139: Bottom-Up Democracy, Burnham's Speech and Bobby Chariot's Wig

0:30Okay, you want to do a little warm up game? No. Okay, fine. Have you ever played mine melt before? No, what's that? Let's, you, I'll say three to one and then just say any word, anything you think of, all right? Yeah. Three to one. Coastal. Oh, close. What did you say? Coastline. Whoa. I was literally looking at a coaster, I said coaster. Where is it? Coastline and coaster. The other two words we have. And now think of something they haven't. Oh, that wasn't the trick. No. So now think of the middle, the aim is to say the same word. Right. We'll do it again, but what's in between coastline and coaster? Yeah, think of something. Tell me when you're locked in, when you have a word. Okay. You got one? Yeah.

1:30All right, I've got one. Three to one. Sheesh. Hub. And he said, Seasaw. Yeah. I said, pub. I was thinking of a coastal pub, beer coasters. Seasaw and pub. All right, those are our new two words. Seasaw and pub. What's in between seasaw and pub? Let me know when you have something. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I've got one. Three to one. Path here. I'm fed up with this now. Okay. Welcome to episode 189 of the Alexi sale podcast. When the middle of the Labour Party conference was out of finish, then the green conference started on Sunday, Friday or something. I don't know. In Brighton. But yes, I've got, so I've got an offer for, I don't know how I'm going to do this, but

2:35because I'm moving apartments. And so I found a load of merch from my 96 store, which is T-Shirts, either of me or Bobby Cherry or T-Shirt. And I also found a poster of me done by the artist Darren Coffield. So I thought we could distribute those to the listeners in some form, but I obviously posted to be a bit of a arse. I thought we obviously, some in London, if people wanted them or when I'm around the country doing those. How? How to account for me. I've got a book tour either one of those or one of the festivals I'm doing this awesome. People could, you know, we could drop it off in their town. Something like that, what you think? That's a fun idea. Well, I can also, we can sell stuff on our Patreon page.

3:36Oh, yeah. I found a load of my old books as well. Some have been worth a damage, but I've got it enough that if we did a live podcast, I could tell them it's merch. Okay. Well, yeah, and I can also set up a merch page on the Patreon. I can handle the shipping and everything like that. Well, I suppose if people just want to do that, yeah, I should, I probably show them, only Patreon see the video, don't they? Yes, correct. That's people who join the Patreon.com forward slash AlexiSale podcast. But I can come over, take some pictures of some stuff, we can post it on the Instagram. Okay. Yeah. That's a fun idea. Well, listen, is it home? Let us know if that's something that interests you. Would you be willing to buy vintage new?

4:37That's good word for it. Yeah, but it's new. It's not used, but it is vintage Alexi merch books. I'd be a bit yellowed by time, no, not books, but the t-shirts and the downcuffee of huge posts there of me. Is that just one item or is there like multiple? I think it's just one. Wow. Well, we did do an auction for the AlexiSale Lego piece and we raised money for MAP doing that. No, we could do the same for it, yeah. Yeah, we could post there as a one off and you sign it. I could have some value. That's true. Yeah, great idea. Very cool. Yeah. That's it. Yep. That's me. That's what I do, is no. Welcome to the AlexiSale podcast. Episode 139. That's Alexi. Until I'll. Until I'll call Kutti here.

5:38A Jew and an Arab. A Jew and an Arab living in coexistence on one podcast with Eaghan. That's what I'm going to say. It can happen. It can work. I've been on the, I was, they, they, they, they are just the Christian and Guru, and Matthew. You've been doing so many podcasts in the last couple of weeks. It's so, and you have, you have something on those show, I want to call it Energy. That I don't, you don't get from me in real life. You're all like polished and giving like thoughtful answers and how, how prepared do you get when you go to do one of those shows? Do they send you any briefing of the questions they're going to ask you? I don't know. I was not. I was not. I was not. I was not really Christian and Guru Murphy. I can't remember. I don't read them if they do. I mean, they did say, Christian will ask you how you would change the world. That's how I just thought up something to get random really about lies. I didn't know people would take it so seriously.

6:38That Christian is a good journalist. He really brushed up on you, man. And he would have worked thoroughly and it seemed like he'd even watched your TikToks and your... He's actually been driving in, you know, listening to sandwich bar and stuff. So yes, he, no, he did. He's proper journalist. But in a lot more prep. Well, you know, why should I prepare? I mean, I'm just there to be me, aren't I, really? But yeah. Anyway, that's like 170Ks, isn't it, views. It seems like a lot. And it's all your though, so that parabola way, it starts out like I love Alex's album and then chipback seemed to discover it about two days later and start posting. Yes. When a platform, like Channel 4 put you up, you're going to get that shit, aren't you?

7:42Yeah. But nothing good was... Nothing good has never been divisive, you know. Yeah. Was it on that Christian Gurramurfi podcast, Ways to Change the World? Yes, that's the name of the podcast. And it's funny that you were there promoting your book. Which is called How I Changed the World, yeah. Did he mention, or was it on that show that Murray Bookchin got a mention? Oh, God knows. Someone called Ed on the Patreon said nice to hear Murray Bookchin get a mention. I'm enjoying Alexi's late onset anarchism. I don't know if it's late, he's always. Yeah. That edge. Who's Murray Bookchin? Murray Bookchin was an anarchist. I think he let Jewish anarchists live in Brooklyn and Hasidot are still carrying on

8:45the message. As I understand it, I only know I've got... I'm actually looking at two Murray Bookchins here with my computer is balanced on them. He was very influential in the effect Abdul Aochaland, the leader of the PKK in solitary environment, whatever. Aochaland read a lot of Murray Bookchin. And completely changed his views went from radical violent revolution to advocating peaceful revolution. But Aochaland's idea is obviously influenced the Kedish revolutionaries in Rojaava. And so I don't know what's happening in Rojaava, we should get Kahn rust back on this. But ideas of... I mean, a kind of... Political parties have to be parties of their communities as well that they have to do breakfast

9:52clubs and off a legal advice and stuff like that. Stuff that radical, which is what the Black Panther's did and also understand the groups like the Muslim Brotherhood do. And it's about really democracy traveling upwards rather than downwards really. And it's... Yeah, he's an anarchist. I mean, these are ideas of anarchism really. But I think very relevant to today is struggle really. And the political party... Well, one, it can't just be focused on parliamentary, winning parliament.

11:13No matter what the media says, they can see it's not true because they know him personally. And I think that left politics has to be like that. I was up in Liverpool. I'm doing a programme in Liverpool about Liverpool's the Orchid collection, ready of four, Liverpool at the large store collection in the world. Yes. And then I don't know if I've talked about this before. Are you still working on it? Yeah, well, I mean, Stephanie, the producers does a lot more work on it than I do really. I just went to Liverpool too. To do interviews and stuff and then I'll do the voiceover and we'll kind of agree a script that she's working with charge on it than I am. But I mean, whatever the pros and cons of militants were, the trotchiest faction within the Labour Party, kind of ran Liverpool.

12:15And as the political editor of the former political editor of the Radio Marysi side said, they never voted for them three times. It was only such as shenanigans that forced them from office. I mean, militant is, I mean, I think that a definition of Marxist-Lenders group is that they're very top-down ready. You've got this very tight cater of political believers who really take over institutions and then pass the power down what's ready. Do what, you know, say that they're working for the way. I mean, I don't know. I think that's the kind of politics in the way that you don't want. They're reacting these days. They're counter-political groups that are reacting. But they're on the other hand. They were tremendously popular and you know, with the same people in Liverpool, votes for them three times.

13:20People are hungry for something different, but they're also just hungry. You know, yeah, it makes a big difference if you embed yourself in your community. But I guess most politicians can't be asked to do that. You mention in your book the quote that says, politics is just show business for ugly people. Yeah, that's not, yeah. When you said it, you said it's not gospel, but there's some truth to it. But I think that's part of it is that people get into politics for the wrong reasons, isn't it? They want to get their hands dirty. They want to be a power for people. They want power. They like going to long tedious boring meetings. I mean, it is a way, if you think about it, you can have more power as a politician than a gang member. You can have a story about power. You're some kind of dweeb. You can still get yourself incredible power by working with people.

14:21Especially within your realm, your constituency. You're kind of strange there. And you mentioned you talk about, I'm currently reading a bit about Linda getting into the Labour Party during the Corbyn years. And when this influx of new young activists basically joined the Labour Party and then you've got the old guards quivering in there. Oh, they hated that. Yeah, absolutely. What are these young people who actually want to change shit? No, no, no. They just fucking, they became extremely defensive and fought them with all their might. Yeah. As if it's like, you know, like in Lord of the Rings when the army is like on their last legs and they're fighting the Orcs and then suddenly on the crest of the hill, you see your backup arrives and 200,000 new soldiers come to join your side. And then imagine if they just turned around and shut their cannons at them. But we're fine, Marco.

15:21Yes. Don't join us. Yes, it's. No, what they did. And obviously the people have joined under Corbyn and radio from politics that they are. They're old school that the Labour Party were. Well, you know, they were just awful really. They were also very right wing and faction on that. I mean, Keir Starmer was that they embodyment to those people in that. I mean, they were, he was for them, the, the setting of the, the, the Messiah really, because he embodied in his extraordinary awfulness. I mean, just incredible stupidity and nastiness and pettiness and vindictiveness, which he clearly has with enemy that he, they had all those qualities as well. He was their perfect candidate. And that's one of the things you see this transformation of the Labour Party. But you see, supposedly, you see like Angela Eagle has been tasked with re-nationalising

16:24war or whatever. And Angela Eagle was one of the worst. You know, she conspired and have an air constituency party suspended over completely false allegations. And she's just, you know, suddenly these people are, or you know, evacuper or these people are suddenly not the people they wear on the stammer because they are, they're still the same people. I don't believe that they've changed. So, yeah. Murray Buckchin. Yeah. The next revolution, Murray Buckchin. I mean, I mentioned him towards the end of the book. And yeah. The next revolution is one of his books, The Ecology of Freedom. And he speaks a lot about social ecology. Yeah, but I don't understand it. I mean, one of the things that Bookchin said was that really you cannot be a revolution

17:27who you have to give up your domain over nature and obviously men have, cannot have control over women. You can't, you know, that everybody has to be free in nature has to be, that nature is a very strong part, I think, of what he is. Not also wine or Java, you know, that women are so, so much so as a four. But you have to, but you have to, I think, you know, you have to understand that the, you know, the reverence for the planet is also, I think, essential to his ideas, you know, you can't have this kind of exploitative capitalism that we live under at the moment. That is, I mean, then that is one of the, I mean, one of the things about the venom is that the inherited from Stama is this idea of growth, you know, the growth is somehow a necessary thing.

18:27And that's so, yeah, you can't live without growth, if we keep growing here by year. Yeah, the resources of the planet are finite in there for exactly. Yeah, so. Well, I've got a definition of social ecology here, do you want to go over it together? What is social ecology? There's a website social-ecology.org, social ecology. Now, one, a coherent radical critique of current social political and anti-ecological trends. Two, a reconstructive ecological, communitarian and ethical approach to society. Main points being moral economy, ecology, of course, non-hierarchical, social justice, direct democracy. Social ecology advocates a reconstructive and transformative outlook on social and environmental issues, promotes a directly democratic, on federal politics.

19:28It's confederal politics. I don't know. Social ecology envisions a moral economy that moves beyond scarcity and hierarchy towards a world that reharmonizes human communities with the natural world, while celebrating diversity, creativity and freedom. Well, that sounds lovely, doesn't it? Yeah. I'm all for all of that. I mean, one of the things that Warren Kahn Ross was talking about, Red Javra, now everything has decided via these meetings where everybody's brave to speak. I don't know. Quite... I don't know how that works. You like to spend every evening and the meeting? I don't quite know how that works really after. I think you probably have to include those people. As I say, in AA meetings, somebody AA meetings, they ever, after you spoke with three men, they held up a yellow card, which I think is probably a good idea already. I wouldn't like to think about our future societies, these endless meetings that go on for

20:33days. This is something that one, there's a list of key points of social ecology. One of them is an unabashedly utopian vision. Social ecology upholds the importance of political imagination, of actively envisioning fundamentally different possible ways of relating to one another and the rest of the web of life. So, like, allowing people to just imagine a utopia and work towards something that so many people who are bogged down in a cynical, ultra realistic, will never even allow these kind of thoughts. Yes, I think that's true. Yes, we're just, we're just, we're just courage from having utopian thoughts, aren't we? But why not? There's a dream of a better world. Isn't it? Aim for the stars. Yeah. You might hit the moon. Andy Burnham's speech, it is over the Labour Party conference, finished on Wednesday.

21:35Okay, five key points according to the BBC from Andy Burnham's speech, or five key takeaways. I don't like that. I was like this. The first takeaways, relaxed vibes, serious content. It wasn't wearing a tie, basically. The relaxed Ted talk vibe. Did he watch his speech? Now, saw a little bit on the TV news. Apparently there were a few jokes in stark contrast to Keir Starmer's speech last year. And he didn't mention Nigel Farage or Kemi Badenot once. Okay. Okay, number two, bringing back public control you touched on this already. So this is a promising thing to see him, to see it even being discussed by the top dogs of politics is bringing the ability. Although I think it will. They're careful when they say we're not public control, but I can't remember. Not like public ownership, but it's just more regulation.

22:38I think it's what they're really aiming for. We will see. I mean, they have, I don't know quite how it works that they're taking. I mean, they're gradually taking railway companies back into public control. Aren't they like children railways? I think it's just, well, I always found quite good actually. Well, interesting thing about children railways, are they run to Bista shopping village? When you get to near Bista, the train station announcements is in Arabic and Mandarin. Yeah. That's what other English? Yes, Arabs love Bista so much. We like to dress richer than we are. No, right. That's what it is. Do you like the outlet shopping? Well, much of his speech was aimed at the party faithful with a promise to break with the direction of the past 40 years and put Britain on a new path, bring back traditional labor values. It went down extremely well in the hall.

23:4011 standing ovation in just over an hour. First came when he vowed to overturn Thaksha's 1980s reforms to give the public greater control over housing water and energy. So you're saying it's quite vague language, it's not saying we'll take back ownership. Yeah. But including Thaksha's ideological ban on public ownership of water companies, this would put UK on a 10 year path to a very different water system. No explicit commitment to re-nationalization. The pensions triple lock gamble. Oh, I thought I would take my pension off me. Is that what that means? I'm a bit confused by what that means. I think it's guaranteeing that the pension goes up in line either with inflation or with the retail price index or 2.5%. Whichever is higher. Yes. Generate significant savings to fund his long held ambition of creating a national care service. I like that idea.

24:40No one should be afraid of getting older. No, I agree with that. Not having anyone to care. It's just like I mean, lend them off and push out that our pensions are by European standards extremely low. Yeah, a lot more in Spain, for instance, which is not as you know, not as many means as well for your country is written. So is the 2.5% higher or lower than what it currently is? Well, it will go up every year either by 2.5% or by the cost of living index. What does it currently do? Highest. What does it do? Whichever is highest. I don't know. I don't know which measure they're using this yet. The other inflation or wages or 2.5% whichever side. No, but that's what he's saying he wants to happen. No, that's already happens, isn't it? From April 2030, the state pension would rise every year by inflation or 2.5, whichever

25:41is higher. All right. What happens at the moment? That's what I want to understand. Oh, it goes up higher than that. The UK state pension is expected to increase by 3.9% driven by average wage growth. Oh, so he's going to lower that. Which will save the government money and allow them to do a national care service which will make pensioners. Okay. So it's, it's okay. Turn away, it's kind of... Yeah, it's socializing. Socializing and the pensions. Okay. Interesting. Electoral reform is talking about a lot. Yeah. Well, yeah. This pleased me to see it. I'm not here to bang his drum, but I'm just... I was pleased to see that he's bringing electoral reform into the conversation. It might make things easier for us.

26:42Small revolutionary parties. Yes. Make everyone's vote count. Get a vote count. Everyone's voices heard. But he said it too. Some terrible countries have proportional representation in Israel being an example. If everybody in the country is a genocidal knockout, there's a matter if you have proportional representation. Germany, I think, also has it. That's a terrible fucking shit hole. Germany, man, they're shipping up to 200,000 Syrians back to Syria. Did you see this headline? Yeah, I saw it headline a while ago. Yeah. Really, they're fucking... It's a terrible... They haven't, you know, as I've said before. Probably I've been that Syria is now free. You can... Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not dangerous to go back anymore, which I kind of get. You shouldn't force anyone to do anything, especially after they've established the United States Highlights. I have a number of cousins who have become refugees in Germany.

27:46And they've settled down. They've gotten married. They have kids. So I think they might be exempt. I think it's the ones who haven't done that. I'm assuming. I'm hoping. But that's a crazy thing to think. Yeah. Fucking Germany. Fucking German. It was the last time they piled hundreds of thousands of people onto trains and so on. Yeah. With a particular place. Yeah. The community got on pretty when they laid on special trains, right? Say again. Nothing. Okay, the fifth takeaway from Burnham's speeches in emotional tribute to his late father. Yeah. Oh, earlier this month died from our son. He did quite recently. It's true. I don't know. Okay. Well, they're trying to appeal to both sides.

28:48Do you know what I feel? That my instincts are telling me an overturning of the prescription of Palestine action. Yes. Well, until that happens, everything he says is written on sand, you know, if he finds a way to let those poor kids out as well, they don't benefit from it. Really, because they're classed as fucking terrorists. If he's under anything about that, then he is entirely hollow. I think agreed. Absolutely agree. Come on, Burnham. Show us. Show us your kutspa. Oh, and Andy. So, did you say you've got some questions for me? I'm not. Listeners, if you like the show, want to support us, go to patreon.com forward slash AlexiSale

29:48podcast. You can see full video episodes of the show. There's Alexi Reacts on there. We're Alexi Reacts to shit. He's done. It's a little show where I show Alexi something he's done and he reacts to it. And I met Nigel yesterday by chance, Nigel Plainer from the young ones. And he said he's very keen to do more Nigel Leeson Alexi watch the young ones. But he's doing a book tour of his own at the moment. He's just certain news. So, after yours and his book tour are completed, we will get together and watch and make some new Alexi, Leeson Nigel watch the young ones that's on patreon.com forward slash AlexiSale podcast. Also, chat room there full of questions for you. The Anthony asks, I saw Alexi's marble episode today. He's only in it for five minutes, but it's a great performance.

30:52Yeah. Really wakes the episode up and changes the pace. Also playing a near silent comedy relief policeman is, do you know? Sean Hughes. Sean Hughes. Do you have Alexi any Sean Hughes story? I really didn't know him well. So, no, no, Sean. He was good. I mean, you know, I think he was, he was just in that episode as well. It's amazing. Amazing cast in that episode. Is that with Brian Cox and stuff? Brian Cox, Alex Jennings, Sean Hughes, Maxine Peek. Yeah. Me. It was like, yeah, now it's good in there. Oddly, John Collins. Yeah, yeah, it was so, so, yeah, I'm not always, it was what I don't, I mean, I haven't

31:56really last year. It used to be I would do one of those things every year when I do a new tricks or a lot of my stuff we are māpū mar? uccobi sitte ill, casualty there, I think the last one I did was casualty and don't want to since then, partly because I don't get asks. You did a Mandy. A Mandy yeah, but that's the Jan DeFrend. Anthony goes on to say no Miss Marple has ever been Joan Hickson for her multi-layered Yeah, I think they only did one series with Julian McKenzie, didn't they before they finished it. Many goes on a bit of a rant about the 80s. While we're in the 80s, the worst thing about Factor Zero for me were the share cell offs. The shares were so clearly sold off under price and people would literally talk the next day with no shame about the killing they made. Yeah. But Christy asked did Alex you have any interactions with the late Iver Kotler?

33:03Again, I've got no, not really. He used to teach at Chelsea as well sometimes when I was a student there I think. But now I'd very little to do them. I think it's funny, we some of these stuff's good. I think quirky. But I don't know if I ever actually even met at least a match on you as I met you on you as a few times. But I don't know if that I ever met Iver Kotler, but I thought it was good, you know. I admired his. Okay, have I this one? Toffly asks hearing that Ronnie Golden has died. He had a small role as Buddy Holly and the young ones and performed at the comic strip seemingly up until his last week. Late of a double act with Barry Cryer, saw him headlining last year. Does Alexi have any memories of Ronnie Golden? Well, yeah, I was short Tony DeMare's his real name was. I was with him whenever me and Nigel and Lisa

34:08did that. A young one was singing more, which I think was just before the summer. I remember the weather was a bit rainy. The winter gardens in more, he turned up as well. And you know, he seemed fine then, really. I remember he came back on the train with Nigel. I mean, we said that we said band that was at the fabulous poodles. It's sort of comedy comedy kind of rock and stuff. So yeah, I mean, you're around, you know, I knew him. Yeah, I saw him a couple of months ago. He was 78, but you know, that's not doesn't seem old these days. He was a very good musician. I think competent musician. The fabulous poodles.

35:09Fabulous poodles. Yeah. He was in because stomping on the cat. He was in, which was a song of his. It was in one of those compendiums of stand up the Paul Jackson did before we did the young one. And yes, he was bloody hardy in New York. Okay, I have one more. Let's see if this only knew him not well. Let's see if Connor's question can bring out. Can manage to find a better memory. Yeah, it's good. It's good so far. It's bringing out at least great. Anikdo, isn't it? Connor asks, would love to hear more about what sounded like a bad encounter with Spike Milligan as briefly mentioned in the Roundhouse episode. Yeah, right. Well, it wasn't like, I don't know if I voted. I did a benefit from mine that Camden Town, or all I think it was. And it was really early. I've pretty early on in my career. And I just remember that Spike Milligan was there and Leslie Crowder and Spike hated me and

36:15Leslie Crowder really liked me. And then of course, we got Leslie for those of you with the listeners. We got Leslie Crowder in to do a very good episode of stuff. We used to get these messages when television was analog. You know, you used to get these things out of your way where experiencing interference. And she's figuring the distance during my routine. And it turns out as it gets closer, it's Leslie Crowder and the announcer says, you know, we're giving interference in some, we're experiencing some interference from Leslie Crowder at the moment. And he was very straight, you know, he crackered, yeah, crackered, yeah. And they're straight entertainer. Oh, that's another thing. I've got, this is a bit weird, but we could offer a surprise, actually a phone one of them away, but I've got Bobby chariot's wig. Anybody wants to enter a competition and his teeth, I've got his teeth or just the maltress, no, I just have the maltress. But if anybody wants to have a lot of

37:20future, win Bobby chariot, that's huge. Shouldn't that go to the Museum of Comedy? I don't know, that's true. Yeah, maybe, maybe. I must have had another one made when I was on tour in Australia. Anyway, if somebody I've got two, I think the better quality one I've thrown away, but the other one. Well, either we'll, yeah, we'll either donate that to the Museum of Comedy or that's mad. But I'll tell you, I think I've got Bobby suit somewhere as well. Maybe we'll auction that off or give that to the Museum of Comedy or University Kent, of course, to see the other place. Good old Oli double my crap. Oli double comedy librarian. Rockhopper. Yes, that's true. I should get rid of Bobby suit. I'm never going to do any of that

38:22again. So I should, yes, I like to give it to the Museum of Comedy or if anybody desperately wants it, they want to make a major donation too. Truck your offers at us. Listeners, if you don't want to talk to us on the Patreon chat room, which only members can do, you can email us AlexiSalePodcast at gmail.com. Simon said, after I read about the arrests of activists at the drone engine factory in Shenzhen Stone, I went back and listened to episode 40 of the AlexaPodcast with AJ from Palestine Action. That was a very good episode. AJ's passionate advocate and I recommend you go back and list episode 40 as well. They are great, great guests. And yeah, since we're just you and me talking, we don't do so much of that. Do we really? I've been people on. Got a couple of good guests lined up. I think I want to get Mick Lynch in on soon. Shall I ask if he's available next week?

39:26We might get Mick Lynch on very soon, listeners. So send us any questions you might have for Mick. Rockhopper, last one says, shout out for Alexi on the Brian McLeod podcast with Ahmed Jalili. I didn't see this. Mention seeing him at the Edinburgh Fringe doing an act consisting of five swear words. Any memories of that? I'm not sure what he's going on about here. No, I don't think I did a podcast with Ahmed Jalili while the last it was years ago. What might have done? Well, it's just, it's that's my, you know, my my character isn't it? I can't ship his way. I can't jump all through. So that I assume is that's what he means. My my poet actor. Dream of consciousness. Yeah, that was my, it's just me. I think no, it was Ahmed Jalili appeared as a guest on the Brian McLeod podcast and gave you a shout out.

40:30He was talking about you. So you're all praises. All right, I did get an email in. Oh my god, this is from Margaret. I'm writing as someone who also had the dubious privilege of growing up with leftist parents and grandparents. And of discovering at an early age that this could have interesting consequences with peers, neighbors, and particularly schoolteachers. I am Arthur Scargill's daughter. So like you, left-wing politics was very much part of my everyday life when I was growing up. Give us a quick reminder of who Arthur Scargill is. Arthur Scargill was a president in the Australian. My work is joined and called the 1984, right? 1984 strike off my work is resulted in them. Getting beaten. My paternal grandfather who lived with us was a card carrying communist

41:31until the day he died. And dad had been a member of the YCL before I was born. Our mutual friend Maxine Peek mentioned your new book to me a few months ago. I've also read and thoroughly enjoyed your other books and enjoy the podcast you do with Talaal. Oh, thanks, Mark. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's more. There's more. All right. It was your reflections about Norman Greenfield and his barnsley tour bus that prompted me to contact. Norman used to call at our house regularly when I was a child and had the appearance of a mild-mannered uncle. Very much at odds with his revolutionary ideas. He was also something of a local minus celebrity known for his feats of strength. He mentored feats of strength. He mentored a young Arthur Scargill in weight training at the gym and gave local displays of his physical prowess, including apparently pulling a bus with his teeth. Looking back, it was a pretty extraordinary childhood. I'm a little younger than you,

42:35but Cold War suspicions were still high. So my family's choice of holiday destinations made us rather open to suspicion. My most memorable communist block trip as a child was a five-week delegation tour of the USSR in the early 1970s. We traveled through the Don Bass region, visited Stalin's Dacher or Dacher. Dacher. What Stalin's Dacher? Dacher. Oh, just country. Yeah, that's very darn good. In the number of days in Leningrad and Moscow, where we saw Lening lying in state at the Mausoleum in Red Square, fucking Elmar, what a life. This visit also saw us spending a week in Pitsondar, the seaside resort where Khrushchev used to holiday. Dad, however, almost drowned in the Black Sea. History perhaps would have taken a very different part. My mother not rescued. Okay, nearly done here. Unlike you, I decided from a very early age

43:37that politics was definitely not for me and ended up following a career in medicine. Well done, Margaret. I remained politically on the left, but get very frustrated by the fact that journalism and inviting. Congrats on the new book. I've thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Not a single question in there, just a lovely story. Sounds like a similar upbringing to yours. Very, yeah. Obviously, I was much more prominent in the media than my father. So, yeah, that's fascinating. Well done for pursuing a career in medicine as well. Yeah. Thank you for your kind comments. It's much appreciated. It's remarkable. I'm kind of interested in perhaps adding a few more of your projects onto the ranking before we sign off on the podcast. Would you be up for that?

44:41All right. Quickly. Quickly. Okay. Do you think this one? We've got 10,000 views on YouTube. You think it's to get rid of them? This podcast? I'll just... If last week didn't, then I don't know. Yeah. It seems you might be immune. Okay, I've got the ranking. Here it is. All right, so far, I'm going to go from number 13, Funboy 3, the music video, the telephone always rings, then the wall cut episode, Lost for Words, comic strip movie, repeater, trans, recent, mog refocation, a low-jong got a new motor at number seven, the music video. Boom, boom, outgo. The lights is at number six. Then the top five are the Lenny Henry Show appearances, whoops, apocalypse, the TV show, celebration, the Alexi sale hour, number two is Gorky Park, and number one is the young ones. Is anything ever going to knock the young ones off the door? Not that possibly. It's been weird they're going through all

45:46I've thrown out loads of stuff, cassette recordings of concerts over the years and VHSs are the young ones and stuff I threw out. I should have all lunch in the radio. It's been a bit weird going through. I know the feeling when you've got stacks of shit and you need to clear it out and it's been building over, you just need you get into a ruthless mindset otherwise you'll never do it, right? And so you might feel a bit bereft now. You might make some regretful choices, yeah, for the best overall. Thank you for saying that. We can't be holding things like that for years. I've had to do it. Boxes of old stuff from my school years and stuff have held on to just sentimentally. I just did Sean Walls, he's podcasted the class clown, he seemed very nice. But he was talking about school days. I said, I got on alright in school. And then

46:51Linda found a report from the fifth year, you know, school report. I can't not do badly. Much worse than I thought really every teacher was like, he once said he puts more effort into being eccentric than he does, you know, studying, which sounded about right. But it was much more. I thought I was like a beach student or something, but most of these are C's, D's and F's. Oh no. Yeah, I'm surprised they let me come back to the sixth one, but then then they didn't, then they told me not to come back. Yeah, I've done much worse than I thought really. Okay, so we had a nice time being Sean Walls, yeah, that was very nice. I don't know when that comes out. Look, they're out. God Alex, he's talking about the book at all, but just talked about comedy really. Well, he's a bit of a comedy nerd, doesn't he? He'd have a lot of things to ask you. So yeah, Alexi fans, Alexi sale fans are spoiled for choice these last couple of weeks of

47:53I know. Alexi's for catching. Don't forget the half of Alexi's activities is right here on the Alexa sell podcast. This is where you get the true Alexi, the laid back casual, barely any energy. All right, the last thing we added to the list was your appearances on the Lenny Henry show from 1984. Also in 1984, you did one episode of something called Give Us A Break. Yes. The picture is four guys and no snooker table. Is this it? Yes, it was a snooker. It was a snooker themed drama comedy drama starring Robert Lindsay. Mel Smith played his manager, I think. Paul McGahn, Sheeran Taylor. Yeah, Paul McGahn, yeah.

48:55And I don't remember, I remember we filmed this snooker haul just off on High Holman. And the director had invented, he had this kind of remote control camera system that's swooped and he's been all day waiting for it to work. I seem to remember. But I was, friendly with Robert Lindsay for a while after that. And Paul McGahn of course drove a Rover P5. I may still drive a Rover, but we both drove Rover P5 B coupes. I'm not sure Mel Smith was in it. There's David Dacca. I was Smith in it. I've elucinated that then. David Sibley. I don't know yet. Only other people are. Give us a break. Give us a break. All right, so what'd you reckon then? Give us a break. Should rank. Let's go in the middle. Okay, do you think it was better or worse than

50:00then boom, boom out, go the lights. Oh, boom, boom, boom, like lights was more important, really. Okay. We just want to often some thing. I don't need to remember what I did or I played or anything. This is important to information. The ranking is your own personal ranking. You can rank it for any reason. So not as important as boom, boom. So what about a low John got on your motor music video? That's important. Yeah. What about transmogrification 1980? Yeah, so let's put it before transmogrification. Above. Yeah. All right, give us a break. 1984 thrilling stuff. That goes in at number eight. Okay. Next up is your two episodes of Doctor Who 1985. Well, they sort of make give me an extra income stream to go into those, you know, once a year doing comic guns or I just did one called Filmfare.

51:07So I put that fairly high up really just because it enables me to make a few Bob over. Yeah. And it's one of the things that people approach you and talk to you about a lot, isn't it? I loved your Doctor Who. Yeah. People are obsessed. More better than whoops apocalypse the TV show? Well, I don't know. The right is of that friend's a mind. So okay. But higher than Lenny Henry show. Yes. Okay. Excellent. No, Lenny. So friend of mine as well. Yeah. But this was I think more iconic for you. Yeah. Doctor Who. All right. We'll just do we'll just do one or two more. I think we should do two more. Because there's a good one coming. Okay. Yeah. Also in 1985 something called arena was this your history of the Ford Cortina. Yeah. Just the four. Cortina. Yeah. That's another iconic Alexi moment. It is. Yeah. In your uvra. Hmm. Your arena episode. Yeah. That's very important. Very seminal. I put that high up. High up. Yeah. Above whoops apocalypse. Yes.

52:13Above celebration the Alexi sale hour. Yes. Below Gorky Park I'm guessing. Yeah. Okay. Or above. I put it above I think. Okay. Below the young ones. Yes. So it comes in at number two. Oh my god. Arena 1985. But me breaking the top five. Any memories are making that? Now. Yeah. Have you ever seen it? Yeah. I remember because we had the scene in it. I'd written this song with chatty isn't it? Your butt. We had a real Ryan. We're loving it. Robin in it. I mean, it was the salesman was came with it. I could remember his name. It's called Mr. Mr. Featherington. Yes. Of course. I said, God, I'm Mr. Featherington. I really, it's really difficult getting in and out of this reliant. And he said, cool, look at the size of you. And he said,

53:15go any small people can drive reliant. I don't know. It's important at the time. Yeah. And his manner is living in denial. I think about the terrible shitty car. Three wheel cars he was selling. Fucking shit car. It's the bean outsmarted every time. Okay. This last one. Okay. By the way, give us a break on IMDB got 7.8 out of 10 stars as it's rating. Doctor who 8.4, of course, 7.7. And this last one we'll do today is also from 1985. It's something called the bride. That's the movie I did with Sting and Jennifer Beale. Correct. She's a feminist reimagining of the bride of Frankenstein. And you play a circus kind of ringleader? Mager. Yes. A cruel circus owner.

54:15Oh, clancy browns in this. Yeah. I love him. He's great. He's very fun. I'm I'm not sure. I'm sure I've told that. Should we do it? Should we save this next time? Let's do. Yeah, because I've got lots of stories about making them the bride. Okay. We picked out another episode. Okay. We could do a bride. Oh, the car of the hell is. Phil Daniels. Yeah. He was fine. Yeah. We've spoken about the bride many times, but I'm sure there's many more stories about it. No, no, no, no, no. I've not heard the fancy brown story. David Rappaport story. Oh, from time bandits. Okay. I'm not adding bride to the list. You spend a week thinking about your bride memories. Alex will come back next week and talk about it. That's been, I think that's time. Yeah, that's really important enough. Listeners, please follow Alexis L. Pod on Instagram. I'm Talaqazam on Instagram. If you want to give me a follow the YouTube channel. Yeah. Follow my other podcast that I'm on. Well, I'm much more energetic

55:22than on this one. Yeah, but always come back home. This is your home. This is Salovia. And consider joining the Patreon. All the links, interesting links are in the description of the podcast. Alexis, say it or any last words. And now just, no, I just think about who wants what from all the treasure I've dug up my storage units. And think about that. Think about. I might come over next week and take a picture. Yeah, come over and you go through whatever's left. I shouldn't know. I mean, you could have a, I think I've thrown them on. That's probably still so. Yeah, you could have a cassette record and never. Okay, I did in Nottingham in 1985. Really wanted to think it might be an escape. On high Holman. I just want to come and document

56:23the stuff so I can post it on Instagram and stuff. You know, let people see it. Let's do that. And yeah, come over next week. All right, then. All right, everybody. Bye, bye. You've been listening to the Alexis L. Podcast. This show is produced and edited by Talaqa Kuti. Music by Talaqa Kuti. Thanks to all the Boom for hosting us. Please keep your emails coming in at Alexis L. Podcast at gmail.com. Goodbye. Music by Talaqa Kuti.

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