A More United Nations with PM Pedro Sánchez of Spain

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1:08Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the weekly show podcast. My name is John Stewart. It is Tuesday, September 22nd. It is the opening ceremonies at the UN General Assembly. I am happily at home and not dealing with the clusterfuck of traffic that is now New York City. For those of you who don't know our President Donald Trump just gave his typical barn burner at the UN. The big takeaway is, I'm going to annihilate Iran, and I know AI might be a problem. What if we just changed its name? He is now saying that he's going to change it from AI to SI, Supreme Intelligence. Why not just call it Supreme Intelligence? Even though those are two completely different things. Why not just rename it? I think he thinks the problem with AI is a branding problem. My favorite part of his rebranding is he's going to call it Supreme Intelligence, but he's still using his AI force. He started an AI force to control it.

2:09I guess the AI force will control the Supreme Intelligence. We live in a fucking simulation. We must. This can't be real. I don't know which pill you take to get out of this, but God. But that being said, we are very honored today. We are delighted because the UN General Assembly is in town. We have some access to guests that we might not normally get a chance to speak with. And so we are going to have that today. We are very delighted and honored to welcome the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sanchez. Is joining us. A We Are Delighted Today. It's obviously it's the United Nations General Assembly. And we are joined by the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sanchez. Sir, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me here. And I would be remiss if I did not begin with a hearty congratulations to you and your

3:12country for your victory in the World Cup. Yeah, it's second time. Thank you very much. It is a second time throughout our history. But actually we didn't want the World Cup only. We also in women's soccer, we are also the current championship. And World Cup championship too. And also when it comes to the Olympic Games. So it's you know, it's a trifecta. You've got all three. Yeah. So it's clearly a momentum. Are you the European champions as well? Actually, we are. Yes. So I thought you were that as well. So if you've won everything. Fourth, yes. Yes. Well, the United States is we're almost at that level. We're just about, okay, we're not at that level at all. Well, but you are actually in basketball. Yes. You know, I'm the big fan of NBA. And this is the other basketball. Really? Yes, it's actually. Do you have a, do you have a favorite NBA team? Well, actually, you know, I know that you are a big fan of a big supporter of New York makes.

4:13Yes. Yes. In my case, I'm, you know, I'm following San Antonio's force, but it was not our year, even though we reached finals. I understand. And you know, you did very well. Now you played ball. If I'm not mistaken. I played basketball. I had one of us, Jan, in a very competitive team in Spain, in Madrid. But I, you know, I quit it when I was 20, 21 years old. And because of my studies and then, you know, I entered into politics, so I didn't have the time to, you know, what was your position when you were, when you were playing? It changed over the time, but not, not playing maker, but the shooting guard. Solid. Yeah. All right. Yeah, to pretty nice. Okay. All right. Well, I tried to do my best. I tried to do my best, you know, I appreciate that whole heartedly. How tall are you, sir? No, one, one point nine, which is like six, six, four, I believe. Oh, forgot.

5:14Six. Lower. You're, you're handsome and six four. I don't like this interview at all so far. But I am, I understand that you also play soccer. I did play for a little bit because I am the opposite of six four, about four, six. So we're, we're, we're working through it. And thank you for coming over. You just walked over from the UN General Assembly and I apologize for the traffic. New York City is generally, you have all other assets, you know, New York. Thank you. It's a great place. It's, it's incredible. For spending a week and a week, I don't know for, you know, whole life, but for a week is, I can understand that. Were you there? Were you in the General Assembly when President Trump gave his address? Did you were you able to, to, to hear it? Yes. How was it? Did you get a sense of how it was received by the Assembly at large? Well, I think it was a very, as usual, a very ideological speech.

6:14Yes. Not, not back as reported by facts and datas. So somehow, somehow when he speaks about climate change or the war in Iran, the things that are going on in the Middle East, you know, and they're, he, his political position, so are not, they'd say, largely supported by many, many countries worldwide. That is a very tactful way of putting it, sir. We have difficulty dealing with his inability to speak in facts. And we're not sure. And I always wonder leaders around the world, is there eye rolling that goes on? Does he speak that way when he speaks to you guys individually? Is he, or is that a performance that doesn't seem to match what he's like behind the scenes? I haven't got the opportunity to, to have a, let's say, a private meeting, a bilateral

7:19meeting with, with President Trump yet. But of course, we, we have the opportunity to meet in, in different, the forest and, and formats, they to summit and others. And yeah, well, he has this way of, of expressing his, his ideas and, and of course, as I said, earlier, very ideological. And somehow, you know, when, when you are president or prime minister, of course, you have your ideology, but also, you know, you, you, you try to convince and to represent more more people in your country, you know, as a whole. You're trying, you're trying to base your argument in things that have actually happened. Exactly, exactly. Interesting. So, so he, he speaks about climate change and he denies climate change. So he's denying the scientists and data's and, and of course, not only scientific data, but also the daily life of many citizens around the world, also here in, you have a state.

8:22So, so only know what I'm trying to say is that even when you speak about, if it's worth or not for our societies to make this green transition towards the renewables, I always say that in Spain, at least our data, our experience shows that is, is worth for, for, for the pockets of households to go for this green transition. We have managed to, which 60% of our electricity coming from renewables, we have managed to drop the prices of electricity because of this green transition. So, you know, facts and data shows that is the contrary to what, you know, the far right as a political movement, movement internationally is, is, is, is going in the wrong direction when it comes to the, you know, the biggest concerns of common citizens. Sir, what, for you, what is the dividing line in terms of, you know, we think of, I think

9:26in America sometimes the EU as a bit of a monolith, but it really is reflective of there is center right coalitions, there's far right coalitions, yours is considered, I guess, more progressive. You kind of have to form coalitions with maybe some separatist groups and some more far left groups. Where do you see these divisions going and, and do you see the movement as it was here, a more right wing populism, a more ideological populism dominating, even in, in Europe, in the way, you know, is, is that a fear of yours? Is that the direction you see it going in? So is the fear is the direction, but also we have mixed signals, no, so for instance, you, you see what was the outcome recently of the Swedish elections where the far right reduced its, its, its support and also in the Netherlands, but the contrary in all the countries we see

10:28a rise of the far right. And the biggest concern to me when it comes to the central right or traditional right is that they're committing the same mistake that many, or in the past they did when the far right rise, before the Second World War, which was to cooperate with them, to copy and paste the way and the contents of how to do politics when it comes to, to the far right. And this is something that we are witnessing not only Spain, but across the European Union. So I think that, of course, the far right seeds of legitimate anxious and demands of our societies, but then when they come to office, they don't deliver. So they turn anger into disappointment. And that is why, you know, we're witnessing, for instance, in Sweden, how they lost a electoral support. So there are like mixed, mixed signals, but this is true to, to go to your point that

11:32there's a risk of entrenchment of the European Union. And I think that is, that could be one of the biggest mistakes that we can commit because nowadays what we need is a more proactive on global issues, global matters, engagement of the European Union, not only as the Commission, but also as member states. And that is why, you know, we are following that path, being engaged in the debate of migration, being engaged in the debate of climate change, being advocating for, you know, the achievement of the SDGs and the 1830 supporting the referral of virtualism, hosting important conferences for the world, such as the financing for sustainable development last year in Sevilla, the city of the south end of Spain. So you know, we try to, to be engaged and I show Europeans how important is for us, also in our own interest to be open and noted as an entrenchment when it comes to these kind

12:37of politics and debates. And Spain is really, I mean, it's a microcosm of all these cleavages. It is, you know, if you think about, you know, talked about the mistake that the center right would make in cooperating with the far right. So in Spain, you have the people's party and I guess they would be considered more center right. But then you have Vox, which is considered, I guess, more far right. Is it your concern in Spain that those two parties form a coalition and do they have an opportunity? I don't know your, when is the next election for you? You've been in eight years. Yes, it's two, 2027. Yes, 2027. That's been in office for more than, yeah, for more than eight years. But to go to your point, you know, for those who don't know the, the, the, the, the, the, the, let's say the politics in Spain, we are a very decentralized political system. So we have regions such as the states here in the United States with a lot of, let's say policies that they can deliver regarding the healthcare, social issues, housing policies,

13:43and so on and so forth. And actually they are, they are forming these coalition governments in many of the regions because the numbers give them this opportunity. And at the end of the day, what I see is that they are not delivering. They're just blaming the central government, which is, of course, the easiest way of avoiding any kind of political responsibility. But anyhow, I think that the battle, the dilemma that is spaniards as many other societies in Europe will face in the next general elections is very simple. You want to continue progressing and advancing, or do you want to, you know, suffer a regression and evolution, so to say, on many of the policies that we have implemented over the last years, not only on labor rights, social issues, green transition and humanistic approach to digitalization and AI, but also on freedom and rights.

14:44So for instance, I'm proud to stay that I'm a feminist politician. Perhaps this is now something where in the public debate, but I think that the fight against inequalities and the fighting favor of gender equality is, you know, one of the biggest issues in the present and the future of war politics and national politics. Folks, there are times when we are honored to be introducing a new product to the weekly show podcast listeners. Now, yeah, obviously this company, Ridge, Ridge is the company. You're familiar with their wallet. Well, they've just come out with something. I don't even know what to tell you. I don't even know where this came from. It's a power bank. It's like a five in one travel power bank. It's got under by you.

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16:45They support our show until our show sent you. But don't be weird about it. So in terms of, would you say the issues that's animating the rise of this more right-wing politics, this more ideological politics, would you say that energy or climate or feminism is the most animating or politically correct rhetoric? Or is it mostly centered on migration and immigration? Because obviously, Spain, you know, you had a sueto and I'm sure I'm pronouncing that incorrectly. Felt that. No, no, no, no. Felt I say. Yeah. For those who are not aware, Felt and Melilla are two Spanish cities in Africa, in Africa and these are, you know, very, very singular cities. And there are like hard borders for Spain and also for Europe. Right. In between sort of Morocco and the Mediterranean, I'm assuming.

17:46And the Mediterranean, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. But also to give you an insight, the point here is that the reality of the migration in Spain is mainly Latin America. It out of ten migrants that demand the regularization, the amnesty, in order to recognize the rights that we gave before the end of summer, Latin American citizens or migrants, mainly from Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, not North Africa. No, no, Africa. Of course, we have a larger diaspora of Moroccans. It was the second largest migrants asking for the citizenship in Spain. But the rest were, even a large number, Latin American citizens. So, so all in all, going to your question about the far right and the link with migration,

18:48of course migration is an issue. But I also have to say that a comprehensive policy on migration, of course, touch the issue of integration of this migration for, you know, the Spanish society. And also fighting against the smugglers, opening pathways for regular migration because we need regular migration in order to boost our economy. And finally, to cooperate with countries of transit and origin in order to reduce the flows of irregular migration. And this is something that we're doing with Morocco. We're doing with Mauritania. We're doing also with Senegal, which are the, you know, the closest countries when it comes to the migration coming from Africa. Do you have an ability to do that? Are is, what Spain's level of sovereignty within that EU? Because our understanding of the EU is it's very difficult to wrangle them to make decisions in Brussels. But like close to two years ago, we managed to reach this very important agreement,

19:52this migration and asylum agreement, back, among all member states of European Union. And that brought to the table two aspects of this debate. First is, of course, control of the borders, cooperation with, with the countries of origin and transit. But second solidarity. Solidarity means that those countries that we are in the front line, so to say, close to Africa, for instance, we need the solidarity when we suffered those migration crisis from the countries of this central and northern part of Europe. And unfortunately, going back to to to filter the filter crisis that we suffered at the end of July, we didn't feel that solidarity coming from many of these European countries. No, even though we saw that solidarity with other crisis in Lampedusa, for instance, in Italy,

20:53or when it comes to, you know, questioning the territorial integrity of some member states with the issue of Greenland and Denmark, no? So what I'm trying to say is that, of course, migration is an issue for European societies. But let me say that in my humble opinion, the situation of the far right is not coming from a specific content, but a specific tool which is social media and the algorithm. Okay, because it is poisson in the public debate, is it spreading misinformation, is contributing to the human rights, the human rights, many of the political actors, I'm also victim of it. And you know, algorithm, we know votes for algorithm, but if you think it, algorithms nowadays affect in your daily basis more than the politicians you vote for.

21:58Of course. This is something that we have to fix. And this is the debate that we are having here in the general assembly of the UN, but also domestically on how do we take back control of a failed state, which is currently the social media. Right. And that is, I mean, the European Union, as always, I think, been a little stricter in terms of regulation as far as those issues go. I think the United States, not do you view AI as a more existential threat? I guess if you're thinking about what keeps the Prime Minister of Spain up at night, is it those futuristic AI, the algorithm, is it the more standard, you know, Spain in terms of economic growth is doing very well. I mean, certainly within the European Union and in general, I don't know if that translates to a happier populace, but certainly your economic growth looks strong.

23:02Yeah, we're growing economically. We are creating employment massively. We're reducing inequality, thanks to the redistribution policies that we are implementing. But going back to your question, I would say that, you know, let's put it in this way. In the 20th century, you wouldn't allow a private company to have to own a nuclear arsenal. Sure. Permitting that this technology galaxy own such a massive tool that with its implication in our societies and our coexistence and economy. Well, when you say it that way, it makes total sense. Have you thought about renaming it? So what the president has done, our president, president Trump has taken the name AI, artificial intelligence and changed the name to SI.

24:03I think it's a brilliant plan and I'm sure we'll save the world. Yeah, but you see the products. The products is that we have these technology parks investing in a technology that many of these, workers says that could kill an end humanity. And at the same time, these technical only parks are investing massively in immortality. And they're trying to get to Mars. They're trying to get off this planet. Exactly. That's the ironic situation that we're facing. But I think that when it is a serious revelation, responsible development of AI and not bookers and Mars missions for saving the technology parks. So this is a very important debate that we have to face multilaterally. And that is why I think it was very important to step taken by the UN Assembly last year,

25:07launching these panel of experts on AI as we did. They used to go for the climate change. Second, I think that we have to ask our leaders, especially from the global powers such as the United States and China. And I think that they are going to meet by the end of this month. Suppose to speak about AI, to see how can they seek ways of understanding and finding a common minimum standards for the development, responsible development of AI. And actually, from our side, you mentioned the regulation of the European Union. I have to also show with you that Spain was one of the first countries in the world to create super, very, super oversight, a national agency of AI. So I think it's important not only at the national level, but also the European level, a multilateral level, to have a strong revelation.

26:10The other way I was reading an article of this very important novel price, Joseph Stiglitz. Yeah, Joseph Stiglitz, wonderful economist. Yeah, yeah. We need an agenda for AI, which is, first of all, competition. It's very monopolistic. Second, regulation and third, redistribution. If as TechnoLigac says, we are in the beginning of the Abundance era, this is something that we hear often by these TechnoLigac. Okay, let's talk about redistribution. Let's talk about how can we increase our salary, so far, our teachers, the health professionals and so on and so forth. This is an debate that we must face not only at national level, but also at multilateral level. Do you think is multilateralism in this moment?

27:13Is it dead? Is it on life support? What is your feeling of how easily countries, China, EU, Russia, the United States? It feels as though we're moving into an era of spheres of influence, but that multilateralism, or I guess the negative term for it would be globalization and those things, is dead to some extent? Is that a problem for solving these kinds of problems? And how do you revive it? So, I mean, that's been in office for eight years, so I was a prime minister in Spain when we suffered the pandemic, COVID-19. So I think this is the best example to say that we need multilateralism and inclusive and universal multilateralism, which is not happening nowadays. So we need to reform the multilateral order. We need to be generous from the western

28:15side in order to have a more representative multilateral order. Second, the problem is that we have permanent members of the security council that are violating the international law. Russia in the case of Ukraine, we have this Iran war so it was a two-week war and it has transformed into a six-dollar-gallon war. And he's threatening to annihilate. I mean, he stood up in front of the UN. Last year he went in front of the UN and said, I deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. This year he went in front of the UN and said, I'm thinking of annihilating a country. It's jarring. The point here is that the coasts of the living not only for the US citizens, but to all what is increasing because of this war. And there's no way or no news about a potential agreement

29:17between Iran and the US and the situation is getting worse. In the region, worldwide and of course, it's putting in a very difficult situation, economics, the economics of many households, enterprises, industries and of course, countries. So we're suffering more inflation because of this war and the situation is getting worse and worse. So that is why I think it's so important to go back again to politics. Many times in the public debate, we speak about rearming, we speak about how are we going to spend more money on defense on at least on politics and diplomacy. And that is why it's so important to going back to your question to strengthening the multilateral order to provide with new insights and energy the UN system in order to solve crises such as the one in Iran or the one

30:22that is suffering between Israel and Palestine, Gaza in the stripping the center or Ukraine war. So these are at least the issues that I'm trying to defend here in the UN assembly. And not only me, many other countries are good at this. Well, that's what I was going to ask you is, you know, Prime Minister Karin, of Canada, made a speech last time at the UN where he talked a lot about the middle powers. And it was sort of this idea that if the large powers, if China and Russia and the United States are moving to their own interests and retreating from the type of leadership you're talking about, is the green shoot of this movement, these middle powers and have you seen other leaders very few have pushed back in the manner that you have. And Karin, I guess it was a Davos that he said that not at the UN assembly last time. It was the Davos speech. But it was about these middle powers

31:28showing leadership in that direction because we're not seeing that leadership from the United States. We're not seeing that leadership from China. We're not seeing that leadership from Russia. But then you have India, you have Brazil, you have the European Union, you have Canada, you have many countries in Africa. So the world is very big. So I mean, the mistake that these big powers are competing is that they believe that we are living in the 20th century. But we are living in the 21st century. There are many other actors with a lot of leverage, with a lot of population and with a lot of strengthens and assets to influence the path of the world. It's taking. But let me add that, of course, I agree with Prime Minister Karin, I think that the role of middle powers is critical. This is instrumental for the good of the world. My only difference that I have with Prime Minister Karin is a very good friend is that, of course,

32:34sometimes leaders, we have the temptation of working in small circles, like mine that partners, like kind of mini-lateralism. But we need a maxi-lateralism, which means to broader the scope, to broader the circle, and to strengthen the common action from countries. And that is why I think it's very important, of course, working through this coalition of the willing with like-minded countries, but especially to strengthen the multilateral and the UN. And that is why I think that we have a momentum. We are about to choose the new Secretary General of the UN by the end of the year. From Spain and many other countries, we are supporting that we have to respect the geographical rotation, which means that it has to come from Latin American country. But second,

33:40after 80 years of this multilateral order, I think it's important, it's fair that we choose a woman, the first woman leading the UN as Secretary General. Half of the population, half of the leadership. That is why, from Spain and many other countries, we are supporting a woman to leave the UN. Folks, enter the P to the R. I'm getting a little tired of news. I'm getting a little tired. I'm a ban outlets from my living room or wherever it is that we're sitting now. But NPR, I don't. I love the NPR. Trying to fall political news is it's a lot. You get the midterms approach and you get

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35:45Because the rise of this nationalist and populist fervor seems to be based on the idea that to cooperate with other nations is to diminish ours and to diminish our own economic prospects. So how do you make the case to Spaniards that these migrants that come in from Morocco, they increase our prosperity or to Hungary or Italy or these other or the AFD who have seized control in that one region of Germany. How do you make the case that your vision for multilateralism and cooperation also brings that prosperity to people that it's not just a moral imperative, but it's actually one that will improve their lives as well. So yeah and to follow your question,

36:47please give me one example of a far right government that has improved the wealth and prosperity of its citizens. Right. What they have brought to the table is more disorder or insecurity and more poverty and inequality. So I agree with you that this is the question mark that we have to to answer and to me one angle would be to to say that the global agenda is the agenda of the common people and we have a good example with this worrying Iran. Why we are suffering an increase of prices? Why you know we are having more and more the increase of cost of living because geopolitics is affecting also our daily life when we go to the gas station, when we buy at the supermarket. So only know what I'm trying to say is that this global agenda

37:48that we are defending here in the UN, agenda 2030, fight against inequality, fight against child poverty, going for a green transition is for the good of normal people, the common people. And of course asking these far right governments and far right movements, well they have accomplished and by the way, they are defending because at the end of the day what I see is that they are defending the techno-oligarchs which want only to concentrate more and more power and more wealth in a few hands. They deny a cooperation on international taxation which is I think fair for many countries that are suffering inequality and of course nurturing and financing our welfare state in the case of Spain or in the case of European Union and we have many good examples. In the case of Spain I can show with facts that thanks to this green transition we have been able

38:52to increase our competitiveness on electricity, on of course all the issues or when migration, you know this migration policy is also helping us to boost economy and also creating jobs not only for migrants but also for nationals and when it comes to strengthening our social pillars we are reducing inequality. So these are facts that of course show that this progressive agenda is for the good of the normal people. Why do you think and this is a question that I think kind of keeps me up and I that why are the facts so fragile when it comes to so the things that you're saying and you're talking about the growth in Spain and the reduction of inequality those are clearly facts and yet right after the crisis in July and I'm going to screw this up again. So the right surged in Spain,

39:57your popularity dipped and it sort of flipped your coalition was kind of more popular and now it's less popular. So I guess what I'm saying is all those aspirations even when true seems so fragile in the face of the emotional impact of what people feel like the loss of their sovereignty. Does that make sense? No no no no no no no and I think that when we speak about sovereignty we speak also about this agenda for for the good of the common people, no of normal people and of course sovereignty. But how do we increase our capacity to decide by ourselves? Right. Being more dependent of external powers or being more strong within the opinion that is why I was asking for solidarity before when we when you ask me about the Delta crisis and by the way how do we manage to solve

41:03this problem? I think it's more intelligent to have a constructive relationship with Morocco which is you know the country of origin of both of these migrants that came to fail to this crisis. Of course we have asked Morocco for insights answers and also actions and they are taking it and I'm giving us those answers. We're still under the process of investigate where it was you know the causes that the roots of these crisis. Morocco said they had nothing to they said it wasn't an organized but it's hard to imagine tens of thousands of people coming across coincidentally. Okay but but you know as Prime Minister I have to act with facts. Yes and you know there's no a clear evidence but let me add to this to this issue that of course it is there is a reality, economic reality a gap of economic development between one side of the border and the other side

42:07of the border which of course is an incentive for many youth for many young people to you know cross the border and try to to reach opportunities but we have to show these people is that there will be always legal pathways to do so but without of course suffering the let's say the attack that we suffered in last July. Right but of course when you when you go to the idea of sovereignty let's put it this way if we don't move forward in the idea of the integration of the European Union for instance on the capital union market or for instance on defense having a real European army or the strategic autonomy on you know technology or energy are we going to be more dependent on third actors or external actors we're going to be more autonomous that is the contradiction of the far

43:13right. Right do you believe that the EU is agile enough or is it too bureaucratic to be able to tackle those problems that you're saying at the Brussels level does that spend the frustration with them. So there's there's of course a lot of bureaucracy that we have to avoid and we have to reduce and this is is clear to me but on the other hand you know the European Union is a construction an animal a different animal to a federal system as you have here in that states or the sum of member states 27 member states and the good point about it is that you are seeing all of more countries willing to be part of the European Union of course we have you know the challenge of Ukraine which of course from Spain we are positively about its future integration but also Molova western Balkans. You see expansion you're you're looking. Yes and the

44:15challenge to me for of the European Union is not to lose its principles not to strengthen but to open ourselves to be engaged on global issues because it's in favor of our own interest and it was work for our own interest and a second to to reform itself from inside if we're going to face a European Union of more than 30 member states of course we will need to reform our it's a way of proceed and take decisions and make them more agile. Now you are going to be delivering your remarks at the UN General Assembly later on in this week. Yes. Is there is there a preview? Is there a theme? What are the kinds of issues that you're going to be putting forth into that body? Well of course I will speak about multi-authorism and the middle of reform in the way that I

45:15mentioned it earlier in closest and universal but let me add that I will give a very feminist speech. Are you going to be urging that they elect is this going to be about electing a leader that is a woman? Okay but not only that also they need not to lose the idea of feminists as one of the main drivers of the progress of our societies. I think that this is a battle, a political battle that we have to give because we are more and more witnessing you know a backlash on the fight against gender inequality and this is something that we need to to it has to be more present in the public debate especially when it comes to multi-author form so it forms such as the general assembly. So it's not only about the appointment but also about the need of you know one of the laws that I'm more proud to pass since I'm in offices is the law of quote snow over I don't know how to say meanly it's

46:20like parity right I need to to have work parity pay yeah yeah exactly we don't have that we don't have that here or healthcare other than that though we're doing great. So I think I think that feminism is is a flag that we you have to to stand again or or vocally and in a more assertive way because you say it's a matter of human rights it's not only you know sometimes we say okay this is an ideological step no no of course it's a political issue but there's behind a human rights and angle or content which has to be more visible. It feels like the momentum politically is moving in the opposite direction so the the stands that you're taking are do you feel the pressure of delivering on a more progressive agenda given how the world is moving seemingly somewhat away

47:20from feminism somewhat away from multilateralism somewhat away from protecting the vulnerable in Gaza and in Ukraine and in these other regions it feels like things are are shifting in that other direction away from even climate but but let let's put it this way first is is it is a matter of conviction principle I think that these ideas these causes are the right side of history mm-hmm I'm talking about history and in history you can find many occasions of backlash on the public debate on civil rights all these causes that we have been talking about but it is always temporary I think that the path that humanity follows over its history is the path of progress and advanced so I think that we need to remain optimistic

48:28about the future of humanity and of course we will suffer backlash periods as the one that we are suffering nowadays because there's this technology we need to do a lot of reforms very transcendental reforms that will change this data school that that doesn't mean that it could be better and it is today so I think that of course perhaps nowadays we are in a minority but it doesn't mean that in the future you know people will support massively these ideas and these causes and that is the history of humanity of course we have backlash periods right but we will have of course we persevere periods of exactly at we have to persevere well I I know you've got a hard out because you've got a lot of other much more important meetings to take but I can't I can't think of a better note to end on than that note of optimism and also of conviction and I really thank you for being here and I've been watching

49:30all the different ways in which you're trying to live those principles and I really appreciate them thank you very much I appreciate you and thank you so much for joining us and talking with us today it has been a pleasure thank you very much Pedro Sanchez the prime minister of Spain thank you so much sir thank you mint mobile I don't know what you want out of a phone company what I want out of a phone company is deliver me a good product for less and don't bother me don't bother me with the like oh have you heard about our new program you can upgrade to it it'll just cost you a lot more and then they're like call you a bunch on their own phone think about that think about the diabolical mind games that phone companies are playing by like locking you into an expensive phone program and then using the very item that they sold you to contact you about paying more for some ridiculous

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51:45holy shit wow is that dude hunk or relly caliente what yes julio so for those you don't know like generally when you have a guest at that level uh it's not like a normal podcast like what it does is you just you come up and it's somebody in their living room and you're in your living room and you're just shooting the shit in your pajamas they have a stand in that does all the the technical stuff the stand in and I mean no disrespect I mean no disrespect to the stand in but uncle fester got nothing on the stand in wow and then johnny cubble the arrow steps in and I was like what wow and then we start talking we're just shooting the shit and he's like oh yeah my kids his kids are the same ages my kids and I'm like wait what what is what is happening in espania that he's not he's he's young obviously

52:48much younger than me but but come on not much i think he's 54 no you're the same age as soon as he sat down the first thing i thought was britain he's going to be on hinge going is this guy and can i match with this dude why don't i see him on here right let me keep keep swiping baby let's go i got to turn on the Spanish language setting that's what i'm doing wrong i gotta tell you though to be able to conduct like these kinds of sort of discussions in a language that's clearly not as it's quite it's impressive yes there's a very impressive man i thought so and uh lonely man yeah lonely definitely within you know the european governments right in the global governments but very principled and i think that that's you know you see it in politicians here and he's obviously like the embodiment of it but it's really like when you have principles i think it makes the job a lot easier when you have when

53:50when you have principles and your six four and ten and you can dunk son of yes but it is there's like a i think he has the quiet optimism of real belief and i think that the interesting part to me is he was talking about you know look he understands the political force of migration issues and he knows it obviously it can't be unfettered and it has to be growth in the right way and it has to be regulated and it has to be done with a pathway to something that has a a sturdy legal framework but i think his point is it also is the path to prosperity yeah it has been in his country it's been born out and as he would say in the facts and i think that that's what's so frustrating about it too is that like you are still going to get attacked for the same things even when you have all of the facts in your favor even if i mean we see it in the us two with politicians that just totally seed their ground

54:55on the issue they still get attacked like they didn't you could be totally right with the numbers you're still going to get attacked like you're not and i just don't know i don't know how you how you make sense of that but i don't think it's by losing your values i think that the sense of it is people react to the chaos so in seoto seota the chaos of that moment coalesced uh you know people against him the chaos of our border situation you know the united states immigration system is so fucking chaotic and nonsensical that anybody that wants to demagogue that issue has a leg up but i think if you can demonstrate a thoughtful process to go like countries can't absorb everybody haphazardly but if you can demonstrate in orderly and reasonable

55:57non chaotic process to harness the growth that immigration provides and minimize the chaos you've got a shot it's it's you know you got to thread it through the eye of a needle but in this country we don't even have a fucking shot no i mean he tried to you know he did do that in his own country with sort of saying you know if you've already here and you've been here for a while we're going to give you a clear pathway to citizenship that's expedited because we have this aging workforce and it was mostly Spanish speaking pop it was yeah it wasn't the north african population that i think is what's more controversial there right it was people that were you know had been there too he didn't let anybody into the countries with those policies but then you have this image on your screens of people you know flooding the coast and right all of a sudden you lose any right any leverage that you've had even though your policies not responsible for that it's the it's the willy horton effect

56:58yes exactly it's on you guys remember but it was you know it's we expect 100 percent you have to be perfect we have a system that demands 100 percent perfection but has no ability to discern the difference we really don't it's a difficult one but i i admire it i mean i i was sort of like on a day like today after sitting and and listening to the trump speech him being able to just like wander let me ask you a question how do you think he got over to the studio i'm going to take a guess he got out of there and he surfed i guess is underneath this wet suit i think he got on one of the it might have been a hoverboard like a quirk Kent situation yes he's always got it on yes ripped it off yeah and hovered his way over he did make good time and that's very difficult on a

57:58week like this in your experience and then climbed up the side of the building who his hands with only little suction cups but but but but but but i really don't think it takes much for him to stop traffic it's i thought it was a very info when he sat down i was just like what is now so this is this is not correct bring the standin back bring you know it bring me the other guy back i can i can give that other guy a piece of my fucking mind but yeah if you're listening to audio this week we recommend you head to the youtube check out our socials that's going to be that's going to be a youtube sensation yeah and then here's the problem i'm going to be in the shot half the time so it's going to be literally handsome moldoon and then jani old tea like i looked like the guy in those commercials but it's like and you look comfortable you know like oh right okay next time i'll pullo shirt it uh but brining but what what what are the what are the kids want to know from us uh on this on this fine day john this is a two-parter what

59:00uh one do you think trump should ask mom danie for help getting the scaffolding down at the Kennedy Center and two that's hilarious should trump just put darts up around all his failures that's hilarious so uh what they're referring to in part one of the the two-parter is one of the first things mom danie did brilliant by the way because the whole idea of you know the socialist communist islamist maniac taking over new york city is similar to like when obama took over they were like black people now can do whatever they want like that it was going to be this chaotic system and the first thing you did is like why is there so much fucking scaffolding here let's do the potholes in the scaffolding yeah and everybody was like i didn't even know buildings had fronts truly it's true yeah there's what and it stays up for years and years and there's like there's no rhyme or reason why right and it's very difficult for people that you know don't get around the same way and half the time you walking around new york city and you're thinking did they just build these

1:00:03buildings out of netting netting and like pipes is that what new york city is is become a rainstorm and you're begging for it so that's that's true yes uh and and trump i am the trump as so many things with a trump you just you can't even imagine that just one of these one of these scandals or one of these uh ego animas that he takes would ruin his political career but somebody's suggesting like if i don't get to etch my name on the building i'm going to demolish it and then i'm going to put up a triumphal arch and fill it with weaponry like just just one of those ideas would have the country going okay can we just declare this man incompetent and move on where let's get let's get Kevin Klein from Dave to just go in there and uh i'm really believing that maybe the reason why he's

1:01:08fucking our country up so bad is that we haven't allowed him to etch his name on it and maybe if we just did that if we just just gave into it he would he would take the the metaphorical tarp down from the whole country and we could all flourish let's just let him it feels like giving the baby the candy though i know i think we can we can shut up the baby thank you we can always take it down when he's done the united states of america trump fine the trump united states of america get let him make the coins let him make the flags and then maybe he treat us a little better yeah he has very much like if i can't have it no one can yeah and it's yeah it makes me a little concerned about the future but i'm sure it'll be fine he's never given us any indication that once he's voted out he'll leave peacefully so i i don't know why you would be concerned yeah yeah i never mind i'll tamp down those fears yeah i mean this week he had a big one with trump tv oh god i you know i

1:02:11haven't i thought that's what we've been watching the whole time right is that 24 seven yes just launched on youtube motherfuckers on tv all it is it is nothing but trump but people forget that in the old days of president so bomb and five and all that like they weren't on uh like a car alarm when you're trying to sleep like it wasn't that incessant rhythmic other presidents like didn't always dominate all the airwaves like we're all living trump tv why do you need another trump tv it's what it is yes and do you think the FCC is gonna please trump tv yes because they are an independent agency yes an independent agencies regulate in a manner that is befitting of their mandate yeah i look forward to them enforcing the equal time measure

1:03:14from tv worse although i don't even it is trump tv i think it might just be a feed i also think it's like existed for forever like the white house always had like a live feed of their events and stuff so possibly a rebrand but i'll have to look into it a little more oh the rebrand is just uh did you see the social video which is cut together like of parks and rec and the office and all this stuff announcing trump tv and people were just like this is so many lawsuits waiting to have i know but that's he's a troll at heart like that's what i mean if we just let him put his name on the country will he stop fucking trolling us will he just leave us alone for a moment just i just want i just get it we got to get through these two and a half years all right that's all it is yeah what's next question uh john does it concern you that melania trim works less days than you but that's just that can i say this that's just hurtful it doesn't concern me she's younger than me oh no she works you said she works less days than me

1:04:17she works less days than you apparently what is she going in now once every two weeks if where is she i think the last time she showed up was after the Natalie Harp stuff was coming out and she was like well i got a show face yeah but by the way would you go there it's a construction why would you go there why would you you know where i'd like to live in that place where they just uh demolished and there's like a 40 foot sinkhole right outside of my thing like it is going back to the new york thing it's like the scaffolding is up and the construction project is going on and i'm sure she's like i got a perfectly nice house down in florida yeah and i don't have to deal with this guy yes that would be the number one selling point but you know what i don't even consider it that she works because any day you get to be with Donald Trump when you love what you do yeah so i wouldn't even say this i you know it's i think it's a misnomer to say melania trim doesn't work because i think being married to that dude is i'm sorry but that's like what you hear about like

1:05:24how they put finance bros through those training programs with like it's 160 hours a week care work is work okay married to that dude is that's that's the most grueling job in america that'll wear anybody down so no wonder why she always looks angry though does she always like yeah i don't even i feel bad i i don't even know why i just feel like oh god what a no you know what she knew what she was signing up yeah she's got quite a paid it i take i take back my empathy my empathy is now gone and i am you know i used to have her beautiful hat highlighted by a sconce yes in an area of uh you know the house to really show it on i'm taking it down empathy gone that's that uh anymore that's it for this week son of a gun all right kids uh once again uh tremendous oh britney how did they get in touch with us uh twitter we are weekly show pod

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