#446 | Why Remote Viewing is the CIA’s Most Pursued Extra-Sensory Skill for the Secret Space Program

0:00That's no moon. It's a space station. Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. A few things before we get started. For one, our new documentary is now available on Fawesome. Fawesome is a streaming app that can be found on Roku TV, but you can download it on any smart device. And it's now featuring our new secret space program documentary, which features Tony Redrigs, who is an SSP experiencer. We've interviewed many times and he is going to be telling us about where his research has led him since he's left the program

1:00and he's found himself in some pretty interesting areas regarding remote viewing. So we're going to get into some of that today, but the documentary is now available. And if you guys want to go and watch it, you can do so from the streaming app Fawesome. And Tony, you know, that was an integral part of the film. And it took us a few years to put it all together. We finally got it out. And, you know, when I sent it to you, Tony, your feedback was amazing. I think some of your quotes that you sent me ended up into the movie trailer because there was just a genuine review, you know, so that was pretty cool. But, you know, what are your thoughts on that? I know it's something, you know, there's been many hit pieces and attacks on not just you personally, but the whole secret space program in general. So what were your thoughts when you, you know, watched the film finally and, and, you know, what's it looking like today? I promise Veronica, I'm not going to cry out of journey to truth. So first, I'm happy to see you guys. It's been forever. And I love you guys. And, uh, you're out there doing good stuff. And this, you know, is one of my favorite groups of people here.

2:04No, you're, you released it like, I think a week after the Darcy Weir thing. Right. And that was an intentional. I didn't even know it intentional. And it was a trap. Like, Darcy Weir, he paid me 200 bucks to interview me. Maybe I'm out contractually. Shouldn't say that. But I was at the San Jose conference, tech conference, me and Chris O'Connor. And that, with whole conference was like, under legal threats with Randy Kramer and Elena and Chris and me and Dr. Salah, uh, uh, forgetting Don Charles and a few other people. And everybody was like, they, they slid us a contract to speak at this conference. And it said, um, you'll know you can't work together for two years. Everybody at this conference cannot work together for the next two years. And it was like a month before the first G. C. We were like, what? What? So in order. And he said, well, if you guys back out now, I've already spent, you know, a lot of money promoting it. I'm going to sue you guys to recoup. So me and Chris were like, well, we'll come. And then Dan Willis rest his beautiful soul. Did a zoom appearance and did a great, you know, did his presentation.

3:09But when we went there, Darcy Weir was waiting. And he made it look like he was a fan. And he totally was misleading on his intentions and filmed us for a documentary. He put out and it was a total hit piece. And I was in the commercial, like, I tell you, or making me look dumb. Like he, he was in, like, he had the camera running when we were just sitting. He was like, Hey, guys, I'll be just a minute. And he had the camera set up. And it was on and recording unbeknownst us. And I was just sitting there. And he put that in the trailer. Like he asked me a question. And then he went to that, like, and put, you know what I'm saying? Like it was just, it was greasy, man, the way he did it. Right. And that came out and I was shocked. You know, I was hurt by it. And I don't feel that I've really through the time that I've spoke since I've known you guys and since I spoke publicly, I feel like I really haven't exploited people. I really tried to walk the narrow, even though, you know, I mean, I clearly have made mistakes. But I don't feel I've done everything to kind of warrant that. And I don't expect, I expect people to be skeptical of my information. It's cool. But to be faked, you know, like to be lied, lied about and publicly.

4:16And then your cut yours came out and put the whole thing on a real light. And we got real evidence, man. Like, let's see here. I go, we got evidence, we got evidence that I was there. And if I was there, that means I was probably at the rest of it too. Like we did the same thing in Seattle. Me and my friend Rob, Rob Haney, hello, if you're watching. And we went to Seattle a month before you and I Tyler went to Innocern. And it was the same experience. Like I knew my way around without ever knowing it. And I could, yeah, I'd call my mama right now and asked her did Tony ever go to Innocern when he was a kid or anytime. And the answer is no. I, you know, I never went there ever my life. And we, and it's funny because I went and looked and a lot of the interviews where I've described that portable we went into are gone. Really? So I've described it, you know, the little, the little cubby hole, the little cubicles. Right. I had described that whole thing in interviews a few times early on in my testimony. You know, early, the first few years, you know,

5:202018, I was doing a ton of interviews. And those are all gone now. So, but that's everything I called that out years before we ever went there. And then boom, we found the building exactly how it remembered it is. So your documentary set a lot of things straight. And, you know, that's how I feel about it. Like, right. I, I really, you know, at a time when it was like, when I got a total golf punch, you guys set the record straight with that documentary. It was cool. Yeah. Thank you. And thank you. Yeah. It was, it was interesting because the whole film was, you know, we're just building a case for the secret space program, right? And you're actually dealing whistleblower in the film that it didn't serve time in the military. But you're, you actually have more evidence than most. So that's why we decided to basically highlight your testimony throughout and then pepper in the other stuff and really build this case. So like, okay, here it is in the military end, but here's this guy who didn't go in the military. And then this is,

6:20this is how this is the other way they bring people into these programs. So it was, you know, very ambitious and we know there hasn't been a film done like that. So we're just glad we're grateful the feedback that we're getting and it's been amazing. So I didn't know when I was filming you, following me around, I had no real vision for the documentary at that point other than then I just need to get this footage. And that's kind of how it started. It worked out and you did a really good job editing and putting it all together to make sense to people. So a lot of people don't do that. And I'd like to see a return to evidence. I think there are a lot of great people speaking right now about their time in the SSP and they pick it up where everybody left off and not circling back and accentuating their own evidence. How do you believe that you were there for one? And for two, make somebody that doesn't believe in any of this. You don't talk to the quiet. Don't reach to the choir. Talk to the skeptics. Show me, prove it to me. Right. And use a lack of that these days. And that's why it's fizzled out. Yeah. Yeah. And speaking of that, I'm speaking out of

7:23conference in Michigan, your home state actually coming up here in like a week and a half. A good friend. Good friend. Frank Rigalas putting it on and John Charles is speaking there. And Frank is like, all right, Aaron, for the people that know nothing about this stuff, like going from that to hearing John Charles might be a bit much. And I'm like, well, yeah, understand. So he wants me to really set it up, like give the proof and the foundation for their be even being the secret space programs leading up. And then people hear John Charles and he has a lot of evidence too, just like you. He has. Yeah. He's great. He's great. So he and I disagree on certain thing and we kind of quick talk it. But ultimately, JC is an important part of it all. He's got great evidence. I absolutely believe he is real and genuine. I have a slide. I actually found research into human teleportation. So it's not far away. He's comes right out with it. People go, what? Yeah, he's like, I tell a part of that. And this is just teleport. When I was a kid, I could

8:24teleport. I had a beach sand and look, here's the proof. Yeah. And it's great. He's got great evidence. His documentaries of another one that's really exceptional as far as proving it. And like I said, there's a school of people that come up with proof and the school of people that aren't. And I'm begging the people that aren't just come up with some proof, man. Just something, please, please. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, that's when I think what were you going to say something else? Well, I was going to say I'll send that to Aaron and help you out. I have a document about the research and teleportation and help you for setting that up. That would be amazing. Thank you. I love the co-operate. Collaborate. Yeah. Whatever the word is. Thank you so much. I would be fantastic. So one of the things I noticed doing the film was, you know, we were under me personally. Maybe I don't, I can't speak for Aaron, but was under intense attack from not just like the typical online stuff, but just even things in your personal life that you know are related to what you're working on in the moment. And

9:27that they try to whatever just energetically, you know, just handicapped you. So you just can't fully put your energy into the project or whatever it is. And at any time that we do an episode about the SSP that is that carries a lot of weight, it seems like the attacks follow. And I'm like, what, so what is it? I'm thinking to myself like, what could it be that they're attacking so much? And I'm looking comparing that what we talk about to the mainstream disclosure. And I think it all costs what they're trying to really prevent is that they cannot let people understand that they're, they have colonized space. There are humans in space. Like that's the main thing I think they're trying to cover up above and beyond everything else. Like not even a 20-in-back concept. It's the fact that humans of colonized colonized space on many, colonized space on many planetary bodies and have breakaway civilizations everywhere. And I, it seems, you know, that contradicts what they're trying to just trickle out to us in the mainstream.

10:30So what are your thoughts on that? That's an amazing point. And I, it's honestly half of my career is explaining that. What do you just said? They're incrementally letting us know. It was a big deal for them to show the UAPs. The first tranche of data, data was a bigger deal than anybody realizes because it showed us it defeated the number one skepticism of the UFology was the physics. So the number one thing that all the scientists and everybody says they can't, well, yeah, how are we going to get there? How are we going to get to space so fast? So we don't have any proof of any technology that can possibly exist that can go that fast. And then when they came out with film of craft and go to space in them one minute and then back down into the water, it dashed that argument to pieces. And that was a big deal. But one, and so they let it, they're letting it out incrementally. What I'm saying is they're going to give a time to catch up that we're out there already. And I think that there's a battle for who's going to be ultimately in control.

11:32So I think that at the top of everything in the world, you might have one group that runs everything, but there's, it's made up of 50 or 100 people that fight for position to who's going to be the the grandpa and they have their own version of what disclosure looks like. You know, for one, and for two, their ETs have a say. I think we don't take in for granted the exo political ramifications of disclosure. So the ETs are going to have to put up with our dumbasses. So you know, I mean, on a certain level, the ETs are going to be like, oh, great. These guys are coming up. They've been programmed to be idiots for the last 100 years from their own media. And now they're walking around here with us. You know what I mean? Like it's kind of like, and we on a proxy level that might be explained what we're getting. Jesus, I shouldn't say this on camera. That might be a proxy version of what we're getting with all the mass immigration. Because we're seeing people that have grown up that have lived life in a culture, a third world culture that has its own rulesets of

12:33morality going to another culture that has a higher set of rulesets and morality. And then there are excuses to install surveillance over everything. So we're seeing like this disclosure happening. You know what I mean? Like a trust run, like a pre-game for disclosure, for these cultures, cultures that are incompatible to mix. And discolimposed disclosure is going to be that. And then in the middle of all that, they can say, oh, yeah, we had colony up there a while ago. And we had these undergirds. I think there's more here on earth. Colonies underneath of us that have ET's coming and going because the gravity is convenient than in a lot of the bodies in the solar system because the gravity is expensive. Yeah. Interjectly expensive. That's an interesting point. I love that you always have a very unique lens. You view all this stuff here and that explains a lot of your analogies. But that makes a lot of sense to me. And I definitely think that they're here,

13:40especially human looking ET's. In fact, there's a crop circle years ago in the 70s that showed a human face. It was a response to a call that said the setty programs sent out in like, I don't know, a decade prior or whatever it was. And then so they sent back the same like blueprint thing that that was sent out, but it was altered. And then the other one next to it was a human face. And everybody's like, why would they show a human face? I'm thinking to myself, that's them. They're telling us that's what they look like. They look like us. We are you. Yeah, it's like a selfie. And but most people hadn't connected at that. I mean, when you listen to the research on it, they're trying to figure out what they're telling about us. But I think they're telling us that, you know, these ET's are primarily human as well. I've said recently, I do talks. I do a Q&A once a month on my Patreon. But every week in my tier to three, it's basically a talk. And we all

14:44entertain. And it's like back and forth with, you know, a dozen, maybe 15, 20 people, dozen people. And recently they were like, we were talking about post disclosure. And I said, look, and I said this in an interview recently, and I was living in it's true. And it's true. And people don't think this. When I was young, I thought that rich people were noble. I'm in the kid in the trailer park. Right. So I thought that people in order to be wealthy, they had to be morally noble, that they were just better than because I saw a lot of people morally bankrupt in the trailer park. Right. And so I assumed that having your act together financially translated to have in your act together morally and come to find out it's quite the opposite sometimes. It's just people are people. And we think that ET's are the same. The lens. We think that because they have space travel that they're morally also, you know, spiritually better and they're just higher or wider, they're more evolved. Yeah. Well, they look like always. But the reality is ET's are snobs.

15:46They're total snobs. And post disclosure, don't expect to be around an ET and not get snobbed. When people ask me, I get asked all the time in my Q&As, what was the gray like when you're on Mars in school? You know, when you were testing, what was I said, he was a complete snob. He basically insulted me every time he ever interacted with me. It called me a microbrain. And you know, he was super insulting because he was tied into their collective AI brain. So he was smart. And he was a total snob. And I'd think about it. And most of the ET's I met were the same way. And then I equate it to this. Like you would go, let's imagine that you're on a, what is it? Red Cross and you're going to help and they contact a tribe in South America. People that never had contact and now you can go down there and hang out with them and you learn their language. Would you condescend? Would you say, oh, no, no, no, we have water. We have hot water for that. No, no, we don't do this bacteria. You'd be super condescending to their way of life because you would think that our technology

16:47makes you smarter. And the ET is the same way with us. The same relationship. The guys people have mastered their environment with what they've got, but they don't have the benefit of the science of the whole globe working at it. Right. It's the same man. They're they're going to be snobs to us. Well, and I think what you said though prior to that, people are people like we fact, I don't think it's fair to use as a blanket statement for everyone because like you stand that every rich person or wealth. Yeah, you know what I mean? So I was young. And so what I'm saying is I found out that there was a stark contrast that really people of wealth that grew up at a different economical status to me were just people. Yeah, I know they were a lot of them were not happy. No, I appreciate that perspective because it is, I mean, I can totally see where that could be the case for a number of groups out there, especially the ones that have been working with the dark, the deep state, you know, and aligning with against humanity, not with me against humanity. But

17:49um, so I understand that you know, your research has your your time in the programs researching just that trying to prove your testimony led you down this remote viewing path. And we've talked about this on previous episodes, but I'm wondering, you know, you guys do like weekly meetups and stuff and you have all these targets. How many targets would you say have you done off world? Have you done any off world targets and gotten any real results from that? Dude, we did one last week for the the horse on series. I said, well, I wanted to know what it looked like now. The hanger bay, the horses, yeah, yeah, the hanger bay. So I targeted that with remote viewers and they explained it. It was like they came back with I was I got choke. I'm talking about crying too much, but it choked me up, man. And when I first when the first remote viewer was on target when I opened up the data and the first remote viewer was on target and described the hall way the hall. And there's grass. They added grass. They added like an astro turf like multiple viewers had the structure and the steps

18:56with the marble with the spinning doors, you know, representative things of the spinning doors, but with a grass element. So they added they added grass on series as far as I as far as my remote viewings look. And I had, I don't know, seven or eight viewings got turned in on that target. But we don't do space too much because it's unconformable. So in order for to teach people to remote view, you want them to confirm it that they got it right for that for the the adaboy, you know, the confidence of saying, Oh, shit, I got it. And that really builds that ability. The belief in the ability to remote view is the most important aspect to remote view. You have to believe it. And you have to believe it unconsciously. So it takes many times of doing it to get there. Yeah. And that's a good point because I was just more curious like if you were to give somebody a blind target of a planetary body or just anything in space, what they will come up with. And you could start to formulate theories about, you know, what's happening here? Has this been colonized or

19:57not? The trick is with that because you remember three eyedless everybody and their brother was remote view than that. So we were remote view to the trick with remote viewing a unconformable target is to have many people do it. So, you know, you know, remote view what's going on at the Michigan stadium and people go, I see a structure, I see some grass and there's a table with a fruit basket. And then the next person goes, I see this like a locker room. And but you come out this hallway and there's this table with a fruit basket. And then I see a park a lot and there's a table, the fruit basket. So the fruit basket's real. In other words, like when you get big time overlapping data over and over again on a target that you don't know, you can't go there. Then we give that we give that heavy weight. Right. Right. So I guess take us back. Now, you know, you've had something you wrote down some notes and some things you wanted to talk about. So maybe you could, you know, kind of bring us through your journey of, you know,

20:57researching remote viewing and developing a building. Now you teach it. And I mean, you can be as brief as you'd like. But it's just something. I know this is where your heart and soul has has moved to because, you know, this is for one, I guess, I from what I've understood and I've heard other people say this. Remote viewing is the prime ability that the CIA targets. If you can remote view, they're interested in those people for the programs. So obviously that's what you dug up when you start looking into programs. You found this remote viewing research. So I guess, yeah, this feeling those blanks. I really dug it up after you and I went to Innocurantiler. So I got remember. So before that, when I thought back of Innocurant, I remembered suffering. Like going through that, like I didn't really really remember the remote viewing. I remembered what was painful when I was there when people in my book, I didn't talk about remote viewing in series colony, because the memories I had were just being tortured there and going through this program and going to do that out of body stuff. But when we went there and I could feel it and smell

22:01it and kind of see it, you know what I mean? It was the same humidity even. I started to remember the times that I wasn't being hurt, the conversations I stood there and I was like, it jogged memories and it was like remote viewing. And I remembered how all the training I got at how to remote view there. And then I went home and started looking it up and connecting the dots and I found all the paper trail behind it. And so that's what and then I already had two or three in the Patreon. So I said, let's try remote viewing you guys and it was a blast. It's just fun for people to go through the meditation and the, you know, it's a formula. It's a process and it just turned out to be fun whenever but when everybody submits their data and I go, oh, look, it's the awful tower. You got it. Everybody's like stoked, you know, we're cheering. And then so I started the remote viewing groups and went from there and learned more and more and we got into blocking, which I think I ticked off a lot of people because I remember Innocurian was about countermeasures. And so I had the remote viewing groups do experiment. We tried four or five different experiments where

23:04we got it to work and we were able to block a remote viewing, which a lot of remote views. This was a scub. This was a hub hub in the disclosure community between some whistleblower saying that they could be they had remote viewing shields and other famous remote viewing teams saying, no, you can't block remote viewing. There's no shield. And then so I came out with that protocol and then I published it in my book beyond site. Kind of quickly, I put you know, looking back, maybe I should have kept it a secret now that I'm doing forecasting. But it progressed the science of it progressed in the research and I'm still looking at the science of it in remote viewing. I'll tell you this right now, remote viewing and a parapsychology and psychoenergetics. All of it is going, you're going to and if you study it and stay on it, if you if you grab the tiger by the tail and let it pull you, you're going into dreams. You're going to go into lucid dreaming eventually. It all ends there. I think that lucid dreaming. Well, I think that there's a I call it the sea field.

24:05The universe is made up of several several fields we used to call it the ether unified field theory doesn't work. So there's electromagnetic field that does electricity and light and magnetism. And then there's another field in a court field in a Mulan field and we have all these fields the different different modes of reality need. So an electron is moving through a field and it pushes the field sideways and that's magnetism. There's no magneton. It isn't a particle. It's the field being perturbed by the electrons going through it. That's magnetism. And so I started looking at it and I went, wait a minute with our remote viewing. So we've we've done remote action. So we can do remote action too. We like it. We're I'm way down the road at that. And I don't like to talk about how it goes down publicly or whatever because for many reasons. But we can do remote action. We can do remote influencing without the dream world. So remote is going to work way better when you're asleep

25:05because a dreaming mind is an undefended mind. And on the conscious mind when you're awake you're defended. So hey, buy this by this watch. Buy this watch. I give it for a hundred bucks and you go, man, that's a piece of lily. But in the dream it's your grandma saying, you need to buy this watch and you go, I think I'll get it done. Right. Oh, consciousness is probably like a field. That's what I'm that's what I'm researching right now. I'm actually doing doing experiments on it to see if consciousness is a field that works the same way like electrons go by and push the field sideways. And we have magnetism that consciousness moves through the field for thought and it perturbs the field and that's how we get manifestations and remote viewings. Like that's how you know that it's a field. I was postulating that it was like a sandwich and one piece of bread was our universe and then there's a membrane and then another universe. But now I'm starting to look at it like their layers. It's more like a salad. More like a salad. Like a like a tossed salad because of all the time travel manipulation. And it's a salad that exists that you haven't eaten yet. You

26:10took a bite but you haven't eaten yet. Right. Well, the other thing that I find when we look at the sea field is that it's slightly offset in time so that an event that happens in a sun conscious happens a few days later in the conscious in the real in the reality and the rest of the field. So there's a there's a delay. But it's basically accessed through the dreaming mind and I think that you're always dreaming. There's a part of your mind that is dreaming right now even though you're awake. Part of you is always dreaming and when you go to sleep, the part of you that's awake right now shuts off and you become aware of the dream because it's really only a tether into conscious the conscious field. Right. You know, the I feel like I'm I feel like I'm nerd now and I'm sorry. Right. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. The there was an area 51 anonymous whistleblower in 2008. We put part of his testimony in our documentary, but the other part we didn't put in there. He's talking about the shadow government at a private sector

27:14being well aware of other dimensions and and how the view of the dimensions and he described it exactly like he said they imagined blankets stacked stacked on top of each other and he said in each dimension, the planets are all there like the solar system. It's all there but each planet takes on a different form and he said Jupiter in a higher dimension is actually solid and it's inhabited and you know, all that stuff. So I think you're onto something with that and going back to the defense against remote viewing William Tomkins also talked about that and one of his old interviews. Yeah, you can find it. Yeah, he said that because he was a remote viewer and he said that he realized that these like bases that they were trying to remove view. There was like a psychic protection. They had somebody blocking them certain people from penetrating those facilities and that that so you didn't blow whistle on that actually. It was William Tomkins and he and he did take some heat for what he released and you know, it's inevitable that people are going to come to

28:17that conclusion if they start playing around with it. That's good to know. I don't feel so bad now. Yeah, so yeah, the blocking is real. There are many and then we find out that it's more of a cat mouse game. It's not like you just put up a shield and you're done. It's you put up a shield and they figure out a way around it. It's an arms race in a mental and mentality. And ultimately, the creativity of the viewer wins. The one that's more creative wins. So if you have a viewer and a blocker, the creativity of the either you're limited in performance by the amount of creativity you have. So some people are very creative. Some people are not and we look at you know, I don't, everybody can remote view. Everybody can remote view and you it's like muscles. So you can you can get strong and be good at it. But there are certain personality types that are already that come kind of predisposed. The same way we have people that already have big muscles, they just got to get it shaped. You know, some people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, I'll never get as big as Arnold if I

29:20work out all day long eight hours a day from from if I started when I was 15, don't know, I would never get that big. I just don't have that construction of my personality. And remote viewing works kind of like that too, you know, I think I think women are pretty I think the female gift is because of maternal instincts. They're predisposed to be to be aware of the sea field. And you know, for because your baby's crying in the other room, the mom knows it. She's always hyper alert and always hyper listening. Whereas, you know, the male men didn't need that. And I feel bad every time I talk about general stuff like all rich people or girls or boys that I always it gets used against me later. I mean, yeah, exactly. You know, everybody's going to perceive anything however they want. You know, so it's not like we have to understand that happens to us too. We speaking blanket statements a lot and and people will comment, Hey, you know, that's not I'm I'm a boomer and I'm not like that

30:23or whatever it is, you know, so, you know, you got to be careful sometimes and we I think the audience understands that, you know, it's it's not everybody, but in general, this is kind of how it works in certain areas. Um, you asked me about another project. So this is also I'm a call if I if you just give me one minute here. And I want to say this, I know a lot of people watch this show are other experiences. I think that's what draws people to our audience. So most of the people that tune into me have had something weird happened in their life. So they know it's real. I want to say to other SSP experiences and anybody that's working, there's a lot of them. And you know, I'm not going to argue about your testimony, but I would say this, if you were in the SSP and you have a fair amount of memories, try to feel the product, try try to undo something because you saw a lifestyle that is far more advanced and times going, it's moving fast with AI right now like our day to day

31:23technology is moving super duper fast. So try to get your head on that work with an AI or something and build something that you remember from up there. Please God, like everybody do this. I'm working on the adaptive media learning platform that I experienced when I was on Mars. And we're far down the road. Like it's been three years in development. It's I've got the media generation part of it pretty much licked. What I found was that in the audio development, I spotted off into a whole another company and it's super powerful. And that's what I the by-nurals I have a remote viewing by neural. That was the first thing I ever made when I learned. They made us Mars imagine a great ET plugged me into a computer for my class. And I was going to watch an AI developed media that was going to give me questions, it lessons and questions that adapted to how well I learned it. So it didn't just say like, you know, this is this, what is it? Now what is it? Now what is it?

32:25A B or C? It would know that I got it wrong and then it would come back and adapt. It was adaptive. But they made me listen to a binaural tone for six minutes at the beginning of each day. Be like a 20 Hertz binaural. And I always remembered that and they said it helps you retain the the information a lot better. So I'm always built my own learning software with the intention that I'm going to have a binaural at the beginning for everybody's, you know, because it, hemi sink, it does greatly improve brain for performance. And they've done, I've been reading a gross study about a guy that cut the hemisphere as I'm an epileptic patient and it ended up being two different people. Oh wow. I have one side. Yeah, if you go read that, it's hard. That's hard. It's crazy. So one hemisphere behaved like a completely different person and was unaware. Like the hemisphere that didn't have verbiage couldn't read letters, couldn't read. So it behaved

33:26like a different person and they would lie to try to act like they were the same person. So it's crazy. So hemi sink, just think about that coming together. But the audio stuff that I've built is super duper powerful. And what I've done is we put subliminals in it. And just that alone is amazing. If you put a subliminal, you're, think about most manifestation techniques are your self talk. Like getting rid of negative words and dwelling on positive terms. Like you, you're healthy. You're perfectly healthy. You have a long life ahead of you. I could just put that subliminally in what you listen to all day and you're helpful and improve. And then I coupled it with with harmonics, the same as Dan Winters, Flamin' Mind, I think it's his Binaural app, but used his science of the phase caudric and pump wave, the same math of the harmonics going down to the plank distance by the golden ratio. And those are super powerful. So just the Binaurls are super powerful. But I put phase canceling

34:30military grade subliminals that are all positive. And on the website, on Sion, all the subliminals are available for you to go read. So they don't work as good if you read them. So if you buy one of the products, the healer, for instance, and you go and read the subliminal thing, it doesn't work as good. It's a cat, it's a chicken and egg. But you can have somebody read it for you because I don't put anything in there that's questionable. There's no secret. Like make sure you subscribe. There's none of that shit. And I made it fully transparent, which we don't get that, we don't get that luxury from the people that are giving us subliminals for the whole Super Bowl. Right. So I did it. For reality. For real. Because there's a moral, there's a real moral question when you can subliminally program people. When you have the technology to subliminally say, I can put this under my my Instagram reel. And you know, I'm saying, like, go sign up and do all this stuff. I'm the sexiest guy ever. Whatever you want to put in there, but there's a moral, there's a real moral

35:30slippery slope. And the way I got around that was in the fact on Syah, we put all every subliminal script always is fully available to the public. But that's just the audio part of that. And it's adapted. We have an app that's coming out that is going to be adaptive. It'll construct the binarrel and the subliminals and the music for what you put in what you want. And it'll learn your schedule and everything. We have an app. It'll be, we're hoping to have the first version by the end of the month. It's going to be gnarly. The app is pretty cool. Yeah, it's my plug. So what I gather from that is you have one of your frequencies has a subliminal overlay of telling you that you will never be like Arnold Schwarzenegger. How do you know? I'll never be like him. You can't see. It's you're already like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Now you can just worry about, yeah, you can move on. You're already one old guy. Yeah. Right. There is a self-esteem one. Yeah, no, that's that's super interesting. And like I think everything

36:34that you're moving into has already been accomplished. Probably another planets and these breakaway civilizations are like you said in previous interviews, even the internet was tested on other planets, right? Before they knew it was going to work here. Yeah, we're not the first. They know we're on a schedule. This whole world is on a schedule. They know exactly the people, the ET's that are up there that are you know, they they know exactly where we're at on the line. They know we're going to we have a we have a trajectory and there's one of five trajectories that we're going to hit. And they know exactly what's going on. They know what happens when the car got invented or you know, the cotton gin or whatever happened. They know when technology happens, what happens because of it. And they study I'm sure they study it. And when you think about it, I'm thinking of this out in real time as we're speaking because you guys are birds of a feather kind of thing. When we look at the conscious field, their theory consciousness as a field,

37:35a fundamental field of the universe, that explains a lot of the ET stuff like why they do other tests for consciousness. They how Bob Lazarus says we're containers of the sea field. So we're continue like there. Their the ET seem to be more interested in consciousness experiments than nuclear physics or anything else because they've solved all that stuff. So consciousness might be you know where it's at and probably the most important field to study. What was it that quantum physicist after some of the years of research he was trying to use mathematics to explain consciousness and he realized without consciousness there can be no mathematics. So it's like you know, it was that's what he did his ultimate conclusion is everything is born from the consciousness field or whatever you want to call it. Well, the local is the door to a new way of thinking about a lot of things. Well, and I always tell people the ancient people didn't know about aerodynamics, but they could watch birds fly. So they knew it was possible.

38:37So you know, Aristotle sat and watched the bugs and the birds fly by. So they knew it was possible that flight was possible, that there was something going on with that and you could breathe there, but they just didn't understand it beyond that and that's kind of where we're at with consciousness now. When we do remote viewing, the psychic stuff, you know, people are psychic and we we've been taught and honestly there's been pushback. I uncovered documents. I posted them maybe last year on social media that there was a real funded effort by the CIA to get rid of parapsychology studies on American campuses. They hired kids to demonstrate against parapsychology and say it was foolish and these professors that were offering these courses into psychic phenomenon canceled all of them. So there was a time when like a you know, a dozen colleges across America had courses, legit courses you could take in parapsychology and the CIA ran a ran a smearter campaign on the campuses with people protesting and got rid of it all and this was in the 70s, the late 60s and

39:41early 70s and there's a there's documents about it. You can go to the Freedom Information Act and ask it and so it's been hidden from us, you know, on purpose. They they really have a hidden it and it's a major part. We see it. We see the bird fly. We can do it when you remote view and you know and somebody's looking back at me. So we can do experiments. I've done tons of experiments with remote viewing where I do different variables and I take a you know seasoned heavyweight remote viewer and then a new one and then put them with a targetter and then change the variables. We did Yosemite, where I did the retreat and we went and sat at the bottom of Yosemite falls into high ion negative ion environments. It was all they killed it. You know, you can change the environment. Radio frequencies matter for remote viewing and before I nerd out get too far into that but all of it is based on information that I found looking for looking for proof of being an

40:43in your current when I was 10 years old when I was also in Willis, Michigan when I was 10 years old. I witnesses there. How could I know that stuff if the 20 and back thing wasn't real? And it all goes that back to that and it's just so happens that the technology that I remember has turned into the audio program, the learning program and the remote viewing programs and which are now forecasting programs. So that's where I put all my work these days. I'm not out there chasing and I'll be frank. We're going to breach a new subject right now. I'll be frank and rude about it. The SSP community has its head in its ass and it's not worth chasing for the fight of it all. Everybody's ego's got it in the way and everybody's fighting over no myelians, they're better near aliens. Who gives a shit? What you know what I mean? Nobody's trying to all for proof but everybody's trying to they're not real. I'm real and we got all this ego

41:46competition and these fakes, people that are fakes that are dissivots all by design, operation and oblivion I believe is absolutely real. And so I've stepped away from it. You know, I'm by myself in the line of fire and I'm friends with all you guys and I'm friends with you guys the people that you don't like and there's your friends with people that I got into fights with that I that I'm like, hey, fine, you know, go go your own way and I don't wish that on anybody. It's not worth it. It's not worth fighting over. We've all presented our information and the SSP community was made a laughing stock with all the infighting. Yeah. And intentionally I 100% agree with project oblivion and basically what that is is for people that who don't know it's an orchestrated effort to put people against each other subliminally like, you know, I mean and there's lots of way to over yeah lots of ways but using very sophisticated technologies I'll say that. And I do think it worked and you know instead of uniting and you know fighting for the cause

42:46everyone's fighting each other and it's like this is the same old playbook they've been using forever but it's just adapted for this specific community and you know, then it gets made a mockery of and that's why we made the documentary and that's why we went back to the basics and made it make sense and focused on people in the military because you know, and escaptic is more likely to listen to somebody and they had military time than just some everyday person off the street right. So it's just like just like why you listen to the doctor in a white lab coat like it's psychologically there's something to that and whether or not it's you know, it's a good thing or a bad thing it works and so it's important that we build a case and you know, show some evidence my good listen, this is the stuff that you can chase on the ground without even getting off planet and and give people rabbit holes to go down and they can go research some of these military bases that people claim to have been at and then some of the you know companies they work for and stuff and then

43:49you follow if you're a good researcher you can start to connect some dots and see how it's all tied together straight into their space you know corporations and all that stuff so it's there but it's important that we we build that foundation and just get it out to the world because this little community right like it's been divided amongst itself and it's just not it's not healthy it's toxic and from the outside looking in you know, it's almost it laughable sometimes and we know it's real so we're it was this is an effort to make people take it seriously again and I think you know, that's kind of where we're that's our mission with this all is we know it's real and there's a way to deliver this without without pushing people away. Amen. I think that a lot of the people that saw it from the beginning, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 12 years ago, whatever we started learning about the secrets base program, people that watched it ever since the trajectory of it and the the way where it's turned to now a lot of injected with a lot of nonsense you know, understand

44:54the level of you know how it got pulled apart. Well people that just show up and yeah, frankly, there's more people that don't know that discover it all the time that are like they come in now mid kind of midstream and there's not a good information source. There's not a there's not a consistency of information and I'm not calling anybody false. I'm just saying we lost that consistency so it looks it's just overwhelming. What 20 years? Wait a minute, wait, you were living where and so a lot of people are just confused and then to boot there is false information you know, sprinkled in front of everybody and I think it looks like false information might take over completely. Well that's what I mean, that's what gets there's an effort on the back end to promote that stuff just like Bob was R said and the files he was showing like he was even told that there's this information in this in these classified documents that you're reading. So he

45:55had to determine what was real or what was not just from what he was given on the inside. Yeah, real quick on that. Yeah, he knew there was disinfo sprinkled in and many many insiders have said this and there's multiple reasons they do that and what Bob said a really good point. One of them is that they'll put in some disinfo specific to you so they know if you ever speak or if this information ever gets out somebody's talking about it, they know it came from you and they can trace it back. So they that's a huge reason they do that and then also they want they want to muddy the waters they want it they want it's it's almost more about it's it's not just about getting people to believe the wrong things. I mean that is definitely a thing as well but it's it's almost more about getting people so confused and not knowing what to believe that you just don't believe anything you don't believe anything you just throw it all out. So the baby has the bath water right yeah right it becomes unpalatable that's right and that's kind of what we've

46:55seen happen 100 yeah we've seen that a lot unfortunately yeah right all the more reason for us to keep going and that's true and yeah do it and I see it as a responsibility at this point is you know there's just too much to ignore and if people aren't out there putting connecting those dots and putting things together like our documentary or whatever it is still work you're doing it then then people will get lost and that's you know that's what we're at. Are you going to make another documentary? Yeah probably I mean there's it's it's a monument it's a monumental effort in a lot of time and hours money and stuff like that but I don't know which specific direction I will go with it yeah it would probably be a follow-up to obviously the last one but I've tossed a few ideas around but did you have a suggestion? Is that why you asked? No I'm dying begging for the sequel whether I'm in it or not it doesn't matter I'd love to see you guys do it like you're

47:56on to something you have a certain style about the way you do stuff and it's it's unique and it's genuine it's like you you should crank these out man I mean right yeah thank you thank you thank you I would love to do a sequel another one right man they're gonna work but it's worth it yeah so there's two ways we can go with it I've thought about this we so we could continue and take the testimonies even further and get deeper into the testimonies or essentially go backwards and do a whole history of like the secret space program really like the German part of it and the Navy Spice you know really show people where this all came from how the technology how the technology how we got this technology and how I got developed out because that's what a lot people have a hard time believing is they just don't they like well we don't have that advanced technology that's ridiculous you know that's sci-fi a lot of it's not we kind of do we do and it's easy to prove like you said yeah so you guys you

48:57guys know Jackie Kenner who is my editor I talked to her well great once it once in a great while and I forget what I was doing I when we were doing the Sion website I say hey check let me know what you think of this because she's got a lot of marketing experience right she said I'm not even gonna look at it well I could tell you to make it simpler I was like well she's the Tony everything you do is too complicated and so I kind of moped around for like three four days I was like no I'm not complicated right and I started realizing yeah I even use in my chat she'd be tea prompt or my AI prompts because I use Grock to it's a she it tells it to me like I'm 12 years old and you know simplifying it and I think like like I said at some point we're preaching to the choir when we're talking to people that are watching today but there's a few billion people that have no idea what we're talking about it's those that we need to make our media for you know like a document like you said going backwards and you know tell it to them like they're 12 years old yeah make it the prequel to the make a prequel right to beyond the green door yeah yeah yeah I like that idea and

50:05I think like reaching the new market is reaching a world and I the reason I wanted to do that and get on the streaming platforms are we wanted to do that is because you look at you follow me now in disclosure on x x is like the town square of the world like Elon says that's very true like everything like you want the news you go there and or see what's happening what people are talking about where is the conversation today and if you can inject this subject seriously into that town square then I think you're on to something and if you're gonna gain some traction and so I'm you know we it's great what we've built and everybody that helped us get where we are but it's time to like start thinking about okay how is this how are we gonna get this out to the world that's the way I see it so I love the fact that you know building making content or media as you say to reach the skeptics and simplifying it that's very true and it was funny about Jackie too whenever I was writing my books she was helping me with some stuff and she said all right now I want you

51:08to put your whole PDF into chat GPT and then ask it be brutally honest tell me why this book sucks and I that's what I did a chat GPT didn't it breaks down your book and then tells you what what could be better about it how you can read we whatever we work it and it worked though it's like yeah you don't want to see your book criticize before it's even out but it's AI for one so a few and then two and then two it really helped me because I'm like oh there's actually some good points here if I just tweaked it slightly so you know AI has its advantages as far as that goes but just interesting to use it in that way yeah I'm not anti AI I think a lot of the and I don't know where you guys are I have a watcher show Lily I don't know where you're at with data centers I think a lot of the negative push on data centers is the race the weapons race imagine if the Manhattan project was

52:09public imagine we had social media and we were developing the nuclear bomb you'd have all these German memes talking about nuclear power is bad for the environment don't research nuclear power get them out of your town like you know what I'm saying look close alamos should be shut down like we'd have all these other countries that are trying to compete with us in the rate arms race trying to slow it down I think that's what's going on largely with the data centers because all their cut whoever gets their first is going to stay there whoever gets to the vertical integration of a GI of AI even if it's in by a few minutes even if the United States gets it at 11 o'clock in the United and the Chinese get it at 11 o'clock they'll never ever catch us in technology ever again like it's that big of a deal and so where in our arms race right now that it's not a court we looks like corporate stuff because it's public because they need public information to make it work we're feeding the AI it's information us right and so yeah I'm not

53:14anti AI I think I think I have some problems like anything but I think it's here to stay you know I think AI is a wonderful thing and I so I always tell the guys if I'm playing a video game that I'm gonna have my Tesla bot cheek for me and play my video game for me one day kick the ass one day it'll be my I'm gonna hand the controller to my Tesla bot he's gonna kick your ass a little kid you little shit well yeah it's a tool right it's a tool yeah it's a tool or bad neither it's a tool it's neutral it's how you use it and a lot of people are worried understandably are worried about the mass surveillance and control and you know all this which is our agenda is going on unfortunately but you know that doesn't make AI bad that's just how they're using the tool right so the tool needs to be used in a positive way in constructive way for humanity rather than to abuse and control and manipulate and you know I think a lot of the surveillance fight also is

54:18that ship is sailed the reason they're having the reason they're using flat cameras is because they don't want to pay Apple the fee to access the data on your phone because your phone knows where you're at and how fast you're going and has your identity and everything more than a flat camera has but a flat camera is its closed loop thing that they they could just pay once and it's cheap to run after that they just don't want to pay the big tech but you're you don't have any privacy right now if you have a cell phone yeah or if you're or if you're alive or if you're alive yeah really just yeah you have the illusion of privacy or things that you've never really had you know our privacy is rigged um right all right that's a good you're in this matrix but you're in this matrix to change it you know so like but you got to understand the matrix you're in look we're developing apps I'm developing the app for cyan there's a remote viewing app of mm-hmm so and I'm thinking like how do you sell the data I don't even know how to go about that

55:22so I don't even mess with any of that but I'm thinking how would you even do that well who who does that right but it seems to be a major economic factor on a lot of apps like they don't care about you paying them a dime because they just want your data because it's so valuable it's worth gold right and yeah and they have it anyway when you even check all the boxes when you buy a new phone and say yes I agree to this and agree to that and agree to this and um you know so it's there's no way around it really but going back to the data centers like yeah you know so many people are like absolutely just up in arms about it right but I'm just thinking of of it like I think of everything else in the world there's so much more that we don't understand behind the reasoning for them you know some people say the locations of them are above the underground bases and they're going to be power and the underground bases maybe maybe they could be used if we just change our perspective slightly maybe they could actually be a really good thing in the future if we're going to move into this star track sort of future and they can play integral

56:25integral role in the infrastructure as far as where we're going technologically I mean Elon Musk is talking about building that massive building in Texas it's like I forgot how many miles is going to be biggest building on earth two and a half miles yeah so we don't think it can all look like a bad thing at first but maybe it doesn't have to be and I don't know enough about it to actually like I know what we can gather from the surface and what they tell us but that's just the surface cover story most likely and there's a deeper reasoning behind it all and maybe even a dire reason maybe it does some sort of a war a strategic war advantage for either side of for doing this and and maybe it could help maybe these data centers could help stop an AI a negative AI from taking over maybe it can be doing that oh yeah there's a lot of stuff for that I think that when you look at the past behavior of the elites they don't want to pay for stuff so they have their money and they

57:27want to spend their money to manipulate people to pay for it so they want it it's cheaper to have a political campaign to have people vote in a data center for the taxpayers to give it a tax break and put it there they want to develop these on our dime basically for the for the big thing but looking at everything positive and negative I'm also like to get away from the boogie man around every corner which a lot of people think everything and I lost I've had friends of mine that were really good friends that just they were like everything was the boogie man and they just I don't want to talk about it anymore and they you just lose them you know like there's a point where you have a psychological break when you think everything in the world is rigged and it's just evil boogie man around the corner and my soul is going to get snatched by the moon kind of thing you're in our mode like all the time 24 and see people like that yeah yeah I mean the life isn't worth living like that it's one thing you know right it's but what I'm saying is the data centers require power and we talk about getting free energy or new forms of power upgrading our power grid now there's

58:32a reason now there's a valid reason and so we've never had to valid reason before they weren't going to build that many factories to make that many cars or or anything a kind of product so we never had the reason to build out our power grid and but these data centers do so at the same time a data center happens it's like they have to upgrade your local power grid too and so this opens the door to all kinds of new technologies that are down down the road so I mean what I don't think it's some grand plan of benevolent plan right but I think it's just the way that nature of what you know there's a there's a natural economical evolution and the need for power means that we need more of power grid will we start with the electric cars did it you know yeah I mean started about California but if we have free energy the free energy tech that we've had it for a long time it's just being hidden when is that going to be you know because that to me real discolored is reading less yeah it's like unless we have we start using the technologies we've had for

59:34100 years to actually benefit humanity rather than like oh these is this is kept by this hidden group and we just keep you in this like Truman show reality like that have changed at some point right well I'm of the belief that if like I don't think we're going to get disclosure like that like they're just going to turn the key over and so here's everything that we have that we've been lying to you about there's no it's not going to happen like that yeah they're building an infrastructure for one to support all that stuff on a mass scale but two it's going to be done there's a order of operations right there has to it has to make sense to the average person who hasn't been following along to this you know shadow government narrative the whole time and they have to it needs to make sense on how we got there and it's much easier for them because now they don't have to come out and say yeah we've been lying you know they can say oh look what we're developing look what our research has where it has taken us you know and it's going to be painted that way a lot of the influence on us is fear-based even in the UFO community in the you know it's

1:00:40fear-based and so we see anti other stuff come out that is like don't be afraid and what I found is that like I said I just at a certain point I just kind of took the mantle off it's not on my shoulders to be the only guy that talks about being abducted and does this stuff right right so it's not up to me and when I got rid of that and I started you know all the things that I was afraid of happening you know they're gonna lie to us they're gonna they're gonna come and get me for what I did for me telling the truth telling my story and all these things like at a certain point I had to make up on my conscience it was not be afraid of it because it was consuming my day-to-day life and I got stuff to do and just letting go of it all and kind of just focusing on my near perspective around me believe me Sedona was enough cause for fear for me you know it's a different experience for other people but for me it was like you know an app right and so I was afraid and after letting

1:01:42go of it all it's like once you get that that overlying anxiety out of the way you're free to go on and build stuff yeah and actually get your life in order so yeah I mean I don't know what I'm preaching or so far. I would say one of the number one reasons we get attacked is for being too positive sometimes like people genuinely get mad when we talk about a positive future are we we see something that happens with the Trump administration or not even that just anything in the world and we if we have a positive perspective on it man people do not like that it's like like they it all cost like it has to be a bad thing like you said like it has to be that boogeyman and and if we don't if we're not on that same page with them then they quite literally attack us and and it's just wild to see yeah I'm the same way I well if we're not people bond

1:02:42through hating a common enemy through hatred right right so when they're getting together they want to start hating stuff and people bond to is like a natural man. They're trauma bond yeah so it also creates us first then so if you're not in their group of like everything's horrible all the time and the enemy they think if you don't believe the same thing then that means you're the enemy it's like anyone outside of this group is is the enemy it creates this automatic us first them and now you're the enemy if you're outside of this what I believe it's cancel culture and just look and look at charm exactly it well we've seen it we've seen it in our testimonies they'll come forward so we've seen that in the testimonies it's but there were provocateur people that show up at conferences that cause rumor and trouble and this and that and you know people always asking me what do you think about this guy what do you think about this testimony and there's a lot of them I don't think much of but it's not my job to go and sift through everything

1:03:42like it was my job to present my information right research it and try to present it and I have it with evidence so that a 12 year old could understand it and I think I did that largely but then on the been asked to me all the stuff that I learned from it turned into a whole another career in another direction yeah right so it's also not our job to attack to go to publicly attack people constantly and tell people who not to follow and like I see a lot of this in the community it's it's they spend more time attacking other people and telling people who's bad making lists of bad I just see this like shared recently this list of all the bad people being shared all the I wasn't on media what's that I don't think I made the list I know you weren't you weren't but I was a very awesome bomb people that I love and I know we're great we're on that list me too I know there were people on there I was like no we'll get out of here there but people but then you got people going oh I'm so glad I'm not on the list and I commented on a couple I'm like well what if you what if what if you were on that list what would you think of the list then how about the

1:04:46whole concept of sharing lists let's you know right this is not how it works because anyone can make a list and then share it around and then you just shut up your discernment go okay these are all the bad people I don't want to follow right I was gonna say I'll revise it and send out my own list later today yeah right right right I mean speaking of this there's a certain individual very popular on SSP individual who unfortunately did a lot of damage who used to make his own list and you would almost always be on that yeah those are the little for you good those are the little days I stopped following you because I was a fan of him at the time and I thought oh well Corey saying he's a fraud so oh okay I guess that means he might be right just stop see from looking in literally I watched like one interview and then I saw Corey say you were a fraud or stealing his info or whatever he said and I was like oh I show off my discernment I fell for it and then until a little bit later I was like I think I think you this guy is legit you know and then you know

1:05:51I start seeing like the ego there and I and then you as you describe like that's become such a problem in the your sense of so many people just I've gone down that path what's truly yes that's true a lot of people are don't care about educating the audience they care about getting the attention from the audience yes it's not about the truth it's about being right for them yes exactly and it's a big chasm and it's a problem right now I think it's our biggest problem right now is that people are trying to get attention rather than push disclosure forward right for one but the Corey good stuff happens so long ago that I got a thick skin back and though because I was devastated I looked up to him when he was coming I was completely devastated when he attacked me and nobody knew me back then I was very well it'll be very small and like and so I went kind of went through it by myself but then later on five six seven years later other people got attacked by people and I'm like oh it's nothing don't worry about it just take your time and just just polish your own

1:06:52act don't worry about somebody else's exact polish yourself and that's what that's what that's what really shines later on is your own polish right not only somebody else and the right people will see that and you know well we'll know you're real and know you're genuine and it doesn't matter what the people the haters think they're always gonna have hit there's always going to be haters don't matter what they say what about it what we're not saying we're on the same vibe Tyler no matter how it went about or why right if Corey was an agent or disinfo or stealing his agent or genuine he gave us a lot he gave a lot of he opened the mind of a lot of people there was a big progress with the work that him and the late David Wilcox did right and so it opened up the really a big chunk of consciousness to the reality of the secret space program he gave us a lot yeah whether it was an eye for whatever does it matter I mean that's the reason Tyler I are even doing this yeah really the reason we met and the reason we formed the show and it's true

1:07:56let alone SSV you know well it's not not necessarily because of Corey but what he inspired with us like that are just what that message what that movement whatever it was well I mean like the conference we met at was the big headliners were David Corey and Emory right and we were fans of cosmic disclosure at the time and we're like oh I gotta go to this conference and then that's where we meet and then we start the podcast you know it's like right so it all it all played a role and and you know a lot of that stuff I look at too whenever you first get attacked it's devastating heart breaking and but there's lessons in that and then it's up to you and how are you gonna pull yourself back out of that but also it's preparing you for this field of just a truth movement in general I'm not talking about any communities here I'm talking about the global truth movement because this happens everywhere it's preparing you for what to expect like it's it's not it's cutthroat it's hard and especially in the age of the internet when people you know they'll say things to you that they would never say to your face you know so and

1:08:59you know emotionally destroying people whatever like you have to unfortunately like you kind of feel like you have to walk through that fire doing this work in order to be able to like it's it's testing you like are you built for it are you gonna keep doing this like can you handle it and if you can then it's you can really look at it as something to be grateful for and in preparing you for you know the years ahead it's the price yeah right you know I don't know what happened because of me you know people asked me what happened people asked hey did anybody happen this too and I said yeah me and they asked me what happened and I told and repeat rinse repeat and I don't know what that did to other people but a lot of people came to me and it worked with me since and I learned a lot from them and was able to point things out that they didn't they weren't aware of so a lot of people went through this 20 and back or their own version of abduction and just nobody would listen to them or make any sense of it and they just needed somebody to listen that knew something about it and then I look at common and I'm and I always pay attention

1:10:01still that's the biggest thing nobody pays attention to when it happened when it happened again and when you snapped out of it and so I paid attention to that and I pointed out to people and that was like my service I did for years and um we're it's gonna get worse you know I like the numbers are gonna blow up the more that people learn about it and so it's a it's a big part of being a human right now is that we're under the boot of secret ET existence and it can be bad it's a bad thing I mean what if they went to does anybody ever give them thought to maybe they went to Eisenhower and said look if you if the ET's I said look if you tell your people that we exist we're gonna wipe out the world you all be dead of course that would justify the secrecy like any president would be like okay we won't tell them and go through all this lengths of trouble to wear around I mean what if that's the kind of threat we're under that we just don't realize they don't want to tell us because everybody's be squity me and they're gonna kill us right like that never comes up and that's could be that could be a reality for all we know that the ET's are like but

1:11:05this is how it is and you guys are gonna tell this lot you're gonna get off the damn moon that and you know and you're gonna say that nothing happened and we're gonna hide your moon rocks and you're gonna have this you can have gasoline or we're gonna wipe you out we're gonna drop a virus on there and you'll all be dead in a weekend and say maybe that's a reality that we're just not aware of so the the people that we see are bad guys that are holding us the secret might be closet good guys you know what I'm saying like low-key good guys that are trying to help they're just making sense of impossible problems well uh real quick Aaron and I know you want to say something but the show Stargate SG1 there's a lot of disclosure in that show but like every so many episodes like once a season maybe you know they have some scenario where the earth is literally on the verge of being destroyed or attacked or something right and then they saved like we in behind the scenes they saved the world and they they keep everybody living peacefully and nobody knows

1:12:06that anything happened and in one occasion there was like these lights in the sky from one of the battles or something and they just explain them away as something else but they literally saved the entire planet from being destroyed and in that episode I just wonder how many times has something like that actually maybe happened you know and maybe not maybe that just makes for good TV but we can certainly speculate on it and maybe you know that could justify some of the secrecy in a sense but that doesn't mean that it's moral and right and you know that's a whole conversation with themselves but you know I do think you're onto something and Aaron you were gonna say something yeah well there was so a lot of people know there was the Brookings report which was a 1960 report that was commissioned by NASA actually I mean that should tell you everything you know it's it's a BS thing but you know it makes sense on one level because the whole the whole point of it was if if we make contact with ET's or we discover ET's should we tell the public or should we not

1:13:11and it kind of like went through that and then the conclusion that came to was no we absolutely should not because it would destroy the economy it would collapse all the institutions it would there would be mass panic and chaos and it would like it would cause a and to be fair if you know it's the way the disclosure happens like if it yeah if it happened that way where all of a sudden everything's dumped on you all once or you may as not prepared for it it's not done the right way it could it could be very destructive right but then what the bad guys do is of course that's a justification for oh we're never going to even work towards trying to you know like you you people can't handle the truth right so we're just going to and we're gonna keep manipulating you behind the scenes and all this stuff but I think the good guys both the good ET's and the calm the the white hats whatever turning on a con humans that are working towards disclosure and working for you at least working for humanity no one's perfect I don't think it's black and white right I

1:14:13think there's lots of shades of gray but if you want to say like people like us three who we want to see humanity thrive and the manipulation to end and the secrecy to go with you know to where like we can all benefit from a peaceful world with this advanced technology and like have open contact right they want to they want to work towards disclosure but they know it has to be done the right way so they're not gonna they they still know like okay at this point in time we're not ready for like full disclosure and to just dump everything but we have to work towards that and we have to work towards eliminating this cabal or getting them out of power so that they can't keep pushing these dark agendas and and keep abusing and you know they'll kill off 90% of the probably you know or whatever all these dark agendas that are going on the covid jabs and all these things so there are definitely factions going on ones working to further enslave humanity and keep the enslavement going and keep that going and then making it worse and worse for us and better for

1:15:16them and then the others working towards the freeing humanity in my opinion but doing it in the right way and disclosure in the right way but that takes time and it's a process so I think they're both simultaneously going on right now and that's why things are so confusing that's yeah there's all this stuff going on at the same time we're caught in the middle of someone else's war exactly and both EETs both positive and negative you could say EETs at the same time I think are behind the scenes look I get bombarded with political stuff constantly so much that I put down social media I'm like you know I can only do 10 or 10 minutes and I'm just sick of seeing the politics or yes exist hating hate the other sex I hate man I hate women whatever all men are bad all women are bad right yeah social engineering it's a social engineering to divide and I try to look at it like why would they do this I always ask that question so if I'm seeing all this stuff why obviously the political stuff they want your vote so that's why obviously when you're seeing political

1:16:17stuff constantly it's because they want your vote and they want to count it before it gets cast they want to know that you look at so much of this content that you're likely going to vote this way right it's that's logical right you look the sexist stuff we have we'll count on population contraction going on around the world and when you look at the history of it before we had all our wars we had population exploded so we had population spikes about 18 to 20 years before every major conflict if he goes back you can look that so I look at why now why the immigration in all of the first world countries from the third world and you think well it's a it's a third world country or a takeover that they're and it is I'm sold on their end on that way but really it's economic balancing well this is my theory this is I'll say this is a theory they are engineering the world before disclosure and currently currently we have countries in the world that live with a certain economical level at a way of life so we're in the United States so we expect to call the repairman

1:17:20and have them come out and fix our shit but there's a lot of people that don't live in that and they don't have a repairman and they don't have spare parts so they get out and build their own so they're you know what I mean it's a water pump it's not a electrical pump right this is power grid and so those people that are invading technically invading these countries what they find is something called we get the word it's something called fun to displacement or something whatever money displacement and they know that a certain amount of so if you have a million immigrants in a cut from from a third world country into a first world country there's a dollar amount that the third world country goes up in GDP because they send their money back they go and get a job and they send their money back to grandma and they can spend money there and the GDP goes up on everybody there and so there is a silver lining in this thing so it's it could be a takeover it could be the boogeyman it could be the elites wanting to kneecap us but it also has a positive effect is

1:18:27that these countries that these people are coming out of that are war torn that are in poverty less than a dollar a day they're sending money that they're coming here and making a hundred a day 200 a day and they're sending money back there and it's having a huge economical impact on those countries so there's a silver lining and I always look at things as like why I go well that's really not the bad you know as long as it's really not that bad here with all the immigration and you see all this stuff when I went to Europe I didn't see anything they make it look like France is this war torn Paris is I didn't see anything like that when I was there you know so we are we're blended we're seeing a blend and if you were an ET civilization or ET group a federation or whatever you want to call it because then believe me galactic federation or diamond doesn't there isn't one or two groups up there that's in charge of all of its spaces a lot bigger than we think it is their diamond doesn't so you get a million planets that work together well there's a billion of those groups so they come down here with the first thing they would want to see us

1:19:29is integrate our way of life why would why should one society be benefit from their technology and another society of really more and morally great people so I'm in California and they made it sound like before I got here that the Latinos that all moved here from South America came through that it was like this crime wave and I every Latino culture that I've come across the Galveston has been wonderful they're wonderful people honestly and I'm not advocating illegal immigration because I don't believe in that either I'm not advocating for it I'm just saying I haven't seen the boogie man I haven't met the boogie man and so we could be seeing social engineering from an international entity in the on behalf of proxy of an intergalactic entity that's my that's my point I'm just thinking why just kind of thinking out what we're seeing because nothing makes sense these days yeah but still is like so badly why would you do that right so you look at the long game always and it's a lot of things are like I said the boogie man isn't as bad as we think it is

1:20:35yeah yeah at the end of the day I think we have we have all the power like we have the power there's way more of us than there are the so-called them right and if you want to simplify all of this it's that we've all been asleep at the wheel for so long and they've taken and taken advantage of that they're like okay we can just manipulate these sleepwalkers you know just so they don't realize they're driving the ship right the second enough of us realize that we take our power back you can't game over right it's like we are creating the reality they're just manipulating us into creating a reality that they want us to create to simplify everything you know so it's like start creating the reality you want to create right not somebody else not what you're told to create not what you're told to be afraid of not what you're told to support blah blah blah create the reality that you the deep down you truly wants and focus on that right and enough of us do that that's the newer yeah the only one you to um worry about the volcano not your yard and you

1:21:37should worry about your yard it's not the volcano everybody's got a volcano nearby exactly and so you don't know if it's it might go off man you gotta be ready for that you gotta have you gotta be but in the meantime you're wasting your time thinking about it all the time it's a volcano it might not have go off you just take your yard and everything's cool I think we have it made by and large I think a most people that complain in the world really haven't made like it could always be worse we're way better off than we were a hundred years ago and a hundred years before that etc and I think we live in an amazing time if you really apply yourself people that are struggling financially don't shun AI go and ask it tell what your story say I'm broke I need some money what can I do to generate some funds right now and let it help you use the tools we have today because your grandpa didn't and he was outbusting his ass so use what we've got here we have the ability to do so many things like I didn't get schooling so I couldn't I never learned

1:22:38they'll job the math the long form you know what I mean like the Einstein the algebraian yeah the equation I just can't do that stuff but now I have AI to does it but I have a I have observed experience for my lifetime of doing stuff like I covered a lot of ground and so I can be like wait a minute and AI does the math work out there and so now I'm just as smart as those guys work and so I'm saying just manipulate play the play the game play it win yeah yeah I love that exactly yeah I mean it's it traveling changes your perspective on the world too like and then really when you it puts things put your life into perspective as well and you realize that you don't have a bad at all and when you go to some of these terrible countries and the things that we find ourselves complaining about I have to catch myself sometimes and like bro like you literally got like you're living a life that people dream of sometime you know not saying my life is perfect but like I'm I'm happy and you know I've made it for myself and I feel like you know the things I decide to

1:23:41complain about are so like it's just kind of a slap in the face to other parts of the world that are really struggling you know so it puts it really kind of humbles you in a way whenever you can like see the world through the lens of the people and in those situations and it's I think it's a great thing to do and and like somebody said you it's impossible to travel and be a racist yeah because once you spend time with these other cultures and experience these people you understand their beautiful souls right so it's just really on you know where you're at and how you decide to view the world what lens that is it's true and I think that's my biggest thing that I'd take people off with all the time because I'm like quick complaining you got to make what are you talking about well so everybody else has a better than me I'm like well all they did was A B and C just go do A B and C you'll be just like them you can join them we think that also there's some spiritual or like you can't get wealth or or fame or the things that you want because it's rigged

1:24:49it's about how you have to be Hollywood and you have to sell out your soul all right so your soul for success that's not the case no I mean yeah if you want to go get in a Marvel movie or something I don't know right I don't know how that works but if you want to just be successful and pay the bills and get the big house you can go do it but there's no there's not spell keeping you out of money man if you're struggling being jealous of somebody else doesn't do any good for anybody you should the way you fix it is to be happy for them you don't know what somebody paid to get better often you they pay the price and if you're not willing to pay the price they're always going to be better often you but if you just go and pay up and do your thing you can get there too there's no right it's a big illusion right it's a big illusion well we've kind of gotten more of a philosophical standpoint here but hey that's your next your next documentary is the philosophy of journey to truth philosophy of the perfect yeah anyway yeah so just to kind of recap a little bit you know we

1:25:52restarted off talking about the documentary and I just want to remind people so if you are interested in watching it it's called a lifetime of silence behind a green door and it can be found on I mean you can download the Fossum app Fossum are awesome with the letter F in front of it and watch it and you're living room now and it's a big deal for us and we're trying to get on to other streaming platforms but if you want to watch it without ads you can just buy it outright for 999 on our patreon and you don't have to even be a member you can just buy it as a product and that can be found through our website journey to truth.online and it has everything else that we do there but you know the the film the documentary going back to that it's you know we're grateful that you are a part of it Tony and you know with definitely I think we have some ideas for a follow-up now but I just wanted to thank you for being here today and and really just you know everything that you're doing and we appreciate you. You're doing that mental out to me for us to go out there and have a witness to go to Inyo Kurn because it was a bit of

1:26:54evidence there and I want to say that I won't go back to Inyo Kurn. I wouldn't even. I guarantee that I guarantee that we got in trouble for that man like they took like my life took a weird turn right after that within days and all these people contacting me and joining my patreon and it turned out that it was a giant op and we'd get into that pay you know call me paranoid or whatever but you know they brought some things to bear on us like that guy sitting in the diner staring at us like that was a weird they knew they were there doing what we were doing and they knew that we were um dipping our toes in the pool of um classified projects that should have that is still illegal to undo and uh so I got the hit you know I got a message received I won't be going back to rich crest even though there's still a big great deal of evidence there behind it and if I can prove that it proves the 20 and back it proves aliens it proves a lot it proves it you know the whole

1:27:56thing the whole nine right and um we did that so that was a huge your documentary is huge and I think the magnitude of that still hasn't been recognized for what we did yeah yeah well thank you and yeah I mean it was it was I was happy to be a part of that trip and and be filming that and and witnessing it and feeling the emotion and you know being there is totally different in seeing it on camera like I watched the scene when we're going through the portable and it didn't it doesn't look like it felt it felt like intense like we were breaking the law like my heart was beaten but it we just seemed so kind of calm in the video it felt like we were in there for 20 minutes right we were in there for like one minute right don't fast yeah but that was the place I remembered it how could I remember it if I if it didn't exist if the 20 back thing wasn't real how could I know that place right as well you know yep right yeah I know it and that's why we included that in the film because that's a huge piece of evidence so anyway let everybody know where they can

1:28:59find you your websites and and how they can follow you online and stuff right on the little plug so 20 red rigs.com has links to all my books and my patreon I teach but I don't even call it teaching like well I host remote viewing groups and workshops I mean I'm up to like four or five or five a week now and you know there's like 70 remote viewers in there doing that I'm I put through my patreon we do live zoom calls and we practice remote viewing it's a blast it's a ton of fun I do other projects we have professional remote viewing we're doing forecasting and remote viewing we're successful at it and then the maple street learning is maple street learning dot com or dot ink maple street learning I don't know it's under development but cyan dot com is the one that got the makeover it has the app and check that out all the cyan products are really cool we get tons of great people that are just blown away and they we get they write us letters every week

1:30:00and saying man I was skeptical and I bought it because there were like 50 bucks a pop I bought your product and I man it's changed me I love it so thank you so much you know we're getting all these that come to us people the technology is really powerful the audio technology is really really powerful and so I got high hopes for the app it's coming in another month or two and it'll be on that website and basically every dime the cyan dot com ever made I rolled back into the marketing to have the website look pretty nice so the break even thing yeah but it's a neat technology and I'll be made there's a lot more of that to come so I'm very proud of that the work we've done awesome and we'll put all those links in the description for anybody who's interested and yeah thanks for joining us today it's been a while it's been a while since we've had you on the show but I mean you still I mean we used to have you on all the time I remember and it was quite a bit so if anybody is interested in the in the full testimony just go back through our library and check out some of those older episodes in fact the very first time we had you on for that two part thing

1:31:03you know we were still new to this and you were yeah obviously younger in your journey too and it really we did it a job going through the whole thing in those first two episodes so if anybody wants to uh 101 and 102 if anybody wants to hear Tony's kind of full story I remember that yeah because I remember it was right after episode 100 yeah we had you on for it two parts so it was 101 and 102 and now that we got our channel back thank god our main channel on youtube uh the original well I think we re-uploaded it on the other one anyway but you got the original comments and everything on there cool uh you guys can go back and find that if you want to find watch Tony's story and get get more of your you're at the meat of your story and experience yeah yeah I definitely and then we've had him on a number of times since then about other events so probably like five or six yeah at least time since then yeah but but it was big catching up again and seeing where you're at today and we appreciate that and uh yeah this was awesome any final words before we wrap it up um

1:32:06so there's a lot of stuff I don't talk about in the disclosure world and uh hold your hat so it's there's things in the works that are along that line where I'm going to get disclosure it's not going to be the way that we think it is and the same way like I said the same way that the UAP told us that the physics are real we're going to get other things that tell us that the ETs are real and where people are working on it on there there's a grassroots behind the scenes with people that have contact and so there's a grassroots thing but I can't really we it's the big secret and uh it's in the works man and it's come a long way so there are projects for disclosure to happen whether a government likes it or not boom cliffhanger right there stay tuned for that yeah thank you Tony and looking forward to that and thank you guys all thank you guys all for being here we appreciate you we love you can't do this without you and until next time have a great evening good night