Hour 3: Opening Day & Love to Giants?

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1:01the firsts of the season. Tonight Yankees Giants in San Francisco, it is on Netflix and only on Netflix. So yes, all of us old guys can get pissed off that we're stuck on one app and can't navigate around to watch other things. But they are having, you know, it's always like who's throwing out the first pitch. As we know, it'll be thing from Wednesday or Wednesday, as you said, Wednesday, of course, Adam's family vehicle that is on Netflix and that is very popular. Huge. The kids love it. They love Wednesdays. And we saw a video hum day, something called it hum day of thing on a, but a skateboard or something. Yeah, it's just, so it's, I don't know how it's going to do the throwing at the first pitch thing. It's not a human being. It's literally a thing. No one's really impressed. But done, there is something that it could do. Yes, that would impress all of them. Now, if you watch it because it's on social media, it's on a skateboard and it's on the infield and it's moving

2:03it's, you know, thumbs up. It's moving number one. I want to see it give the finger. I was waiting for it to give the finger. And what it looks like to me because it's on a skateboard, I guess it's going to roll to the catcher. I, I, I don't know. It better paint the black at 90. That's all I'm saying. It's not going to paint the black. You know what? It still might be a strike. And then we'll have to tap our head and get the first. No, he has to tap his head. No, thing has to tap his, not the catcher. No, thing has to. I don't know how he's going to do it. I don't know what is happening. Hey, it's five fingers. He can figure it out. Give the finger. Why don't you write right there? Show me something. For all you that hate that I'll do with this, for all of you that think this is totally corporate here. Right there. What do you think of that? I know you got to make money, right? And, and all everybody's going to the apps. And, and the list of Netflix is the one that Netflix is like the TBS of old cable. Like no matter, no matter how you downgraded

3:06your cable, like the basic, basic, basic cable, you got TBS. Everybody's got Netflix, right? I mean, everybody's got it. So it's not even the inconvenience or the issue with it being on an app tonight. Because hey, if you wanted to have the opening day ID I had where everybody's playing, you know, put it all on Netflix. You know, I just want to see everybody playing on what there to be a traditional opening day. Now I realize we always had that Sunday night game on ESPN that was the standalone game. But during the week and then some are going to play tomorrow, not everybody. And then some will have their opening day on Friday. I don't know. It just, it's a shame. It really is. But I'm sure it made him a ton of money. Yeah, I'm sure this Wednesday thing is, is a big partnership. I wouldn't be surprised if Judge Place Lurch in one of the episodes this season or something. They'll have some sort of a crossover dude. Well, I wonder if this will be in an episode, right? They'll use

4:08they'll use some, you know, a video from it because it's there. It's their production. And they'll put it into an episode. So there's all the crossover that we all know these you got to do it. We all have to, you know, what ourselves sometime do it. Sorry, and get attention. But, but an opening day, you got very little left. Baseball has completely detached itself from being the, the, the, the true sport of this country, right? It was supposed to be our national past. Now it's become our national past the time while we wait for football. Yeah, that's great. And it's great way to put it. And it shouldn't, and one of the ways that it's different than other sports is it has a traditional opening day. Just like my son, when, when he has his opening day in a couple of weeks, there's going to be a parade. Yes. And there's going to be the bunting on the fences. And everybody's going to play and you make it a moment. It's, it's, it's Americana. It's special. Everybody

5:08else could afford to be corporate because as much as I love hockey and you love basketball and we all love football, there is a connection to this country and baseball. And it fades by the year and it's changed to be the most affordable of the sports to go see. That's now over. It was the one, it was the one sport that actually had over the air instead of it being on cable. That's now changed. And there's been a disconnect. The one thing baseball had over everybody, the sense of Americana, the sense of history. And you, you think back to that speech that James Earl Jones gives, right, where he talks about that the blackboard, it's, it's erased and then built again, but the one constant is baseball. Remember, he gives that whole speech in, in, in, and that's all, it's, it's over. It just feels like it's over. That I love it and I'm passionate about it. But over time, it just, it's, it's really lost the one little unique thing that it had over all the other sports, that connection

6:12to the history. And I'm not sensing that anymore. Yeah. It's, it's not what you want. Um, well, we'll, we'll get more into the baseball. We're going to talk to you guys too. 1-109-1-9-3-7-7-6. Does this feel like opening dates you at all? Like, are you annoyed that tonight's game is a Netflix vehicle where thing from Adam's family is throwing out the opening picture. Maybe you don't give a damn. And maybe it's kind of the people like us complain about people in the business are kind of annoyed with, but actual fans all go, whatever, I have Netflix. I'm watching the game. It doesn't matter to me. I just think it's, it's a, my main thing is I just don't feel the whole country will be locked in because it's one random baseball game. I mean, if I'm not a Yankee fan on a Giants fan, I'm probably a lot more app to want to watch basketball tonight. Um, as I'm sitting here on a, you know, relatively cruel New York day, Don, I'd rather watch Celtics Thunder than a, than a Giants Yankee game. No, no, I'd rather watch Yankees Giants. No, you would, because you're Yankee fan, but that's that, that's on a national event, though, is my point. Yeah. That's a local event

7:13for you as a fan. You know, it's weird too about it is that if it was the Dodgers, you probably can make the big argument of, this is a team of the century type thing. They're trying to go for three in a row and it's a rivalry. Let them start the season, putting the Yankees here as a team that's kind of, Oh, you meant Dodgers Giants. I make these Dodgers. You make Yankees Dodgers. Yeah, or Dodgers Giants. I would have done either either one would be better than this either. I don't know what Yankees Giants does for anyone nationally, but I do think Dodgers, either Dodgers Giants, which I don't think you'll waste in an opening day Dodgers Yankees, you probably aren't wasting that on opening day, but Dodgers something Dodgers Red Sox like you could Yankees are a national team. Yeah, they'll get a decent because there are people around the country that are Yankee fans and there's people that hate the Yankees that'll hate watch. Giants not so much a national team. It's a unique matchup, right? It's not something you see every day. Yankees are very rarely in San Francisco. I mean, now that'll change now with the new schedule where every other year they'll be there, but I remember what a big deal it was, Alan, you'll remember when

8:18Barry Ponds played the Yankees stadium. That was so crazy 20 years ago, right? Because he never did. Oh, yeah. He hit a bomb down the first-based line way into the upper deck. Well, that probably exists for Giants fans to see Aaron Judge to some degree, fun to see the biggest start of the game back home. There's a lot of different thing. Listen, I don't want to completely eviscerate it. It's not a bad idea. It's not a bad first game. And again, it'll get at least a rating. I'm just saying that opening day was as close to a sports national holiday as we had. And now it's gone. But it's been, and again, it's a big clear. It's been gone. It's just the more it's been gone, the more we just keep saying, this just isn't hidden right. Like is it, but it's not as it's show, but it's also the fact that not everybody's playing tomorrow either. Like, maybe I feel differently about it if everybody was playing tomorrow because that's usually how it went. You'd get Yankee's red socks on a Sunday night in an ESPN. And then either, and then that Monday, it would be opening

9:24day and everybody would play. And then it would feel like, oh, well, that's opening day. Or there'd be a year where there'd be that stupid series in Japan when there's actual exhibition games going on, spring training games are going on. But a meaningful like A's Mariner's game will be played in Tokyo or a series now would count. But people just ignored that. And then they just went about their regular opening day stuff. But, you know, there's going to be, I looked at it. I don't I don't remember who. There's going to be a bunch of teams that are after we feel Friday. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. This sport. And we talk about it because I do think it's something that, you know, again, the more it's talked about, the more at least you would hope it gets to the ears of people, it may be baseball, who might say, hey, you know, we've been doing this for a while. And maybe we should go back to the idea of the grand season opening day, opening day. And then the next night, if you want to do a standalone fine, but opening day is something, there's something special about it, or at least it used to be. And maybe it's something that

10:28baseball should consider going forward. That's almost. But unfortunately, baseball doesn't have a lot of things that are marketable to get these apps to want to pay big, right? So Netflix isn't going to pay. They want the exclusivity of having the first game. First game for them. Yeah, they don't want to have to pay for, you know, a game on a Saturday or a Sunday, you know, because that's something they want to offer. Getting the big time teams, like now the meds are going to be on peacockney. Yankees are going to be on Netflix because there's only a handful of teams that these apps are going to want to pay for to have the exclusivity for the big, the big audience. And it happens too. Listen, how many time, how many, how many range of games end up on ESPM plus or end up on ABC or end up on TNT taken away from the regionals because the Rangers even, even a bad season, there's a little team that gets a number because only a handful of teams do that in the NHL. And one thing I was wondering too, as we're talking about this and we earlier

11:29talked about how again, a Yankee fan doesn't get to hear Michael K and the yes, you know, broadcast, the home broadcasts. You don't get to hear that. You know, the meds aren't, the meds fans aren't going to hear Gary Keith and Ron for the first game of the season. But if you look at where regional sports networks, even though they thrive in the major markets, especially here in New York, everywhere else, the regional sports network thing is almost like, do they have their home announcer still, even with so many of them being swallowed up by the league? Like, what is that? I don't know how it works. So I don't know if there still is that hometown call feel on the TV side. If these networks are going to be run by Major League Baseball. Again, it's just a guess. I think they still have the announcers. It's just it's being run by Major League Baseball. So production is their emerging, emerging money. It's, yeah, it's really, it's really out of, and it's more and more and more of them every single year. These regional networks going out. But that just shows you how, how important opening day is because like,

12:31med fans are freaking out. Yankee fans are freaking out. They're not getting their guys on opening day. They're still going to get them for 135 times during the year. But opening day special, right? They'll get, they'll get Gary Keith and Ron, you know, the next time, the next game that they play, because what are they going to, they're playing, so they'll play Saturday because they'll take the day off on Friday. Yeah. But opening day is different, right? Like, just acknowledge the opening day is special. Yes. Right. That's what we wish. Maybe going forward. That's all we're saying. We know it's been a while. So, so MLB local media has taken over broadcasting for at least 15 teams, especially this is after the whole Fandall Sports Network thing. The Valley Sports Diamond thing. Collapsed. The league produces the games. It largely retains the existing familiar team employed announcers and production crews rather than completely replacing them. So there, it's essentially what are they doing? They're paying for the truck.

13:32Right? Is that basically what it is? I guess so. It feels like and so you still get the continuity of your announcers and those who know your team. So, okay. So yeah, regardless, you're still getting the home announcers. But in New York, big market, LA, Chicago, some of the bigger markets, Boston, you still have that feel of our network, our announcers. And yet because they're big markets early in the season, the nationals are going to take as many as they can and take them away from that. So you're it's going to take a while before you can settle into your season with your broadcasters. Now, we've cheesed it. We got to say it. The New York Jets are having themselves a private workout. I know you're excited, Don. For none other than the aforementioned over the last couple of days, Dan Orlovsky's favorite quarterback, Ty Simpson. Yes. So a private workout is happening. Does this do anything for you? Do diligence. I mean, but why wouldn't they? Right? Yeah. They're hoping he's going to be there at 16. I doubt very seriously that they would take him at two. But you never know what kind of

14:39momentum is going to get created here between now and the draft. But I always felt that that was somewhat overrated, Peter, because I think teams that don't need quarterbacks will take a look at guys, right? You always, like Alan said, you want to do your diligence. You want to know everything there is to know about every possible player that could be selected. So I would be surprised if the Jets didn't have a private workout for him, right? That's what I mean. I think the due diligence has to be done. And I think if you're moody, it's not just him. It's it's several. It's not smire and it was it all the different quarterbacks that are going to be available back. Like I think you're going to sit down with all of them, because that's what you're supposed to do when you're a franchise that doesn't have a future quarterback. By the way, we like draft Kings or no. I can't remember. I like Fandall. You like Fandall. That's what I thought draft Kings is is the standard on ESPN. Okay, that's got it. Sure. So so draft Kings is has the odds for who will take Simpson. Okay.

15:45And who would you expect to be tied for the shortest odds? Tied for the shortest odds. Yeah. That's an interesting question. Wow, because yeah, that is sort of. I don't think the Rams would take them. The Rams are the third team. Okay. They're plus 400. All right. Who's drafting around the jets that needs a quarterback? Is it jets and dolphins? Jets is right. Plus 140 dolphins. Not correct. I'm going to guess Cleveland. Cleveland is fourth. That's plus 650. You have to stop while you know. It's a very interesting and surprising. Eighth at plus 1500. It shouldn't be surprised. I was not surprised. No, it should be expected. Well, then who are we just forgetting that's bad because the bad end needs a quarterback? Yeah, because the, um, where did Atlanta land?

16:54Not that Atlanta is way down. Yeah, there was 4,000. In fact, they're, they're tied with the cowboys, which you wouldn't know where they land with their quarterback situation. No, I forget. Atlanta. Yeah. To what? And remember, they brought in still have panics who has no knees. Right. Yeah. So they're dead in the river. Oh, I'm sorry. Is it? What? I was just trying to gas. I was good. But then I said, nah, I was thinking saints, but I'm like, no, they like a shock. Yeah, that's where they're like shock. Not myself. Yeah, it's shock, right? Yeah, shock. No, you're right. Yeah. Oh, it's not. It's not. It's not low. It's low. Yeah. This team, by the way, is picking third. So who's picking third? And I'm trying to see if they have a leader pick. Arizona. Arizona. Yeah. Yeah. That's who Yates said was going to trade up in the back end of the first round for in his latest mock. Okay. So then that's probably the thinking is that they'll, they'll trade. They'll do a giant. They'll do it. They'll do a dart. They'll get their guy at high pick

17:56and then trade back into the bottom of the first round and get a guy with a. That's a card. It starts to build, man. Oh, you can, you can feel it. He could become the next Baker Mayfield. And there's another, by the way, we had a caller a couple of days ago. Remember the Jeremiah love running back call we got. Yeah. And my thinking was, well, you know, they have a pretty good running back room. The giants now. They do. They have a pretty good running back room. You know, I don't know if you would use the pick. There's a lot of momentum about what love can be for the giants. And of course, you know, thinking Harbaugh, line of scrimmage kind of guy, right? You know, again, don't run the ball. I know you're going to hate this done. But with the fifth pick, he is considered somebody that is a, you know, that kind of generational running back talent, plug and play immediately. Impact is different levels of what he can do. Not only run, but catch. And what he can do for for for Jackson Dart,

18:56there's a lot of momentum about the giants and Jeremiah love. And I'm sure you'd love to get a running back head. No one attended two things. Yeah. That all of a sudden happened after what scataboo said about CTE. No. All right. Then there is. But I'm going to surprise you with this. I'm all for them taking your running back if they're going to pay them. Because my whole thing is always been don't draft somebody high if you don't intend to pay them. So if he ends up being a great running back and now you get two of the fifth year option and you're hemming and hawn and you're not sure what you're going to do because you don't want to pay a running back a ton of money. Because you're going to have to eventually pay your quarter back and you're going to have to pay your defense of what. But then why did you do it? If you love him so much and you believe that he's that much of a game changer, then when his contract is up, you pay him. That was the problem with Barclays. Like now, now you don't want to pay him. Now you're trying to figure out a way

19:57to get out. Remember, it changed, right? You different GM, different coach, different offense, different mindset. Harbaugh, this guy fits everything that Harbaugh is all about. Now you're right because they obviously drive the winning the game at the line of scrimmage physical football. This is everything that that this guy would bring with scat. Now keep in mind, too, it's with scataboo. Because we know scataboo is the angry runner. That's what he is. So it's you talk about a physical runner. Scataboo does that, but you know, as a number one scataboo is just not going to forget, might not make it out of a season the way he runs. Now, the gentleman drafted him and it was Shane that had to decide whether to keep Barclay or not. Now with gentlemen stayed, but I also think that the figuring was we're going to get Barclay and we're going to win a Super Bowl again with Eli and it's not going to matter. You know, they didn't. They got worse and then they got into the situation that they were in. Shane didn't want to pay her running back because you don't pay running backs. But if the giants are committed to pay the running back that I'm all for it. I am not against running backs and safety is being drafted high.

21:01If the intention is to pay him, same thing happened with your model out of us with jets. All right, he's a generational talent. They don't want to pay him. So they ended up having a trade. I mean, they ended up making a very good trade. Seattle thought they were going to win the Super Bowl that year and made the trade. So the jets were able to get out from under. So that's all I'm saying, guys, is that if Shane and Harbaugh are going to draft a running back and pay him, then I guess it's okay. But if we end up having the same thing that we had with Barclay, where it's right, I don't know if we should pay him. I just think we're in a different place. We're going to franchise it. You're not wrong. And that's generally the always been the the consternation about taking a running back this high is always that concern about, well, in three years, we're going to have to make a decision. And so we need to know by then, the last time around, as you said, as you said, done, it was a previous regime that took Barclay. It failed. And a new regime came in. John Harbaugh is not going anywhere. So we already know. And you know, there's a lot of people, including, of course,

22:03Mel Kuiper, who believes strongly that a guy like John Harbaugh is not letting him go by at five. So if he's there, it just feels like a fit. I hope, I hope, you know, three, four years from now, that he's, you know, 12, 1300 yards and 10 touchdowns of science or winning that they're going to pay him. I think there's an amazing stat that I heard about him that I believe, I think this is, I'm just double check, because I heard it this morning when they were talking about it. Yeah, Jeremiah loved played three college football seasons at Notre Dame. He had almost 500, like, total touches of the football. How many fumbles do you think he had? Well, the way you're saying 21 touchdowns to or none, but, you know, logic tells you that with that many touches, he should have had at least five or six. Okay, you want to guess, Peter? He's done saying five or six.

23:08I'm going, can I just go under? I'm going to take under. Going under, Don, AO. Anthony, Jake, you want to just, how many, how many fumbles? The fumbles lost, of course. Under. Well, I mean, now he's on T-steam rose. Come on, show something. I'll take the, I was just, you're going to give me the over. The actual retail price is zero. This young man has never lost the fumble in three college football seasons playing at Notre Dame. Pretty good. Like, you know, he's not playing at assumption. Like he's, you know, he's playing at Notre Dame. Daniel Jones lost 12 in one game. That's it. It's not a real set. That is an insane set. More insane stats and high jinks coming up right here. And also, guys, need to remind you that speaking of all this draft talk coming up Thursday, April 23rd. It is the draft. The Jets pick second and 16th. Giants pick fifth and Rick and Dave are breaking it all down live. Join ESPN, New York's couch cast your second screen for the draft real-time reactions.

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28:19It's just it's bound to happen even by mistake. Oh, it's raining ball slippery. Somebody, you know, whatever happened it just happened. This dude doesn't lose the football. I'd say when it comes to skill sets of running backs where would never fumbling power right where would you power right never fumbles the foot and they had never. It's as high as can be like you'd probably say speed is very important but never fumbling the football might be one big. I would I could be one a because your speed is super important. Yes, but if you have the because we have to assume every running back got there for a reason like in the pros as a running back if you have a great offensive line now. Now you need a decent running back who knows how to follow blockers hit holes do the things supposed to do. Do they drop the ball or not? The only way good running backs basically lose their job is putting the ball on the ground. It's the number one reason you don't play a player. Well, that's wild. I think we could all agree that Tiki Barber was a phenomenal running backboard, a line hole of fans. Sure.

29:20But he didn't turn the corner until Tom Kaplan got here and showed him how to hold the ball because he had a fumbling prop and it's good as he was and his dynamic as he was. It didn't matter because it felt like every other game he was coughing up the ball in a big spot and causing them to gain. Turnovers are killer. Can't survive. And I think I think you'd rank it at number one. If you're telling me there's a skill set where the guy's going to be drafted to top five, then the fact that he never fumbles has got to be with the difference maker, right? Because it's all about possessions and it's almost impossible to win games if you lose the turnover battle significantly. It's 433 rushes, 62 receptions, and three kickoff returns. Only one time did the ball touch the ground and he recovered it. Unreal. If it's just the same germ I love was not in the draft like 15 years ago because to be this good and this highly touted and arguably the biggest talent like he might be

30:22because love I'm down. It sounds like is probably the most surefire player like basically a can't miss right in this draft and in in 1989 90 91 and you're the running back who's that guy your number one overall you're making all the money in the world and now it's like oh cool you're a can't miss running back. We'll get you 10 20 years old so you got you know it's very young still like there's a lot yeah and oh by the way you might like this though because you know another team that a people are are saying he could go here too is your comies now if I've heard that because you put him with jaden daniel's and now you've got a dangerous the same as dark date two to a quarterback and a running back and you don't know who's running well what's changed the game is changing too I'm still going to stand by sticking my guns on if you're not going to pay him don't draft him that high but if we are seeing it

31:23trending in a different way and if does feel like running back as being you had a bounce back it had a bounce back last year for sure and let's face a part of it guys is you really can't be a passing league if less than half the teams have a passer but if we're going to acknowledge the NFL's got a quarterback problem then why are we so much a passing league I agree you know what he's going to throw your season away if you don't have a quarterback or you're waiting for your quarterback to mature have another way to win you got to find another way you know and and you're starting to see guys like as great as Josh Allen is in Patrick Mahomes is there they're they're going to go away what's the next generation do you see the next big crop of quarterbacks like who are these guys that are about the pop like if you're you're telling me right now the best quarterback Aaron Rodgers is still the league but he's not the best anymore but you're telling me that Josh Allen Lamar Jackson yeah Patrick Holmes Drake May he got to put him in that list

32:26well I don't know yet I don't know yeah he's he he popped this year man well Jayden popped the year before that you got I think Jayden's going to I think a pop out too but you need a two or three year you know okay okay we went through the the paint mannings and the Aaron Rodgers and the Tom Brady's and we always had like five or six quarterbacks that were elite yeah it's it's it's four to six quarterbacks yeah and now we're down to four it's the four like truly elite all right truly elite truly elite we know we're four Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes Joe borough and Joe borough those are the four so you're not so so Stafford because of his age we're not going to count because I he's special Herbert Justin Herbert we don't really good but we can't put him there because we haven't seen but hold on you can though because those guys both Stafford and Herbert are good enough to make their teams good yeah they make their teams good

33:26period okay I mean Stafford has great weapons too but and a great head coach but you remove those guys those teams aren't the same okay so fine but if you want to throw Stafford in sure say six it's still six six but what happened Max so do you see right now who the next six you're going to be I mean Trevor Lawrence ever going to be an elite quarterback is is is Herbert going to be an elite quarterback that is hurts you know that is that is all that's that we know what that is you know that's hit the ceiling what what he's going to be is what he is of course he's never ever get any better so we're not all right so we're not seeing him it golf is what he is right yeah golf is what he is and it we um so maybe may can become that okay maybe Jane Daniels becomes that I think I think what is hurts though I think I think we know Jalen hurts is a really good just outside yeah he is a winner Caleb winner and he's really a quarterback Caleb is one who's

34:27growing he's a Chicago yeah he's he's in the next he could be but I guess my point is as we fast 40 years from now will we have as deep a list as we have now of really truly elite quarterbacks don't be elite in the sense of of what they're compared to in the moment but we're already seeing like I I love Josh out he's not Peyton Manning he's not Tom Brady he's not Aaron Rodgers was that the golden age of quarterbacks when you say the depth of the position was it was it the deepest like say 2008 to 2012 yeah I mean right I gotta tell you but this this group of four is is it's right there next to them oh it's right I'm talking about I'm talking about depth like when you could say but how much deeper was it than those four back then then that's I'm trying to figure out that when you go back to the Rogers Brady Manning era the next batch of other ones that were really good Rothless Burger Eli they were clearly a step down from those top three Michael Vick um these

35:31were really good players but the top ones were the top ones and there's a drop off yeah I mean again I'm just going to 2010 just all right give me 20 10 I mean Philip Rivers led in passing you are really Peyton Manning number two Jubri's number three then it's like you know remember never match shop I well of course you do Eli Carson Palmer Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady Matt Ryan like again Matt Ryan you got like those guys nice the Maddie ice was an MVP yeah nice you know nice player I just remember we would have had this conversation with Kay like how far down would you start to say there's a quarterback problem you get the like 15 like half the league had a quarterback that was very good maybe not a leap but very good all right let's see you can't you can't go 15 now but no that's why me like if I if I go again I give you Rivers Manning Breeze would you put Carson Palmer in that at that time he was one of the better quarterbacks in the league I wouldn't say that Cincinnati had a quarterback problem okay Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers one of the best players

36:33in the league back then Tom Brady we already know Matt Ryan we're going to put him there too um MacNab was was with Washington at that point so I wouldn't put him in there yeah now it's getting to see Ben Rathlisberger you know is in that on the list how many is that now six or seven then it really falls off man so it's your point though Don it's exactly why you should still in theory value the running back because if the max you can get to his let's let's go generous half the league has a quarterback oh my god the third of the league and even if it was half the other half that doesn't so the fact that you don't really prioritize running backs has been funny it seems like we're seeing you go the other direction but Don do you write that right now they're also the possibility and this is sort of in my opinion sort of a nightmare scenario that love could end up in Tennessee yeah are we gonna run this back yeah we're gonna run it back again they're gonna Derek Henry again yeah 10 years of the best running back at football just

37:39sitting in Tennessee and then go it again with a quarter up against it or I could tease this however you want I say tease it but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna outline you the giant dilemma hmm if they if they take love I like this oh yeah oh wow he just dropped the mic taking it in today's world planning ahead isn't always top of mind but not having life insurance can leave families facing difficult financial uncertainty during already emotional times in many cases loved ones are left managing expenses debts or long-term obligations without a clear plan in place life insurance is one of those ways to help provide financial security and support when it's needed most that's where ethos comes in ethos makes getting life insurance fast and easy and it's 100% online you can get a quote in seconds apply in minutes and even get same day coverage there's no medical exam you just answer a few simple health questions online and coverage options are flexible with up to $3

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40:47now all right so they draft they draft love and he's amazing and hopefully dark becomes a franchise quarterback and then neighbors because you've got a franchise quarterback and franchise running back he explodes and let's say quarter who you took what fifth overall last year turns out to be a dominant defensive player okay then that means in around the same time frame all these guys are gonna have to get paid yep who doesn't get paid it's the thing I hate the most on about the the cap system in the NFL now right barred has always told me the cap is superficial because there's always ways around it okay you can rework deal we we see teams do it all the time and again how do the Eagles do it the Eagles had a whole bunch of cooperative of course but I that's the part I hate I hate

41:51that you're penalized for drafting well because what if you have back-to-back killer drafts and all of them hit and you got to pay them all around the same time are you telling me now I got to make a decision on who I want to keep why am I being punished because I drafted well I've always thought there should be a way around it but you're right but you know what that is done that's a good problem to have for GM today great problem to have but but but but but but what general managers are thinking none of the general managers think their picks aren't going to work out true is is all right well listen if the running back is the odd man out then do I want to take him as high as fifth you know when I got to because obviously you're going to want to pay neighbors you're going to want to pay dark you're going to want to pay Carter if he turns out to be great and of all the guys that I just mentioned from a positional standpoint the least valuable technically would be the running back or I should say I should say like I guess the most replaceable and that's why you get into the dilemma that you get it you see it

42:52Alan when all of these Seattle went through with Wilson Baltimore went through with flack up you get the Super Bowl before the fifth year option it's great yeah then eventually those guys have to get paid and it comes to the expense of roster spots because you've got you've got to make room yeah now the only way around that is to then address these problems before they become free agents before they they hit their options but that's tough to do because then you got to extrapolate out is he going to stay healthy is he going to continue to play at the level so that's the that's why yeah but done that's out these positions now you're absolutely right and and it's there's no denying it but I also think that's what makes a good front office KYP not when it's time to pay them before it that's why I think with the giants did they really fumbled no pun intended with Sequan Barkley they were using the franchise tag as a way around it because they couldn't come to a number earlier right and then he got upset then the

43:53relationship was ruined but and there was no recovering from it at that point well well what happened if you remember yeah there was an amount of Jones or do I pay that's right yeah yeah you bet on the wrong guy yeah who do I franchise and who do I pay and the system dictates I got to pay my quarterback yes but you didn't know because of health and other reasons whether Daniel Jones is going to be worth it turned out he wasn't mean listen Sequan also had the health this year you know to me like that's the forget forgotten thing about Barkley yeah is that everybody looks at what he didn't fill it off he wants to super but there were there were issues there are there were issues of being able to stay healthy and the fact that they had one winning season with with Barkley so a lot of that had to do with Gettelman that drafting well in other places but these are all the things you have to think about but if here's the difference it's not Gettelman it's it's Harbour it you have trust so I think giant even even people like made were against

44:53the running back thing we'll find it easier the swallow of Harbour does it because you'll figure there's going to be a play there was no plan what the plan of Barkley was let's get another Super Bowl for Eli this year yeah you know that at least there's going to be a little bit more long-term thinking I would believe with Harbour or Harbour okay right I see right here on Fox Sports I don't hate this for my I'm looking at different mocks so a bunch of people have a Washington getting Carnell Tate at seven why receiver and I love that I I think how a state why receivers tend to be really good they do in fact we have one right now who's been really good but he's you know you guys want to have fast time goes Terri McClaurne is 31 this year that's not right so Terri McClaurne is 31 so we leak for a year I know he just got good I'm like he's one of the new good ones he was the one you kept saying he waited wait till he popped and he finally did and now here we are 31 that's still not the most outrageous thing because we never got a chance to address it Meredith's been doing the Yankees for 50 years

45:57stopping I remember I first met Meredith when she was a sideline reporter for the Sixers yeah wow and I was still a beatwriter that's in that while and then somehow all these years later look at this and how did she get your hat um inquiring minds want to know well I mean I asked for a second day what yeah what go what happened here how long she had the set oh you think I left a leave in something you think I left the hat so I think it stands a move you think that's what I did oh no forgot about that no no it was just a little favor that's all oh you asked her for a hat and then never got the hat never got the hat and then I felt weird about reaching out because she said when she said when the season's over she said well you know we'll meet up and I'll give you the hat so I was always waiting when the season ended for her to just say hey I'm in the city because I said when you're in the city let me know we'll just we'll we'll meet up get some lunch whatever and I never heard from her so I felt

47:00weird about going like can I get my hat hey hey Marrow you know you around because she travels a ton in the off season like she goes out no it's it's a hard long season of work and nonstop make sure so she vacations big time and I never know if she's around so I felt weird about doing the whole like hey gonna get my hat you know I felt weird about it and now hold me out and I'm like yeah I could have just said hey do you want to go go to the game invite her to a next game get your hat it's a double way I figured maybe she'd remember to bring the hat it's it's inside she got me back um I did I did hear in there though I felt like when I asked her that she would potentially be interested in something else if the right thing came but I have to be better it would have to somehow be better than the gig she has now and what's better than what and that's that's nothing that's time like that's she's traveling around the country maybe maybe if it was to do play by play somewhere if that's an aspiration she has yeah and probably was being respectful and not those to do that to the air but her like her and Susan are very close

48:01and what we all know what Susan has become as a broadcaster and how confident you hear her on a call I think she she knows baseball better than just about anybody else that's calling games these days I mean incredible how much you guys just the game itself but the league dude Susan Walden might be the most informed broadcaster we have I'm gonna say something I'm allowed to say that you guys aren't because you're you're both respectful and respected New Yorkers as I've learned over the last couple of weeks I'm just some shameful out of town or no one cares about okay I know Starlings a legend and and Yankee fans have a connection with him the true like serious broadcast great in that room was Susan Walden you just had to listen to the broadcaster all you gotta do is listen and by the way I still do because you realize you listen and you go she saw I like this as much as I always did you know why because Susan Walden he still give me the stuff I I'm telling you it doesn't get better and so knowing Meredith like I know her and knowing how close she is with Susan you just know like like it's it's like why I was attached

49:04to Joe Dowell Trautway could she could she it's I want to learn everything but also could she maybe want to do Susan job one I don't know I'll be interested I don't know but I can I tell you what she could do it who's seen more Yankee baseball than than Meredith oh man oh it's interesting let's say all she wants to be as a sideline reporter you could make the case that she's better off this is the best job because on a national level let's say she took a job with Fox as the sideline reporter replacing you know wrote Ken Rose in full right I think the Yankee jobs better no you know you know what you know what I would love for Meredith we gotta take a break but I don't I would love for Meredith though because I agree I wouldn't want I totally yeah keep the Yankee job I wouldn't mind the Yankee job plus doing big football though like NFL NFL sideline plus the Yankee job she could do what she could do you could picture an NFC championship game for sure now I want to tell you out I can picture is this getting some bets right with Fandall during his baseball season oh yeah and you can choose your own reward for opening week how about this bed

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