10.1 | Who made rogue agents?

0:00Hey, Mary, I've got breaking news. What? What happened? Okay, not that kind of news, but still, I got permission to extend that sticker deadline for procrastinators like me. So here's the deal. You now have through tomorrow, Friday, October 2nd, to get your sticker celebrating 15 years on the air and 100 million downloads for the world and everything in it. So cool. And here's how you do it. From your podcast player, tap your screen for episode notes and the link will be right there. One more tap and you are in. Just tell us who you are and where we should send it. Or you can do it through the browser, visit the world and everything in it.org slash sticker. Go on and don't tell the reporters I extended a deadline. I'll never hear the end of it. You will not. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Good morning. Discussions in the Senate and the White House about the threat of AI to national security. It's time to have a conversation about who bears responsibility.

1:00And small businesses are using tariff refunds to pay new tariffs. Also today, 50 years of the high-demandment blocking taxpayer funded abortion and the challenges that may lay ahead. And later, scientists are trying cloud seating to make it rain. Does it work? If you don't have water in the atmosphere as the phrase goes, you can't get blood from a turtle. And World Commentator David Klauson on Abortion Ballad Initiatives. It's Thursday, October 1st. This is The World and everything in it from listeners supported world radio. I'm Mary Rikard. And I'm Lindsay Mast. Good morning. Time now for the news. Here's Kent Cuffington. President Trump is celebrating the U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq. I'm pleased to announce that the last American forces are leaving Iraq. The Pentagon says the final troops left an air base in her bill on Wednesday.

2:02That was the deadline set in a 2024 deal with Baghdad. The moment comes 23 years after President George W. Bush sent American forces into Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein. Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly, yet our purpose is sure. Trump on Wednesday again called that war a mistake. But the troops leaving now were not fighting it. President Barack Obama pulled all U.S. forces out in 2011. Critics of President Obama's decision, including his own defense secretary Leon Pineda, said the White House did not push hard enough to keep a residual force, and that the withdrawal helped to create a power vacuum that ISIS rose up to fill. In 2014, Obama sent troops back to fight the terror group, and that is the mission ending now. So this day is a victory for the United States. It's a victory for Iraq. And a decisive victory over ISIS, which has been completely decimated, which is the reason we went in there in the first place. But officials in Iraq's Kurdish region,

3:02say losing American air defenses worries them after more than 1,000 drone and missile attacks there during this year's U.S. war with Iran. Terror in the skies over the Middle East, after a pilot apparently tried to hijack a commercial airliner. Why? We need to be there. We need to be there. No, no, no. No, we need to be there. We need to be there. We need to be there. We need to be there. We need to be there. Authorities say passengers aboard a 737 had to leap into action Wednesday after one of the pilots stabbed the other pilot and tried to crash the plane. The flight operated by the airline Fly Dubai had left the United Arab Emirates on its way to Tel Aviv. It was carrying around 170 people mostly Israelis. It's a good flight. It's a very bad situation. In a video heard here, posted to social media during the flight a bloody passenger says they have in his words controlled the terrorists in her now in need of help.

4:05Another crew member on board was ultimately able to land the plane in Saudi Arabia. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he later spoke to one of the passengers who intervened. He told me that the plane went into a spin and began to dive. He told me that against all odds, he managed to break into the cockpit with one of the crew members. And together they neutralized the stabbing pilot while he was trying to sabotage the plane's systems. Netanyahu said Saudi officials arrested the pilot suspected in the attack. He is reportedly an al-Mani national. There was no immediate word on his identity or motivation. Main time British Prime Minister Andy Burnham is pointing to Iran in a suspected plot against an air base used by American bombers. Police arrested five British men in their 20s, Sunday near RAF, Fairford, a royal air force base west of London, US bombers have flown there to strike Iran during this year's war. The men were held on suspicion of explosives and terrorism offenses.

5:06Police say they found gasoline in multiple vans, but no explosives. Burnham told the BBC. There are strong indications that Iran played a part in what happened over the weekend at RAF, Fairford. But of course, it remains an ongoing, complex and serious police investigation. Yeah, the officials are in his words, working closely with our colleagues in the United States. Burnham did not say what links the men to Iran. Britain's counterterrorism police chief says investigators are looking at whether they acted for a foreign state knowingly or not, Iran denies any role. Police released all five on bail Monday without charges, but decision President Trump criticized this week. The Federal Reserve's favorite inflation gauge shows that inflation came in lower than expected in August. World's Benjamin Iker has more. That gauge is known as the PCE index. It tracks how much prices change for the things that Americans buy.

6:07It rose by just three tenths of a percent in August and 3.4 percent year over year beating expectations. Core PCE, which leaves out volatile food and energy prices, rose just two tenths of a percent and that put its annual rate at 3 percent. But that's still above the Federal Reserve's target. The Fed last month raised interest rates for the first time in three years to fight inflation and projected one more hike later this year. Wall Street believes this cooler reading could delay that. The benchmark 10 year treasury yield, which helps drive borrowing costs like mortgage rates climbed to its highest level in more than two decades. For World, I'm Benjamin Iker. Forecasters are warning of flash flooding across Texas today from what's left of a Pacific hurricane. Hurricane Polo slammed into Mexico's Baja California Peninsula Tuesday and crossed the Gulf of California and hit mainland Mexico before falling apart. In Arizona and Utah, rescue crews pulled people

7:07from flood waters and one homeowner sized up the waters surrounding his house. Right now, there's about a foot of water standing right there. And on that side of the house, there's about the same and across the front. There's about eight to 10 inches of water. And Southern New Mexico water poured over the top of an earthen dam on Tuesday near the farm town of Hatch, prompting an evacuation. Now that moisture is moving east and forecasters say several inches could fall from South Texas up through Kansas and Iowa and some spots could see up to a half a foot of rain. I'm Kent Cubbington and still to come. A shield against taxpayer funded abortions has survived for a half century, but will it live on? Plus does cloud seeding actually make it rain? This is the world and everything in it. It's Thursday, the first of October.

8:15This is World Radio. And we're so glad you've joined us today. Good morning. I'm Mary Rykerd and I'm Lindsay Mast. First up on the world and everything in it, AI Accountability. This week, top artificial intelligence experts told the White House and the Senate about safety concerns around the technology. Missouri Republican Senator Josh Holley led a Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs subcommittee hearing yesterday. It's time to have a conversation about who bears responsibility. That came a day after top AI executives held their own conversation with President Trump. When he said reflects a willingness to cooperate on safety andthropic CEO Dariel Omade. Look, I mean, I will say what I've always said, which is that AI has incredible benefits. But I think the technology has very real risks. And the mechanism how we address those risks is still under discussion. Those risks include rogue AI agents. Expert witnesses warned that AI models are increasingly

9:16cheating to accomplish tasks, things like hacking a system to get the answer they need and then trying to cover it up. The capabilities of these AI models are rapidly outpacing our ability to make them safe. And the tools to catch them are getting weaker. Marius Hobhan is the CEO of Apollo Research and AI Safety Research Organization. He says earlier testing may have prevented the hacking incident known as hugging face. The current testing regime itself is insufficient. Independent safety valuations of Frontier AI models typically happen in the weeks leading up to a model's public release. However, almost all recent incidents were caused by models at a much earlier point in their development. He thinks the government should require AI companies to get their models tested by independent third parties and keep records of what he calls a model's chain of thought. But Georgetown University law professor Paul Ohm says the government should change AI companies' incentives. Start with state tort law. When AI companies lose control of their AI agents,

10:18their victims can sue them for negligence and products liability. He thinks even the term rogue agents shifts responsibility from the human who created it to an inanimate object. Because open AI's agents were bits of code lacking human intent, although they committed quintessentially criminal acts of computer hacking, they leave us without a criminal to charge. And while we must reserve a role for the criminal law in our response, the criminal law can be a blunt instrument. So we must act here with care. Some senators in the hearing call to mind recent lawsuits that have forced social media companies to implement safeguards for children, even without new legislation. Senator Holly is called for AI companies to be held liable for damage caused by their agents. As soon as the AI executives say, we've got a real problem here. Our product is out of control. The very next words out of their mouths are, but we're not responsible for it. He also wants penalties for individuals who use AI to cause harm, but says the groundwork has been laid for holding companies liable.

11:19I propose using the computer fraud and abuse acts already on the books. We can just update it to say that for developers, that's the companies. If you develop these agents and train them in a reckless fashion and they go on to hack or crash or destroy stuff, you're liable. Other panel experts want more specific regulation, but Holly expressed doubts about the ability of Congress to keep up with changes. One panelist testified that next year tech companies are projected to spend more on AI infrastructure than the entire US defense budget. A year later, the AI companies would be pulling in a trillion with a T dollars of annual revenue. AI companies say they need the freedom to move fast to stay ahead of China, but New Jersey Democrat Senator Andy Kim thinks safety and innovation can coexist. When our job here is to make sure that we can have both happened. And he says the industry needs regulation now. We should not allow the questions about our innovation lead to stop us from engaging in this.

12:21Well, we can't, yes, we can have our concerns about China, but that is not an excuse not to act when it comes to the security of American people. Senator Holly praised the leaders who met at the White House and committed to strengthening internal safety controls and inviting external audits. I think that it's good to have number one, the company's acknowledged that they have some responsibility here. But he told World there is more to do. Congress should do something. And we ought to start by just saying, let's make the American legal system work the way it works for everybody else. If you make a product that blows people up, you're going to have to pay for that. That action will have to wait as the Senate wraps up today until after the November midterms. Coming up next on the world and everything in it, ready for refunds. Last year, President Trump imposed sweeping tariffs on imports ranging from 10% to more than 100% on some Chinese goods. In February, the Supreme Court struck down many of those tariffs

13:21and mandated refunds for businesses that paid them. But some businesses say getting that money back will not cover the full cost of the disruption. World's Lauren Smith has the story. Lisa McDonald knows T, one taste, and she can tell you where the leaves were grown, the weather during the growing season and the method of preparation. You smell that, it's a smoky tea. It tastes like without having to smoke things or barbecue or anything. It's good. McDonald opened T House in Ann Arbor, Michigan nearly 20 years ago. She offers more than 200 varieties, sourced primarily from India, China, and Japan. Business has been booming since the start, but things changed after Trump imposed sweeping tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act or AYIPA. Last year, she ordered a typical $30,000 shipment. A month later, she got a surprise tariff bill for $20,000. And it says you must pay this within 48 hours. The goal of AYIPA was to protect US jobs,

14:24but McDonald points out that most T isn't grown in America anyway, so there are a few American workers to protect, and the tariff policies can be confusing. For example, Lucille T that arrives in Tins incurs tariffs for both T and Tins. But I mean, if they wanted to, they could have done the Tins at 70. Because if it had been Russian source metal, that's being, well, no, actually they changed that. Two weeks ago, it had been Russian source metal. It would have been tariffed at 70%. I'm not sure what it would have been tariff today, so. The Supreme Court struck down the AYIPA tariffs in February. McDonald applied for a refund several months ago, but hasn't heard back. I know eventually I'll get it because we're legally due that money, but it will just be filtered back in to help offset the costs of the new tariffs and the increasing shipping. The court's decision lowered the average US tariff rate by more than 70%.

15:25But other tariffs remain in place, and business owners, like McDonald, find the policies can be unclear, and enforcement irregular. New shipment problems have also emerged. She ordered a shipment of matcha in May that just arrived last Friday. It left Japan in that time. The custom code changed for green tea, and also the tin that the tea was in. So the tea hit the US soil, and it took three months for me to actually get it released, because it was sent to three different customs locations, because no one knew what customs code to use. Even with lowered tariffs, McDonald's costs are still higher than before, but raising prices has its challenges too. It's not as simple as just raising prices 10%. We have to, we custom make our labels. We custom make our stickers. We custom make, so the time and effort it takes to raise those prices 10%. Probably costs me more than the 10% that I would make up in raising my prices. Studies estimate that about 20% of the tariff burden gets

16:27passed along to consumers through higher costs and smaller supply. Coupled with inflation, many people have cut spending on luxury goods like loose leaf tea. I'm just very lucky that my customer base has supported me, and I do believe that moving forward, I will probably have to raise my prices. A survey from the Atlanta Fed found that most businesses plan to hold on to the tariff refunds as cash. McDonald plans to use hers for future tariff bills, though she won't know how much she'll owe until it comes in the mail. I mean, you just assume at least a 15% blanket, and then hope that they don't open every single bag. For McDonald, tea house is about community, not costs. Her son's proprietary brew is still on the menu from when he was a child. She offers free meals to those in need, and she takes pride in brewing a delicious cup. And then you put a little more water because you want that water to go. So you have a tea is touching, but the water's not. Still, the cost calculations of operating a small import

17:28business have changed. The tariff's were more, it's like that hit in your stomach, kind of feeling, and I hadn't had that since COVID. The final round of tariff refunds will be processed in early October. Revenue from the illegal tariffs totaled about $168 billion, spread across more than 330,000 importers. McDonald is waiting for her $50,000. For World, I'm Lauren Smith in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The final round of tariff refunds will be processed in early October. Additional support comes from DORT University, providing student musicians with opportunities to discover, develop, and share the gift of music and bring glory to God. From Barnabas Aid, providing support for the suffering and persecuted church, aid from Christians through Christians to Christians, Barnabas Aid.org.

18:29And from Asbury University, where students grow in Christ, prepare for careers, and build lifelong connections in Kentucky or online, asbury.edu. Up next, a pro-life policy turns 50. It's called the High Amendment. For half a century, Congress has renewed it through annual spending bills, restricting federal funding for abortion. Pro-life lawmakers counted among their most important measures ever passed. But while it once had bipartisan support, World's Harrison Waters reports it now has almost none among Democrats. In 1976, Illinois Congressman Henry Hyde argued taxpayers should not be forced to pay for abortion. Many lawmakers on both sides of the aisle saw it the same way, so the so-called High Amendment was born. It bars government agencies and programs like Medicaid from pain to end life in the womb. When New Jersey Congressman Chris Smith came to the Capitol five years later,

19:30Henry Hyde gave him a challenge. He spoke to incoming classes is that if you don't stand up for your core values, you don't know what your core values are, you're gonna do great damage in the Congress. One of Hyde's core values was defending life in the womb. Matthew 25, whatever you do to the least of these, you do likewise to me, he saw in the unborn child the least of these. While the High Amendment initially had wide bipartisan support, it faced four years of legal battles and ended up before the Supreme Court. Attorney Ronda Copeland argued it hindered Medicaid coverage. But for the High Amendment, it would cover abortion as a mandatory, medically necessary service. 1980 saw a record abortion rate of one for every three live births. That changed dramatically after Supreme Court justices voted five to four to uphold the amendment. Between 1980 and 2017, we could be abortion rate half of this country. Michael New is a PhD researcher with the Charlotte Lose Year Institute. He says the policy helps save tens of thousands

20:31of unborn children each year and the institute estimates it has saved as many as 2.6 million lives since 1980. But the High Amendment isn't permanent law. Congress has to renew it every year in its spending bills and every year the fight starts over. Congress and Smith, it is under attack every year for 50 years. In 1993, Democrat President Bill Clinton promised abortion would be safe, legal, and rare. Congressman Hyde pushed back. Well, you can make it legal, I guess. You can't make it safe for the unborn. It's terminal for the unborn. And rare, not if you subsidize it, you're going to get a million more abortions. Democrats also tried changing the amendment to give women an exception if they face to health risk. If you're emotionally distraught, your health is affected. And therefore, it is no restriction whatsoever. It is the one loophole that permits abortion on demand once the health factor is entered into the legislation.

21:31Hyde and pro-life colleagues successfully defended the policy, even while other rules like a ban on fetal tissue research fell away. But the bipartisan support dwindled. We had at least 80 pro-life Democrats in the House. When I elected in 1980, unfortunately, we're down to none. In 2019, then Senator Jill Biden changed his position on Hyde to run for president. If I believe health care is the right as I do, I can no longer support an amendment that makes that right, dependent on someone's iftar. Smith says the Biden administration came close to ending the Hyde amendment. And it was only the filibuster that saved this over on the Senate side, because the appropriations bills would not move forward unless these pro-life prohibitions were included in the bill. The Hyde amendment survived, but it only covers federal money. So some states now pay for abortion out of their own tax dollars. Here's researcher Michael New. In the past 10 years, seven state Medicaid programs

22:31have started to cover abortion. Today, about 20 states pay for abortions with their own tax money, tens of millions of dollars a year. Henry Hyde died in office in 2007, 15 years before Roe v. Wade was overturned. About half of the states now protect the unborn early impregnancy, while others have loosened restrictions up to the moment of birth. Congressman Smith is now one of the longest serving members of Congress, and he spent years trying to make the Hyde amendment permanent. It has passed the house four times. Always dies of the Senate, sadly. Smith warns that Hyde is only one spending bill away from disappearing. And if it does, taxpayers could end up paying for millions more abortions. Reporting for world, I'm Harrison Waters. In Washington. Make Brazil great again. Nope. Not Donald Trump.

23:32This is a 59-year-old helicopter pilot running for Congress in Brazil as Plenio Trump. He's got the hair, the long tie, American flags flying from his car, the whole package. The fact that he's sozia do Trump. He says most people he meets smile and hug him. Plenio Trump comes from a long tradition of novelty candidates in Brazil. This year's ballot includes Barack Obama, Mick Jagger, tsunami grandmother, and samurai taxi driver. You know, some politicians spend years building name ID. In Brazil, you can just borrow it. It's the world and everything in it. Today is Thursday, October 1st. Thank you for turning the world radio to help start your day. Good morning. I'm Lindsay Masst. And I'm Mary Rykard. Coming next on the world and everything in it,

24:34cloud seating. For decades, researchers have been conducting science in the sky as they try to make it rain or snow in dry landscapes. But these programs are often shrouded in mystery. And there are plenty of misconceptions about what cloud seating actually is. World's Emma Eiker has the story. What does it take to make it rain? Long ago, ancient cultures thought they knew how. Native American tribes had rain dances. I'm a man who does, I'm a man who does. And in Bulgaria, young girls dance through villages dressed in leaves and flowers as they sang and called for rain. But nowadays, it's an aggressively scientific process designed to increase the amount of precipitation in a region. It all started back in the 1940s. It was developed by some folks at General Electric Company. And they kind of stumbled upon this by accident, this process of cloud seating.

25:35Nick Banish runs the cloud seating program at the State Department of Water Resources in Idaho. Eight other states have a similar program. Banish says it really took off in the 60s. But there are lots of misconceptions about what it actually is. The idea that we are creating chemtrails in the sky or these white features that you see trailing behind planes that fly over. Others misunderstand the process. And they also tend to believe that we're doing this to increase the cloudiness of every day's situation. It's not something you would see from your window. It is only occurring during the winter time in the dead of night. It is occurring over these high elevation mountain basins within storms. So these planes are flying in and out of these storm systems. So how does it work? When a cloud forms, pilots take to the sky in prop planes.

26:35They're equipped with canisters of silver iodide. That's the seating material. And these flex of silver iodide serve as ice nuclei, forcing moisture from a cloud to sort of glom onto them and freeze onto them. And those particles ultimately grow in size and in mass. And hopefully, we'll fall a snow. Southern Idaho is known for its potatoes and semi-arid landscape. Banish says the cloud seating program supplies much needed water to farmers. We're targeting these high mountain elevations that ultimately feed into the great rivers of the state that supply the water to irrigators and farmers and ranchers so that they can cultivate crops. It's the lifeblood of the gem state. Banish says the program allows the department of water resources to work on solutions to a growing problem. We're facing a moment in time here in the West and in Idaho that requires thinking outside the box to help solve water availability issues.

27:36While also practicing due diligence and environmental stewardship. But cloud seating is controversial. Banish says they have yet to find a way to measure its effectiveness and other scientists doubt whether these programs can claim success. David Legate's founder of the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation is one of them. According to the World Neological Organization, essentially the answer is it doesn't really work. He says there are several reasons why. First, if you don't have water in the atmosphere as the phrase goes, you can't get blood from a turn up. And natural drought conditions hamper the process. What we really need for a thunderstorm is continuous rising motion. The conventional wisdom is the best you can do is to make a cloud dissipate, but you can't bring yourself out of a drought. There are also environmental concerns. It doesn't release a large amounts of silver iodide into the water and soil, so it's not considered inherently a catastrophic, environmental pollutant,

28:36but I wouldn't call it completely harmless. I mean, environmentalists probably would be very concerned with it if we were doing it on a large scale and a lot of the time. Then there's the issue of water rights. It became a big deal in the late 70s. It's a state's rights issue between states which state has the right to do cloud seating if it affects potentially another state. In 1977, Washington State experienced a severe drought and ordered emergency cloud seating in the Cascade Mountains. Idaho also had a drought, and they argued that Washington was actually draining water from the clouds before they reached Idaho territory. The dispute never made it to court, but it begged an important question. Who actually owns the water in the sky? Here's Banish again. In terms of water that falls out of the sky here that is due to cloud seating, it's managed like any other water here in the state, and that is under the prior appropriation doctrine. So that basically states first in time, first in right.

29:39The older your water right, the more senior priority you have to access water. So Idaho legislators are trying to increase transparency around what cloud seating actually is and how it works, mainly through information on state websites. Banish maintains this kind of science is needed as states find ways to deal with dry weather. The application of science and engineering to solve water scarcity problems is going to become even more common and important. Still, cloud seating remains a debated topic, as critics point out that it will take significant results to clear up the skepticism. Reporting for World, I'm Emma Eiger. Good morning. This is The World and everything in it from listeners supported World Radio.

30:39I'm Mary Rackard and I'm Lindsey Mast. Below the surface of a crucial midterm election are abortion-related measures on ballots in four states. The outcome could reshape state policy for years to come. World opinions contributor David Clauson read the fine print. The overturning of Roe vs. Wade in the Supreme Court's DOB decision returned abortion policy largely to the states. And since then, voters in at least a dozen states have approved pro-abortion measures. This fall, four more consequential votes will take place in Idaho, Missouri, Nevada, and Virginia. In Idaho, Proposition 1 would make abortion until fetal viability a state protected right. Current law generally prohibits abortion with an exception to save the life of the mother and first trimester exceptions exist for reported rape or incest. But Proposition 1 would dramatically change the legal landscape.

31:43Current Idaho law protects a child who can potentially survive outside the womb, even with medical help. Prop 1 would apply a different test entirely using a two-tiered standard. Protection would be given only to those unborn children with one a significant likelihood of sustained survival and two without extraordinary medical measures. Those words matter. They could determine which unborn child receives legal protection and which does not. The Proposition also says its provisions take precedence over conflicting sections of Idaho law. Pro-abortion supporters dispute this, but pro-life attorneys argue that Prop 1 could put existing safeguards at risk, including parental consent and physician-only requirements. Missouri is different. Two years ago, voters narrowly approved a constitutional right

32:46to reproductive freedom, including abortion through fetal viability. This November, voters will decide whether to repeal it. The new amendment would generally prohibit abortion with exceptions for medical emergencies, fetal anomalies, rape and incest. It would also require parental consent for minors. In other words, Missouri voters are being asked whether to keep the abortion right they added to their constitution just two years ago, or reverse course, and go in a more pro-life direction. Voters in Nevada face questions six for a second time. The state requires constitutional amendments proposed by initiative to pass in two consecutive general elections. If approved, questions six would create an abortion right up to viability. But the meaning of viability is determined by the treating healthcare practitioner in many cases the abortionist.

33:48After viability, abortion would remain protected in cases where the life or health of the pregnant mother is deemed at risk. That largely squares with current law. But unlike ordinary legislation, this would place abortion rights in Nevada's constitution, making future changes significantly more difficult. Finally, Virginia voters will decide whether to add a fundamental right to reproductive freedom to the state constitution. The amendment would permit regulation in the third trimester, but that comes with a crucial asterisk. If one physician judges an abortion medically needed to protect the woman's life or physical or mental health, that judgment prevails. Current Virginia law is much more specific. The physician and two consulting physicians must certify

34:49that continuing the pregnancy is likely to result in death or substantially and irremediably impair the woman's mental or physical health. The difference is significant. The proposed amendment would replace that three physician standard with the judgment of a single physician and enshrine the underlying right in Virginia's constitution. By no means did the Supreme Court and DOBS end the abortion debate? It relocated it to the states. And increasingly, the battle is not simply over individual abortion laws. It is over whether abortion rights will be written in to state constitutions where they can shape or override future legislation for years to come. That is why words like viability, health, fundamental right, and fetal anomalies matter. They may sound technical, they aren't.

35:52They determine when the law protects an unborn child and when it does not. Behind the legal language are questions of life and death. In this November, voters in four states will answer them. For World, I'm David Clawson. Tomorrow, Katie McCoy will be here for Culture Friday and a new documentary film investigates the nuances of AI. We'll have a review. That and more tomorrow, I'm Lindsay Masth. And I'm Mary Rankard. This is episode 3499 of The World and Everything in it from World Radio, celebrating 15 years. World's mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates, and inspires. The Bible says for it was indeed fitting that we should have a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily,

36:56first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. For the law appoints men in the weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a son who has been made perfect forever, versus 26 through 28 of Hebrews 7. Go now in grace and peace.