeah sorry about um have you seen this uh korean series tq a lesson that you wanted to heard no i haven't it's it's a really interesting series i mean there's a there's that kind of uh i mean the premise is it starts off in the first episode they're talking

1:22:52about bullying and basically this guy who goes in from the uh the ministry to deal with it so there's a kind of a revenge or justice aspect to it but the rest of the series they they talk about different issues in korean schools and i did some research on it and uh it seems like a lot of those issues are actually quite quite realistic and one one thing i just found really fascinating was i mean i thought education in schools were bad in north america but if if there's some truth any of this stuff it's really bad like in terms of bullying or how parents or uh how teachers are mistreated and things like that so if you if you want to i think you would find it quite an interesting series oh i teach you a lesson i'll look into it um yeah and i'd be curious that like if you ever watch it i'd be curious to hear just what you think about it okay i was kind of watching it and it's saying like okay this can't be real and i think that the asian asia school did you know

1:23:54have real problems of of you know overly ambitious parents who manage their kids and bully the teachers and i think all of that is real um and uh they still do better in math and reading than american kids so um but i but i thought these were cultures that kind of venerate at the elderly and the teachers and all that and and from what i've just seen in this what i mean okay there's a parents doing it but at least that the students were you know i think i think the i think the cultures have changed a lot i think i think the korean cultures changed a lot um it's become a lot more cynical i mean the fact that they have tv shows that actually portray these things and have values and stuff suggest they some goodness in the culture but uh there is a cynicism you know they're not having kids which i think is always an indication of something something weird going on i mean literally no kids they're not getting married they're not having sex

1:24:55um so so by all surveys they have a very very little kind of their personal lives they work longer hours than pretty much anybody else um so you know there's obviously some good in the culture but there's some real issues there as well okay okay well yeah okay i like i said i'd be i'd be curious to hear what your thoughts are on and if you watch it okay about schools my granddaughter uh attend guide post montessori which is very good in individualizing montessori to the uh abilities of the individual student and they also follow their students to where the students go next so if you have a child or grandchild and there is a guide post montessori near you i very strongly recommend them for at

1:26:03least those reasons and many others cool uh thanks Adam uh Katherine um what do you uh speak a little bit about the Cornell seven thing yeah i mean i haven't dug into it and it looks like digging into it requires going down a real rabbit hole because there's there's so much there's so much there from what i understand and i'm you know and you have to be really careful here because i don't know how much we actually know for what i understand is a real conflicting information about what exactly happened um so one interpretation is uh these guys basically drugged uh this girl and and then gang raped uh basically seven guys uh raped this girl you know and and and it's you know and if if if that's the story then it's simple right it's it's horrific

1:27:05and they should go to jail and it's just disgusting and awful but it you know but there is but it's at this point it's just hard to tell because supposedly after the fact um she didn't think she was raped she didn't believe she was raped she had put supposedly there's one story here that says that she participated in this uh consensually and um changed the story at some point after she was uh you know uh harassed and uh what they call it slut shame something like that you know where where they she was called names and everything and she changed the story and and argued that she was raped um i don't know what happened so so you know somebody asked to investigate this uh it supposedly Cornell investigated it and decided not to pursue it and now we got right essays what's that so i have i think that the fur you said too i think the first part happened then they

1:28:11have like text messages of being like there's free you know what in like this room she's passed out like all this there's like all this evidence and then Cornell basically had the guys write essays saying like they which is like is that the punishment and then it's like yeah it hears me if that's the reality then it's disgusting and and these guys should really be punished for it um um yeah i mean we we will see we've got an attorney we've got the new attorney general and i'll look into this so we will i think we'll ultimately get the facts out there um and and and find out exactly i mean the other thing is these guys are so disgusting right i mean talk about shaming people these guys at the very least even if they even if it was consensual let's let's just make they're disgusting even if it was this consensual these guys should be ashamed of themselves um in in terms of what they were doing uh and you know it's yet to be determined and if if they are

1:29:16in the text messages she's passed out come and do this i mean that's that's how we're thick and disgusting and they should that's rape right there's no question that is rape in that case and and they should all be they should all be prosecuted for rape so we will find out i think um we will find out what's actually hopefully there'll be a trial and and the evidence will come out and we'll find out exactly what happened and these kids will be punished for what they did uh but yeah it's i find it if i don't understand cornell in the sense that you know there's been such a backlash right about this i mean over the years right the the the premise has been um to believe the to believe the woman and not to believe the guys so what happened to cornell that they flipped on that in the way that they did um yeah the whole thing is is weird we think that the

1:30:20premise is usually to believe the women over the men it has been um more recently it wasn't originally right so i think at some point because of walk and because of of their attitude on campuses and because of title one of the titles title nine or whatever they flipped on it right and they made it so that men the you had approved your innocence and uh rather than they had approved your guilt so there was a period in which men were i think prosa prosa prosa kid is that the right one i think that we have a discriminated against yeah i feel like men have had a lot of privilege and i think that's certainly true in the past that is in the past i don't think anybody took great seriously what's that i think they just have been starting to be held accountable more i think they being held accountable but in colleges without due process yes so uh so you have to wait you have to

1:31:21find the right balance you have to find a system of justice and uh and and figure out what actually happens and and then uh you know prosecute the people for what they actually do so for many many you know forever men have gotten away with rape and and worse um without without being punished i thought in campuses this swung the other way but this and cornell suggest that no i mean they're still getting away with it you remember the stanford rape case this was like 2016 the guy but that was the i'm sorry he served three months for good behavior and that was it and she was passed out and they had like i witnesses of him raping her so it just feels like there is a bit of i mean i grew up with a lot of privilege but i do think there is a lot of privilege like if your parents are wealthy their donors they have good lawyers and you go to good school and like they can just kind of stop on their list i think the 2016 was the turning point because of the absurdity of all that and the and the amount of national press it got i thought that campuses had gone the other way

1:32:25maybe i was wrong um after after the stanford case but you know again we'll see what happens with this case it's certainly it's if if this if it turns out that this was rape and all cornell did was give them essays to write then then you know it's there has to be some repercussions to whoever cornell made that decision i think it's hard when our president is who he is and like well i mean yes that's that's generally that's that's generally true i agree with you completely yes but no absolutely like i think i mean i don't know what the Epstein files are all released but it's tough when he's like all that's going on and he's the president and then it's like i feel like the accountability when it filters down everyone's like less good people he's being accused of rape he's me not and he's been civilly found civilly liable for rape not criminally but civilly liable for

1:33:25rape i forget the name of the woman Carol or something Carol and yet he's still got elected yeah exactly go go figure white people vote for for somebody like that so if you're like in a leadership role at like cornell or something i don't know it just doesn't inspire people to act right when your leader of the free world is like i think that's right but you but but people at universities you know tend to be more much more left-wing and tend to be much more anti-trump so i don't know why they would be i i don't know but but but yeah if it turns out that this is what really happened then it's it's about as disgusting as it gets thank you yeah but but yes no i mean from that from that audio tape where he was talking about grabbing women i mean why a person like that how a person like that could get elected president of the United States is beyond me and has been beyond me since 2016 i i never understood it

1:34:28and uh i said especially given all the values voters right that voted for yeah these are the values voters these are the people who told book lynching that it's all about character it's you know it's strange yeah yeah it's the same people yeah i don't get it i really don't sometimes i really try and understand it and i really do and i just can't well people for for a variety of reasons people with desperate and still are desperate they they want changed they they know whatever's going on right now in the country sucks it's wrong they want something different they want a change and and and and they got caught up in him being the change agent i think a lot of people are regretting that right now but they got caught up in that and they were willing to give me my past and all this stuff in order to bring about this change that was going to come about but it's unthinking um it required unthinking it required you know suspension of

1:35:29of reason and rationality uh in to believe uh and and to and to trust somebody with his kind of character yeah and calmer wasn't the best but yeah and of course you've always got the alternative which is pretty bad that's that's what you hear though right i think i have a cousin of mine he's a doctor in Rhode Island so he's not a stupid guy yeah and i had a big argument with him about Trump and he's just like what about Kamala what about Kamala Kamala would have done this works yeah but but they say that the only discussion was and at some point it was that of course he threw out the TDS at me which i almost hit him yeah yeah so the i word and thing is that Kamala had been a very strict law and order attorney general she was she was she surprised people because she ran a pretty leftist campaign and then when she was attorney general she was big law and order she was pro death penalty which she had run against the death penalty so um you know who knows what Kamala

1:36:31would have done and on a lot of issues she would have been worse than Trump but it still would have been good for the country to say no to Trump that that's been my point the whole time you got to say no at some point you gotta say at some point character does matter and the level of his it's just yeah i agree yeah so i'm gonna i'm gonna watch the Cornell case and see as the evidence comes out what exactly the evidence is um but like most Trump about it and he said and but then all the comments were funny because i was like you can't ask someone about it who's like the leader of the group chat because there was like 52 men in a group chat that were all talking about this like woman who has passed out and then they asked Trump about it and he was like oh well like he basically was like i don't know sorry i'll just stop talking but i just like he's so bad that it somehow is cascading and affecting like yeah i'm sure it's affecting young men that is they are

1:37:32susceptible to this there's no question that young men affected by Trump they want to be like him they want to emulate because he is president so it's it's it's there's no question it's affecting people i'm surprised that it's affecting administrators at top universities but you know they're worried about their funding maybe maybe like the frat the frat i think it's specifically the fraternity culture yep all right not you have a juggle with them are there more missing links out there than you would expect in a post-einwend world there are eight billion people in the planet and you have 43,700 subscribers it suggests most of humanity is quite mindless outside of their working environment you know again i i i i don't like to assume that if you don't listen to the one book show on a regular basis and subscribe you are mindless i think that is unbelievably arrogant and and and

1:38:33absurd there are people out there in the world doing amazing things i mean really amazing things and technology and science and engineering and a lot of different realms now that is maybe the realm of work that people you know achieving great things and taking care of themselves and that there are people out there who are happy in spite of not listening to your own book show so i wouldn't take my subscribers as the test there are a lot of people who are missing link i don't think i don't think i'm and solves that because if you read i'm and you're one of those missing links that is you're not willing to conceptualize beyond a certain point then i'm as i'm going to convince you so it's already too late and this is why it all boils down to education education education and the earlier you start the better the earlier you get a proper education the more likely it is that you could not become one of the missing links and choose to become something different so

1:39:38you know i wouldn't uh i wouldn't attribute i wouldn't just write off all of humanity because they haven't read i and ran because they don't take i and ran seriously there's a lot of goodness out there a lot the world would stop working if there wasn't and if they're rational and hyper rational i mean hyper fully rational at work then some of them must be rational you know in the rest of their lives as well so they don't get politics politics is only one aspect of life Frank what is happening in France it's pure nihilism yeah i mean it's it's hard to tell exactly what's happening in France like a lot of these things but i think that it started out with some small scale student demonstrations about uh i don't know not having a conditioning in the classroom and the classroom is getting really really hot and having long hours and you know the public servants

1:40:41that work uh work that are working at the schools are probably not doing the greatest of jobs and it has been picked up by the nihilist elements among the students and now their riots going on in hundreds of schools and it is you know their fires they're putting stuff on fire and it's just an opportunity for teenagers to run them up and that's exactly what's going on and add to that the the social you know unrest that exist in France kind of under the surface uh has existed for a long time uh the fact that there are you know all these neighborhoods in the outskirts of places like uh Paris and much of morsay and other places that you know the police are afraid to enter in that uh uh uh uh basically uh run by Islamists or parts of them are run by Islamists or gangs or whatever you add or and and France has riots every few months years

1:41:49uh and they burn stuff down when they lose a football match when they win a football match and in between they write it i think uh this is just young people you know going crazy and and being spurred on by nihilistic elements within France uh somebody says this is so versus lock yeah this is this is who so it could even be if you want to make it internal to France is who so versus Voltaire or so versus Dydro or so versus the Enlightenment this is who so versus the French Enlightenment who so is anti Enlightenment who so is basically this ultimately uh aniseless so uh it's it's pure nihilism and this is all in preparation for Marie Le Pen winning next next year so uh the left will freak out and and there'll be riots in the streets again when she wins NYK any chance you're moving to the new capital of ejectivism in Austin, Texas

1:42:50being here Austin almost a year for New York City happy with it so far and very excited about the center going up uh not leaving Puerto Rico anytime soon who knows who I'll land up ultimately um but probably here for another i don't know what six years eight years something like that so uh we we will we will see so uh um but yeah Austin's a great place to live if you can tolerate the summers it is a great place to live and uh it's definitely on my list of places uh in terms of uh where I would want to live if I did not live in Puerto Rico all right we'll do uh one more round with our panel and we'll call it a night uh Adam um yes one thing that I noticed about um schools in america they're controlled by local boards of education and if the local population

1:44:00is heavily asian um as is happening in torrents as is happening in the northern suburbs of phoenix where japanese and korean companies are building factories so they're inside this state for tariff's um and they're importing many engineers and those people when they become citizens and even if they don't they influence their neighbors uh there are some very good curricula for k-12 sing up for math which is actually goes way beyond math it includes science and language um and the uh international baccalaureate curriculum and local school board can choose good

1:45:01curricula they're available and as long as you have the right voters they either vote in boards of education that support good curricula yeah i think that's right i think it's one of the advantages the american system has of of having uh education localized and not federalized and one of the real evils federalizing education and which i think ultimately there will probably be a favor right now they're very much in favor of school choice but i think they're going to move towards much more central like control of education is the danger that that everybody is under one system and that system's not going to be good we can almost guarantee that it won't be very good so uh yes in the u.s. not only do we have more school choice but we also have school boards that can under certain circumstances put together really good curricula in some american schools are a decent um as a consequence right umlin so this might be too big a question for that the end

1:46:07of the show but if you wanted to lay it that's fine we can talk about it next time but you you've had a few episodes where you've talked to a masculinity and femininity and one of the things that you said on those episodes if i recall or a few times was you know how Steve Jobs can be an example of proper masculinity i guess if you want to call it that maybe and i guess my question would be though is if i look at something like Jobs how is it like how would you differentiate masculinity femininity like you can have a woman that has exactly those same characteristics can be you know the same genius in terms of leading and all those things like what would what would be the difference other than the physical physical difference well i mean i would say that if a woman exhibited that those are masculine characteristics the women sometimes have that is a masculinity is not equal male and femininity is not equal female you can you can have we are and most of us have a little bit of of each and uh and the masculinity is that ability to lead to inspire um to to execute

1:47:17um and to task high standards and demanding of other people it it's an orientation towards change you know kind of changing the world building stuff creating stuff and women can have that and and they do i just think there's a reason why i mean the many reasons why but but it could be why men seem to gravitate towards more leadership positions than women because the the more masculine or generally more masculine um but yeah good is this the case where then our language is perhaps not setting the right exit because i think if if we're communicating to a wider wider audience i mean people would generally equate masculinity with male femininity with female but when you say characteristics like okay leadership and all these things are masculine versus feminine that we're just based on kind of the way i would have understood those words it just it seems

1:48:21kind of weird but you know that there are a lot of men that you would say exhibit feminine characteristics but then what is a feminine and masculine characteristic and why are we using the terminology of masculine and feminine to describe characteristics like that instead of something that's perhaps a little and maybe more neutral yeah maybe it's not maybe it's not the best and and maybe but but masculine is the orientation towards changing physical reality changing the world out there the orientation towards the world and both men and women can have it and particularly in a world and and this is where i think the world is changing particularly in a world where changing the world around us requires thinking versus requires physical action correct both men and women can exhibit it but you know you know according to again ran defined femininity as hero worship as

1:49:23as the looking up to the male it's an orientation towards another not towards reality and masculinity the orientation towards reality towards changing physical reality physical towards nature um but you know again exactly how that plays out i you know i don't know i don't have a theory of masculine femininity i'm you know this requires a you know real psychology is to figure this out but the point i was making with Steve Jobs was masculinity is usually associated with physical strength right with Conan the barbarians he's he's a masculine and in in that world that's what masculine he meant it meant physical strength because that's what it required to survive and that's what was required in order to change physical reality in a world in which the the the actual

1:50:23changing the world out there changing reality it does not require muscle but requires reason that makes the sex as much more equal in terms of the ability to change the world out there and i would say that you know dagini for example can be very feminine and can be very masculine she has both characteristics in her right she's she's masculine when she's running the railroad she's feminine you know and she's dressing up and um and um you know uh uh uh in her relationship particularly doing sex with the male and look feminine masculinity probably expresses itself more in sex than in anything else you know actual conduct under sex okay i it just it seems to me that if we're trying to change minds but these words are so loaded that

1:51:24you know i think trying to like i'm having a hard time actually make the leap though what you're saying and i'm trying struggling with that i can imagine that somebody who hasn't been exposed to the thing i think it makes complete sense to struggle with it because it's hard it's complicated and we're living through and have lived through the last 50 years or a little bit more than 50 years 60 years a real change a real change in the nature of work it's become more an issue of the mind and a real change in in the world of women and i think as part of that these are concepts that have to be rethought and that rethinking is going to be hot and it's going to be complicated there's no simple way around it uh they are sudden traits that are associated historically with with with with men but that you know women have and uh and and therefore that has to be taken into account yeah those are think you're on um it's interesting that Rand had this very firm view of

1:52:30you know masculinity and femininity although i mean she's going to great detail about it explicitly but she was so before her time like you know there were she would took pride in the fact that readers would write her fan letters saying mr. Rand because they assumed she was a man they stunned her rationality you know and that didn't make her insecure or uncomfortable in any way she was proud of that but at the same time she was very quick to say you know she wouldn't be comfortable with the woman president and she had certain very firm ideas about kind of the sexual distinction between men and women uh but she but she had a you know dagony as the vice president of the the railroad so she was very much a modern person but not a feminist so to have femininity meant the ability to look up to someone to to to to to to to in in in this case

1:53:31to a man to look up to some man right i mean she says this in in the problem with the president and being female is that woman wouldn't have anybody to look up to so you know that that is what femininity meant to her that did not mean you couldn't be proficient in in everything else but you know i think that a lot of this relates to the bedroom and less to a day-to-day activities that is uh at the core it's it's a it's an issue of that relates to sex okay i mean would it she look up to then in that regard i mean well i mean she looked up to i mean she would argue she'd look she looked up to a husband so uh husband was not equal intellectually but she still looked up to him that is he was he was a you know i you'd have to ask her exactly why

1:54:33but but she viewed it as looking up to and she also looked up to John Gold that is she created fictional characters that she could look up to right um and you know if you think about Dagnie i mean it's hard to imagine anybody better than Dagnie and yet ran create somebody for her right to to look up to which is gold so um but yeah it's it's it's it's a tricky concept and it's a psychological concept not a philosophical one and uh i don't know that our knowledge of uh of psychology is good enough uh to be able to completely undo this and it's wrapped up in um you know with cultural norms and all the cultural norms that exist out there about what a man is and what a woman is and what masculinity is and what femininity is yeah yeah i think i think that's

1:55:33the struggle that i'm having you're on right is that the the the expectations that we the cultural norm as you say around these words of masculinity femininity and then at the same time we're trying to argue that well okay you know men and women can have these great traits that are called masculinity and these are positive traits and etc etc just it seems like a really challenging kind of way to have this very important topic and out there in the discussion. I don't I don't see how you can get away with it because i mean even if you ignore femininity and masculinity i mean you've got a number of things going on you've got one men and women are different right they are different there's something you know the fact that they are physiologically different i think implies that there are real differences in terms of a psychology women are weaker men are stronger women have a period men do not i mean there's a bunch of stuff that just happens that makes us psychologically different so there's something fundamentally different between men

1:56:37and women and yet when it comes to the important things in life that you know if if reason is man's basic means of survival they're not different in the application of reason reason is reason is reason it doesn't matter so they're the same in that regard and then when so one has to figure out how to differentiate between what they're alike and what and where they are alike and where they are different and and and how to think about those things that are alike and things are different is so there's a different psychological orientation between men and women that results from the physiology that the physiology is different the hormones are different you know we get we get you know the testosterone they get estrogen that that makes a difference but it doesn't make a difference when it comes to our capacity to reason so and in a world in which reason plays more and more of a role in literal survival in day-to-day survival the difference between men and women in most practical senses disappear but there still is a difference and that difference is yeah

1:57:45yeah but then like I mean if we're having a discussion about okay what's a positive trait and what what are negative traits and stuff like that and why why does the the gender or the sex aspect come into it I mean isn't it isn't it the same as we we say okay skin color right like okay we have a CEO no because because we do recognize that there are fundamental differences between men and women right but at the same time what you're saying about understanding correctly is that in many realms those differences are irrelevant that's right and in many realms we shouldn't care about sex so so when you're hiring somebody what you care about is their ability to do the job and to the extent that that job requires rational thinking not heavy lifting then it shouldn't matter if you're having a man a man a woman that's right so if but if we're hiring somebody and we're saying okay we want them to have masculine characteristics given the cultural norm well but I would

1:58:46never say that so I would never say I want my high-at-ab masculine characteristics you know but you would say you want you know so I don't know I don't know what the context of the masculine characteristics would be right right so it's it's it's it's masculinity and femininity and that's something that in practice oh you know particularly the again the most psychological you know you you can look at a woman and say she's very feminine why what what makes a feminine um and you know and you can look at a man and say you know he he's masculine and think about what makes a masculine and what I'm saying is what makes a masculine is his orientation towards the world out there and is is leadership skills is a certain presence that he has and what makes somebody feminine is

1:59:49who who are dressing up and making herself attractive to I mean when is that any feminine at the parties when she's dressed up with you know and and so so those are the concepts and you know my corrective about Steve Jobs is just it's not about his ability to kill a bunch of people with a sword it's about his ability to use his mind to to produce great things that's what makes a masculine and uh but there's differences and also you're on the two things when you exist when you described kind of an admiration for Steve Jobs you also refer specifically to a context where he was giving those presentations at the rollout of some of these these these things um his products and I think in particular in that context he emitted a certain masculinity a certain control

2:00:53over what he was saying and a mastery and an ability to I mean I think I think umlons point is you could have a woman up there on stage to exactly the same thing and she would admit exactly the same thing would that be masculine though or without I don't know well that's the question right that's the question yeah but if masculinity is all those things that you mentioned Andrew then if a woman did it why wouldn't it be masculine if it's dagni up there I think it's because it's it wouldn't admit some sort of feminine it could have been some feminine I don't know I guess I don't know yeah I mean if dagni's up there and she could pull it off right she clearly when dagni gets off the train and says to the engineer why is the train not moving the signal is so and so and do it is is that is that is that who being masculine would you describe it that way she's doing the Steve Jobs thing right she's making decisions you know in in the moment would you describe that as

2:01:58masculine I'm actually picturing her like there's a scene in the book where she's climbing up to breathe yeah yeah like she's cleaning up but but none of that is feminine you would never call it feminine so what these categories have some meaning and the question is how do we update that went that meaning to you know the kind of world in which we live today doesn't matter much you're I'm not like not at the end of the day probably not well because it's like it's talked about too much like a social phenomenon when I think it's more of a personal a personal thing you know phenomenon yeah but but I'm not I'm not sure that I do that it doesn't matter right like okay look look at all this stuff around toxic masculinity that affects our law and our policy but those are I'm not sure they're not those are the neurotic people culture well who are discussing the issue but but there is such a thing as toxic masculinity that's the problem problem is we have to be able to

2:03:00separate these things when that masculinity manifests itself in physical violence so in disrespect for others that is this commanding presence can manifest itself into abusive behavior then calling a toxic masculinity is probably not the term we would use but I get where it's coming from I wouldn't dismiss the idea completely out of hand there's some phenomenon reality that they're identifying that is right I'd like to add that many Korean TV series portray highly competent women and there's at least one American TV critic who refers to this as competent sport man love to see competent women at least that Korean TV series yeah yeah I mean it's I mean you'll

2:04:05notice that American TV generally puts men down and it's not that the women are so competent it's the men are so stupid generally American sitcoms have men being unbelievably stupid but that you know and and that that is that is a that is a phenomena but so I'm not sure I'm not sure what is troubling you I'm lenn it's not it's not a it's not a question of troubling it's more you know like if we're trying to convince people of things and and this kind of goes back to my first point around language right how people understand certain words and terms and things like that I mean my view is we're not trying to convince the general public about masculinity femininity it's too downstream from from where we are this is not a fun row I mean let's convince about capitalism about egoism about reason we'll get to femininity you know 100 years from now okay well it just you you spent and I enjoyed the shows a lot you know where you've already talked about because I'm

2:05:09combating more people are already familiar with Iron Man and familiar with a lot of these topics but a stuck uncertain cultural I think you know conventions and I think there's a whole group of men out there who who you know whether it's the the the in cells or the men going the own way or all these weird groups but there's a group I think within kind of the I'm the big objective is umbrella who have this view of you know we need swords and we need to go fight because that's how we express our masculinity and that's what I'm combating so it's it's a and it's also there's there's there's a bunch of people online who if you told them there's this great woman um who you could you know would love you and you could you could have a relationship with and everything but she's going to make more money than you would go and they would they would abandon love they

2:06:11would abandon everything not to have the wife make more money than them right um yeah you're wrong you're a man you're a man and you're being harder on the men than the women what about the whole unhealthy contingent of women who are you know aggressive and who are thinking that they are you know on par physically with men and you know I mean there's there's there's there's there's neurotic people on the other side I am more forgiving of the women and I'll tell you why because look women over the last 60 years have gone through a massive shift a massive change that that they are trying to figure out without much guidance by it from the intellectuals and that men are trying to figure out so again I'm harder on the man but but men have to figure this out and that is that suddenly women have been liberated for a long time they won't expect it to be anything they were supposed to be at home and take care of the kids and do the housework and not

2:07:14pursue a career and not have a real life and suddenly they broke that those chains and good for them for doing that and now they're trying to figure out their relationship with men and I think men are trying to figure out their relationship with women and this is the whole context of why these issues are coming up it's there's a massive cultural change going on right now women more women at universities in America than men overwhelmingly universities are dominated by women not men they're going into different professions but but they're highly educated they're ambitious the career are we in many of them are going to make more money than the potential husbands and women and men are going to have to figure this out now those women who are particularly aggressive we think that they're stronger than men well at some point they'll realize they're not and you know there's there's a lot of experimentation going on right now as they should be as men and women trying to figure out what their roles are in a modern world where sex differences matter less than they ever

2:08:20have in human history and it's going to be messy and that's just the reality so I'm sympathetic to the men who have low self-esteem and I'm sympathetic to the women who are trying to figure out they're old in the world but the fact is that men in a better position to deal with it then I think women are and are not dealing with it very well I don't know if that answers you Andrew but I'll buy it okay probably probably a follow on discussion at some point I didn't mean to have the conversation yeah and there's going to be a lot of follow-in discussion because it's a tricky issue it's it's it's it's not it's it's it's hard and you know just defining the difference between men and women and what what they are what they what they how much of that is defined by culture and

2:09:20how much of that is defined by biology is an interesting topic in and of itself and then one thing that maybe I'll put it on foot list for next time is you know like just how how these relationships are portrayed in kind of a Hollywood I can call it that because I think that's quite interesting there are the dichotomies that I see this well what you're seeing is more and more more and more of the heroes of women and the men are weak so I see Hollywood is as buying into you know women are strong and capable of anything in menopathetic and weak and that's being the case yeah but at the same time in a lot of those shows you you'll also see things like the you know the women like okay the women are referred to as you know miss a John somebody right and when they get married or you know there's there's you know just a portrayal of them you less and less of that less and less of that yeah I think it's okay well anyway like to be continued oh we have two quick

2:10:22superchests yeah sorry but no no it's good mervin says when undervalued how do you give yourself visibility I think by by achieving things and then to the extent that it's necessary by letting people know your value that is by being more aggressive in pointing out the value that you represent so so so increasing you know coming off as as arrogant but I think you have to do that to let people know hey I'm valuable if if they don't see it themselves you have to ask the question why they're not seeing it all right appalda says can a little nerdy guy be happy with a tall muscular athletic woman I don't know why not I don't I you know I really I really don't see either one of those as

2:11:29the defining thing in love you know I maybe I'm wrong but I I don't think that that is going to it depends on the man it depends on the woman depends on the psychology it depends on what they find appealing and what they're attracted to in the other sex so there's a lot there's a lot you know to be there's a lot of work to be done in the psychology of romance a lot to be worked to be done in this psychology of male female relationships and I'm not an expert on that psychology not a psychologist I don't have the research available to me but I don't see in and of itself why not I think most people should be focusing on self-esteem first yeah I mean if people have self-esteem then I then the question is who are you attracted to and who you're not attracted to but first

2:12:31you have to you have to make yourself worthy if you will worthy of yourself I to be continued thanks everybody thanks to a panel and thanks to all the super chat is I didn't even get any question you're oh you know what I was very late I'm sorry I started at three you started at two I followed you can I get one quick quick question okay okay so I thought you were just coming into to to to comments on the masculinity femininity no actually I was like I don't know I I thought I was I wasn't that late but I am my bad so you know I think that um hatred of the good for being the good is actually an underrated concept like I feel like even some objectivist intellectuals look at it a little skeptically when it was an important concept to ram clearly I mean I could be

2:13:32wrong about objectivist intellectuals in that regard but like my impression is it's almost like oh people just use that as a shortcut to explain every phenomenon in the culture but it's like I think we should respect the fact that ran identified that as an important you know phenomena yeah and I view what is going on with the discussion about AI that interconnected with that and I wanted to get your your impression because you know the intellectuals in the media um and you know I just I know there are valid issues you've talked about what the valid issues are like absolutely like you know you take a heavy com rational approach to addressing valid issues with respect to AI but how much of this is the hatred for capitalism the hatred for the profit motive the hatred for human progress and production and what this is going to make

2:14:38um you know available to the human race in terms of modernity and technology and wealth you know how do you view that issue I mean look it's certainly there with a lot of people but I mean other other heads of the AI companies and Vias who they and Vias of what what is it what is it that they hated hating um I think it has a lot more to do with fear than with hatred right now and of it sometimes the one leads to the other but I think they just don't have the self esteem the understanding of human nature and understanding of of of of uh in the confidence um and that is causing them to feel afraid so I think the dominant emotion right now is fear certainly there's envy out there towards all these business leaders but why the businesses I mean who is who is Bill Gates and Vias of right I mean is Bill Gates really

2:15:40and Vias of these AI companies that's why he wants them regulated or is he just being hyperconventional and fearful um I'm focused on the intellectuals well you think about them yeah I mean I think the intellectuals are certainly envious of businessmen um and so so the envious of that I I think they're also fearful because they're worried about AI taking their jobs away from them uh rather than seeing it as a tool they see it as something somehow replacing them they and and you're right they hate capitalism so they want the state to control it uh so so so the intellectuals are definitely motivated by hatred of capitalism hatred of private property hatred of private enterprise private success in that sense uh absolutely what the hell zoom allows into it and I don't know what zoom

2:16:45suddenly woke up and went to all of this stuff um so I agree with you we're going to tell like so yes they are they are motivated by hatred and uh hatred of private property hatred of of capitalism and everything that regards that's what drives them yes but they're not driving the conversation right now the conversation right now is driven by shockingly is driven by the business leaders themselves you know but I think they are so brainwashed by the intellectuals like they are acting on that on those premises that have been yes you know inculcated yeah I think that's right but I don't think that's what motivates them I don't think they're motivated by the hatred the oh no but they're moat it but they are being driven by the ideas that come from that hatred being inculcated into the culture I think that's right you know I think that they are viewing themselves as potential evil doers because of what the intellectuals have you know um yes the messaging of the intellectuals about AI I think that's absolutely

2:17:49right I think that's absolutely right all right guys uh remember tomorrow uh so with Niko's two PM East Coast time not three PM so uh catch us tomorrow too we're talking about the Yom Kippur War which has a fascinating history uh it's the war between Israel, Egypt and Syria uh I will see you that have a great weekend bye everybody