9/11 at 25: History is a warning, not just a memory

0:00Welcome to AfterGuard, from the America Out Loud Talk Radio Network. I am your host and I am glad you can join me tonight along with my co-host Heather Robinson, contributor for the New York Post. We have got a lot to talk about tonight. We're just coming up the celebration or the anniversary, the 25th anniversary, should I say, of 9-11. Also, the first year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, both devastating events. And we're going to talk about it. So Heather, how were you tonight? I'm doing really well, Rob. Thank you. How are you? Heather, I'm doing fine. You know, there's been a lot in media, legacy media coverage of the 25th anniversary of 9-11. We know there was a lot of pushback from some of the family members or a lot of the family members not wanting mere mandami to attend the 25th anniversary.

1:05I don't know if he received such a pushback when it was first elected to mayor and he went to the event. But this year, they were saying that they didn't want it there. And I mean, I understand where they were coming from, but at the same time, it felt that as the mayor, he should have gone and he should represent. And he and he did. I think that his behavior there, laughing with these representative from Queens, AOC, Alexandra, Ocasio Cortez was a bit tasteless that should have happened. And we don't know what they were laughing about, but it did make the news and people wondering what was he saying also making the news was George Bush, who was there. Who was a president when the Twin Towers, when we were attacked and he was giving him a stern look, sort seems the way they took the picture. It seemed that way. I, you know, I, I think about 25 years ago where I was and where were you are today.

2:10And I was at work, head at home, because I was sick and I live, I happen to live in the area of nine of the Twin Towers and right there, the, can't remember the zone that they call it, but I'm right next to it. But and the, it brought the country together, definitely brought New York together. And we always said that we would never forget. And some 25 years later, it seems some have forgotten, some don't want to remember. And believe it or not, I think he said 100. Milligan kids that were born between then and now know nothing about 911. You're talking about kids. It has to be, you know, what in the world? Yes, yes. No, nothing about 911.

3:12It's not being taught in schools. I've been teaching my son and my young nephew about it, nonstop. And as we approach the anniversary, I was quizzing them as to what happened. Who the attackers were. Where it took place, who was president, how many people were killed? I've taken them to the site so that they could see it. I've showed them the old World Trade Center. And schools, I know even before now, 25th anniversary, it was never taught. It was never mentioned that the celebration would happen. And the only thing they would say is that there's going to be a lot of traffic because of it. And that was it. But to go into details and explain to these kids that a radical group of individuals, radical Islamist that don't like our way of life, hate our way of life, inflicted this horrific terrorist attack on us. We even have some of the news outlets that are saying, do not refer to the term as terrorist.

4:15Don't say that. Why not? Why would we want to forget that part of our history when those on the, and these are the people on the left when they graciously want to talk about sleep. Well, they want to talk about it every time I say get, but you can't talk about the terrorist of 911. Right. You can't talk about who did it. You can talk about it. You can't talk about who did it. And some of them don't even want to talk about it happening. Like I said in schools. I should look at some of the history books, not that they're even teaching history in grade school anymore, or middle school to see if there is any notation of 911 being there. Might, son, who's in eighth grade. Had homework assignment this weekend. And they, and I was surprised because they did ask about it. They said that he should introduce someone who is around then and you know, get their thoughts. So, you know, I gave my thoughts. I said, you know, where I was and what's not. But this is the first time ever he's had that type of assignment.

5:15And he's in eighth grade. And I don't know if they were doing it because it is the 25th anniversary. After that, they'll like, let's forget about it. But even as we approach that date, you think about it. Many of the news outlets downplayed. It didn't want to say much about it. I would say about the past 16 years after Obama became president. There wasn't an interest in talking about it. The first year, the second year was okay, but then graduate for the fifth year. It faded away. And we can't forget about what happened. It was a tragic event. And we must identify the individuals who brought that devastation upon us that killed nearly three or took 3,000 lives. I think every country in the world was impacted by it. We can't forget about that. Why would we? And it's sad to think that many people want to forget about it and want to dance around it.

6:15And so you can't say this word. You can't say that because you might have been this person. You might have been, I might give me a break. Grow up. We become too sensitive. History is ugly. It's not clean. It's dirty. But we learn from it. And if Democrats want to constantly throw up slavery, the history of slavery, why can't we talk about 9-11? Because they don't want it. I'm sorry, Rob. I think I know why they don't want it. I'll say this. I saw posting on social media and they said that if we can't, let me see what was it. Because I want to get it right because it was so poignant. And I thought this is so right on. And I actually saw it and I put it myself on social media. But it said that here it is. If we can't blame Muslims, radical Muslims, for what happened 25 years ago, then we can't blame white people for what happened 200 years ago,

7:18referencing slavery. Now, if you want to say that to a Democrat, they would probably just shoot it down. And go, oh, but that's not the issue. We're not talking about it. But why don't they want to talk about it? You're about to say, Heather? Because they don't want to talk about the reality that we're still at war with these people. The West is still at war with radical Islamists and they haven't surrendered. October 7th was another 9-11. We still in this country are subject to searches everywhere. We can't take a plane. We can't go to an event without being searched. Why is that? For the most part, it's because we're still at war with radical Islam. It still limits our freedoms, our sense of security. The people who espoused these fanatical, hateful ideas are still in power in Iran. They've tormented us for 40-some years.

8:20They're still doing it. This is an enemy that has not surrendered, Rob. We've tried to fight this war as humanely as we can in our own, maybe perhaps blundering way. I mean, the left likes to point out that we were in Iraq and Afghanistan all these decades and... It's very complicated. I'm not saying that I think we made all the right calls or that our leaders necessarily did everything right. But the way I see it in their own, perhaps, bumbling fashion. They were trying, maybe made some bad calls, but they were trying to fight this war. And the enemy, the radical Islamists, we know they hide among civilians. They have the horrible advantage of not caring in the same way about human life. They do not. I will say that to anybody. The Liberals will squeal and scream and protest.

9:20But look no further than the fact that these radicals use their children. They have money for endless missiles, guns, bombs. They don't have money to build shelters for their children, apparently. They don't have money to work on cooperative business ventures with people and democratic nations like Israel. Of course, they have the money. They just don't, they won't because they hate freedom. They hate America and Americans. And don't, don't forget, Rob and our listeners should not forget that the same people who chant death to Israel in the same breath for decades. It's all, it's been death to America right behind, little Satan and big Satan. And the reason they hate America is not Israel. You know, they hate all freedom. They are, they're crazy. And we saw it on 9-11 and we saw it on October 7. And people who were paying attention see that it's happening all throughout the world.

10:25It happens to the Christians in the Middle East. It happens to the Sudanese, millions of whom have been slaughtered by radical Muslims. It is what's going on now in Iran with the regime killing its own people. And the reason so many people died in Iraq and Afghanistan, the left loves to just point the finger at America. But whatever you believe about the wisdom of our involvements there, they leave out the whole other side of the equation, which was that the violence was being driven by radical Islamists in both of those places for all those decades. We were trying to, to bring some kind of stability and yes democracy to this part of the world. But it was, it was being actively undermined by radical Muslims largely emanating from Iran, but, but other networks as well. So that war, those wars that went on for all those decades.

11:29And I would, you know, I understand in a way what they're saying. I mean, if we weren't going to fight it to win it, it seems a shame that we lost so many lives there and limbs. And ultimately the transformation of those societies was not accomplished. But maybe we shouldn't have even gone there or stayed there for so long. However, the reason what, what was driving the violence wasn't just our presence. It was the insanity of the radical elements in those places. That's my perception anyway, having, you know, having some experience with some people who fought over there interviewing veterans interviewing some of those brave Iraqis who did want democracy. They were being tortured and targeted killed, you know, I've written a lot about a man named Bethal Alalusi. I've talked about him here on the show. I've done dozens of articles about him. He was a, he is a great man, a former parliamentarian from Iraq who spoke out in favor of normalizing relations between America and Israel and Iraq.

12:41He was a pro-Western pro-democracy. He's pro women's rights and free press. Al Qaeda murdered his two sons because of these positions. So to have a really nuanced understanding, you have to understand that our involvement in these, these other countries, you know, right or wrong, wise or not, they were efforts. They were attempts to try to bring democracy and stability to try to, to combat this scourge of radical militant crazy Islamism around the world that came to our shores that shattered our peace on the streets. We had to try to do something and ultimately what we did may not have succeeded, but I think it was an effort to try to respond to something that's real, you know, whatever you believe.

13:42Even, you know, we know the Megan Kelley's and Tucker Harrelson's now are, you know, as you said, Rob, they've totally reversed themselves from their positions 10 or 15 years ago when they were all four US military involvement in these countries. And they were the biggest hawks in the world now. They're completely 180 opposites saying that we had no business over there and foreign involvement was terrible and implying that, you know, something was our fault. But to my eyes, I mean, the realities are much more complicated, much more nuanced. I mean, I myself at the time was, I supported what our government was saying and what our leaders, President Bush, you know, felt was the right course. But I had my questions then. It didn't seem perfectly logical to me. But I believed it was mostly well intentioned anyway. And I supported our country. And now that, you know, there's been so much loss and so much just mixed results at best.

14:55I mean, now I think that there may have been some truth to the idea that we shouldn't have been over there if we weren't going to really commit to these fights. But I mean, I think that to just blame our country and its leadership in some totally knee jerks simplistic way is if they did this just for excuse my language, shits and giggles. And I mean, the military industrial complex and the neocons were just trying to get Americans killed for no reason. I mean, I think that that's simplistic. And I think it's, I mean, I think we're right to question some of the decisions. But what's wrong with their analysis is it fails to accurately reflect the big truth, which is that the military industrial complex and the knee, kneeocons didn't do 9-11. Radical Muslims did. And radical Muslims are all over the Palestinian territories and running Iran and torturing civilians dragging them into tunnels and targeting Christians and hanging gays and attacking Americans.

16:07And this has been going on since 1979. And you know, I think we can have a good faith, disagreements about how to deal with it, but to just pretend that the real problem is America is, is, is it's idiotic, completely cowardly and in denial. It's done for clicks and attention and it's taking things from one extreme to the other, you know, whereas before they had no questions for our leadership. I mean, anything our leadership said to do, they went and, you know, Gangho, Ra, Ra, Ra, which we shouldn't be ever doing by the way, because war is a horrible thing. And, but you know, I tend to think that the leaders of Israel and some of our American leaders have had it right. I mean, in the sense that it's something that should never be simplistically celebrated, it is a grave, unfortunate necessity sometimes, just like I don't believe President Truman was yay waving flags about dropping the bombs on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

17:15I think we should be dreading doing this, but I think if, you know, if we've got to go to war, we better damn well go to win. And I think that lesson needs to be learned, but, you know, but the bottom line Rob is 9-11 should remind us that this country has enemies, they did it, they targeted our civilians, they do it in Israel, they do it in Iran, they do it in Sudan, they do it all around the world. They are the problem. And we should be able to call them out. And let me just ask this question, when was the last time? I'm not talking about all Muslims, by the way. Well, we don't even, we don't even have to put a call of our, a call on to fire on it, because I think I would like to think, I would like to think that people would know, but the question that I want to put out there, when was the last time, or when did Israel attack America? Can anyone tell me, or, or any other country, any middle Eastern country, when was the last time, or when did it ever happen?

18:17It never did, that's why they called their, their military IDF, the Israel defense. And still, as you mentioned Heather, look at what happened on October 7th. And we're not supposed to talk about that. If you forget history, you're doomed to repeat it. And if these radical Islamists are so sensitive that we can't call this out, then they shouldn't be in America, because they will quickly say that America is bad. And she said also, chanting death to America, death to Israel. Now, we're up against a commercial break, but Heather mentioned something that I think that we need to explore a little more, because a lot of people, a lot of folks that are born, reached after 9-11, are completely unaware, as to why we have these barricades in front of office buildings, are these huge pots, or why is it that you have to go through all this security at airports? And after dark, when the America out loud talk radio network, my coast tonight is Heather Robinson, a contributor for the New York Post, will be back after this commercial break.

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20:23Visit TWC.HealthForthslashOut Loud and use code Out Loud for 20% off your first order. That is TWC.HealthForthslashOut Loud. Experience the science of hair or growth with roots. Well, did you see Google quietly updated its AI principles removing its pledge not to use AI for weapons or surveillance? They promised they agreed to in 2018. But American people have seen Google's track record prompt in the question, is Google, and untrustworthy player in the AI race? Now is our time, my fellow Americans, America out loud.News, Liberty, and Justice for all. February, February, 2nd half of the show, when we went to break out, was teasing you. It's something that Heather had mentioned. All the security, extra security that we have in our different states and cities.

21:30And the reason for it. For our to 9-11-2001, you could go to the airport at any point in time, people could go with you. You can walk right up to the gate, and people would wait with you at the gate. But after 9-11, that all ended. Having to go through extra security. You can't take liquids on the plane. You can't take your bottle of water. A lot of people are in line drinking their bottle of water. They're like, what, you got to take it out. Or if you have perfume in your luggage, you're carrying on this over a couple of hours. I think it's three ounces. They're going to confiscate it from you. Going to different office buildings, and you see these huge pots, or these barricades that are in front. All of that is a result of 9-11, and many people don't know about it. And they need to know about it. Because we were operating, or living in a world that we thought was safe. Everything was safe. And it should be. But see, that all changed after 9-11. Going to office buildings, having to show ID. Now certain buildings are required. But many didn't.

22:33But now you have to have an ID. Going into different buildings, just to see the architectural design. They'll tell you, you can't do it. Because they don't know who you are, or what your intentions are. You now have to be padded down, shake down, to make certain that you aren't carrying any weapons. That's what happened after 9-11. And now we can't talk about it. Now we can't call it out. Now we're just supposed to forget. And as I mentioned, a lot of children, millennials, they know nothing about it. Today, I'm just normal. It's customary. Okay. We go in. But before 9-11, 2001, we did not have to live on those restrictions. Heather, what do you say? Yes, it was very different, Rob. Life, not to say life was perfect, but it wasn't fraught with terror in America, or the threat of terror. And we did have to give up some of our freedoms as a result.

23:34And I think that what happened subsequently, the foreign policy decisions our leaders made, as I mentioned, I think I personally believed that they were made with good intentions. I think that there was a real threat. I know this may sound like a strange comparison because they're very different types of threat. But it's kind of like, you know, COVID-19, for instance, was a real virus. And it did claim the lives of almost 1 million Americans, mostly elderly and people with immunocompromised status. So it didn't fell the young and healthy, but it did kill a lot of old people. It was a pretty, you know, it was a real thing. And as a result, the mostly liberal leaders passed all kinds of laws and started restricting people's liberties.

24:35And I think there were a lot of mistakes they made and overreach. But I wouldn't deny there was a virus that killed a lot of people. I don't think it was a fabrication. I mean, so I would ask liberals to consider similarly, I mean, you can be against what American foreign policy decisions were made in the aftermath in terms of Iraq and Afghanistan. But you can't deny that there was a horrible, mass, vicious terrorist attack and war waged on this country on September 11th. A lot of innocent people died and it was real and it continues to be a real threat. And frankly, a threat to more people in the prime of their lives than COVID was. And I think to deny that, you know, it was probably even more ignorant than it would be for me to sit here and say there was no such thing as a COVID and it was a complete hoax.

25:43I mean, it's just, it's not true. And, you know, I mean, I think it's fine to examine the decisions of our leaders. It's important to question. But I think that as rational people, it's also important to acknowledge reality. And I think reality includes the unfortunate fact that there are many people still in the world today who choose to interpret the most violent parts of what's in the Quran as their, their Bible. And this is the way they want to continue to conduct themselves. They, and they haven't been defeated and they're a big threat in various places around the world. And we still have to deal with it. So that's why I think some people are very uncomfortable discussing September 11th because those are the same people who want to deny that radical Islam is a threat to, to free people everywhere.

26:47But especially in Israel and America, because they're a threat to their own people. They're a threat to their own people. I mean, we look at, we saw the article the other day or many of you probably saw the article of Tucker Carlson endorsing Abdul Al-Faheed and saying that he would shame on him. He would vote for him over the mic Rogers guy that he's running against. I got to say, Carlson's just a whore at this point. He's a whore for money. Yeah. I guess is he actually on somebody's payroll is. Well, he's on he has his own podcast. But for him to come out and say that knowing. What America went through. And I wish, and I would say this also anyone who is okay with this with this guy Abdul Al-Saheed. Anyone who's going to vote for. There's a, you have a problem. A serious problem. This guy has come out, paled around with Hassan Piker.

27:51Now, imagine if the tables were turned and a Democrat Republican was piling around with David Duke. The left would have a conipsia. I mean, whenever a candidate is running the first thing I'll say is, are you racist? Do you support David Duke? I mean, that's all Trump lived with during his first term. They were constantly asking him about the guy. And now Hassan Piker, if you bring it up, someone will say, oh, well, he's just a podcast. Oh, please, oh, no, he's a podcast with a hundred million, three million followers. And he's deceiving those followers, young men. And to thinking that Israel is the bad guy and we're the good guys. Again, where was the last time Israel attacked America? Where was the last time Israel attacked any country? And I would remind anybody who's, you know, forgets the reason you got to take your shoes off at the airport. Thank you. Taking your shoes off. You're basically going to go through naked.

28:55You may like us or not, you know, but I think your my phone out. You basically, you basically have to go through naked. You're not going to, you made me like us or not, but we're not the reason you got to take off your belt. Unless you're going to see the proctologist. But no one wants to admit that. No one wants to talk about it. Right. And as what's his name? Hassan Piker said, oh, more than one occasion, America deserved 9.11. Is or deserve what happened to the October 7th? No, no one deserved that. That was a terrorist attack. And I would even say that about the people in the Palestinian territories, you know, murderous. As many of the adults there are. And, you know, we know they many, they elected Hamas. You know, I mean, these are people who have been, you know, at war, you know, for decades. Many of them are probably traumatized. I believe 100% it's because of their own horrendous leadership.

29:57And they're, I hate to say it, but their gullibility in following these so-called leaders into the abyss. But even I mean, I, you know, much as his little regard as I have for their society and their values. I would never say such a thing. I don't think anybody deserves. I mean, other than the leaders, the so-called leaders themselves or Hitler to die some fiery death. I mean, it's a horrible thing to say about human beings. And anybody who would say that, you know, about groups of people, I mean, unless you're talking about a mass murderer or architect of murder. Yeah, okay, maybe they deserve it. That that's what they inflict on masses of innocent people. And that's the way they've chosen to live. And they, you know, they're going to die by the sword. Well, you know, too bad. But I mean, other than that, I wouldn't say that about masses of people.

30:57Anyway, I mean, that they deserve. I mean, it's a, that's the difference between their values and ours. We don't go around celebrating anybody's death. I mean, other than some, you know, the absolute worst person who's ever lived, like... Well, you saw what happened, Heather, also with the anniversaries that we, when I opened up, talking to the anniversary. Uh, Charlie Kirk. And you have Democrats that are running around saying hooray hooray hooray. He's dead for some time. And even Hassan Piker has said the same thing. And as you mentioned, we weren't running around celebrating it. Like, and they're not, they're celebrating the assassination. This is how to mint these people off. Yeah, they're vicious. They're mean. I mean, they, you know, they, they cloak themselves as the liberals. I mean, they're the complete total hypocrites. I mean, it's they who are delighting in the deaths of innocent people, just like the radical Muslims who they've twisted into saying are the victims of all of this.

32:02Those are, there's something wrong with their values, not ours. And, you know, they can, okay, they can point to the numbers. And this number of people have died. And so, you know, I mean, that would be like us saying, well, because ultimately, more of the axis died than the allies in World War II. The allies were wrong and the axis was the victims. The axis is, they were driving the whole thing, just like the Islamists of today and their Western apologists left are driving this whole thing. We wouldn't be at war at anywhere. We wouldn't have had to, you know, whether we had to or not, whether it was wise or not. We wouldn't have gone to Iraq. We wouldn't have gone to Afghanistan. We wouldn't have the war on terror. You know, whatever you think of it, they have cause and effect reversed. They've inverted cause and effect. The cause is the fanaticism, the violence, the worship of violence, on the part of radical Muslims.

33:04That's where cause 9-11. That's where cause the 1979 hostage crisis. That's what cause innumerable terrorist attacks and wars against Israel since before 1948. That's, and the reality is, these people who are full of a bloodthirsty ideology, who do not value the lives of human beings, even their own people the way that we do in the West, they are driving this fight against a stronger party, which is the West. And the reason more of them die is that they are the far, far, far, far, far weaker party, but they're the belligerent party and they will not stop. They will not stop this war without end. That's what's happening. So you can debate all day long about, you know, should we go to this war? Should we go to that? Should we do the war on terror? Should we curtail certain freedoms and wiretapping, target assassinations? You know, you can debate, should we go on Tana-Malala?

34:06I mean, but the big picture reality of the reason we're doing this is we're just like at our wits end trying to manage the war. To manage this group of bloodthirsty belligerents who won't stop. And the truth is they could be stopped, they could all be crushed tomorrow, but the world's too humane to do that. And I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying that's the truth. But I mean, the left twisted into, you know, that, you know, aggressor is really victim because they have less money and less sanity. And, you know, because they, whatever else, you know, but the reality is they are the aggressors. They are a, you know, they are the drivers of all this and that's what 9-11 should remind us so that whatever our strategy and, you know, whatever we decide to do collectively, we're not getting confused about cause and effect.

35:13You're right. And that's one of the things that we don't want to happen that we are confused many times. People do get sidetracked and they get confused. I'm glad you mentioned the whole thing about the war and how people question it should we be there should we not and when backers and forward and I think a lot of times folks on our side, they get lost in the weeds. I see a lot of people saying, well, Trump, Trump said that we would have no, we wouldn't go to war, no new wars, no this. I'm like, but Trump has always said all along that Iran could not get a nuclear weapon. He has always said this. And I think that for us to sit around and to wait with them to get it as opposed to addressing the issue now. You have to realize that Trump is putting a lot on the line here. A lot on the line. And you look at what he's done outside of that. Look at the positive things that he's done for our economy, for drugs, no tax on tips. I mean, the list goes on and on and on and to get hung up on that one thing and to say, oh, no, this is just bad.

36:17I just because he told me this and I'm thinking, but what you rather him not address this issue now. Then for a Democrat to get into power and they will and then we have to continuously live through this a 50 year old plus pain in the side. So I give him grace. I give him some latitude for being willing to go out and take care of this problem because no one else would do it. Barack Obama tried to throw money at it. Joe Biden looked the other way and gave the money. Yes, it has proven to be more difficult than we had anticipated. And that's only because Trump is a humane president. He's been extremely humane. Same that they want to deal. They want to deal and he keeps kicking the can down the road. But he can go in full throttle and just take care of it. But it shows you the humanity, humanity side of President Trump. I guess he did that or I heard him say tonight. He thinks they want to deal. I don't. Yeah, but he's been saying that for quite some time. And I think that he's being generous. I think that I think he knows that, you know, we're not going to get anywhere with them.

37:26But do I go full throttle and just knock it all out and then both sides, both parties criticize me. Allow them to criticize me as I try to work through this with less lives being lost. I personally think it's the latter folks you listen to after dark of the America outlaw talk radio network will be back for the last half of the show after this commercial. Oral hygiene hasn't changed in 50 years, but our diet and the way we eat has creating an environment in your mouth for bacteria to wreck havoc on your teeth and gums for better oral health gets pride, oral defense and oral care line designed to combat acid creating bacteria. The toothpaste mouthwash mints and gum all contains isle at all and natural ingredients shown to dramatically improve oral health. Sprite can be found online and it all find natural retailers. Are you tired of struggling with low energy? We get it. That's why we created organic energy juice in just one minute. You'll have clean natural energy all day and never struggle with low energy again and it tastes amazing and there's no toxic chemicals or stimulants that make you crash.

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39:40Can someone tell me? No, I know this whole thing with Candace Owen saying, oh, genocide genocide genocide. I'm like, folks, please come on. Stop, stop, stop. There is no genocide. The only genocide is Palestinians Hamas killing its own people. Another little tip that a lot of folks unaware of Heather is that Israel had gave the Gaza Strip back to the Palestinian and say, hey, here, take it. Take it. Be happy. Be married. Not only that, and what did they do? They didn't they more than did that, Rob. They literally evict. Heather, we can't think you're mic is down. Oh, I said that they Israel evicted 10,000 of its own citizens in 2005 during the Gaza withdrawal. So it wasn't simple. Why I mean they they had to uproot their own people. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes, go ahead. Yep. We can. A lot of you know some Israelis the high some of the religious believe that some of the area that's present a Gaza was biblical land.

40:44Now that's you know a whole separate issue, but that's what some religious folk believe and they had settled that land and it was disputed territory, but you know they were by and large. They were successful. These groups of people who the settlers in that area and they had green houses, they had farms. But the Israeli government forcibly evicted them in 2005, Ariel Sharon, former general was prime minister and they agreed to this because Israel did this because they thought if these people they want to be self governed so badly, you know Israel was tired of I guess there were always soldiers needed to guard those territories. It was dangerous assignment. And so Israel said look we don't want it. We don't you Israel I guess put itself at some risk to do this because presumably the soldiers were there as a buffer against this very sort of thing from you know happening. I mean this is why people say why is Israel occupying my understanding is Israel doesn't want anything to do with lording anything over these people. It's I mean Israel doesn't want to manage Palestinians. It's that the Palestinians are so.

42:04Full of their their so their religion their full of blood lust I mean they have to essentially the truth is they have to be managed and so there are troops in these places and that's what the left calls occupation. But Israel uprooted all the troops and those citizens who were settling in those areas because they believe it was biblical and uprooted them carried the mail literally against their will in 2005. So there was no Israeli soldier no settler known Israeli nobody in Gaza since then. They were free to manage their affairs and conduct elections they conducted they they elected the most radical group there the people voted for Hamas and they whose charter is the centerpiece of it is let's destroy Israel that Israel has no right to exist that's what these Palestinian people voluntarily voted for when Israel had withdrawn completely.

43:09You know one of the many lies that's told is that they're they're imprisoned and they're kept in this territory that's not true you know at least 10,000 of them were employed in Israel these are people who buy and large elected something like 90 some percent of them voted for Hamas which is a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel's destruction. So thousands and thousands of those people who had you know voted that way were allowed into Israel to farms to homes to work so that they could earn a decent living those were some of the same people who mapped out their employers homes who turned it all over to Hamas who came with Hamas on October 7th to murder and torture and abduct the Israelis who'd been generous enough. They're open-hearted and desires of peace enough to let them into their homes and farms that's the truth and you're not going to you know it's no secret but it's not stressed in coverage of all of this what an utterly treacherous enemy this is.

44:20I mean that's what that's part of how October 7th happened was that Israel was if anything was too trusting was too desperate for peace with these people that instead of policing them and keeping soldiers within the territory and on the border in response to all the the the the widening and complaining about the so called occupation they Israel uprooted everybody every single day. So what's the problem with the soldier and made itself vulnerable to what happened on October 7th this is why Israel can't end the so called occupation and create a policy. Let me ask you this what is your thought on this whole idea you know that a lot of people in the media are blaming Benjamin Netanyahu for the attacks about October 7th the same way they were blaming us for October 9-11. So you keep in mind there are some people who believe that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and I mean that this country was so isolationist he didn't warn anybody okay first of all I don't personally believe that either but I think there's probably more a chance of that being true than the netanyahu do anything about October 7th.

45:43One thing about Israelis and Jewish people in general we are very security minded very united in that way there's a million different opinions about how to deal with our enemies how to govern how to earn a living how to vote among Jews is a joke you know you get two Jews in a room and you'll get 50 opinions that's a joke you know that's often made because we're tend to be very different. Very different in thinking people Jewish people do a lot of thinking and debating and discussing and disagreeing but one thing that unites I've never met a Jewish person I mean other than some lunatic on the fringe or something who was not very committed to protecting our PR our communities children elderly community safety security whether you're talking about in a school in a synagogue in a community. I mean that's the one lesson of the Holocaust we've all gotten allowed and clear you know we can't be like a daisicle about our security so I don't think for a second the netanyahu didn't give a damn or they you know I think he was look I think he was taken by surprise this was a sneak attack and we think of Israel as being so so shrewd and security minded and smart and you know not so vulnerable but that's not the way to do it.

47:11Clearly they were just like this country was vulnerable on 9.11 I mean do I believe it's so easy no for people to believe well they were dealing with an enemy that the on that enemy they're not all stupid some of them are you know they're wicked and they're smart and they come up with these sneaky forms of attack they did it on 9.11.2 so I think it was very similar in that way I don't think that Niahu knew any more than I think George Bush knew. I mean I think if anything we're probably they're probably believe it or not tough as these people are they're pretty naive compared to radical Muslims and they don't think in terms of you know just having zero regards for human life and somebody's going to just kill thousands of civilians from tomorrow for no reason but I mean that that's not a western way of thinking but that's the way so I mean I think that Israel was caught. Just you know that it just I mean I read other things specific things about how how the architects of October 7th pulled it off that they didn't use technology for instance I mean Israel's very high tech.

48:25I saw it and others are very expert at tracking people via their cell phones apparently they went back to pencils and paper I saw this reported in some Jewish media right after October 7th and for some reason I know that he's really talked about it much since but I'm the plan this in that way it was like 9.11 the way they use our own technology they kind of use technology in this very simple barbaric way to crash into buildings. But it was like wickedly evenly brilliant like no one in the west had considered this I think it was similar that they you know they had this. This sneaky kind of you know using technology but in this primitive way to just. Hang glide in and do you know use they use pencils and paper not cell phones to communicate and um so I mean that I mean that was one thing I read and I. You know maybe true and you know why beyond that why nobody knew and they pulled off this sneak attack I mean I can't really tell you any more than I can tell you I understand how.

49:34I'll kind of did this to America on 9.11 I mean I know that there was a general kind of um. What's the word like a being lulled into false sense of security I think both here and perhaps in Israel too I mean here I know that they. The 9.11 high jackers went to flight school and they. They went through the security so called security at Logan airport and I think the other airport may have been JFK I don't remember but you know the point is our security was lax and we weren't expecting it we weren't we you know we live in a free largely secure very comfortable state here. And I guess maybe modern Israel you know for for all their vigilance I guess they were. They weren't sufficiently. Where he and on their game and they got they got taken by surprise and so I think that happens in that you know who I mean do I think that he should be.

50:36Villain eyes for it no I mean I don't think he's the villain just because that happened I mean I do think that um. He's probably the best wartime leader Israel could have because I'll tell you what if I have been he. I'll tell you the day after that happened Rob I think he showed more restraint than I would have let's put it that way. Well but we didn't get a lot of the hostages back we did right nobody thought that would happen at the beginning nobody thought they people really prayed hard but thought those are people I'm glad you mentioned that because even I was watching the Republicans met. Terms convention and one of the parents of the hostages who lost their son and I think there's more than just want. Trump said that Trump did Trump had said that he was going to bring the get the high of the hostages released. The ones that were dead the ones that were alive and a lot of people didn't believe him and you have to think back because we covered this on our show.

51:41That it was a start stop start stop Trump said release and if you don't do this this is what's going to happen and we see this playing out today with Iran and I wish so many people would stop and look but we have such short term memory. But I remember this so clearly that Trump went to a mosque said you better do this because if you don't there's going to be held to pay this and okay okay okay we'll release the hostages. Come on up we didn't do it the death line moved then when they did all this wrong people and we kept if you recall Heather it was like backwards and forward and I even said that he should just go in and blow them all up you know because. People are going to be killed regardless and you have to show them that you're serious but then kept being played out I think was over a six year period and then finally they were all released so what do we see now playing out in Iran the exact same thing and you know what you have no one in the media. Sam's after dark who's pointing this out and you know what I just came to the realization is I'm speaking about it I thought about it earlier my wait a minute this is so reminiscent to what happened with the hostages and Israel Trump said release them he told him must release them they said okay we will Trump said if you don't this is what's going to happen the deadline came it passed still they weren't released.

53:03Come on all we've got to do this and we've got to do that little by little they will let some go not let the others they said they were alive somewhere dead they gave them wrong bodies and we saw this played out the exact same thing unfortunately is happening in Iran with Trump saying you guys better stop but down your weapons you need to get out of here they're saying okay we will we want to deal we don't want to deal we want to deal then they'll go do something. Yeah well they've learned they can play games with the West I mean exactly in the end we do and we don't let them know why with it exactly but I'll tell you the truth sometimes I I God forgive me I mean maybe this is oversimplifying and maybe it's inhumane but I just I mean I do wonder you know what if what if the day after this horror happened on October 7th. And I wonder it about our you know September 11th also you know we what we wound up in in all cases were these protracted very never the last bloody painful conflicts that cost our people's lives many many thousands of precious American and Israeli lives and the hundreds of thousands of these people's lot you know all the terrorists I mean who cares about their lives but I mean the people the end of the

54:23whoever's innocent on the other side who the terrorists hide among you know I mean you know I feel for the children I mean it costs tremendous life in these other places whether we're talking about Afghanistan or especially Iraq and the Palestinian territories I mean I do wonder you know if the Western leaders said once and for all you know people human beings are not currency we are not playing this game with you you know you don't have the power you're going to stop this. Stop it just stop it once and for all or you're going to be hit truly you know we're going to do another in the Hiroshima and then do it if they don't stop I mean I do wonder if this would all finally stop Rob. But the we know the world's not ready we're not there I mean if we were having an October 7th God forbid or a 9-11 every week that's what we do and it would end.

55:24It would end because people are not currency and that's not the way this world was conceived it's not what's supposed to happen and they need to be taught a lesson once and for all just like the Nazis did just like the Imperial Japanese did do you see the the Japanese. People were the Germans of today conducting themselves like they did 80 years ago. Gee I wonder why not. So something could end this the war could end but we're not prepared to end it that's the truth right because we're human we don't want to kill that many people that's the keyword we are. That's what we left wants to pretend they didn't they don't you know they're living in a dream world but that's the truth. So what you said Heather which is true. Yeah is that we are human unlike the other side. And guess what folks were all out of time.

56:24But I've enjoyed this conversation and we will continue the conversation in days ahead and I will end the show asking the same question. When was the last time Israel attacked America or any other country and the Middle East you've been listening to after dark and the America outlaw talk radio network. I hope that you take something from this show tonight because I did. And as we always say God bless America and God bless Israel. Good night.