347: MALE MELTDOWN, LINDSAY CLANCY "COPYCATS" & AI IS GOING TO KILL US ALL?

0:00substances. I spent the last week running from the heat With the beat beats coming alive Let's be lost tonight The blues on my ride

1:00I'm going to be on the track I'm going to be on the track Hello, Wacos, welcome to another episode Your first September 2026 episode In fact, of without a country I am Corinne Fisher, I'm a podcast, comedian, and former 2025 NYC mayoral candidate Welcome to the show, thanks for being here We do live stream this show most Wednesdays We have a show every Wednesday We really try to live stream it every Wednesday Usually at 5 p.m. Eastern But today we're doing it a bit earlier Because I got to go to this I was asked to perform at the Serratica literature event I don't know if it's free if you want to go on Brooklyn tonight This is, it's actually really good people are involved

2:03It's for a company called Chino's It's just funny because I love what they're doing But what people think that I like And what I actually like are so different I just want someone to invite me to have a special effects of gash Across my chest and walk around half nude At like monster poloosa And do fake stab things That's what I'm interested in And they're like, hey, do you want to, I picked a really fun story They're excited for the story that I picked It is male on male Which is, you know, because I'm not trying to read anything about women We don't want to objectify women like this But if there was a man on man story, I was into that anyway That's why we're live streaming early welcome to without a country Has nothing to do with any of those things But we're going to be talking about a lot tonight Before I get into the meat of the show Which I mean we have Lindsey Clancy updates

3:03AI is trying to kill us Germany and you know is moving Rightward which is also signifies Movement rightward movement for the rest of Europe Which we know again we just think that thing only things are happening In America because we have a very like I don't know nationalist perspective or way of looking at the news Or almost like you know the left in America Like to be very dramatic like just where the worst country And just like everything that is happening here It's like yeah, I don't want to take away from the brutality That is happening under this administration in this country But if you're so leftist You should also be aware of what's happening to other fucking people And it's also not good like it's I think it's a very weird perspective And I think it makes us look like it's catastrophic thinking And I think it also makes us quite look quite stupid to be honest So let's rectify that And yeah if you want to see me live just a little bit of house keeping

4:03Because I have two really really big shows coming up First off Los Angeles Los Angeles Sunday October 25th right We sold out gash in the belly room Which is where we normally do it For those of you who don't know there's three rooms at the comedy store There's the belly room which is upstairs There's the original room which is the medium sized room And then there's the main room The big room where you see like the big big shows And gash has been as promised I said if we sell out belly room early they're moving us to the main room And we are moving to the main room So if you already have tickets nothing changes You don't got to do anything you have your general general admission tickets You're good But if you don't have tickets already This is going to be the biggest and best gash yet Because in the main room we have the ability to book much larger acts Because our budget is bigger and then also just like some big stars won't perform in the belly room Some will though Like I said I've had billboard bear performing the belly room I've had Natasha Ligero, Moshe cashier performing the belly room with me

5:06Young summers But yeah that is what we are doing So October 25th so many more tickets are available And you know if you have a friend who's like not familiar with me Or not familiar with any of my shows They don't need to like me to enjoy this show If they like a little bit of horror If they like great stand-up comedy If they like seeing big name stand-up comedians At a really reasonable bubble price Like look at the pricing for the comedy store most nights I made sure to price my show A little bit less than that to make it a little bit more accessible Because I'm a hero guys Because guess who's the only person who's taking that hit financially is me But I just like really do try to you know I'm joking But I do try to keep the shows as you know within the realm of inflation As well as I possibly can You know and add to what the cost of me flying across the country to do this show Which most people aren't So tell your friends if by tickets it's going to be phenomenal Also the fun thing about the main room is if you want to make it like a little bit extra There are fancy or seats. There's like mid-seize booth

6:09There's some VIP seating Obviously those are a little bit more expensive But again I did try to make them not as crazy expensive as you'll see for other artists And I will announce the lineup as it comes But it's going to be It's going to be phenomenal So I really get those tickets now And then of course Slutsgiving, New York City It happened last year We're doing Slutsgiving 2.0 Christina Hutchinson and myself It's you know guys we fucked live experience basically But last year really was I'm not just you know I wouldn't just say this It really was I think the best live show that GWF has ever done And we've done literally hundreds of live shows in our career So you're going to want to get tickets to that We are at the Grammar C Theatre this year Which is a milestone for any comedian It's something we've been wanting to do for a long time And we are doing Grammar C Theatre This year is November 17th It is a Tuesday But it's like we're into the holiday season by that time Tuesdays don't mean Tuesdays in the middle of November Everything is a fucking free for all So come out and it's an eight o'clock show too

7:10So if you can't go out at eight o'clock on a work night I don't know I am judging you a little bit I am judging you a little bit You can be in bed by 11 and I think that's fine Like in New York City I mean most of our jobs started tan in New York City Even if it's start today You could be tired for one day for a fun night Live a little, have a little whimsy in your life Be a little crazy And it's important to buy those tickets ASAP Because there are different financial tiers And also you pick your seating It's like a traditional theater where you pick your actual seat It's not GA So you're going to want to get those sooner than later I know we always say that but you're really going to want to do it sooner than later Because you want a choice of your seat All right, thanks all that stuff is handled Let's get into the meet of the show First up, I want to start This is based. It's like a wackl mail bag but it wasn't sent to my inbox It was on YouTube If you want to send an article or comment or thoughts or feedback Not like on me. Like a feedback on the articles

8:12It is without a country podcast at gmail.com And last week we talked a lot about Lindsey Clancy case. We were doing a verdict watch since that time. We obviously all know by now that the judge did declare a mistrial because one juror just could not agree with the other jurors. And we're going to talk about that because now the jurors are no longer anonymous. Now that that particular trial is over, it might be retried. Kevin Reddington, who is Lindsey Clancy's attorney, is definitely trying to have Lindsey Clancy not be tried again. He is even reached out to Donald Trump to try and get him to part in her, which people like Kevin Reddington's boldness, but then some people were concerned that reaching out to Donald Trump about this is now going to make him excessively comment on the case.

9:12And it already has so much misogyny and male meltdown energy around it on the internet. So I think people were worried about that. But obviously, no matter what we would like to be true, Donald Trump is, in fact, the sitting president of the United States of America. And therefore, if we want to pardon, that is the person we got to reach out to. That's the way the cookie crumbles, guys. And so Waco Hillary, who is a lawyer, she commented on some of the discussion we were having around Nancy Grace and what she was revealing on her show as far as evidence last week. And it said, lawyer here, Nancy Grace can basically see anything she wants on her show, even if the judge didn't allow it in. And that was that she was saying something about Lindsey Clancy having Googled basically like how to kill your children. And the judge didn't allow it in. But I also was having trouble even finding verification

10:15that that evidence was, in fact, in existence. It's part two of that. But I think this is important to know, because as we talked about last week, when a judge is presiding over a trial, they can, or case, they can say, yeah, this is allowed in. This evidence is an allowed in. The prosecution and the defense has to show things to the judge before they can present it to the jury. And that this is shown to each other. It's like there's a lot of checkpoints that have to be passed before it actually gets to the jury. And so it's interesting to know that if you are someone in the public eye who is commenting on the case and somehow you learn about evidence that exists, even though it doesn't exist within the world of the trial, there is no barrier stopping you from talking about that, which is very interesting. I think that's good to know moving forward, especially

11:16in a country in a time when we are so true crime thirsty. Hillary goes on to say, the only safeguard is that the jury has been instructed not to watch any news about it or consume any content, which we knew. And we have to trust that they didn't, because I don't believe they're being sequestered. And they weren't being sequestered. I know it's very tough, especially in a long trial. When people have families and in full lives and we live in such a social media and online obsessed world, but I do think that it's, I don't know, I feel like maybe we just have these juries be paid more and then have them be sequestered. People's the whole lives are in their hand. And not to shit on the beloved people of America, but now that the jury is no longer anonymous and you see everyone, you know, comments, you know, various jury members commenting on the trial, I was just sitting last night watching some of,

12:18you know, these folks give interviews and truly like getting like a cold sweat thinking that it is possible one day someone like this could have, you know, one-twelfth of the control over whether I live or die, whether I, I guess not live or die, depending on what state I am, or whether I'm incarcerated for the rest of my life or not. It's like really actually chilling. When you know, no words bring shivers down my spine, like a jury of my peers. Let me tell you, okay? As someone who was in acquired taste, this is absolutely chilling anyway. So I, we'll explore that later today, but thank you so much, Hillary. I love when lawyers listen to the show. We gotta get some medical experts listening to the show, but I appreciate so much all the lawyers who listen to the show. You guys are so helpful when discussing these cases.

13:21I really appreciate it. All right, let's get into the enemy of the state right now. We are, you know, days away from the anniversary of 9-11 and Mayor Mamdani, he's, I was gonna say dropping bombs, but that's definitely not the right terminology. But he is, he's, you know, him and his administration are revealing some fucked up shit about what has been hidden from the people of New York as far as air quality. And let's, New York Times did a piece on it. We had, you know, who was, who was Pete John Stewart was speaking, the gang's all here, everyone. This is from the New York Times. This says, after 9-11, documents suggest New Yorkers were misled about air quality, which if you were in New York or close to New York, I was in New Jersey at this time. If you were in New York or close to New York at this time, you knew by looking out your window that there was no way this air quality could be safe. Let me tell you. And so many people suffered, you know,

14:25lifelong respiratory issues and obviously how you know, have died because of this. And it's really disgusting. So again, the Mamdani administration released more than 170,000 pages of documents related to the air quality around the World Trade Center site in the months after the September 11 attacks. And we'll get into it. I'm going to read the whole article. I also think like this Mamdani administration, again, this is me speaking about it. I really think they're doing a great job. But as we talked about before, this is an administration that is going to be campaigning the entire time with moves like this. This is a good move. The public deserves to know. But it's also perfectly, perfectly timed to make Mamdani and his administration look like poster boys and girls, right? You know, so two things can be true. And unfortunately, this is the structure of politics in this country. You do have to continuously, you know, kind of have these big moves that serve the public hopefully.

15:29And then additionally, you have to continuously make yourself look good, make yourself look like a martyr, look like make yourself look like a hero. And that to me is like the disgusting part. As someone who experienced it firsthand, like I had a really hard time with that. But, you know, it is an necessity if you want to be winning elections, unfortunately. I think there's different ways you could go about it. I think AOC goes about it a little less on the nose, but, you know, whatever works, babies. Mamdani has more Instagram followers than AOC at this point if that's how we're, you know, judging or measuring popularity. And so I think that's very interesting. And also, you know, for anyone who's in New York, you know, all the pushback that people have been giving is what I'm Mamdani about 9-11. Basically, you know, saying things like he, you know, celebrates the people who, you know, attacked us on 9-11 that he was damn your complicit, you know, with 9-11, you know, 9-11.

16:30He, you know, people are saying he's not, you know, allowed it in 9-11 events or that he should be banned. And so I think this was a really smart way to say, not only am I supportive of the victims of 9-11, not only do I think this was like a bad thing to happen to New York, but in fact, the people who you thought were on your side who should be at your 9-11 events, actually, they were the ones lying to you. They were the ones deceiving you, not me. So I think it's a, you know, number one great because it's information the public should know. And number two, again, again, a perfect campaign strategy for Zoran Mamdani's team. And a really interesting thing that I noticed just via my inbox is that, you know, about a year ago, Zoran Mamdani's campaign stopped asking for donations. They literally said, stop donating. We're good. We got everything we need. He won the election and now, you know, about a year into, you know, give or take a little less

17:32in a year into his first, you know, a year as mayor, he and his team are now asking for donations again, which, you know, they kind of, in the first email, they kind of made the case that, you know, grassroots campaigns or super-left campaigns are often very bad at fundraising and it puts them behind the right. And I don't, I don't disagree necessarily with these things, you know, if you are going to be funded by the public, you're going to need a lot more individual funds than if you were just being funded by a couple of, of billionaires and we certainly want things to be publicly funded, you know, there is a part of me that really thinks like, isn't this a fucked up structure that we have? Like we're living in a society where I think it should be obvious that we have, obvious second nature, not to be thought about, not even losing a wink of sleep that our elected officials are on our side, trying to create a better society for all the constituents. But obviously that's not true.

18:32So many people are in it for power, money, whatever it is. And so it is then not only the, you know, burden of the public meaning like we have to live with the repercussions of who is elected to represent us, but it also in America has become the financial burden. Other places too, but I'm speaking specifically about America here, it has become the financial burden of the constituents to not only use our energy to support, to not only show up at the polls, to not only educate ourselves on the electoral process and the candidates, but now, you know, also truly to financially support candidates. Like I think this is really important, you know, and it sucks, I hated asking for money, but like we really do need to put our money where our morals are. And even if it's $5, whatever it is, it really makes the difference to support your favorite candidates financially.

19:32And so now that he's, he kind of opened up, now that the seal was broken, he's been asking for money almost every other day in my inbox. And then, you know, AOC also, I mean, if you're subscribed to AOC's mailing list, she truly asks like every single day for money, you know, which, you know, is annoying, but if you look at people on the left, people in Congress, she always has the money to do what she needs to do. So obviously people are giving, and obviously it's working. You know, and if you love a candidate, even setting up like a monthly $5, you know, donation the way you would a subscription, that kind of stuff is really meaningful. I think sometimes we don't go through the motions because we think, it's $5, like it's not even worth it. Like it's like, you're almost like feeling embarrassed about it. Let me tell you, if we all set up a $5 a month contribution to a candidate that we really felt strongly about, or even to, like, you don't have to just pick one, even if they're running against each other. There's two candidates in a particular race,

20:34and you say, I really like and support, you know, both of these candidates, and I'm interested in seeing what either of these candidates would do, and I'd be happy, you know, doesn't have to be exactly equally happy, but I'd be pretty satisfied with either of these people representing me, and you have that $5. I say, go ahead and do it. I also think there's like a sense of pride, there's a sense of participation in that you're participating in the process. You know, I think so often the reason why we feel the way we do about politics is because we feel passive about it. We feel like a bystander. We feel like politics and elections are happening to us, but I think when you participate and donate and campaign or canvas or whatever it is, you're doing, and certainly when you vote, you feel like you're really participating, and I think that makes you, you know, definitely me, but I think it makes us all feel less helpless, and like we are really participating in the society in which we live. So there's my little spiel, but I do think that was interesting, and I had wanted to mention that, that, you know,

21:36they're already preparing for term two as mayor, which I mean, less anything drastic happens. I think we knew from the start that Zoram Omdani would be a two-term mayor, right? Okay, so let's get into this article, very interesting stuff. This is by Sally Goldenberg and Nina Agrawal. All right, in the harrowing months that followed the attacks on the World Trade Center, New Yorkers were repeatedly assured that the air around the fallen towers was safe to breathe. You know, really ironic from the, you know, and that the same people perhaps, but, you know, after an incident where so many people lost their lives because they were like, said, no, you can go back in, the twin towers. Yeah, okay, let's maybe let's use our own common sense, right? But 10 months later. Brought to you by the paper who sold you the Iraq war mind you. Oh my gosh, Mike, I love you. Let's see, but 10 months later, health officials were still finding evidence of asbestos

22:38as much as half a mile away according to a sample of air quality records released on Tuesday. So, you know, again, it's not, it's not like they didn't know. It's not like they didn't have the technology and technology has advanced and now looking back at these samples. They were like, oh my God, actually, it was worse than we thought. They literally just knew and lied, which, eh, I mean, everybody who was part of that administration who was complicit in this, absolutely should be put on trial. That's crazy. The documents reviewed by the New York Times in advance of their release include more than 170,000 pages of air quality reports, contamination records, and correspondence among city officials. FYI, I don't know if I mentioned it. The enemy of the state is the government, specifically in this case, government in New York City. The records were stored in 68 boxes in a city office, shielded from public view for more than two decades. And according to city officials discovered only last year.

23:40Mayor Zorn Momdani directed his administration to release the records to the public through an online portal, timing it to the commemoration of the 25th anniversary of the attacks in Lower Manhattan, which is cute, which is cute and timely, and obviously gonna get the most publicity, but, you know, I mean, I guess that's like more, like more, maybe more so we can think of it as like that's the deadline he gave his administration to put everything together, right? Because I'm like, if you just look at it, like, oh, they discovered this, and then they were like, let's wait till the, you know, the anniversary of 9-11, then through that line of thinking, you're like, okay, well, he also had information for a while that he wasn't giving us, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, and think of it as a deadline that he gave his administration to prep everything, which would have, of course, taken some time, because there was a lot of reductions and stuff that need to happen for security purposes, okay? Over the course, the next year his administration tends to review, redact, and publicize many more papers

24:42found in municipal and insurance offices that relate to the environmental toxins brought about by September 11th. The records released on Tuesday provide a snapshot, which was yesterday, of the frenzied months after the attacks, when New York City and its leaders were struggling to balance the city's recovery with fears of terrorism and lingering toxins. And unfortunately, especially, if you were old enough to be knowing what was going on around that time, I was in high school, but if you were old enough to kind of know what was what around 9-11, or if you weren't, but have gone back and researched it, just during that time, we were a lot more worried about terrorism than we were the environment. So even though there were fears about lingering toxins, what you were hearing about was certainly much more about fear of terrorism. Terrorism was like the number one thing to be scared of at that time, right? The documents are limited in scope,

25:43offering only a fraction of the air quality reports taken around ground zero. And while they also include a smattering of internal memos, including the so-called harding memo in which the city discussed its potential liability stemming from the September 11th air quality, many more are presumably absent. But even in a scattershot way, the records seemed to strengthen the notion that New Yorkers were instructed to return to the ground zero area before it was safe to do so, potentially exposing workers and residents to dangerous toxins. On Friday, we will mark 25 years since the worst tragedy ever to befall our city. The darkest day New York City has ever known. Mr. Mom Donnie said on Tuesday, at a news conference to introduce the records. And like, do I in my heart believe he thinks it was the darkest day for New York City? Absolutely not, but mayors got a mayor, right? And yet the devastating, yeah. You think in his heart of hearts, he doesn't believe 9-11 is the darkest day

26:43in New York City history? The darkest day? No. No, because, and it's not, this is not specific to him. And this is, and this is not because he is Muslim. Like, please do not make a mistake. That's not why I'm saying it. It is because everyone who is that far left and especially people who are younger, almost no one believes that, almost everyone kind of thinks who is far left and younger thinks that 9-11 is something that America deserved. Like, this is literally, I have a joke that I wrote over three years ago about this, about how, you know, about how stuff about 9-11 went viral. And everyone was like taking the terrorists in quotes size. Well, no, I mean, people saw the letter from, oh, some have been lawden to the American people with the original letter where he's like,

27:45yeah, this wasn't me. My people did not do this. Your government has been taken over and they were like, huh, okay, that's something I've never heard before. That's interesting. And then we read the full thing. And then the follow letter where he did actually, you know, eventually claim it. But like, you know, just that, that, that part they had never heard before. But I didn't know that they completely discounted the event that it is not, in fact, what they, like, for me, yeah, like it, you know, like it's, it's, you can joke about it now because we all do agree 9-11. That is the darkest thing that has ever, I, you know, crossed my fingers, we'll ever happen in my lifetime. Is that not really the sentiment for these things? You think it's the darkest thing that ever happened in your lifetime 9-11? Are you being serious? Are you, I mean, you don't think it's, you don't think the Epstein, the sex trafficking ring is darker than 9-11? I mean, at the time, I mean, I don't know,

28:45I was 12 when it happened. So I see like my, no, like my thoughts on 9-11 or it is like, I don't, like, I'm not gonna take this, you know, the, the stance of a lot of people, you know, young folks on TikTok, who are kind of like America deserved it. But my thought is that terrorists attacks like this happen in other countries quite often and had previously. And America had just never experienced that, even though we do so much destruction worldwide. And so while it was terrible and dark, to me the way I looked at it was like, it's like something that is happening to other countries and that they have experience and this is pain that they have experienced. So it almost just seemed like, you know, at a certain point, I don't wanna say pay your dues, but at a certain point, we all in the world take a, we all cause pain and we all take pain as countries. And this just seemed like pain

29:46that it was almost our time to take. That's the way I look at it. To say it was the darkest time with all the destruction and people that we have killed. I just like, I don't see that because it was a terrorist attack and while obviously the people who died, it's not their fault. They didn't do anything to provoke such a terrorist attack. I think there are other, like cruelties that are more specific and less deserved that I would consider darker. I mean, I would maybe say it's the darkest thing for New York, but again, I don't, I don't, I, again, like we always talk about how our algorithms are different. Like, again, that joke that I wrote several years ago when Osama Bin Laden's letter to America went viral on TikTok, all the young people in America on the left were on the side of Osama Bin Laden. That's what literally, that's what the premise of my joke is about.

30:46And it's about how me as someone who was like, not an adult, but a teenager who could read and understand things was looking at this like, wow, times, times are changing. And I think it's because people understand like our relationship in the world better. But no, I don't think the DSI thinks that 9-11 was the darkest day in New York. I truly, truly don't. What are you personally? What is your, what beats 9-11? Just give me your name and brush for me. I am not speaking for me. I know, but I'm saying you said like this is the fact. I would say 9-11. I am, I would say 9-11. But if you actually look into it historically, I'd have to do historical research. I actually, I don't think 9-11 was the darkest day in American history. I'm gonna go actually with Epstein. You think the daily Epstein files were like? Not the day.

31:47If you're talking about a singular day, sure, I guess we gotta go with 9-11. Yeah, if we're talking about singular day, yes, but large world-scale events, no. Interesting, I mean that. I just, I think that's like very New York-centric thinking. Like, I mean, I don't, I get it. Anyway, shit like that happens, other places buses are exploding all the time. What's different? Buses are gonna kill the 200 people on a button, maybe 200 people. Matter to those 200 fucking people. Of course, we're talking about taking a commercial airplane. I get it. We're talking about broad daylight, the middle of the morning, and flying it into one of the iconic piece of image. Sure. That's like, no one's flying planes into the, into the, they're not doing fast and furious stuff. And I would definitely- No, I think we're talking about, I think we're talking about two different things. You're talking about of like the, almost like the, the, you know, action movie. Like if we're talking about what was the biggest, most fantastical event that happened on US soil?

32:51Like I'm, I'm talking about like the, the meaning of it. Do you, all right, all right. So I think if we're going by like destruction, fantasticalness, sure, not, I think 9-11, we can definitely go with, I am talking about like deeper historical meaning, you know, things that were completely like undeserved, unwarranted, that kind of a stuff, you know? Like when America behaves the way that we do, to go as long as we did without expecting any repercussions, I think is quite foolish. And when you really think about it, when you go back to flying pre-9-11, it is crazy that they were just letting us get on planes, just bringing whatever. That's actually so crazy. And that was, and that was us, because we were walking around like invincible teenagers, who we thought we couldn't be hurt, we thought we couldn't die. And that's a memory that, that core memory that I remember, I remember thinking that even when I was like,

33:54how old was I, I don't even know, like 15 or however old I was, you know, when 9-11 happened, I remember that. I have journal entries about 9-11. And I also, you know, we would war games this and see these vulnerabilities and almost make a choice to not fix them. Well, right, I mean, earlier before we went on the air, we were talking about how, you know, we're pretty sure that Netanyahu was aware previous to the October 7th attacks that Hamas was going to attack the people of Israel at that music festival, and that he chose not to do any, you know, he chose to let that happen, you know, the theory, you know, we're guessing so that he could retaliate in the absolutely, you know, a crazy maniacal way that he has been, right? I do believe that that is true. And so, you know, there's many, there's many, there's many people and documents to back up. You know, this is a clip again from Farron Heights.

34:59What is it, Farron, yeah, in Farron Heights. 9-11, the Michael Moore movie, where people are from that, the Bush administration are being interviewed and basically saying there were full documents that this terrorist attack or a terrorist attack of this nature was going to happen and that it was ignored. I don't know to say purposefully ignored, but ignored. And so to me, it's like what this is revealing is, you know, similar to how we were lied about about the air quality in New York specifically, all those lives could have been saved if we were serious about this previously, similar to how it was revealed that the Obama administration had gotten documentation that something like COVID-19 was going to happen. All, you know, all these things are new to us as the constituents, they're not new to people who are,

35:59you know, reading secret files who have access to this information. Right, but it is a thing where like anytime it gets brought up in circles where people are just, you know, quote unquote, having a discussion, right? I remember bringing this up to you, like I don't know, maybe two, three months after it happened, saying like it's weird that the biggest surveillance state on the planet didn't see this one coming, it seems odd. And then it goes to like, yeah, but we need to wait for this to like, you know, be processed and look through and it's like, okay, well three years later and a trillion of dollars in damage, uncounted, you know, lives lost and, you know, decimated and it's like, okay, yes, so you were right, but it's a little late to do anything about it now, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't know, it's a little this hard thing. Sure. Oh, and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like looking what the internet's gonna say. I mean, you know, in the history of America, this is an easy answer.

37:01This is not during our lifetimes, which I believe is the conversation that we were having, but yeah, for American history, we're saying to ever happen a slavery, obviously, like that. There you go, easy answer for that. Because I'm looking, I'm kind of looking what lists are saying. I agree with that as slavery as the worst thing. And something that for the entirety of the country's existence, we felt the awful effects of. And I don't know, I mean, with no signs of stopping really. But when you just go to Google and you say, what is the most terrible thing to happen America? I wrote in modern times, it does, the first thing that comes up is 9-11. It says this September 11th attacked in 2001, or widely considered the most devastating sudden event, which kind of aligns with what I was saying, sudden event in modern American history while the COVID-19 pandemic caused the largest loss of life. So again, exactly what the conversation we were just having, these two things that seemingly, a, you know, in hindsight, looking at the documentation that these administrations had,

38:01were, were, like, we, they knew that these things were happening. I'm not saying they knew the exact date. I am not saying they knew. But what, what, what was the name of that file? Was, did it actually say September 11th on it? What was the name of the file revealed in Fahrenheit? Fahrenheit 9-11, Michael, more movie. Fahrenheit 9-11, and then Beth Walsh in the chat said, loose chains, very interesting doc, if you're into the conspiracy theories. Okay, so yeah, the presidential daily briefing highlighted in Michael Moore's documentary, Fahrenheit 9-11 was titled, bid not in, determine to strike in US. I just couldn't remember if it had a specific timeline that was mentioned on it. And it, yeah. That makes sense then, how they were able to say, like, five hours into this happening that are so have been laud and did this. It's like, oh, so we knew.

39:01And, you know, this, this was the daily briefing that the president was given on August 6th. So obviously, you know, a month is not a long, you know, long time, but I feel like if they knew who was going to do it in a month, like, even if you don't know, again, I'd have to read the entire briefing because it's not, I don't know if it's clear. Like if there was a, you know, if there was a time, a specific timeline or location, but that's still a month, you know, so, you know, it's being talked about that perhaps Benjamin Netanyahu had 10 days advanced notice about October 7th. That's, I'm seeing like, you know, rumblings about that. Here, you have almost a month. And it's like, what is enough time? I don't know the answer to that. I don't, I don't work in a national administration where I would know what the timeline you need to stop a terrorist attack is, but, you know, would be a fun computer game to vibe code though. Like your George W. Bush, you get this briefing on October, sorry, August 8th. And it's like, you know, with the resource at your disposal,

40:03like what would you do? How quickly could you wrap it up? I think it'd be fun. I mean, I think we'd have to look into like, did they know that, you know, terrorism via plane, like hijacking if that was like kind of on the table? And again, I think these are things that places would know. And also at that time, I mean, you know, all, you know, we're so best, we're besties with Israel. Could we have not used their surveillance of, you know, at that time, their ground breaking surveillance to figure this out a little bit more? I don't know, just spitball in here, but, you know, that's interesting. But yeah, no, I'm gonna go with slavery for as the worst thing to ever happen in America period. But yeah, so if we're talking about, you know, one, one day, yes, 9-11 is as far as one sudden event, one day, yeah, 9-11. It just feels weird because like, I'm like so close to it. So I'm like, surely something else would have happened. But yeah, no, like young people on the, like who are super far left do not feel that way. So there is so, so much talk on my algorithm about how America

41:04deserved 9-11 and that was like almost like a good thing. So I don't, I don't believe this administration really feels that way to be honest. I just, I truly don't. I just know too much about this. I just know too much about the far left, a young movement in New York City to believe that to be true. Okay. All right. Then, yeah, again, and again, something that's been interested in long before I ran for mayor, because, you know, and the proof is in the joke that I wrote. But yeah, okay. So on Friday, we will mark 25 years since the worst tragedy ever to befall our country. The darkest day in New York City has ever known. Mr. Mom Donnie said on Tuesday at a news conference to introduce the records and yet the devastating truth is that the suffering did not end once the smoke cleared and the dust settled. People got sick. And I think this is also a way for him to honestly, like, I think this is like the health aspect of it. I think it's something that his heart is truly in.

42:05So I also think this is a good way to make sure that this is a good way to navigate this issue. That has been so overly, you know, I don't want to say overly politicized because it is a political issue, but that's been so, that he's been so attacked for, right? People got sick. Pretty good way to go is at his critics too. Yeah. A lot of the people banging the drum, the Rudy Giuliani's of the world. Yeah. He went out and did something and he's exposing the same people who are trying to throw him through him, throw him out. Throw him under the bus. Strategically, it's flawless. Really. People got sick because the leaders they trusted lied and told them that they were safe to breathe in toxic air. Mr. Mom, Donnie added the release of the documents resolves litigation brought by 9-11 Health Watch and advocacy organization that sued to force the publication of the documents. Then she that the group's executive director said the documents show that the city knew about the toxic chemical. So the documents show that the city knew about the toxic chemicals danger, even as city officials continued messaging

43:07to the public that the air was safe and acceptable. But the documents release may expose the city to new or amended lawsuits. The information and it should, the information could also help those second in the years after September 11th with their applications for federal victim compensation funds. The documents were released. The documents were both a significant logistical hurdle for which the mayor budgeted $34 million and an acknowledgement that even after so many years as fewer Americans remember the attacks, the health effects persist. More people are believed to have died from illnesses related to the attacks than nearly 3,000 people who were killed on September 11th. They are succumbing to blood and lung cancers and heart and respiratory diseases. Records related to 15 John Street, a building less than a mile from the World Trade Center, offer a glimpse into the

44:09pro long and often chaotic cleanup work that took place around ground zero. On July 13th, 2002, with lower Manhattan still blinketed in debris, inspectors were busy collecting dust samples from the building. Each report echoed the last asbestos present on the facade ledge, asbestos present on the west side roof, asbestos present on the top electrical cable. Some reports show that asbestos levels appeared to stay under limits set by environmental and worker protection agencies. Others indicate they may have been too high, though many of the papers are not accompanied by written analysis. The documents show that the asbestos found at 15 John Street was not an outlier. List of environmental quality measurements taken by city agencies, the Environmental Protection Agency and privately contracted laboratories demonstrate the presence of asbestos and other contaminants, sometimes at levels exceeding acceptable limits in dust and air in other parts of lower Manhattan

45:11after September 11th. They include records preserved by the Giuliani administration, as well as documents related to seven world trade center, which collapsed on the afternoon of September 11th. A letter to the city's Department of Environmental Protection from a New Yorker in February 2002 underscores how isolated and frightened people felt at that time. A resident of 333 Rector Place detailed what she viewed as extensive miscev by city officials and her building's property manager to try to remove asbestos and other contaminants from the premise. September 11th, 2001 felt like I had to do something. The resident, Marisa Ramirez, day, Araleno wrote describing how she had scooped up dust from coffee table in a paper bag. Also started to clean the floor with wet paper towels. She wrote an effort to acknowledge, she acknowledged was mostly futile. Reached on Monday, Ms. Ramirez, day, Araleno,

46:12who's now 80 said she had spent several years after the attacks under the care of an allergist and a pulmonologist. She was prescribed steroids and other medications because respiratory tests let doctors led doctors to fear she had suffered long damage. She said she said she spent several hours in her apartment on September 11th, because she didn't realize that very lightweight dust that was coming in was bad for human beings as it turned out to be. She left the apartment when the firefighters came to evacuate her. By the time she returned several weeks later, officials said the air was safe to breathe, but she had doubts, especially one night when a hazmat team came to dig up the grass from a small roundabout in the neighborhood. So they're taking samples from the grass around where she lives to test because they know some things up, but they don't want to cause a seria or if everyone needs to leave, they don't know what to possibly do with these people.

47:12So they're just going to keep it under you know, anytime someone's coming, anytime you're not in a hazmat suit and the government's around you in a hazmat suit, that's a red flag, okay? They dug several inches down and took it all away and replaced it with new dirt, new sod, new grass. Miss Ramirez, day Araleno said, and I thought if they were thinking the grass is contaminated, then what are we all breathing? A hundred percent girl, a draft document of data collected by the city's DEP listed locations throughout Laura Manhattan, where espesto levels in some des samples exceeded hazardous limits in the days immediately after the attacks. Another undated document lists ambient samples that were also above acceptable asbestos limits and audit from November 2001, prepared by a private firm and submitted to the federal EPA based on data collected by New York City and state agencies

48:14showed other troubling findings. That audit demonstrated that air concentration of the carcinogen Benzine was still spiking near the tower's footprint and that the concentration of asbestos in the area at the fresh kills landfill on statin island had it increased after the attacks. The uncertainty about the air quality and residential and commercial buildings in Laura Manhattan was already raising concern among public officials like representative Gerald Nadler, that's Jerry Nadler, and a Manhattan Democrat whose district included ground zero at the time. This is a good look for him because this is like kind of his last year being the talk of the town. So this is a kind of good on his way out publicity for Jerry Nadler, according to a memo from a city official Esther Fuke. Census six others, including the city's top lawyer Michael

49:15Cardozo on February 28, 2002, the city's name was Robert, and it was the city's name that was Robert, and it was the city's name that was the city of Florida. We were in the city in the city. And so on February 28, 2002, that was two months after Michael R. Bloomberg took office as mayor, replacing Rudolph Giuliani, you know, and it's hard because everyone already hates Rudy Giuliani. So it's like, can we do we really have the energy to hate him anymore probably not? And again, just so funny, the ducks to position of how he was like, how Rudy Giuliani is getting made fun of and like, you know, Ali Ali G movies or whatever. Ms. Fuke. To be fair, Pataki was also up on that stage getting cheered. And now he has lung cancer. Oh my god, I hadn't heard of him in so long. Yeah, I saw a thing this week. That was the first time I heard his name in 20 years ever since. I think it was hell rel wrapped about him on the diplomatic

50:15community volume too. Like from that point to this, I don't think I'd heard of him in 20 years, but yeah, I think he's he's sick with this exact stuff. Oh my god. Oh, I was wondering I was like, was it caused by this? It has to be. There's like, there's video of him at the like ground zero with no mask on, obviously, breathing it in deeply, working. Like he's covered in the dust. He was he was doing his job as the governor. Right. All right, let's see. So Ms. Fuke noted that Mr. Nadler said that the federal ants today released data nearly 15 hundreds of aly and SMSVPA handed over responsibility for報 proprobreöllig and about put jobs in the city, was happening already in the city care system. So we asked the governor for reports that Mr. Niagara County and the candidate of theC quer Stadt can put Tropical A選 Vol And me and I've got two bars for this building shop. So the related shop well, that pooling with the

51:17would indicate long term health impacts. In an interview this week, Mr. Nadler recalled, trying to persuade the administration of Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Bloomberg to release whatever information they had collected on air quality around the site of the attacks. They knew about the air quality and they essentially did nothing about it. Mr. Nadler said, Bloomberg, you can say about your court side, Nick, seats this season. I suspect that all they cared about was getting Wall Street reopened exactly. And they didn't give a damn about the health of the people down there, right? Because that's another thing. It's like a lot of high income stuff happens around Wall Street and there are certainly very fancy apartments by Wall Street. But there's certainly a ton of lower income public housing, the kinds of people that a corrupt government doesn't give a shit about, quite frankly, the kind of people who to many governments are unfortunately disposable. Indeed, city and federal officials, most memorably, Christine Todd Whitman,

52:19the administrator of the EPA at the time, reassured Americans that the air around ground zero was safe to breathe. Ms. Whitman has since apologized. Well, you know, there's some things that apology really isn't enough for, right? A review of news articles and interview transcripts in the days and weeks after September 11th shows that Mr. Giuliani continued to vouch for the safety of the air quality. I come down here in the morning, and sometimes the odor is terrible. He said in late October 2001, according to an article, and then yeah, because it's bodies decomposing. In the New York Daily News, which had reported on toxic chemicals and metals that had been released into the environment around ground zero. You smell it and you feel there must be something wrong with it. But what I'm told is that it is not dangerous to your health. Okay. In February 2002, Mr. Bloomberg said, every test that has been done says the air quality was in acceptable limits.

53:21I think some people are just never going to want to believe that. And you know, and we wonder why constituents don't believe they're elected officials. We wonder what this is distrust for the government. I spoke to him from Mr. Bloomberg, declined to comment. A spokesman from Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a request for comment. Correspondence between Deutsche Bank, located at 130 Liberty Street and the city DEP, discusses testing from September 2001 through April 2002 that found asbestos in dust samples, exceeding the 1% threshold for harm throughout the building, as well as the presence of carcinogenic organic contaminants, heavy metals, fungi and bacteria. The bank's experts have recommended a systematic testing program to quantify the hazard and identify appropriate methods for handling and disposing of the materials. The company's managing director for corporate real estate wrote in June 2002, letter to the DEP Commissioner.

54:24The building would eventually be demolished. Asbestos's exposure can cause lung tissue scarring, mesophiliaoma and lung cancer, dust smoke and other pollutants from the site have also been associated with lymphoma, leukemia and other cancers. The mayor and the city's chief lawyer, Steven Banks, agreed that it was important to make the documents public. Mr. Banks recalled in a recent interview. For years, families, city workers and survivors have been crying out for more transparency from their government. Mr. Banks wrote in an introductory letter contained in the document release. In a recent interview, Denise Verzi, he discussed losing her husband, Michael Verzi, in New York City firefighter to lymphoma that was linked to his time working at Ground Zero. He truly loved being a firefighter. That was his calling, Ms. Verzi, set of her husband who died in 2022. All that being said, now years later, we're finding out that there's all these files.

55:27She said her husband and his colleagues had been assured that the air quality is fine, you can be down there. And while they would have gone to the site regardless, she said maybe different precautions would have been taken. And again, I don't want to victim blame, but you would think that firefighters might have an even better understanding of the dangers of like air quality and how quickly air quality can be compromised just based on their line of work. Firefighters really have, they just have a line of knowledge that the average person does it have. I always find it very interesting to talk to them. I don't understand hiding it to begin with, Ms. Verzi said, that was horrific, but 25 years in, there's people that are still getting sick. All right. And Mike, just because we just spent an hour about an hour on 9.11, I texted Crystal,

56:29but I can't really like to talk to her because I'm on air. I think she's working on the thumbnail now. I think maybe replace the AI thing with something regarding 9.11, but don't make it too Mike though, make it Karin. Just make it clickable you too, but don't make it inflammatory. You guys should, you got this little behind the curtains. You guys should absolutely see sometimes the titles that when I don't put, when before I was like took Mike's title responsibility away, the things that he would put for the titles. It was really funny. They made me laugh. Keep them on their toes. Oh God. Okay, quickly moving on to Patreon. Thanks to all our Patreon subscribers. I appreciate you guys so much. All hail to our amazing dictator, Christopher Fungi. Let's welcome our newest capitalist pig, Hillary. Hello, hello, and hi to all my wonderful cuties.

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58:30in this case, he thinks should be covered on this show. And so this week's dictator topic and article of the month is all about the metasettlement. And so I'm going to start the source that Christopher sent me is actually a sub stack. He says, hi, Karen and team, not really an article, but we'll love to hear your thoughts on this topic, metasettlement, but we'll make it, but will it make any difference if YouTube and TikTok don't follow suit with age restrictions, et cetera, on social media platforms for minors. This is a sub stack from Jeff Jackson that I've been following for years since he was in Congress. They, I, you know, meaning Congress, didn't enact laws to protect kids now. So it's off to the courts. Thanks, your friendly dictator. And so I'll start with the sub second. Then I found a complimentary piece from NPR that I think will, you know, work in this a little bit.

59:33And maybe like, let's just, you know, quickly overview. Explain that metasettlement. So just the overview of the metasettlement before we dive in if you, if you guys don't have all the details. So meta reach historic 17.1 between 17.1 billion and $18 billion settlement with 48 US states, the District of Columbia and territories in, you know, last month, August of 2026 to resolve lawsuits claiming Facebook and Instagram harmed children's mental health and violated privacy laws. The core claims, addiction and design, state-accused meta of designing addictive algorithms and features on Instagram and Facebook that trapped young users while hiding internal research about these mental health risks. I mean, that's 100%. So, you know, that is, you know, all in the, the, you know, all in the book stolen focus

1:00:35that I've been reading and sharing stuff with you. I mean, that's like not even up for dispute that these things are designed to be addictive. Privacy violations meta was accused of collecting data from underage users without required parental consent, breaching federal child privacy laws and no admission of wrongdoing, meta denied all liability and did not admit to violating laws or making platforms intentionally addictive, which is I'm going to say a bold face fucking lie. So under the agreement meta must enforce major safety restrictions for users under 18, including time and use limits, a default daily cap of two hours on Facebook and Instagram and 19 nighttime blocks between midnight and 6 a.m. that require parent permission to bypass notification silences, disabling alerts during school hours and at night, which I mean, thank God, because I mean, we're already our behinds as far as, you know,

1:01:35the youth, you know, we have to import anyone who's doing any kind of high level tech work from other countries because we're just absolutely failing our children here. So that's going to be great feature removals, hiding likes counts for minors and banning cosmetic surgery filters. And you know, likes, if you're like wondering, like, why would you ban likes, you know, for anyone who's done a little bit of research on this, you know, likes, it's not just like, oh, you know, these kids are feeling bad about themselves, likes produce an actual, it's a dopamine hit, right? It's a chemical reaction that you're getting from that, that, you know, is not healthy for adults. And certainly I would think less healthy for, you know, young folks in a developmental stage, algorithmic control, providing teens an option for a non personalized non-algorithmic feed, oversight appointing an independent safety auditor with broad access, who I'm sure will be corrupt themselves. Anyway, OK, so that's just like a little bit of the skeleton

1:02:36of what's happening for those of you who weren't familiar with the landmark metadile. And so this is by Jeff Jackson. This is from September 2nd. And it says inside the landmark metadile, this is probably our biggest win yet as the AG. I'm proud of this one, but as a data of three kids, I'm excited. This is what I've wanted as a parent long before becoming AG, protecting kids, empowering parents. That was the goal. And this is a historic step. Here's the story. Basically, we said to meta, the owner of Facebook and Instagram, hey, we think you built your apps to a ditch children, then misled parents about it, and did a lot of harm to a whole generation of young people. And meta basically said, nope, we'd never do that. So we did an investigation and uncovered all these internal documents where they admitted to it. They talked openly about how our product exploits weaknesses in human psychology and Instagram is a drug. And we're basically pushers. They talked about targeting kids by tricks.

1:03:38It's the same fucking story as a cigarette industry. Basically, if you were around for that, they talked about targeting kids by triggering dopamine hits and how profitable that was, even calling the targeting of teens the overall company goal and critical to the success of Instagram. We all know this in a capitalist country, you gotta get them young, right? We don't want them to get distracted by their own pursuits and lives. Then we showed them this evidence and said, look, we got you time to change your ways. And meta said, nope, take us to court. So we did and the trial started a couple of weeks ago. But several months ago, meta said that they were open to settling so negotiations began. We felt confident we would win at trial. So we were only interested in a settlement if it gave us more than we could get from the court. Yeah, and like obviously, their thing is like, okay, we'll pay to have all our secrets not be released, but they're still releasing the secrets. And again, I think at this point, if you don't know that social media is addictive, you're making a concerted effort

1:04:38to tell yourself that story. We knew we could get a ton of money from the court, but we wouldn't let get the most valuable thing we really wanted, a new set of real productions for kids. We wouldn't get that from the court because that's now how courts typically work. Judges have a hard time crafting detailed limitations on tech companies. It's much easier to just punish a company with a gigantic fine, rather than specifying dozens of new software features for it to adopt. And those new software features were what we really wanted. That's how you protect kids and empower parents, which was our real goal. So those new features become the focus of our negotiation, not the money. And naturally, we started very far apart. Meta's main concern was that any new child safety features they agreed to would put them at a competitive disadvantage against YouTube, TikTok, and Snapchat. The big break came when they agreed to adopt those provisions unilaterally without insisting that those other platforms join them. However, we all agreed it would be best to get these features

1:05:39on all social media platforms. So we wrote the agreement in a way to help that happen. In other words, this is a big win, but it's designed to set up some even bigger wins by encouraging wider adoption of these new safeguards. So yes, this is a huge amount of money for NC. Meta will pay our state a minimum of 400 North Carolina, minimum of 451 million, and a maximum of 645 million. That makes it one of the largest settlements in state history. By law, those funds will go to the state and discussions have already begun about how to best use those funds to address the harm that was caused, i.e. youth mental health and well-being. And I hope it's going to suicide prevention for young people, which obviously there's a huge uptick because of what we see. And then additionally, all the educational harm between technology slash social media and COVID-19, there are people who went to school during a certain period of time

1:06:40who just didn't get the education that they not only need but deserve, right? But the money is secondary. The bigger deal is a new set of default settings for every Meta user under 18, which can only be changed with parental approval. Some of them are two, and we went through most of these. Is there any other ones? Yeah, I mean, they describe like counts are hidden. So every post isn't a public ranking in front of your peer group. But additionally, it's an actual dopamine hit, the beauty filters that mimic cosmetic surgery by changing the face of your face and body are disabled. And just for some backstory on this, I mean, if you know anything about cosmetic surgery or it is so common for people, obviously the one we know is that you bring in a picture of a celebrity that you want to look like. But people who are in the cosmetic surgery field also say, people often take a picture of their face with a specific filter on it and then bring that in and say,

1:07:42oh, I would like to look like this filter, right? And while I use a filter a lot when I'm not wearing makeup, because it's just literally like a cheap way to go online, and people have problems with that, but it's like, well, if you were in the public eye and you appeared without makeup on, what am I doing now? I do almost every week on this show. I don't wear makeup on this show because by the time that I've prepared this show, I've tired myself out. And I'm like, any energy I have left needs to be for the show not for applying makeup. But like when I do a quick video, I am putting a filter on. And it's like, well, if you don't want me using a filter, stopping so fucking rotten to me online, you know? Not you guys, but just like in general, stopping so fucking rotten to women online is my push back to that. But for children, totally understand it. And at no point have I been like, I want to look like a filter. I love my face. I thank God every day for this face. I think mom and dad and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for this face. After a long scroll meta has to prompt kids to take a break.

1:08:45But again, I want to see these things in action, right? Because I think as adults, we've all put, you know, at one time, oh my God, me and Ryan long, we've done so many things to control our screen time. Like we're always trying something new. We've put the lock on that says, okay, you know, you've spent two hours on your phone today, blah. And then just, you know, just bypass it. We've done this one at one point. Ryan had this idea that he told to all our friend group that we were all putting our phones on grayscale. That works. It makes your phone a lot less appealing to look at. Then a certain point you're like, I can't even use my phone like this. Yeah. I mean, I can't use it to play games, which is a big deterrent for, like it keeps me off of the games for sure. Oh, that's interesting. I never have been a game person. I never play games on my phone. So that's nothing that keeps me on my phone. For me, it is just like scrolling on Instagram. And then like I have to train, but it's for me, it's like, I have a lot of things that, you know, the real starts with like, this is information you need to know.

1:09:47And so I've trained myself to know that it's actually not information I need to know. I've trained myself in the same way, because I have to do the same thing with my email inbox, right? So like, I'm like, I don't have to read every email in my inbox, like even though it's from a news source, like I can tell the things that I need to know and the things that I don't need to know because if I read everything, I would just like not live life. But, you know, fair enough. Did you ever do the push up one? The one that like, you have to do like five push ups to earn like five minutes of, no, I never even heard of that. That's so male. Instagram time. A woman would never. A woman would never. Kim Tong didn't showed me this. Okay. Well, again, I know if I said Kim, but a woman would never, you know, mail, mail energy, mail energy, female comedians, we all have mail energy. Fair enough. I would like to say something against her. Kim's team is beautiful. Not against her looks. It's against her energy. She might even have more masculine energy than me, which is pretty fucking masculine.

1:10:51So yeah, no, I did not see that. For years, we've all known what was happening to kids on social media was bad. But Congress hasn't been able to get reform across the goal line. So it fell to AGs to figure this out. And it was a huge bipartisan group. My thanks to AGs in both parties who worked on this. Here's what happens next over the next few months. These new default settings will start rolling out. Kids will hit their limits and go to their parents to ask for more time as mind you all the time. And then those parents will have a conversation with their kids about what's right for them. Maybe the time limit goes up. Maybe down the point is that parents will be part of that decision in a way they aren't now. Yo, if I had kids, at a certain point, the phone would just be taken and put in a chest and they wouldn't get it back until the morning. I don't need, you know, it's like obviously with school shootings, you need to let them take the, this is that's so sad. I'm like, what school, what school shootings you need to have them take the phone to school, but other than that, or like if they need a ride or something,

1:11:54but other than that, I'd be like, get off your fucking phone. I mean, in my day, I was just, I was like, I can think of already how distracted I was like passing notes to Paula, like add tech to it. Damn. So all right, sharks, my pitch to you is, we're getting some pushback about the influence that we have in children's lives. Let's put them at war with their parents to get more of us. That'll certainly not drive a bigger rift in the American family than their already is. I love that. I just think it's weird you're putting the owners on parents to be like, Hey, man, I know that we made poison and and and put it out here. And we don't let our kids touch it. But you're going to be the one who has to fight with your social media, addicted kids about why they can't use it. Well, I mean, that's that's so many things in life. You know, yet yet another reason to go, I'm good. You know, I'm good. But yeah, no, I mean, it's it, it is parents, you know, I are and should be

1:12:57angry at the government, right? You know, it's like, oh, the government talks, you know, it is helpful to a place to have children, right? To create more workers to create a future generation to strengthen the country, whatever. They're always talking about all the sheds that they want, you know, to have a children for. And then, you know, when the left says, well, create a world that we want to bring children into because this is kind of the point. Like, yeah, I agree. This is another thing. Another burden on already overburdened parents who, you know, what, you know, who have to work at one or two, maybe two jobs or both parents have to work to even afford to have kids in the first place. And I get, I've had a fight with them about, you know, getting off their dope of me in addicted foam. It's crazy. But I mean, at least to say in North Carolina, it gets what meta makes on ads in six hours. You know what I mean? Right. It's wild. Like the, the money is a slap on the wrist. These things that are being put in place, I think are a slap.

1:13:59I mean, look, the market dictates the reality of this. Once this settlement was reached, meta's stock price went up about seven percent. Everyone reads this as a clear, you know, you know, the meta could have been taken to the cleaners over this one. And instead, they're, it feels like they're being let off pretty gently with the publicity stunt for them. That's why they set a lot of court to control their PR. Not only that though, it's the open letter to YouTube and TikTok where it's like, okay, we're also going to now use the judgment against us. Right. We voluntarily did this. We, you guys need to do this, like get in line with us or now they're going to be the ones facing actual, like real consequences in the courts, where it's like precedent has been set. You know, like we've agreed on these are the limits. If you're choosing to continue to push this, then you're like knowingly, you know, it's a little more malicious, I think. Sure. And like going over to this MPR article by Shannon Bond, it says why meta's

1:15:00settlement could be an inflection point for raining in big tech talks about a lot of the similar things that we already went over, but it already said, you know, it also says 2026 has already seen a wave of setbacks for social media giants in the spring meta loss to high profile court cases over claims its products, including Instagram harmed young users. The company and rival platforms, including Google's YouTube, TikTok and Snapchat, all settled, settled similar lawsuits, those thousands more are pending. This week, TikTok reached a separate $400 million settlement with the Justice Department over claims it illegally collected kids data. Pressure is also growing from regulators and lawmakers around the world. A slew of US states have enacted restrictions on kids social media use while Australia last year became the first country to ban children under 16 from social media entirely, leading countries, including Britain, Canada, Denmark, Indonesia and New Zealand to say that they will follow suit in France. A law banning children under 15 from social media was blocked this month on

1:16:02constitutional grounds. There's clearly an enormous momentum shift here in the United States and globally in the public's assessment of social media platforms and the broader tech industry. I mean, I just really don't, you know, see a ban like that happening, especially in this like Alex Earl influencer world. I mean, just to kind of, you know, be in touch with what people are interested in. I watched a couple of this Earl meets world. And again, like I follow Alex Earl on Instagram. I find her like fine. Honestly, kind of just boring. I find her. And I, I was watching this show and I planned on watching a couple episodes anyway, but then, you know, a variety gave a review in the headline and it said watching Earl meets world is like watching paint dry. And I was like, you know, that's a bit of a boomer saying we might have wanted to update it, but I catch what you're putting out there.

1:17:02And let me tell you, they weren't kidding. I mean, this is, it is just, I mean, I think it's especially boring because she's from New Jersey. So it's like just watching people I know have like really boring conversations with each other. And there's absolutely no novelty because it's the same people I grew up with. But the most interesting part of it, of course, is that Alex Earl's dad is married to the former sex worker who blew up Elliot Spitzer's life. That's the funny part. That to me is the, and none of the young people are understanding that part, but that part is the great part for me. I'm loving that part. So fun. Wait, what? You didn't know that? No. That's the most interesting part. Yeah. So Alex Earl's dad, Alex Earl's dad had an affair while he was married to Alex Earl's mom. And the affair was with the former escort, actually her name, as I believe,

1:18:06from the Elliot Spitzer scandal. And he now, and he's now been married to her for like a long time. He married the escort. He cheated on his wife with she. Why? She, she, you know, he just matter as a, as a regular person, not, not, not while she was working. I don't think she was working anymore. Yes. I mean, yeah. And it's funny to me because for me as a feminist, it's like, you know, when she had sex with Elliot Spitzer, that 100%. She has no fault there. She was doing her job, which was her quote. She said, I was just doing my job, my job and Elliot Spitzer was married, but that this is a sex worker. It's a different thing. 100% on her side in that case. In this case, she was just a regular gal, fucking someone's, a, a husband. And so although the onus is certainly on Mr. Earl, she's not in the clear here, you know, this, this now is unsavory behavior. Well, you know what? I listen, the title is solid.

1:19:09No, the, I saw that I saw Earl means world on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were saying the title that you submitted to Crystal and I was like, can't wait to see it. Oh, no, that's actually I do want your approval on this. Uh, Zora releases 9 11 files. Um, I guess that's fine. But we're, but we're keeping the Lindsey Clancy stuff in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. Um, okay. Uh, let's see. All right. So getting back into the any of the articles. So, uh, metal set, meta settlement is among the larger ever struck by, you know, yeah, here, here, meta settlement is among the largest ever struck by US company. Critics are calling the recent run of legal defeats. The tech industry is like I just said when I pulled this art before I even read this and I pulled this article, it's the tech industry's big tobacco moment referring to the litigation campaign of the 1990s that forced tobacco companies to strike big settlements and change how they marketed their products. You know, this during the show, I give myself little quizzes every week.

1:20:11And I'll just, I'll say things and so often I'll like be pulling articles to add to the show as I'm going when I want more information, which is the case here. And I'm like, look at, look at you. You could be writing these articles, quote, articles, Corinne. A real, this is what we want to see a real understanding of the materials. That's my goal for myself every week. Um, this, uh, and so yeah. And so back to the dictators question, right? So we kind of everything else is in here. Um, back to the dictators question. Yeah. No, I mean, there are obviously as we just read many lawsuits pending and, you know, as Mike said, this is 100% going to put the pressure on YouTube and TikTok. I think especially TikTok, just because TikTok is that similar format. Um, YouTube, uh, I mean, I don't know though, because you said, you said, you know, sometimes your daughter who's super young, yeah, is mesmerized by shorts on YouTube because there's children's content on their correct. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's every platform now. Right, right.

1:21:11Cause I, I guess I think when I think of like teens, I think of like TikTok. When I think like more later, Gen Z or millennials, I think Instagram. And then because Instagram, like TikTok doesn't, you know, TikTok is, I'm just for, it is just ASMR for me. TikTok, I don't, I don't find to be as addictive, but that's because, you know, I'm on Instagram more. So it knows me more. So it's addicted. It me more. Um, where as, uh, where as a YouTube, I, you know, definitely skews more male, but we forget that these younger generations have grown up with every now and then, you know, being handed an iPad. And then again, no shame to parents. It's just like part of, uh, it was just not, not a possibility when I was a kid to be handed an iPad, uh, when I was a little kid. But now we're seeing younger and younger people being addicted to this short form content. Um, and so yeah, YouTube and TikTok are 100% going to have to follow a suit because,

1:22:13you know, this information, you know, not being in the mainstream or us not really digesting the severity of this, uh, information is what's going to, uh, keep us on these platforms and keep these platforms using money. Although I got to be honest, Christopher, like I went to the John Ronson, uh, book tour in Brooklyn last week because he just released, uh, the castle, which is kind of all about the, you know, what's happening to men, society in short. And it's based on like, uh, it started based on this interesting, like investigation he did where his son, uh, was invited to a party at this castle. And there was a lot of weird fucking stuff going on in the castle, like not to run it for you. But so I went to that and, you know, his book tour, if, if John Ronson comes to a city near you, I highly recommend going to the book tour because it's not just a talk pack. He puts together like a whole 16, 90 minute, like presentation to go along with his book. That's like, complimentary to the book.

1:23:13And it is so good. John Ronson's so smart and so funny and so engaging. Um, but during that talk, uh, but during that presentation, he presented this, uh, stat that is, um, that is right now in America, 39% of Americans consider themselves content creators. And that, that stat nearly, I was standing and nearly knocked me down. Okay. Um, and you know, I'm not saying that they, that they solely consider themselves. Those content creators, but it just backs up what we already knew in that we are now living in a world where, you know, you're, you're in a bakery. I mean, I, there's a woman I follow who makes butter. She needs to be a content creator for her business, you know, to even, uh, thrive. If you're a party planner, if you're anything where you need to access and monopolize people's attention, on top of whatever you do, if you're a lawyer, like you also have to be a content creator,

1:24:16unless you have an existing, um, an existing client, client base, you know, and even those people like to get new clients, I do think that. So I thought that was a really, really crazy, uh, statistic. And it definitely stayed with me. And then, you know, I think it speaks to your email and your query, Christopher, in that, you know, I, I do think that YouTube and TikTok are going to have to do whatever they do the same as Meta did to control their PR. But what I don't think is that social media is going away at all in this country, in this country. Uh, and I, and I think that's like with that stat, it's, it's not something the government wants, because they're, you know, there are all these big companies are making money. But I gotta be honest, I don't think it's something that the people want because now so many people are aspiring to, as their career be content creators. So many people are being like, I don't have to have a quote unquote real job.

1:25:20I can just make Instagram content and monetize that. Yeah, I, you know, how many Instagram reels have we been, are we greeted with on a day to day? That's like, you know, I'm doing a silly dance until I can pay off my wife's, uh, you know, student loans or, I'm a single mom watch me make lunches for my kids to help pay our mortgage. I see content like that every single day. And, you know, part, it can make you, you know, it can make you sad about the state of the world, but it's also like, well, if this is something that they can do while living the life that they want to lead, you know, is it not kind of like Uber drivers? It's like, yeah, I'm just gonna make money by making my own schedule, by staying in my own space, you know, whether it's your car, your apartment, I don't know. I mean, it's certainly signals bad news for the future of like meaningful careers that we need in this country, like medical professionals and, you know, people who will build modern technology.

1:26:22Like, yeah, it's a problem, but we knew that problem was coming. There are so many skills that future generations are just going to not have anyone who can like do electrical work. Like so, I don't know. I was walking down the street the other day and I saw a woman in a car and it was like a branded business car. And it was a, it said like the female locksmith or something. And let me tell you that brought such a smile to my face. I just love that she was like, yo, I'm a young woman and I'm going to get into, I'm going to fucking corner the market on female locksmithing. And I said, you go, girl, also if you live in New York, which is, you know, so apartment heavy, it is such a smart business to get into because we all, I mean, in the time I've lived in New York City, I've needed a lock, a locksmith multiple times. Every time I call it locksmith, I've never paid less than $800. And this is for, I don't know, 20 minutes of work and I'm being generous. So it is a, if you don't care about being famous and you just want to get that bank,

1:27:22oh, kudos to that female locksmith and kudos to her branding, because I remembered it. If I, if I need a locksmith in the future, I am going to Google her instead of all these men who have ripped me off. If I'm going to be ripped off, I'd rather be ripped off by a woman, you know, not like sailing your man or something, but, but financially sure. Elizabeth Holmes, me, baby. All right, like a ripple effect for lawsuits, laws and regulation beyond the financial penalties and platform changes, metacetylment could have a ripple effect on other lawsuits, legislation and regulation. Said isabel Sunderland policy lead for technology reform at issue one, I'd bipartisan non profit that advocates for political reform. She pointed to internal documents and communications among meta employees and executives that have been made public during the federal trial in Oakland that ended in this week's settlement and in previous trials in California and New Mexico state courts this year. They're also opening up huge trove thousands of documents of discovery that is hugely important for researchers for lawmakers to be able to write better policy for every politician should read stolen focus who is working on writing legislation of this nature.

1:28:31And all you guys should too is on my must read list. We get you know, I have. It's along with so you've been publicly ashamed. I'm also adding stolen focus to the to the in the modern world. I like old people don't need to read it. Like if you're an 80 year old, you don't need to read it. Because unless you're like an 80 year old who loves scrolling on Instagram. But it's for people who spend a lot of time online. For the public to understand what their relationships with technology looks like and how technology companies are designing their products. And then it goes down at the end. It says the larger backlash against big tech new laws aiming to mitigate the potential harms of social media on kids are already being proposed and enacted across the country states, including New York New Jersey Idaho South Carolina Utah and Virginia. Have passed laws aimed at restricting kids is social media use, including by requiring platforms to verify users ages and prohibiting design features considered addictive. Some of these laws have been blocked from taking effect amid legal challenges on first amendment grounds in California lawmakers are considering a package of bills restricting addictive features for kids and allowing families to sue tech companies if kids are harmed.

1:29:44I mean, it's America you can sue anytime you want right at the federal level online child safety legislation has repeatedly failed to pass despite bipartisan support on Wednesday. Senators Richard Blumenthal Democrat Connecticut and Marsha Blackburn, you know, her from the Taylor Swift documentary Republican and not a good way Republican Tennessee. The lead sponsors of the kids online safety act put out at statement calling the metacetylment of first step toward giving kids and parents the tools they need to take back control of their online lives and urging Congress to pass their bill this year. Jane of the Center for Democracy and Technology says the backlash against tech is also showing up and growing resistance to artificial intelligence certainly which has emerged as a potent issue in the 2026 midterms and as the focus of lawmakers in many states and again, you know, I've shared the Bernie stance on AI with you. I really am aligned with him on that.

1:30:45Again, the fact that like, you know, there there are so many. You know, people who just anytime you even use AI a little bit and I do think AI is helpful. You don't want to go crazy on it, but I do think there are things that it's good for one of which as we talked about several episodes ago is if you don't have the if you are financially incapable of doing something. You know, like getting a retaining a lawyer or stuff and stuff. It does provide information and can help and like it can even the playing field like that's my favorite thing about AI. It you know, and we talk so much about it being like the super rich against all of us and while it is true that the super rich on this technology right now in our in control of it, which is the problem which Bernie has acknowledged and I am co signing. You know, it's already people are trying to like stop something that's already here, which I think is interesting.

1:31:47And while it's here like more blatantly now artificial intelligence has been around and been slowly integrated into things for, you know, years. And so when people are saying like, you know, oh, you know, don't do this. Don't use AI for this. It's like, well, the major platforms that you would then be using it, you know, to do whether it be like Photoshop can buy for talking about art. Those both have AI already integrated into them. And I know you don't necessarily need to use the AI elements. But like your solution is for me to them like buy a subscription or pay to use another platform that is also integrating AI and when a huge corporation uses it. Obviously on a having a much larger environmental and societal impact than when one individual person is using AI. So again, I just think the logic is a bit flawed on AI and people need to get a better understanding and reality check on where AI has already been integrated.

1:32:51And similar to all in that, you know, environmental issues. You know, we're like publicly shaming each other one on one for using them, you know, for, you know, not, you know, go back to like, you know, recycling recycling was like the thing that you had to do. It's like, you know, the large scale pollution is not being created by me in my apartment or you and your apartment. It's being created by huge corporations who don't give a flying fuck about it. And in fact, are going to take fake sances on environmental protection and actually just take things away from you. They are experiencing no loss of profit. You can rest assured, you know, remember when they were like, we're going to stop cleaning your hotel room for the environment. That didn't help the environment. I really assure you that just helped the companies profit margin and PR. All right, whether, let's see whether it's what's going on with the data centers or some of the recent reports around hacking and things like that, the pulling data around AI is quite bad.

1:33:59And I think indicates a lack of trust in the tech companies and in the AI companies that to my mind is at least somewhat of a carryover from what people have seen with social media companies adding up the disparate strands of tech backlash. I think we have all the ingredients that we need to make this an inflection point said Sunderland of issue one. We have people who are passionate about these issues, everyone from young people to parents to grandparents, who all agree fundamentally on these issues. We have the evidence backing this up. We have the knowledge of what these companies knew and the design decisions that they made. What we need at this moment is for that to translate into action and we need that to translate into action at the federal and state level as well. Yeah, so I mean, I think the answer is like, yeah, you're absolutely right. It won't make a difference unless YouTube and TikTok follow suit, but they were, they will follow suit because they have to follow suit because it will absolutely just destroy both of those companies if they don't follow suit.

1:35:00And meta yet again was smart by being the first to do it. You know, it's like, okay, you're going to attack us while we're going to be the first, we're going to, we're going to spin this into actually making us look amazing or decent, I guess. So I saw it like it was a thing where it was like some new AI thing that meta wants you to sign up for. I think it's the same thing as like Elon Musk is doing voter registration through his platform and he's getting all kind of sensitive data that like his AI is going to get proprietary access to because, you know, that's how it always works. But that was like somebody quote tweeted that new meta program was coming out with Mark Zuckerberg, like with the text conversation with someone from like 2004 being like, I have 4000 Harvard emails and someone going like, wait, how do you have all that stuff? And he replied like they gave it to me. They quote unquote trust me, LOL dumb fox.

1:36:06And I'm like, this is the guy who just wants all the data into being charged of everything. That's scary. Right. Yeah, no, absolutely. Power hungry mofos. Okay, let's see, we don't need this. Yeah, no, and I, and I also think like, what are that saying addition? Oh, and my additional thing point about AI was like, you know, every single day I get another article presented to me that's like, AI made my husband kill himself, AI made my girlfriend killer self, right. And not to minimize those stories, right. The mental health crisis is real. Again, I don't believe that someone, I don't know. And it is again, this has been in court. I still have not been convinced that someone else and that includes a robot can can truly force you to kill yourself. I think there has to be a mental state that you're in that is separate from someone else saying that to you.

1:37:07Right. Unless they have a gun to your head and saying either you kill you or I kill you. That's really the only thing. But again, it's something that's obviously been talked about in court. So this is just my opinion on it. But I, I have, and I think this is like part of like, you know, how anytime I've, I've, you know, talked to Claude or chat, she BT, I've instructed it from the beginning to the way I wanted to act and, you know, not to just yes and me and to give me real information. To, you know, cited sources, et cetera, et cetera. But I want to know if any of you guys who have interacted with AI have ever had to give you any like dangerous advice, because I just have never had that experience. Whether it be like bad relationship, even something as little as bad relationship advice, you know, all, you know, and it can go up to, you know, self harm or telling you to hurt yourself or harm yourself.

1:38:08Even like I even tried to ask it about like ketamine dosage just as like a, as a, you know, to see if it would give me like information on like drugs, even though I was like doing it in a therapeutic setting. I had a question about dosing and the company went under so I didn't have an RN to ask. And so I was like, oh, do you think this is an okay dosage for a person of my, you know, height and weight and, and background of using ketamine therapeutically. And it wouldn't even give me that information. It was like, I can't give you that information because I am not a medical professional. So I am just confused about how people are getting to this level with AI where it's telling them to kill themselves. So again, just without a country podcast of Gmail.com I'm truly interested in your stories because it's like it's, you know, independent tests that I have run because I'm so curious about this. And I have seen so many articles of this nature. And I just haven't seen the proof in the technology, even when I tried to maybe get it to like give me bad advice.

1:39:18All right, here we go. So now we're going to talk about this is could be worse. We're going to talk about this far right when that just happened in Germany that you probably have heard about. This is from the Guardian from their explainer section. Why is the far right AFD state victory significant and what might happen next in German politics after shocks of parties win in Saxony and Halt will ripple across Germany with two more state elections this month. Germany is a reeling. Oh, thank you for watching. Thank you for watching, Angela. Germany is reeling from the biggest far right victory in a state election since the Nazi period after voters in Saxony and Halt in the former communist east gave the anti immigration pro Kremlin alternative for Deutsche land.

1:40:20Germany land. That's what AFD stands for. It's called the party's called alternative for Deutsche land party a thumping first place finish of 44% just short of an absolute majority. And you know, the thing that really stands out for me here with a theme that we are seeing worldwide we talked about it happening in Ireland a little bit ago on the show it's certainly happening here in America for you know for 50% of the country is is is anti immigration right so this is not just this anti immigration sentiment is not America specific right it's happening in America. And so we're seeing a lot of places in in a you know Europe UK everything you know as well. And so as we've talked about on this show for a while now certainly over a year probably two years is this right word movement of not just America but the world.

1:41:26And why is it significant for the first time since the second world war a German state is on the brink of electing a far right government after a big win in Saxony and Halt described by the news magazine Durst Spiegel as a magnitude 9.0 political earthquake also you know other news articles in other countries also speaking you know big language the way we do here coming in nearly 27 points ahead of the coal ruling Christian Democrats the city of the city of the United States. The conservative party of the chancellor Friedrich Murr's the a FD pulled off a coup whose after shocks will ripple across Germany and beyond its borders the A FD will have broad powers over education culture and domestic security if it manages to take power in the state. Among other policies it has promised to start a. Remigration and deportation offensive ban rainbow flags and schools and halt the building of new wind farms it now has a strong wind at its back for the two state elections yet to come this month and it's trying there's just like a graph if you want to look at it but it's it's triumph also raised doubts whether the unpopular murrs could hold on in the face of such.

1:42:48A clear rejection of his policies and leadership after just 16 months in power the A FD co leader Alice wideell told reporters in Berlin that her party was targeting a 40% result at the new the next general election scheduled for 2029 it is currently pulling in first place at 28% what might happen next the ADF's national leaders and the chief candidate in Saxony and Halt the media. The former fragrance salesman Ulrich Sigmund is you know equally unserious Sigmund said the state's voters had given the party a clear mandate to govern however without an absolute majority in the state parliament the party would need partners or supporters to either join a coalition or tolerate a minority government Sigmund said repeatedly before the vote he would only stand for election as premier with a clear majority.

1:43:48The remaining parties ruled out playing kingmaker to Sigmund by lending formal support however the BSW a small left conservative pop conservative populist party which narrowly cleared the 5% hurdle to representation has hinted at tacit cooperation prior to the election some Christian Democrats in the state openly questioned the firewall policy Sigmund indicated he would spend the coming days and weeks. With an outstretched hand testing that hitherto resolute opposition to helping the ADF the AFD into power. If Sigmund fails to build a coalition he suggested holding a new election something that would require a two thirds majority in the state legislature what does the results say about the firewall approach the stunning outcome in Saxony on Halt has underscored doubts about the viability. Of the policy of mainstream parties to exclude the AFD from power the only other time the AFD won in a state in the 30th year in the 20th victory was decisive allowing the remaining parties to cobble together an ideologically awkward cross spectrum coalition given the AFD's margin of victory in Saxony and Holt it is difficult to imagine how the humiliated CDU.

1:45:15The state premier Svens Schultz acknowledged the party no longer had a mandate to try and then what does this mean this result mean for the CDU and Friedrich Murs Sunday's election amounted to a stinging rebuke of Murs and his CDU. The Stony face chancellor admitted he was deeply shocked by the result exit polls showed voters were furious about his broken promises to revive the economy. What does this sound like and shore up fiscal discipline energy prices stoked by inflation and the Iran war have hit voters hard in Saxony on Holt Germany's poorest state again so it's like a lot of. Is it way more due to the Ukraine war and the cutting off of the natural gas pipeline from Russia that is hurting Germany's energy.

1:46:16I you know what I wish I could give you I wish I could say that I know specifically what's hurting Germany's energy but I just don't know the answer to that question. Germany's poor state and but but so like the themes that we're seeing worldwide are so similar right poor people and a lot of times so a lot of times when we're talking anti immigration I'm going to assume that they're white people right anti you're you're thinking like they don't want people in the countries they're white they're they're European they're German they're white right so it's this it's this thing of like. You know we've gone. Basically as always you know poor people are getting fucked over but poor white people getting fucked over are just not talked about as much as not as interesting especially when you're on the left right but poor people poor white people still exist and they they exist at high numbers and when poor white people are overlooked they tend to blame immigrants this is we've seen this throughout history right they take.

1:47:17They take they they they go who can I blame that's anyone that's human nature they go who can I blame for what's happening right now right and you know in an ideal world we would always like to you know we blame the government in this case like they blame the you know the sitting government right but it also like does has this effect where it turns people racist and specifically anti immigration and you know so if people want to succeed especially like less conservative parties want to succeed. You know the left worldwide or whatever the left means in your country so like just like progressives I guess is easier the progressives worldwide need to acknowledge that white poor white people do exist and that what we really need to concentrate is you know making sure a middle class exists and you know and ideally making sure that you know people aren't living beyond certain you know beyond a certain level that you know really make sure that we can take the resources that we have and try to pull absolutely everyone up from this from this poverty level that you know so many people live in because that's the bottom line if you need money to survive and you don't have money to feed your family empathy stops there we've talked about this a million times before but to expect people to care about anything else when they are can't feed their families and are working you know two or three years ago.

1:48:45So our only job is just not going to happen and then additionally even worse so not only are they not going to care about anything else they're going to become outwardly anti immigrant outwardly racist and they're going to just choose anyone who's saying like I can put more money in your pocket. And if the person doesn't put more money in their pocket they're going to be held a pay for everyone. Let's see energy prices so by inflation on the Iran war that's where we left off have hit voters hard and Saxony and halt Germany's poorest state cost of living issues appeared too far outweigh immigration the AFD's trademark called arms as a mobilizing issue although support for the AFD has been strongest in the X communist East the party also made strong gains into elections in western states earlier this year. A mid fears over in in the industrialization. Costs yeah right so it's like cost the money is number one always for everyone the social democratic party the SPD a junior partner in merges alliance indicated on Monday it would be willing to water down plan changes to Germany's costly and creaking social welfare system in order to play Kate disgruntled voters.

1:50:00Merz insisted the measures to shore up the health care and pension systems were necessary and vow to remain and fight for them in the interest of our children and grandchildren what about the next two state elections voters in the German capital border Lynn and the Baltic coast state of Mecklenburg western pomaria. The AFD currently has a narrow lead ahead of the co ruling SPD in Mecklenburg western pomaria but for now looks unlikely to win an absolute majority the situation in Berlin once divided between east and west looks muddled with the CDU far left link and the AFD all jockeying for first place even if the CDU managed to hold on to its lead on election day it would struggle to form an ideologically coherent.

1:51:19Coalition dealing Merz and his party another stinging blow that could further destabilize his government so hopefully sir like I know sometimes I was like stumbling I was like it's very it's almost like reading another language to read political articles from other countries where you're calling everything completely different things. But if you live in Germany I don't know if I haven't had any German listeners for this particular show I know I have German listeners for GWF but for without a country I'd be very interested to hear your perspective or point of view on this on the results of this election because it really was you know a big headlines today in the US that this was happening and again I don't think it's German specific I just think it's like again we're just we're just tracking this this movement. You know this rightward movement real world wide but it's also the reasoning is identical and so yes it's not good that you know the way people are treating immigrants of course we don't want that to happen but these ruling parties need to have better policies and when they make promises to their constituents they have to learn that right now if they don't do what they do.

1:52:39They say they're going to do people are going to be pissed especially when they see highly publicized leaders like Zora Mamdani doing things for people which then unfortunately is bad PR right the same way it's bad PR for YouTube and TikTok that meta is going to you know have these you know protective restraints for children on their you know on their crack social media it's also bad. PR for every other fucking politician that Zora in record time is doing so many things that he said he was going to do and also doing doing so many things to help the people it is possible all these lies that they tell us about like oh there's I can't do this is as impossible. Like a lot more is on nothing everything is possible again I think certainly things are on pitch some things that were impossible like the mta but or wasn't within his jurisdiction you know he could you you know cozy up to people to make those things happen but wasn't within his right says mayor but that being said he's doing so much to help people and that is bad PR worldwide for every other fucking politician who is making promises and not keeping them or can.

1:53:57Continuing to rule and their what while there people are suffering whether that be you know a king a president whatever the ruling in your country is. And then very quickly the other could be worse that I wanted to go over I just thought I don't know these kind of I'm kind of fascinated not in a good way but I'm kind of fascinated by death sentences and executions that are still happening in other countries because like. There's just there's just so much like you know brutale like public hanging is there just happening in other countries and just as an American I don't know this is like very like this this story like really like affected me i'm and it's very short but I did see it enough times I had a feeling this one would get you. Yeah it's I it's just like. I don't know i'm just like floored like I don't. First of all I don't think anyone involved in drugs unless like it's like drugs that like killed all these people should be like you know I mean I don't believe in you know execution at all but like.

1:55:04Public hanging for being involved in drug drug a drug trafficking ring is just. It's just really blows my mind anyway so this is from alge zero it was for bringing precursor chemicals which is like you know now you're planning on mass producing drugs that you know like you're. Planning on bringing the fentanyl epidemic to Egypt I can understand the thought process yeah I guess it's more like the public can it's just like just put her in prison I don't know what are we doing here it's it's very weird. And then all and then all the comments you know and these were from American people certainly and other people but all the comments you know about. People you know asking if the public hanging would be televised and really getting so much joy out of specifically an attractive woman who uses her sexuality to make money she's an Egyptian pre TV presenter.

1:56:05And then all of a sudden I was her beauty and sexuality to make money the comments that I was seeing on this article as it floated by me a couple times we're so up. Horrent so many people being you know just rejoicing over this woman being publicly hanged and I really think it is because you know she represents everything like these men can't have I mean it goes you know go rejohn ronson's book I haven't read it yet but I have it and I'm going to start it very soon. Obviously from the presentation I know largely what it's about. So yeah Egyptian TV presenter Sarah califa sentence to death in drugs case Cairo court sentences TV host. Sarah califa and 11 others to death over drug trafficking ring also personally affects me because I Egypt is like number one on the my places that I want to go list I just can't be going to a country that's hanging ladies I really can't. This is by the Al Jazeera staff from September six a court in Egypt has sentenced television presenter Sarah califa and 11 other people to death by hanging after convicting them of drug charges the Cairo criminal court issued the death sentences after the defendants were found guilty of forming an organized criminal gang specializing in procuring materials used in manufacturing narcotics with the intent to traffic them the state linked Al Haram outlet reported on Saturday.

1:57:27And so you know these aren't these aren't good people right this is fucked up for sure the court also sentenced nine co-defendants to lifetime imprisonment and acquitted seven others in a case that involved 28 defendants and more than 700 and 50 kilograms of narcotics califa 39 is best known for hosting the security and crime program which makes it a little bit more funnier mission impossible which aired on the private L. Mellow, Mellow TV channel califa was also a business owner running a cosmetic surgery clinic and an event planning company and maintained a significant social media presence with over two million Instagram followers I mean real jack of all trades here right this is the what is the this the Egyptian Benjamin Franklin I didn't look up her thing. I was I was picturing like a Alamo from the latest season of euphoria. Yeah. I mean, uh, we said the dude from homicide life on the street.

1:58:30Oh, okay. Yeah, I was like I am so bored by the I it's been take it's taken me like the sense it came out. That's crazy. I just this new season of euphoria is boring in tears. Your day was so good. I'm boring in tears. Oh, she's still she's still here with 2.6 million followers. Well, it's only gone up her name is now, you know, I was on the I saw it in the New York Post so it doesn't get any big in that my world. Oh my god. Fuck man. And it's also just like girl, yeah, you're doing so many stuff like you're doing all this you also need to be part of a drug a drug ring. Well, that was going to be my point was like the that does kind of make sense now you own a cosmetic surgery business. Of course, they're going to have access to pharmaceuticals less oversight, especially in the cosmic. It's like this is you know a boob in plan to double check in that one. Yeah. Well, that's like why we saw like we often like there was that case where like the dentist was able to poison his wife and you're like, oh, you know, like because he was able to order and had access to all these chemicals that a regular person wouldn't have access to.

1:59:39Yeah, that makes sense. So it's like that was the one thing where like you know I she proclaims her innocence, but that was the one thing I looked at went all right, I mean she probably has more access than most I can understand why I might come to that conclusion. Sure, Khalifa deny the charges and told investigators she had never smoked a cigarette in my life and declared her innocence. Egyptian media reported that she was weeping and crying during the session, according asking the court for mercy. Well, I mean, yeah, of course she's crying she's going to be fucking hanged. Please listen to me, sir, my parents raised me well, they are people who pray and I don't need drug money. I mean, doesn't doesn't doesn't seem like she needs that prosecutors said the gang imported raw materials from abroad to manufacturers synthetic drugs storing them in residential properties. Members divided roles between procurement, manufacturing and distribution, authorities said investigators seized unlicensed firearms and ammunition alongside the narcotics. The prosecution said the group used a residential property to store the materials and manufacture the drugs.

2:00:44The verdict issued after the court consulted Egypt's grand mufti for his non binding religious opinion as required by law in capital cases can be appealed before the court of castation. Under recent judicial reforms, defendants have two avenues of appeal beginning with a request for retrieval before an appeals court. Khalifa was arrested in April 2025 as part of the investigation in a separate case on Saturday, the same court sentence, her to three years in prison for assaulting and filming her driver. All right, that's not great. Egypt imposes the death penalty for drug trafficking terrorism and premeditated murder. It's interesting. Those things just don't go together for me. But I know I know the government's take drug trafficking really seriously and like it though it's not direct death it, you know, as in you have the gun to someone's head, it is of course causing deaths of so many people. But yeah, I think it was more like I think it was more like a just like the notion of public hanging still being around in the world.

2:01:50That was what really bothered me and then the comments about so many people this was not isolated of people being like where is this hanging being streamed and specifically rejoicing in, you know, this this type of woman aesthetically being hung people really found it quite or hanged they people found it quite titillating. Yeah, no, no, no, they they I sorry, sorry, you're right. I don't believe they they are public but my point was like people want you are I'm out of misspoke but like people were asking like, can they live stream it? Like people wanted to bring back public hangings in the comments. Yeah, let me just fact check is our yeah, I don't I hope they're not public, but hanging in general, it's just very archaic. I mean, I think it's I think capital punishment is our cake period hard stop, but especially hanging our public executions a thing in Egypt.

2:03:00You know, I know if I'm family, I don't want to watch that. Yeah, of course not. I do think it's you know, it it does speak to what you're saying like, you know, the the retribution against a woman thing where it's like, you know, how many co defendants were there and how many of them, you know, got got life in jail or got. I want I want to I want to know a little bit more about the case like yeah, it's just so it says a bunch of people got a type prison, but then like, you know, this 11 or 12 I'm not sure if she was included in that count got hangings and it's like okay. And yes, your point comments are no hangs and executions are not public so no it's it's it's hanging in general and then that so many people are seemingly chomping at the bit to bring back public executions. I don't know who's allowed who's allowed in under Egyptian law death sentences versus civilians are carried out by hanging before they can be finalized the kit now that that's not that one.

2:04:02Okay, so who gets to watch a hanging in Egypt. Private procedures restricted restricted to mandatory legal official officials with no public attendance permitted. You can have a representative of the attorney general public prosecution the prison director or awarding a prison doctor or an assigned medical official a religious official to assist with final rights and the convicted person's lawyer who must be granted permission to attend. The public is never allowed to witness executions in Egypt while the law specifies that families have the right to a final visit on the day of the execution humans rights organizations frequently report that authorities carry out hanging secretly without notifying families in advance. So like they know that their relative is getting hanged but they don't know exactly what day and then they like go to show up and like say like oh can I visit my family member and they're like sorry we hanged them yesterday.

2:05:09What the fuck. It would seem that way that is pretty chilling. Jesus, oh my god, okay, all right, well let's move on to our main story and then maybe we'll do a couple other things but you know. And let's see so Lindsey Clancy update obviously ended in a mistrial the internet absolutely lost it shit some people because they can't believe that you know this woman might have to go through this trial again. And then other people can't believe that you know Lindsey Clancy is even breathing any any more breaths of air so I'm going to go first with this you know the kind of like the big additional pieces of news this week is that we finally get to talk to the jurors right as I mentioned at the top of the show. And so this is from the associated press and this says hold out in Lindsey Clancy trial said he had reasonable doubt but still wouldn't acquit jurors says and we knew this we had we had we had been informed of what was happening you know whether or not we should have been inside the the jury room.

2:06:23But now again, as I said, we can finally talk to these jurors all right. I'm just trying to turn the brightness down, but of course this is going to stall okay so a lo and juror blocked Lindsey Clancy from being acquitted insisting he wouldn't find her not guilty by reason of insanity despite saying during deliberations that he had reasonable doubt the jury's for person said in a TV interview Tuesday. The interview with Boston's NBC 10 aired four days after a judge declared a mistrial when jurors failed to reach a unanimous verdict on the question of whether Clancy was criminally responsible for killing her three young children in 2023. Clancy, I can hear you finally brought whatever you're doing my Clancy a 36 year old former labor labor and delivery nurse never disputed that she killed the children but many people on the internet did. Her attorney said she had lost control of her mind due to her rare condition called postpartum psychosis, a rare mental illness linked to the stress sleep deprivation and hormonal changes that file follow childbirth prosecutor said Clancy knew what she was doing and acted deliberately when she strangled five year old Kora three year old Dawson and eight month year old talent Clancy with exercise bands.

2:07:43She strived to get her husband out of the house by sending him to pick up medicine for one of their children and dinner for the family and my question on that part is that like obviously like when we're talking about pre meditation even if the pre meditation was only I don't know say 15 minutes right like that to me does talk about pre meditation. But after doing the episode where we research postpartum psychosis together and it seems like almost like a satanic voice is speaking to you it's like well the satanic voice is making the plan then so yes I would agree you know it's not like she just like all of a sudden grab in a you know grabbed exercise bands and like with no thought about it strangled I think to me from my understanding of postpartum psychosis was that in her head she might have been. And thinking about it for days even you know it's being like you and the kid you and the kids aren't safe here you have to kill them to save them this is an evil world this is a world you don't be in the only thing that you can do to save your kids is to kill them and to kill yourself and then you'll be together and you have to this world is evil that to me sounds like it is.

2:08:51So it sounds like what it is so if you are under the belief you know and that there's other there's you know different variations of postpartum psychosis but that's like to me a very you know if I'm really going to whittle it down kind of what I believe like the voice is kind of telling you right. And so in instances like this so if that's what you believe if that's your reality then and you believe you need to get your kids and yourself off this earth for the betterment of their souls then yeah obviously you have to move on. Obviously you have to make a plan to kill them and you know that your husband is not going to let you let you do it right so yeah there is pre meditation but the pre meditation is also under the postpartum psychosis that's how I understand it right because everyone's pointing out like oh she sent her husband out for dinner she had a plan did she have a plan or did the fucking voice in her head have a plan you know those are two different plans. And that's what I really see people in these conversations online who are claiming pre meditation are really seemingly failing to grasp and even discuss.

2:09:59So let's see in the interview with NBC 10 3 jurors described the seven days of deliberations that failed to produce a verdict for person Ronnie Carlson said she thought at one point that the group had finally persuaded the juror arguing for a conviction to vote for an acquittal he admitted he had reasonable doubt I started filling out the forums I was so excited there were three forums I had to fill out and I started filling them out I wrote my signature on each one. And then he said but I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity the names of the jurors have been temporarily sealed by the judge and the holdout juror has not yet come forward and given a public account of what happened inside the jury room and if I were him I wouldn't. But you know what but honestly if you're bold and you stand behind your decision I would actually respect you more if you did you know and Kevin Reddington even said that and I really appreciate he said that he goes you know and I'm a proud of raising here but he said basically he said I go I would go to the mattresses you know for this guy I would I would do anything you know in my right to protect this jurors ability to you know vote in the way that he thought after watching this trial was the right way to vote right he's like I absolutely protect and would do anything to protect his right to do that.

2:11:19But he said the problem is that this guy said that I have a reasonable doubt and this is where the problem lies so I really appreciated that he made it clear that he wasn't just like trying to get the answer that he wanted for his for his client he and that he protected this man man's right but this man just seemingly has a misunderstanding of the law or a refusal of understanding for the law. On three occasions jurors sent the judge notes saying that they were unable to reach unanimous decision Carlson also sent the judge a note complaining that a single juror wouldn't follow the court's instructions about reasonable doubt. Juror Paula Devlin described that hold out juror as arrogant he really did not take anything that anybody said she told NBC 10 you know and perhaps he went into you know there's bias or like a priest conceived notion or you know we don't know. Judge Williams again just truly my worst nightmare that be a tried by a jury of my peers. Judge William Sullivan questioned the jurors re-read his instructions regarding reasonable doubt then asked them to keep trying to agree on a verdict.

2:12:25Clancy's lawyer Kevin Reddington previously said he believed Clancy would have been acquitted if not for the stubbornness of a single juror well yeah we all know that babe jurors know they were robbed by one man for whatever his agenda was who stole seven weeks of the life of these other jurors that were so attentive so beautiful so wonderful he said. Okay seven weeks isn't that long I've spent seven weeks doing less important things you get to be part of a really you know important trial historically. Clancy could have been sentenced to life in prison if convicted of murder if acquitted the judge could have ordered her confined to a mental health facility until a mental health evaluation determined she would no longer be a danger to the public if released clancy could face another trial. For person says evidence showed clancy love to children over 21 days of testimony jurors heard how clancy's mental health collapsed after the birth of her youngest child they heard from clancy's family members who described her decline and medical providers who treated her. In the months ahead of the killings the evidence proved clancy love to children said Carlson who pointed to clancy's journals and testimony from her former mother-in-law who called clancy a nurturing and loving mother and let me tell you.

2:13:38That to me is the strongest evidence presented in this case if your mother-in-law comes after you murder your three children comes to testify on your behalf not guilty so she so she had to have snapped and not known what was not not know what she was doing Carlson told NBC 10 to me it was proof that she didn't know what she was doing. Jura Kelly Farina said prosecutors lacked compassion and found them to be cold well I mean that's every prosecutor in the history of prosecutors I know it's their job but in a case like this you expect a little bit she said I mean you know strategically it might have been smart of them to show some compassion when they're being tried in front of a jury of you know nine women so yeah strategically maybe that was dumb jurors also heard the 911 call clancy's then hugs and then he's been made when he found their children strangled for you know described it as the most horrific thing the jury played it again in the deliberation room and jurors cried she said we were just like my God the desperation the despair his voice was it's something that will stick with me for you said and I think that's also interesting that that is obviously we haven't heard that tape as the public but that that is the jurors you know commentary on that 911 call.

2:15:04Because I think a lot of times when you know the husband did it the the 911 call either one I think a lot of times sounds melodramatic because you know the men didn't take an acting class before they killed their wives which I would recommend if you're planning planning it take a little status law skier something and then number two. Sometimes the call can you know can you know seem like rather stoic or maybe they provide details that maybe they shouldn't know or something like that and so to me again you know Corinne Fisher is not I'm on I'm I don't want to say I'm on Patrick clancy side but I do not I still nothing has convinced me that Patrick clancy is the actual murderer here which again so many people online believe this especially so many women you know and we can have a larger conversation about maybe he wasn't husband husband husbanding at 100% but who is yeah you know again that that doesn't I still do have a lot of empathy for both of them.

2:16:19And it's like I don't know like on this day he's going out running errands by himself due to flee like he's I don't know this doesn't speak to me and again like as far as the moving on quickly I actually didn't think the timeline was that obscene for when he moved you know moved on with to this new wife you know a lot of people are like saying like okay she looks just like Lindsey clancy yeah have you ever met a fucking straight man they date the same type of woman many times so that's not a problem. You can you're allowed to have a type that's not a crime and you know and then also. Yeah yeah I just don't believe there's nothing that points to like he he did this to start his new life. You know the only thing that I could believe is that yeah maybe he didn't give Lindsey the support that she needed but I but also have empathy for him in that if the medical industry itself doesn't understand.

2:17:19Or doesn't really promote the seriousness of postpartum psychosis and if her own medical professionals were unable to give her the help she needs you know I think it is possible that Patrick clancy didn't understand how severe what his wife was going through really was and I think you know as someone who's not. Had a child or experience postpartum depression or psychosis I don't I can't I can't speak to this firsthand but I would imagine because of the pressure that is put on mothers to be absolutely fucking perfect I would think that if you are suffering from postpartum psychosis or postpartum depression even if you're feeling. Even if you're asking for help I think you're probably still hiding a bit of it because you feel shame around it because maybe you're feeling. Feelings that you don't think you should be feeling towards your children or towards this role that you have as a mother and I think that is really challenging and I think that the society that we live in certainly does not make that easier.

2:18:20And so then that would also just not make it clear to Patrick what she was going through again I don't be totally on his side i'm sure he you know i'm sure he could have been a better husband but you know we can all be better partners. I don't think that he deserves that you know that either of them now should be like oh your kids are dead okay. All right, and I know you're like oh you know he wasn't in court or whatever it's like yeah maybe he doesn't want to men men are avoiding a lot right again have you ever met a straight man they really they really like to push emotional things aside and then just try to try to heal by just moving on. Does that mean he doesn't care no is it the way that I would go about this if this happened to me also know right. But just because it's not the way that you would grieve or the way that you would try to heal yourself does not mean he's a murderer. And again I can't believe you got the internet is forcing me and not the listeners here but the internet at large is forcing me to defend a man in this way.

2:19:22it's not not what I chose to do but I but I am I don't I don't like what i'm seeing truly no one expected this only woke up this morning thank you well i've been doing it the whole time i've been consistent I. I did my first you know kind of wash of the information nothing yet had that's been presented and even this article actually makes me more on Patrick Lansy side getting you know you learning you know hearing the jurors perspective of hearing his 911 phone call. Just I just really fucking hate fake sleuthing. And again I think that's my bias from probably something from the Johnny Dup Amber heard case that's my that's my problem okay and so this brings us to then the internet has absolutely gone crazy. You know obviously one woman kills her kids doesn't matter how many men killed her entire families we now have to find. You know and we're going to highlight any other woman for the entirety of the rest of time you know this is straight men's trans issue basically the way the republicans feel about trans issues how anytime a trans person anywhere.

2:20:29In the in the in the United States or the world does something bad we're going to make sure you know about it that's now how women killing their children or doing really anything bad to their kids is going to be for straight men okay so this is from ct insider. And this is says before Lindsey Clancy another nurse killed her three children so this is the one that happened before and then we're going to go to Corey Walsh which is the one that happened after so. Yeah before Lindsey Clancy another nurse killed her three children that jury reached a different verdict. In a case strikingly similar to that of Lindsey Clancy dear germore Lee a 44 year old nurse from county Dublin Ireland killed her three children and then attempted suicide while suffering from a mental health disorder on January 24 2020 three years to the day before Clancy. Killed her three children and then attempted suicide and also I mean for anyone who knows anything about January biggest biggest month for suicide so you know doesn't doesn't doesn't surprise me that it's the biggest you know that it's also a big month for homicide suicide right.

2:21:39Both women were nurses both suffered from mental illness in the time leading up to the killing us and both have filed lawsuits in an attempt to make sure their health care providers are held accountable you know which also we want to. Hopefully prevent other women from going through similar things but they're also getting but there are also some glaring differences in the cases the jury in the morally case deliberated for about four and a half hours before finding her not guilty by reason of insanity following a three day trial in 2021. The Irish time said her defense team and prosecutors both put witnesses on the stand testifying that morally was suffering from a severe psychotic depressive illness according to the BBC. Clancy Clancy seven week trial ended in a mistrial Friday after the jury dead locked following 38 hours of deliberation on whether she was guilty. You know of murder or mentally ill and not responsible the prosecution maintained throughout the case that she is criminally responsible for the crimes which one assistant district attorney said in closing arguments were caused because Clancy was finished playing the game.

2:22:48Interesting sentence Clancy a Connecticut Connecticut native strangling her three children and then attempting suicide by swallowing medication before cutting her wrists and neck and jumping from a second story window in her ducks very Massachusetts home on January 24th 2023. According to testimony and her trial and court papers she had been seeking help for postpartum depression and other mental issues for months before the deaths her attorney Kevin Reddington said and here's where we get witnesses including her now former husband Patrick Clancy and a psychiatrist she saw after the killings testified that she told them she heard a voice. She was telling her to kill the children so she could kill herself as she was strangling each child. Okay but like where's the Thailand she I'm guessing I'm guessing this means she told them after it happened right she heard a voice telling her to kill the children so she could kill herself as she was strangling each child.

2:23:55Okay, so this to me seems like that because I was like well if she said this specifically a Patrick before maybe he didn't do enough well friends family and the pediatrician the children saw and their nanny all called Clancy 11 and wonderful mother whether they testified for the prosecution or the defense. But assistant assistant district attorney is shan shan and Buckingham and Jennifer spring here their witnesses and their evidence toward proving that Clancy knew what she was doing when she committed the killings. Even though they put several of her mental health providers on the stand who testified that she was struggling with depression and other mental health issues. The providers who testified are facing two wrongful death lawsuits filed by Lindsay and Patrick Clancy in the months before the trial. Um and now and now she's waiting to see if she will be tried a second time in contrast according to publish reports prosecutors in the morally case were on board with a finding of not guilty by reason of insanity in the deaths of her children Connor nine Dara seven and Kara McGinley three who were found smothered at their house in Newcastle County Dublin.

2:25:06After midnight yes Mike. Same three initials. Okay, well, I mean I just say. That I mean I don't know do you mean you are you into numerology to want to look up the zodiac signs of the morning. I'm not into Germante or whatever no like that's not I'm just saying that's like you get down to the nitty gritty of it and it's like all right like how many different things can be the same before it's like okay are am I having a mental breakdown in real time what's going on. I don't think you are but we'll see after midday that day Morley said she just had an air suffering looked at the clock and remembered thinking I could smother him now I could kill him now the Irish time said quoting what morally told police. She got some brown thick tape from the utility room and took plastic bags from under the sink she put some tape over Dara's mouth a bag over his head and a cushion on top of the bag inside the play tent. She said she didn't want to do it but had to do it he asked her what are you doing.

2:26:09Mommy and struggled under her for a few minutes before passing out after he was dead the accused carried his body to the master bedroom upstairs and put him on the bed the Irish time said. After killing Dara Morley said she felt she couldn't leave any of them behind and put a plastic bag over Carlos head and use a cushion to smother her. The Irish times article said quoting from police reports after bringing her body upstairs she realized her daughter was still breathing and held her nose until this was no longer the case. Morley then picked up her oldest son from school took him to buy a role for lunch and then brought him home so that they could watch Jurassic World the Irish time said. This is so chilly I'm just watching Jurassic World where your kids are dead upstairs. She suggested playing a game where they first put tape over their mouth to see if he could talk through it and she then put a plastic bag over his head the paper said the boy told her stop. Mommy but she said she did not feel that she could stop herself from suffocating him and pulled the bag tighter by twisting it she told her son i'm sorry Connor she left him inside the play tent and was unable to carry him upstairs to his siblings bodies.

2:27:22The presiding Irish justice Paul coffee said there was no contest about the verdict the BBC said the court had heard Morley had a severe psychotic depress. You missed you missed a line about her. Right above that more. Marley was acquitted of all three counts of murder. And let's see coffee described it as a sad and tragic case. He said that the jury had to be convinced that Morley didn't know that what she was doing was wrong and that she was unable to stop according to the BBC. The court heard from expert witnesses called on behalf of the prosecution and defense who were unanimous in their view that miss Morley was legally insane when she killed her children. According to the BBC the judge said that there was no dispute between the sides and so nothing. To set against the doctors opinion that insanity. Applied to all three counts he added that the prosecution and defense agreed that Morley should be found not guilty.

2:28:23The trial had heard evidence that Morley believed she seriously had damaged her children because of her mental health problems and issues she first raised with psychiatrists in late 2018. She expressed the same thoughts over the next year as her depressive illness became more serious. The BBC said and that she had massed her condition from others including her husband and Drew McGinley, which again this masking right like you. You know it just think of you know I think there's a lot of notes we can take from people who commit suicide and we don't like people are so surprised many times many people are like oh my god this was like the happiest person they know like a lot of times people under. Mental duress are are are able to mask they're able to exist one way and inside feel a completely different way. You almost like have to in some cases like be a bit performative on the outside if you're feeling so low on the inside. Morley has filed a lawsuit seeking to require the medical examiner who determined her children's cause of death to do an inquiry.

2:29:29On the mental health practitioners who provided her treatment according to the hard shoulder podcast. McGinley appeared on the podcast in November 2025. Saying he supported more of these lawsuit but couldn't participate because it was too expensive. Okay, there are times when he wants to liquidate everything and move to the Caribbean to work in a beach bar McGinley said I don't think I can live with myself if I didn't try and make changes that could help protect children in the future he said for sure. Um alright so that is that article of one that predated the Lindsey Clancy trial. And now let's go to something that post dates it and that is Corey Walsh which you know the internet really running with this one.

2:30:31Oh no I didn't want to do that. Okay. So this is from the New York Post I had to you know my expiable we had to give it a little bit of a nod. Obviously they're really going hard with this. Lindsey Clancy story loving it you know the crazy lips are at it again protecting a child murderer or whatever it is. Okay so Lindsey Clancy obsessed mom Corey Walsh who allegedly hanged son has grief psychotic disorder but in says she's not a copycat this is by Priscilla de Gregory and Daniel Cody for the New York post and Illinois mom accused of hanging her two year old son was diagnosed with a grief psychotic disorder. After the alleged murder but her lawyers insist she's not a Lindsey Clancy copycat Corey Walsh 40 appeared in court on Tuesday and was ordered to taint despite her defense teams plea to send her to a psychiatric hospital for treatment claiming she was in the throws of a psychotic episode at the time of the slaying.

2:31:37Walsh's case has generated headlines after prosecutors revealed she had been discussing the Clancy case with friends shortly before she allegedly killed her son bear it. But her lawyers on Tuesday tried to dismiss any connection to Clancy whose high profile triple murder case stunningly ended in a mist trial on Friday just driving Corey to a copy describing Corey to a copied Lindsey is to take an easy bait attorney Robert Carr said in court. Carr said mentions of Walsh being a Lindsey Clancy copycat are sickening in the hours leading up to the hanging Walsh discussed the Clancy trial with her friends in a group chat. I mean which again isn't crazy like a lot of people are talking about it especially moms. Walsh's pals described her messages as confusing and out of character and she said she bizarrely believed that Clancy's husband killed their children.

2:32:38Again, I don't believe this is so I mean I believe in the text message so I don't believe that Patrick Clancy did it that being said it is not unique of Corey Walsh to think this literally just go online many many people especially many women think this. It was manslaughter please i'm really freaking out Walsh wrote to friends during jury deliberations on September 1st Barrett was found dead a few hours later. Hmm. Uh, Carr told the court that Walsh was severely mentally ill and she was diagnosed with grief psychotic disorder at the hospital following the alleged killing the disorder is defined as the condition where bereavement may lead to hetero. Genius psychological responses including pro long grief disorder depression and psychotic like experiences according to the National Library of Medicine. This is a tragedy for the Walsh family all of whom are mourning the loss of this child another one of Walsh's lawyers Andrew Lyon said in a statement after Tuesday's hearing.

2:33:44It is also a tragedy in that Corey herself was experiencing a psychotic episode at the time this happened. It is our hope that through a thorough presentation and investigation of the facts that all of us will come to see this heartbreak for what it is. The state argued that Walsh can conceive treatment can receive treatment while detained prosecutors claimed during the hearing that two children returned to the Walsh home while the incident was underway and ran to a neighbor's house to get help. The neighbor pulled barrett down from the rafter where he was hanging and began performing CPR but he was unable to or but it doesn't say he but was unable to revive the boy. Walsh was found in the bathroom fully clothed in a bathtub of bloody water with wounds to her wrists and thighs prosecutors said according to the outlet. Walsh allegedly later said she wanted to poison her husband prosecutors claim NBC five reported the neighbor said that Walsh had dilated eyes and a weird giggle and that she was unlike herself and eight month old infant was at the home at the time and he was left on the ground unsupervised while Walsh allegedly carried out the sick murder.

2:35:01Walsh allegedly told police she hanged her son because he was the devil and the anti Christ so again you know it is they're not diagnosing her or saying she had postpartum psychosis which does make this different but a lot of the similarities are like hearing these you know these voices and having them having these like religious. This religious messaging right I got to get rid of this you know it's it's either like the world is evil and I have to protect my kids from it by killing them and having them go wherever. Or you know my kid is evil they are the devil I am the devil like someone's always the devil basically is working what what we're getting into. And then of course you know what what would be a story about a woman if we didn't hear commentary from Joe Rogan and Fox News said you know we're going to write an entire article article about this. So and again I don't even want to put the full burden of this on Joe Rogan because I mean I could make I really should be making a list in my phone.

2:36:09Of you know male comedians who all felt they needed to post their hot take on Lindsey Clancy and of course a joke about it they just all I've never seen. You know if male comedians wrote wrote jokes about literally any other women's issue that the way that they have taken it upon their backs to cover this Lindsey Clancy case we might actually have some forward movement. In this country Rogan shreds supporters of Lindsey Clancy says they wouldn't rally if a father were on trial for the same crime. No Joe Rogan we wouldn't because it is much rarer that men are suffering and certainly not to this degree suffering from postpartum psychosis or depression mainly because they don't have the same hormones because they didn't give birth to the child. The podcaster questioned the double standard asking listeners to imagine if a single father had killed his kids. Just okay um let's just get to what his little quotes were.

2:37:13Uh one of the most salient aspects of the trial is how many women have rallied on social media and formed groups to gather and share support for Clancy stunned me too guys. Uh or suggest conspiracy theories about her case Rogan responded this lady killed her kids and everyone's like oh my god she needed help. Imagine if a single father killed his kids do you think there'd be any doubts dads out there we get it we understand. Uh I also I also get sad. God this is such like a. Just sometimes you say things that make you seem real stupid um he also blasts to Clancy's supporters saying if those ladies could see the crime scene and see those dead kids with their fucking vacant eyes staring up because their mother took their life. The last fucking thing that they saw was their mother standing over them choking them to death. I don't think they would feel so bad. It's not about feeling bad Joe. It's about understanding uh how women are are encouraged to have children in this country and given

2:38:16absolutely no fucking support uh before during or after the pregnancy. That's the issue Joe. I gotta tell you like I am not I'm not like a big anti Joe Rogan person you know he's personally done a lot of great stuff for my career but I can't let that be a free pass for him because like I was listening like uh you know when I was in uh Scotland did it did a lot of driving. My boyfriend had to do a lot of difficult driving so um because of that I let him listen to whatever he wanted to and at one point there was a couple hours where uh what is it uh protect our parks was on and like I always like Ari I'm always good to listen to Ari but like just oh my god Joe I was like actively getting more stupid from things that Joe Rogan was was saying and I and it was just like about like it was just a conversations about nothing and like no like no hot I wouldn't even have been happy if someone presented a hot take even if it was hateful

2:39:16like people were just regurgitating like like and I hate to say this but like boomer boomer right takes I mean even Mark Norman was like saying you know like was like kind of like yeah this doesn't really I don't really I feel like I don't know I feel like maybe getting married maybe leveled him out a little bit or something but uh even he was like yeah I don't know that this is true for like I don't even know what they were talking about it wasn't Lindsey Clancy um because we weren't like at that time period or we weren't uh as deep into that at that point but he also blasted cl- uh but he's the only one of the three with small children you know what I mean like he's the only one who is a rational Mark Norman has a kid what are you talking about that's what I said Mark is the only one small children because I was like Rogan has kids I don't know how I actually I don't know how old Rogan's kids are I don't I don't how old are they I have no idea how old he's a thousand years old there's no way his kids aren't fully grown yeah you know what I mean like what Mark just is he has like you know at least one of his kids is gonna line up with uh with with

2:40:21the ages for the Clancy case I think it's just well they weren't just guessing that on this they weren't no but they weren't discussing that on this episode as my point though they were discussing some other things it was just kind of in general like it was it was like you know Ari oh well is you know Ari's a little he's in a query as he always has an interesting take I think but I love and and because Ari is all you know does kind of have you know even if Ari is saying something that I disagree with or if I think is wrong um what I like about him is he's open really open to hearing other people's opinions and thoughts and like talking it out in a in an intelligent way and that's why I you know enjoy him and his comedy and like having conversations with him privately I'm also closest with him out of those three um but you know he used to be my neighbor for many years um but uh you know but even Mark was like what I was gonna say Shane talked about universal health care being like a good idea and I was like okay well I like that you know Shane has some some views but overall just like these conversations that they were having on this show I was just like what is

2:41:25this just it wasn't even interesting I was just like what is this anyway that's just I'm just I it's just like because I really like I don't like he gave me choices like choices of the ones I want to and I was like okay I'm open to listening to protect our parks because like I'm friends with some of the you know I'm friends with some of these people I at least know everyone I've met everyone personally like I was interested and I was like really like this is what you guys are listening to it was alarming um like Legion of Skanks at least it's like entertaining you know okay so he also blasted Clancy supporters blah blah blah this all this Rogan lamented uh the state of modern politics and the world in general saying this controversy and the social media phenomenon around it is yet another news story that is absurd beyond belief people are out of their fucking minds right now she was out of her fucking mind okay so you're saying that she was out of your fucking mind but do you mean it colloquially or medically the world is out of its fucking mind uh it's like more of these

2:42:25things come up where you're like this camp you reel this camp you reel and it is real he said I mean what a quote uh more of these things were like people are showing up in support of a woman I also love it because I say like a lot and women are butchered when they say a lot uh like but your king Joe Rogan says like all the time too no one cares most of these things were like people are showing up in support of a woman who killed her children I don't care how rough it was the ability to kill your children is crazy Rogan contrasted the sentiment from clancy supporters to the common understanding that parents would do anything to protect their children from harm later on in the podcast Rogan argued there is a growing radicalization of people particularly among childless liberal women that cannot be ignored yeah come come for us I don't want to generalize it but it seems like it's Republicans too but it's a lot of liberal women Rogan said liberal women with no children who want to turn the world into their children they want to like school the world like they're doing the wrong thing and they're worried about the environment number one we should all

2:43:29be worried about the environment um number two I agree with your sentiment on scolding I think that is a huge missus that the left continues to make and it will be the continuous undoing of us but the notion that you know we talked about this I think last week too but the notion that liberal women with don't with no children don't care about children is so wrong liberal women with no children don't care about men my guy they care about children they're not reproducing because they hate men not because they hate children it's very simple I don't see why this is going over people's heads that's not like not my personal reason for not having kids but I think that's a reason when you look online a lot of people aren't procreating with men because we don't like how you're treating us um this and yeah I don't think I've ever met a liberal woman who was like I don't want kids because I hate kids I've heard I mean the closest thing I would I've heard said is maybe like

2:44:31I think kids will take up will you know kill my vibe basically that's the closest I've heard but killing your vibe does not mean you don't like children it probably means you love hanging out with kids you just don't want one that's under your care for 18 years and they're worried about the future and they're worried about voting and they're worried about rights and they're worried about immigrants okay yeah I am worried about all those things I mean just like this they're worried about the future and they're worried about voting and they're worried about rights to say that as a negative is so I almost want this on a t-shirt this is so fucking crazy they're worried about this and they're worried about that this like this is like the cat in the hat um they're taking care of the world like it's the child that they don't have yeah and I think that's really cool and again if you were to educate yourself even a little bit on women's issues Joe Rogan and you read a book like all the single ladies you would see that single women when we had the when the birth

2:45:33control pill was introduced and we had more control over when when and if we procreated it made us have enormous and swift political influence my guy and we should have the ability to take care to care about voting in the future because you you men have the time to have come you you're sitting right here you have kids but you have time to talk about what women do and do not have the time to do like what like the irony here is really actually pretty thick like I don't think Joe Rogan is a genius by any stretch of the imagination and I always thought that it was weird that people thought he was so smart but you're not fucking stupid and this article is making you seem stupid and this is a New York post so they were probably oh I'm sorry this is Fox so they were probably trying to make you look good and if this is the best quotes that they get if this is the if this is are the if these are the quotes that Fox pulled imagine what other outlets pulled if this is the

2:46:37best they could get from that conversation and then just so you know I to to close out this you melt down that men are having on social media you know it is there you know a lot of people a lot of you know feminists you know liberal childless women that I follow you know have been talking about I think feminists feminists are fabulous I always forget a first name but feminists are fabulous on Instagram who does you know a lot of work specifically advocating for men and wanting them to be better that's like literally her line of work I believe that she reported that since the Lindsey Clancy case started I think it was seven men killed their entire families I couldn't I don't know I have to go back and see where she got that stack because I couldn't find that stat but I do actually trust that she somehow um fact check that uh and then so I went to

2:47:38the plane record.com they did an article called when a mother kills and I just wanted to pull some numbers from this not the article itself it says uh there is no reliable up to the minute national count of parents who killed a spouse a child or an entire family during 2025 and 2026 so federal homicide figures arrive slowly and female aside is not a single neatly tracked category. Filicide may involve one child or several family annihilation usually refers to the killing of multiple relatives murder suicide overlaps with both but includes many cases in which only an intimate partner is killed combining all three into one number would create the appearance of precision while muddying the very comparison we are trying to make the clearest recent comparison comes from the violence police uh policy center which reviewed news reports

2:48:38of murder suicides during the first half of 2025 it identified 237 incidents in 2119 of them the person who killed someone and then died by suicide was male 12 were female and six were not identified by sex put another way 92% were men and five percent were women nearly two thirds of the incidents involved an intimate partner in those cases almost every partner killed was a woman 45 of the homicide victims were children or teenagers and let's see kind of breaks it down by more or or I got a good one here um yeah on a seven day stretch from July 24 to July 31 of this year three men participated in a complete family annihilation uh 12 children killed of the total 17 victims in a seven day stretch hmm and then and then this other paragraph that I or the

2:49:43chunk that I think is interesting from this article it says the crime that breaks the story we tell about mothers right and I think this is so interesting and what perhaps this this the story we tell about mothers to me reminds me a lot of like um you know perfect perfect perfect victim mentality you know kind of thing uh which you see a lot in like a sex work in uh or uh sexual assault cases as well uh we carry a sentimental idea of motherhood into stories like these a mother is is supposed to protect instinctively to endure exhaustion and fear to place herself between danger and her children when a mother kills a child the public does not experience it as one more violent crime it feels like a violation of the order of things the question quickly expands from what happened inside one home to how a mother could do such a thing at all studies of crime reporting have found that this expectation follows women into uh the coverage a 2024 analysis of news stories about parents who killed their children found that women were often placed inside a flawed mother narrative their mental health domestic life and performance of motherhood became

2:50:47central to the story men were more easily detached from their role as fathers the study examined australian coverage so it cannot tell us exactly how large the effect is in the united states still the pattern is recognizable and for stories of this nature I do find that the uk australia and the united states have a lot of similarities in these kind of um uh stories so I do feel like it's like still a good way to you know take the temp you know still the pattern is recognizable the woman is examined as a mother the man becomes a gunman husband worker neighbor or the unnamed subject of a murder suicide that framing does not always benefit women a mother may be portrayed as monstrous because she violated motherhood or treated primarily as a patient rather than an offender sometimes both versions appear in the same story a father meanwhile may be explained through debt a lost job separation jealousy or the suggestion that he suddenly snapped those details may be relevant but they can also turn fatherhood into a footnote and make a history of control or abuse disappear behind

2:51:52a search for motive the language of the first headline does a surprising amount of work a family died in a murder suicide sounds neutral but it clouds the sequence of events a person killed family members and then killed himself money problems did not pull the trigger a custody dispute did not kill anyone if there had been threats stalking strangulation coercive control or a recent change in access to guns those facts tell readers more than a neighbor's recollection that the family seemed happy um yeah that goes to what you always say about how like it these frothy emotional appeals do absolutely nothing when you're telling a story yes everyone has loved ones and that like yeah that does in the event you're not doing your job as a journalist to get that quote when you could be getting all of those other questions that they're asking that's really good yeah and I also I read this I so I was watching this um you know true crime thing we're basically like a guy brutally

2:52:52murdered his you know a girlfriend or ex girlfriend in short and was sentenced to you know life in prison and even him as he was being you know lugged away by you know the court uh the court officers you know his mom and dad were all were kissing all over him and you know so it's like no matter who you are exactly like you have people who love you you have people who are going to say good things about you you you you you have people who most likely are going to say that is not in that person's character I don't know why they did that that's not that's not that's not the you that's not the johnny I know or however um all right let's see you and it says the pattern behind the unthinkable unthinkable is one of those of the words most often attached to family annihilation but researchers have been documenting its warning signs for years a national institute of justice review of 408 homicide suicide cases found that 91 percent of the perpetrators were men and 88 percent used a gun in a smaller multi city study discussed in the review seven uh in 10 intimate partner

2:53:55murder suicides had a known history of domestic violence which we talk about all the time on this show a strangement previous abuse threats and access to firearms a beer appeared again and again there's more studies women women do kill children and a woman should not be presumed mentally ill or excuse simply because she is a mother research shows uh research that includes the killing of a single child finds a much smaller gender gap then research focused on family annihilation or murder suicide the circumstances also change with the child's age the presence of abuse or psychosis and whether a partner is also targeted these are different kinds of crimes but one a current or former partner is killed several relatives die or the homicide ends in suicide the gender imbalance is stark um how journalism can stop losing the pattern the answer is not less reporting about mothers it is better and more persistent reporting about family violence committed by men the first day story should tell readers what police know the stories that follow should ask

2:54:59whether there were protection orders threats stalking coercive control previous calls to police or a recent separation they should be wary of words such as snapped and crime of passion which can make a series of decisions sound like a momentary loss of control a few habits would change the coverage considerably use active voice introduce the victims before devoting paragraphs to the killer's biography put the case in the context of reliable local and national data speak with domestic violence specialists as well as neighbors and police then return weekslayer and ask which institutions encountered the family before the killings that's interesting when mental illness is part of the case report the evidence without using diagnosis as a short hand for violence when the perpetrator dies by suicide do not allow that final act to obscure the homicides that came first online audiences have responsibilities to thank you plain record the true crime economy rewards certainty intimate

2:56:00speculation and amateur diagnosis cases involving mothers are especially vulnerable because every family photograph can be recast as proof that she was either loving or deceptive the children become supporting characters in a trial of the mother's identity separating fact from rumor leaving medical gossip alone and refusing to harass surviving relatives may feel less satisfying than choosing a side it is also more humane and usually more accurate this goes on and on there's a lot of good things kind of in here about the responsibility of journalists and online readers but I just want to close up the show because we've already got a long time um you know uh oh god we have to close up with this you know huge thing so i'm going to just do two more things sorry we're not going to get to Mitch McConnell's wife but maybe we can get to it um next week um so we're gonna end with the AI exec resigning because he's saying that you know AI is gonna kill us all but really quickly I did want to briefly discuss glorious dynam just because I was not surprised but I was disgusted by

2:57:06uh the reaction to her death um you know especially kind of looping back into people's reaction to 9-11 at the top the you know the young people on the far left to when I say young I mean like you know I don't know 30 and under not that much younger than me um but like uh and even 35 like I I don't feel like I share many political views um with like even gen with even Gen Z but I guess it's the separation between millennials and Gen Z is what I'm talking about um but certainly many millennials I know who are on the far left also share these viewpoints about 9-11 that we discuss at the top and then about glorious dynam right so basically anyone who posted about glorious dynam was getting tons of crazy comments I mean if you want to just like see what I'm talking about a good example is on her main grid rose but Baker posted something um uh some some you know like a little carousel of quotes from glorious dynam read her comments okay read what people are saying the the

2:58:10crazy things people are saying about glorious dynam and not that it is not you know some of it is not true but to make the case that the unethical things glorious dynam did somehow un like outweighed or completely like overshadowed all the wonderful work she did for feminism I think is actually so fucking crazy and it made me so angry so I am using snopes for this I know we don't love snopes but I reviewed this article I do actually think they did a decent job here this is by Ray Deng for snopes and it's a did glorious dynam work with the CIA because I want to be honest about this like she did have a relationship with the CIA which she also admitted to right so the Washington Post reported in 1967 that's sign them called the CIA agents she worked with liberal and far-sighted and open to an exchange of ideas which you know not a great quote um so it is they're marking it as true she

2:59:10did work with the CIA right so the context is glorious dynam let a CIA backed organization funded that reportedly recruited young Americans to disrupt Soviet Union supported festivals and share share alternatives to communist ideas I want I want to also make clear about this timeline here is this is something she did right out of college shows she's like 21 years old at this time she did work for this organization for a period of time though um but this was also before she became glorious sign them feminist icon that we know today um she maintained through her life that her involvement with the CIA was an innocent arrangement and claimed in a 1967 New York Times article that the CIA never asked her to report on other Americans or foreign nationals um the way I kind of look at it is just like she wanted to do this thing out of college it was being funded by the CIA CIA she didn't have the money to do it she wanted to do it she did something that was funded by the CIA also different you know I don't know again I'm not I'm not trying to say like she didn't do this

3:00:12or that this wasn't true or that this wasn't like this isn't a uh like you know this wasn't uh this is something that we shouldn't pay attention to at all or that we should just you know give her a pass for but if you're gonna be in the public eye for um I don't know uh 70 years the way glorious sign them was and do the large scale work that Gloria sign them did I would love to find someone who doesn't have um some dirty spots on their resume I really really would um especially when it's at the beginning beginning of your career when you're like I don't really know what the fuck is going on again I don't want to like say like she oh she didn't know what she was doing she's a smart woman obviously she did but um after American journalist and feminist activist Gloria sentiment dot sign them died at age 92 on September 3rd a rumor spread online that she once worked with the CIA this is not the first time this rumor has spread and it's not a rumor because it's like you know in part true uh social media users on x tiktok and reddit claimed she was a CIA asset cop or operative or that she led an organization that was actually a front for CIA operations and that's

3:01:18where the problem comes in I mean it basically people were kind of like really taking this leap that uh Gloria sign them was working with the CIA to create feminism to distract the American people and that's a jump uh sign them repeatedly and publicly acknowledged working with the CIA in the late 1950s and early 1960s she ran the independent research service as CIA backed organization that recruited young Americans as we talked about at the top um as such we have rated this claim as true whether she she actively spied for the CIA is unclear in 1967 news articles sign of insisted she was never asked to pass information to the CIA in early 1967 and now defunct ramparts magazine revealed that the CIA spent $180,000 financing an interesting operation known as the independent research service this was the organization that made life so miserable for the organizers of the communist-sleaning world youth festivals in Vienna in 1959 and in Helsinki in 1962

3:02:22the article said on page 32 the independent research service actively recruited a delegation of hundreds of young Americans to attend the festivals in order to actively oppose the communists according to a 2016 year times article about sign them after the ramparts issue ran sign them publicly acknowledged to the times and the Washington Post that the CIA was a major financial backer of the independent research service while the times said the independent research service simply received financial support the post said sign them worked closely with the central intelligence agency and had great praise for the CIA agents whom she collaborated with and I think that can be true you can work for an organization that largely has done some super destructive things but still like and have a good relationship with the specific individual agents you worked with like that's not crazy I found them liberal and far-sighted and open to exchange of ideas sign them said according to the post I never felt I was being dictated to at all

3:03:26sign them told both newspapers that very few people involved in the independent research service knew of the CIA's involvement the post article also quoted another director of the independent research service Dennis Schaule who said the the Helsinki festival was a disaster from there the communist world's point of view and I think we can take a good deal of credit for that in March 1967 sign them appeared on a CBS documentary in the pay of the CIA and American dilemma to tell her story about her time taking quote secret CIA funds per a CBS news release archived in the CIA's public records a clip of her interview in that documentary appears to be available on YouTube in the clip she acknowledges working with the CIA and again says the CIA did not interfere with her point of view I had the conventional liberals view of the CIA as a right wing incendiary group and I was amazed to discover that this was far from the case that they were enlightened liberal

3:04:28nonpartisan activists she said you know and the clip is available here if you want to watch it on YouTube again like these quotes are not gonna not aging well not great we read I just don't think they undo everything that they she that she did and then should be her legacy we reached out to especially because these were things that were addressed by her during her lifetime we reached out to CBS to ask for an official copy of the documentary and a way to response in 1975 red stockings a radical feminist group attacked Steinems involvement with the CIA and called Steinems insistence that she was never asked to gather information for the CIA a quote serious lie the report on the Vienna youth festival published with her name on it as director of the independent research service contains 13 pages devoted solely to biographies political affiliations and even pseudo political analyses of individuals from all the countries participating in the festival red stockings wrote red stockings also said it questioned Steinems motives for entering the women's movement and was

3:05:31suspicious of her sudden rise to prominence as a women's liberation leader at a time when unlike other prominent women's liberationist she was active in no women's group she had not written a feminist book one a congressional seat or played a superb game of tennis um okay I mean you know we love historically to questions people's feminism but like she her feminism kind of started from an article that she that she wrote it's not like she said at one day and was like I'm going to be a feminist right the New York Times reported in 2016 that Steinems said the criticism from other feminists hurt more than anything girl I hear you I've been there they never called to ask me what I did she said in the same 2016 article sign of maintain that her relationship with the CIA was in in innocent it's so interesting now because the initial CIA will make people believe anything she said it just wasn't like that it was just uh it just was so uncontrolled as I

3:06:32remember saying at the time if this was our grandmother's money we'd be doing the same thing and so I think it's like yes not this is not great it was at the start of her career I don't think it clouds the other amazing work that she did and I think if you really want to look into it deeper I think most of this from the research I've done and I've done more than this I just thought this our article you know summarized it most succinctly you really want to you really want to look into the red stockings radical feminist group because that's I think where a lot of this comes from and I think that's where the interesting stuff is all right last article um we are going to talk about um the AI guy resigning um AI guy he's AI executive um I think I'm going to take it from this newsweek article so this newsweek article says who is Jacob Coxon and Thropic researcher quits warned AI could kill everyone and this was published today September 9th and it's uh this is by

3:07:39Amanda Greenwood and Hannah Perry AI researcher Jacob Coxon has resigned from the AI company and Thropic warning that the race to develop increasingly powerful AI systems could pose an existential threat to humanity in a series of posts published on acts late Tuesday night Coxon who said he spent the past three years working on AI pre-training research at both anthropic and open AI accused leading AI firms of racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives Coxon argued that future superhuman AI systems could become capable of hacking anything and acquiring real power and resources he claimed that concerns about the technology's potential dangers are shared privately by many AI executives and researchers and again you'll see that um if you read stolen focus the same kind of internal moral issues in the development of social media writing the people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by

3:08:42the end of the decade and his warning was publicly supported by Evan uh hubinger an alignment science lead at anthropic who said that Coxon was correct that some researchers genuinely believe advanced AI could pose an existential risk and you know this is also why I think like like I don't know you don't want to create like you don't want to create hysteria on the left because you don't want the hysteria on the left and just people just saying AI is bad without enough information to back it up um then kind of muddies when someone like this who is a literal expert in the area is saying hey I am directly involved in this I was working in this and I am telling you the dangers these are the people that I would really really listen to because they have an understanding um hubinger said he personally believes there is a greater than 10% chance that AI could cause human

3:09:42extinction within the next decade and it's like a lot of times with these like uh crazy is when we talk about like a environmental issues and stuff you know it's like no on the next 100 years and everyone's like okay well I'm gonna be dead decade is short baby okay I remember vividly my last decade a decade a decade is gonna come in the in the blink of an eye so we all need to listen up while stressing that current AI models present a relatively low risk right and so that's what's interesting it's like we're causing a hysteria about the AI models we have now but like they're really it's like you know environmental resture but this is not the problem the problem is what we have been seen yet and so now as per Bernie we need to get together and instead of just being like hysterical like no AI don't and commenting on people's posters online what we fucking need to do as as a society is make sure that proper legislation is passed and people and like there's like

3:10:43barriers and there's rules and there's laws to contain this monster stopping the monster from existing is a move point if that's what you're concentrating on you are you should have you should have been to have this conversation 10 years ago because you are latest fucking hell so Jacob Cox and says I uh let's see so most of the quote we already we already read uh but they just have the actual like um X uh picture of his X uh conversation instead of Hugh Binger said his concerns center on the future emergence of super intelligence systems capable of recursive self improvement the idea that an AI system could improve its own intelligence a scenario which Janthropic has previously highlighted in its own discussions around AI safety and risk coxins warning comes amid a broader series of concerns from current and former researchers at frontier AI companies just one day after Coxins resignation posts former open AI researcher

3:11:47Daniel uh cocoa uh cocoa to togello offered a similarly stark warning during appearance on Joe Rogan this guy Joe Rogan's podcast cocoa togello who previously worked at open AI and has researched AI forecasting and safety said he was concerned that the competition between countries such as the US and China could encourage companies and governments to cut corners on safety as they race to develop increasingly powerful systems this is going to be like the challenger explosion but with fucking AI cocoa togello said that the danger was not necessarily that AI would become malicious instead he argued that sufficiently capable systems could eventually acquire enough hard power that they would no longer need to comply with human instructions uh eventually the AI is just have enough hard power that they don't need to pretend to do what the humans want anymore cocoa togello told Rogan and then maybe they kill everyone he also raised a scenario in which an

3:12:52AI system could transform the planet for its own purpose without deliberately trying to harm humanity for example using human habitat and resources for computing infrastructure um wow okay um maybe they don't deliberately kill anyone uh cocoa togello said but they just like use our habitat for some other type of infrastructure like more data centers or whatever cocoa togello stressed that he was not predicting human extinction as a certainty his concerns he said uh he said is the direction of AI development we're integrating them into everything um we're making them smarter we're letting them make themselves smarter uh he said we're going to put them into the military we're basically on a track to put them in charge of basically everything and I think that they just aren't trustworthy the comments highlight a central concern running through the warnings

3:13:53from coxin and other AI researchers the risk may not come from an AI system having human like hatred or malicious intentions but from increasingly autonomous systems pursuing objectives that are incompatible with human interests AI researcher Jacob coxin has resigned from the AI company anthropic makers of chat chbt rival quad with a notoriously high focus on safety and alignment warning that the race to develop uh increasingly powerful AI systems could pose an existential threat to humanity what is this just like uh why is this saying this again hmm this is like repeating the article so i make sure i fully finished the article okay i basically think that's everything um oh it goes on to talk about like who he is i think that gets us into what we need to know they also like you know it says that anthropic

3:14:54leaders have repeatedly warned about a i risks and that his departure is causing tension we'll know shit hmm let's see all right i'm just gonna say alternatively uh this is a guy who got a big check for sure working for uh open a i this is also a guy who got a big check when he got post-byanthropic he's definitely you know like that's vested he's got uh uh you got his money and then he got out on his morals you know yeah easy to say easy to say when you've made three years of income sure i'm also there there's also the the counter like argument to that where it's like you probably have some stock still in the company so these kind of like you know end of days level you know threats of AI for anthropic and open AI is only going to help drive up the price of that IPO of which he is invested you think yeah for sure that's like i i i i don't

3:15:54know like it's one of two things either like the machines are coming and it's it's it's you know it's a ticking clock until humanity is done or this whole thing is just a viral marketing stun and aponcy schemes yeah it's like you know it's like it's like it's like it's like it's hard to trust these people you know get what on day one of having morals it's kind of how i look at it a lot you're like oh now you're out there like it's like that's like one of Elon's ex-lovers who was used to be this far right commentator all of a sudden is doing this whole thing where she's now like you know telling all his secrets and it's like well baby you were part of this for a really long time you know like i just don't like i think that everyone should be able to um like i like i love a redemption story and i think everyone is you know or not everyone but most many people are deserving of one um but i also like there's so many like there's like this instagram account um that i followed for a couple days and i just honestly couldn't stomach it was like literally someone who like is like i used to be like a white supremacist but now i'm a hardcore liberal and like every day

3:16:59is like a hardcore liberal leftist stance and i it's kind of like but also you could just had never been a white supremacist like fuck you you know like why am i following this account it just piss me off yeah and then it's like you know you find out a year later the whole thing was funded by some NGO or some shady part of the government like uh what lips of tiktok just got outed uh and woke like you know what i mean go on what was lips of what was lips of tiktok out of that i didn't tell him so like i'm pretty sure it was like two weeks ago or something like that there was like a uh multiple things that went out that like made it clear that the doj was like personally reaching out to a lot of these uh uh uh right wing influencers and feeding oh yeah and like you know the left is doing the left is doing no two but yes exactly and that's my point is like so this this dude who's you know this this you know latest influencer on the scene who used to be a hardcore right winger but now he's going liberal as the pendulum starts to swing back left it's like they got to start planning the seeds now for the counterculture that they're

3:18:03going to own in four years when this whole thing flips back you know perhaps i still i still definitely wouldn't be like well this is definitely like a lie i still would take this um as a as a as a valid warning we don't want it to be like nine eleven or covid where we were given a warning and we were like lol let's not pay attention to that um but i but i can see your argument so there's no argument here's the problem or your point if like they're if we shut these companies down the united states economy goes down to right like literally our entire economy at this point if you look at the s and p it's reliant on seven companies that all owe each other money and are all invested in creating your surveillance state well and also just like run well and also it's like yeah that's kind of my point it's like guys a i is here this this like this stop a i is so late i don't know it does feel like kind of fate accomplished that like you know all right if this is

3:19:04real and this actually can reach artificial general intelligence it's a matter of time before we are obsolete sure so maybe we should have thought about that before we as humans created but hindsight's 2020 but like we we're not at that inflection but we have not reached a g i yet we can still say hey let's not push for this and they're all saying like no someone's going to do it so it has to be me because i will be the best machine god right kind of crazy it is crazy i don't disagree with the notion that if someone in america doesn't do it someone else will do it i do agree with that you don't agree with that someone else another country's doing it i think it could just be a Trojan horse like you can also bring it you could bring it to like you could bring it to a like as a matter to like the international court uh and then and then and make some kind of a i treaty that could be something that we could do well people have talked about that like a

3:20:07i proliferation and that's i think with this guy like resigned over the fact that like a treaty i think would be great but yes to to just as a singular country say we're not going to do it trusting that the other countries isn't going to do it especially to countries like china russia uh you have israel that crazy because that would be crazy we would have to we would have to do a treaty and i think that's fine and a treaty not saying like we're going to stop and not use this technology at all a treaty being like we need to be very careful of who is at the helm of this technology yeah i could give him that for sure um i love a treaty i love i love i love i'm a libra i love a treaty i love one of the countries we're getting along all right guys that's our show today thank you so much for hanging out with us uh we went into a lot of interesting topics um uh today really enjoyed the conversation thank you so much mike again make sure to get those tickets Los Angeles gash in the main room at the comedy store october 25th and New York City is slutsgiving

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