267: The Law of One w/ Tigo Bizzel

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3:05What's going on? What's going on? How you living, man? I'm doing good, man. I'm doing good. Thank you for having me on. Oh, dude, it's my pleasure. I'll just quickly address that. I know that with the side games, so a special shout out to Hakim Ezzler and the side games, we were just looking through the website and my wife and I had seen that you were on there. And we were like, man, this guy looks interesting. And I don't want to speak for you, but I guess somehow or another, you kind of saw us on there as yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, saw that. I think it was either you guys followed the page or liked something, something of that nature. And then just recently, I had been thinking like, yeah, I really want to connect with Chris Blitz. So then I saw it like, oh, snap, Ryan Blitz. Yeah, Blitz. Yeah, that's the sad thing to Blitz. So I was like, oh, that's what's up. I was like, you know, I always think everything happens how it's supposed to see what I'm saying. So I was like, okay.

4:05Well, maybe I had that thought we're going to be supposed to connect with his family, we're going to be able to sign. So, you know, after that, you know, I reached out to y'all on the DM. Yeah. That's the history. Well, my wife runs our podcast page, Blitz, I said so. So she had reached out to you. And I didn't even know she was going to do that. And then you reached out to me and it was just the rest of his history. And, you know, I think we had that one phone call that one day and I had the sense that like, there's something here to explore. There's something that that I don't know, man, it's just like follow my gut. Absolutely. And I think we got into a bit of a sticky situation earlier where, you know, we're eating lunch, we're hanging out, you're talking, you're sharing just, you know, such, just such wonderful information. And I realized like, okay, guys, we need to get up there. We need to go there and talk. So yeah, exactly, man, exactly. It reminds me of the old days of our show when Alex would treat me that way. It was kind of a fun, a fun nostalgic feeling, right?

5:08And you're talking to someone and you're having interesting conversation and it's like, hey, we need to put you to work, man, we need to put you on the front of this camera. All seriousness though, all jokes aside, I would like to try to kind of pick up where we were. And in my head, I'm like, my listeners may not be familiar with your background. So let's start from the top. Let's talk about Tigo's journey. Let's talk about, you know, you were kind of telling me earlier how at a young age, you were getting into the stuff. Let's just run it back. Yeah, for sure. So I'd say that from a spiritual standpoint, my journey started, we'd say the age of 24, 25. That's like when I first started like actively pursuing meditation and what have you just in that time frame. So, you know, at this time, I was actually a musician. I had a popular record with Walker Flocka called We Got It. And, you know, it was doing its thing. You're familiar with Walker Flocka.

6:09Of course I am, but I have a, no, that's so weird because, yeah, interesting. I just, you're not the only person I know that's connected to him. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, you know, he's also a conscious guy too, you know, especially at this point, it's like, yeah, yeah, for sure. Interesting. Yeah, man. So, you know, I had that song going on. I had a lot going for me. And then I was also more of a street person at that time. You know, so like, you know, you like to call us the street pharmacist at that time. That's funny. Yeah. And so, that's funny. Yeah. So, on my meantime, and free time, I was on YouTube and I was just searching, you know, this time on YouTube. This is when I realized that YouTube had all this information available now. So, you can go on there and search all the things that you have in your mind. So, I was searching and at that time, Zeitkeist was real popular. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah, yeah. It's great to have you. It was just showing me like how, you know, the story of Christ, as we know, you know, about his birthday being then, you know, passing for three days, et cetera, et cetera,

7:13in resurrection, all of this, how this had been tailored to other traditions, you know, and that how it was really more representative of our son's cycle, you know, and was just explaining how it was larger than just this Christ story and wasn't meant to be taken literally, essentially. So, anyway, I was just doing a deep, die, deep, die, then eventually I came across David Wilcox. Interesting. And when I came across David Wilcox, I never forget I was in the, I was in Greensboro, I was in my old apartment. I'm watching this video. As David Wilcox was talking about doing meditations, third eye, all this stuff. And this was the first time in my life that I felt, oh, I can connect with the Divinity directly. This is what David Wilcox is telling me that I don't have to go through some other person. Yeah. I can connect with God. Because up until that moment, I, for a while, I didn't know if there was actually a God so to speak, as has been taught through, say Christianity. Right. I knew something, but what it was, I had no idea.

8:15And then I never knew how to connect with it and never had any direct connection with it that was to my conscious mind. Let me put it that way. So in this moment, I was like, okay, this is a way. So I was extremely excited. So I was like, okay, I'm going to teach myself how to meditate. So I went on YouTube, found a video, told me to do some breathing, closed my eyes, and I did that. And you know, something profound happened. Something truly amazing happened when I sat there and meditated. Nothing. That is profound. That is profound. I was just sitting there trying to meditate. I was thinking about my laundry. I was thinking about why I can't get my mind to shut off, et cetera, et cetera. How long ago was this? This was 2008. Okay. Yeah. And so then, towards the end of this meditation, you know, I started going into somewhat of a meditative state. And it was like between sleeping and waking.

9:16I just heard a loud voice say something to my don't remember what it said though. But I just remember a loud voice speaking to me. It started with me, scared me. And then I realized from then on, there was actually something to this. So just the. Yeah. That's profound, man. Was it audible like outside of your head or was it a very good question? So when I hear, because I've had both, I mean, it's a real question for sure. Yeah. So for me, anytime, it's always audible. It seems like it's coming from the center of my mind. So it feels like it's a voice being spoken from the center of my head. That's why I hear it audibly. So it's loud as well. So it's very jarring, you know, so it doesn't feel as though like, you know, right now, if you were wondering a side of phone number in your own mind, you could hear your voice saying it, but it's not loud. It's not jarring. You know, you're generating it. This seems like it's being generated from somewhere else and it's communicating to me, and within my own inner world, but it's loud.

10:18And I'm hearing it as if I'm hearing you with my ears. Right. Yeah. I know exactly what you mean, but also for those who might not have known what you mean, that's a great way to simplify it. You're really good at that, by the way. Thank you. You got me. You know, hearing you just break these things down, you're really good at that. I mean, you know what? I really, it's funny. I appreciate you saying that. I hear that often, but I guess we all have our gifts. And that's just something that I guess I always have been able to do. And I think really kind of tied into this. I think the reason that I have a knack for that is because for so long, I was looking for somebody to make sense of spirituality for me. Yeah. That kind of tried to take on that role as an individual who can make it make sense. Because Bob Marley once said that if you truly understand something, then you should be able to explain it to a five year old. Yeah. You know, and that's true. Exactly. Bob Marley, bro. For sure. Absolutely. He was an angel. He was. I have a friend named Dan Brouley.

11:19He's like a very prolific breathwork master. And something he said one time was that the true mark of mastery is to be able to take something and then distill it to its simplest form. So it's like it's one thing to be like, you know, I am a master. I do all this complex stuff. I'm like, that's cool. But like, I do really feel like a real master of a thing can take away all the fluff and just make it very simple and put it on a plate and show you so that you can understand. Absolutely. It's good craft. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for sure. So yeah. Then I, my third or fourth time meditating, we was a third, went to a meditative state, was able to start seeing what is known as the blue pearl in the Eastern tradition. I didn't know what it was called. What is that? Well, they say the blue pearl is the outer covering of the soul. For me at the time, explain like kind five.

12:19Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. So I was going into a meditative state. And now because I wanted to be able to focus on meditating, I would use a blindfold instead of like having to like just keep my eyelids closed, right? Because my purpose was I wanted to access this third eye that David Wilcott was talking about. And I was determined. So I did it every day. I believed it. And when I believed something, I applied knowledge. So I really believed what he was saying. It made sense to my own mind and consciousness that resonated. So I'm like, I'm going to do this. So I had a blindfold on. And as I was blindfolded in meditation, I was laying down, maybe about 15 minutes in. I had some meditation music going. I started seeing like this little blue squiggly lines appeared in a way. You've seen the Northern lights not in person, but yeah. But yeah. So that's what it looks like. Just blue, you know, but kind of flowing. Yeah, just flowing. Motion. Exactly. And then the light would just get brighter. And then it was just swirling and dancing.

13:21So immediately what I did was I took off the blindfold because I was like, okay, maybe the blindfold was squeezing my eyes really tight. And it's creating like these phosphine appearances. And I'm just seeing things. And I rub my eyes, put a blindfold back on, lose her to make sure, went back in the meditation, only like two, three minutes passed and start happening again. So then inside of myself, I crossed my legs and put my hands on my knee all consciously. You know what I'm saying? Just in my own mind. I'm just sitting there looking and I'm thinking of myself. Here I am 25 years of age. And I never knew that this existed in my inner world, that I could close my eyes and without my physical eyes, watch some light dance in front of me and just continue dancing and swirling. So then after that, I decided I made a decision at that moment that I was going to meditate every day for as long as I could and that I was going to make my life revolve around spiritual power. Yeah.

14:21That's really incredible, man. I feel like that just barely scratches the surface. Yeah, yeah, that was the entry point. Yeah. No, that kind of tripped me up earlier when you said the thing about walk of flakka because like I know just, you know, knowing you for about a month or two now, I knew that you have a producer background. We don't have to go all into that avenue if you don't want to. Sure, sure, sure. But I find myself constantly meeting people from the music production world. I mean, could you say that's accurate Alex? Like how many friends do we have right now that are kind of a, you know, like, closer to 10 now? Oh, shoot. I can't, I could, I could name five or six like that. You know, people who, people who like you are like in the music production world, I think there's something about audio engineering, that kind of brain that has a really good neck for dissecting these kinds of things. You know, having, having a fat and engineers too, like actual engineers, having an inclination

15:22to like dissect the spiritual mysteries and be able to understand them on a different plane. But now that's hit me up because I have another friend who's a, who's a music engineer, who's very spiritual who's also connected to, to walk of flakka so I was like, whoa, I was calculating like, do you guys know each other? Probably not, but I'll probably introduce you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think just like the creative space, I think actors and actresses as well, like as an example, after I started, you know, really becoming popular online, someone of my favorite actors followed me like Gerald Butler started following me. Wow. Yeah, Sharon Stone. And then I was actually watching a Euphoria recently and I saw Sharon Stone was on there. So I was like, she follows me while not DM her. So DM her and I'm telling her, I like the role she's playing. She's like, oh, thank you. And I was like, you ever thought about acting and like how close it is to like channeling and she was like, it's exactly what it is. Yeah. You know, and as you were just talking, you know, about just creative space. I think that when you're creating, whether it be a character and tapping into an energy

16:28or you're creating music or lyrics, et cetera, it's already existing. You're just accessing a field, pulling the information down. I think that's really all we're doing even with spiritual out of it. Yeah, dude, that's such a simple way to put exactly the same thing that I believe we've actually devoted a lot of time throughout the years in this show, like talking about that very thing. I don't know how deep you go into this. Oh, you were at Sci Games. So you're already kind of immersed in this world, but you know, like, you know, shout out to the Monroe Institute. It's a very wonderful place and something, something that they talk so much about is like the intersection between the left and the right brain and when they connect through, through, you know, becoming synchronized, that psychic states can happen. But we know that right brain is the creative side. So I do think like you're saying, like creatives, artists, musicians, painters, actors, people like that kind of do have a little bit more of a, a little bit more of a kick start and

17:30getting into spiritual experiences because you live in that right brain. It comes easier in my understanding based on many years of, you know, just research and talking to researchers that it does seem like creatives have a little bit more of an edge in these sort of, you could say psychic or spiritual, spiritual things. Yeah, yeah. The thing is because there's just a trust in the unseen, you know, because everything creative is, you're pulling from what you cannot see, you know, like we're all just sitting in a room, just chilling. There's so much going on. Like if there's an amazing song that's about to be produced, at some point, nobody around knows this amazing song is going to be produced outside of the person that's thinking and contemplating the production of it. But it already exists. They're just pulling it through. And I always think that's just so amazing that everything that we find amazing in this world, it has its origin in the unseen. That's that right brain.

18:31And somebody trusted themselves enough to bring it out. Absolutely. Absolutely. Without question. That's true, man. Good point. This is Alex of Blensa, said so. If you've been following the show for a little while, you'd know that I just had a child. And this has been one of the most life-changing experiences that I've ever been through. However, it has made me way busier. And I'm sure many of you out there are parents and many of you out there are busy. But just because you're busy, it doesn't mean that your spiritual exploration and your meditative practice has to suffer. That's why I'm so excited to tell you about the brand new offering from the Monroe Institute. If you go to MonroeInstitute.org, you can access the Gateway Voyage Online. And this is the complete Gateway Program guided by Bob Monroe that you can take in the comfort of your own home at your own pace. And when you graduate, you get the certificate that everybody else that's been through Gateway gets. This is absolutely incredible because now your time is in your hands when it comes to the Monroe Institute.

19:31So if you go to the MonroeInstitute.org, again, that's MonroeInstitute.org and use code BSS at checkout, you get an additional discount. MonroeInstitute.org use code BSS at checkout. So I remember talking to you for the first time and I was just so blown away by our conversation and I was just telling my wife, I was like, this guy's cool. Because I really don't meet too many people who are so versed in like the Eastern system like you are because this is a very Western world. And I do meet some people in a sectarian, yoga or they're into other things like Hinduism or Advidhana or whatever. Very interesting stuff but you happen to be involved in things that at the time I've been interested in getting into. So I was wondering if we could run that back a little bit. I remember you telling me the story that you were sort of having some experiences that

20:34prompted you to go to China and learn about things like Neh Gong and let me even make this a little more broad. So aside from that, I want to go into that stuff. But I'm also like, if I had to throw out two questions, just kind of trails we could follow. You have your show, you're doing so much work with your show to sort of bring awareness to these kinds of things. What's your big picture? Big picture? Yeah, there's a mission here. Oh man. I think ultimately it's just to continue to be a service. You know, I mean, I'm going to keep it simple in that regard because the quote unquote picture shifts all the time. You know, and I realize that I plan and to some degree it goes as planned but I always am always surprised. And I do think that you're only alive to be surprised because if we weren't, what will we alive for? You know, everything is going to happen. And if you could make everything happen, if you want to happen, it kind of defeats the purpose of living, you know.

21:35So I think that ultimately is to be a service and really just finding solace in the fact that I'm doing that and then just kind of being along for the journey. But I'd say in the immediate future, you know, just I do something called Sunday service every Sunday. So you know, making that something that might happen in the physical, you know, whether it's I have some space where I'm able to bring people to, you know, in the physical and do Sunday service and really outside of that potentially creating another show or series where, you know, I'm just expanding on consciousness. But it seems like all these things are just manifesting. So I'm just being obedient. I love that. I love that. No, I mean, that's for a found man. But I do remember you telling me something to the effect of, you know, you, you had, you had an experience that sort of revealed to you, you know, that you were supposed to be on this path.

22:35So yeah, but sure, I'm sure. I'm going to hear that story again. So I'm going to give you another piece. So my entire family is from West Africa, Sierra Leone, on the first one born within the country. And that's pertinent. And I didn't realize why I was pertinent to them more recently. But you see where we're from, we are colonized by the British, similar to Nigerian. So I'm Sierra Leone, they're colonized by the British. So a lot of people in Sierra Leone are Christian. And there's also a lot of people in Sierra Leone who practices long. But majority of everybody in Sierra Leone also practices indigenous spiritual traditions. So one of those traditions were, was two of them. There's one where when somebody passes away, we go outside, we take food. And then we bury the food in the ground, giving it to the ancestor. So it's literally, we are giving them food on the other side. And then leading up to the days when they, or after they passed on, we'll take water.

23:38We'll set it on a saucer, we put it on a plate, or put it on the table and just sit it out and leave it there and honor the ancestor. Now, when I was a child, none of it really made sense to me. I decided to some indigenous practice that my people were practicing. I was living in Western world, so I didn't really give it much credence. As I got older, though, I realized that these practices of connecting with the ancestors and the fact that food has energy and that water is a medium, like a mirror between this world and that world. Interesting. It was a reason as to why I was exposed to these things earlier. So it made it really easy, like even when my parents were calling out to the ancestors, they wouldn't just speak their name, they would say with passion. You know, it would be a very passionate thing connecting with those with past on. And as you were just saying, you know, I told you stories about how I started to get into all of this. And as I was finding more out about the Eastern spirituality, I came across some monks

24:45chanting in Sanskrit. And when I heard them chanting, it just did something to me like, man, you don't even think you understand. Like I heard them chanting the Gayatri mantra. And I remembered hearing it and I just sat there amazed and they was something about it made me feel like this was the first time I heard people singing where they weren't concerned about sounding pretty. They weren't concerned about how they were being perceived. They were trying to make sure that their voice was heard by the divine. This was a call to the divine. It reminded me of like when a dog or a wolf hows at the moon and he's there, there's like this devotion in the dog. We probably don't recognize it. It's kind of a chilling sound too. Absolutely. Yeah, I know what you mean. But their whole being is committed in that how dogs never halfway how they fully there.

25:46And that's what I was feeling when I was hearing these chants to Sanskrit. It was something about the melody that was hitting me in a particular way. It was hitting my glandular system. My body felt that. So then I started going on YouTube every day because I wanted that and I found singing lessons. And I taught myself how to sing. Wow. This is Ashley Kennedy from the Ben and Ashley I almost same as podcasts. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cash back that builds automatically everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming.

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27:55then I started being able to have what I was telling you earlier about certain levels of dream. This is before any dream, yoga, this is just me doing these things. Certain levels of dream recall and was starting to be able to generate Chi, which is like this magnetic force of energy. We'll call it a goi Chi is what we call it in our tradition, which is what they call ghost Chi. If you ever take two magnets of the same pole and try and push it against each other that resistance, that feeling is what I was feeling throughout my whole body. I was able to just start generating that just by moving my hands. As I continue to meditate and do these things and do breath practices and everything, more and more of it would start to be generated to the point where I could walk up on somebody and touch them and then it would start to generate electricity and all of these things. I was quite engulfed in those practices. Then I saw a video of John Chang's a really popular video on YouTube of John Chang's

29:02setting paper on fire with Chi. I think it's scrubbed from the internet. No, I still there. It's still there. At one point it was hard to find. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not still there. I got in contact with him. I told him, I want to do something. I do it. There was a book written by one of his students called the Magus of Java. I read that book and was an amazing book. I found the author. I found the email for the author. I emailed him. I was like, hey, I see that you studied with John Chang wrote a whole book about him. I want to study with him too. Can you make this happen? He was like, no, like they said in the John Chang movie or being documentary that was on YouTube, he no longer teaches. But there is another lineage in China that still does teach. I can get you in contact with one of their students. Then they got me in contact with the student. His name was Grady Leach. He was actually an entertainment attorney from Hollywood.

30:02He was brought out to China by one of his friends. He went kind of reluctant. His friends like, yo, there's a master out here. You can do all these amazing things with energy. You got to see it. He brought them out there and our master's young fun hit lit a flame retardant shirt on fire with his bare hands. Then Grady Leach decided no longer to be an entertainment attorney and then became a student of the lineage. Now here I am talking to Grady. I'm telling Grady about what I was experiencing about my experience with seeing the blue light and the blue pearl about my experience now being able to feel this energy coursing through my body and how I knew nobody here in the Western world could really assist me as I wanted to be assisted. And then they were like, we'll go ahead and you go come on out here. Yeah. That easy. Yeah, it was that simple. It was your desire. It was your desire. Yeah, and told me I needed to like, you sell a bit for several months. Oh wow. Do all these other things. Yeah. That was even very profound.

31:03As a result of that, I started having spontaneous out of body experiences. Interesting. There's a lot to impact there. So you are, you know, forgive me if I'm misunderstanding here, but are you saying that beginning to sing those Sanskrit mantras sort of catalyzed this path for you? Absolutely. I feel like it was a part of it. Yeah. Because what that did was open up my feeling and expression body. Like, yeah, you know, many of us, especially as men, we don't allow ourselves to tap into that spirit of full body expression. Yeah. We might express anger. We may express something through comedy. But rarely do we express like passion from just all parts of our being. And I felt like this was allowing me to sing again, not to sound pretty, but to connect

32:04with something higher than myself and not be concerned about how I was sounding so to speak. And that opened up things within my spiritual body, you know, to where like that allow for me to bloom. Right. That's funny. It's like this. You want to explain that one out? Your head makes fun. It's pretty self-explanatory. You just got to. I'm going to say I was laughing pretty hard. We were just having lunch like an hour or so ago. You know, Tiko has been here a couple hours now. We were chatting and we just got started getting deep. I was like, hey, time out. Time out. We got to go record. That's what I was talking about. But something that Tiko said that had me cracking up was, are you okay if I talk about that? Is any of that off the table? Yeah. Tiko was like, you know, what's the most, you know, like profound mushroom trip you've had? And we were telling our stories and Tiko was just like, yeah, I took seven grams of, seven

33:05point five grams of mushrooms and saw the Luciferic rebellion. And we were just talking about stuff. I do want to go, but speaking of that, right? The mushroom thing. We can say the Luciferic part. I thought that was actually very interesting. If you feel like you want to even explore that here, but something from that that I think relates to what we were just talking about. I want to talk about your understanding of what it is that you experienced, what you feel, what you believe about something like Sanskrit, why it's a special, where it comes from and your view and your experience rather. Yeah. Right? I don't even mean your belief, but in your experience. And, you know, I just would say like based on what you're telling me, something I've been very interested in lately, because I had an experience as well, repeating certain Sanskrit vowels in my mind, meditating on certain concepts while breathing in and out in a certain way, kind of similar to Tiko. I started having some weird like inner experiences that were very profound.

34:07It was actually like, I think I was like the night before I met you or something a couple nights before I met you. And I was telling you that story on the phone. I was just like, you're like, have you ever had any weird experiences meditating? I was like, boy, have I? And anyway, so this set me on a path being very interested in Sanskrit and the vibration of sounds and vowels. And I think that's very profound what you shared about like, you know, how chanting these Sanskrit, I mean, basically, you know, they're like vowels, sort of opened your, as you said, you're feeling, you're expressing your spiritual body. And I can't help but wonder if like even from a Western esoteric perspective, is there a notion that maybe there are even nerves in the body in certain, you said your indecrancy structure, your glands, right? Well, there's this notion of there's, there's glands in the body that are connected to these psychic centers. So I'm just like, anyway, I'm going to get out of the way. I want to hear more about that about the Sanskrit. Where does it come from?

35:08Well, you know, why, you know what I'm saying? I was sure, and I'm going to tie it in to even to the balloon part. There's a reason for that. I'm going to tell you. That was funny. And I'll be sure. But interestingly enough, when I had my heart chakra open, that's what it felt like. It felt like a flower bloom from my chest. And I was actually doing a two hour meditation at that time where I was breathing. And I was continuing to chant the word, but I was hitting it like that. I wasn't doing, I wasn't holding a tone. Like a sign. Because if you naturally, when you hit the side, it, it vokes fire behind the chest. You see what I'm saying? And when you were releasing that's also allowing you to exhale and release energy. And I continued to do that. And so much so I was noticing that it was gently massaging the hardness that had been built around my heart. Yeah. And as I continue to do that, continue to do that, continue to do that.

36:08I could feel and also in my mind, I imagined the light green light swirling there. And I could feel in my mind, I, and see like a little light starting to emerge and it started to feel like something was trying to push through my chest. And I kid you not about two hours in. I felt the light fully came through and then it bloomed. It opened. And when it opened, the light radiated through my skull, radiated through my toes, my fingertips through every part of my body through my entire nervous system. And in that moment, instantaneously, I realized, oh, this is what we're always chasing. This is what we're chasing through relationship. This is what we're chasing through drugs. This is what we're chasing through everything. Yeah. And that moment I felt fully, not just fully connected to everything, but I felt content. I felt as a matter of fact, it was more than content. I understood what it meant by my cup run it over.

37:08I felt like I was not only connected to love, I was an extension of love and I had so much love to give. And this was the result of tapping into this expression that singing Sanskrit had helped me do because through just opening my mouth and using my breath in that way, because all singing is just don't breathe and exercise. It was allowing me now to express things that words couldn't express. Like I could keep saying release, release, release, but it doesn't work. The same was, you see what I'm saying is a different component to that because it's different emotion that comes with that. So now did my experience that you were talking about. So yeah, you know, I went on to the 7.5 mushroom trip, which was completely profound. Because I was telling you, this was the first time I'd ever been in the state of complete all, complete all so much.

38:11So I didn't have any words for the experience and a lot of the experience wouldn't make sense if I tried to explain it. The person that I would say did the best job of showing it is Alex Gray. And I didn't know because I'd seen Alex Gray's work way before I had this experience. So I just had to take his word for it. This is kind of the experience that you have in an out of body experience of that nature. But that's almost exactly what it looks like. A lot of what you see in his work, I was experiencing it. I've been there, man. I feel you. No, what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. And it is the closest. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now in this particular state, I was being shown Sanskrit in Hebrew, but it was showing this to me as I was in the astral plane.

39:11And it was the design of it were like, it's very hard to put into words. It was as if I was floating through an astral city. I'm just going to put it that way. And through this astral city, there were like these various homes. And on all of these different homes were these different sigils. What color was the city? Well, if we're going to make it a color, it was almost like purplish. Great. Interesting. Okay. Honestly, you know, and but the sigils were the of the rainbow, the colors of the rainbow. So based upon the symbol and the color, you would know who belonged where. And it was shown to me that in on all of us, we have these sigils that look like Sanskrit in Hebrew. But it was clear from that perspective that Sanskrit and Hebrew word divine, that these were codes essentially from the divine that we had been distilled and brought into this

40:17plane. So when we're seeing people utilize these languages here or these symbols here, it just comes from there. So it's almost like a a symbol, I guess you would say, or yeah, it just highlights the fact that if you're seeing that here that somebody genuinely has memory of our spiritual origin, that's really above my pay grade to understand. But it is something that I believe. Sure. You know, especially like it's a book that I have on my list I want to get into in the coming, I would say months because I'm probably keep scrolling. But something like, you know, the stalking the wild pendulum book, something that's discussed in that book is how you want to look that up on a very basic level and then just like kind of cut in there when you find it. But the notion in that book, one of the many notions is this inventor finds that Hebrew and Sanskrit somehow, it's above my pay grade, right?

41:18But some come from the consciousness world like that, that, you know, that they're observed at the realm of consciousness that they're there, not necessarily that we're creating them here, but that they're there and some sort of wave function or something. I don't know, I'm curious to hear what Alex because I haven't read the book yet, right? But I've had people be like, you need to read this to understand. You find it. So the first one's like acoustic waveforms, right? So Benitov proposed the sacred alphabets are visual representations of fundamental sound frequencies and standing waves that structure consciousness and matter. The other, there's two more, the sacred symbols in his diagrams and illustrations, including the, see, he integrated symbols like the Hebrew letter, A-Lef, which is cool. Yep, the first letter representing formless creative potential or the spark of thought. The other thought is universal language of energy.

42:18He viewed syllables and letters not only as arbitrary human invent, not as arbitrary human inventions, but as precise interference patterns that translate higher dimensional reality into lower observable physical planes. So in other words, Hebrew and Sanskrit are like sound wave forms as well as symbolic expressions of the source of consciousness manifesting the material world. Sounds like, sounds accurate. Sounds like it comes from a spirit world. That's the deck for sure. Pretty much in a way of saying it. And I think that even when they refer to them as the fire letters, it makes a lot of sense because when you look at them, it looks like how when they were flamed, if you were looking at a flame and that's kicking off all of these curves and things like that. That's essentially what Sanskrit and Hebrew look like. Yeah. There are these squiggly lines, I guess you could say, it's the simplest way.

43:19I could put it. Right. But from that perspective, when I was looking at these syllables, it was obvious to me. It felt as though these are divine. These don't, they're not from here. There's no way that they can be from here. Yeah. So you were saying that you were doing that meditation earlier with the sigh, right? Yes. That's interesting. And that kind of gives me a lot more context for some of my experiences because when I had that experience a few weeks, or it was about a month or two back from this point, like July maybe, I was doing this, this Sanskrit mantra, but it was in my head because I was breathing. And I was supposed to contemplate on the Sanskrit words in my mind, understand it. I didn't, what we're talking about now, I didn't understand any of this. I understand it now because of that experience. You see what I'm saying? Because I was just reading, so here's what happened. So I saw a TikTok.

44:19I have some friends in the Western esoteric tradition and the Knights Templar and other sort of, you know, sort of lineages. And they were like, you should look into Tantra, you should look into, you know, Jogchen, you should look into Vajrayana Buddhism, which I know those three things kind of move in and out of each other and they're similar, right? But they were like, if you want to increase your meditation practice, you should look into those things. I was like, okay. So I'm laying in bed one night and I see a TikTok and it's just like Kashmir Shivism. There's these sequences of 112 tantric meditation practices and the thousand year old text. I think it's called, gosh, I can't remember what it's called. I could find it. The Vijava, Vinyana by Rava, I think. The Vinyana by Rava, I'm pretty sure. I have it in my notes here. But anyway, so I saw a TikTok about this. I was like, whoa, this is interesting. My friends are saying I need to look into this stuff. Yeah, here it is.

45:19It's the Vinyana by Rava. Yeah, it's an ancient tantric text from a thousand years ago that's unique to this, you know, this Shivic, it's called Shivic Shivism or Kashmir Shivism, right? Long story short, so I didn't really know what to expect. I just thought it was interesting and it sort of caught that spark in my eye that I was like, there's something to this. A couple of Google searches. I stumbled on a subreddit. It's like, if you're interested in Kashmir Shivism, here's a couple of texts to read. I click a drop down link and it's like, when you breathe in and out, think of these certain mantras in your mind as you're contemplating on certain things. I was like, it sounds cool. You know, and so my point is I just read the instructions, didn't really put that much thought into it and I did a form of contemplative reading, just trying the suggested exercise, repeating this mantra in my mind, which was ah-hom, which is Sanskrit for I am here or I am, right? Like in other words, implying I am Shivah or I am Brahma or I am God, like I am the Supreme

46:23Being. But the point is the ah part is supposed to be emphasized as that primordial side. Exactly what you were just saying. You know, for sure. And I will tell you that my friend Dan Bruele that I did breath words sessions with, I had one session with in private, something that was interesting is that one of the main things that he emphasizes in his work, this guy is incredible. If you're not familiar with Dan Bruele, I mean, like technically kind of by all intents and purposes, he's sort of regarded as the world's eminent breathwork master. He's an incredible guy. And he was just telling us like to sigh, like just sigh, doing a sigh, it does stuff to the nervous system. And like I said, he was the one who said the thing about being a master is just stealing things. He didn't really explain all the super, you know, nerdy, technical details, he's just like just sigh, sigh. So I'm like, okay, ah, I'm doing it and I'm doing it. So long story short, because this was long winded, everything you just described are separately

47:29things that I've sort of accidentally stumbled across and had a similar experience where something really profound like shook me up. There's something, yeah, yeah, and it comes from Sanskrit and chanting and contemplating it in a certain way and activating certain parts of my being, something about that primordial sigh of creation. I don't know, man, I think you're onto something very profound and just confirming through experience I had where I had no clue, why I should do these things. I was just doing what I was told for sure. You know what I mean? Sure, absolutely, man, that it's funny because like we were talking about earlier, like you know, simplifying things and understanding like, no, the sigh comes very natural, you know, after you drink a cold glass of water, one of the first things you do if it's a hot day is like you'll release, you know, and yeah, it's so many of them. For us, we try and carry this weight, you know, of responsibility for those around us,

48:31for family, for all these things. And there's a part of us that just doesn't trust that all will be all right. So we hold on. I think that's the key of the breathwork and the key of mantra. It's allowing us to get into an energetic space of openness so that all those places where we've been holding divine away, it can enter again, you know. Yeah, I think that if we allow for ourselves to trust our interknowing, and I know that's hard for people to get, because I used to think that like, what does he mean interknowing? What is interknowing? But there is a part of us that if we just stop trying to think so much and just say, what is it that you just want to do next? Like, feel your way through things. Like, what is it that you want to do next? Some of us would probably stand up and start shaking because there's a part of us that

49:32knows that there's so much pent up energy in the body that movement is going to take us to where we need to go. Some of us might go punch a hole in the wall because there's a part of us that knows that there's so much repressed energy that we just haven't released. Some of us would go apologize to somebody, but all of us know internally exactly what needs to be done or the heal. And it's really about getting out of linear thought of thinking so much of even like when you were talking about some of the books earlier, for me, after, I was telling you about the law of one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and I'll get back to that. Great call back. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But what I'm going to say is, after I found the law of one, because I opened to that point, I was reading. I remember it was one time I read a 500 page book, I'm like two days. I was just like, yeah, you were consuming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was exactly. I was just on it. You weren't filled. But that learned after digesting the law of one and also from studying like Dr. Gibson

50:34and starting studying with Dr. Phon, that couldn't keep consuming, consuming, consuming, consuming, consuming. It's really like the almost like the capitalist Western mind, you know, of just consumption, consumption, consumption, thinking that by consuming more that the hunger would go away, they never would, they never did. You know, it wasn't until I realized like, I got to get to application. I got to get to applying. I got to get to, you know, being still and just knowing that this is what it is. And it's true that I'm connected to everything and that all things within. Then if I allow for myself to have enough experience, then I'll be able to connect with the same thing that Dariushe is connected with, the same thing that Christ connected with and all these things. But there's a part of us as humans that exalt beings and exalt all the experiences that we read about.

51:34Now, I realized in all those beings and all those experiences are trying to tell you that you can do it now. You can do it yourself. And all you need to do is actually trust what's inside of you, which is also inside of them. Yeah, that's a great way to say it. For sure. But, but the bad to the law of one, man, when I came across the law of one material, you know, for those of the people out there that are unfamiliar, you know, the law of one material, it was a channeled work that was channeled in the 1980s. It was Carla Rutger, Jim McCarty and think his name was Don Elkridge. Those are the people. The three of them were all channeling a group or collective consciousness that referred to itself as raw. It was a sixth density entity. It claimed that it was once on the planet Venus and there was beings like earthlings that were on Venus and that Venus had reached ascension. And then after reaching ascension, all of their consciousness now distilled into one consciousness.

52:39That's what it was referred to as raw. So it was now saw itself as a social memory complex. And it referred to humans as a mind body spirit complex. And eventually all planets evolved into what we would call social memory complexes. So they were channeling this particular collective for many years and asked all sorts of questions. And the answers were truly profound. It was because first it was Buddhism that was the most profound thing that I had come across because it just the way I felt sighing is how I felt reading about Buddhism. Yeah. It was a sigh for my soul. It was like I'm not being told I have to do anything or I'm going to be damned if I don't do this. It wasn't punitive whatsoever. It felt like the energy that free will is supposed to have that you're good already.

53:41You know, it's you that's in your own way. Nothing is forcing you to do anything or be anything. So then now law of one just took that to a higher level. The way that the law they speak in the law of one. I don't know if you ever really read any of the text. Not much. Okay. I'm a knowledge. It's quite profound. The way that the entity uses the English language. It's actually very hard to read it first, you know, because you don't hear anybody that you know of as an earthling. This is Ashley Kennedy from the Ben and Ashley I almost have his podcast. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions. The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real. That's why Clarna stands out. Clarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay

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55:47They're very precise in the word selection so that they can make sure that you're understanding specifically what they're talking about again. They never call a human body a human body. They always refer to it as a mind body spirit complex and just to give you an idea of how they're even speaking. Even when they talk about love, if they want to say show love, they will say show love light. If they're speaking about light, they call it light love. Essentially saying there are haves of a whole that the love is the unseen aspect and the light is the manifest of the love. That's profound. That's a great way to say it. Yeah, for sure. That's what I like about the law of one. It's very, very, if you're somebody who's interested in more, you'll say the left brain and wanting to understand something, the law of one distills the information in such a way I've never seen it done before. It resonated so deeply and it let me understand something because it talked about how to

56:49access the creator and it's set it in a way that I never heard it say before and it said essentially all you need to do is put on the white robe. What it meant by putting on white robe was the same way like when you cross a threshold, if you walk out your house right now, your personality changes. You're no longer the same Ryan that you were because now you're preparing to engage with the world. The same way when you cross back inside the home, you change. Usually your shoulders will drop something. You'll sigh even. You see what I'm saying because your mask comes off. Exactly. Similarly, when you go into a place that you deem holy, whether it be a church or a mosque, your energy shifts to where now you're in a more open space. What a law of one is stating mentally, move into the white robe. See yourself as a servant of the creation by placing yourself and putting your white

57:50robe on so that now you're in a space of openness and divinity and now function from that place because that's what they call the magical personality. Am I accessing the magical personality? You now be able to access the spiritual plane. I just love the way that it broke the whole thing down. From after reading that text, it let me know that I no longer need to be on this hungry search for knowledge, but I kept going and I came across from one more thing. You ever heard about Aasha on the Dean before? No. Okay. So Aasha on the Dean was like, I felt that sign. That burden that you had to make sure I understand. That's the short. Aasha on the Dean. You're a hard worker. Man. Aasha on the Dean was the last person that I'd probably study with and I let it be after that because her spiritual teachings made the law of one look like preschool. No way. After all that, after everything I just said to you, it made the law one look like preschool

58:54because they went into extremely left brain, the detail and the mechanics of the entire creation. It all resonated. But it let me know then that if you want to take this thing fully into breaking it down and detailing it, you can and it's available to you, the amount of energy output to do that though, it just will depend on your own nervous system. I realized after I got to her work that, you know what, I could simplify this and move in a way where all those great to know about the insect toys, the alien grays, the Anunnaki and the various sex, the various bloodlines, how they break down, how it connects to everything else. Learning all this is fine. There's actually nothing wrong with that. But how does that assist you here and now growing in this moment? And that's a question I was asking myself.

59:55Yeah. And that's when I took a step back and I realized like, okay, I'm still on earth. I still need to be able to explain if I want, because what I want from my parents is for them to be able to feel what I feel in this side. What I want for my best friends, I want for their hearts to bloom as well. And sharing this level of the information with them, it's probably not going to do that. It's just going to overwhelm them because it's so much information. It's a shit ton that's happening on this planet. But being able to sit with them, hold their hand and tell them just let go, just sigh, we'll have the impact that's needed. And if they feel like they need to gain any more information outside of that, that's what they're doing. That's kind of where I've come to today. Yeah. I mean, I feel that with my family being such a prolific sort of worldwide UFO case.

1:00:57I just tell Alex all the time, being a little boy, this all started with how's 13 man. So 14, 15, all these adults would be asking me, have you seen any being, what do they look like? What are the craft look like? And we're always like, okay, I understand why you're excited about that, but that's not really the point of this. The point of this is that the beings we spoke to had a message. And that message was about God. It was about the spirit world and the spiritual reality and the awakening of the human being. And it's just this rabbit hole of over time. It's been 20 years now. Almost we've been doing this thing. It's like having these experiences talking about the amazing awareness. I've come to realize, man, people out there, especially in the UFO space, they're so obsessed with like, are there alien bodies in a government facility? It's like, I don't, first of all, no, I don't believe that there are. I don't believe so. But two, like none of that matters. It's about this.

1:01:58It's about the message, which is, you know, we have to awaken to a new type of being. A loving, kind, empathetic. I like to say Christ like because I think it conveys a certain thing, which is, you know, like expansion of the heart. Absolutely. Or what some traditions call the way of the heart. Or like you experienced, you know, your heart blooming, right? It bloomed. And, you know, this is a universal thing, man. I'm curious. You said her name was, what was her name? Acheonadine. Acheonadine. What? Is she on line? She is. I'm going to look into that later. Listen. Listen, man. Acheonadine. Shout out to Acheonadine, man. She was also a channeler as well. She was channeling these 15th dimension beings known as the, man, I can't, it'll come to me. It's been a while. But the information that was coming down was quite, quite profound.

1:02:59Again, law of one, I think is the greatest spiritual text that, in my opinion, that I've come across on the planet, I would say that. Wow. And that's a large statement to make. I know. I know how many I have to say it here. I know what you mean because I have met a lot of people who have tried to convince me to read this. So when I hear you say that, I understand that it comes from a place of like truly having read something that must be profound. Without question. Hundreds of people have been like, have you read this yet? And I'm like, no, but. It's one of those texts like this is the other thing. It's kind of like you can't serve two masters. There's a lot of information that you can download on this planet. There's a lot of stuff that you can read. That's profound. You know, it's just a lot. It's a ton of it. And even with the law of one, although I've read it front to back, I actually do an audio book reading of it on my YouTube channel. Cool. So that people don't have to sit there and read all this stuff and they can hear it with music and all the things. But still, I have to go back and continue to distill the information and keep bringing

1:04:04it. It's no different than the Bible. But as you get older and you read the Bible more, it's for you. It's more to you. You see what I'm saying? So it's kind of like, you kind of got to figure out where you want to be and what you want to lean upon for your understanding based off of how it resonates for you. Because you always find things that have insight because it's all God, right? Literally, it's all God. So. Yeah, I was going to ask like, what is this the same thing as the raw material? This is the raw material. Okay. So someone sent me that book. Yeah, I've never read it. But you know, I am a little, you have to understand too, like having been a public UFO story for many years, something my dad always taught me is like, you know, to like not necessarily cloud ourselves with, I know I'm always very cautious about any sort of material that has to do with like, you know, UFOs or aliens, like kind of poisoning the well. Sure.

1:05:05I always wanted to sort of keep our experience pure. So I'm not saying that, you know, that's a good thing or a bad thing regarding the love one. I've just never felt that compulsion to read it yet. But after the way that you've explained it to me, I'm like, okay, I'm a little more curious to see what it's about. Yeah. But what's the big point? Like what's, what's, I mean, I understand it's about the love one. So I'm assuming it has something to do with, you know, we're all one. It's the one God, right? Yeah, that's, you know, let's, let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Like so one of the dope things is a lot of one, those entities are not concerned about trying to get anybody to believe a thing. Right. They have no purpose in that. They, they taught me how to show love in a truly divine way. Because the way that they approach it, the moment somebody asks a question about like, what's going to happen in the future? What should I do with this? They always say we will not infringe upon your own free will.

1:06:08So they're never trying to influence anybody to do anything. They're just here to offer insight. But one, the tenets of the law one and what they're trying to get you to do is they say, when you look in the mirror, see the creator, when you look at your brother, see the creator, when you look at the creation, see the creator. Yeah. So it's, it's always just mirroring back to you what the nature creation is. So what the law one does is breaks down what the creation is. It talks about the sun, the, all the planets and no, it talks about them as the logos. It says there was once the one original thought. And then from that thought, it now of course, create everything, but it created what they call, um, low guy, which are plural, exactly, which are now the stars. So those stars are a part of God's original thought. And then those stars have now been given free will and those stars create solar systems. And then those systems are now based off of their own creative process of what they want

1:07:11to make their solar system look like based upon your original thought that the creator had. So our particular solar system decided to give us opposable thumbs, according to the law of one. That's profound. That's one of the things indeed. So that made us more war like because from earlier on, we were able to pick up objects. And as a result, we would combat each other, which is fine because all of this is teaching us to become what they call harvestable. So they look at the same way we have agriculture here in this particular seasons, you plant things. This is where the idea of sowing season all this comes right and then we harvest on exactly. Because exactly what's going on that we have a 75,000 year cycle where within that time frame, we become potentially harvestable. If we were able to move into what is known as a law of one 51, well, not technically, the law of one is just talking about everything is one, but it's referring to either are you

1:08:14serving others are serving the self in order to become harvestable in the light, you must be serving others by 51% in order to become service itself. And I mean, to harvestable within the darkness, you must be serving yourself in 95%. So you have to be quite wicked, so to speak, in order to, but they said that there are beings that were able to do it. They said, gang is calm was able to move into a higher density of existence through serving himself so greatly because ultimately, whether you're serving others or serving yourself, it's all the creator. But they said that after you move to a certain dimension of existence that you're no longer able to continue serving the self or move forward without unification because as you move up higher, it all becomes one. So there are many entities who will try and create realities that an ashianadine gets deep into this. So there are many different entities that will create religious systems and then create voices called them heavens that you can go to.

1:09:17And their souls going to these heavenly planes that actually dimensions that were created by entities who have still service to self identification, who now see themselves as deities and now siphon energy from the beings that are incarnating into these places when they leave here. And then eventually will reincarnate back on earth and other places, not realizing that the heaven that they quote unquote went to was a siphoning center of for energy for this particular being that created this reality. I'm saying this to say that one, to answer your question that the law of one's purpose is to just teach you about how the creation itself works. So do you have an understanding of the reincarnated process and all the different things. But I'm also saying this to say that going back to the detail of what's going on in this reality, we have, it's kind of like trying to explain to a cow the politics of humanity

1:10:21literally. You know, the cow needs so much more reference context and brain capacity to gather the information. It's kind of almost impossible for it to be done. The only way you could do it is try and give it some type of energetic download, so to speak, and you still need to upgrade it so that it could perceive all the information. I like, I love that. Upgrade it. That's what I believe is happening to man. That's my point. We're being upgraded. Exactly. So that's what's neurologically absolutely. So that's exactly what's what's occurring, you know, and so the input what's been going on for so long, like through our dream state as an example, most of us are unconscious in the dream state. And I talked about this on my channel recently. After doing dream yoga for some time, and I probably shared this with you, after being able to recall many dreams, I got to the point where I realized that there were things that didn't have access to my own consciousness. I'm supposed to have access, but for whatever reason I didn't when I was able to break through, I saw that I was essentially being manipulated by these reptilian beings.

1:11:26And I never had any memory of that ever. But now because just by focusing and being able to remember what just happened the night before, I was essentially being farmed from my sexual energy or you can call it jing, whatever bodies, reptilian beings. This is happening to humanity across the planet, large. Similarly to how a lot of us will consume animals, the animals aren't really fully aware of this though. The animals will create a place like a cow can come and eat grass. The cow doesn't notice about to die and it doesn't know that it is necessarily being farmed. But the intention of those that are around it knows. So we'll use things that the cow likes in order to get the cow big enough, bad enough, et cetera, and then we eat the cow. The intention of the human isn't necessarily negative because the human just believes, you know, I'm doing what I was taught to do. But the cow wants to live and have free wills, right? No differently in yourself. You want to be able to, if you want to use your sexual energy, you want to use it how

1:12:28you want to use it. But within the dream world, as I was telling my boy over here earlier, we're kind of drunk. So we don't really realize what's going on and there are entities that take advantage of that. And they'll act like there are girlfriends in our dreams or a woman that you really like and they will make you... It's kind of like the myth of the succubus. That's the thing. It's the reason that it exists. The succubus is actually a whole another being, but as I was saying before in your dreams that you don't even realize your dreaming. So as a result of not having awareness in the spiritual plane, beings that do that are service to themselves manipulate humanity. And it's a karmic thing because humanity also manipulates lower life forms. You know. So... Yeah. So I mean, of course, you know, we're also subject to being manipulated by higher forms. Exactly. So then from the law of one perspective, what's the point of earth? Is it like a rehabilitation school? Okay. Cool. Yeah. It makes the very most sense. Like I don't care what your background is. And I want to clarify too, like because we haven't even touched this on the show yet.

1:13:31And that's fine if we don't, right? But at lunch, we were kind of going a little bit into the no sticks, right? A lot of what you're saying is kind of like no sticks. Yeah. No sticks is profound. I don't even have enough time at this point to like explain the full sort of understanding of the no sticks. But I will say basically, you can think of no sticks in two ways. You can think of no sticks as the majority of the world understands them with the capital G, meaning there are Valentini in no sticks. There's best saline in no sticks. There's set the in no sticks. All these different sections that have these like very strict doctrinal beliefs about certain things like the demiurges literally yawai or yald about law, or Satan, or whatever. And then, you know, things like about the crucifixion in the ascension of Christ. They have these little doctrines that are like, you know, whatever. And then you have little genosticism, which is you don't hold yourself to those specific exact little doctrines of exactly how things happen.

1:14:33But you just understand that you are, you are, I don't know how to say this in a way that really accurately conveys it. You understand the condition of life on earth, which is that you are a spark of the divine and that you can only experience God through direct personal revelation. You know, that you understand that God is a mystery that we come here to learn of the mystery, to experience the mystery, to awaken, to become enlightened to the mystery through what wisdom, which is the experience of the invisible, of the unseen. And you know, we can also go even more in depth than to explaining how we can understand that as feminine, right? As the goddess, as you know, the very aspect of our being able to experience the subtle and visible nature of God is the feminine aspect of our consciousness, you know, whatever. So there's a whole deeper conversation there, but let's shift.

1:15:36So is there any aspect of the feminine in the law of one? For sure. That's what I said before, you'll talk about light, love, love, light. So when it's referring to the feminine, it's referring to the love, light aspect of the creation, the unseen. Okay. You know, so the wound of the creation. Wow. Yeah, man. It's, it's really, again, you know, I, I suggest, you know, if not reading the entire thing, just looking at parts of it, like literally just going online and typing in love one audio book and just listen to parts and just see if any of it resonates, you know, it's, again, I feel like it'll peak your interest because it's very detailed, very linear in the way that it breaks things down. I really do feel like there's truth in it. I'm not, I'm not someone who, who denies that.

1:16:36And I think that there's something to this aspect of people going into, you know, sort of trance like states or I think it, let me, let me rephrase, I think this is dangerous work. I think that there are very few people that we can look to and say, okay, this is real. And I think 95% of this phenomenon is probably made up just like with everything, right? It's not an insult towards the type of work or whatever. I believe in the ancient world before the flood, before the cataclysm, before, you know, the fall of man as we could think of it. We could say Atlantis. I believe that this was something that we did naturally and that we telepathically had a constant communication with these entities. Absolutely. And that perhaps we could telepathically communicate with one another. And then, you know, we have this whole tower of Babel idea. We have the flood. The world was, you know, mankind had to sort of start over and then we have this early

1:17:41Neolithic man. I'm willing to really, you know, go out on a limb and believe it's very logical that this early Neolithic man probably received knowledge, whether it was from people that survived the world before. Like we have stories in the Bible of this or, you know, other cultures like Gilgamesh, right? Or perhaps something from the spirit world gave it to them. Perhaps they telepathically received it. I don't know. Alex said it earlier. It's like, I think we were at launch when you said this, right? It's like whether you go into a channel state and receive a message telepathically or if a being just gives it to you, like what's the difference? It was given, right? I think in the ancient world, this was common. And I think in today's world, people go on YouTube and they're like, I'm channeling Elvis. For sure. My point is I believe this is a real thing. And I believe depending on the culture of the time, and depending on the understanding

1:18:41of the person who taps in and receives knowledge, that it will be given to them in a way that will make sense at the time. That they will understand. I think that when you go into the world, this is just my belief, right? When you go into the world of spirit, that it's all telepath, that it's all energy, that it's all thought and feeling, maybe emotion. And then when they are speaking to us dumb humans, I think sometimes they're like, you know, behold, I am a flame from the blah, blah, blah, blah. And then maybe in the 1980s, they're like, hey, I'm a social memory complex. And they're saying the same thing and it resonates the same and the words are a little different. So I don't get hung up on the differences. I get hung up on the similarities. Sure. So that was a really long-winded way of me saying, I am very interested in this. You know, I do feel like it. This is Ashley Akinetti from the Ben and Ashley I almost have his podcast.

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1:20:43Yeah, man. You know, I think the vast majority of channels stuff out there is probably made up because I think that would make it can't all be true. Sure. That's a little question about that. It can. It doesn't make sense. For sure. But I would say of all the ones that have ever been put in front of me, the few that have kind of flagged my attention. I'm like, is there something to this? I'm a little curious. Is that one? And then there's another one that I wonder if you're. Seth material. Well, that one too, actually. I've heard of that one as well. Recently, but the one I was going to say is of course, of course, yeah. Yeah. It also sounds interesting. Yeah, right. Yeah. Of course, America is like a fourth density. The ones that they believe is information from Christ. Of course, America was a spot on as well. I mean, of course, America says never sign contracts and it says never on side with sickness. And the way it breaks down both of these things, I think are profound, you know, siding with sickness is essentially if somebody is in the state of ignorance. And now become ignorant to fight ignorance only doubles the ignorance.

1:21:47So it's essentially saying don't match the energy raised the vibration. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. It's like seeing that the, you know, we're all divine, which is, you know, obviously universal truth. But I liked the way that it framed it as, you know, even understanding that your neighbor who attacks you fearfully and hatefully, that in itself is an illusion and it's not real. Absolutely. So don't, like you said, you know, don't, don't match it. Pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, man. I mean, that's after having my heart opening experience, you know, like a lot of times there are people who are not like some of my ideas because in my opinion of how, and I, when I say this, I'm not comparing myself, but I'm saying how Christ's like the perspective is, you know, because for me, like, I don't believe that evil exists and that can be jarring for people. But when I break it down, it's in the line with course of miracles, the law of one and any of these other things, you know, because essentially it's like somebody can say murder

1:22:52is evil. We can just put it right there. And most people would be like, okay, sure. But then let's say that somebody murdered your whole family, then you murdered that person. Now people are like, oh, it's kind of justified. They're not going to call you an evil person. But then again, let's say that you just so happen to murder a dog. Now they're going to be like, oh, it's evil. But then if they find out that when you were a child, you were molested and other things, and they find out that's why you murdered a dog. Now it's like, oh, not so evil again. So it's the actions we want to label, but an action is always tied to something else. Even when we're talking about children as an example, from a human perspective, we see a child simply as a child. From a spiritual perspective, a child is a billionaire also that chose to incarnate into a body where it couldn't will itself out of that situation so that it can be given the information of its ancestors through its parents, downloading into his nervous system,

1:23:56and it couldn't fight the downloads. In order so they can come do the work that it was supposed to do, which was to try to transmute or heal said generational curses. But that rethuman isn't viewing it from that perspective, viewing it from a survival standpoint, and from a survival standpoint, whatever is against whatever the moral closures of the day is considered evil. But the more the heart expands, the more you understand what Christ and everything understood. And everything as origins comes from the same divinity. So if your beef is with the creation, then your beef is truly with the divinity because God has allowed it. If it exists, it has a purpose and its existence. So the real thing is you just don't understand why it exists. So it goes back to the course of miracles. If you're feeling hate for something is because there's ignorance because you're only angry when you don't understand the thing. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But once you understand the thing, then there's no reason to hate it any longer.

1:25:00Because you understand how it became what it was, no different than a lot of people will hate themselves for a decision that they made. But if they embraced themselves, now understand why they made the decisions. And then they learn from said decision. And now the result will be a better human because of the decisions. It make better decisions. Exactly. So everything that's happened in our history, whether it be the Romans, whether it be Atlantis, whether it be Lumiria, whatever, it leads us to today to be able to sit in front of each other and break bread as brothers. So is it really evil or is it the gateway to the light? And that's why I say evil doesn't actually exist, ignorance exists, which is the forgetting of our nature as one being. You see what I'm saying? I completely agree. I think that would shock a lot of people if they're like evil doesn't exist. And it's a paradox because it does exist and it also doesn't exist. It exists from the perspective of someone experiencing it in that moment. But then when you zoom out and it's like, when you go to a higher perspective, you see

1:26:03that this is all a dream on some level. And until you experience that experientially, it's going to sound like gibberish. You're like, oh, they're just talking about a crap. But until you leave this body or have some sort of transcendent experience of the divine world, it's sort of shock your nervous system, shock your psyche, wake it up, pass this little material dream and realize there is a bigger picture here. You know, there's something really grand going on. You know, I think most people are asleep and they're kind of caught up in that little duality of like, this is all there is. There's good and there's evil. I do think that there's only good. And like in a sense, it's very hard to comprehend. What we came here to experience this broad spectrum of things. And this is going to sound controversial as well. I tend to think that there may even be people in the earth that don't have souls. Or if they do have souls, they're very basic.

1:27:04Maybe they're very young. Maybe they're not very spiritually potent. And they serve a purpose in this world to enact certain things for the ones like us and the many numbers of people awakening to experience certain lessons. And the reason I say that is because in the Gnostic text they talk about this and some other traditions that there are souls on this world who are completely spiritually dead. You know, modern times they say NPC people are like, that's, that's, you know, I don't even know the word, that's judgmental or that's, you know, whatever. But there has to be a reason for somebody like a Jeffrey Dahmer to like butcher people. You know, there has to be a reason for someone like Stalin or whoever to kill 60 million people. There has to be some lack of a spiritual thing in a person who's capable of doing such a thing. I don't know. I guess there does a half to be anything. But my point is, you know, when you get into the differences of this Gnostic, the schools

1:28:05of Gnostic thought, which I really think Gnosticism is so profound, they kind of have this view like world is sort of like hell, like it's like a nightmare. But then you realize that even those were allegories and that, you know, the Western esoteric tradition doesn't necessarily view that so literally like this place as hell as a punishment, but it's actually also it's like a school. It's like a rehabilitation center. It's like you said, like God wills this place to be we come here. Our higher self has some sort of grand plan for us to come here to experience all the things on our evolutionary journey back to source. So it's like, yeah, that might be jarring for someone to hear there is, there is no evil. But it's like what they said in the matrix, you know, there is no spoon. Absolutely. I think some things are so abstract, some truths rather are so abstract and they're so complex that they baffle the human brain and, you know, it's really hard to understand.

1:29:09But I surely do think at the highest point there is no evil. So what's the difference between this point and that point and that point, we're just not aware of the big picture. Indeed. You know, we see the little picture, what's right in front of us right now. For sure. Now I think about it also in a perspective of you were talking about like mass murder. But if you're looking at it from an animal's perspective, a human is quite evil. And as humans have mass murdered majority of the animals for the sake of what we will call food, we don't have to eat them. It's not something that has to be done. If we all had to as an example, sustain ourselves off of beans and fruits and other things, humans can ride out to the sunset and not die. But we kill them because of whatever the reason. Oh, it's more than that. Even just building stuff. That's my point, you know, but cities and about point exactly. With what from the animal's perspective, the human would be quite evil.

1:30:10But the human would argue that perspective as to is the human evil. And all I would say is the human is the human. You know, it's to label it places it in a place where it can't be transient. Yeah. But every experience is transient. You know, today, like I said, the light needs a dark to know itself and vice versa. So the light is just a perspective that you have. The thing is brighter, the darker, the more you're in darkness. But the more you're in the light, the more you can't understand what the light is and the more you are able to see the darkness from a distance. So as you were saying, it's all just this spectra sliding, sliding spectrum. And I feel like Christ, this is why I really like the attendance of Christ overall because it says judge not. You don't say judge sometimes or not. It says, because the moment you make a judgment, you're now blocking yourself off from the version of you that can become the thing that you're judging. And all of us can become the murderer, you know, if the right person is killed

1:31:14around you, you could easily turn into the murderer. If something happens to somebody you love, you can easily turn it to the murder. There's a potentiation for if you have the same life experience as the other person, that's the thing that you judge, that you could easily become them. You just didn't have their life experience. So when we're not able to open our heart, what is it? It's John 420 that says he who says he loves God, but hate if this brother is a liar, for how can you love your brother? Well, so how can you hate your brother who you have seen and love God who you have not seen essentially, you know? Yeah. But I always just constantly process because there are people on this planet that we want to believe. The thing that they did makes them unlovable essentially. But all of us come into this world no differently than beautiful James out there. James and baby. Thank you. Smiling, joyful, looking at the world for love.

1:32:18And then things happen, whether it's the parents, whether it's the friends, and they don't know how to deal with it in their nervous system. And when you are murdering somebody, it has everything to do with your nervous system and your management of it. When you're stealing from somebody, it has everything to do with that. And everything that you are is based off of the environment that you're raised within with your talk with. And even if you want to go back to the previous incarnations. But all these things, essentially, I feel like even when we are thinking about the idea of sin, and we know the origin of it is to miss the target of what have you. But essentially, it is the idea that we are not innocent. There's guilt. But that innocence is how we came into the world, much like the creator, believing that everything is as it should be, so to speak. But then when we were first judged by another person, who was a person that's an ignorant, who was forgotten, then in that moment, we have a decision to make.

1:33:21Will we believe their judgment that I am too ugly, that I am too short, that I am too tall, that I'm not good enough, et cetera? Or will we realize that it's a projection of their own innocence, a day removed, the fact that they hold themselves to be guilty? And most of us will take on their judgment and say, you know what, I'm not good enough. And now we see ourselves as incomplete, and now we search the world trying to complete ourselves. And I think that's how the ideas of the wickedness and the good even come into play. And truthfully, it's us that have chosen to forget our innocence, even if we don't realize that we made that choice. Yeah, does that make sense? It does. I know it was heavy. You got me signed. Right back to where we started, you know, with all this sign. You know, I get the sense, I think that we're coming to a good, I mean, we still got some

1:34:22stuff to wrap with. Yeah, I want you to, you know, to let everybody know where to find you and everything. But I feel like we're at a good closing point. And I find my head spinning with some of the things that you're saying. And I'm like, you know, thinking about them, just processing what you're saying. So I get the sense that, you know, there should be more conversation. I really enjoy talking to you. For sure, absolutely. Nice work. I feel like there's a lot to learn there. Alex is shaking his head. Yes, he's like, yes, I like this guy. His birthday was yesterday. I was like, happy birthday, bud. We're going to record your birthday. We can. We're about to see. You know, we're about to play an emergency. I like that. This has been really fun. I'm looking forward to, you know, hopefully turning around and also doing your show. Absolutely. I also get the sense that there's more just, you know, just more to learn, more to process, more to unpack. I would love to. All right. So full disclosure, guys, we were going to do a sky watch last night. And the weather here has just been terrible.

1:35:23It's been stormy and rained all night and all morning and just wasn't good. So he lives two hours for me. Wonderful. Synchronicity. So he came up for the day. But I would love to make that happen. Absolutely. In a future time. Absolutely. I think that'd be really cool. And, you know, to be honest, I don't think you need to see a nor I don't think you need to have some sort of spiritual experience or anything of that nature. But I think that you would just really enjoy to see a thing that you already, and my mind have an understanding of and you already have a resonance with that, with that world, with, with the divine. So just to see it is just a layer of confirmation that I think is, it's just a beautiful experience. You know, it's just fun. Absolutely. I've met so many people in my life that have been like, I need to see, I need to see, I need to see it. And I get that. And that's real. And there are some people that feel as if, you know, they need a miracle and they need a confirmation and that is so valid. But I think with you, it would just be, it would be a cool experience to, I think it

1:36:29would be so effortless. I think that you just, you already know what, you know, this divine is and, and having an understanding of this. And then just to see it would kind of like when I, when you were talking to me about the Sanskrit vowel thing and it made me understand things that I had been experiencing from a new lens, I think it would do the same for you. Without question. You know what I mean? You're having all these meditative experiences and then I think to see something, you'd be like, oh, okay. And it'll just kind of flip that, that paradigm a little bit to where you can, you'll see, you'll see. So I definitely want to do that sometime in the future. I'm looking forward to, you know, doing your show and otherwise man, like let me just shut up. I want you to tell everybody where to find you and how to support you. Sure. So, hey guys, it's yours truly, the mind of Biazzale also known as Tigo Biazzale. If you want to support me in five, you can go to the mind of biazzale.com as T H E O F B I Z E E L dot com. I'm sorry, T H E M I N D O F B I Z E L dot com or you can go to mind of biazzale on Instagram,

1:37:32TikTok, all the social media and YouTube, the mind of biazzale. Give him some love. He's, he's an extraordinary guy. He has just a wonderful energy. Our neighbors here in North Carolina, we only live two hours from each other. You know, ask it for squares. Did you meet those guys? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. They said they were just doing a new on studio. Yeah, they're in Greensboro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I didn't even know they were in Greensboro. Yeah, so what else crazy? We're all like, we're all like within a few hours of each other. Oh, yeah, that's awesome. I didn't know they were in Greensboro. That's cool. They lived there for many years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, small world man. Yeah. North Carolina is blowing up bro. Hey man, we're here. We're getting it out there. We're building community. I could see something coming from that. So thank you guys very much for listening. Please go support Tego. He's an awesome dude. And we love you and we'll see you next week. Bye guys. I like that. Yes, please. Moudra. Prana Moudra.

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